**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Sep 28 02:59:56 2011 Sep 28 03:02:55 heh Sep 28 05:20:14 hello Sep 28 05:35:30 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/27/apple_trademark_follies/ <-- well one positive step so far Sep 28 05:46:23 Jaffa, can you switch to iOS and kill that off for us? :P Sep 28 06:48:51 Morning Sep 28 06:49:59 Morning Sep 28 07:02:26 hmm, this may be relevant: https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego - meego's dead, tizen is the new hotness? Sep 28 07:02:48 hotness if you consider html and javascript hot Sep 28 07:02:51 welcome html5-apps-only-world :( Sep 28 07:02:51 ... Sep 28 07:02:55 flux: watching the fires burn in #tizen Sep 28 07:03:10 didn't webos already try that thing anyway? Sep 28 07:03:31 maybe tizen would've made sense if they were able to continue the webos effort Sep 28 07:06:52 wmarone: fires of #meego are fun too Sep 28 07:07:15 oh yes Sep 28 07:07:25 but this is just a fresh dousing of gasoline Sep 28 07:07:38 intel's done a bang up job at dropping the ball Sep 28 07:09:08 as have Nokia :) Sep 28 07:14:48 Sounds like someone ought to simply quit all this madness, and go back to a Maemo-clone, based on near-stock debian. create a PowerTablet and PowerPhone with the best multitasking and professional applications in the world Sep 28 07:17:05 robbiethe1st: as a Debian developer, I could only advise removing the phrase near-stock Sep 28 07:17:42 robbiethe1st: although the pkg-maemo folks recently had hildon/etc removed from Debian, since they figured maemo was abandoned Sep 28 07:17:43 :) Sep 28 07:18:25 Well, I'd /like/ stock debian, but that would be *very* unlikely. Sep 28 07:18:41 So decended from debian, like Ubuntu or Maemo would be my next choice. Sep 28 07:19:25 yeah, even the OpenMoko devices are still not supported by Debian years later, mainly due to lack of interest from the OpenMoko guys in upstreaming kernel patches Sep 28 07:20:00 Sad. Sep 28 07:20:32 * pabs3 still has hope Sep 28 07:21:22 especially since it contains the first GSM chip that bb.osmocom.org runs on Sep 28 07:48:48 Morning, all Sep 28 07:49:17 GAN900: Indeed; but at this rate you'll only be left with WinMob 7 Sep 28 08:01:04 morning Jaffa Sep 28 08:02:03 morning Sep 28 08:02:34 <_berto_> https://www.meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego Sep 28 08:03:21 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77986 Sep 28 08:15:55 anyone tried flash 10.2, is it more stable than development beta, does it use hw acceleration? Sep 28 08:18:02 Arkenoi: I thought flash 11 was the first with GLES2 accel? Sep 28 08:19:07 there is flash 10.2? Sep 28 08:19:23 ErwinJunge, 10 accelerates videos Sep 28 08:19:50 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=17921588#post17921588 Sep 28 08:20:03 Oops, I mixed it up with the new lightspark thing, see http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTkzOA Sep 28 08:26:23 http://www.engadget.com/2011/09/28/meego-to-be-folded-into-linux-based-tizen-os-slated-to-arrive-i/ Sep 28 08:27:40 I think they restart the project under a different name always when it starts to see the day of light Sep 28 08:30:26 flux: they didn't restart it, they finish it Sep 28 08:34:56 DocScrutinizer: I got the usb fixed and at the same time had the sim failure thing fixed. Phone still works, and so far (about 12 hours now) haven't had the sim go missing yet. Thanks for the info on how to fix it :) Sep 28 08:43:36 https://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2011/whats-next-meego Sep 28 08:44:52 