**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 07 02:59:58 2011
Oct 07 06:25:41 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Oct 07 06:55:54 <reenignEesreveR> is there a good mp3 encoding app for n900?
Oct 07 06:58:24 <psycho_oreos> mencoder?
Oct 07 07:00:34 <gomiam> psycho_oreos: I guess if it worked correctly on N8x0 it should work even better on N900
Oct 07 07:02:44 <psycho_oreos> gomiam, not that I have tried using it mind you :) I have a proper computer to do it with not to shorten the lifespan of my N900
Oct 07 07:03:36 <gomiam> psycho_oreos: lifespan or battery span? ;)
Oct 07 07:03:59 <gomiam> psycho_oreos: I converted a few short videos long time ago
Oct 07 07:04:00 <DocScrutinizer> lifespan
Oct 07 07:04:19 <psycho_oreos> either way :)
Oct 07 07:04:35 <DocScrutinizer> 600MHz is "official overclocking" and shortens lifespan of CPU to 23%
Oct 07 07:04:58 <DocScrutinizer> *to*, not by
Oct 07 07:05:00 <gomiam> DocScrutinizer: I think nobody mentioned overclocking :)
Oct 07 07:05:10 <DocScrutinizer> I did
Oct 07 07:05:45 <DocScrutinizer> N900 on stock kernel runs at 600MHz with heavy CPU load
Oct 07 07:06:00 <gomiam> DocScrutinizer: that's what nice is for ;)
Oct 07 07:07:59 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think nice will help for that (though I'm not entirely sure how cpufreq / governor will react to nicing a heavy-load-process. Would think it's still following run-to-idle strategy)
Oct 07 07:08:22 <mece> mornin'
Oct 07 07:08:28 <DocScrutinizer> moo mece 
Oct 07 07:11:55 <DocScrutinizer> check nice manpage and general scheduler concepts - nice doesn't reduce CPU clock generally, it even does nothing at all if the nice'd process is the only running process. Nice simply changes the priority which in turn decides who (which process) is next to get a timeslice. If there's no competing process, your nice'd process will still get all the timeslices available
Oct 07 07:16:49 <reenignEesreveR> also, anybody knows a robust app/script for timelapse videos?
Oct 07 07:18:00 <DocScrutinizer> or generally a *working* app for simple video postprocessing (like truncating, joining, cutting)?
Oct 07 07:18:34 <reenignEesreveR> and which also makes use of the builtin DSP
Oct 07 07:18:37 <reenignEesreveR> :)
Oct 07 07:58:32 <robbiethe1st> Well, guys, the N900's lived up to it's reputation: I just got myself a pair of broken phones, one with a so-called reboot loop problem. Turns out, just something screwy with NITDroid; reflashing the rootfs with a known-good image solved the problem
Oct 07 08:01:41 <psycho_oreos> its moreso the merrier reason that the illiterate owner got sick of woes and sold it to someone more literate :)
Oct 07 08:04:27 <robbiethe1st> Yeah. Also, someone who knows how to use Testdisk. <_<
Oct 07 08:06:09 <psycho_oreos> not necessarily :)
Oct 07 08:09:47 <robbiethe1st> No. I do.
Oct 07 08:10:12 <psycho_oreos> ahh
Oct 07 08:10:23 <robbiethe1st> Which means I've now found all sorts of media to play with. People should really reflash their phones before selling them :\
Oct 07 08:12:56 <ruskie> hehe
Oct 07 08:26:09 <Hardknox> I love N900 but is there any change to get full workable android with call for this phone ?
Oct 07 08:26:46 <Hardknox> chance*
Oct 07 08:27:21 <dm8tbr> look at nitdroid...
Oct 07 08:30:13 <Hardknox> since now I look at this project, this time I managed to buy a HTC with android and the N900 is in the drawer with the sentiment, I would finally use it or sell but hesitate because I do not know what are the current capabilities of the hardware
Oct 07 08:39:24 <DocScrutinizer> sigh
Oct 07 08:45:37 <psycho_oreos> your purpose of N900 was just to have nitdroid (android equivalent) on it? what a waste
Oct 07 08:54:14 <chem|st> Hardknox: if I want google handcouffs I buy one...
Oct 07 08:54:45 <chem|st> maemo is and will remain for a while the best phone os for n900
Oct 07 08:55:41 <robbiethe1st> Yeah. I don't get the benefit of Android...
