**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 16 02:59:57 2011 Oct 16 02:59:57 Copy everything from / into /home/user/chroot (or wherever) Oct 16 03:00:11 but you cant even optify the locales without problems Oct 16 03:00:14 chroot /home/user/chroot/bin/sh Oct 16 03:00:19 or the themes Oct 16 03:00:21 then dpkg -i whatever Oct 16 03:00:30 You're not touching the original OS Oct 16 03:00:37 ah Oct 16 03:00:38 you're creating a clone of the image that runs in a chroot Oct 16 03:01:21 tramp: that's why optification got invented, otherwise they could have followed FHS without problems (they still could of only they moved things like locale and icons to the right locations) Oct 16 03:01:36 s/icons/themes/. Oct 16 03:01:38 wouldnt that make you have to run different progs in different ways Oct 16 03:02:33 no Oct 16 03:02:43 e.g... Oct 16 03:02:59 /bin/sh would not be chroot'd, right Oct 16 03:03:11 nor any other system program Oct 16 03:03:13 sure it is Oct 16 03:03:36 so its coped Oct 16 03:03:41 copied* Oct 16 03:03:48 you copied /bin to /home/MyDevelDir/bin Oct 16 03:03:50 exists on rootfs and emmc Oct 16 03:04:15 as well as /usr Oct 16 03:04:23 just those two Oct 16 03:04:34 err Oct 16 03:04:47 it would req /var and Oct 16 03:05:14 ...everything lol Oct 16 03:05:32 i havent used chroot Oct 16 03:06:02 im sure it'd work, i just dont know why yet Oct 16 03:06:13 hmm Oct 16 03:06:26 have you done this before Oct 16 03:07:14 see easy-debian Oct 16 03:07:57 see scratchbox as well Oct 16 03:07:58 no, it couldnt work, the desktop shortcuts would need fixing, unless you can chroot hildon as well Oct 16 03:08:13 (yes i was thinking easy-debian) Oct 16 03:08:30 you're not supposed to run hildon-desktop in that chroot environment Oct 16 03:09:01 it's your *development* environment, remember? Oct 16 03:09:32 so only g++ is installed there Oct 16 03:09:40 and other dev Oct 16 03:09:44 not your desktop&gaming&calendar&make-phonecalls environment Oct 16 03:09:48 *-dev Oct 16 03:10:56 ok thats neat, i should do that Oct 16 03:11:10 but have you considered the other use case Oct 16 03:11:20 of installing apps from soure Oct 16 03:11:25 source* Oct 16 03:11:37 never done on maemo Oct 16 03:11:46 wait Oct 16 03:12:03 (...really!?) Oct 16 03:12:39 no, cancel the 'wait' proceed with consideration of use-case Oct 16 03:13:12 I proceed with Saturday night leisure o/ Oct 16 03:13:19 i had to install irssi from source just to get the latest version which didnt have a most annoying error Oct 16 03:13:46 i also had to recompile it with --with-perl to run my notify script Oct 16 03:14:12 yes saturday night leisure ofc ^^ Oct 16 03:14:42 and if you had done all that in scratchbox on your PC instead, you could've uploaded it to the repo even Oct 16 03:15:18 unfortunately, my pc was stolen Oct 16 03:15:22 instead of cluttering your phone with all that gcc stuff Oct 16 03:15:44 hmm Oct 16 03:17:27 still, for a simple linux user. non-developer, it is impractical to install scratchbox and interface with a PC in leiu of 'make install' Oct 16 03:17:38 nobody ever installs from source on maemo, as obviously the most important tools for that are frequently missing on the target platform Oct 16 03:18:15 i didnt find it too hard Oct 16 03:18:32 as getting build-essentials and all the maemo and whatnot libs on the N900 was any less impractical Oct 16 03:18:53 i just fixed the dependencies and installed my prog to get my phone to do wonderful things Oct 16 03:19:17 gn8 Oct 16 03:20:04 i dont need build-essentials for most things. or at least it was a small issue if i did Oct 16 03:20:24 i dont even remember if i installed it this flash Oct 16 03:20:49 nope Oct 16 03:21:47 ew i had to install rdiff-backup and git from source to get it on my phone Oct 16 03:22:32 i think git had problems from the repo Oct 16 03:23:07 ive found installing from source invaluable for testing progs on the n900 Oct 16 03:23:41 subsequently, i will be packaging them and uploading them to the repo Oct 16 03:26:34 so to sum it up shouldnt g++ be optified and placed in extras with higher priority than the one in tools? Oct 16 03:30:17 DocScrutinizer: By gn8, did you mean goodnight? Oct 16 03:31:42 Thanks for all your input. Oct 16 06:36:15 hey, people who was good about usb host mode? Oct 16 06:36:40 I have i2c-tiny-usb adapter, and ds1621 temperature sensor connected to it Oct 16 06:37:04 I can test with i2c-tiny-usb test ui program Oct 16 06:37:35 However... for example, usbmode software forces N810 to restart when I switch it to host mode. Oct 16 06:37:49 There's also usbcontrol, it seems it does not restart NIT such often. Oct 16 06:37:59 But why reboot? Oct 16 06:39:55 bug Oct 16 06:40:25 am Oct 16 06:40:33 usbmode software bug? Oct 16 06:40:43 usbcontrol performes better? Oct 