**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 02 02:59:57 2011 Oct 02 05:21:09 what phones have people been able to hack to install maemo Oct 02 05:21:44 none Oct 02 05:29:36 zeroproximity1: not legal Oct 02 05:59:18 so.. with hp firing this fool they just hired... Oct 02 05:59:37 are they bringing back their mobile division? Oct 02 05:59:51 maybe the tp has a future? Oct 02 06:49:38 I just wanted to share with you this wonderful piece of software: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/msid Oct 02 06:59:50 any news on the N9 front? Oct 02 07:00:08 I need help after upgrading the monav Oct 02 07:23:13 how to install maemo-pan? it needs a depedency which is not available in the testing stable repositories in free and non free sections Oct 02 07:30:56 is there something like msid that's not maemo specific? Oct 02 07:42:41 is the maemo repo getting hammered or something Oct 02 07:42:50 apt is stuck on waiting for headers Oct 02 08:06:34 hmm...since streaming video to vlc for example is possible with gst-launch, can it also add the microphone audio to the video stream? Oct 02 08:07:05 I'd like a audio+video stream from the phone, wondering if I can get both at the same time Oct 02 08:11:57 this gives some hope... http://web.media.mit.edu/~lifton/snippets/n800_to_sl/ Oct 02 08:16:39 the picture is very poor quality but here's what I'm building... a junk bot with n900 as its brain :) so that's why I'd prefer a simple audio+video stream from it so I can drive it places and talk to people with espeak, heh: http://joga.daug.net/r1.jpg Oct 02 08:17:19 :) Oct 02 08:17:52 I've gotten mencoder to stream video Oct 02 08:18:04 Wit the right setup, audio should work too Oct 02 08:18:19 (insides: http://joga.daug.net/r3.jpg ) Oct 02 08:18:58 SpeedEvil, I'm sure it's possible...just need to find the right commands to use :) Oct 02 08:19:22 mplayer of course has no hadware accel Oct 02 08:19:34 Ideally you'd want to use the hardware accel Oct 02 08:20:33 I could live with maybe 320x240 resolution for video, as long as there's no big latency. I tried just the vlc video stream bit (with phonestream application) and it seemed to work alright, maybe 0.5-1.5 second lag Oct 02 08:21:04 of course would be nice to have it much lower but it's not that critical right now, this is just for demonstration purposes ;) Oct 02 08:25:50 SpeedEvil, how did you do the stream with mencoder? Oct 02 08:26:12 It was a long time ago Oct 02 08:26:14 how does the receiver watch the video? Oct 02 08:26:47 Frome memory something quite simple like mencoder tv:// |netcat Oct 02 08:26:58 and mplayer on the other end of the pipe Oct 02 08:27:00 heh, figured :) Oct 02 08:27:23 well, I better look for some more info on how to combine audio and video...good to know that too Oct 02 08:43:08 I have something that requires libxml++2.6 >= 2.6.31 Oct 02 08:43:15 but maemo only supplies 2.6.20 Oct 02 08:43:33 26 actualy Oct 02 08:44:38 Well, either A, compile the new version and submit it to the repo(and or get the current maintainer to do it), or include the needed bits of that library with your package Oct 02 08:46:13 I can try to backport a more recent libxml++ to the repo, sure Oct 02 08:57:08 yeah I dont think that will work, there are too many gnome dependencies on it, that'll probably break things Oct 02 09:01:32 kindle fire looks promissing Oct 02 09:06:39 time for my lil silly question Oct 02 09:06:57 i was reading "kernel-bfs" package details Oct 02 09:07:10 and it says "This package provides a flashable kernel image" Oct 02 09:07:36 how does it differ from the normal stock kernel which we can also flash using the flasher tool from the pc Oct 02 09:07:37 ? Oct 02 10:03:03 Hi there, my n900 got bricked during a "apt-get dist-upgrade" at "Removing hildon-initscripts..." when it decided to hard reboot Oct 02 10:03:27 no when i hard boot, it loads the nokia splash screen and then hard shutdown Oct 02 10:03:46 first time i got bricked after multiple dist-upgrade Oct 02 10:04:02 ~flashing Oct 02 10:04:03 somebody said maemo-flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 02 10:04:19 In short - dist-upgrade is broken Oct 02 10:07:28 you gotta love those `help me find the key for my locked N900' people posting on that same thread qwerty12 started ages ago with self help and users whom have a brain back then. The posts these days coming out of that same old thread is showing evidently more brainless