**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 18 02:59:57 2011 Oct 18 06:06:30 * dreamer having _another_ go at upgrading easydebian Oct 18 06:06:40 just stumbled on this page: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze Oct 18 06:06:52 and didn't realize the rebooting was because of the watchdog hehe Oct 18 08:43:15 uhg, I followed this guide to upgrade easydebian: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#complete_dist-upgrade_to_Squeeze << but still meamo reboots near the end of the upgrade Oct 18 08:46:29 dreamer, sorry, are you looking for help? Oct 18 08:48:35 crashanddie: well, I'd like to upgrade my easydebian so I can try this package: http://enchevetres.org/doku.php?id=tek:puredata Oct 18 08:49:50 Then ask a question Oct 18 08:50:01 because for the past 2 hours, you've been saying random stuff Oct 18 08:51:07 "how do I upgrade easydebian to squeeze without it rebooting maemo or failing horribly?" Oct 18 08:51:50 and with "the past 2 hours" you mean "that one sentence" ? Oct 18 08:52:12 oh wait, i said some remarks earlier, n/m :P Oct 18 09:16:55 dreamer: can u use the blue keys on your easydebian? Oct 18 09:46:28 Sicelo: I can't even start it now. the upgrade failed Oct 18 09:47:29 I can get into the deb-chroot though. Oct 18 09:47:41 sad. well, i never can use them, eg brackets. Oct 18 09:48:00 afaik they did work, which image did you use? Oct 18 09:48:50 debian-m5-v3e.img.ext2.lzma Oct 18 09:53:28 Sicelo: ok, same. afaik they worked with that image. but anyway. it's pretty much useless to me. I just wanted to try pd-extended. but if I can't upgrade fully to squeeze -_- Oct 18 10:00:37 i notice the page talks about gconf issues.. wonder if that's nt wherer your issue comes from Oct 18 10:11:10 Sicelo: which page? Oct 18 10:12:26 ah: "Therefore, it is recommended that for the moment you simply use the image as is." Oct 18 10:12:36 meh. I'll remove it and never look back <_< Oct 18 10:30:05 is there no way to hack the n900 firmware so that it always charges maximum from the usb port? Oct 18 10:30:16 no. Oct 18 10:30:22 aaargh Oct 18 10:30:29 (in other words, you can do that. Oct 18 10:30:59 as it is now im ready to stomp on it until it shatters Oct 18 10:31:21 any hints apreciated Oct 18 10:31:23 I'm unsure if anyone has released a script to enable it - what's your issue? Oct 18 10:32:16 its simply too picky. I can never charge it properly. I just want to disable all firmware safeguards and always charge it Oct 18 10:33:41 if the computer burns thats less annoying than the current situation Oct 18 10:37:36 I have a script that does this, but it's broken, and sometimes requires a reboot after charge to get it to charge again normally. Oct 18 10:38:03 cool. can I have it? Oct 18 10:41:54 There is an alternative possibly easier way - if you have a spare USB extension cable you're willing to mod. Oct 18 10:43:08 well I have a chorging cable that has shorted data connectors but charging is still flaky Oct 18 10:43:47 Are you sure it's not the USB socket being dodgy? Oct 18 10:44:43 possibly. but its hard to tell. I can access the device as data device Oct 18 10:45:13 whun i use a nermal data cable n900 says "too little power" Oct 18 10:45:33 when i use my charging cable it sometimes charges sometimes doesnt Oct 18 10:47:12 it can also be that charging negotiation on the host is broken Oct 18 10:48:18 if i want to use my nokia n900 to connect in windows 7 to provider data account - is it necessary to install there Nokia PC suite? There was detected and installed Modem on com3. I am trying to conect over that with the same parameters as in n900 - but no success. Or is it necessary to allow it this in nokia n900 first? Oct 18 10:48:24 When you use a normal cable plugged into a motherboard port, not through a hub, it says too little power? Oct 18 10:48:53 markinfo: you need to select 'pc suite' mode when you plug in USB Oct 18 10:49:48 SpeedEvil, that is all? Should i connect fist in n900 to provider data account - or it can be done in windows? Oct 18 10:50:02 jave: http://www.mauve.plus.com/t/bmelite - this is a somewhat broken script that when run will stop BME, and