so, basically, meego's officially dead now? Sep 28 08:45:24 it ever was alive? Sep 28 08:45:37 hence me putting "officially" in there :) Sep 28 08:46:10 heh Sep 28 08:47:27 We believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications, outside of a relatively small percentage of apps, and we are firmly convinced that our investment needs to shift toward HTML5. <-- WTF Sep 28 08:47:36 yup Sep 28 08:47:52 html5 is the way since all else went to android... Sep 28 08:47:54 lol Sep 28 08:47:54 ruskie: look like an attemp to kill open source os on mobile Sep 28 08:48:21 there's still bada Sep 28 08:48:23 bwahahaha Sep 28 08:48:23 khertan, it was ever alive? Sep 28 08:48:26 let the GTK3.2 rule Sep 28 08:48:31 ruskie: yes. THEY believe, developer do not. Sep 28 08:48:35 run gimp on browser Sep 28 08:48:47 * ruskie goes bash head against a few dozen walls Sep 28 08:48:50 how about GNOME 3 or KDE Plasma Active? Sep 28 08:49:17 "Granted, this is a judgment on our part on which reasonable people could disagree, but that's the conclusion I came to." <-- so they actually accept that they might be totaly insane Sep 28 08:49:29 sure Sep 28 08:49:52 "hey! let's fuck up everything! I like the plan, go for it!" Sep 28 08:49:56 :) Sep 28 08:50:34 hahahaha Sep 28 08:50:54 so is cssu all qt now? :) Sep 28 08:51:01 that would be nice Sep 28 08:51:42 what happened with the maemo council elections? Sep 28 08:52:08 yeah.. meego is fail with that html5 stuff Sep 28 08:52:21 i am surprised they didn't put "cloud" somewhere in there Sep 28 08:52:25 [10:46:47] run gimp on browser <== Well there is this x86 emulation in javascript... ;) Sep 28 08:52:34 you mean Tizen? Sep 28 08:52:37 i am so sick of hearing the word cloud Sep 28 08:52:46 lol meego Sep 28 08:52:53 Macer, well maybe they just didn't consider something like eyeos Sep 28 08:53:08 heh Sep 28 08:53:12 eyeos isn't too bad Sep 28 08:53:18 yeah frankly it isn't Sep 28 08:53:20 it's a nice idea Sep 28 08:53:24 yeah Sep 28 08:53:30 at least i thought it was Sep 28 08:53:33 now "we believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications". Well, it didn't take long... what's next? Sep 28 08:53:48 and wtf is a html5 based applicatioN? Sep 28 08:53:56 how long until Tizen is binned? Sep 28 08:54:00 ruskie: something in the cloud Sep 28 08:54:01 I give it 2 years. Sep 28 08:54:03 google, youtube, gmail, etc Sep 28 08:54:10 and html5 does offline storage Sep 28 08:54:27 so it stores the cloud? :) Sep 28 08:54:34 It's so funny how they constantly start new projects and then bin them Sep 28 08:54:36 makes it easier for them, they just need a browser Sep 28 08:54:59 well.. i'm sure they may need to throw a dialer in there somewhere Sep 28 08:55:00 ruskie: html5 + javascript + whatever server side software you want. Sep 28 08:55:22 Shapeshifter, so basically a webapp/servlet Sep 28 08:55:24 Macer: only on the phones Sep 28 08:55:25 yeah. Sep 28 08:55:28 well.. there is still cssu Sep 28 08:55:32 :) Sep 28 08:55:36 google wants to kill javascript anyway Sep 28 08:55:40 holding out Sep 28 08:55:43 google wants to kill everything Sep 28 08:55:45 seriously Sep 28 08:55:46 ruskie: although I guess you could run them locally. Like the widgets in KDE for example. Sep 28 08:55:48 screw google Sep 28 08:55:52 they want to be the pipe, data, everything provider Sep 28 08:56:02 as far as I care google can go the way of the dinos along with m$ Sep 28 08:56:13 Shapeshifter, still same thing... Sep 28 08:56:17 meh. google is fine Sep 28 08:56:20 a webserver on localhost:8080 is the same thing Sep 28 