users Oct 02 10:08:52 how can i fix my bricked-n900 now ? any maemo /nokia procedures to unbrick ? Oct 02 10:09:16 yeah reflash as SpeedEvil indicated just then Oct 02 10:09:52 hatake_kakashi: any link to the flashing method indicated by hatake_kakashi ? Oct 02 10:10:03 massoud, read what infobot said? Oct 02 10:10:19 evidently the first thing SpeedEvil said that moment was a bot trigger Oct 02 10:12:54 massoud, fyi I have uninvited PM blocked by default :) Oct 02 10:13:04 It's not a PM Oct 02 10:13:10 Oh Oct 02 10:13:11 nvm Oct 02 10:13:33 SpeedEvil, you said you have rev 2101 N900 don't you? Oct 02 10:14:01 yes Oct 02 10:14:09 Well - I don't remember if I did, but I do Oct 02 10:15:20 just wondering, if you connect your N900 (rev 2101) to the wall charger (and wall charger is obviously powered on), do you get notification banner of device saying it is charging and it is not charging when you wiggle the cable up and down? Oct 02 10:16:58 My USB port has fallen off, so no. Oct 02 10:17:08 crap :/ thanks Oct 02 10:17:25 If the USB port is functional, and the cable is functional, wiggling should have no impact. Oct 02 10:17:53 the N900 I picked up today is showing signs of that and I've got a bad feeling that the microUSB port might fall out soon Oct 02 10:18:06 Check for debris in the connector with a bright light and a magnifying glass Oct 02 10:18:20 Does it do the same with the PC port? Oct 02 10:18:38 Do you own a soldering iron? Oct 02 10:18:44 yeah that's what I suspect :| my two other N900 (rev 2204) doesn't show that, well one is getting old and I've seen it showing that a few times Oct 02 10:19:39 I haven't tried connecting to PC yet, I guess I should try that now, and no I don't have a proper soldering iron. I do have access to a soldering iron but its not useful for soldering fine components (its a flathead based soldering iron if that makes any sense). Oct 02 10:20:22 SpeedEvil: what rev do you advice flashing for the debricking/flashing w/ your method ? Oct 02 10:20:34 massoud: rev? Oct 02 10:20:47 20.2010.36-2 Oct 02 10:20:51 PR1.3 :p Oct 02 10:20:59 1.3, yes Oct 02 10:21:28 hatake_kakashi: It's possible for the charger plug to be dodgy too Oct 02 10:25:00 SpeedEvil, I almost had a positive signs of that but with a fully charged N900 to test against, it doesn't show any sign of charger plug to be faulty. There's another funny sign with this newly acquired N900 with it showing it was fully charged, once momentarily unplugged from the charger and plugged back in it says its charging, hmm Oct 02 10:25:29 Unless you have the green light, it's not fully charged Oct 02 10:25:52 It takes at least a couple of hours on the wallcharger, or 4 or so on PC, to fully charge all teh way Oct 02 10:26:41 I did have the green light :) but as soon as I put pressure on the cable near the microUSB head that's connected to the N900 the green light goes off and once pressure is released it says its charging on the screen Oct 02 10:26:57 hi Oct 02 10:26:57 What if you don't move the cable Oct 02 10:27:06 Jsut the USB connector Oct 02 10:27:18 the cable may also be faulty - try wiggling it while holding USB stable Oct 02 10:27:52 no effect Oct 02 10:28:20 :/ Oct 02 10:28:36 ~usbfix Oct 02 10:28:36 hmm... usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Oct 02 10:28:38 What kernel are you using, if I may ask? Oct 02 10:28:52 stock maemo kernel Oct 02 10:28:59 Ok, so likely not that. Oct 02 10:29:02 that's for the one that's having USB problems Oct 02 10:29:37 Try wiping it and reinstalling; can't hurt. If that doesn't fix it, then see if you can't find someone who can re-solder it... /before/ it breaks Oct 02 10:29:59 I'm suspecting its a two part problem, one could be the microUSB port and the other could be with either high load or cheap battery in use (chinese clone) Oct 02 10:30:00 Cause it should be just a matter of tapping each of the pins with a hot iron and re-flowing the existing solder. Oct 02 10:30:37 Battery /could/, I suppose, but I haven't seen it. Oct 02 10:30:47 The battery should not have any impact on wiggling the port Oct 02 10:30:53 No, not on that Oct 02 10:32:31 no not saying the battery is the issue (and I just checked the battery on the back of that N900, its genuine) with USB. It just seems that even for a brief second that the N900 was disconnected from the charger (when it wasn't to be honest) and then it was connected, it goes into charging