**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Oct 05 02:59:58 2011
Oct 05 03:16:34 <Sazpaimon_> still is taking some time to start up
Oct 05 03:18:56 <Sazpaimon_> it picked up my network now, though
Oct 05 03:19:57 <Sazpaimon_> but my app database is gone
Oct 05 03:21:27 <Sazpaimon_> i thought flashing rootfs doesnt effect that
Oct 05 07:11:26 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, ping
Oct 05 07:12:00 <DocScrutinizer> pong
Oct 05 07:12:34 <psycho_oreos> enlighten me please, the N900 came from factory as overclocked? I never recall seeing N900 at 600MHz is overclocked :)
Oct 05 07:13:42 <DocScrutinizer> it is, basically. TI says so by stating 100.000h at any clock speed, but only 23.000h at 600MHz
Oct 05 07:14:07 <psycho_oreos> hmm crap
Oct 05 07:14:32 <DocScrutinizer> every other 50MHz probably will half that timespan
Oct 05 07:14:42 <Mark__T> DocScrutinizer: so 700MHz is 100000h too :-P
Oct 05 07:15:34 <DocScrutinizer> I more think it will be 5000h@700MHz
Oct 05 07:15:39 <psycho_oreos> I'm sure even with the poor wording TI chose to document with, any frequency above 600MHz will shorten the life span
Oct 05 07:15:47 <DocScrutinizer> 1000@800
Oct 05 07:16:34 <DocScrutinizer> and maybe 100@1000
Oct 05 07:16:54 <psycho_oreos> and what happened, rather which factoid trigger was it that shows the three links to people with overclocked (and now damaged) N900?
Oct 05 07:17:04 <psycho_oreos> I thought it was ~overclock
Oct 05 07:17:12 <psycho_oreos> err ~overclocking
Oct 05 07:17:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~omap-oc
Oct 05 07:17:33 <infobot> methinks omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11
Oct 05 07:17:40 <psycho_oreos> ahh thanks :D
Oct 05 07:18:49 <DocScrutinizer> my "OC is 1337" link in signature of tmo as well
Oct 05 07:21:49 <psycho_oreos> trying to grill this user: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1102347&postcount=12
Oct 05 08:14:07 <robbiethe1st> .join #wine
Oct 05 08:25:29 <chem|st> moo
Oct 05 09:17:57 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st: why?
Oct 05 09:18:03 <robbiethe1st> ?
Oct 05 09:18:05 <DocScrutinizer> moo chem|st :-)
Oct 05 09:18:17 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-10-05 10:11:28] <robbiethe1st> .join #wine
Oct 05 09:18:26 <robbiethe1st> Because . != /
Oct 05 09:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
Oct 05 09:19:59 <robbiethe1st> I suppose . could equal / if you're in the root directory though...
Oct 05 09:41:41 <Mark__T> probably the most annoying question, but how do I solve this http://dpaste.com/627767/
Oct 05 09:42:53 <ruskie> never seen that before
Oct 05 09:44:30 <Mark__T> this is my sources.list: http://dpaste.com/627770/
Oct 05 09:45:38 <psycho_oreos> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=921929&postcount=24
Oct 05 09:47:27 <psycho_oreos> check line 6 in your second paste :
Oct 05 09:47:44 <psycho_oreos> :p against http://repository.maemo.org
Oct 05 09:47:52 <Mark__T> psycho_oreos: Thx, I tend do get lost at talks.maemo.org
Oct 05 09:50:58 <Mark__T> psycho_oreos: iirc I had something like that already a while back, but mamory faded
Oct 05 09:51:25 <psycho_oreos> Mark__T, have a look at what I just wrote before you typed all that
Oct 05 09:51:27 <Mark__T> I think I had freemantle-1.2 somewhere
Oct 05 09:51:38 <psycho_oreos> your problem was already indicated
Oct 05 09:55:16 <Mark__T> psycho_oreos: doing another apt-date update already, only waiting, thx for helping out
Oct 05 09:55:37 <RST38h> Miramax CEO: Apple Is a Bigger Threat To The Music Industry Than Piracy
Oct 05 09:56:14 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 05 09:57:14 <RST38h> To software industry as well, I might add
Oct 05 09:58:01 <Hurrian> RST38h, if so, then they're a threat to hw industry too
Oct 05 10:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> the only threat to music industry is their inability to adopt contemporary concepts of content deployment - plus of course the whole casted-boygroup etc idea producing mountain high heaps of noise junk that they think users should even *pay* for. 
