**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Sep 29 02:59:56 2011
Sep 29 03:07:17 <Sazpaimon_> there must be some sort of exploit on the forum
Sep 29 03:07:30 <Sazpaimon_> how are spambots getting to register accounts
Sep 29 03:07:36 <Sazpaimon_> there's 3 different forms of identification
Sep 29 03:15:12 <zeroproximity1> has anyone installed maemo on hp touchpad
Sep 29 04:20:07 <CableTwitch> Yar!
Sep 29 04:20:35 <CableTwitch> Damnit, who was I talking to the other day?
Sep 29 04:21:54 <CableTwitch> It matters not, I guess. I think I managed to solve the screen locking issues on the N900, with a bit of luck. In case anyone is interested. 
Sep 29 06:41:48 <mece> meltemi outed by wall street journal today.
Sep 29 08:53:24 <ruskie> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/09/29/playbook_price_cuts_stock/
Sep 29 08:56:49 <ruskie> Speaking at the International High-Tech Patent Litigation Conference <-- you're joking... there is a conference for that????
Sep 29 08:58:19 <pabs3> lol
Sep 29 08:58:33 <pabs3> so they are to blame for the patent armageddon
Sep 29 09:04:36 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Sep 29 09:09:39 <kerio> µ
Sep 29 09:22:46 <amiconn> n
Sep 29 09:47:13 <Corsac> arf meltimi
Sep 29 09:47:22 <Corsac> meltemi
Sep 29 10:29:40 <rd> I created a directory ~/MyDocs/Navit/Icons with lots of icons in it. Now the photo app displays them all. Can I exclude a directory in MyDocs from the search path for the photo app?
Sep 29 10:33:54 <rmrfchik> nokia develops new linux based OS for phones. insane.
Sep 29 10:34:11 <rmrfchik> according to wall street journal
Sep 29 10:34:17 <CableTwitch> Whee, I think I sorted my screen-lock woes.
Sep 29 10:35:10 <CableTwitch> Dodgey slider switch. Due to the tiny size, I can't tell if the solder joints were fatigues, or the body of the switch was loose. Either way, it's sorted.
Sep 29 10:36:03 <CableTwitch> Fatigued, even.
Sep 29 10:36:26 <maybeArgh> rmrfchik: this has to be the best troll ever
Sep 29 10:37:19 <rmrfchik> i just can't believe
Sep 29 10:38:26 <rmrfchik> the only thing why it can be technically argued -- this OS is for low end phones. but I believe meege had ability to run on it
Sep 29 10:38:56 <rmrfchik> anyway, elop does know how to spend money
Sep 29 10:51:13 <khertan> rmrfchik: in fact in know how to spend money ... by giving it to MS
Sep 29 10:51:20 <khertan> s/in/he
Sep 29 10:55:01 * CableTwitch detects an anti-MS diatribe in the making...
Sep 29 10:56:46 <rmrfchik> khertan: and develop 3 linux os in a row
Sep 29 10:56:57 <rmrfchik> moar OSes, MOAR!
Sep 29 11:09:42 <khertan> CableTwitch: oh ... no there isn't ... they really spent money for windows phone licence
Sep 29 11:10:07 <khertan> Tizen SDK : http://t.co/mSaUhuCm
Sep 29 11:10:32 <CableTwitch> Well, could be worse. They could keep using symbian.
Sep 29 11:11:14 <RST38h> Symbian is not that bad
Sep 29 11:13:16 <CableTwitch> Yes, but then there are a lot of thing that could be dire, yet still 'not that bad' compared to other things. Doesn't stop them being dire though :O)
Sep 29 11:13:43 <CableTwitch> The E70 I had would have been awesome, if it hadn't used S60
Sep 29 11:14:25 <RST38h> The E70 was fine
Sep 29 11:14:52 <RST38h> As much as everyone appears to hate Symbian, it is the most advanced, most ergonomic mobile phone platform out there
Sep 29 11:15:10 <RST38h> You can operate a symbian phone with one hand, and it mostly still remains a PHONE
Sep 29 11:15:28 <CableTwitch> Oh, the E70 was a great form factor. Just wish the OS had been less braindead.
Sep 29 11:15:28 <RST38h> It has got real multitasking
Sep 29 11:15:58 <CableTwitch> Yes, very handy, except it had sod all RAM
Sep 29 11:16:00 <khertan> (i'm not sure it s a real multitacking)
Sep 29 11:16:01 <RST38h> Well they have not updated E70 firmware in eternity, but this is not the same for every S60 phone. Some get updated regularly, like the same 5800 for example
Sep 29 11:16:09 <CableTwitch> Kinda kneecapped the multitasking a fair bit.
Sep 29 11:16:18 <RST38h> khertan: Symbian has got *real* multitasking.
Sep 29 11:16:27 <RST38h> khertan: I developed for it, I know.