state again, on the other two, they don't have this sort of problem Oct 02 10:34:06 Just to be sure before I do it: to restore completely the N900 I do have to flash first the PR-1.3 image, and then the EMMC image; isn't it? Oct 02 10:34:17 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter Oct 02 10:34:24 See the script at the bottom for more info Oct 02 10:34:45 repr, you should only need to flash the PR-1.3 image. No need for the eMMC one Oct 02 10:35:21 ...And you should actually do the EMMC one /first/, just to prevent screw-ups(if you reboot the device after flashing pr-1.3 and before eMMC, it will break) Oct 02 10:35:35 (and need you to flash the PR-1.3 image again) Oct 02 10:36:01 well, I'd like to wipe everything robbiethe1st Oct 02 10:36:04 thanks SpeedEvil will try that momentarily, still testing to see if the wall charger plug is faulty (microUSB end) Oct 02 10:36:16 In that case, flash eMMC, then PR-1.3 Oct 02 10:36:27 ok, so first EMMC, and then the rootfs Oct 02 10:36:38 thank you :) Oct 02 10:38:09 SpeedEvil, funny that, when I swap the charger from my other N900 with the one that has suspected microUSB problems, neither of the two devices show that they have the issue when I push on the microUSB head hard. When I swapped over the one that was having problems with it shows up the same issue yet again Oct 02 10:38:35 hmm Oct 02 10:39:08 robbiethe1st, heh I'm not particularly good with soldering and I don't really have the proper tool (apart from access to a flathead based soldering iron) Oct 02 10:39:13 interesting, device rebooted Oct 02 10:40:06 hatake_kakashi, I personally would go on the forums and ask and see if anyone would be willing to do it for you if you shipped it to them and, say, paid them $20 Oct 02 10:40:20 ...Because once it breaks, it's a *lot* harder to fix. Oct 02 10:42:30 robbiethe1st, bah that's gonna be awkward, was thinking of sourcing an electrician locally instead and watching him as he do it Oct 02 10:43:02 That's an option, but perhaps find a phone-repair place? Oct 02 10:43:04 Electrician will not usually have the skills - you want someone familiar with board-level repair of PCBs Oct 02 10:43:05 the contacts are /tiny/ Oct 02 10:43:11 ^^ Oct 02 10:45:42 so in other words it'll be better to get some other maemo user to do it for you for a fee? :) heh this N900 does seem like its falling apart. The power button seems to be very sensitive and hard to push. Oct 02 10:45:49 * hatake_kakashi smells lemon *sigh* Oct 02 10:47:21 oh and one of the torx screws is missing, I noted that to the seller Oct 02 10:50:55 Eh, you can get a whole body kit for it for about $15 Oct 02 10:51:11 ...but you have to be careful and transfer the antennas from the old body Oct 02 11:17:42 I'd return a used device that pbviously got tampered with in a non-professional way Oct 02 11:19:04 not that it's impossible even Nokia breaks power switches on repair Oct 02 11:24:37 problem is whether or not will they give you N8/E7 in return Oct 02 11:41:35 they wouldn't even ponder to try that on me Oct 02 12:08:01 ok, I dont see n9 on sale in amazon Oct 02 12:08:13 and I think Iwill wait for black friday Oct 02 12:09:01 before sourcing one from elsewhere? e.g. Mexico? Oct 02 12:12:30 I thought it wasnt selling yet anywhere Oct 02 12:13:17 apparently some people already got their hands on N9 apart from those who got from Nokia directly Oct 02 12:14:33 some French guy was visiting Malaysia and asked if anybody in France wanted N9 or something on tmo thread, then there's a few people asking bits and pieces of N9 in that N950/N9 sub-forum Oct 02 13:08:59 (There's another funny sign with this newly acquired N900 with it showing it was fully charged, once momentarily unplugged from the charger and plugged back in it says its charging, hmm) that's absolutely normal. Charging will restart on unplugging/replugging the charger, and it ends either on battery *really* high voltage, or charger chip needs some time to detect the charging current is below charge end threshold. So the more correct Oct 02 13:09:01 behaviour is it will restart charging each time you plug in the charger, rather than telling "battery full" right away, which occasionally it also does Oct 02 13:10:26 also a "fully charged" notification doesn't mean charging actually stopped, it will continue trickle charging for quite some time iirc Oct 02 13:12:59 the "fully charged" notification (and switching from