Oct 05 10:14:31 <ErwinJunge> DocScrutinizer: Remember a while ago I told you about my sim going missing randomly and you told me to let someone do hot air reflow? Didn't work, any other ideas? :)
Oct 05 10:15:00 <DocScrutinizer> ErwinJunge: sorry, no
Oct 05 10:15:16 <ErwinJunge> No problem, was worth a try asking you though
Oct 05 10:15:23 <DocScrutinizer> sure thing
Oct 05 10:15:53 <ErwinJunge> My usb port is securely fixed now though, so that's a small plus
Oct 05 10:23:47 <MohammadAG> stuff a paper above the sim
Oct 05 10:32:14 <ErwinJunge> MohammadAG: How much paper? i.e. how thick? A single layer of regular printer paper?
Oct 05 10:33:52 <MohammadAG> ErwinJunge, one, make two layers out of it
Oct 05 10:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> probably highly useless
Oct 05 10:35:09 <Hurrian> MohammadAG, what is kernel-thumb2?
Oct 05 10:35:20 <ErwinJunge> MohammadAG: Thanks, I'll try it
Oct 05 10:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> IF it were a contact problem, then bending contact springs outward carefully would help way better
Oct 05 10:35:54 <MohammadAG> Hurrian, something we tried for Ubuntu 10.10
Oct 05 10:35:59 <Hurrian> ah
Oct 05 10:36:09 <MohammadAG> crashed a lot on maemo
Oct 05 10:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> as in my sim holder slot at least there's not even space to have another 2 layers of paper
Oct 05 10:36:30 <MohammadAG> mine can hold 3 :P
Oct 05 10:36:49 <Hurrian> my n900's sim holder can easily be pulled out
Oct 05 10:37:34 <ErwinJunge> Hurrian: That sounds bad
Oct 05 10:37:52 <Hurrian> erwinjunge, no problems here
Oct 05 10:38:09 <Hurrian> it locks into place normally
Oct 05 10:38:26 <ErwinJunge> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG: I've never replaced the sim here though and the problem randomly started about a month ago, doesn't seem like it could be a contact issue to me.
Oct 05 10:38:28 <Hurrian> but if i wanted to remove the holder, i can easily do so
Oct 05 10:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> ErwinJunge: neither to me
Oct 05 10:38:49 <ErwinJunge> "randomly" *might* mean "after I dropped the phone"
Oct 05 10:39:17 <ErwinJunge> Not sure about causation there though, not even sure if the problem existed before I dropped it
Oct 05 10:40:17 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I'd assume prior to doing  hot air reflow operation, your friend checked the SIM and maybe also removed it prior to shooting 250° air on the place where it had been ;-P So any contact problems should've been noticed by him
Oct 05 10:41:09 <SpeedEvil> Err
Oct 05 10:41:23 <SpeedEvil> you were meaning bad contacts on the phone chipset
Oct 05 10:41:37 <SpeedEvil> Mine is also randomly going missing - but only if it's switched to 2G
Oct 05 10:42:12 <DocScrutinizer> hey, that's pretty much giving a good clue what's broken, eh?
Oct 05 10:42:38 <SpeedEvil> No.
Oct 05 10:42:53 <SpeedEvil> I can see what 2g mode not working would be caused by - in principle.
Oct 05 10:43:03 <SpeedEvil> But 'sim missing' type errors are unclear.
Oct 05 10:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> err yup
Oct 05 10:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, got distracted by strange events next to my right eye
Oct 05 10:45:11 <ErwinJunge> meh, so essentially there's nothing I can do to fix this, apart from playing Russian roulette with Nokia Care...
Oct 05 10:47:29 <DocScrutinizer> either that, or find a repair shop with sombody who really got a clue how to *repair* things (incl diagnostics and using proper testing tools)
Oct 05 10:48:16 <SpeedEvil> Which you don't get
Oct 05 10:48:22 <SpeedEvil> Even nokia techs don't get.