display the flashing LED to indicate charging, while turning the charger on. It then when the charger says it's turned off stops charging, and restarts BME. Oct 18 10:50:28 SpeedEvil: yes normal cable laptop motherboard no hub, n900 says "too little power". both laptops i tested had special high power ports Oct 18 10:50:29 jave: At least here, BME does not properly restart, and is in a confused state requiring a reboot. I do not know why as I haven't investigated enough. Oct 18 10:51:59 SpeedEvil: cool, thanks! it cant get any worse... Oct 18 10:53:29 it is asking for "call number" But provider gives nothing like that. Is this equivalent to "APN: bob.at" ? Oct 18 10:54:09 number is *99# Oct 18 10:58:59 i have PK47, and would like to upgrade to PK48. what is best way to do that? Oct 18 10:59:18 hm - it stops now on "Computer is going to be registerred in network " ...there is no signalization on Nokia n900 if the modem is accessed over PC (over pc suite)? Oct 18 11:00:30 markinfo, u also need initialization string in your modem options, which contains the APN info. i dont remember from the top of my head where it is under windows Oct 18 11:02:00 jave: all that sounds pretty much like messed up rootfs on N900, maybe even in conjunction with some hw problems (worn out battery, dodgy USB receptacle) Oct 18 11:02:57 DocScrutinizer: messed up rootfs? Oct 18 11:03:07 yup Oct 18 11:03:18 sth e.g. keeping CPU busy Oct 18 11:03:21 i bought a new battery so that should be okay anyway Oct 18 11:03:54 oh okay. ill have to look at processet then i suppose Oct 18 11:05:02 pity I cant just buy a n950 as a replacement Oct 18 11:05:08 first analytic approach: run bq27200.sh 5|tee -a mybatcharge.log, then after 2 minutes plug in USB and let "charge" Oct 18 11:06:04 then come here to get the mybatcharge.log analyzed Oct 18 11:06:55 thanks. I cant get it to power at all now so I need to get a separate battery charger or something to begin with. Oct 18 11:29:20 Sicelo, nice with that initialisation string +CGDCONT =1,"IP","bob.at" an call number *99# it works. Speed over GSM provider: 4.5Mbps down/0.5Mbps upload. Oct 18 11:32:20 ;) Oct 18 11:39:21 so, do i need to uninstall PK47 first before installing PK48? HAM refuses to install PK48. i can apt-get, but want to be sure first Oct 18 11:52:34 Sicelo, no you don't. Oct 18 11:52:59 Remember, the flasher package will end up flashing the kernel to the kernel partition; so long as that happens you'll be fine Oct 18 11:54:44 thanks robbiethe1st. guess i should apt-get then, as i don't see how to do it via HAM. i get "Conflict with application packages: Linux kernel for power users ... power47" Oct 18 11:55:05 I always use apt-get myself, so... Oct 18 12:00:43 hey, I violated a data usb cable into a charging cable; now I can charge! I couldnt with my readymade charging cable Oct 18 12:04:04 heh i did too .. too bad i was to lazy to buy a switch to toggle between data/charge Oct 18 12:08:12 done. thanks robbiethe1st Oct 18 12:27:26 How do I discern which version of fremantle I am running on my n900? Oct 18 12:27:44 settings -> about product Oct 18 12:28:16 20.2010 = PR1.3 Oct 18 12:28:50 20.2010.36-2.203.1 it says. Fab, thanks. Oct 18 12:30:31 What are people using for calendars on their n900? I've tried the stock one and gpe-calendar so far. Oct 18 12:30:54 Stock. Oct 18 12:31:00 But I have about 3 events on it. Oct 18 12:31:07 So I'm not the most demanding of users. Oct 18 12:31:10 :) Oct 18 12:34:33 I am missing iCal intergration :( Oct 18 12:35:40 and now - how to connect to DAta account of my phone provider from debian desktop? Oct 18 12:36:00 is it here? http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Oct 18 12:43:18 no Oct 18 12:43:24 use pcsuite mode Oct 18 12:43:31 and that willl present n900 as modem to your pc Oct 18 12:43:46 and from there it's just like with any other modem Oct 18 12:43:51 wvdial is easy option Oct 18 12:44:23 edheldil: exchange integration is there Oct 18 12:44:59 edheldil: This is why I'm going to try Meego today - hopefully find a better calendar there... Oct 18 12:51:22 hello Oct 18 12:51:33 can someone tell me where's the config file of wlan