16 06:40:53 Will it help if I install community SSU? Oct 16 06:41:10 dunno, never noticed a reboot on N810 due to hostmode Oct 16 06:41:15 hmmm... Oct 16 06:41:35 I even have here two N810's, both are restarting sometimes... Oct 16 06:41:45 ok, will try to find out more and post here. Oct 16 06:41:58 yeah mine too, but unrelated to hostmode Oct 16 06:43:26 hmmm... for example, it can reboot when I close usbcontrol software Oct 16 06:43:46 and it was previously switched to host mode. Oct 16 07:20:32 DocScrutinizer: okay, so, I turn it to host mode with usbcontrol - that's ok, then I run i2c-tiny-usb-demo - it's ok, it shows me temperature, then I close i2c-tiny-usb-demo program, and n810 reboots. At the moment when I close it. Oct 16 07:46:00 Hi. I noticed that status-area-orientationlock-applet (and probably some other things related to CSSU) is missing Swedish text. Is this a bug, intended (hm...), or is strings just missing? Oct 16 07:46:36 s/or is/or are/ Oct 16 07:46:36 FIQ|n900 meant: Hi. I noticed that status-area-orientationlock-applet (and probably some other things related to CSSU) is missing Swedish text. Is this a bug, intended (hm...), or are strings just missing? Oct 16 07:48:17 god morgon Oct 16 09:26:39 Hi guys Oct 16 09:26:49 Facing a problem with my speaker on my n900. Though it was hardware related and disassembled the phone like this Oct 16 09:27:00 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41646&highlight=handset+speaker&page=4 Oct 16 09:27:12 ... but no sucess Oct 16 09:27:27 Sound is working on the "stereo speakers".... but not on the "ear speaker". Oct 16 09:27:45 you've tried flashing? Oct 16 09:28:10 Not related to this problem. Oct 16 09:28:17 I would like to avoid that Oct 16 09:28:37 unless i have tried something easier Oct 16 09:28:59 Hoping someone has a quick fix in here Oct 16 09:31:44 You've first tried different headphones, I assume? Oct 16 09:32:03 Not headphones Oct 16 09:32:09 The internal speaker Oct 16 09:32:18 There are two types Oct 16 09:32:29 One that goes to the ear Oct 16 09:32:42 and a set of stereo speakers Oct 16 09:32:52 The problem is when I get a call Oct 16 09:33:01 I can't hear people talking Oct 16 09:33:08 unless I click "speaker". Oct 16 09:33:24 Then it is routed to the stereo speakers Oct 16 09:33:40 But then everyone can hear the conversation Oct 16 09:33:58 So the sound is there Oct 16 09:34:34 ... just not working on the speaker on the top, where you put it to the ear Oct 16 09:34:37 Ah Oct 16 09:34:42 yep Oct 16 09:34:55 The speaker is available to nokia as a spare part. Oct 16 09:35:24 Ok - you think it is a hardware issue after all then? Oct 16 09:35:34 There used to be vendors that would sell it independantly - I'm unsure if it's still availabel. Get the maintainance manual, and google thepart number. Oct 16 09:35:45 DocScrutinizer: any thoughts on sources for it? Oct 16 09:36:05 (little speaker in phone) Oct 16 10:38:25 Hi, I got a problem: the N900's gtalk account not having any contacts. Oct 16 10:46:29 SpeedEvil: sorry nope Oct 16 10:47:29 SpeedEvil: might be a starting FPC-failure as well Oct 16 10:49:34 I suggest Nokia care center Oct 16 11:03:43 how do I retrieve an application that've been 'minimezed to tray'? what's the tray? Oct 16 11:03:49 specificly, xchat Oct 16 11:13:14 good question - I think in xchat that option is pointless. At least it seems to do nothing here Oct 16 11:14:08 basically tray would be the system area and menu on maemo Oct 16 11:15:05 so *if* that xchat option does anything, it should show a button in system menu Oct 16 11:24:38 I've recently reinstalled iNes after a long time, but it seems to crash on startup now... Anyone here have experience with that? Oct 16 11:45:19 I don't understand xchat. I connect to freenode, issue /j #channel, and it creates an empty window called #channel instead of actually joining the channel on the network I am connected to. sigh Oct 16 11:48:59 works for me Oct 16 11:49:05 woldrich: eh? Oct 16 11:50:05 woldrich: that's exactly the way xchat works (basically same as Konversation does): new channel gets opened in own tab Oct 16 11:50:16 what? Oct 16 11:50:31 oh shit Oct 16 11:50:33 what did you expect? All channels cram up their text in the server tab? Oct 16 11:51:03 server tab? ... I expected to be able to switch between buffers, one channel per buffer Oct 16 11:51:21 well, that's exactly what the tabs are Oct 16 11:51:37 right Oct 16 11:52:59 btw the window (actually tab) won't be empty when you open it second time, rather it reloads history Oct 16 11:53:01 I think I'll use ii instead ... as it seems I can't get rid of xchat once it's started, without having to exit it Oct 16 11:53:32 errrr, sorry. I can't make sense from your requirements Oct 16 11:53:49 okay, look: start