**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Sep 26 02:59:56 2011 Sep 26 06:21:19 o/ Sep 26 07:25:57 so, I want to build a package for N900/fremantle, and I don't really want to use scratchbox. Is there any other way to build binaries for fremantle then? Sep 26 07:26:37 you can build on the n900 itself if you are a masochist :P Sep 26 07:26:59 heh Sep 26 07:27:00 dangergrrl: well, it's still better than installing scratchbox :) Sep 26 07:27:40 indeed Sep 26 07:29:37 i have a 32 bit ubuntu vm for running scratchbox on this machine which mainly runs 64 bit funtoo Sep 26 07:30:36 i could maybe get it all working in funtoo but the instructions assume a .deb based 32 bit linux host Sep 26 07:31:14 yeah I'm not on debian. Sep 26 07:31:50 perhaps a better question is "why aren't you on debian?" Sep 26 07:32:22 too lazy to reinstall :) Sep 26 07:32:41 why did you install something else than debian in the first place? Sep 26 07:32:42 :O Sep 26 07:33:28 :) Sep 26 07:34:26 debian uses kernels that are two years old Sep 26 07:35:20 that's okay for stable. Sep 26 07:35:39 I don't really care for $OS kernels as we use openvz so I'm tied to .18 or .32 anyway. Sep 26 07:35:50 that's ok for a server Sep 26 07:36:02 why would one want to use stable for a desktop or laptop Sep 26 07:36:19 most new hardware needs a newer kernel than that Sep 26 07:36:57 well, openvz uses rhel kernel as a base with loads of backported patches. so not really. Sep 26 07:37:25 dangergrrl: debian testing has 3.0.something Sep 26 07:37:32 Linux localhost 2.6.38-tuxonice-r2-danger #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Sep 23 18:06:22 MDT 2011 x86_64 AMD Turion(tm) II P540 Dual-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux Sep 26 07:38:30 tuxonice still doesn't work for me, gonna build a 3.0 tuxonice next Sep 26 07:38:47 but this one has patches from gentoo-sources Sep 26 07:39:13 moo all Sep 26 07:39:48 trying to get suspend to disk working Sep 26 07:40:01 µ, RST38h Sep 26 07:40:16 mumu Sep 26 07:40:32 privet Sep 26 07:41:46 anyhow i switched to gentoo in 2009 when debian nor ubuntu supported my hardware and now run gentoo based distros on all my hardware and like that nothing works with manual configuration Sep 26 07:42:29 i also like that i can install a server package for something without it autostarting at boot unless i tell it to Sep 26 07:42:52 debian assumes you want to run any daemon you install Sep 26 07:46:35 thresh: how are things? doing anything for harmattan? =) Sep 26 07:46:37 anyhow i like the gentoo way, it is good for me, perhaps not for most people Sep 26 07:47:00 no shit, I shudder every time gentoo is mentioned Sep 26 07:47:35 i have a pulseaudio free system, hate pulse :P Sep 26 07:47:55 it has given me nothing but trouble in the past Sep 26 07:48:03 Yeah, this does qualify as a virtue Sep 26 07:48:47 With Lennart off to destroy Linux bootup procedure, PA is kinda stuck where it is Sep 26 07:49:02 compiling with custom cflags isn't really the point of gentopo, use flags are the point Sep 26 07:49:21 i also do not have systemd Sep 26 07:49:30 i have openrc Sep 26 07:50:13 RST38h: for harmattan, no; I don't have a device so do not care about it much. Sep 26 07:50:23 RST38h: I'm fine, you? Sep 26 07:50:33 thresh: Alive =) Sep 26 07:50:53 thresh: ported my stuff to both Harmattan and Android Sep 26 07:51:55 thresh: Can now badmouth Android with confidence (well, harmattan too) Sep 26 07:52:10 we all can Sep 26 07:52:43 thresh: Too bad nobody in the Android crowd will even understand what we are talking about Sep 26 07:55:14 What are you talking about? :P