08:56:25 ruskie: yep Sep 28 08:56:31 so, yeah, options now are android or something bada-based :( Sep 28 08:56:35 if anything there is one thing i can say about google ... at least they centralized android Sep 28 08:56:43 doc|home: you forgot about just keeping your n900. Sep 28 08:56:45 doc|home, I'll stick to S40 devices while they exist Sep 28 08:56:54 Shapeshifter: will die eventually Sep 28 08:56:58 buy a spare Sep 28 08:56:59 and yeah... while the n900 lives Sep 28 08:57:09 ruskie: can't go from an n900 to a symbian machine :/ Sep 28 08:57:17 doc|home, s40 is sub-symbian ;) Sep 28 08:57:24 it actually works Sep 28 08:57:27 heh Sep 28 08:57:27 unlike s60 Sep 28 08:57:30 haha Sep 28 08:58:01 someone needs to make an s40 style mobile linux device Sep 28 08:58:11 for "developing" countries Sep 28 08:58:17 I wonder what those openmoko guys are doing :D Sep 28 08:58:20 * doc|home sobs Sep 28 08:58:23 ben note iirc Sep 28 08:58:27 yeah Sep 28 08:58:36 https://www.tizen.org/devices is this copy pasta from meego? Sep 28 08:58:38 ruskie, I think that's coming Sep 28 08:58:39 ruskie, motorola did iirc Sep 28 08:58:40 I still have a freerunner I've no use for, waste of time Sep 28 08:58:50 honestly. an open os on a phone was unrealistic anyways Sep 28 08:59:09 Macer, yeah due to legal limitations of tampering with the airways Sep 28 08:59:18 Macer, why? (if you screw US operator-dominated market as non-relevant) Sep 28 08:59:22 among other things Sep 28 08:59:29 Arkenoi, they did? which one? Sep 28 08:59:41 money Sep 28 09:00:13 open os on a phone does not have a guarenteed yield Sep 28 09:00:20 macer: if you just do handsets and your business is handsets, not "service", you can Sep 28 09:00:34 actually nokia could if they understood this point more clearly Sep 28 09:00:52 with a microsoft ceo what should be expected? :/ Sep 28 09:01:02 android only gives the facade of being an open os Sep 28 09:01:07 Arkenoi, you mean motorola rokr em30? limo based? Sep 28 09:01:51 night Sep 28 09:02:08 doc|home: no business would ever chase after a truly open os on a phone Sep 28 09:02:42 Macer: there's no reason they couldn't other than the GSM legislation Sep 28 09:02:52 the decentralization and lack of control will always cause it to unwind Sep 28 09:03:20 oh. i am sure they can do it.... but they wont Sep 28 09:03:29 * doc|home sleeps Sep 28 09:03:51 you will never see the phone counterpart to a linux base to make distros with Sep 28 09:04:08 it will never happen Sep 28 09:04:08 I think to get to a properly open phone device you would need to start with non-phone devices Sep 28 09:04:31 which would be near impossible as well Sep 28 09:04:41 unless you make your own Sep 28 09:04:58 open on mobile devices is dragon chasing Sep 28 09:05:06 sorry to say it Sep 28 09:05:11 doc|home, ok, i agree to have closed GSM firmware (though i believe manufacturers may bypass it, like chinese guys do) Sep 28 09:05:20 Media devices(portable and normal), Gaming devices(portable and normal) then once you are racking the money in based on those you start building the base for mobile devices Sep 28 09:05:22 cssu is probably the only thing even close Sep 28 09:05:38 Macer, MeeGo CE Sep 28 09:05:39 You just certify the thing and then specs on internal programming "accidentally" leak out Sep 28 09:05:50 and you are hardly liable Sep 28 09:05:56 mece: only functional thing Sep 28 09:06:07 so GSM consortium may just fsck off Sep 28 09:06:14 I'm out. tata. Sep 28 09:08:11 maybe even specific devices like ben note, ebook readers would help as well... make a security