Oct 07 08:55:43 <psycho_oreos> For some reason there are those who think putting a Ford engine in a Porsche would be cool :S
Oct 07 08:56:50 <psycho_oreos> and honestly, you'll end up looking more like a wannabe fanboy than being some real hacker who did all the hard work of porting it across and still spends time on porting it
Oct 07 08:56:56 <robbiethe1st> Well... I'd do /that/ before using Android on my N900
Oct 07 08:57:22 <psycho_oreos> porting and cursing
Oct 07 08:57:24 <robbiethe1st> Though, I'd actually go the whole way and toss out the Porsche body for a proper ford one... 
Oct 07 08:58:24 <psycho_oreos> and you end up with a Ford car by the end of all that conversions when you could have simply just buy a Ford -_-
Oct 07 08:58:34 <robbiethe1st> Yeah.
Oct 07 08:59:02 <robbiethe1st> 'course, I'd much prefer a Ford over a Porsche... I'm just that sort of person.
Oct 07 08:59:38 <psycho_oreos> I was using Ford and Porsche as an analogy for the case with maemo 5 vs android :)
Oct 07 09:00:03 <psycho_oreos> more like Nokia N900 vs HTC ???
Oct 07 09:00:03 <robbiethe1st> I know.
Oct 07 09:00:51 <robbiethe1st> I have to say, though, the N9 actually seems like it has good potential to match the N900, assuming we can work around Aegis properly.
Oct 07 09:03:27 <Hardknox> Do not have understood me well, I got rid of the N900 is not because I have a great fondness for it because it is waiting for the good times come more and more I wonder about its sales outlook because I see no instance of an update to meego as in N9
Oct 07 09:03:36 <psycho_oreos> I beg to differ, N900 = more mobile computer centric vs N9 = more smartphone centric
Oct 07 09:03:50 <robbiethe1st> Well, yeah, I noticed that
Oct 07 09:04:07 <psycho_oreos> N9 is also fyi a dead end as well
Oct 07 09:04:59 <robbiethe1st> More or less, yeah. Though, Nokia /may/ be using the UI and QT/linux on some of their low-end devices, apparently
Oct 07 09:05:16 <Hardknox> It would be even used a fully functional android on it, but from what I read on the forum nitdroid very distant future
Oct 07 09:05:17 <Hardknox> :)
Oct 07 09:06:05 <psycho_oreos> the much talked meltemi? I really don't know if that'll ever fly. Flop signed an agreement with microsoft and I thought that would bring the death of linux for nokia. I can't really imagine meltemi being a linux platform
Oct 07 09:06:30 <Hardknox> Meltemi is a pipe dream, an invention of the Internet
Oct 07 09:07:00 <robbiethe1st> Maby
Oct 07 09:07:15 <Hardknox> My close friend who works for NOKI in Oslo says this nonsense
Oct 07 09:07:33 <robbiethe1st> So they're completely getting out of the low-end phone market?
Oct 07 09:07:34 <psycho_oreos> android is slowly withering away too, look at microsoft signing deals already with the biggest handheld manufacturers because of that scare over apple patent trolling
Oct 07 09:07:37 <Hardknox> Czy chodziło Ci o: wierzę mu bo polityka NOKI znacząco się zmienia
Oct 07 09:07:37 <Hardknox> I believe him because politics has changed significantly NOKI
Oct 07 09:07:56 <maybeHere> Hardknox: but then, what do nokia employees know about their companie's strategic decisions
Oct 07 09:08:08 <Trewas> a friend working for a nokia contractor said "oh they already announced it", when there was some news about meltemi
Oct 07 09:08:10 <maybeHere> (what does nokia management know about their company's strategic decisions)
Oct 07 09:08:17 <robbiethe1st> Eh, android isn't going away. MS is signing deals, yes, but that means MS can't sue them about it.
Oct 07 09:08:31 <Hardknox> I trust him on these matters because what else troops and another to work directly under the marketing and the industry is working there
Oct 07 09:09:04 <robbiethe1st> And, of course, you have Motorola with Google behind it... we'll see some major sparks fly when MS hits them
Oct 07 09:09:25 <psycho_oreos> no no microsoft isn't suing them but apple sued these other android handheld manufacturers which is not only to win some money but also used as a scare tactic for other players to get off the android platform or face similar dire consequences
Oct 07 09:09:30 <ruskie> intellectual ventures already hit motorola
Oct 07 09:10:08 <robbiethe1st> ruskie: who? And are they fighting it?