Sep 26 07:57:04 Talking about a 500MB download that breaks every time your Android device decides to go to sleep (which is like in about 60 seconds of inactivity) Sep 26 07:57:30 loikl Sep 26 07:57:34 lol even Sep 26 07:57:39 that is stupid Sep 26 07:57:44 And yes, it was a totally legal game, downloading its totally legal data from its own web server Sep 26 07:58:08 Obtained from Android Market. So, no torrents or anything like that. Sep 26 08:07:42 Using Harmattan, however buggy, incomplete, and aegis-ridden it is, feels like opening a window in a dusty room after Android Sep 26 08:08:06 [no, it was not meant to be a compliment to harmattan] Sep 26 08:21:53 RST38h: a torrent client would be smarter, methinks Sep 26 08:22:33 Well, they have got some concept of "services" that do not get suspended Sep 26 08:22:53 So my guess is the torrent client would use that, if there is a torrent client for android fo course Sep 26 08:26:45 i need to make the n900 last longer on wifi tether Sep 26 08:27:03 Disable IM Sep 26 08:27:20 Start by disabling Skype. Sep 26 08:27:49 that could help Sep 26 08:28:18 i have been powermisering the laptop and now it outlasts the n900 Sep 26 08:30:33 Why not tether it via USB? You get both charging *and* a good internet feed with less lag. Sep 26 08:32:59 i am poor and can not replace my usb data cable until i get paid Sep 26 08:33:37 Fair enough, check Ebay/DealExtreme though. You can get a replacement cable for $3 Sep 26 08:33:43 but it takes a week to get Sep 26 08:33:49 i have also been trying a few wifi things with my N900. i notice i can't get more than 1Mbps speed between N900 and laptop via ad-hoc. Sep 26 08:33:56 + cables suck Sep 26 08:33:56 do u have any suggestions? Sep 26 08:34:04 Where we are going, we will not need cables. Sep 26 08:34:28 Eh, having to use SSHFS instead of USB mass storage... Ouch. Sep 26 08:34:51 You get like 500K, CPU's pegged, and it eats battery by the bucket Sep 26 08:35:39 which suggests that i should be happy with my 1Mbps? Sep 26 08:36:19 i have gotten at least 2.4mbps tethering wifi to n900 Sep 26 08:36:34 via apn, or ad-hoc? Sep 26 08:36:40 ad-hoc Sep 26 08:37:01 300kbytes/s reported by miro Sep 26 08:37:48 it was a well fed torrent of course Sep 26 08:38:02 this was an scp from laptop : 100% 9712KB 105.6KB/s 01:32 Sep 26 08:38:31 oh, that uses the filesystem on the n900 too though Sep 26 08:40:14 my bittorrent speed the n900 was only routing packets Sep 26 08:41:33 * Sicelo also dislikes power consumption for ad-hoc, wonders if it's any better with an apn Sep 26 08:43:16 There is no way to use N900 for bit torrents and not waste battery =) Sep 26 08:44:14 as for me, i meant just ssh betwen laptop and N900. Sep 26 08:44:40 i usually do not Sep 26 08:44:53 my unlimited 4g data plan is only 5gb/mo Sep 26 08:45:06 i torrent mostly off wifi Sep 26 08:46:02 after the first 5gb tmobile gives me 56k dialup speeds Sep 26 10:22:15 http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201109/JobDescription.PNG Sep 26 10:37:31 Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer) Sep 26 11:22:39 and moo Sep 26 11:31:42 Sicelo: (btter with APN) definitely, at least when PSM works and is at max Sep 26 11:32:15 ah, thanks for info. i didn't want to buy apn and be disappointed :) Sep 26 11:33:13 not all APN support PSM properly Sep 26 11:33:41 alas no way to tell them apart, even a FW-update can change this Sep 26 11:34:40 my D-Link DIR615 seems to work reasonably well with PSM @ max, but it's crap in a lot of other aspects Sep 26 11:35:58 for mere APN it was OK'ish though - the stinky corners are mostly