model that doesn't screw the consumer but still provides some semblance of DRM like functionality for publishers Sep 28 09:12:49 and get industrial designers and marketing departments working on it... along with getting ties to media producers Sep 28 09:37:11 is anyone else having problems reading wikipedia with microb? the first two columns are on top of each other for me Sep 28 09:43:42 wtf, tizen? Sep 28 09:43:51 yet another "toolkit" as base? Sep 28 09:44:25 :/ Sep 28 09:45:44 * merlin1991 wonders what that will mean for meego ce and the community obs Sep 28 09:50:54 khertan, they may not restart it, but when it went from maemo to meego, everything was rewritten in Qt. and not it seems that meego->tizen means everything will be rewritten with html5. Sep 28 09:51:05 (not->now) Sep 28 09:52:08 Actually most of harmattan is sitll in MTF, not Qt or QMl Sep 28 10:02:34 flux: it s not a restart, it s just an attempt to kill open source os on mobile Sep 28 10:35:01 what happened with the maemo council elections? Sep 28 10:39:55 ~seen freemangordon_ Sep 28 10:40:00 freemangordon_ <~freemango@82.137.72.35> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 20d 17h 13m 46s ago, saying: 'Did I understand correctly that you are not using latest CSSU'. Sep 28 10:40:06 ~seen freemangordon__ Sep 28 10:40:07 freemangordon__ <55bb2605@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.187.38.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 10d 1h 51m 35s ago, saying: 'simple captcha for registration would do the job'. Sep 28 10:40:13 ~seen freemangordon Sep 28 10:40:13 freemangordon <55bb2605@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.187.38.5> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 20d 17h 42m 47s ago, saying: 'damn, my English gets worse and worse every day.'. Sep 28 10:40:18 ~seen freemangordon___ Sep 28 10:40:18 freemangordon___ <5cf71062@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.247.16.98> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 2h 55m 7s ago, saying: '~seen Pali'. Sep 28 10:41:07 it's a pity that infobot doesn't work as asnwering machine, forwardin message, when it sees recipent ;) Sep 28 10:41:42 oh, it doesn't? Sep 28 10:42:22 ~+help onjoin Sep 28 10:42:22 Desc: get/set OnJoin message (needs chan option +OnJoin) Sep 28 10:42:22 Usage: onjoin [#chan|_default] [-] [message] Sep 28 10:42:23 Example: onjoin infobot Hey! It's another infobot! Sep 28 10:42:55 DocScrutinizer: moo Sep 28 11:34:46 Today, the Linux Foundation and LiMo* announced Tizen(TM), an open-source, standards-based software platform for multiple device categories, including smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, netbooks and in-vehicle infotainment systems. Sep 28 11:34:46 Tizen builds upon MeeGo* and LiMo and will deliver an application framework built upon HTML5/WAC 2.0 standards to help developers reuse and extend their code across multiple OS's, app stores, and devices. Sep 28 11:58:36 bwahahaha, another bait & switch BS promise to "help developers reuse and extend their code across multiple OS'" Sep 28 12:00:00 damn, IF you'd follow their path, you had a complete bin and rewrite from scratch for the 5th or so time in the last 2 years, to keep your apps reusable and cross-platform Sep 28 12:01:28 DocScrutinizer it juts arrived Sep 28 12:01:35 no USB cable though.... Sep 28 12:03:56 that's pretty bad - a USB-AM<->micro-BM cable is mandatory, as is a genuine nokia fastcharger, and I'd also be not too happy when the AV cable was missing as it'S hard to get and expensive Sep 28 12:06:15 