Oct 07 09:10:59 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/07/intellectual_ventures_patent_motorola/
Oct 07 09:11:05 <ruskie> ex-m$ stuff
Oct 07 09:11:30 <ruskie> if you believe it ;)
Oct 07 09:12:49 <robbiethe1st> Well, we'll have to see what happens. Honestly, I hope google gets fed up and pays off the right people; gets proper patent reform.
Oct 07 09:12:56 <robbiethe1st> Or at least sues these people back to the stone age
Oct 07 09:13:13 <edheldil> not probable
Oct 07 09:13:23 <edheldil> you can't sue real patent trolls
Oct 07 09:13:45 <robbiethe1st> All you have to do is stall until they go bankrupt
Oct 07 09:13:51 <edheldil> because thay do not produce anything except of litigation cases
Oct 07 09:14:05 <robbiethe1st> And google has plenty of income to pay their lawyers
Oct 07 09:16:41 <Robot101> /wg #ra	
Oct 07 09:20:13 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: o/
Oct 07 09:20:36 <Robot101> DocScrutinizer: ahoy. stupid Irssi paste detection + laggy 3G
Oct 07 09:27:02 <robbiethe1st> Ok, where would I find a list of the known test points on the back of the N900?
Oct 07 09:27:21 <psycho_oreos> on the wiki page and cpkb
Oct 07 09:27:40 <robbiethe1st> Which wiki page? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic ?
Oct 07 09:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise ask me to find out about particular testpoints, using my blank PCB
Oct 07 09:28:34 <robbiethe1st> Well, I'm trying to find J5300/J5301. They look like the most likely candidates for USB connection
Oct 07 09:28:42 <robbiethe1st> And, a vbus line
Oct 07 09:28:57 <psycho_oreos> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
Oct 07 09:29:02 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
Oct 07 09:29:34 <DocScrutinizer> about D+/- and VBUS, see:
Oct 07 09:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Oct 07 09:29:40 <infobot> usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Oct 07 09:29:57 <robbiethe1st> As soon as I get my data migrated to my new, used N900, I'm going to be hacking a new USB port into my old N900, using wires from the debug pins
Oct 07 09:30:00 <psycho_oreos> http://www.cpkb.org/images/9/99/Nokia_n900_pinout.jpg
Oct 07 09:30:37 <robbiethe1st> It looks to me like I'd still have ESD protection, as I'm connecting in-line with the ESD protector diodes, though I might have to do something about Z5300
Oct 07 09:30:37 <DocScrutinizer> which isn't completely correct and also not comprehensive
Oct 07 09:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st: the methods with short wires to next component inside can nearby is the recommended method to fix a USB that's completely broken to the pads
Oct 07 09:33:13 <robbiethe1st> You mean, try to connect to the ESD protection chips?
Oct 07 09:33:20 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Oct 07 09:37:28 <DocScrutinizer> like this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Hacking#Debug_ports
Oct 07 09:37:33 <DocScrutinizer> oops nop
Oct 07 09:37:34 <Hardknox> austria =)
Oct 07 09:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=693493&postcount=12
Oct 07 09:38:55 <DocScrutinizer> check my notes on ID pin though (small red connection from 1st right to 2nd pin, next to [GND] label)
Oct 07 09:39:39 <robbiethe1st> Is ID even used?
Oct 07 09:41:54 <DocScrutinizer> well, it's connected to some circuitry, though rarely ever used in real life
Oct 07 09:42:26 <DocScrutinizer> connecting it hard to GND however is a silly thing to do
Oct 07 09:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> better keep it unconnected
Oct 07 09:43:16 <robbiethe1st> ok
Oct 07 09:47:36 <Shapeshifter> uhm how can I disable automatic upgrade notifications? as in, not sync repos automatically at all?