Sep 29 11:16:48 <khertan> it s not Cooperative ?
Sep 29 11:17:55 <CableTwitch> Symbian might have worked a lot better with the N900 spec, but alas, at the time it was stupidly expensive to make.
Sep 29 13:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> woohoo cooperative multitasking, haven't heard that term since win3.11 times
Sep 29 13:29:06 <e0x> DocScrutinizer: lol
Sep 29 13:31:06 <RST38h> Doc: WHERE?
Sep 29 13:31:26 <DocScrutinizer> win2?
Sep 29 13:31:30 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Sep 29 13:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> I'm pretty sure win95 already had preemptive
Sep 29 13:32:46 <rmrfchik> it had
Sep 29 13:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> not sure about win3.11 though
Sep 29 13:34:34 <jaska> it could pre-empt atleast two dos command.com sessions
Sep 29 13:35:17 <jaska> on a 386+
Sep 29 13:35:28 <jaska> dunno if 3.11 ran below that.. 3.1 did
Sep 29 13:44:09 <edheldil> jaska:  simula 67 has cooperative multitasking
Sep 29 13:57:43 * Jaffa wonders what happened to Ilmatar, $JWIND, Karburan & Lodos...
Sep 29 13:58:28 <RST38h> Jaffa: they sunk?
Sep 29 13:58:43 <Jaffa> RST38h: Blown away would be the appropriate pun, I guess
Sep 29 13:58:52 <RST38h> Oh well
Sep 29 13:59:02 <dm8tbr> Jaffa: or caught by calm
Sep 29 14:10:14 <thessy> hi, on my n900 i can not use voip to call normal telephone numbers
Sep 29 14:11:31 <thessy> sip account is registered, but under advanced settings there is no option "Use for telephone numbers"
Sep 29 14:11:59 <thessy> any hints to solve that?
Sep 29 14:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> reinstall the bits apt-get autoremove killed for you - moment please...
Sep 29 14:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip
Sep 29 14:21:03 <thessy> DocScrutinizer: yeah, apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support solved it. Thanx!
Sep 29 14:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Sep 29 14:21:32 <DocScrutinizer> glad to help
Sep 29 14:22:50 <DocScrutinizer> out of interest: you did a apt-get autoremove, or are using CSSU (which does same crap), or no idea how you managed to nuke those bits?
Sep 29 14:24:31 <DocScrutinizer> s/out of interest/for the statistics/.
Sep 29 14:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> thessy: ^^^
Sep 29 14:24:56 <thessy> using cssu
Sep 29 14:25:17 <thessy> i can't remember to 'apt-get autoremove' ;-)
Sep 29 14:26:37 <DocScrutinizer> cssu is known to resurrect that friggin bug with every new rev release
Sep 29 14:28:17 <thessy> ok, good to know
Sep 29 14:28:31 <pauly2> Meow!
Sep 29 15:32:01 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: well, iOS-like multitasking *does* help with battery life
Sep 29 15:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> given you got apps that don't behave (needs devels that don't have a clue) then yes
Sep 29 15:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> it's like "don't give them proper tools, they don't know how to use them and will just break stuff when they use them"
Sep 29 15:37:29 <DocScrutinizer> alas a spreading notion among system architects and product designers at large
Sep 29 15:38:48 <DocScrutinizer> "don't allow developers to use a proper preemptive multitasking, they will just abuse it to rape CPU for no good reason"
Sep 29 15:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> not may way to approach development - neither with my system architect hat on, nor when I have to do development on $RANDOM_PLATFORM
Sep 29 15:41:11 <DocScrutinizer> there have to be better ways than neutering the better half of OS functionality, to force-teach devels how to do it right
Sep 29 15:42:45 <DocScrutinizer> for apps not behaving there are e.g. quotas, since decades
Sep 29 15:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> if the spinning-idle app gets nuked after 3..5min, due to exceeding CPU quota, the devel either may start to think what's wrong with his app, or will have to read the warning about "do not request quota extension if you can't explain why your app needs to rape CPU and battery"
Sep 29 15:47:20 <DocScrutinizer> simply locking those advanced capabilities (like multitasking) is a method I don't even consider adequate for 4-yo childs
Sep 29 15:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> children*
Sep 29 15:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> as nobody will learn from never touching stuff that is considered "problematic"
Sep 29 15:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> and you're pissing those who actually *know* what they're doing and would want to make good purpose of such capabilities
Sep 29 15:52:03 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's no 4 weeks ago when I suggested to augment the usleep() to kill -SIGSTOP any app that is calling this function from same programcounter addr with same parameters for more than N (20) times in timewindow t (5s)
Sep 29 15:53:29 <DocScrutinizer> there are plenty of ways to deal with poorly talented developers - restricting the toolset is not one of the smart ones
Sep 29 15:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> it's like not handing out forks and knifes in a restaurant as possibly some child or idiot might not know how to use them
Sep 29 16:25:08 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: a specialized tool that calculates battery-consumption accounts for each process (by taking into account the number of resumes from a lower C state caused by that process, plus the time it keeps the system active, plus the power used for CPU cycles and peripheral activity like WLAN / GPRS xfers, screen refreshes, whatnot else) would be a way better method to "help with battery life" - make that a daemon that always keeps track and 
Sep 29 16:25:10 <DocScrutinizer> hollers when some process misbehaves despite not on the whitelist, and you for sure got a better system design that with not allowing *any* multitasking
Sep 29 16:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> than with*
Sep 29 16:26:49 <kerio> yeah, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU GET FANCY ICONS
Sep 29 16:30:19 <crashanddie> actually, the idea of checking what app keeps the CPU busy is pretty lame
Sep 29 16:30:55 <kerio> no sir, you are lame
Sep 29 16:30:57 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and how would you make sure no rogue app is abusing the indicator LED via mce activate PatternSMS?  errr sorry wrong chan
Sep 29 16:31:24 <crashanddie> as I could have an app that keeps a long-term handle on the CPU while talking to the low-power DSP, use less than the 1s python script that hits the CPU full blast and forces it to go full speed and dual core...