Hi Sep 28 12:07:55 got everything apart from the "USB-AM<->micro-BM" Sep 28 12:07:56 :/ Sep 28 12:11:07 * Sicelo thinks u can use same cable as most other phones. eg, samsung. or am i mistaken? Sep 28 12:14:59 hmh, so the n9 is announced but it's barely available anywhere? Sep 28 12:21:33 hi everyone Sep 28 12:25:55 This device uses a different GPU (which handles the camera) to the N8, and it isn't as good. <-- is this true???? the GPU handles the camera? Sep 28 12:26:46 on the n900? Sep 28 12:29:27 acidspunk, in general Sep 28 12:29:36 though this is a comment on the N9 on elreg Sep 28 12:30:03 on the n900 I think it's the dsp Sep 28 12:46:29 ruskie: It's not really Sep 28 12:46:54 ruskie: There is a seperate very limited core which does processing of the camera stream Sep 28 12:47:25 The reason the N8 camera si better is basically that the camera module is simply better. Sep 28 12:47:38 The processing has almost nothing to do with it. Sep 28 12:48:08 whats the best way to transfer music/video files to internall storage without USb cable people ? Sep 28 12:48:15 winscp ? install an ftp server ? Sep 28 12:48:22 ^ n900 Sep 28 12:48:40 I use rsync Sep 28 12:48:45 and sometimes sftp Sep 28 12:49:01 HyperSnyper: you can get those relatively cheap on ebay, google for CA-101 to get a genuine one, or pick any arbitrary cable. Anyway get such a cable, YOU'LL NEED IT! Sep 28 12:49:04 scp is the main way I trasnfer things Sep 28 12:49:16 have orderd already DocScrutinizer Sep 28 12:49:19 but 3 days eta Sep 28 12:49:20 :P Sep 28 12:49:21 :-) Sep 28 12:49:39 also any vital apps ? Sep 28 12:49:47 done rootsh / and 3g/2g siwtcher so far Sep 28 12:50:07 load applet, a must-have in my book Sep 28 12:50:57 also is there a way to search the app manager ? Sep 28 12:51:06 yes, just type Sep 28 12:51:12 heh Sep 28 12:51:13 thxs Sep 28 12:51:19 yw Sep 28 12:51:31 Load applet is awesome. Sep 28 12:52:03 also everytime i got app manager main screen it checks for update.. Sep 28 12:52:05 bit annoying Sep 28 12:52:29 openssh client+server Sep 28 12:52:33 it's not exactly the best you could get, but suffices to tell when shit happens on your device Sep 28 12:53:14 HyperSnyper: (check fro updates) yeah some bug in HAM introduced with PR1.3 probably Sep 28 12:53:52 nobody bothered to look into it more deeply (except javispedro once) Sep 28 12:54:03 so it's not getting fixed :-/ Sep 28 12:54:07 xchat, recorder, firefox, khweetur, opera, wifieye Sep 28 12:54:15 speaking of camera and dsp did anyone ever figure how to get rid of the stutter while filming Sep 28 12:54:32 none here Sep 28 12:54:34 ever Sep 28 12:54:34 Someone mentioned earlier that locking the CPU to 600MHz worked for them Sep 28 12:54:39 DocScrutinizer: video? Sep 28 12:54:45 I don't get smooth video Sep 28 12:54:54 it's got a prett low framerate hasn't it ? Sep 28 12:54:58 prob dropping frames Sep 28 12:55:07 yes, frame dropping. Sep 28 12:55:10 yeah Sep 28 12:55:25 hmm, I did quite few videos, so I'll shut up Sep 28 12:55:27 Oh - and 'radio' - not fmradio Sep 28 12:55:32 SpeedEvil is firefox of any use really ? Sep 28 12:55:40 thought internal browser was built of FF Sep 28 12:55:41 ? Sep 28 12:55:58 HyperSnyper: tweakr!!! Sep 28 12:56:03 HyperSnyper: firefox and opera are not any better (and in some ways worse than) mucrob Sep 28 12:56:26 But, every browser has issues with some sites, and having alternatives is good. Sep 28 12:56:31 also any things that save alota power i should disable/enable ? Sep 28 12:56:32 to get custom profiles, and whatnot else Sep 28 12:56:37 Also - opera