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Oct 13 06:38:15 <Evanescence> Is there a way to change user's default shell ? I want to change ash into bash4
Oct 13 06:38:27 <woldrich> chsh
Oct 13 06:39:22 <Evanescence> woldrich: error: you may not change the shell for user
Oct 13 06:39:45 <woldrich> as root
Oct 13 06:39:47 <Evanescence> woldrich: "user" is the default name for Maemo5
Oct 13 06:40:02 <woldrich> yes, I know, I'm in #maemo as well :)
Oct 13 06:41:01 <Evanescence> woldrich: changed, thanks
Oct 13 06:52:53 <mece> Evanescence, you can install bash and then set that as default
Oct 13 06:57:46 <Evanescence> mece: yes, I installed, and changed default ash already, thanks still
Oct 13 07:08:14 <iuuso> Evanescence: how did you change ash -> bash?
Oct 13 07:08:36 <iuuso> i would be interested for doing that also.
Oct 13 07:08:48 <Evanescence> iuuso: sudo gainroot ; chsh user ( set to /bin/bash4 )
Oct 13 07:09:03 <iuuso> thanks.
Oct 13 07:10:56 <Evanescence> I find ~/.bashrc can not used by bash4. does anyone know it ?
Oct 13 07:11:28 <LaoLang_cool> you can set it in /etc/passwd
Oct 13 07:12:02 <LaoLang_cool> nick:*:1001:1001:full name:/home/nick:/bin/bash
Oct 13 07:12:12 <LaoLang_cool> works on FreeBSD ;p
Oct 13 08:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder if evanescene can still boot now
Oct 13 08:26:40 <DocScrutinizer> I'd honestly prefer to set the shell invoked by xterm and sshd to bash, rather than changing user's default shell which will have impact on the way the system boots
Oct 13 08:28:45 <DocScrutinizer> but I think it's not bash itself that borks boot, it's the unix-toolbox that introduces some commands that are not "compatible" to busybox' crippled version - dunno if that problem got fixed in initscripts by Nokia meanwhile
Oct 13 08:31:32 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# echo $PATH
Oct 13 08:31:34 <DocScrutinizer> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11
Oct 13 08:33:43 <DocScrutinizer> PATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.")
Oct 13 08:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> I've not completed the above "project"
Oct 13 08:56:46 <ColdFyre> on my n900 i'm trying to change the images used for the battery/gsm indicator in the themes but i can't find where that is..
Oct 13 08:59:24 <Sicelo> ColdFyre: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Icons
Oct 13 09:00:04 <ColdFyre> aha, thanks
Oct 13 09:52:40 <massoud> hi there : i got my /root and /home/user/MyDocs/ dirs empty after a dist-upgrade on my n900 :(
Oct 13 09:52:54 <massoud> can't acces my .sounds dir for instance
Oct 13 09:55:08 <massoud> can i fsck my FS or fix that ?
Oct 13 09:55:11 <sat2050> and how did you manage that
Oct 13 09:55:18 <sat2050> i dont think so
Oct 13 09:56:07 <Sicelo> dist-upgrade shouldn't be performed on N900
Oct 13 09:56:29 <Sicelo> so, we assume it still boots, is it?
Oct 13 09:59:17 <MohammadAG> is it in mass storage mode?
Oct 13 10:43:25 <jiero> is the N9 upgrade backporting to N900 as the kernel source released?
Oct 13 10:45:54 <massoud> Sicelo: yes it still boots and everything works except those dirs are empty
Oct 13 10:46:42 <massoud> dont understand why the fs does not see those dirs
Oct 13 10:51:11 <andre__> jiero, what upgrade?
Oct 13 10:53:48 <jiero> andre_ I just read nokia released N9's kernel source.
Oct 13 10:54:01 <jiero> just wonder if that affect N900
Oct 13 10:54:21 <andre__> in which way?