around DHCP and router functions Sep 26 11:37:02 DocScrutinizer: more like a switch with a bridge and a lable reading "router" Sep 26 11:37:48 :nod: Sep 26 11:38:18 hate it Sep 26 11:38:53 and no openWRT FW for the D3 hw rev Sep 26 11:38:55 :-/ Sep 26 11:39:19 that is the precondition for me buying a router Sep 26 11:39:40 this one been a "gift" Sep 26 11:39:54 cablecompany... Sep 26 11:40:12 ...of a friend Sep 26 11:40:46 "Joerg, what for do I need this one?" Sep 26 11:41:54 "Doro, feel happy - you don't need it at all :-)" Sep 26 11:43:03 swapped it for a HÜ scanjet that had no linux drivers Sep 26 11:43:33 * DocScrutinizer <---idiot - buys scanner without checking linux hw compatibility list Sep 26 11:44:51 are there non-networked scanners still? Sep 26 11:45:05 more than networked ones Sep 26 11:45:30 same crap as those GDI-printers Sep 26 11:46:04 the windows "driver" probably sends the control states for each of the 3 coils of each stepper motor Sep 26 11:46:30 Sounds pretty hackable Sep 26 11:47:08 I chose a better way. Sep 26 11:47:15 RST38h: well, hacking it is how linux gets all its drivers for crippled hw, no? Sep 26 11:47:24 Pick a printer that supports printing JPG from card. Sep 26 11:47:34 Print all things to the card, then pop in printer. Sep 26 11:47:35 :/ Sep 26 11:47:44 LOL Sep 26 11:48:07 In principle, there is a linux driver, but it has too many dependancies that would mean I need to swap out my system entirely, or deeply understand the driver. Sep 26 11:48:23 my HP laserjet P1505 works jusr fine though Sep 26 11:49:14 only nasty: a zombie python process lingers on for ever Sep 26 11:49:25 :-P Sep 26 11:49:28 hplip Sep 26 11:50:50 well, iirc I had to bang it quite a bit to get it to work - like changing permissions and/or groups of some devices etc Sep 26 11:51:41 (probably running permissions-relaxed would've done as well) Sep 26 11:52:59 I'm no aegis fan, but I never thought setting global permissions policy to "relaxed" is a particularly good idea either Sep 26 11:53:08 http://eatliver.com/img/2011/7775.jpg Sep 26 11:55:43 hehe Sep 26 11:58:41 though sheep or cows were more like it, rather than pigs Sep 26 12:00:26 lemmings Sep 26 12:00:43 lemmings have rather small ROI Sep 26 12:00:54 ROI? Sep 26 12:01:11 if you were ever to farm them Sep 26 12:01:36 * DocScrutinizer never heard of lemming farms Sep 26 12:01:49 ~roi Sep 26 12:01:50 methinks roi is Return On Investment, usually used to describe one's own interpretation of a pragmatic solution, or just plain hedonism. Also could mean "Rate Of Interest" in banking terms. Sep 26 12:02:21 I meant lemmings in a way of "all do the same without thinking about it" (like the cliche of lemmings is) Sep 26 12:02:22 meh Sep 26 12:02:25 also a finnish dog name Sep 26 12:02:28 ~factinfo roi Sep 26 12:02:29 roi -- created by Thrae at Tue Aug 14 02:38:46 2007 (1504 days); it has been requested 3 times, last by DocScrutinizer, 39s ago. Sep 26 12:02:36 roi that is Sep 26 12:02:37 been no banker Sep 26 12:03:27 ~wtf roi Sep 26 12:03:29 Gee... I don't know what roi means... Sep 26 12:03:36 ~dict roi Sep 26 12:03:39 could not find definition for roi Sep 26 12:03:46 wtf?! Sep 26 12:04:36 ~lart miriam webster Sep 26 12:04:36 * infobot farts in miriam webster's general direction Sep 26 12:06:43 ~lart-tmo-lemming Sep 26 12:06:43 lart-tmo-lemming is, like, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting Sep 26 13:24:54 what happened to LCUK??? Sep 26 13:25:31 He's no longer with us. Sep 26 13:25:45 wtf happened??? how can this be? Sep 26 13:26:04 He apparantly took his own life. Sep 26 