settings? :D Oct 18 12:51:37 *anyone Oct 18 12:52:24 wlan "settings" are mostly stored in gconf Oct 18 12:52:57 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68063 Oct 18 12:54:08 so: gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP Oct 18 12:54:26 aleeepc: ^^^ Oct 18 12:54:29 thx :D Oct 18 12:55:35 jacekowski: I have only ics files exported through webdav, no MSEX or whole cal server. Or ical? Whatever Oct 18 12:57:59 DocScrutinizer, can I use the same gconftool with kubuntu? :D Oct 18 12:58:45 aleeepc: err, sure. but of course not to get the wlan config same way Oct 18 13:00:25 aleeepc: on buntkuh there's most likely no /system/osso/connectivity/IAP key in gconf database, as there's no osso-* under that OS Oct 18 13:00:52 ok :) Oct 18 13:02:03 aleeepc: your question is similar to: "A: use > more d:\path\to\file Q: can I use more on win7 too?" Oct 18 13:11:42 Anyone here knows how to set volume of phonon's audioOutput? Oct 18 13:23:31 phonon, bah Oct 18 13:31:40 wow, ##linux is fucking lame Oct 18 13:32:16 You ask people "Why do I see a load of 15-40 on a quad core server, running roughly 150 processes, when CPU utilisation is only 15%?" Oct 18 13:32:41 and the only thing they can rant about is IO, IO, IO!LOLWTFOMFGSTFUBBQ!!eleven. Oct 18 13:46:35 crashanddie: well, it's the first thing I would think of as well ... Oct 18 13:47:24 DocScrutinizer: I still think it would be ideal for me if the setVolume() worked Oct 18 13:48:05 I mean "ideal solution" Oct 18 13:49:10 well, I got a deja-vu Oct 18 13:49:41 and to save other users from having a deja-vu as well, I'm not going to repeat my rant Oct 18 13:50:22 crashanddie: "load" has a very strange unit actually Oct 18 13:50:36 edheldil, think about it, sure. Even a kid knows that if a boat isn't moving, you should check if the anchor is still down. This doesn't mean when I said for 8th time "No, io is at under 0.3%", people should keep asking about it. Oct 18 13:50:38 crashanddie: and doesn't scale too well on multicore Oct 18 13:51:26 actually, it scales fine with multicore. There's two ways of looking at it: running queue / coreCount = x. If x is > to 1, you've got a problem (we run realtime software!) Oct 18 13:53:23 iowait is under 0.3%? Also, I suppose you have got enough mem (I am not sure if paging gets totaled to iowait) Oct 18 13:53:32 hmm, I cloudy recall SpeedEvil and ShadowJK(?) elaborating here in this chan about true meaning of load values, quite some time ago Oct 18 13:54:03 yes, iowait is hovering around 0.3%. These are servers with 16, 32 or 128GB of RAM. Oct 18 13:54:13 Anything more elaborated than "averaged number of processes in run queue" ? Oct 18 13:54:30 all I memorized about load is that it's all but intuitive a value Oct 18 13:54:32 so we just load everything into memory and don't need io anymore (except for network) Oct 18 13:55:06 Load ca be meaningless - I've had a load of 400 on a (responsive) machine. Oct 18 13:55:08 basically what it means is: on a single core CPU, a load of 1 means that it was used 100% in the last unit of time. Oct 18 13:55:12 crashanddie: check where the processes wait with ps alw Oct 18 13:55:16 axlw Oct 18 13:55:20 ^singlecore Oct 18 13:55:45 As there were a few hundred tasks waiting on the network. (and each completing after a few seconds) Oct 18 13:56:26 wait, load can include sleeping apps that wait for network IO? Oct 18 13:56:38 lol, that's "nice" Oct 18 13:56:42 that doesn't make any sense, and I've never heard of that. Oct 18 13:56:53 (doesn't mean it's not true) Oct 18 13:57:19 crashanddie: see what I meant by "strange unit"? Oct 18 13:59:58 holy crap Oct 18 14:03:33 well, no. Oct 18 14:03:46 man 5 proc|less +'/loadavg' Oct 18 14:03:51 FWIW Oct 18 14:04:40 aye, and I've got no process in D Oct 18 14:04:48 none whatsoever Oct 18 14:05:44 so what state are the processes in? R? Oct 18 14:06:00 when I look at ps -Al, they're in S Oct 18 14:06:26 but there's a few hundred of those, and most (if not all) get woken up once every second, some every 20ms. Oct 18 14:07:44 I've got jbd2/dm-0-8 going into D for a second every 10-20 seconds, and that's it. Oct 18 14:08:56 top - 16:04:28 up 136 days, 