xchat Oct 16 11:54:32 connect and join channel. How do you make it not show up in the alternate view, as a window? I want to background it, or whatever it's called in gui speak Oct 16 11:55:39 I don't want to see the xchat window every time I go looking for another application in the menu or when I'm looking for another application's window Oct 16 11:59:32 well, xchat IS an application. Maemo has no means and concept to hide applications from appchooser (aka taskswitcher) view Oct 16 12:00:08 btw if xchat was hidden there, may I ask what's your plan to go back to see it? Oct 16 12:00:40 I somehow doubt your xchat looks anything similar to http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10054 Oct 16 12:01:04 maybe you selected "open channels in new windows" in preferences? Oct 16 12:02:20 that's be indeed annoying - to have 20 or 30 little xchat views in taskswitcher, one for each channel I opened Oct 16 12:04:19 may I suggest you test the config files at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/ Oct 16 12:04:33 they go to ~user/.xchat2 Oct 16 12:05:32 I recall xchat actually had annoying default settings out of the box, when I first installed it ~2 years ago Oct 16 12:09:22 DocScrutinizer, I'd expect either an icon where the battery indicator is, or, that when I press the icon on the desktop, it'd show me the window of the already running xchat process Oct 16 12:09:44 thanks. Oct 16 12:09:49 never seem *any* such app on maemo Oct 16 12:10:59 I think I'll go with ii, it seems much easier for my purposes. thanks for the clarifications Oct 16 12:11:52 ooh, tell me what that is please. I'd really like to see an app that hides in system bar Oct 16 12:12:37 it doesn't Oct 16 12:12:43 MHM Oct 16 12:12:54 http://tools.suckless.org/ii/ Oct 16 12:13:41 there is no "sys tray" on maemo, in qt libs that part isn't even present afaik Oct 16 12:14:09 how does pidgin do it? Oct 16 12:14:31 custom plugin/desktop widget i have no idea, i dont use it Oct 16 12:14:56 * DocScrutinizer fails to see how ii is anything else than xchat on ncurses Oct 16 12:15:06 huh? Oct 16 12:15:14 ii isn't ncurses Oct 16 12:15:26 it's a filesystem based irc client Oct 16 12:16:01 uhuh, so I look at channels by doing # cat /ii/#mychannel; or what? Oct 16 12:16:18 something like that Oct 16 12:16:29 great! *cough* Oct 16 12:17:00 yeah. because you can easily build your own interface around it Oct 16 12:17:26 it's not very practical as the irc client you use everyday Oct 16 12:17:29 indeed, and you'll probably want to do that -- to end with sth like xchat Oct 16 12:18:58 I'm only interested in specific 'highlights'; when a message matches given pattern, either show a notification or, which is the primary goal, execute arbitary commands. I'm not going to sit and tail -f and try to follow along in conversations :p Oct 16 12:19:18 ouch Oct 16 12:19:46 for that sort of usecase IRC is the wrong protocol, definitely Oct 16 12:19:49 tail -f | grep then ;) Oct 16 12:20:08 DocScrutinizer, better suggestion? Oct 16 12:20:14 n900 irc bot :D Oct 16 12:20:17 "i have now left the building" Oct 16 12:20:18 woldrich: use irssi with triggers Oct 16 12:20:40 doesn't sound as easy :) Oct 16 12:20:51 hmm Oct 16 12:21:01 are there any examples on gps location and python? Oct 16 12:21:21 yep, get a box, a bouncer like ZNC or BIP, and write a plugin that transfers data to your device *ONLY* when there's relevant info to transfer. Otherwise your data connection (possibly 3G) will cut thru your battery in no time, for nuttin Oct 16 12:22:10 the n900 is always connected to a power supply, and I use a 100/10 fiber connection Oct 16 12:22:10 i don't trust google Oct 16 12:22:17 i'm looking to write my own script and add it to cron Oct 16 12:22:32 that reports the location every then and now with a simple get request Oct 16 12:22:48 woldrich: aah, abusing it as microserver Oct 16 12:23:04 something like that :) Oct 16 12:23:14 lol 100/10 Oct 16 12:23:17 well, then probably you really want to use a IRC library or daemon, like ii Oct 16 12:23:22 like n900 will ever reach that Oct 16 12:24:46 I'm looking for more n900's to buy, but when I checked the prices they're almost the DOUBLE of what it was when I bought the first one, 1.5 years ago. insane. They're much cheaper in the uk though Oct 16 12:25:53 woldrich: nevertheless I'd probably opt to go for sth like dropegg then, rather than using ii and building sth around it Oct 16 12:26:42 siri? Oct 16 12:26:59 any siri like feature for N900 Oct 16 12:28:08 what's siri? Oct 16 12:28:30 iphone 4s new feature :p Oct 16 12:28:39 speech to text and then queries wolfram alpha Oct 16 12:28:50 WTF is iPhone? ;-P Oct 16 12:29:00 and some other fancy stuff Oct 16 12:29:18 aaah, raher smart. I guess it's a webservice though Oct 16 