13:26:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=76737 Sep 26 13:26:45 (and yes, his client is still up) Sep 26 13:26:52 oh my god, Sep 26 13:27:22 So many awesome ideas. So much energy. Sep 26 13:28:02 damn, I wonder why his client is back again, I thought freenode staff Christel took care about it Sep 26 13:34:57 I am terribly saddened by this, fuck!!!!!!!!!!!! Sep 26 13:37:35 I think its also sad Sep 26 14:36:27 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/26/verizon_wireless_backs_samsung_vs_apple_on_us_front/ <-- lol Sep 26 15:29:00 ruskie: neat Sep 26 15:29:36 Hangon - is n9-00 not something else? Sep 26 17:27:33 In April I wrote to inform you of an agreement by which Sep 26 17:27:35 Texas Instruments would purchase National Semiconductor. Sep 26 17:27:35 Today, I'm happy to report, we have closed the deal, making Sep 26 17:27:35 Texas Instruments and National one company. Sep 26 17:34:59 yeah, saw that on the mail too... Sep 26 17:35:18 astonishing they'd let such a deal through. Sep 26 17:35:36 thought probably these companies are nowhere near as large today as they where years ago... Sep 26 17:36:56 cool, there's also a maemo channel :p Sep 26 17:40:55 :P Sep 26 17:43:32 for me, #maemo was the first channel i joined Sep 26 17:44:00 I came here from meego.com Sep 26 17:44:12 it joined #meego automatically Sep 26 18:06:55 what, NS bought by TI? :-S Sep 26 18:07:06 yes, so? Sep 26 18:07:29 just don't like Sep 26 18:08:22 don't get me wrong, TI always made nice chips Sep 26 18:09:22 and also every now and then they had proper docs *available* for those Sep 26 18:09:46 just one player down isn't a good thing in this game Sep 26 18:12:31 Doc: Lots of things not to like lately. Many more to come. Sep 26 18:12:44 Anyway, I have got a more practical problem: Sep 26 18:12:55 swipe-down does not quit my application. Sep 26 18:13:18 sends it to task manager screen. the first attempt to bring it back upkills it. Sep 26 18:13:30 The app is written in plain qt. Any ideas??? Sep 26 18:25:19 RST38h: I noticed that a landscape locked app (angry birds) in portrait mode swipes left to exit Sep 26 18:31:59 HAHAHA Sep 26 18:32:47 dang, (apart from this being #maemo) that swipe-to-close thing could almost make me update to beta2 Sep 26 18:35:10 but given all the other (subjective) shortcomings of N950, I'm not exactly concerned about this annoying heaping up of open windows for each nonsense you have to momentarily mess with (settings, whatnot) Sep 26 18:35:47 makes for a nice windows6 feeling at very least Sep 26 18:36:14 :-( X-P Sep 26 18:37:41 to me it looks like they only picked the top of the pile for each bad stupid regression they implemented into maemo6, coming from a really progressive maemo5 Sep 26 18:38:38 swipe-to-close is a Meego thing? Sep 26 18:39:18 no c&p: picked from *old* iOS. No closing of windows: err win6, or andridiot? Strict signatures to lock down the whole system to store: apple Sep 26 18:40:51 slotmachine date/time-pickers: not really a regression from maemo5, only a BAD regression from MTF to QML Sep 26 18:58:07 http://www.slashgear.com/nokias-cto-swap-could-be-its-turning-point-22181856/ Sep 26 18:58:20 rearranging the deckchairs on the titanic or potentially useful? Sep 26 18:58:25 could be? Sep 26 18:59:22 not likely to change the OS direction away from meego though, is it? Sep 26 18:59:37 hmmm, that was badly phrased Sep 26 19:27:30 RST38h: I noticed that a landscape locked app (angry birds) in portrait mode swipes left to exit Sep 26 19:27:35 it's swipe down with top up Sep 26 19:27:43 meaning, with the orientation of the app Sep 26 19:27:53 so