Oct 05 10:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> hard to find
Oct 05 10:48:32 <SpeedEvil> You'd really want datasheets of rapuyama/..
Oct 05 10:48:53 <SpeedEvil> I would be surprised if those are available to any repair centre anywhere.
Oct 05 10:49:16 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, not really. Schematics might suffice to spot a cold solder joint
Oct 05 10:49:23 <SpeedEvil> Well - yes
Oct 05 10:49:31 <SpeedEvil> In principle.
Oct 05 10:50:00 <DocScrutinizer> but yeah, with e.g JTAG it'd be way simpler
Oct 05 10:50:16 <DocScrutinizer> boundary scan
Oct 05 10:50:31 <SpeedEvil> But this is a _HARD_ debugging problem, and I'd not be surprised at it taking ages.
Oct 05 10:50:49 * SpeedEvil ponders opening it up and poking stuff
Oct 05 10:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Oct 05 10:51:04 <SpeedEvil> Even that's really annoying, as it often requires a powercucle
Oct 05 10:51:13 <SpeedEvil> So ~60s between probes
Oct 05 10:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Oct 05 10:51:31 <ErwinJunge> Considering that time == money and specialized time == loads of money, that's not really an economically viable option :)
Oct 05 10:51:45 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Oct 05 10:52:31 <DocScrutinizer> esp given the fact you already did a blind reflow
Oct 05 10:53:54 <ErwinJunge> Ah well, it's not a very large problem (yet), so I guess I'll have to learn to live with it. Worst case scenario, I'll get a dumbphone with bluetooth and figure out how to tether the internet to the N900 ;)
Oct 05 10:54:26 <ErwinJunge> Or get a usb dongle and use h-e-n actively ;)
Oct 05 10:55:39 <ErwinJunge> Thanks for all the technical help, again. You're really an invaluable resource to this community.
Oct 05 10:59:05 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?!     for ((i=0, i<15, i++)); do echo -e "If you can't see the email below, copy and paste this URL into your web browser. \n You've been invited to Qt Developer days 2011. Please click this link http://qt.nokia.com/qtdevdays2011 \n Thank you."; done | mail -s "Sign up for Qt Developer Days and save EUR 150" <DocScrutinizer@launchpad-account.nokia>
Oct 05 10:59:51 <ErwinJunge> ?
Oct 05 11:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> nokia sending me an utterly silly mail
Oct 05 11:00:51 <ErwinJunge> From that website: "Gain the know-how to code stunning mobile apps with Qt on MeeGo (Nokia N9) and Symbian"
Oct 05 11:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> consisting of nothing else but 15 times the same text as <see above>
Oct 05 11:01:30 <ErwinJunge> Haha, funny
Oct 05 11:01:34 <ErwinJunge> Didn't they drop Qt?
Oct 05 11:01:53 <ruskie> but what will run on meltemi then if they drop it?
Oct 05 11:03:03 <SpeedEvil> Register now for all 3 days and save EUR 150    Now in its eighth year, Qt Developer Days is the best place to learn, share, and build your Qt expertise and develop relationships within the Qt community. The event’s dedicated Qt mobile training offers developers and UI designers skills to harness the large Qt for mobile opportunity today, and the future opportunity offered by the Nokia 'Qt for the next billion' strategy.    
Oct 05 11:03:08 <SpeedEvil> From today
Oct 05 11:06:50 <DocScrutinizer> tail of msg, just truncating part of header (with to etc): http://paste.debian.net/134271/
Oct 05 11:12:14 <DocScrutinizer> of course they also send the regular developer newsletter, twice each time, with 1..2 days in between, to same email addr - and I have no clue how to find out what's the second account that does this, or how to otherwise deal with it
Oct 05 11:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> obviously that infra is based on the assumption that email addr was a unambiguous pointer to *one* account
Oct 05 11:46:40 <edheldil> DocScrutinizer:  nothing in the header to give a clue?
Oct 05 11:46:56 <DocScrutinizer> nuttin
Oct 05 11:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, some msg ID
Oct 05 11:47:59 <edheldil> you could be able to see the email it is really sent to in a header Delivered-To:, I think
Oct 05 11:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> nope, no difference it that one either
Oct 05 11:49:40 <edheldil> then possibly they have a list of "people who signed for the newsletter" and another "people who we will spam regardless" and did not bother to uniqify them
Oct 05 11:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> and clicking the "opt out" link gets me to the login page where I need to know my account name :-P
Oct 05 11:51:00 <edheldil> eh, opt outs ...