Oct 13 10:54:37 <edheldil> I hope it's not "Good for nothing, because aegis" release :)
Oct 13 10:55:45 <jiero> I don't know which way is proper but still Nokia cease developement for N900 long ago.
Oct 13 10:56:19 <jiero> N9 must have fixed some problems occured on N900 I guess.
Oct 13 11:40:53 <DocScrutinizer> massoud: dist-upgrade is absolutely deprecated and known to ruin your system
Oct 13 11:43:50 <DocScrutinizer> massoud: I don't exactly understand why and how it nuked your MyDocs and ~root dir, but anyway I don't think there's any chance to recover except restoring from backup, esp for ~root (for MyDocs I suggest you first check if it's mounted at all -> mount|grep home)
Oct 13 11:48:47 <DocScrutinizer> aslo df -h /home/user/MyDocs
Oct 13 11:48:54 <DocScrutinizer> also*
Oct 13 11:49:10 <DocScrutinizer>  /dev/mmcblk0p1         28G   27G  546M  99% /home/user/MyDocs
Oct 13 13:16:16 <Jartza> RIP Dennis Ritchie
Oct 13 13:17:07 <SpeedEvil> :/
Oct 13 13:46:54 <DocScrutinizer51> so this is driving me nuts now...
Oct 13 13:49:01 <ysss> USB ports?
Oct 13 13:49:13 <DocScrutinizer51> I made xchat autostart by editing the .desktop file in /usr/share/applications/hildon. But now there's no way to revert to normal as restoring original xchat.desktop doesn't stop the autostart :-(  Any suggestions?
Oct 13 13:50:25 <DocScrutinizer51> other than completely uninstalling xchat, then hope autostart be gone after I reinstalled
Oct 13 13:52:07 <DocScrutinizer51> hildon-* _somewhere_ stores this autostart property persistently and oesn't revert it on restoring original .desktop file
Oct 13 13:53:20 <edheldil> somewhere in ~/ , perhaps?
Oct 13 13:53:52 <DocScrutinizer51> dunno, thought I checked the usual suspects
Oct 13 13:56:22 <edheldil> what about ~user/.sso-autologin.prefs ?
Oct 13 13:57:56 * DocScrutinizer51 fires up a find ~user/.* -name '*xchat*'
Oct 13 13:58:02 <DocScrutinizer51> fsck
Oct 13 13:58:13 <DocScrutinizer51> searches ../* as well
Oct 13 13:59:37 <jaska> i usually use .??* but that wont work for .x or .y etc
Oct 13 14:00:34 <edheldil> I use .[a-zA-Z0-9]*
Oct 13 14:01:41 <jaska> also zsh doesnt expand .* to .. :)
Oct 13 14:03:22 <DocScrutinizer51> find ~user/.[^.]* -name '*xchat*'
Oct 13 14:03:29 <DocScrutinizer51> no luck
Oct 13 14:05:13 <DocScrutinizer51> somebody mentioned xdg iirc
Oct 13 14:07:07 <frals> man, ios5 is so awesome... http://p.twimg.com/AbpAJ70CMAA5LMQ.jpg
Oct 13 14:07:23 <frals> so device is set to swedish, i get message in english, accept button in english and cancel in finnish?
Oct 13 14:07:39 <kerio> frals: also the whole app store in english
Oct 13 14:07:48 <frals> kerio: no, the bottom bar is in finnish
Oct 13 14:07:58 <kerio> closest itunes store?
Oct 13 14:08:00 <kerio> \_o_/
Oct 13 14:08:12 <frals> i have no fucking clue what its doing, but it aint right
Oct 13 14:08:31 <kerio> well, ovi store doesn't have these problems ¬.¬
Oct 13 14:08:36 <SpeedEvil> Shotgun localisation.
Oct 13 14:08:45 <SpeedEvil> 'One of these must be right!'
Oct 13 14:09:03 <edheldil> DocScrutinizer:  I don't see xdg utils on my phone
Oct 13 14:10:11 <kerio> is there a way to flash the fiasco/combined images from the n900 itself?