12:29:18 http://imgur.com/ZqeHu like this... :D Oct 16 12:29:21 yes Oct 16 12:29:32 it uses woflram alpha for the answers Oct 16 12:29:45 not for questions like that though Oct 16 12:29:57 well, implement a client to that webservice on maemo - much appreciated but I think it's maybe getting hard Oct 16 12:30:14 I know wolfram alpha Oct 16 12:30:34 speech to text could be a problem Oct 16 12:30:50 but I definitely doubt stt is done on-board Oct 16 12:31:23 I bet they are offloading it to a server in the "cloud" Oct 16 12:31:30 probably Oct 16 12:31:54 hack that to n900 and i'll give you a banana Oct 16 12:33:07 exactly Oct 16 12:33:54 again I got that deja-vu feeling as if this feature been around since years, just apple did it new and in a working way now Oct 16 12:35:02 Until present to User in complete form. User never know it. Oct 16 12:35:25 anyway there's a semi-working stt daemon on maemo Oct 16 12:35:44 not for arbitrary text though Oct 16 12:35:59 http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API Oct 16 12:36:10 is the complete example supposed to keep running and printing the location? Oct 16 12:36:13 errr Oct 16 12:44:01 ah i see it lol Oct 16 12:44:02 nevermind Oct 16 14:10:13 hi Oct 16 14:30:30 guess no-one is here :P Oct 16 16:31:15 help how to install kernel 49 Oct 16 17:21:10 DocScrutinizer, you have an app 'booston'? Oct 16 17:21:28 * jack_lt trying to get usb working on n900 Oct 16 17:21:35 DocScrutinizer51, Oct 16 17:21:43 jack_lt: kinda, yes Oct 16 17:22:23 DocScrutinizer, looks like I need it http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1109383&postcount=320 Oct 16 17:22:40 jack_lt: booston is a script used by h-e-n GUI to start VBUS 5V supply Oct 16 17:23:36 DocScrutinizer, it gets installed with h-e-n? Oct 16 17:24:34 the version 1 is included in h-e-n, yes. I published an improved version though, that mainly gives a lot of useful feedback in case of any errors like overload etc Oct 16 17:24:47 hm Oct 16 17:25:05 somehow i managed to open the Character Chart window in xchat Oct 16 17:25:12 DocScrutinizer, where can I download it? Oct 16 17:25:14 Not that straightforward to use :P Oct 16 17:25:29 just a bunch of buttons, you can't see what's on them. Oct 16 17:25:53 jack_lt: moment, searching for it. AAh wait, it's on my box Oct 16 17:25:58 mompls Oct 16 17:26:43 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston Oct 16 17:28:47 MohammadAG, ping Oct 16 17:29:58 DocScrutinizer, thx, how do I use it | install it? Oct 16 17:30:28 copy over the existing booston Oct 16 17:30:45 I.E. replace the old booston with that new one Oct 16 17:30:58 where is it located? Oct 16 17:31:14 maybe /usr/sbin/booston ? Oct 16 17:31:53 FIQ|n900, pong Oct 16 17:32:03 actually I'm happy when you tell me if it's located there Oct 16 17:32:35 you might want to run #> which booston Oct 16 17:33:31 which booston Oct 16 17:33:31 /usr/sbin/booston Oct 16 17:33:36 (sorry I can't tell for sure, but my system here is heavily modded) Oct 16 17:33:44 fine :-D Oct 16 17:34:26 I noticed that some CSSU-related things (like for example status-area-orientationlock-applet) are missing some translations. Would you mind if I send a swedish translation of these? Oct 16 17:34:41 so: #> root; cd /usr/sbin; wget http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston; chmod a+x booston Oct 16 17:35:27 FIQ|n900: go ahead, I'm sure it's highly appreciated Oct 16 17:35:51 Ok then Oct 16 17:37:16 FIQ|n900: probably best to attach it to a bugtracker ticket Oct 16 17:38:48 'shutting down 5V supply for USB! Reason: OVERLOAD - N900 can deliver maax 200mA VBUS got shut off' Oct 16 17:38:50 or better yet, ask MohammadAG what he thinks is the proper way to provide that patch Oct 16 17:38:51 hmm Oct 16 17:40:22 DocScrutinizer, any idea what's wrong? ^ Oct 16 17:40:54 * jack_lt at least gets messages now Oct 16 17:41:17 Rewrite hen Oct 16 17:41:22 well, exactly what's written there: your peripheral overloads the N900 VBUS, I.E. needs too much power Oct 16 17:42:13 MohammadAG, what way of sending translations would you prefer? Oct 16 17:42:21 DocScrutinizer, the keybd says power rating 100mA Oct 16 17:42:22 jack_lt: use a powered USB hub Oct 16 17:42:34 DocScrutinizer, also for just a usb stick? Oct 16 17:42:35 jack_lt: obviously it's a lie Oct 16 17:42:47 oh Oct 16 17:42:52 thought you meant patches to hen Oct 16 17:43:07 FIQ|n900, just translate and make a merge request Oct 16 17:43:34 MohammadAG, ok Oct 16 17:43:50 jack_lt: or your cabling or N900 is defect Oct 16 17:44:20 jack_lt: or you have some weird software issue that makes booston fail like that (highly unlikely) Oct 16 17:44:56 DocScrutinizer, using usb for power just works Oct 16 17:45:08 e.g. to load the battery Oct 16 17:45:11 * DocScrutinizer just hopes he