Sep 29 16:31:52 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: ????
Sep 29 16:31:59 <crashanddie> nevermind
Sep 29 16:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> plus the power used for CPU cycles
Sep 29 16:32:07 <crashanddie> it's been a long day, i'm probably completely off topic
Sep 29 16:35:47 <DocScrutinizer> I'd happily admit I forgot one or another detail in my above concept draft, but handles on CPU is not one of them
Sep 29 16:38:18 <DocScrutinizer> as long as scheduler allocated a timeslice of CPU runtime to a process and that process isn't sleeping but actually running, the CPU power consumption is on that process' account (you can estimate the power consumption sufficiently precise from CPU clock freq at that moment)
Sep 29 16:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> s/moment/during that period/ (ok)
Sep 29 16:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> I could even imagine to augment system guts and htop so it shows a col "CPU mAh" next to "TIME+"
Sep 29 16:48:15 <ruskie> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Nokia-Meltemi-plus-Tizen-update/ <-- erm
Sep 29 16:48:49 <Venemo> so, why doesn't nokia join tizen instead of doing their meltemi crap?
Sep 29 16:49:25 <ruskie> Venemo, because they don't control it?
Sep 29 16:49:52 <Venemo> ruskie, they could have. with meego. they're damn idiots.
Sep 29 16:50:53 <ruskie> Venemo, they should have just stuck with maemo
Sep 29 16:51:09 <ruskie> Venemo, I think that might be part of the reason... they aren't the sole controllers of it
Sep 29 16:51:50 <Venemo> well then, why are they dropping harmattan?
Sep 29 16:52:12 <Venemo> harmattan is maemo, and meltemi could build on harmattan... but nooooooo, they're reinventing the wheel again.
Sep 29 16:52:16 <RST38h> Gentlemen, I suggest you stop asking illogical questions
Sep 29 16:52:27 <Venemo> RST38h, what would be the logical question to ask?
Sep 29 16:52:43 <RST38h> Venemo: "What platform am I going to use next?"
Sep 29 16:53:16 <RST38h> All these "why they..." have got a simple, opaque answer - "because of the internal politics"
Sep 29 16:53:38 <Venemo> RST38h, I don't see any platforms even worth considering. WP7 seems to be remotely fun, but by the time I got bored of Harmattan, even that will not be the case.
Sep 29 16:53:44 <RST38h> So, concentrate on more practical stuff =)
Sep 29 16:55:24 <Venemo> hehe
Sep 29 16:55:28 <Venemo> that's what I'll do
Sep 29 16:55:42 <ruskie> maybe meltemi will be my next platform to use
Sep 29 16:55:50 <ruskie> depends on the devices
Sep 29 17:02:43 <DocScrutinizer> maemo5-CSSU FTW and FTF (future)
Sep 29 17:03:09 <RST38h> I thought you hated it?
Sep 29 17:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> me? hated? CSSU? nah!!
Sep 29 17:09:41 <DocScrutinizer> I've been quite a bit of pissed when I learned the 8(?) update would make everything rotate on random even more than the version I've been on at that time, and I updated to "recent" when there emerged a gconf key to set up m-h-d aka cssu-HD to a mostly standard (non-auto-portaitmode'ing) behaviour again 
Sep 29 17:11:47 * ruskie hasn't updated CSSU in quite a few months
Sep 29 17:11:56 <ruskie> hell haven't updated the system in quite a few months in general
Sep 29 17:12:17 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Sep 29 17:12:32 <DocScrutinizer> >>things (not only) for CSSU<<
Sep 29 17:16:47 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: seems I edited my tools page to adopt my switching to PR1.3+CSSU at 2011-03-09  ->http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=User:Joerg_rw/tools&diff=42564&oldid=41926
Sep 29 17:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> so why would I hate CSSU?