charging animation to battery-full icon, rsp from yellow-falshing to green steady light) is triggered by fuel gauge jumping to 100% according to what I seem to recall - charger chip however is still continuing charging @ a few 10s of mA for quite some time Oct 02 13:13:29 bme is fun to analyze :-P Oct 02 13:14:43 and battery state messages bme sends to hal from where they go to e.g battery applet and indicator LED is mere guesswork Oct 02 13:18:49 recently my t900 refused to charge (proven by custom charger indicator light not showing any current taken by the device), until I plugged it to PC. Not even battery-out for 2min changed the issue :-o Oct 02 13:19:23 that's PK on my t900, but anyway Oct 02 13:20:35 DocScrutinizer: did you see what openwrt guys did with n8x0 charging? Oct 02 13:20:36 there've been other reports of "twl4030 locks up in inoperative state, sticky across batery removal", during very early states of h-e-n R&D Oct 02 13:21:19 slonopotamus: nope, not at all. But then I got just a faint idea about n810 charging being a *real* mess Oct 02 13:21:44 and completely different to what is going on with N900 charging Oct 02 13:22:18 also didn't know openWRT even dealt with N8x0 at all Oct 02 13:23:20 Is there any reason my microSD card on my n900 is considered a "read-only" file system? The mount command shows it mounted as "rw", and even chmodding a file to a+w and using root to rm doesn't work. Is there a physical "read-only" switch on the microSD, and could it have somehow physically changed to r/o mode while inside the N900? Oct 02 13:23:50 and tbh I don't like much the idea of two dozen competing 'proprietary' kernels for a platform Oct 02 13:24:40 we've seen what messing with kernel stuff by inexperienced "devels" can do, just one day ago Oct 02 13:25:36 DocScrutinizer: what was one day ago? Oct 02 13:25:59 *sigh* Oct 02 13:26:12 grep chanlog for bq27200 Oct 02 13:27:07 or read http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1100657&postcount=892 and follow the links in there Oct 02 13:27:37 kwtm: no switch Oct 02 13:28:17 kwtm: probably a I/O error or fs-corrupt, on which the card got remounted r/o Oct 02 13:28:33 kwtm: check syslog/dmesg Oct 02 13:28:37 kwtm, maybe try inside desktop, just to check if it isn't sd card problem? Oct 02 13:29:03 I've heard, that out-of-life sd cards act as read only, and hw controller doesnt allow writing anymore Oct 02 13:29:05 DocScrutinizer: I see. That may explain it: I was doing backup to microSD and I believe power ran low (not sure; while I wasn't watching, the N900 rebooted) so it may have been remounted. Oct 02 13:29:10 to avoid data loss Oct 02 13:29:31 but probably DocScrutinizer is right and it's just filesystem ;) Oct 02 13:29:37 Estel_: will try. Thx. Oct 02 13:29:39 yeah, probably fs corrupt then Oct 02 13:29:45 np Oct 02 13:30:18 DocScrutinizer, why are You calling openwrt "propertiary" party? Oct 02 13:30:26 afaik openwrt is well, open ;) Oct 02 13:30:27 insert to your desktop PC, run fschk Oct 02 13:31:30 Estel_: I know you all get upset when I call a custom thing that has open source "proprietary" Oct 02 13:31:45 not really upset, just curious ;) Oct 02 13:32:01 so s/proprietary/fsckng-fork/ Oct 02 13:32:05 how do I check syslog? I am looking at /var/log but I just see a few small logs; am I looking for one of these? Oct 02 13:32:19 syslog Oct 02 13:32:24 I just identify proprietary as non- open source compliant Oct 02 13:32:37 or use dmesg, when you got no ksyslogd installed Oct 02 13:33:02 aka derivatived from "property" ;) Oct 02 13:33:04 * RST38h yawns Oct 02 13:33:08 yeah, I'm using the word wrong Oct 02 13:33:13 no problem Oct 02 13:33:13 So, gentlemen, what is new andexciting tonight? Oct 02 13:33:15 DocScrutinizer: Sorry, I need more of a hint. I tried "syslog" as a command, and also /syslog and /var/syslog, none of which exist. Should there be a /var/log/syslog? I'm not seeing it. Oct 02 13:33:32 /var/log/syslog Oct 02 13:33:38 or command dmesg Oct 02 13:34:05 syslog only exists if you installed the ksyslogd pkg Oct 02 13:34:06 * Estel_ just wondered if he missed something about openwrt Oct 02 13:34:09 Oh, I needed ksyslogd to install? I did do dmesg, so maybe I'll use that ... I was hoping the system logs would give more detail and let me be more selective. Anyway, I'll go with dmesg. Oct 02 13:34:30 Sounds like ksyslogd is useful. I'll install that shortly. Oct 02 13:34:33 RST38h, it