hasn't introduced another bug into booston :-D Oct 16 17:45:47 jack_lt: just start booston (as root) from terminal, without anything attached to USB Oct 16 17:46:08 should "just work" Oct 16 17:46:17 then plug in your kbd or whatever Oct 16 17:47:05 same message with external hub Oct 16 17:49:41 jack_lt: just start booston (as root) from terminal, without anything attached to USB Oct 16 17:49:56 /usr/sbin# ./booston Oct 16 17:49:57 ./booston: Stopping bme Oct 16 17:49:57 ./booston: ERROR in VBUS supply: BQ24150-Reg1=0x02 Oct 16 17:49:57 ./booston: OVERLOAD - N900 can deliver max 200mA. VBUS got shut off Oct 16 17:49:57 ./booston: Starting bme Oct 16 17:50:23 hmmmm Oct 16 17:50:31 MOAR POWA! Oct 16 17:50:40 without anythin plugged in to the device USB? Oct 16 17:50:55 I get the message when I plug in Oct 16 17:51:43 what does it do when you start booston without anything plugged in to USB??? Oct 16 17:51:59 :/usr/sbin# ./booston Oct 16 17:51:59 ./booston: Stopping bme Oct 16 17:52:19 so fine, boston works Oct 16 17:52:27 booston even Oct 16 17:53:10 now plug in your plain USB cable, with open end Oct 16 17:53:37 ok Oct 16 17:53:45 if nothing wrong happens, you plug F-F adapter to open end of cable Oct 16 17:54:03 if nothing wrong happens, you plug any peripheral to F-F adapter Oct 16 17:54:39 goes wrong with the usb stick as peripheral Oct 16 17:55:04 hmm strange USB stick Oct 16 17:55:04 then I got the message Oct 16 17:55:31 what do you mean by peripheral? Oct 16 17:55:55 something like a usb stick right? Oct 16 17:56:13 usb stick, hub, 1GB HDD... Oct 16 17:56:20 keyboard, mouse Oct 16 17:56:52 same when I connect the (empty) hub Oct 16 17:57:06 very strange Oct 16 17:58:07 you're sure your F-F adapter has no severe contact issues? try plugging in another empty USB cable to the F-F adapter Oct 16 17:58:44 wasn't the first time those adapters had some issues Oct 16 17:59:48 I've seen lots of scary things, e.g. bent up contact spring that may touch shielding metal sleeve when anything gets plugged in Oct 16 18:01:04 empty usb cable is no problem Oct 16 18:01:14 it's get wrong when I connect that to the active hub Oct 16 18:01:22 so that's starting to get strange then Oct 16 18:01:47 what adapter do you use? Oct 16 18:01:57 DIY? Oct 16 18:02:12 no Oct 16 18:02:16 nothing DIY Oct 16 18:02:17 or something unusual? Oct 16 18:02:42 adapter, you mean the hub? sweex Oct 16 18:02:49 F-F adapter Oct 16 18:03:49 I'm suspecting a swapped polarity for VBUS maybe Oct 16 18:04:02 plus and minus swapped Oct 16 18:05:26 as far as I see other pictures of F-F adapters, they look pretty similar Oct 16 18:05:36 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-cable-coupler-extension-connector-2646 Oct 16 18:06:20 jack_lt: Do you own a multimeter? Oct 16 18:06:55 hm, ok. So my only other "idea" is you actually got some nice collection of messed up peripherals - or your N900 has a hw-defect Oct 16 18:07:11 SpeedEvil, probably Oct 16 18:07:53 try with a number of peripherals, like mouse, kbd, hub, all you can get hold of... Oct 16 18:08:28 preferably sth with an LED that lights up as soon as you plug the thing into any USB port Oct 16 18:09:00 if I connect the n900 usb cable directly into the hub, it starts charging Oct 16 18:09:28 no error message Oct 16 18:09:45 if you can't find a single USB peripheral out of maybe 5..6 diferent that doesn't trigger that error, then I'd susoect your N900 actually has a problem Oct 16 18:10:40 errrr you are aware you must plug the N900 to hub's UPstrem port? Oct 16 18:10:47 for hostmode Oct 16 18:11:50 DocScrutinizer, Upstrem port? Oct 16 18:11:57 not to one of the downstream slave ports that would fit so nicely to the end of that CA-101 cable Oct 16 18:13:27 bbl Oct 16 18:13:47 upstream ports are on the side of where the adapter is connected to the hub? Oct 16 18:13:59 * jack_lt wasn't aware of that Oct 16 18:22:19 The port that would normally plug into the computer Oct 16 18:23:43 there is such a micro port on it, that should be upstream right? Oct 16 18:25:13 rrright Oct 16 18:25:39 http://www.sweex.com/en/assortiment/connectivity/usb-firewire-hubs/US014/ Oct 16 18:26:09 at least it's not my n900 usb cable which is broken Oct 16 18:28:23 there is just one upstream port? Oct 16 18:29:14 always Oct 16 18:29:34 (well - not in the case of USB switch-boxes, but for normal hubs) Oct 16 18:31:51 ok, got that message on any peripheral I could think of here Oct 16 18:32:43 one last suggestion: first plug in the peripheral then start booston (the chip does softstart which might help) Oct 16 18:33:52 maybe even try several times in fast sequence, like #> for i in `seq 1 10`; do booston; done Oct 16 18:34:23 it more and more looks like your N900 has a slight hw defect Oct 16 18:37:00 doesn't help Oct 16 18:37:43 