Oct 07 09:49:45 <Sicelo> Shapeshifter: you can't, but can extend the period before updating. check Customizing Maemo wiki page
Oct 07 09:49:46 <robbiethe1st> You can set it to an arbitrary time like 1yr between checks
Oct 07 09:50:25 <Sicelo> http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
Oct 07 09:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> heh, sicelo bet me to it
Oct 07 09:51:04 <DocScrutinizer> beats
Oct 07 09:51:10 <Sicelo> :)
Oct 07 09:51:18 <robbiethe1st> Bad, DocS! You need to be faster!
Oct 07 09:51:32 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, was busy with coffee
Oct 07 09:51:38 <robbiethe1st> 100 practice copy and pastes! Now, soldier!
Oct 07 09:51:40 <robbiethe1st> >:3
Oct 07 09:52:11 <Shapeshifter> Sicelo: thanks
Oct 07 09:57:54 <Shapeshifter> gconftool -s --type int /apps/hildon/update-notifier/check_interval 2147483647 since a bit more than 4 years is just what I need.
Oct 07 09:58:01 <Shapeshifter> 4000 years, excuse
Oct 07 09:59:07 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: there've been reports it fails completely in some weird way when value is completely outa bounds. better use something equivalent to 1 yera, or 2
Oct 07 09:59:34 <Shapeshifter> that is apparently the maximum value
Oct 07 10:00:24 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and something is truncating this max value by a bit or two (or 4 or 8)
Oct 07 10:00:59 <Shapeshifter> okay okay
Oct 07 10:01:35 <DocScrutinizer> 2147483647 is 7FFFFFFF
Oct 07 10:01:40 <Hardknox> N900 its best for watching porn =) quick swap.sh and everything is hide :D
Oct 07 10:02:18 <DocScrutinizer> aka maxint_s32
Oct 07 10:04:11 <Shapeshifter> erminig is such a buggy piece of software
Oct 07 10:04:22 <Shapeshifter> it barely works
Oct 07 10:04:41 <Shapeshifter> which is sufficient and great but really...
Oct 07 10:36:57 <robbiethe1st> Also, I'm quite happy. BM's been working great on my new N900. I loaded my older flashable image, backed up the old data on it to an image over USB, flashes emmc, PR1.3, then reflashed my flashable image, then loaded in my latest device backup via SD card.
Oct 07 10:37:34 <robbiethe1st> With any luck, I'll then just have to restore my MyDocs data and everything will be good
Oct 07 10:39:31 <reenignEesreveR> no google maps on n900? :(
Oct 07 10:39:35 <jacekowski> no
Oct 07 10:45:39 <robbiethe1st> Can't you just use the webinterface though?
Oct 07 10:46:02 <Sicelo> ~usbfix
Oct 07 10:46:02 <infobot> well, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Oct 07 10:46:04 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: sounds like pain! I skip the flashable image and be good... reflash, start backup restore, rsync /etc/ and home and I am fine...
Oct 07 10:46:24 <robbiethe1st> Well, going from a brand new device with other people's shit on it
Oct 07 10:46:39 <robbiethe1st> And someone had nitdroid, so I had to flash emmc
Oct 07 10:46:55 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: still just what I said above with any device!
Oct 07 10:47:22 <chem|st> MyDocs is part of home
Oct 07 10:47:39 <robbiethe1st> So what's the advantage? You'd still have to redownload all applications 
Oct 07 10:48:05 <robbiethe1st> Not to mention that this is about 5x faster than trying to redownload even 100mb over my connection
Oct 07 10:48:12 <chem|st> they are in the backup-restore, and just two taps away and some waiting...
Oct 07 10:48:26 <robbiethe1st> ...for it to redownload off the internet
Oct 07 10:48:30 <chem|st> well connection speed is no issue for
Oct 07 10:48:31 <chem|st> me
Oct 07 10:48:40 <robbiethe1st> I have a 1.5mbit connection.
Oct 07 10:48:45 <SpeedEvil> Also - some apps are no longer available
Oct 07 10:48:49 <robbiethe1st> ^^
Oct 07 10:48:52 <SpeedEvil> angry birds and sygic, for example.
Oct 07 10:48:53 <chem|st> the installed programs are part of the backup
Oct 07 10:49:07 <robbiethe1st> No, just the list of programs
Oct 07 10:49:12 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I dont need closed source...
Oct 07 10:49:20 <robbiethe1st> Which means if it's gone from the server, you can't get it
Oct 07 10:49:24 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: thats what I mean
Oct 07 10:49:50 <chem|st> for all things I need I have .debs anyways...