has opera turbo, and configurable loading of images Sep 28 12:56:40 already got the 2g/3g dual Sep 28 12:56:51 This can greatly reduce data use Sep 28 12:56:55 opera turbo is nice Sep 28 12:57:10 use it on my s40 nokia Sep 28 12:57:11 hahaha Sep 28 12:57:18 fbreader Sep 28 12:57:28 yeah fbreader is amazing Sep 28 12:57:32 timed Sep 28 12:57:46 THE cron alternative Sep 28 12:57:55 nice Sep 28 12:57:57 cron <3 Sep 28 12:58:07 no cron on maemo Sep 28 12:58:07 xarchiver for zip and rar files Sep 28 12:58:14 did alot fun stuff on the dreambox with cron and bash scripts Sep 28 12:59:01 C FM Radio or FM Radio Player ? Sep 28 12:59:12 you'll want to add a symlink from /opt/foo/bar/timed.py (or whatever it's called) to /usr/bin Sep 28 12:59:26 moo javispedro Sep 28 12:59:51 I would be crazy not to be here the day everything goes down the toilet =) Sep 28 12:59:55 javispedro: say helo to tizon Sep 28 13:00:03 ;-P Sep 28 13:00:03 DocScrutinizer, I've been here already for a while. Sep 28 13:00:07 ooh Sep 28 13:00:15 hi nevertheless :-) Sep 28 13:00:25 also i rememer reading few days ago about enabling FM transmitter on all frequencies Sep 28 13:00:26 what's happening today? Sep 28 13:00:28 is that a simple app Sep 28 13:00:32 or takes more editing Sep 28 13:01:14 that's jacekowski's domain Sep 28 13:02:06 * acidspunk is going to have lunch Sep 28 13:02:16 he offers a pkg to replace the stock drivers with something that relieves some limitations afaik Sep 28 13:03:07 HyperSnyper: I might toss over a list of all pkgs I got installed, if you're interested Sep 28 13:03:21 deff would be Sep 28 13:03:22 :) Sep 28 13:04:26 it's way too long to be useful (dpkg -l) Sep 28 13:04:56 as it has all the stock stuff as well Sep 28 13:05:15 you might be able to do a diff to yours ;-) Sep 28 13:05:24 what i was just thinking Sep 28 13:05:25 :P Sep 28 13:05:29 which should reduce it to a few 100 lines Sep 28 13:05:38 got an excel file with filterin macro's i use fo rwork Sep 28 13:06:34 just installed openssh server+client Sep 28 13:06:38 asking for new root pass... Sep 28 13:07:35 HyperSnyper: here you are http://pastebin.com/2HVqR73x Sep 28 13:07:47 thxs DocScrutinizer, much appreciated Sep 28 13:08:46 maybe something even better for you: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 28 13:09:10 and my apt-get log from there (moment please) Sep 28 13:09:57 u suggest i install that backup app now and do backup, before going further ? Sep 28 13:11:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 28 13:11:32 get backupmenu and do a backup now (and every now and then) - YES Sep 28 13:11:52 http://pastebin.com/0AwYz9Mg Sep 28 13:12:12 ^^ my installed-apps.sh Sep 28 13:12:29 thxs Sep 28 13:12:33 the apt-get log I implemented in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Sep 28 13:12:56 doesn't contain all the apps installed via HAM Sep 28 13:13:26 backupmenu not in the app manager ? Sep 28 13:14:03 and has some installs meant to fix things I (or CSSU ;-D) broke, so I don't recommend to run that list of stuff indiscriminately Sep 28 13:14:19 heh Sep 28 13:14:22 backupmenu is in HAM Sep 28 13:18:38 is it ok to install stuff diect from maemo.org ? Sep 28 13:18:42 or that not advised Sep 28 13:26:09 u mean .debs? Sep 28 13:28:22 e.g > http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/load-applet/ Sep 28 13:28:26 has an install abutton Sep 28 13:29:11 that's fine Sep 28 13:29:34 HAM takes care of that :) Sep 28 13:30:54 yup Sep 28 13:31:18 for "normal clean" pkgs also an apt-get install is fine Sep 28 13:31:33 a tad hard to tell