probably depends on what one is getting *ekhm* excited Oct 02 13:34:46 or overexcited ;) Oct 02 13:35:19 kwtm, just give us info how this ended, it's interesting Oct 02 13:35:27 Well, try me Oct 02 13:36:32 Btw, how is the 1.3.3.7 ... thing? (What is it called again? Community Additions to Operating System or something.) Half a year ago I installed the not-the-latest (v12? v13?) because there was a bug in the latest (v17? v18?) -- the oldest one that had landscape orientation lock (but not portrait). Any new versions in past half year? I am still digging through my notes to see where the web page is that lists the currently Oct 02 13:36:33 available versions. Oct 02 13:36:36 "#maemo IRC daily news: page 1: kwtm got microSD card acting like read-only. This shocking story reveal, that card may even refuse to chmod from root!" Oct 02 13:37:18 "Tune in tomorrow for continuing coverage of what happened when kwtm turned the N900 off and then on!" Oct 02 13:37:27 lol Oct 02 13:37:43 DocScrutinizer: https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay/blob/master/sys-kernel/n8x0-sources/files/900-n810-battery-management.patch Oct 02 13:38:10 "page 2: recent discoveries reveal that yawning on IRC isn't affecting other irc attenders. Scientist promised further research, with great help of RST38h, professional irc yawing bot" Oct 02 13:38:13 slonopotamus: thanks Oct 02 13:38:36 yawning, probably. oh, well Oct 02 13:39:08 ~tell kwtm about cssu Oct 02 13:39:15 thanks slonopotamus, reading Oct 02 13:39:56 Ah, cssu, yes, that was the keyword. Oct 02 13:40:21 btw, DocScrutinizer, you remember discussion about polling i2cget and resource -intensivity of that? Oct 02 13:40:51 yes Oct 02 13:41:13 I've checked it a little, and off-line, locked phone with bq27200.sh 5 used 20-30 mA, while without it it eats 6-7 mA Oct 02 13:41:35 well, probably can be fixed by stop refreshing (in case of battery applet) when not visible... Oct 02 13:41:39 err, that proves what? Oct 02 13:42:15 polling /sys/ output from goddamnit bq...ko result in 7-8 mA Oct 02 13:42:33 running a shell script every 5s obviously will increase the power consumption of CPU Oct 02 13:43:16 ok... You think that running i2c get via constant-on program won't produce high CPU wake-ups? Oct 02 13:43:21 and battery applet isn't supposed to do a once-per-5s polling, that's plain insane Oct 02 13:43:49 once per 5 minutes is more like it Oct 02 13:43:54 and stock battery applet, how often it check? Oct 02 13:44:15 Estel_: 30s I think Oct 02 13:44:18 It's around there Oct 02 13:44:23 thanks SpeedEvil Oct 02 13:44:24 it works comletely different, event-driven based on bme reporting changes of battery charge Oct 02 13:45:06 do a dbus-monitor and grep for err "battery" or "hal", and you'll see how it works Oct 02 13:45:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Oct 02 13:45:43 Estel_: let me put it this way: how much could a battery change capacity in one minute? Oct 02 13:45:43 The minimal script above uses almost no extra power Oct 02 13:45:56 I see. Ian--- m just wondering, current approach of advanced-battery-monitor doesn'5 influence power usuage (by measureable numbers) at all. Oct 02 13:46:12 well, in range of measurement error, i.e ~1 mA Oct 02 13:46:27 SpeedEvil: it does, my results are completely in line with Estel_ 's Oct 02 13:46:31 1mA is enough to be significant in terms of standby time Oct 02 13:46:44 This isn't the full bq* script Oct 02 13:46:45 I think how i2cget/dump method could be implemented to apm while retaining non-increased powerr consumption Oct 02 13:46:52 It reads only the average power measure Oct 02 13:46:52 aaah Oct 02 13:47:09 current measure Oct 02 13:47:12 * RST38h yawns at Estel with passion Oct 02 13:47:31 1mA may drop the standby time by a day Oct 02 13:47:38 Estel_: one readout of bq27200 via i2cbus every 30..60s is negligible Oct 02 13:47:44 i see Oct 02 13:48:11 Is there a known bug where the floating point libraries are relocated or otherwise somehow broken? A lot of apps, when launched, simply disappear and/or never start (this includes previously working apps, like Maetronome and some others). I tried to run one such app from the command line (AsciiPortal), and it said "floating point exception" and quit. Is this fixed by updating my CSSU? Oct 02 13:48:22 and there's basically no difference between i2cget doing that directly vs bq27200.ko doing that Oct 02 13:48:35 DocScrutinizer, as