Sep 29 17:18:24 <RST38h> mghm
Sep 29 17:30:51 <doc|home> http://www.slashgear.com/meltemi-tipped-as-nokias-new-open-source-os-ambition-29183898/
Sep 29 17:31:01 <doc|home> arse-elbow situation going on at nokia
Sep 29 17:31:09 <dzho> haha, yeah
Sep 29 17:31:40 <dzho> what is this, like the 4th open source OS stab things for them?
Sep 29 17:31:42 <doc|home> "According to arch-insider Eldar Murtazin, Meltemi will use a subset of Nokia’s original Maemo team, with the OS itself using the same UI. However the underlying kernel will be different."
Sep 29 17:31:50 <doc|home> that's what? a couple of hours work!?
Sep 29 17:31:53 <dzho> Maemo, Meego, Symbian and now this?
Sep 29 17:34:58 <doc|home> damn it samsung
Sep 29 17:35:33 <doc|home> if I was buying another phone Samsung's at the top of the list up to now, but now they're paying microsoft's patent protection racket fee
Sep 29 17:36:37 <ShadowJK> bora, chinook, diablo, e ??, fremantle, g ??, harmattan, i ?? j?? k?? l ??, meltemi
Sep 29 17:36:44 <doc|home> haha
Sep 29 18:12:01 <ohookins> x29a: i saw you were asking about long double in the chat logs a couple of months ago, did you resolve that problem with fabsl?
Sep 29 18:28:41 <angelox|laptop> Hey Guys!
Sep 29 18:29:37 <angelox|laptop> i want to make the vibrator work from the x terminal,some way of doing that?
Sep 29 18:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> angelox|laptop: see phonecontrol wiki
Sep 29 18:39:41 <DocScrutinizer> angelox|laptop: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Start_vibrating
Sep 29 18:42:41 <smhar> what version of python does the maemo support?
Sep 29 18:43:05 <DocScrutinizer> 2.5 afaik
Sep 29 18:43:16 <DocScrutinizer> might be wrong
Sep 29 18:43:24 <baraujo> DocScrutinizer, smhar it is 2.5 indeed
Sep 29 18:44:30 <angelox|laptop> DocScrutinizer: i'll see,thank you
Sep 29 18:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> angelox|laptop: there's allegedly also some dbus msg to directly control strength and duration of vibra, but it never woked for me
Sep 29 18:46:15 <angelox|laptop> i wanna leave it powered on
Sep 29 18:46:29 <angelox|laptop> i need down all the battery
Sep 29 18:46:38 * angelox|laptop doesn't know the correct work to that phrase
Sep 29 18:46:55 <DocScrutinizer> insane, but hey, just stop mce and use /sys/*/*vibra*/brightness
Sep 29 18:47:27 <angelox|laptop> i've about 22 appps running + wifi + bluetooth + radio transmitter and the baterry still at 50% :)
Sep 29 18:47:40 <angelox|laptop> i see...
Sep 29 18:47:50 <DocScrutinizer> meh, forget the 22 apps, won't help
Sep 29 18:48:04 <angelox|laptop> won't ? :(
Sep 29 18:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> ramp up brightness of screen all the way, and playback a video. meanwhile upload stuff via 2G. If you wanna go fancy, enable vboost and plug some USB fan or mugwarmer to the N900 USB
Sep 29 18:50:16 <DocScrutinizer> one shell with "while true; do :; done" is as good (or better) as 22 random apps
Sep 29 18:50:29 <angelox|laptop> :)
Sep 29 18:50:48 <angelox|laptop> it did down to 35%~ now
Sep 29 18:50:53 <DocScrutinizer> but video playbeck is even better still
Sep 29 18:51:09 <angelox|laptop> forgot to say,listening audio + GPS..
Sep 29 18:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> radio TX is completely useless
Sep 29 18:51:30 <DocScrutinizer> bluetooth mostly
Sep 29 18:51:44 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, loud audio helps a lot
Sep 29 18:51:46 <angelox|laptop> sure? 
Sep 29 18:52:26 <angelox|laptop> i didn't know,thought radio tx would eat a lot of battery
Sep 29 18:52:35 <DocScrutinizer> no
Sep 29 18:52:41 <DocScrutinizer> virtually nothing
Sep 29 18:52:50 <DocScrutinizer> fntx that is
Sep 29 18:52:56 <DocScrutinizer> FMTX
Sep 29 18:53:10 <DocScrutinizer> GSM eats most
Sep 29 18:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> so uploading data via GSM/GPRS will pretty much max out your battery consumption
Sep 29 18:54:03 <angelox|laptop> hmm i see
Sep 29 18:54:06 <angelox|laptop> but i'd pay
Sep 29 18:54:12 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Sep 29 18:54:18 <DocScrutinizer> the downside
Sep 29 18:54:19 <angelox|laptop> and in Brazil...