Oct 05 12:51:56 <SpeedEvil> Is anyone aware ofthe general procedure in the UK for warranty returns if I can't easily get to a nokia care centre?
Oct 05 12:54:50 <MohammadAG> Attendees will see the future of Qt including Qt 5, the next generation of Qt Quick, and of course the stunning new Qt-powered Nokia N9. 
Oct 05 12:55:20 <MohammadAG> who wants to bet they'll have an empty stand with a label "The future of the Qt-powered Nokia N9"?
Oct 05 12:56:38 <jiero> 乁S
Oct 05 12:57:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, do check out FMTX related stuff on the N9 when you get it :p
Oct 05 13:08:26 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer; Also - maybe ask about extra certs
Oct 05 13:16:34 <m4yer> hey, I've got a N900 related question, my battery lasts only for about 5-6h (in idle); because I thought it was a problem with a package, I reflashed today, but still no differences ... how likly is it, that my battery is (after 1 year) simply broken?
Oct 05 13:16:55 <auenf> quite likely
Oct 05 13:18:47 <m4yer> thx, I feared that, just wanted to ask in case i overlooked something obvious.
Oct 05 13:22:12 <SpeedEvil> Also - some activiries may drain it faster than others.
Oct 05 13:22:19 <SpeedEvil> Misconfigurations of yours, or of ohters.
Oct 05 13:22:42 <SpeedEvil> For example - if your cell-provider breaks their configuration a little bit, causing you to continually do stuff with the cell-towers.
Oct 05 13:23:38 <jiero> Wow, voice help system looks COOL - good job Apple.
Oct 05 13:24:32 <m4yer> but just laying there with defaults/ freshly reflashed? and about 3 weeks ago it lasted that way ~3 days .. I fear it ran into deep discharge during my holydays ...
Oct 05 13:28:56 <bebna> m4yer: get a secand battery, it isn't expensive and u can check if this misbehavior is based on the phone or from the original battery
Oct 05 13:29:35 <bebna> m4yer: and if u get at the and everything working u have a emergency power
Oct 05 13:29:47 <bebna> *pack
Oct 05 13:30:09 <m4yer> thx bebna, thats my new plan ;)
Oct 05 13:30:58 <m4yer> just wondering, on amazon(.de) there are batteries from 3 - 25€ ... :D
Oct 05 13:36:26 <edheldil> m4yer:  you can also check with top or powertop if some process is eating your battery, although it seems less likely if it's a fresh reflash
Oct 05 13:38:26 <m4yer> edheldil: looks all normal ( 5-8% hildon-desktop but nothing else more interessting ..) 
Oct 05 14:45:28 <ErwinJunge> Hm.... my screen just froze after hanging up a call (mid through the call closing animation). I can still ssh in though and no process is using the cpu. Odd. It's completely unresponsive though (except via ssh).
Oct 05 14:45:30 <amiconn> There's also a chance that undervolting may cause extra battery drain
Oct 05 14:45:44 <amiconn> No kidding - I actually experienced this.
Oct 05 14:47:16 <amiconn> Running PK, set to 750 MHz and "ULV". CPU worked fine with those parameters, but I wondered why blessn900 always crashed when caclulating stuff
Oct 05 14:47:58 <amiconn> After such a crash, my battery lasted only half a day even with little use
Oct 05 14:48:36 <amiconn> Then I played around with vlc and it also crashed often... after that, I experimented a bit and found that while my CPU works fine at "ULV", the DSP does not
Oct 05 14:49:07 <amiconn> And when an app crashed due to DSP errors, apparently the DSP didn't stop, so it drained the battery
Oct 05 14:50:01 <amiconn> Now I'm running the "LV" profile, and it didn't happen again so far
Oct 05 15:25:25 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/10/05/apple_predicted_siri_in_1987/ <_- lol
Oct 05 15:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> amiconn: surprise surprise! :-D - thanks anyway for elaborating on this, nobody believes me if I tell such things can happen, as I didn't actually try it.