Oct 13 14:10:23 <kerio> i mean, from another OS
Oct 13 14:12:04 <DocScrutinizer51> /var/lib/gconf/apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets/TaskShortcut:xchat.desktop   maybe this one??
Oct 13 14:12:22 <edheldil> DocScrutinizer:  just wanted to recommend to look there :)
Oct 13 14:12:43 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm
Oct 13 14:13:02 <edheldil> also ... have you looked INTO the files in ~user?
Oct 13 14:16:17 <DocScrutinizer51> '
Oct 13 14:16:37 * DocScrutinizer51 burps - just gibberish in there
Oct 13 14:16:48 <kerio> i mean, is there a flasher for... say, nitdroid or meego, that lets you flash the nokia images
Oct 13 14:16:49 <kerio> ?
Oct 13 14:16:51 <DocScrutinizer51> edheldil: not yet
Oct 13 14:20:14 * DocScrutinizer51 fires a grep, frown about tracker-db hits for pixchat, and heads out for a walk
Oct 13 15:46:35 <DocScrutinizer> hmmmmmm .local/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop
Oct 13 15:48:44 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha, even -rw-r--r--  1 root     root         530  05. Mär 2011 xchat.desktop  
Oct 13 15:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> in ~user/.local...
Oct 13 15:49:23 <DocScrutinizer> my fault, I guess
Oct 13 15:51:37 <DocScrutinizer> yoh, sudo rm ~user/.local/share/applications/hildon/xchat.desktop --- done
Oct 13 15:52:00 * DocScrutinizer headdesks
Oct 13 15:52:03 * rm_work waves
Oct 13 16:34:18 <Caminomaster> hi everyone
Oct 13 16:34:37 <flat`> ho
Oct 13 16:35:05 <Caminomaster> I have 2008 in my n810
Oct 13 16:35:57 <Caminomaster>  i haven't upgraded but I'd read about
Oct 13 16:36:08 <Caminomaster> ""
Oct 13 16:36:17 <Caminomaster> "seamless update"
Oct 13 16:36:26 <Caminomaster> how I can do it?
Oct 13 17:12:12 <andre__> Caminomaster: 5.2008.43-7 was the last version for the n810
Oct 13 18:43:47 <ruskie> http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Bluebird-Soft-BIP6000Max/ <-- interesting
Oct 13 19:26:14 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmmm
Oct 13 19:50:38 <DocScrutinizer> ruskie: thanks :-D
Oct 13 19:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> *bookmarked*
Oct 13 20:01:26 <DocScrutinizer> MUHAHAHAAAAA http://www.sdgsystems.com/estore/cart.php?target=category&category_id=17
Oct 13 20:05:14 <Sicelo> what dollars are those?
Oct 13 20:09:01 <trx> lol
Oct 13 21:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: was it you who knew a bit about general and hildon specific key-value tupels in *.desktop ?
Oct 13 21:01:41 <javispedro> uh..
Oct 13 21:01:45 <javispedro> I'm starting to forget =)
Oct 13 21:01:58 <RST38h> sclerosis!
Oct 13 21:03:42 <DocScrutinizer> aah probably dneary
Oct 13 21:03:48 <DocScrutinizer> anyway
Oct 13 21:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> anybody got a clue about X-Maemo-Prestarted in .desktop?