hmm Oct 16 18:41:49 wait a minute Oct 16 18:44:52 sure Oct 16 18:45:23 nah, just a typo in error text, this should read Reg0: Oct 16 18:45:30 doesn't matter Oct 16 18:45:42 so alas no bug in my script Oct 16 18:46:32 of course you're running all that as root, yes? Oct 16 18:46:42 right Oct 16 18:49:41 ah what a pitty Oct 16 18:50:46 kind of an very wanted feature for me ... Oct 16 18:52:10 hmm maybe a last try after a clean install ... Oct 16 18:52:30 e.g. reflash the device Oct 16 18:53:12 hardly fixable with a reflash, all the basic functions are really straight to the hw, no OS or kernel involved (well not much anyway) Oct 16 18:53:40 strange defect then Oct 16 18:53:40 hmm, except maybe ke_recv Oct 16 18:54:56 hmm maybe I have to find another one on the 2nd market then ... Oct 16 18:54:58 but nah, that would kick in as soon as vbus gets enabled, not in that moment when you plug in a peripheral... errr, lemme think a while about 1707 and OTG pin Oct 16 18:56:16 well, looking at syslog/dmesg can't hurt for sure Oct 16 18:57:17 do you have a Y-cable, by any chance? Oct 16 18:58:13 usb? Oct 16 18:58:24 maybe one on my flash hdd Oct 16 18:58:38 also please check `tail syslog` or `dmesg|tail` directly after error appears Oct 16 19:01:58 http://fpaste.org/eRO4/ Oct 16 19:02:34 syslog: not found Oct 16 19:06:01 DocScrutinizer, ^ Oct 16 19:07:17 hmm Oct 16 19:10:13 jack_lt: I'll look into it and do some tests here, I'll ping you later, or tomorrow Oct 16 19:10:33 DocScrutinizer, ok thx man. Oct 16 19:11:16 DocScrutinizer, not much time to stay online though tomorrow, but I might ping you if I get online Oct 16 19:11:25 DocScrutinizer, I appreciate the help! Oct 16 19:14:01 is it just me or the maemo repos are down for some time now? Oct 16 19:18:54 i installed netcat from them yesterday Oct 16 19:24:00 jack_lt: is your battery well charged? Oct 16 19:28:33 It always fails trying to get a list of updates since Thursday Oct 16 19:42:45 DocScrutinizer, almost full as I have to believe the icon Oct 16 19:43:38 DocScrutinizer, charged it last night and didn't use it much today Oct 16 19:46:11 DocScrutinizer, I don't have to use the h-e-n gui when running the booston script? Oct 16 19:47:10 no, it's working stand-alone. h-e-n GUI just is using this script Oct 16 19:47:16 ok Oct 16 19:47:34 just to be sure Oct 16 19:52:05 i also have my own issue with N900. stock RSS reader doesnt refresh any feeds since yesterday, complaining about parsing errors :( Oct 16 20:02:27 jack_lt: I checked back on my N900 here, with most current booston script, and several peripherals, on stock PR1.3 (which is more of a reason it might fail, rather than a requirement) and can't find any strange behaviour as seen on yours. I actually miss any peripheral available that causes OVERLOAD error, so I had to short right contact of the USB F-F adapter to shield to cause a shutdown Oct 16 20:04:04 so I had to short right contact of the USB F-F adapter to shield to cause a shutdown? Oct 16 20:05:24 DocScrutinizer, could you rephrase that one? Oct 16 20:06:44 I caused a shortcircuit condition by inserting a screwdriver into the USB F receptacle of F-F adapter, to trigger the error you see Oct 16 20:07:15 ok, so it might be the F - F adapter which causes the problem? Oct 16 20:08:21 still I don't exactly see that but yeah you might want to test it some other way, e.g with a multimeter or something, or using a different F-F adapter Oct 16 20:09:54 if that's a weird adapter that swaps plus and GND lines, this would pretty much explain that behaviour Oct 16 20:26:52 DocScrutinizer: hey, I found the reason of reboots, that's a kernel bug: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3281 Oct 16 20:26:54 04Bug 3281: Sporadic lockup/reboot when USB host software releases peripheral Oct 16 20:27:08 However, it's marked as WONTFIX. Oct 16 20:27:32 Anybody knows, if community SSU or some custom kernel fixes this? Oct 16 20:27:53 wow Oct 16 20:28:01 yep :) Oct 16 20:28:13 And there's Till Harbaum also in the thread Oct 16 20:39:38 javispedro: arnet: >> If not, enabled serial console RD flag with the flasher AND *remember to disable it when you don't have the serial cable connected* (otherwise you get random data in the serial, such as SysRq keyboard shortcuts for reboot etc).