Oct 05 15:29:59 <merlin1991> well DocScrutinizer you're a bot, so obviously you have no experience in the field ;)
Oct 05 15:38:28 <MohammadAG> merlin1991, yeah, abill_uk and Matan have the experience, not DocScrutinizer51 
Oct 05 15:42:33 <amiconn> DocScrutinizer: Using the LV profile now has the advantage that I can even go up to 805 MHz for the CPU (this setting still doesn't overclock the DSP) without making it unstable.
Oct 05 15:45:08 <amiconn> Otoh I am wondering how other can overclock theirs to >1 GHz. Apparently the chips differ quite a bit
Oct 05 15:45:14 <NIN101> fck all about the size of mtd4. 
Oct 05 15:59:45 <Sazpaimon_> DocScrutinizer, i figured out what was causing my sim to not be picked up
Oct 05 16:00:24 <Sazpaimon_> i had upgraded libffi because my new libxml++ needed it, but I compiled it with the newer gcc
Oct 05 16:00:36 <Sazpaimon_> libffi is a dependency for libsim0
Oct 05 16:00:42 <Sazpaimon_> so I guess it wasnt liking the new library
Oct 05 16:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> plausible
Oct 05 16:02:14 <Sazpaimon_> i tested that just now, installed my newer libffi, lost sim card
Oct 05 16:02:20 <Sazpaimon_> rolled back, worked again
Oct 05 16:15:37 <Sazpaimon_> installing the same package compiled with gcc 4.2 seems to fix it
Oct 05 16:21:04 <joejoe> hi, i try to figure out how to set usb networking for n900 with network manager on ubuntu 11.10. On ubuntu 11.04 it is working out of box.
Oct 05 16:22:51 <Sazpaimon_> joejoe, are you using mad developer for usb networking?
Oct 05 16:26:01 <joejoe> yes
Oct 05 16:26:29 <joejoe> the n900 creates only "Mobile broadband" item in network manager applet
Oct 05 16:26:54 <joejoe> the n950 creates both "Mobile broadband" and "Wired" connection
Oct 05 16:27:07 <joejoe> the cdc_ether module is loaded
Oct 05 16:28:03 <joejoe> and "/sbin/ifconfig -a" shows usb0 device and it is possible to start it from command line "/sbin/ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 up"
Oct 05 17:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon_: nice find :-D
Oct 05 17:18:49 * slonopotamus blows his mind up by reading through tsc2301 driver source
Oct 05 17:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> poof, and there he's gone :-P
Oct 05 18:03:31 <DocScrutinizer> no wonder his head exploded, the short description is bizarre enough http://www.ti.com/product/tsc2301 controller for resistive 4wire touchpanels WITH BUILTIN AUDIO(!)
Oct 05 18:04:47 <DocScrutinizer> oooh and yet another source for a random temperature reading
Oct 05 18:04:58 <ruskie> hehe
Oct 05 18:09:37 <DocScrutinizer> what a luck we got http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Subsystems#Touchscreen a 2005 on N900 :-P
Oct 05 18:10:57 <DocScrutinizer> and actually I wonder why slono was reading the tsc2301 driver source, I can't see which device would use that chip
Oct 05 18:23:22 <Sazpaimon_> whats the color depth for maemo, 16 or 24 bit?
Oct 05 18:23:33 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/05/nokia_meltemi_for_s40/
Oct 05 18:23:45 <RST38h> yeah, no new data
Oct 05 18:31:44 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, someone from 2301 obviously
Oct 05 18:32:32 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sorry you lost me
Oct 05 18:33:05 <MohammadAG> tsc2005 - from 2005...
Oct 05 18:47:21 <amiconn> Melt me??
Oct 05 18:54:19 <Sicelo> Sazpaimon_: 16, afaik
Oct 05 19:08:45 <MohammadAG> \
Oct 05 19:09:45 <MohammadAG> sorry about that
Oct 05 19:13:31 <NIN101> a kexec based menu to boot into other OSs would be very cool stuff. 
Oct 05 19:13:55 <NIN101> for the record, with a 2.6.37 meego kernel i was able to kexec the meego kernel and it booted for example debian on sd very fine. but maemo(with powerkernel) oopsed. Of course it couldn't be that easy :-/. 