Oct 13 21:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> X-Maemo-Prestarted=always works here, but restarts app as soon as you close it. X-Maemo-Prestarted=true - as suggested in http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_file_format - doesn't seem to have *any* effect
Oct 13 21:05:30 <FIQ|n900> wild guess: if it should print the program output for next start
Oct 13 21:05:52 <FIQ|n900> s/output/screen/
Oct 13 21:05:53 <infobot> FIQ|n900 meant: wild guess: if it should print the program screen for next start
Oct 13 21:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> nope, it's about starting that program on next boot
Oct 13 21:07:02 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=957502#post957502
Oct 13 21:09:27 <DocScrutinizer> I'd just like to know if there's any parameter for that key to make it start the app only once, instead of restarting it when it closes, like "always" does
Oct 13 21:10:29 <javispedro> probably not
Oct 13 21:10:35 <javispedro> either way, h-d source is definite source here
Oct 13 21:11:15 <DocScrutinizer> yup, just hoped sb has a link to the right file, so I could look it up
Oct 13 21:11:38 <DocScrutinizer> (no h-d source local here)
Oct 13 21:11:57 <DocScrutinizer> lemme try gogle :-P
Oct 13 21:12:01 <DocScrutinizer> google even
Oct 13 21:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line113
Oct 13 21:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> WUT??! http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.h#line69
Oct 13 21:21:43 <DocScrutinizer> so, X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage ???
Oct 13 21:23:45 <DocScrutinizer> looks pretty much like a "bug"
Oct 13 21:40:13 <DocScrutinizer> also looks like the function starting at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line105 should return 1 aka "better than 'NONE' but less than 'ALWAYS'" for all (even invalid) values for X-Maemo-Prestarted= except X-Maemo-Prestarted=none and X-Maemo-Prestarted=always
Oct 13 21:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> actually nope, not even #define HD_APP_PRESTART_NONE_STRING     "none"  gets tested for, so X-Maemo-Prestarted=none should also return res from HdLauncherAppPrestartMode res = HD_APP_PRESTART_USAGE;  in http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/launcher/hd-launcher-app.c#line108
Oct 13 21:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?!
Oct 13 21:43:22 <DocScrutinizer> am I completely losing my c-fu ?
Oct 13 21:43:34 <DocScrutinizer> or is this completely odd?
Oct 13 21:44:24 <javispedro> probably trye
Oct 13 21:44:26 <javispedro> *true
Oct 13 21:47:30 <DocScrutinizer> what is true?
Oct 13 21:48:03 <DocScrutinizer> that I'm getting senile, or what I concluded, or maybe the parameter for that key?
Oct 13 21:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> friggin gitorious doesn't even offer grep 
Oct 13 21:48:35 <javispedro> that setting it to none would inadvertently turn it on
Oct 13 21:48:45 <javispedro> you also have mxr.maemo.org ;P
Oct 13 21:48:59 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Oct 13 21:51:42 <jiero> AMD Ports Open-Source Linux Driver To Windows Embedded LOL
Oct 13 21:51:48 <jiero> latest news...
Oct 13 22:00:17 <DocScrutinizer> MEH http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1170
Oct 13 22:03:52 <DocScrutinizer> 1189
Oct 13 22:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> wow hahaha http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1606
Oct 13 22:16:52 <DocScrutinizer>  /* First check if we are really low on memory. */  /* If there are prestarted apps, kill one of them. */
Oct 13 22:21:25 <DocScrutinizer> it's actually amazing that it works at all
Oct 13 22:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> where's mhd source? javispedro, MohammadAG?
Oct 13 22:27:56 <DocScrutinizer> or a more specific question: did somebody already try to fix this mess?
Oct 13 22:28:21 <javispedro> the mess is because prestarting is not exactly the same as autostarting, from the h-d designer' eyes
Oct 13 22:28:36 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, gathered as much
Oct 13 22:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> if only from the line * TODO: Add some way to avoid waking-up apps from being shown immediately o the user as if launched anew.
Oct 13 22:32:13 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/new-arrivals - I sense a theme.