Oct 07 10:49:54 <robbiethe1st> I can tell you from previous experience... The Nokia backup tool does /not/ include the deb files.
Oct 07 10:50:06 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: I know
Oct 07 10:50:39 <chem|st> but even sygic and angrybirds are available via torrent
Oct 07 10:51:01 <reenignEesreveR> webinterface isn't integrated with gps 
Oct 07 10:51:03 <robbiethe1st> This allowed me to do stuff otherwise impossible: 1, pull files off a bricked phone. 2, load my stuff /exactly/ as I had it before; all files exactly as I had them.
Oct 07 10:51:20 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: true
Oct 07 10:51:30 <reenignEesreveR> does anybody know the status of dalvik-vm port of n900?
Oct 07 10:51:37 <chem|st> but why do you need to flash vanilla and then flash again?
Oct 07 10:52:24 * SpeedEvil wishes someone had gotten / on sd working
Oct 07 10:52:31 <robbiethe1st> Because I wanted to get CMT etc flashed to PR1.3
Oct 07 10:52:44 <robbiethe1st> I could have flashed everything /but/ the rootfs, yes
Oct 07 10:52:49 <chem|st> if it is flash once for all ok, in terms of programs not available anymore ok... but anything else is fixable... and rsync restores exactly what I need
Oct 07 10:52:55 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: harmattan ;-P
Oct 07 10:53:13 <chem|st> even installed programs as I backup persistent /
Oct 07 10:53:43 <robbiethe1st> heh. Try to restore / and you'll run into exactly what I did when I tried a year ago
Oct 07 10:54:00 <chem|st> robbiethe1st: I did that twice
Oct 07 10:54:01 <robbiethe1st> any programs that are open at the time... it'll sometimes crash the device.
Oct 07 10:54:12 <robbiethe1st> If you restore the wrong bits
Oct 07 10:54:45 <chem|st> do not restore open files... sure
Oct 07 10:55:06 <robbiethe1st> I mean... anyone can tell you that trying to restore a root backup to an in-use drive is just asking for trouble. That's why I went to all the trouble of making BM run inside a chroot
Oct 07 10:55:07 <chem|st> do not backup openfiles is more the key
Oct 07 10:55:22 <robbiethe1st> But then you don't have /everything/
Oct 07 10:55:38 <chem|st> for a good backup you have to stop all userinterfaces
Oct 07 10:55:49 <robbiethe1st> Yes. See BM.
Oct 07 10:56:35 <chem|st> I know you did a good job with BM but for me it is just another tool I don't need
Oct 07 10:57:08 <robbiethe1st> Eh, one of these days, you'll likely need it. Fortunately, you may be able to make your rsync backups compatible if needed
Oct 07 10:57:49 <chem|st> as there is no other PR coming I think it is just my restore script
Oct 07 10:58:35 <chem|st> plus backup restore
Oct 07 10:59:52 <robbiethe1st> I just hope it works.
Oct 07 11:02:27 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: show me the SD slot
Oct 07 11:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: s/mmcblk0/mmcblk1/
Oct 07 11:12:22 <robbiethe1st> Flash + HWAccel + Nvidia drivers = unstable 
Oct 07 12:03:48 <psychologe> hello
Oct 07 14:21:06 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Oct 07 15:10:54 <joejoe> hi, the image-writter from https://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook is not available the link points to http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/moblin-image-creator/plain/image-writer which responds with "502 Bad Gateway"
Oct 07 15:25:25 <Sazpaimon> anyone try the latest firefox build for maemo?
Oct 07 15:25:40 <Sazpaimon> I think they're on 8.0 and also have a qt port of 7
Oct 07 15:42:44 <Sazpaimon> actually, this qt port isnt that bad
Oct 07 15:43:01 <Sazpaimon> still get some checkerboarding, but its faster than gtk fennec
Oct 07 15:43:20 <Sazpaimon> maybe I'll try co to compile a more recent version qith qt
Oct 07 15:43:23 <Sazpaimon> *wuth
Oct 07 15:43:24 <Sazpaimon> sd'flks'd
Oct 07 15:43:28 <Sazpaimon> *WITH
Oct 07 16:33:24 <repr> Hi
Oct 07 16:33:44 * timeless wonders how much coverage http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2011/09/nokia-to-layoff-3500-employees.html has gotten
Oct 07 16:33:59 <repr> I'm looking for the fm-carkit source code, but https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6846&group_id=2006&atid=6902 points out the same issue as mine;
Oct 07 16:34:15 <repr> do you know where I'd find it?