for capacity, crappy 400 mAh replacement batteries are able to change capacity during 1 minutr quite a lot :P Oct 02 13:48:48 and bme does same way more often, like every 3s or sth Oct 02 13:48:49 roger that Oct 02 13:49:09 will report this forward to apm developer Oct 02 13:50:02 so using i2cget / i2cdump for acquiring the bq27200 register values is a nobrainer regarding power consumption and resource demand Oct 02 13:50:59 definitely no reason why an applet would depend on bq27200.ko and give up on running on standard kernel that doesn't provide that module Oct 02 13:51:29 Technically, it might be nicer if the driver could do it magically, and spit out a value on a pipe or something every n seconds Oct 02 13:51:34 even less a reason to get a broken bq27200.ko module that may kill your hardware Oct 02 13:52:03 apm got many options including bme value, but I'm interested in 100% correct readout via fuel gauge data (when properly calibrated) Oct 02 13:52:23 It's not 100% correct unless you're not using BME Oct 02 13:52:40 hm? Oct 02 13:52:49 BME does not always shutdown at the same voltage Oct 02 13:53:00 true, noticed that also Oct 02 13:53:06 Just most of the time Oct 02 13:53:20 it was reason why many people were unable to calibrate Oct 02 13:53:21 I'm off, BBQ Oct 02 13:53:23 cya Oct 02 13:53:40 they did "something" that made bme shutdown before 15 sec on edv1 Oct 02 13:53:44 It 'always' shuts down as it hits EDV1 Oct 02 13:53:45 bb DocScrutinizer Oct 02 13:53:52 nope Oct 02 13:54:01 but it may shut down earlier Oct 02 13:54:08 And very rarely it doesn't Oct 02 13:54:17 letting the device calibrate Oct 02 13:54:17 in my case, many times I got running for solid few minutes after edv1 Oct 02 13:54:34 news leak: kwtm's mmc card worked properly after off/on cycle (but there's a news embargo on this for the presses until tomorrow) Oct 02 13:54:38 Perhaps it's a seperate trigger on low voltage from the modem which triggers it Oct 02 13:54:48 maybe Oct 02 13:54:52 thx DocScrutinizer Oct 02 13:54:53 kwtm, lol :) Oct 02 13:55:08 http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~adunn/pubs/malware-tpm.pdf <-- DocScrutinizer this might be of interest ;) Oct 02 13:55:15 * Sicelo listens to this power talk attentively Oct 02 13:55:47 edv1 = 3248, am i right? Oct 02 13:55:51 SpeedEvil, when You gradually lower current, near end of discharge - after discharing on high current for almost whole process - bme shut down much later Oct 02 13:55:57 yea Sicelo Oct 02 13:56:14 hmm Oct 02 13:56:29 I scratch my head about how it works Oct 02 13:56:30 maybe it's trying to estimate ESR Oct 02 13:56:43 And make sure that it shuts down before the modem will die under transmit pulses Oct 02 13:56:56 but I "discovered" this, while writing tutorial for fuel gauge calibration Oct 02 13:57:02 maybe Oct 02 13:57:10 any opinions on the latest CSSU, v10.5 (which appears to be a bug fix update)? If no one says "there are a few bugs to iron out" I'll install it sometime later this week. Oct 02 13:57:12 bme reaches that low on yours Estel_? i only reach that by 'stop bme' Oct 02 13:57:31 the strangest part is that without bme one can go as low as ~2850 mV Oct 02 13:57:36 Sicelo, yes. Oct 02 13:57:44 ruskie: GOLDEN!! Oct 02 13:57:54 thanks a lot Oct 02 13:58:02 i must check again on mine :) Oct 02 13:58:19 Sicelo, once I got problem of vdq turning to 0 just when i stop bmr Oct 02 13:58:26 bme* Oct 02 13:58:37 so I was forced to develop calibration with bme Oct 02 13:58:41 kwtm: latest cssu OK Oct 02 13:58:45 lately, problem dissapeared Oct 02 13:59:16 thx, DocScrutinizer; you were the one who had previously warned me that the latest (at the time, probably about 2 versions ago) you had problems with, so if you tell me the latest is ok, that reassures me. Oct 02 13:59:18 is 10.8 iirc Oct 02 13:59:44 SpeedEvil, You know what I've also observed? the higher capacity battery You have, the later bme (in terms of voltage) shut down device Oct 02 13:59:48 x.8 anyway Oct 02 14:00:04 with dual- scud 3000 mAh battery it's much easier to get edv1 Oct 02 14:00:16 I see only 10.5 on http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog which was updated 2011-09-12, so if there's a later one (which appears to be more bugfix rather than new features --perfect for me), where would I get it? Oct 02 14:02:01 Estel_: pretty simple: bme shuts down on spikes tearing down battery to a certain threshld for