Oct 05 19:14:14 <Sazpaimon_> yeah, 16 bit it is
Oct 05 19:14:27 <Sazpaimon_> lightspark is designed to only work with 24-bit egl configs
Oct 05 19:14:40 <Sazpaimon_> so the shaders and renderers are going to have to be tweaked
Oct 05 19:15:02 <Sazpaimon_> they all assume 8bit RGB
Oct 05 19:25:02 <faina> NIN101: What about using the meego u-boot loader to load meego kernel+debian off of sd card?
Oct 05 19:25:45 <NIN101> u-boot is ok., and of course this is possible.
Oct 05 19:26:03 <MohammadAG> what's lightspark?
Oct 05 19:26:22 <NIN101> but it's also not the most user friendly software out there :-) 
Oct 05 19:26:23 <faina> To me it had the advantage, that it'll fall back to the default OS if the SD card isn't plugged in.
Oct 05 19:26:35 <faina> good point. 
Oct 05 20:32:28 <Sazpaimon_> okay so, I've hit a wall with lightspark
Oct 05 22:13:54 <zerocool> heys guys was wandering if anybody knows if you can convert wpa hex key to txt 
Oct 05 22:21:24 <Wild_Doogy> do you have the hex?
Oct 05 22:21:55 <Wild_Doogy> take a look at this:
Oct 05 22:21:57 <SpeedEvil> It's simply ascii
Oct 05 22:21:57 <Wild_Doogy> http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/
Oct 05 22:23:00 <DocScrutinizer> try sth like >>  echo -e  "\x47\x55\x78\x3f"f"  <<
Oct 05 22:25:03 <DocScrutinizer> even echo -e  "\x48\x45\x58\x3f"
Oct 05 22:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> you'll need to insert the "\x" by yourself, as I discarded my sed based cmdline to do that for long "raw" hex strings
Oct 05 22:26:24 <zerocool> Hex key -- 64886a41acc234442faafa6419d0ef2267eeacddaf9ed5b1cc65f2ccf7a89397
Oct 05 22:26:49 <Wild_Doogy> ZIhqQazCNEQvqvpkGdDvImfurN2vntWxzGXyzPeok5c=
Oct 05 22:26:58 <DocScrutinizer> so you think we're going to insert the \x for you? no way
Oct 05 22:27:03 <Wild_Doogy> look at the webpage I sent, it has a decoder
Oct 05 22:27:13 <Wild_Doogy> http://home2.paulschou.net/tools/xlate/
Oct 05 22:27:37 <Wild_Doogy> the text is not readable I assure you
Oct 05 22:28:19 <DocScrutinizer> at least seems to have no non-printable bytes in it
Oct 05 22:28:59 <Wild_Doogy> What I pasted was base64... :oos:
Oct 05 22:29:10 <Wild_Doogy> *Oops
Oct 05 22:29:14 <Wild_Doogy> d�jA¬Â4D/ªúdÐï"gî¬Ý¯�Õ±ÌeòÌ÷¨��
Oct 05 22:29:20 <Wild_Doogy> there is text
Oct 05 22:29:23 <zerocool> tryed that site an i get this back , d�jA¬Â4D/ªúdÐï"gî¬Ý¯�Õ±ÌeòÌ÷¨��
Oct 05 22:29:39 <Wild_Doogy> exactly, there is your text
Oct 05 22:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Oct 05 22:30:53 <amiconn> Converting the wpa hex key back to ascii is not possible
Oct 05 22:31:45 <amiconn> The hex key is derived from the ssid and the passphrase using PBKDF2() , which is a one-way function
Oct 05 22:32:26 <zerocool> well thats a nightmare
Oct 05 22:32:36 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> echo -e  "\x64\x88\x6a\x41\xac\xc2\x34\x44\x2f\xaa\xfa\x64\x19\xd0\xef\x22\x67\xee\xac\xdd\xaf\x9e\xd5\xb1\xcc\x65\xf2\xcc\xf7\xa8\x93\x97"
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Oct 05 23:06:26 <HyperSnyper> are there any status bar applet's to disable/enable auto lock on n900 ?
Oct 05 23:09:58 <SpeedEvil> You mean to keep the screen on?