Oct 07 16:52:17 <MohammadAG> is there a way to copy the contents of a drop down box on a site?
Oct 07 17:05:27 <timeless> MohammadAG: in js?
Oct 07 17:05:49 <timeless> you can use view-source, view-selection-source (Firefox), or some magic javascript:
Oct 07 17:06:27 <timeless> if you have a desktop browser, using DOM Inspector or an equivalent lets you copy the <select> as xhtml and then you can do whatever w/ it
Oct 07 17:06:28 <MohammadAG> timeless, what's view selection source?
Oct 07 17:06:43 <MohammadAG> I'm using firefox
Oct 07 17:06:44 <timeless> in Firefox, make a selection around the <select> and right click
Oct 07 17:06:59 <MohammadAG> it's a drop down box
Oct 07 17:07:06 <MohammadAG> right clicking it does nothing
Oct 07 17:07:15 <MohammadAG> (this http://mslworld.egged.co.il/EggedTimeTable/WebForms/wfrmMain.aspx?width=1024&language=en&company=1&state= )
Oct 07 17:07:47 <timeless> worksforme
Oct 07 17:08:00 <timeless> you make a selection of text before and after the select
Oct 07 17:08:03 <timeless> and right click the selection
Oct 07 17:09:03 <thopiekar> hi
Oct 07 17:09:17 <MohammadAG> timeless, thanks!
Oct 07 17:09:47 <thopiekar> can someone help me getting this fixed? http://pastebin.com/vpF9ZngT trying to get Hildon-Desktop build on Ubuntu Oneiric..
Oct 07 17:10:27 <thopiekar> took smoku's source and applied his patches..
Oct 07 17:10:28 <MohammadAG> timeless, another thing, the first text box has auto completion, is there a way to access the list it autocompletes from?
Oct 07 17:15:46 <OkropNick> Sometimes all my calendar reminds are stopping working (no popup, no sound). The only way to make them working again is to restart N900. Does anyone knows other way? Maybe some daemon restart or something?
Oct 07 17:19:19 <timeless> i'm sure there is :)
Oct 07 17:19:51 <timeless> ask sp3000 
Oct 07 17:35:28 <OkropNick> what is uset for launching calendar reminds? Alarmd?
Oct 07 17:35:36 <OkropNick> *used
Oct 07 17:48:11 <thopiekar> here is the term-log again using pbuilder: http://pastebin.com/VsWG4MDX
Oct 07 18:22:13 <Kowalczyk> hi. I have a question. what widget is that media player? http://i46.tinypic.com/15qckrm.png I added media player widget on mine but I dont get those "levels" stuff on the right.. how do I get that? I've seen a lot of SS with that kind of media player. but doesnt have it
Oct 07 18:44:50 * wokasaur is away: I'm busy
Oct 07 18:57:48 <C-S-B> Anywhere selling spare N900 screws in the UK?
Oct 07 19:01:25 <SpeedEvil> Farnell, but only generally small screws
Oct 07 19:04:24 <C-S-B> Who or what is Farnell?
Oct 07 19:04:46 <C-S-B> As I only need the ones that fix the screen.
Oct 07 19:04:52 <C-S-B> the longer ones are fine.
Oct 07 19:04:58 <SpeedEvil> uk.farnell.com
Oct 07 19:05:05 <SpeedEvil> A general electronics supplier
Oct 07 19:05:31 <C-S-B> and they will sell in small quantity?
Oct 07 19:05:41 <SpeedEvil> No
Oct 07 19:05:47 <SpeedEvil> Probably you'd need to buy 100
Oct 07 19:06:07 <C-S-B> fair enough. :)
Oct 07 19:06:17 <C-S-B> thank you. Now to get the part size.
Oct 07 19:07:30 <C-S-B>  M1.4x2.8  <- these are the six that fix the sliding assembly to the screen arent they?
Oct 07 19:07:57 <SpeedEvil> Unsure, I've never dissasembled it
Oct 07 19:08:56 <C-S-B> Seems obvious, but what should I search for, 'screw' seems to provide nothing.