Sep 29 18:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> so do a phonecall to a free number, and make sure you have loud music in background so GSM voice always has some content to send
Sep 29 18:55:25 <DocScrutinizer> is as good as sending data via GPRS
Sep 29 18:56:25 <Sicelo> or use ad-hoc wifi :P
Sep 29 18:57:13 <angelox|laptop> :)
Sep 29 18:57:30 <angelox|laptop> there's some way to check device's temperature(or at least,of the battery)?
Sep 29 18:57:53 <DocScrutinizer> the modem is power hog #1, rank 2 screen backlight and CPU/GPU, then possibly WLAN (100mW no PSM, active) / flashlight / vibrator / vboost al 
Sep 29 18:58:17 <DocScrutinizer> battery temperature can NOT be checked really
Sep 29 18:59:05 <DocScrutinizer> also you don't really care about battery temp that you can read out, I'd rather suggest to remove back cover to give bat some fresh air ;-)
Sep 29 18:59:31 <angelox|laptop> of course,it's very hot now :)
Sep 29 19:00:01 <DocScrutinizer> that's not from battery getting hot, but from device heating it
Sep 29 19:00:29 <angelox|laptop> ah ok
Sep 29 19:00:34 <Sicelo> may i ask the purpose for this angelox|laptop? :)
Sep 29 19:00:44 <DocScrutinizer> lol, yeah
Sep 29 19:00:52 <doc|home> DocScrutinizer: which uses more, 3.5g data or wifi?
Sep 29 19:00:58 <angelox|laptop> Sicelo: i'll bring it to the techinical center again
Sep 29 19:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> 3.5 clearly
Sep 29 19:01:21 <doc|home> hmmm
Sep 29 19:01:32 <doc|home> never seemed that way to me *shrug*
Sep 29 19:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> well, depends - in *some* situation 3G can be even more economic than WLAN
Sep 29 19:02:19 <dangergrrl> running transmission will chew battery :)
Sep 29 19:03:04 <DocScrutinizer> not if you're sitting 50m from BTS and TX gets ramped down to 10mW TX power
Sep 29 19:04:20 <DocScrutinizer> it's the BTS that decides about it, like "please speak louder, can't hear you" or "don't shout, can hear you clearly, you're scaring the kids"
Sep 29 19:04:25 <dangergrrl> transmission besides using bandwidth also tends to page fault a lot
Sep 29 19:04:50 <RST38h> probably mmap()s files it transers
Sep 29 19:05:07 <dangergrrl> probably wear out your flash too :)
Sep 29 19:05:20 <DocScrutinizer> fud
Sep 29 19:05:26 <RST38h> nah
Sep 29 19:06:04 <DocScrutinizer> the network socket doesn't access mmap'd files
Sep 29 19:06:11 <RST38h> it is not rewriting stuff over and over, just maps the whole destination file to memory and starts writing it
Sep 29 19:06:29 <DocScrutinizer> WHO is doing that?
Sep 29 19:06:50 <RST38h> transmission
Sep 29 19:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> no such process on my system
Sep 29 19:07:20 <RST38h> then do not worry about it
Sep 29 19:07:26 <DocScrutinizer> pfff
Sep 29 19:07:36 <nox-> thats a torrent client right?
Sep 29 19:07:42 <dangergrrl> i don't think so, transmission on this laptop seeding a 6.36 GiB torrent is using little
Sep 29 19:07:56 <dangergrrl> no idea why it trashes the n900 so badly
Sep 29 19:08:12 <dangergrrl>  7985 ariana    20   0  375m  19m  14m S    0  0.3   0:01.09 transmission-gt    
Sep 29 19:08:16 <DocScrutinizer> ooo man! transmission is an app??
Sep 29 19:08:17 <nox-> torrent writes in random order in sparse(?) files...
Sep 29 19:08:21 <RST38h> many sockets open, a lot of traffic
Sep 29 19:08:30 <dangergrrl> 19m resident
Sep 29 19:08:31 <RST38h> Yes, Doc. Didn't you know?
Sep 29 19:08:39 <dangergrrl> it is a bittorrent client
Sep 29 19:08:40 <DocScrutinizer> nah how should I?
Sep 29 19:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict transmission
Sep 29 19:08:51 <RST38h> Doc: It is kinda well known...
Sep 29 19:08:53 <infobot> Dictionary 'transmission' (1 of 7): the fraction of radiant energy that passes through a substance .