Oct 13 22:32:34 <DocScrutinizer> anyway "fixing" this seems wrt X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage seems "easy enough", just don't add the app to the list of prestarted apps that aiui is the list that h-d periodically checks and probably also makes apps restart if user quits them
Oct 13 22:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> obviously they planned sth like that, but realized they don't need it for the main goal of preloading apps
Oct 13 22:35:26 <DocScrutinizer> so all the bugs and left_outs about X-Maemo-Prestarted=usage  went unnoticed, as it never got used or tested
Oct 13 23:03:24 <DocScrutinizer> (just don't add) nah, sorry, aiui the list is built and then later on processed. So add those usage apps to the list with a proper flag that they are "usage" not "always", and remove each app from list as soon as it got started if that particular app is a usage app
Oct 13 23:05:14 <DocScrutinizer> apps are added to list here: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1107
Oct 13 23:10:08 <DocScrutinizer> then  hd_app_mgr_state_check (); calls (cyclic) processing of that list - http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/hildon-desktop/src/launcher/hd-app-mgr.c#1663 is starting apps in that list and should remove apps that are not "always" from the list after starting
Oct 13 23:18:50 <DocScrutinizer> ooops, not really. The whole thing works via org_freedesktop_DBus_start_service_by_name_async() and "%s: Can't prestart an app without service.\n"
Oct 13 23:20:00 <DocScrutinizer> probably it's hopeless to clean this up, way easier to implement a simple autostart dir executed by a script that gets started form xsession
Oct 13 23:33:39 * RST38h wakes up, kills a hampster.
Oct 14 00:36:57 <sulphur> hi there
Oct 14 00:37:11 <sulphur> anybody willing to help me with some issues?
Oct 14 00:42:44 <joga> sulphur, best to just ask away so idlers can see what it's about
Oct 14 00:43:28 <sulphur> well it is concerning msf4 postgres db_driver
Oct 14 00:43:59 <joga> so what's the problem with it?
Oct 14 00:44:18 <sulphur> i cannot install the ruby-postgres gem because of dependencies 
Oct 14 00:45:28 <joga> can you elaborate a bit
Oct 14 00:45:29 <sulphur> the same is for libpq-dev. my situation here is that when i even try to install any of the missing dependencies i still get errors 
Oct 14 00:46:12 <joga> what's the error?
Oct 14 00:46:49 <sulphur> ok give a sec :)
Oct 14 00:47:41 <joga> where are you installing it anyway? ;)
Oct 14 00:47:59 <sulphur> i am trying to install it via apt-get install
Oct 14 00:48:15 <sulphur> lets say now im trying to install libpq-dev
Oct 14 00:48:39 <sulphur> the dependency here is missing libssl-dev
Oct 14 00:49:28 <joga> guess it's not in the repos?
Oct 14 00:49:42 <joga> I assume you're using maemo on n900, maybe easydebian might help?
Oct 14 00:50:22 <joga> I don't know about that package specifically, but when I've wanted something that's not packaged for maemo, I've used easydebian
Oct 14 00:50:47 <sulphur> so u would reccomend easydebian
Oct 14 00:50:57 <sulphur> for installing packages trough it right?
Oct 14 00:51:10 <joga> well, and running them
Oct 14 00:51:50 <joga> personally I've mostly used it to run some apps, maybe a desktop, and compile simple stuff
Oct 14 00:52:33 <joga> I'm not recommending anything, just saying :) I'm not sure what your goal is
Oct 14 00:52:46 <sulphur> well my goal is to run
Oct 14 00:52:50 <sulphur> the postgres gem 
Oct 14 00:53:15 <sulphur> and install the libpq-dev packages to start the postgresql database in msf4
Oct 14 00:53:16 <sulphur> :)
Oct 14 00:53:18 <joga> and what else? on n900?
Oct 14 00:53:29 <sulphur> yeah
Oct 14 00:55:24 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Mitt Romney reveals he tried to hire Steve Ballmer
Oct 14 00:55:30 * RST38h wonders what for
Oct 14 01:03:54 <luke-jr_> RST38h: sarcasm? it's so obvious :P
Oct 14 01:21:06 <RST38h> luke: ?
Oct 14 01:21:48 <RST38h> ritual chair-throw executions of political opponents? =)
Oct 14 02:14:19 <TiagoTiago> does the speed or battery patch automaticly loades an overclocking profile?
Oct 14 02:21:01 <TiagoTiago> nv, found the answer (yes it does)
Oct 14 02:21:04 <TiagoTiago> nvm*
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