it's swipe down with the device in landscape Sep 26 19:33:42 hey MohammadAG, just wanted to say thanks for the work you are doing on the Maemo Community SSU :) Sep 26 19:34:11 you're welcome, but I'm not the only one :) Sep 26 19:35:27 :p Sep 26 19:38:17 MohammadAG: anyway yo da man to get out a stable release RSN ;-D Sep 26 19:39:53 I hate to read/hear statements like "CSSU isn't for the fainthearted" Sep 26 19:40:36 actually meanwhile CSSU should be for those who worry about lacking security patches and unfixed bugs in stock maemo Sep 26 19:41:06 and for what I can tell from my POV it indeed is Sep 26 19:45:38 the changelog has quite a number of severe bugs fixed in CSSU. E.G. the CPU hog bug on short appstarter menu in H-D, which kills your battery and you dunno why. OR the fixed diginotar cert issue Sep 26 19:46:34 and I heard of no severe new issues in recent CSSU for a few weeks now, so I think it's just about time to fork out a stable branch right now Sep 26 19:49:45 does cssu require power-kernel? Sep 26 19:50:15 * Sicelo thinks not Sep 26 19:50:40 nope Sep 26 19:51:21 ShadowJK: how could it, it's about continuation of stock maemo by community Sep 26 19:52:15 though, if there was a severe kernel bug, CSSU would probably ship with a new "stock" kernel Sep 26 19:53:01 but I think CSSU kernel enabled some missing stuff from stock maemo, right? ipv6 ie Sep 26 19:53:03 it's debatable haw much of PK would qualify for a stock-compatible kernel to ship with CSSU Sep 26 19:53:33 afaik there is no such thing like a CSSU kernel - I might be wrong Sep 26 19:54:11 IroN900:~# uname -a Sep 26 19:54:12 Linux IroN900 2.6.28-omap1 #1 PREEMPT Fri Aug 6 11:50:00 EEST 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux Sep 26 19:54:16 ^^^CSSU Sep 26 19:55:02 Hey all Sep 26 19:55:13 no Sep 26 19:55:16 how can I save my contacts to my SIM card? Sep 26 19:55:20 oh, wrong window sry Sep 26 19:56:10 not sure where I read that though, I could be wrong too :P Sep 26 19:59:11 maemo on N8 would be so nice Sep 26 19:59:20 phone itself is great Sep 26 19:59:22 implying Meego is worse? Sep 26 19:59:32 meego wouldn't be so bad as well Sep 26 19:59:52 n8 runs symbian Sc0rpius Sep 26 20:00:02 symbian is definitely worse. from a user experience perspective at least Sep 26 20:00:08 MOUD: no way Sep 26 20:00:52 acidspunk: i wouldn't be so sure about that Sep 26 20:01:17 acidspunk: maemo user experience is pretty bad Sep 26 20:01:30 unless you are very specific user type Sep 26 20:01:38 MOUD: your contacts are "rich" means they have loooong names, first name, nick, last name, addr, even photos. SIM has none of that, and max 100 contacts of name[22]:phonenr[18] or sth like that Sep 26 20:01:39 jacekowski: ok, from a nerd experience perspective Sep 26 20:01:47 exactly Sep 26 20:01:54 but even i need sometimes a phone that works Sep 26 20:01:57 oh I thought I read N9 Sep 26 20:01:58 and makes calls Sep 26 20:02:01 jacekowski: those are cheap Sep 26 20:02:08 and lasts more than 1 day on full charge Sep 26 20:02:13 you can probably find one for 30 Sep 26 20:02:31 having contacts on the SIM card is NOT a good idea Sep 26 20:02:34 then get an s40. those things last 2 weeks Sep 26 20:02:47 if you want to move your contacts from the N900 to another phone, export them Sep 26 20:02:54 it's about features you get Sep 26 20:03:04 Sc0rpius: i use MfE Sep 26 20:03:14 I wonder if Google Sync works in the N900 Sep 26 20:03:27 somebody said that it does work Sep 26 20:03:32 it would be nice to sync the contacts with Google Sep 26 20:03:41 kerio: thing is that i need MfE and whatnot Sep 26 20:04:04 jacekowski: well buy a laptop Sep 26 20:04:15 kerio: laptop doesn't fit in my pocket Sep 26 20:04:35 you have the wrong pockets then Sep 26 20:05:37 i see Sep 26 20:05:52 MOUD: if you want to edit your sim card, get a simcard-reader, plug it in to your PC, use $arbitrary-acme-simcard-editor app, maybe even use your vcards you exported from N900 to your PC and pick some strings from that abundance if contact info to transfer those to your SIM Sep 26 20:06:23 i dont have a simcard-reader Sep 26 20:06:29 but thanks for the info Sep 26 20:06:48 well I guess it all depends on what you're looking for in a phone, but symbian still has some key stuff that are simply sub-par Sep 26 20:06:56 like the crap browser Sep 26 20:07:30 well Sep 26 20:07:37 a simcard-reader can be an older phone Sep 26 20:07:39 that you don't use Sep 26 20:07:41 acidspunk: what? Sep 26 20:07:46 there might be a way to edit SIM card on N900: use the AT interface via pnatd, to edit SIM card. There's gnokii and kandy that could do that, when you patch them Sep 26 20:08:07 I'm *sure* you can edit the SIM Card through the N900 Sep 26 20:08:10 but I still think it's not a good idea Sep 26 20:08:10 acidspunk: there is opera for symbian Sep 26 20:08:22 I mean coding the program yourself of course Sep 26 20:15:22 jacekowski yeah I know. Still doesn't have flash though. Sep 26 20:16:09 MohammadAG: yes - obviously (swipe direction) Sep 26 20:17:15 hey, there's no flash for N9 either Sep 26 20:18:30 yeah... :/ Sep 26 20:18:42 and there's a flash version on maemo5/n900 that has seen 29.7 security bulletins of adobe come and go Sep 26 20:19:52 well, probably not that bad anyway, as browserd on maemo runs ooooops... as root Sep 26 20:19:53 flash will be just a memory any time now Sep 26 20:19:59 most sites default to HTML5 now Sep 26 20:20:20 flash should be killed Sep 26 20:20:29 we're all making those Adobe bastards millionaires Sep 26 20:21:00 yeah but it's still used a lot Sep 26 20:21:07 :/ Sep 26 20:21:09 it'll die Sep 26 20:21:25 when something free is better, the expensive propietary counterpart always dies Sep 26 20:21:38 and HTML5 > Flash Sep 26 20:22:53 adobe crap should be running with minimal privileges Sep 26 20:22:53 has google figured out how to delivery ads in html5 youtube yet? Sep 26 20:23:05 ShadowJK: No. Sep 26 20:23:11 ShadowJK: embed them into stream Sep 26 20:23:29 They don't want to re-encode everything. Sep 26 20:23:47 What they _want_ is Flash's appendBytes API. Sep 26 20:24:01 they don't have to reencode everything Sep 26 20:24:09 just add adds before video Sep 26 20:24:24 Also they want to serve different ads depending on where you are and who you are Sep 26 20:24:33 not a problem Sep 26 20:24:37 And how many vids you've watched. Sep 26 20:24:39 that day Sep 26 20:24:48 you just have two streams and you stitch them together Sep 26 20:24:50 And not the same ad each time you view a certain video, etc Sep 26 20:24:56 I find I almost never hit a video the first couple of things on youtube a day I watch Sep 26 20:25:14 I hit unsolvable captchas first thing every hour :P Sep 26 20:25:17 jacekowski: You can't really do that well in HTML5 as it stands today. Sep 26 20:25:24 derf: you could Sep 26 20:25:32 derf: just send video file with ads already in it Sep 26 20:25:44 Yes, that is what they are trying to avoid. Sep 26 20:26:05 what does youtube's html5 side do right now then, just doesn't play any ads, or redirects to flash site, or prevents you from watching the videos that require ads? Sep 26 20:26:05 btw wasn't mozilla developing new versions of fennec in qt? Sep 26 20:26:15 if you stich it at