Oct 05 23:10:31 <DocScrutinizer> simple brightness applet can do this
Oct 05 23:11:04 <HyperSnyper> it's for when im playing music in car, don't want it to lock screen after "x2 amount of time
Oct 05 23:11:10 <HyperSnyper> *"x"
Oct 05 23:11:17 <HyperSnyper> and is annoying going into settings everytime
Oct 05 23:12:00 <HyperSnyper> ahh yeh didn't notice the brightness applet has it
Oct 05 23:12:09 <HyperSnyper> once again thxs DocScrutinizer
Oct 05 23:12:12 <HyperSnyper> ;P
Oct 05 23:15:56 <DocScrutinizer> HyperSnyper: pro tip: click and hold the small button!
Oct 05 23:16:06 <HyperSnyper> already got it, thxs
Oct 05 23:16:23 <HyperSnyper> heh, hadn't noticed that button at all
Oct 05 23:22:58 <SpeedEvil> Ah - doc got it. I was distracted.
Oct 05 23:23:18 <SpeedEvil> There is also 'screen on while charging' somewhere
Oct 05 23:23:45 <HyperSnyper> yeh found that aswell but sadly don't have car charger yet
Oct 05 23:23:48 <HyperSnyper> thxs
Oct 05 23:24:16 <DocScrutinizer> it's just annoying that on click and hold of that button, you get a bogus mouseclick even on whatever is underneath
Oct 05 23:25:11 <DocScrutinizer> when the hld-time expires, the menu closes and your touch event is signalled to whatever is in the location where that button has been
Oct 05 23:27:16 <HyperSnyper> any suggestions for mroe power saving functions, got > 2G/3G/Dual / Wifi switcher / Brightness / SSH switcher, not sure if ssh changes much
Oct 05 23:28:26 <SpeedEvil> power button -> switch off
Oct 05 23:29:30 <HyperSnyper> :D
Oct 05 23:30:52 <SpeedEvil> If there are no screwups, you should see >5 days battery life on standby
Oct 05 23:31:11 <SpeedEvil> At least if you have a good phone signal, or have turned the modem off
Oct 05 23:31:55 <HyperSnyper> yeh can't complain with how long it lasts at moment, just thought i should ask see if there's anything i've missed
Oct 05 23:57:02 <eichi> hello. how stable is the ssu stuff in general?
Oct 05 23:57:33 <eichi> buggy things is okay, complete refresh would be not that nice at the moment ;)
Oct 06 00:02:01 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_jobs
Oct 06 00:08:06 <DocScrutinizer> seamless software update works since ~PR1.1
Oct 06 00:10:01 <DocScrutinizer> if you meant CommunitySSU though, it's pretty ok
Oct 06 00:11:31 <DocScrutinizer> I even suggested several times we need to fork out a stable branch right now
Oct 06 00:12:45 <eichi> okay
Oct 06 00:13:16 <jiero> Dead man.
Oct 06 00:14:28 <SpeedEvil> I wish I could think that apple would magically become purveyors of more open hardware.
Oct 06 00:20:50 <eichi> wtf I need pc suite application from windows to make the ssu updates?
Oct 06 00:25:18 <jiero> eichi:  only N900 itself + network needed.
Oct 06 00:28:55 <eichi> here comes the popup: "to update your device to this version of the operation system you must use Nokia PC Suite on your PC. connect the device to your pc via usb cable and launch the application. BUTTON: "create backup"
Oct 06 00:30:37 <eichi> okay, is in FAQ sorry
Oct 06 00:37:51 <DocScrutinizer> it's Cssu
Oct 06 00:38:10 <DocScrutinizer> SSU is Nokia's standard version of CSSU
Oct 06 01:28:06 <HyperSnyper> is there anything for the n900 that can "easily" discover all shares within "mshome" on a network ?
Oct 06 01:28:27 <nox-> hm smbclient -L ?
Oct 06 01:28:34 <nox-> not sure thats ported tho
Oct 06 01:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> it is afaik
Oct 06 01:38:01 <DocScrutinizer> samba even mostly available in stock
Oct 06 01:40:45 <nox-> ah good :)
Oct 06 02:38:11 <Sazpaimon_> why do people even use qtlockscreen
Oct 06 02:38:31 <Sazpaimon_> gee i sure like waiting 5 seconds to even be able to unlock my device
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