Sep 29 19:09:07 <dangergrrl> guess you don't pirate using the n900 :)
Sep 29 19:09:18 <DocScrutinizer> pff again
Sep 29 19:09:37 <dangergrrl> aria2c runs on the n900 too and seems less to eat the machine
Sep 29 19:09:52 * RST38h goes off to add a file selection dialog to an android a
Sep 29 19:10:15 <dangergrrl> google finds no 64gb magenta n9's for sale anywhere
Sep 29 19:10:47 <dangergrrl> all kinds of people offering to sell the 16gb ones they don't have
Sep 29 19:10:48 <DocScrutinizer> seems they want to start with the 16GB variant
Sep 29 19:10:50 <RST38h> dangergrrl: Don't be shy, just say PINK.
Sep 29 19:10:59 <dangergrrl> PINKJ
Sep 29 19:11:03 <dangergrrl> like my hair!
Sep 29 19:11:22 <dangergrrl> and my motorcycle helmet
Sep 29 19:11:52 <dangergrrl> at any rate i doubt i will have one anytime soon
Sep 29 19:12:03 <DocScrutinizer> is that legal? won't it cause accidents?
Sep 29 19:12:15 <dangergrrl> looks like the 64gb ones will cost about a months pay for me
Sep 29 19:12:31 <ohookins> this is not really a maemo-specific question, but could anybody tell me how i can get dh_quilt_patch to only apply a patch for a certain architecture?
Sep 29 19:12:39 <ohookins> (obviously for arm)
Sep 29 19:12:48 <dangergrrl> actually the pink helmet increases visibility which increases my safety imo
Sep 29 19:12:59 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
Sep 29 19:15:32 <Gadgetoid> What on earth is going on with Meego?
Sep 29 19:15:45 <hiemanshu> the same thing that happened to Maemo
Sep 29 19:16:10 <Gadgetoid> Gurgle, is all I have to say to that!
Sep 29 19:20:11 <DocScrutinizer> just stay here with us and have a pleasant time ;-D
Sep 29 19:20:39 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: you are gonna entertain him? :P
Sep 29 19:20:59 <Gadgetoid> I want Maemo back, and I want my N810 to stop running out of battery
Sep 29 19:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> maemo always been there
Sep 29 19:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> and even gets better with each single day
Sep 29 19:22:22 <DocScrutinizer> sth you can't say about meego or whatever else is the buzzword of the week
Sep 29 19:22:30 <Gadgetoid> SSU isn't on ye olde hardware though
Sep 29 19:22:45 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Sep 29 19:22:47 * ShadowJK needs a new battery for his N810 too
Sep 29 19:24:00 <Gadgetoid> DocScrutinizer: am I wrong in thinking the N810 no longer gets OS updates of any sort?
Sep 29 19:24:22 <DocScrutinizer> I heard there's a CSSU effort for diablo as well
Sep 29 19:24:34 <Gadgetoid> I gave up with the N900, the latest SSU wants me to reflash again, and I can't be fecked to whittle down some more space in root
Sep 29 19:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> and actually I got some updates a few weeks ago iirc
Sep 29 19:24:49 <Gadgetoid> Hmm, inteeeresting
Sep 29 19:26:08 <DocScrutinizer> latest Cssu?
Sep 29 19:26:43 <Gadgetoid> Aye
Sep 29 19:28:29 * DocScrutinizer shrugs - missing free space isn't CSSU's fault, and same advices like for even 1.2 update apply
Sep 29 19:30:04 <DocScrutinizer> I had no problems to update CSSU "ota" (without flashing), and I skipped quite a number of releases
Sep 29 19:34:53 <Gadgetoid> I'm a hardcore optifier, though, tis weird… I symlink the shit out of things
Sep 29 19:37:07 <Gadgetoid> Ach, well, I'll fix it sooner or later
Sep 29 19:40:34 <DocScrutinizer> you could try to temporarily move away this friggin >20MB locales file
Sep 29 19:41:05 <DocScrutinizer> I actually wonder why it needs to sit in rootfs anyway
Sep 29 19:43:35 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23911920 2010-02-19 11:58 /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
Sep 29 19:43:37 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# df -h /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive
Sep 29 19:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Sep 29 19:43:40 <DocScrutinizer> ubi0:rootfs           228M  170M   54M  76% /
Sep 29 19:44:02 <hiemanshu> DocScrutinizer: du not df
Sep 29 19:44:03 <hiemanshu> for dirs
Sep 29 19:44:22 <hiemanshu> du -chs
Sep 29 19:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> but when I want df, what then?
Sep 29 19:44:34 <hiemanshu> df for paritions
Sep 29 19:44:37 <hiemanshu> du for dirs
Sep 29 19:44:39 <ohookins> it is probably common libc locale catalogs
Sep 29 19:44:48 <ohookins> anything that links against libc could potentially use them
Sep 29 19:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> hiemanshu: does that result of df look any wrong to you?