keyframes you won't have to do any reencoding Sep 26 20:26:25 derf: that would allow skipping the add part Sep 26 20:26:32 jacekowski: Still requires re-muxing, which is only marginally better. Sep 26 20:26:44 derf: not really Sep 26 20:26:57 acidspunk: Yes. Sep 26 20:27:02 derf: lot of container formats can even have like two streams one after another Sep 26 20:27:34 derf: are there svn builds to try? Sep 26 20:28:44 matroska has concept of "linked chapters", or something like that. Anime people used to use that feature to have single "intro" and "credits" file for an entire season. Player automagically stitches together on playback. Sep 26 20:30:23 acidspunk: svn? Mozilla uses hg. Sep 26 20:30:40 ShadowJK: Too bad there's no such thing in WebM or support in browsers. Sep 26 20:31:10 You can also make a chained Ogg file. And the only thing on earth that will actually play it is Real's Helix player. Sep 26 20:31:50 acidspunk: In any case, you can build with --enable-default-toolkit=cairo-qt Sep 26 20:32:49 tks derf Sep 26 21:54:09 how much power can the n900 port supply in host mode? Sep 26 21:54:15 (usb) Sep 26 21:54:17 200mA it was Sep 26 21:54:19 or 300mA Sep 26 21:54:22 something like that Sep 26 21:54:23 not a lot Sep 26 21:54:26 ok, thanks Sep 26 21:54:36 its a huge amount more than my neo1973 Sep 26 21:54:38 :P Sep 26 21:54:47 0mA is pretty low Sep 26 21:54:55 n8 can supply full 500mA Sep 26 22:32:18 ~ping Sep 26 22:32:19 ~pong Sep 26 22:32:26 Psi: 200 Sep 26 22:32:58 jacekowski: 500? duh! Sep 26 22:33:16 as good as Freerunner Sep 26 22:37:30 ~ping Sep 26 22:37:31 ~pong Sep 26 22:38:35 haha my provider fails with DHCP/login on 2G Sep 26 22:39:26 * DocScrutinizer51 praises statusmenu 2G/3G/dual switcher Sep 26 22:45:38 blah Sep 26 22:46:35 hey everyone Sep 26 22:46:44 blah? Sep 26 22:48:19 rmitage: hey Sep 26 22:49:32 lots of people here Sep 26 22:49:57 a few still, yeah Sep 26 22:50:12 hi DocScrutinizer Sep 26 22:50:18 benn >600 at times Sep 26 22:50:29 hi Sep 26 22:50:29 wow Sep 26 22:50:35 i'm still waiting on the n900 to arrive :D Sep 26 22:50:36 heh Sep 26 22:51:34 you bought a new one HyperSnyper? Sep 26 22:51:41 nah refurb Sep 26 22:52:19 Is it your first one? Sep 26 22:52:23 yep Sep 26 22:52:35 first "smartphone" aswell Sep 26 22:52:46 I'm not sure if congratulate you Sep 26 22:52:47 still going old school with an s40 Sep 26 22:52:48 :O Sep 26 22:53:10 if I lose my N900 today I'd wait for an N9 Sep 26 22:53:11 well the n900 is the smartest one out there :p Sep 26 22:53:31 well Sc0rpius i didn't pay alot for it Sep 26 22:53:32 MEH N9 Sep 26 22:53:32 I still think the N8 should be hacked and some genius out there put some Meego in there Sep 26 22:53:40 and nowhere near what id guess the N9 will be Sep 26 22:53:42 u mad DocScrutinizer Sep 26 22:54:03 oely? Sep 26 22:54:07 it seems the days of physical keyboards are over :( Sep 26 22:54:13 r Sep 26 22:54:17 why? Sep 26 22:54:28 hardware kb ftw Sep 26 22:54:51 nobody releases real kb in their phones anymore Sep 26 22:54:59 I'd not need or worry a hw kbd on a szstem as BS as harmattan Sep 26 22:55:07 heh Sep 26 22:55:11 you think Maemo was/is better? Sep 26 22:55:14 as in Maemo5 Sep 26 22:55:15 also, people seem to be having trouble with aegis Sep 26 22:55:28 ~aegis Sep 26 22:55:29 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif Sep 26 22:57:07 you can check the discussion about aegin on the meego.com forums Sep 26 22:57:19 *aegis Sep 26 22:58:10 DocScrutinizer51 ok tpm ? Sep 26 22:58:16 *to pm Sep 26 22:58:53 well, if you absolutely need that Sep 26 23:01:42 last state abot airodump? Sep 26 23:02:23