Oct 07 19:14:39 <SpeedEvil> I They don't seem to do that size
Oct 07 19:14:43 <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/machine
Oct 07 19:14:56 <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/duratool/7179522/screw-socket-microcap-m1-6x4/dp/7179522
Oct 07 19:19:54 <C-S-B> Damn it. :( just on livechat with them
Oct 07 19:20:01 <C-S-B> looks like they dont have them. 
Oct 07 19:20:08 <C-S-B> Must be able to get them somewhere....
Oct 07 19:24:27 <abufaisal> Hi all, I plan to flash my N900 with 8G flasher. And I want to backup the application using backupmenu before I do that. Can I restore the application on the 8G version???
Oct 07 19:24:44 <Kowalczyk> hi. I have a question. what widget is that media player? http://i46.tinypic.com/15qckrm.png I added media player widget on mine but I dont get those "levels" stuff on the right.. how do I get that? I've seen a lot of SS with that kind of media player. but doesnt have it
Oct 07 19:33:53 <psycho_oreos> never heard of 8G flasher
Oct 07 19:35:32 <psycho_oreos> that's not levels Kowalczyk, that's a fake equaliser thing. It is only available on PR1.2 with standard mediaplayer and it only moves when you're actively playing a music
Oct 07 19:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Oct 07 19:35:58 <abufaisal> I mean 8GB as installable space. It is costumed image. Sorry for confusing info.
Oct 07 19:37:14 <psycho_oreos> 8GB installable space on rootfs? on /home|/opt or? in most cases its probably not possible
Oct 07 19:37:56 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, 1.1
Oct 07 19:38:03 <abufaisal> I think it is on /opt partition
Oct 07 19:38:16 <MohammadAG> I miss tunewiki
Oct 07 19:38:33 <MohammadAG> the one on android/symbian/iOS is meh
Oct 07 19:38:35 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, interesting I thought they also had it in PR1.2 but that vanished in PR1.3
Oct 07 19:38:35 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Oct 07 19:39:37 <psycho_oreos> abufaisal, you don't sound like you know what this `8GB flasher is' I'd suggest you to avoid it to prevent headaches later down the road and stick with the standard way of flashing
Oct 07 19:40:18 <abufaisal> thanks psycho_oreos
Oct 07 19:41:00 <SpeedEvil> Worst case, if it doesn't owrk, you can flash back to normal
Oct 07 19:45:24 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, sorry, 1.1.1
Oct 07 19:45:43 * MohammadAG wonders how to process a line like this <option value="2903|">West Karmel</option>
Oct 07 19:56:16 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I'm still surprised that PR1.2 doesn't have it.. I guess I should probably try that theory out on one of my devices
Oct 07 19:56:16 <DocScrutinizer> /kick $USER
Oct 07 19:57:01 <repr> export USER=DocScrutinizer
Oct 07 19:57:22 * repr hehe
Oct 07 19:57:30 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Oct 07 20:00:54 <psycho_oreos> interesting to see that script in place, /kick $USER I'm guessing its targeting me :p
Oct 07 20:09:05 <Kowalczyk> psycho_oreos: ok. so not possible to achieve now? ok thank you :)
Oct 07 20:10:04 <psycho_oreos> Kowalczyk, it probably is still somewhat possible if you're willing to install that older widget I guess
Oct 07 20:10:18 <psycho_oreos> I'm thinking it was removed probably because of battery drain
Oct 07 20:20:59 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, my N950 was shipped, it's in Leipzeg :D
Oct 07 20:25:04 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: the replacement?
Oct 07 20:27:37 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, yeah
Oct 07 20:40:02 <Corsac> MohammadAG: that's unfair, there's a lot of people wanting an n950 and you had 2!
Oct 07 20:46:14 <Macer> send me an n950 :-P
Oct 07 20:47:08 <SpeedEvil> I'd actually really like broken ones.
Oct 07 20:47:11 <SpeedEvil> To play with
Oct 07 20:55:57 <MohammadAG> mine's wit Nokia
Oct 07 20:56:00 <MohammadAG> with
Oct 07 20:57:40 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - I know.