Sep 29 19:45:32 <hiemanshu> df -h /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive, I was thinking you wanted to know how much that dir is using
Sep 29 19:45:38 <DocScrutinizer> plus it shows where /usr/lib/locale/locale-archive really lives
Sep 29 19:46:50 <DocScrutinizer> that's not a dir, that's a file
Sep 29 19:47:13 <hiemanshu> ah
Sep 29 19:47:17 <hiemanshu> then ls -lh :P
Sep 29 19:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> to do what?
Sep 29 19:47:34 <hiemanshu> nvm
Sep 29 19:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> the command above does exactly what I want it to do, and I can't thik of any shorter way to do all that
Sep 29 19:49:17 <DocScrutinizer> it shows the free/used of my /, lists the file I suggested to move away temporarily, and proves this file actually lives on root
Sep 29 19:51:37 <DocScrutinizer> compare:
Sep 29 19:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26M 2010-02-06 03:54 /home/opt/maemo/usr/lib/wireshark/libwireshark.so.0.0.1
Sep 29 19:51:43 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# df -h /home/opt/maemo/usr/lib/wireshark/libwireshark.so.0.0.1
Sep 29 19:51:45 <DocScrutinizer> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Sep 29 19:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk0p2        2,0G  723M  1,2G  38% /home
Sep 29 19:56:40 <DocScrutinizer> bad example
Sep 29 19:56:58 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# df -h /var/run/bme.pid
Sep 29 19:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> Dateisystem           Size  Used Avail Use% Eingehängt auf
Sep 29 19:57:01 <DocScrutinizer> tmpfs                 256K  100K  156K  40% /var/run
Sep 29 20:22:46 <Soder> uhh..youtube liger nere
Sep 29 20:23:36 <SpeedEvil> 502s here too
Sep 29 20:23:43 <ShadowJK> Service unavailable
Sep 29 20:23:51 <ShadowJK> Actually it asked me captcha first, that worked
Sep 29 20:37:36 <Macer> hm. haven't heard from my buddy today
Sep 29 20:37:46 <Macer> maybe he had a problem with the n900 soldering. :) ah well.
Sep 29 20:37:59 <Macer> i guess i can just wait and buy a used one from ebay
Sep 29 20:38:05 <Macer> for $400 :/
Sep 29 20:38:17 <Macer> or get a battery charger.. but that would totally suck
Sep 29 20:38:52 <jiero> Ubuntu Mono - the typeface Released. http://i.imgur.com/RineS.png  
Sep 29 20:39:09 <jiero>  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/09/ubuntu-monospace-font-released/
Sep 29 21:08:30 <blackthorne> Hi
Sep 29 21:08:46 <blackthorne> I want to install Pwnie Express, the security pen test for N900
Sep 29 21:09:33 <blackthorne> Do you know how can I install it side by side (dual boot) with Maemo 5?
Sep 29 21:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> you'll probably need uBoot in NAND (maemo) kernel and your system (incl your kernel) installed to uSD (or eMMC)
Sep 29 21:52:41 <ZogG> haha just read that nokia gonna make new operation system
Sep 29 21:52:59 <ZogG> Meltemi
Sep 29 21:54:56 <DocScrutinizer51> meltme
Sep 29 21:56:31 <rd> dpkg-buildpackage wants my gpg passphrase every time for a build. Has anybody a setup with gpg-agent? 
Sep 29 22:02:47 <HyperSnyper> DocScrutinizer51, is > Enable extras-devel > Install "backupmenu"
Sep 29 22:02:53 <HyperSnyper> best way to install it on n900 ?
Sep 29 22:03:07 <HyperSnyper> or anyone else thats about ;P
Sep 29 22:03:29 <DocScrutinizer51> nah, it's ok. or simply use apt-get
Sep 29 22:04:07 <HyperSnyper> should that repo be disabled after yeh ?
Sep 29 22:04:26 <DocScrutinizer51> I don't usually disable it
Sep 29 22:05:02 <HyperSnyper> k thxs again
Sep 29 22:05:04 * HyperSnyper hides
Sep 29 22:05:09 <DocScrutinizer51> but that depends on your particular selection of apps and your feelings abot 'bleeding edge' sw
Sep 29 22:05:33 <HyperSnyper> was looking at bleeding edge earlier
Sep 29 22:05:44 <HyperSnyper> but thought i should get backups done before going further
Sep 29 22:06:01 <DocScrutinizer51> why do you hide? Is anybody going to beat you when you enable extras-devel?
Sep 29 22:06:40 <HyperSnyper> probably end up hurting myself somehow :D
Sep 29 22:07:05 <DocScrutinizer51> well, probably its a good idea to disable it after insatlling backupmenu, when you only enabled it for BM
Sep 29 22:07:28 <HyperSnyper> still finiding my way at mo
Sep 29 22:07:29 <HyperSnyper> heh
Sep 29 22:08:08 <DocScrutinizer51> then do a backup (it also backups the catalog list), do a backup with stock backup app as well
Sep 29 22:08:48 <DocScrutinizer51> (both store the catalog lsit as well)
Sep 29 22:09:00 <HyperSnyper> not got microsd at mo, so should i copy backups to other storage ?