what's a normal pkg Sep 28 13:31:50 e.g powerkernel isn't, i2ctools isn't Sep 28 13:31:58 CSSU isn't Sep 28 13:32:19 all those also won't install cleanly from this thing, errr... fapman Sep 28 13:33:07 aaah starhash-eanbler isn't, as well ;-P Sep 28 13:33:58 HyperSnyper: and you probably want to get *#-ena :-D Sep 28 13:34:59 (h-e-n for sure isn't a "clean" pkg, for installation via fapman ;-D) Sep 28 13:35:32 hmm got an issue Sep 28 13:35:33 :/ Sep 28 13:35:36 can't get root Sep 28 13:35:39 unknown pass Sep 28 13:35:43 it's a bit concerning that almost all pkgs I did or contributed aren't "clean" :-P Sep 28 13:35:55 use cmd "root" Sep 28 13:36:02 sudo doesn't work Sep 28 13:36:14 neither does su Sep 28 13:36:42 root == su - Sep 28 13:36:52 sudo gainroot == su Sep 28 13:36:53 thxs Sep 28 13:37:16 yw Sep 28 13:38:09 of course you also could use ssh root@localhost Sep 28 13:38:37 but it's a bit awkward, compared to "root" ;-) Sep 28 13:39:19 aah, and NEVER do apt-get autoremove! Sep 28 13:39:38 nearly killed my deb server doing bad things with that before Sep 28 14:19:13 #tizen Sep 28 14:19:19 #j #tizen Sep 28 14:19:58 does the n900 mediaplayer not play albums in right order ? Sep 28 14:20:16 seems to be sorting alphabetically by artist Sep 28 14:33:45 so meego is gone Sep 28 14:33:57 but the community will continue de work ? Sep 28 14:34:12 de work? Sep 28 14:34:17 german translations? Sep 28 14:34:56 the work * Sep 28 14:34:59 i gather i should not buy an n9? Sep 28 14:35:22 Pauly2: this has almost nothing to do with that. Sep 28 14:35:22 wait for samsung device Sep 28 14:35:47 It is unlikely this will change any of nokias plans for the n9 Sep 28 14:35:55 nokia left meego _ages_ ago. Sep 28 14:36:09 This latest announcement is utterly irrelevant to it Sep 28 14:36:30 yes , n9 was not really a meego device Sep 28 14:37:28 ah whatever lol Sep 28 14:37:33 but is the n9 hack friendly , i mean like n900 that in some way you could experiment installing other OS , etc Sep 28 14:38:25 didn't they lock the bootloader? Sep 28 14:39:05 not sure , that is what i want know Sep 28 14:39:21 e0x: No. Sep 28 14:39:38 e0x: At least at the moment, it's looking not. Sep 28 14:39:53 ok Sep 28 14:39:58 Wait at least a week or three till n9s actually hit users hands, and we can see what the released software is. Sep 28 14:40:31 now with my n900 broken i feel empty and lost Sep 28 14:40:32 yous excited about html5 :) Sep 28 14:40:40 i need a new smartphone Sep 28 14:40:46 e0x: Where are you in the world? Sep 28 14:40:47 that let me "play" with it Sep 28 14:40:50 im getting my n900 back in mail Sep 28 14:40:53 SpeedEvil: dominican republic Sep 28 14:41:05 nother question where should i make a folder so it would show in root dir on tm600 file manager Sep 28 14:41:14 *heh Sep 28 14:41:16 n9 allows - in the default config - a hell of a lot less play. Sep 28 14:41:17 *n900 Sep 28 14:41:19 even Sep 28 14:41:31 How things will evolve over the next few weeks is another question. Sep 28 14:41:39 yes Sep 28 14:41:58 let see what hapen Sep 28 14:42:01 happen* Sep 28 14:42:09 ill have my n900 that i sold back in 3-6 weeks from st lucia Sep 28 14:42:33 HyperSnyper: ~user/MyDocs/ Sep 28 14:42:43 i get a old nokia 5230 meanwhile Sep 28 14:42:50 thxs again DocScrutinizer Sep 28 14:42:54 i have an n8 Sep 28 14:43:32 too expence if i hope buy another phone i could not buy a n8 or something like that Sep 28 14:43:39 HyperSnyper: keep in mind this is a VFAT fs, no execution of binaries, no permissions Sep 28 14:43:55 just for roms and video at mo Sep 28 14:43:57