Oct 07 21:04:23 <Macer> hm
Oct 07 21:04:53 <Kowalczyk> ok.. then I know that. that it was removed
Oct 07 21:05:21 <Kowalczyk> but I can ask for one more thing.?:)http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5497/screenshot2010010722521.png how do you get the female contacts pink? I tried adding gender but that didnt work...
Oct 07 21:07:10 <Kowalczyk> and yes I tried googling it
Oct 07 21:16:07 * Sicelo wondes if that wasn't done manually
Oct 07 21:17:02 <MohammadAG> tap the avatar?
Oct 07 21:19:46 <MohammadAG> which is what I said :p
Oct 07 21:20:20 <MohammadAG> if anyone from Israel's around https://gitorious.org/qegged/qegged
Oct 07 21:20:46 <MohammadAG> extra cities will need to be manually added to /opt/QEgged/cities/
Oct 07 22:04:05 <TiagoTiago> hi
Oct 07 22:04:07 <TiagoTiago> quick question
Oct 07 22:04:36 <TiagoTiago> where are the pages with that green button to add the devel and test repos?
Oct 07 22:06:55 <TiagoTiago> oh well, i guess i'll have to do it manually
Oct 07 22:25:07 <TiagoTiago> should i use the pwoer kernel or bfs?
Oct 07 22:27:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Oct 07 22:27:15 <infobot> [jrtools] http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Oct 07 22:28:53 <DocScrutinizer> TiagoTiago: if you don't know, I'd recommend you don't use either of both
Oct 07 22:29:02 <TiagoTiago> lol
Oct 07 22:30:17 <DocScrutinizer> generally there's no good reason to go away frm stock kernel if you don't know exactly why you want to do it
Oct 07 22:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> and bfs is actually still missing any evaluations whatsoever, and maybe even is useless from a done-for-NIH POV
Oct 07 22:35:06 <TiagoTiago> brb
Oct 07 22:42:58 <DocScrutinizer> the absolute true answer is: you'll want bfs-kernel if you want/need bfs
Oct 07 22:46:43 <DocScrutinizer> as there's been done no proper competitive comparison between cfs and bfs yet, on two otherwise identical machines side by side, and bfs aiui also introduces some tweaks to sysfs/proc adjustable (io-)scheduler params (that probably better were done via a think like swappolube rather than via kernel patches) - well for all that reasons I deprecate cfs for now
Oct 07 22:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> and of course it's still unclear if the bfs couldn't go to ("mainline"-)PK to be just an option. I.E. I am not convinced we need a new kernel flavour to bring bfs to users, if possibly by any means, bfs should go into PK rather than start a new kernel fork
Oct 07 22:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> you're aware we got no hen-kernel, no netfilter-kernel, not oc-kernel etc - maybe when you think about it you see why
Oct 07 22:53:15 <ShadowJK> what we need is a flash-aware scheduler not yet another cpu scheduler ;p
Oct 07 22:53:25 <ShadowJK> flash-aware disk scheduler
Oct 07 22:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> heh, indeed
Oct 07 22:58:18 <DocScrutinizer> s/for all that reasons I deprecate cfs for now/for all that reasons I deprecate *B*fs for now
Oct 07 23:01:04 <Psi> has anyone got the latitude updater to actually update?
Oct 07 23:02:04 <TiagoTiago> back
Oct 08 01:21:31 <SpeedEvil> How do I shut down my n900 from commandline?
Oct 08 01:21:55 <SpeedEvil> It's on the other side of the room, and is beeping due to low bat.
Oct 08 01:22:37 <RST38h> "shutdown" ?
Oct 08 01:22:42 <RST38h> "reboot" ?
Oct 08 01:30:06 <SpeedEvil> shutdown - no
Oct 08 01:30:19 <SpeedEvil> reboot works - but I think it'll come back up
Oct 08 01:40:39 <jiero> hi, I just recording a video on my Linux Desktop and found its really slow to encoding. That I had an idea, could N900 capture desktop in the video in real time?
Oct 08 02:04:51 <TiagoTiago> if you reboot it too many times in a row it won't come back, right?
Oct 08 02:28:57 <DocScrutinizer> init 6 ?
Oct 08 02:29:47 <DocScrutinizer> poweroff seems to do roughly what you asked for ;-)
Oct 08 02:30:23 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: ^^^
Oct 08 02:48:42 <DocScrutinizer> though probably you found the cmdline way to charge it without plugging it to a charger meanwhile :-D
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