Sep 29 22:09:15 <HyperSnyper> does flashing wipe all internall storage ?
Sep 29 22:09:21 <DocScrutinizer51> then probably you want to re-enable x-devel
Sep 29 22:09:34 <DocScrutinizer51> and check for all the cute stuff there
Sep 29 22:09:47 <DocScrutinizer51> HyperSnyper: flashing both does
Sep 29 22:10:09 <DocScrutinizer51> flashing COMBINED pretty much not
Sep 29 22:10:23 <DocScrutinizer51> see 
Sep 29 22:10:31 <DocScrutinizer51> ~flash
Sep 29 22:10:31 <infobot> rumour has it, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Sep 29 22:11:13 <DocScrutinizer51> it has a rather extensive explanation 
Sep 29 22:11:28 <HyperSnyper> nother reason i was hidding, i keep using you as google replacement, ur just so much quicker ;P
Sep 29 22:12:42 <HyperSnyper> got another, any warnings on using backupmenu ?
Sep 29 22:12:50 <HyperSnyper> like don't remove/plugin charger while it working
Sep 29 22:12:55 <HyperSnyper> or close keyboard
Sep 29 22:12:56 <HyperSnyper> etc
Sep 29 22:12:58 <HyperSnyper> ?
Sep 29 22:13:21 <rd> I just built current svn of navit for the n900 (manually entering gpg passcodes....)
Sep 29 22:15:08 <HyperSnyper> sounds interesting...
Sep 29 22:15:30 <DocScrutinizer51> (google replacement) also much nicer and smarter ;-P and much more enjoying it than google does
Sep 29 22:15:40 <HyperSnyper> hahah
Sep 29 22:17:35 <DocScrutinizer51> Warnings: none
Sep 29 22:18:12 <HyperSnyper> easier then smoking
Sep 29 22:18:13 <HyperSnyper> :D
Sep 29 22:18:54 <DocScrutinizer51> just the shell won't work with stock kernel
Sep 29 22:19:13 <HyperSnyper> ?
Sep 29 22:19:21 <HyperSnyper> hmm so needs powrer kernel ?
Sep 29 22:30:19 <DocScrutinizer51> only for the shell
Sep 30 01:00:55 <HyperSnyper> does Joikuspot still have an issue with custom kernel ? needing to do > "modprobe JoikuSpot_Bouncer", before starting ?
Sep 30 02:04:46 <balrog-k1n> hey, does Mappero really save the tracks when it says "Track saved."?  i can't find any of the tracks it saved anywhere in the filesystem
Sep 30 02:05:07 <balrog-k1n> it looks like they should be in ~/MyDocs, but there's no new files there :/
Sep 30 02:05:39 * balrog-k1n would hate to have to recreate all the tracks by revisiting the palces
Sep 30 02:08:25 <balrog-k1n> although if i select a different directory in the save dialog, a new file does appear
Sep 30 02:08:34 <balrog-k1n> only not in the main directory
Sep 30 02:08:50 <Macer> going to get a synology disk station
Sep 30 02:09:41 <balrog-k1n> i really hope it didn't just send them to the bitbucket
Sep 30 02:11:25 <SpeedEvil> new log + strace?
Sep 30 02:12:02 <balrog-k1n> if i save another file under the same name as a previous track it doesn't complain, still says "Track Saved", so it might be it never wrote the file ;/
Sep 30 02:14:47 * balrog-k1n tries strace
Sep 30 02:15:31 <balrog-k1n> oh no strace installed
Sep 30 02:15:57 <balrog-k1n> this would be about the third time i've lost hours of work due to maemo mapper bugs :/
Sep 30 02:16:23 <SpeedEvil> I like the gps tracker widget - just works for me
Sep 30 02:16:51 <balrog-k1n> i'll try that, thanks
Sep 30 02:16:55 <balrog-k1n> can it insert marks?
Sep 30 02:17:17 <SpeedEvil> no
Sep 30 02:17:32 <SpeedEvil> i use photos to do marks
Sep 30 02:19:31 <balrog-k1n> i did my latest mapping on buses so there wasn't enough time to notice something interesting and snap a picture of it before we left it behind :p
Sep 30 02:21:17 <SpeedEvil> ah
Sep 30 02:26:00 <mr_jrt> Just out of curiosity...what advantage does Joikuspot have over Mobile Hotspot?
Sep 30 02:34:46 <HyperSnyper> trying to get bleeding edge applet loaded > installed power kernel > installed applet set location and dled drivers > but on loading i get "ifconfig SIOCGIFFLAGS: No such device"
Sep 30 02:34:52 <HyperSnyper> any ideas ?
Sep 30 02:42:49 <HyperSnyper> hmm seems the one i've installed is from extras"42" and too old
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