<< hehe, also a nice one. Might explain why *my* device occasionally reboots out of nothing Oct 16 20:49:28 DocScrutinizer: you run with RD flag enabled? Oct 16 20:49:44 nope, but maybe... Oct 16 20:50:08 I remember it causes battery to die faster, but don't remember the reason Oct 16 20:50:22 javispedro: the keyboard lights are always on Oct 16 20:50:31 Well - sort-of Oct 16 20:52:47 arnet: I think this is a bug with removing modules, or sth like that Oct 16 20:53:10 refcount mismatch, init loop or deadlock... Oct 16 20:53:37 eh... Oct 16 20:54:01 I use n810 in a robotics project, it's connected to the several devices via i2c Oct 16 20:54:21 and that's sad, that it's not stable. Oct 16 20:55:33 I wonder if you build in the modules if it'd be stable. Oct 16 20:58:08 even kernel people say removing modules is a bad idea Oct 16 20:58:22 yup Oct 16 20:58:59 a long list of known (and partially fixed) bugs with unloading modules Oct 16 20:59:22 I wonder if that's somehow fixed in community SSU? Oct 16 20:59:37 some handle to some datastructure in the module still lingering on -> *BOOM Oct 16 21:00:07 arnet: definitely not as CSSU doesn't even touch kernel/modules Oct 16 21:00:23 ideally you want to load all the modules you'll ever need at boot, and never unload. I'm speaking practically here... The on-boot is because many things request huge chunks of ram, which is against kernel policy and not guaranteed to succeed, bugt mostly works anyway, and best at boot Oct 16 21:00:28 ah Oct 16 21:08:07 I just wonder what to do in order to prevent module unloading. Oct 16 21:08:23 People say they just execute lsusb, and when it exits, nit reboots. Oct 16 21:08:38 ok, and with n900 usb host mode is impossible, right? Oct 16 21:08:58 I've read couple of threads about it, but didn't understand how it is possible to use it if there's no hardware support? Oct 16 21:15:20 bbl Oct 16 21:27:35 There is hardware support. Oct 16 21:27:39 It's just not advertised Oct 16 21:29:33 arnet: we hacked the missing hw support into kernel sw to enable N900 hostmode Oct 16 21:31:20 I.E. we exploit a testmode of the USB controller, and emulate/work-aound the missing bits of that test mode Oct 16 21:34:18 that's why you got "enumerate" in h-e-n GUI - the hw doesn't support automatic connect-detect in that testmode we exploit Oct 16 21:34:41 same with manual speed selection Oct 16 21:38:14 h-e-n GUI basically just is booston for the VBUS 5V, plus some handles to operate those hacks in power/hostmode-kernel Oct 16 21:40:38 which is great. You must how exciting it is to have usb support on a phone. Oct 16 21:42:13 hey there i have a strange problem.... my camera is in use all the time Oct 16 21:43:03 /usr/bin/camera-ui is running Oct 16 21:43:15 if i am killing it restarts instandly Oct 16 21:43:50 yes, that's what it is supposed to be Oct 16 21:44:08 camera-ui gets preloaded Oct 16 21:44:17 okay Oct 16 21:44:41 but when im trying to start flashlight for example its says : camera is already in use Oct 16 21:44:54 errr Oct 16 21:45:00 after reboot the problem is still there Oct 16 21:45:25 nothing is running that is using the camera Oct 16 21:45:39 Does the camera work? Oct 16 21:46:03 I've heard of a broken camera causing these symptoms. Oct 16 21:46:04 my flashlight works just fine: open camera-door, close friggin camera-ui, open system status menu -> there it is Oct 16 21:47:19 and yes I still think opening the cam-door should start flashlight instantly Oct 16 21:48:02 if i start nativ camera application its just black Oct 16 21:48:07 unless you push the camera button while sliding open the door Oct 16 21:48:14 ouch Oct 16 21:48:39 kernel update without re-installing fcam drivers? Oct 16 21:48:57 mh... DocScrutinizer Oct 16 21:49:07 is installiert bfs-kernel a few days ago Oct 16 21:49:09 lets see Oct 16 21:49:28 haha that one is missing any working fcam drivers Oct 16 21:49:46 afaik Oct 16 21:51:08 so should i turn back to advanced-kernel ? Oct 16 21:51:14 or is there a way to fix this Oct 16 21:51:53 uninstall fcam and all other augmented camera apps, (go back to power kernel,) find fcam drivers matching your kernel, install drivers and camera apps Oct 16 21:52:37 well, installing the apps usually will pull the drivers as dependencies Oct 16 21:53:59 idont :-P know if bfs meanwhile has drivers now Oct 16 21:54:43 ask the maintainer idont Oct 16 22:01:42 okay, it seems I'll try my software with n900 Oct 16 22:02:01 And, besides, recently I installed SSU on it, that's perfect, but vkeyboard stopped to work. Oct 16 22:02:06 Is it a known issue? Oct 16 22:05:06 what is ssu, i havent gotten around to searching Oct 16 22:05:31 CSSU, I guess. Community improvements. Oct 16 22:06:26 when i have 10 apps open i stop opening new ones superfluously Oct 16 22:07:01 i installed cssu once and it just erred Oct 16 22:07:26 probably because rootfs was full Oct 16 22:07:40 hm Oct 16 22:08:18 im trying to check dependencies for a package im building, but im getting an error Oct 16 22:08:53 (^im pretty sure it was the rootfs) Oct 16 22:09:51 thats 2 different subjects, does that make sense? Oct 16 22:11:09 [end of cssu subject] Oct 16 22:11:13 im trying to check dependencies for a package im building, but im getting an error Oct 16 22:11:23 $ dpkg-depcheck -m