sub-second duration, while what you see on bq27200 usually is averaged voltage. Higer capacity makes the "brownout" on surges less "deep" Oct 02 14:02:45 sounds sane Oct 02 14:02:46 kwtm: via OTA SSU you'll get the leatest, after installing 10.5 Oct 02 14:03:05 Are You sure about tchis mechanism, or is it educated guesswork? Oct 02 14:03:15 obtained while working on jrbme? Oct 02 14:03:18 DocScrutinizer: Ok, so I'll just unpin the CSSU package and let it get the latest. Thx. Oct 02 14:03:27 we had a rush-weekend where we got 10.5 .6 .7 .8 iirc Oct 02 14:04:36 Sicelo, You may be interested in this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1053809&postcount=846 Oct 02 14:05:29 ~tell Sicelo about jrtools Oct 02 14:05:55 ~tell Estel_ about jrtools Oct 02 14:06:02 thanks. :) Oct 02 14:06:13 does it work for self-tell? Oct 02 14:06:29 i'm aware of your post, bookmarked a while ago :) Oct 02 14:06:46 jrtool :/ the wiki page? Oct 02 14:06:56 ~tell Estel_ about query Oct 02 14:06:58 thanks. Wasn't mean to self-advertise :P Oct 02 14:07:51 thanks DocScrutinizer. Oct 02 14:08:06 not at all. i appreciate your work, all of u. bq27200 is the number 1 command i run as root Oct 02 14:09:42 Aahhhhh, crap! Back to "read only file system". I wonder if that means my microSD card itself is corrupt? Crumm, and I spent a lot (at the time) to get the largest possible capacity, too. Oct 02 14:10:32 DocScrutinizer, I've seen that wiki page long time ago, but it state most of it is obsolete on PR1.3? Oct 02 14:10:35 uSD sometimes just age and break Oct 02 14:10:46 kwtm, that card type is it? Oct 02 14:11:12 Estel_: I updated it recently to make clear what's irrelevant for cssu Oct 02 14:11:12 Sicelo, are You also going to use 3000mAh battery? Oct 02 14:11:29 * Estel_ will check Oct 02 14:11:43 !? and now it's not "read only file system" any more. I wonder if that error message is misleading, and it's just "some directories got switched to chmod -w" ? This is weird. Definitely there are some files now writable that weren't before, so definitely an improvement from before. Anyway, this is from a large rsync -v so all these error messages are scrolling past at about 3 lines a second. :P Oct 02 14:11:51 afk Oct 02 14:12:22 Estel_: Do you mean what brand? Can't remember, think I got it from Hong Kong (some Japanese brand, not one of those cheap imitations). Oct 02 14:12:58 Sicelo, if yes, I strongly advice to. It's funny how industry want slimmer and smaller devices. I bless my Mugen Cover not only because room for 3000mAh battery, photo-tripod mount etc, but also while writing, even here, on IRC. Oct 02 14:13:19 using N900 hardware keyboard is *much* more comfortable with mugen cover Oct 02 14:13:32 additional thickness is really, really pros here Oct 02 14:13:44 kwtm, I see. and capacity? Oct 02 14:13:52 Estel_: What is mugen cover? I have an otter case which seems very robust. Is mugen a cover for the keyboard (which is starting to get scratched). Oct 02 14:14:12 no no. Mugen Cover is custom backcover for N900 Oct 02 14:14:13 Estel_: capacity = 16GB (I remember it was the largest possible at the time, but still only half the size of N900's memory) Oct 02 14:14:31 it replaces N900backcover Oct 02 14:14:44 You know, You got battery, SD sim etc under it Oct 02 14:15:22 maninly, it allow You to use DIY dual-batteries, preferably dual-scud = 3000 mAh of real capacity Oct 02 14:15:46 some, including me, did other mods too - for example, I inserted mount point for tripod Oct 02 14:16:01 Estel_: So you're replacing part of the original n900. I see. Worthwhile? My otter just goes over the n900, so it's slightly bigger but imho has much more damage protection. Also has a top cover, too, and nice covers for the USB port, audio plug hole, etc. Oct 02 14:16:13 so I can place my N900 on every standard camera tripod, for taking photos Oct 02 14:16:23 mugen cover isn't about protection at all Oct 02 14:16:41 You can use some otter cover with it, if N900 with mugen cover fit Oct 02 14:16:47 Estel_: Seriously!? Tripod for N900? Actually, I'm more interested in the additional battery. So it must be somewhat thicker, and ... what, there's another port to allow you to plug in a 2nd battery? Oct 02 14:17:10 no no. You just solder 2 batteries in parallel Oct 02 14:17:11 I can't seem to find the right google keywords. Is there a product number? Oct 02 14:17:18 sec Oct 02 14:18:10 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 - don't be scarred by Behemot size of this thread, all info is indexed in first 3 posts Oct 02 14:18:44 Estel_: now u are advertising :P ;) Oct 02 14:18:54 i would like to have it, yes. :) Oct 02 14:19:00 and yea, I use tripod, photography took by N900 is great with it Oct 02 14:19:03 there exist phone holders with a tripod mounts Oct 02 14:19:21 hehe, Sicelo, this is dr_frost_dk thread :P Oct 02 14:19:32 BCMM, true, but they are insanely expensive Oct 02 14:19:35 huge Oct 02 14:19:48 and most of the times compatible with only few phones Oct 02 14:20:13 hello Oct 02 14:20:26 i only wonder how much it would cost by the time its delivered to me here in Swaziland.. Oct 02 14:20:28 With tripod mount point inside N900 cover I can just use pocket-size tripod and carry it everywhere, or, for special ocassions, full-fledged big tripod Oct 02 14:20:58 Sicelo, it depends if You "dare" to solder it on Your own, or donate someone to do so Oct 02 14:21:22 still, it's much cheaper than 2300mAh Mugen Battery, and must better, cause 300 mAh ;) Oct 02 14:21:48 personally, I've modifed Mugen Cover to also contain camera lens cover, which work like stock cover Oct 02 14:21:59 also to be found on dr_frost_dk thread Oct 02 14:22:01 * Sicelo re-reads the thread Oct 02 14:22:26 i.e when You open custom camera cover, N900"know" that, like with stock cover Oct 02 14:23:38 BTW, it's funny to see low battery warning, while You have 60 % of standard nokia battery left (700 mAh) Oct 02 14:23:52 with 3000 mAh battery, uptimes are awesome Oct 02 14:24:12 not to mention less battery wear, due to half of current used from every cell Oct 02 14:24:16 Estel_: Wow, thx for that post. I like how the nominally "1920" mAh had 800mAh. :P Oct 02 14:24:30 after half of year of use, I still got more than 3000mAh capacity Oct 02 14:24:37 kwtm, yea Oct 02 14:24:58 Ho ever, scud batteries adveristing 1400 mAh got 1520, lol Oct 02 14:25:46 basically, two batteries are worth considering. Scuds for top performace and quite good price, and "christgifts" with 1200 mAh but toally cheap price and best price/capacity ratio Oct 02 14:25:57 capacity/price, rather Oct 02 14:26:04 personally, I use Scuds Oct 02 14:26:11 I have just switched from my iPhone to a n900 (will get it next week) and just want to know if it is possible to show the calendar in the lockscreen on hte n900? Oct 02 14:26:23 dual-scud to be precise Oct 02 14:26:28 I have found some another nice apps for maemo but I can´t find anything that shows the calendar on the lockscreen. Oct 02 14:26:30 not on stock n900 hakkattakk Oct 02 14:26:34 hakkattakk, there is package qtlockscreen Oct 02 14:26:45 it allow You to modify whatever ou want Oct 02 14:26:49 on lockscreen Oct 02 14:26:51 nice! Oct 02 14:27:12 I have looked in the theard but didn´t found anything about calendar though Oct 02 14:27:13 oh, lol, i ended up uninstalling it without playing enough Oct 02 14:27:13 and welcome on the light side of the Force :P Oct 02 14:27:28 Estel_: Thanks ;) Oct 02 14:27:37 I also don't use it, for me lcokscreen is enough with showing hour and date :P Oct 02 14:27:49 for everything else I unlock device Oct 02 14:28:27 Sicelo, for me qtlockscreen use too much memory, but most people wan't even notice Oct 02 14:28:35 hakkattakk: You're getting yours used, right? I want to know if Nokia's still selling these --I'm thinking about getting a second one for when the first N900 fails, because so far no one else is coming out with a hackable phone. Think Meego ran out of gas, and the hinted-at super Samsung Linux Phone ain't happening. Wife got an iPad which is way too locked down so I don't want an iPhone, so I'm stuck between praying for a decent Oct 02 14:28:37 Android and having a backup Real Linux phone. Oct 02 14:28:51 yeah, that's another reason i uninstalled it Oct 02 14:29:06 kwtm, definitelly not Android Oct 02 14:29:15 almost every program there is adware Oct 02 14:29:19 kwtm: Yeah, I bought it as used Oct 02 14:29:21 not my world, definitelly Oct 02 14:29:21 kwtm, i'm selling my n900 if you're interested Oct 02 14:29:48 how many u have MoonTiger ? Oct 02 14:29:55 honestly, I would never buy N900 from TMO user - here we know for too goodvalue of N900 Oct 02 14:29:59 2 currently Oct 02 14:30:04 only need one Oct 02 14:30:12 btw, I bought mine for 130$ Oct 02 14:30:16 I bought mine n ideal condition for ~140$ Oct 02 14:30:24 or 900kr (sek) Oct 02 14:30:29