dpkg-buildpackage -b Oct 16 22:11:23 chown: changing ownership of `debian/rdiff-backup/usr/share/doc/rdiff-backup-1.2.8/COPYING': Operation not permitted Oct 16 22:11:27 dh_installdocs: command returned error code 256 Oct 16 22:11:29 make: *** [binary] Error 1 Oct 16 22:11:32 sh: bad signal name 's' Oct 16 22:11:34 dpkg-buildpackage: failure: fakeroot debian/rules binary gave error exit status 2 Oct 16 22:14:25 ~cssu Oct 16 22:14:25 cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Oct 16 22:16:30 hi Oct 16 22:16:36 hi Oct 16 22:16:56 tramp: is debian/rdiff-backup/usr/share/doc/rdiff-backup-1.2.8/COPYING on VFAT? Oct 16 22:17:15 no Oct 16 22:17:33 ~/src/rdiff-backup Oct 16 22:18:38 hmm, with a symlink a bindmount it still can be on VFAT, the path doesn't tell much about it Oct 16 22:19:02 i was just checking Oct 16 22:19:57 df -h debian/rdiff-backup/usr/share/doc/rdiff-backup-1.2.8/COPYING will tell Oct 16 22:19:58 its not symlinked and /home is still mounted as ext3 Oct 16 22:20:52 interesting Oct 16 22:21:43 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on Oct 16 22:21:43 /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 1.5G 380M 81% /home Oct 16 22:22:00 mhm, and /home is most likely ext3 Oct 16 22:22:06 yes Oct 16 22:22:42 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /.debian/home type ext3 (0) Oct 16 22:22:51 ... Oct 16 22:23:15 where did .debian come from!? Oct 16 22:23:28 where did .debian come from!? Oct 16 22:23:50 sorry repost Oct 16 22:26:38 my mistake Oct 16 22:26:43 dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) Oct 16 22:34:33 Any ideas? Oct 16 22:35:10 I bet it would work if I ran it as root. Oct 16 22:42:11 yup, it got to dpkg-genchanges Oct 16 22:45:15 anyone know of some good tutorials on how to write status bar widgets or otherwise someone who can help me figure out all the stuff I need to know? I have the core logic of my Cell Broadcast SMS app running now, I just need to change it so that instead of writing to a log file, it displays UI Oct 16 22:46:43 Woo! Oct 16 22:46:45 :) Oct 16 22:46:50 Alas - no. Oct 16 22:47:25 There is a widget to remove the operator name, and also one to add a signal strength for wifi in numbers, which might be worth a look Oct 16 22:49:13 where can I find these widgets? Oct 16 22:50:26 i saw them in the repos Oct 16 22:50:49 just the latter one Oct 16 22:51:17 ok Oct 16 22:52:41 hmmm should I post on the forums or mailing list to see if anyone can help? Oct 16 22:52:50 http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bproperty%5D=name&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B1%5D%5Bvalue%5D=status&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bproperty%5D=title&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bconstraint%5D=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search%5B2%5D%5Bvalue%5D=same Oct 16 22:52:55 Post _everywhere_ Oct 16 22:58:21 Which forum would be the most appropriate? Oct 16 22:58:45 talk.maemo.org? Oct 16 22:58:54 I mean which forum on tmo Oct 16 23:00:59 hmm Oct 16 23:02:11 theyre forums are just too organized to decide Oct 16 23:02:19 their* Oct 16 23:07:44 maybe I should start with a mailing list post Oct 16 23:07:53 all the technical people hang out there Oct 16 23:08:03 sounds good Oct 16 23:08:11 mostly because of the low signal-to-noise ratio on tmo Oct 16 23:08:32 and because its a mailing list Oct 17 00:24:56 does anyone know how i could edit the n900 addressbook.db file? doesn't seem to work with the normal db_* tools Oct 17 00:27:27 I think they're sqlite type of db aren't they? Oct 17 00:33:05 it's a berkeley db file Oct 17 00:33:19 evolution-data-server-addressbook (the package that handles addressbook.db) has a dependancy on libdb4.2, libedata-book, libedataserver, and libebook Oct 17 00:34:30 all 5 packages are open source so it should be possible to find out how the data is stored Oct 17 00:35:36 things like db_dump seems to be happy, but i'm not sure how i should try editing things. Oct 17 00:35:56 Why do you want to edit it? Oct 17 00:36:25 there's a few contacts, if i try to edit it from the ui, the contacts app crashes. Oct 17 00:37:35 delete and create it again might fix it, but i was to see if i can find out why which field or info actually crashes it. Oct 17 00:38:31 I wonder if it would help if you ran that program from terminal Oct 17 00:38:44 the contacts app? Oct 17 00:41:13 or whichever `app' that is crashing when you tried to edit the contacts Oct 17 00:58:43 that's weird. Oct 17 00:59:30 if i run osso-addressbook at a shell (which doesn't actually bring up any gui), and then i go the the Contacts, then editing is fine, no crash. Oct 17 01:18:46 mail sent to the mailing list :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Oct 17 02:59:56 2011