22:12, 2 users, load average: 16.92, 11.57, 12.60 Oct 18 14:08:56 Tasks: 265 total, 27 running, 238 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Oct 18 14:08:56 Cpu0 : 17.5%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.5%id, 0.3%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Oct 18 14:08:56 Cpu1 : 16.6%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.1%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 1.3%si, 0.0%st Oct 18 14:08:56 Cpu2 : 17.3%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 80.3%id, 1.7%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Oct 18 14:08:57 Cpu3 : 16.9%us, 0.7%sy, 0.0%ni, 81.4%id, 0.0%wa, 0.3%hi, 0.7%si, 0.0%st Oct 18 14:10:22 doesn't exactly mean a thing regarding load values Oct 18 14:11:10 well it does, because it means that the running queue takes over a single time unit to complete (and apparently, nearly 4 units of time to complete), all the while our CPUs are doing apparently fuck all Oct 18 14:12:27 according to man 5 proc|less +'/loadavg' the processes waiting for disk IO are counted in to load >> Oct 18 14:12:28 the number of jobs in the run queue (state R) or waiting for disk I/O (state D)<< - how can you tell how many are in state D when kernel evaluated /proc/loadavg? Oct 18 14:12:50 because I never see a single D? Oct 18 14:13:25 largely depends on you viewer job's prio and scheduler policy, I guess Oct 18 14:13:29 while [ true ] ; do ps -Al | grep D | grep -v WCHAN; done Oct 18 14:14:47 yes, but how the hell am I supposed to analyse anything if any tool I use doesn't have the right prio or whatever? Oct 18 14:14:48 could it be caused by multitude of processes waking up at the same time? Oct 18 14:15:03 ioscheduler is another quite complex critter, and it might be not so well defined how it interacts with task scheduler and what /proc/loadavg knows about all that stuff Oct 18 14:15:25 might be, edheldil, though one of the most recent patches I included enabled processes to wake up at different time intervals Oct 18 14:19:00 _perhaps_ if they wake up at the same time with some high prio, they have to wait for timeslice, increasing the loadavg, but because of the high prio you don't see anything running with a tool running with a lower prio. But I am not a scheduling guru by any means Oct 18 14:20:12 to me the PU values as of top are more honest than the load figures Oct 18 14:20:19 dang Oct 18 14:20:25 to me the %CPU values as of top are more honest than the load figures Oct 18 14:21:20 edheldil: makes quite a bit of sense though Oct 18 14:22:02 I may add that due to the way ioscheduler works they may still wake up same moment, regardless of any timers and how they are set Oct 18 14:22:30 yay N900 won't boot -.-;; Oct 18 14:22:43 now that's any new? Oct 18 14:22:54 apparently upgrading kernel-power is a bad idea Oct 18 14:23:16 I'd not be surprised, yes Oct 18 14:24:09 unfortunately, the old one is full of issues Oct 18 14:24:11 according to posts on tmo I referred to here just as recently as yesterday eve, it seems 49 isn't all that stable Oct 18 14:24:22 well, extras-devel just took me to 48 Oct 18 14:24:25 btw, what are the processes waiting on, crashanddie? Oct 18 14:24:29 ouch!!! Oct 18 14:24:39 48 is definitely borked and DANGEROUS Oct 18 14:24:45 is there ANY stable kernel for Maemo? -.- Oct 18 14:24:51 haha Oct 18 14:25:19 0_0 Oct 18 14:25:59 hmm I wonder which kernel I use... Oct 18 14:26:05 I thought it was 48 Oct 18 14:26:10 seems to work fine. Oct 18 14:26:21 well, i just upgraded to 48 from 47 luke-jr, and didn't have a problem Oct 18 14:26:25 crashanddie: I'm not sure of the exact reason - I was running hundreds of dig hostname's at once. Looking at [a-z]+.com Oct 18 14:26:32 but, DocScrutinizer is worrying me :s Oct 18 14:26:36 mece: ol'known nasty I2C-nonlock bug Oct 18 14:26:47 no idea what that means. Oct 18 14:27:14 regardless, it seems to work fine. Oct 18 14:27:25 it means your I2C bus might get raped so badly that your PMU will fry the CPU Oct 18 14:27:26 I had 46 before I think Oct 18 14:27:50 sounds like fun. Oct 18 14:28:06 mece: and that's an effect you won't notice reproducably and also it may do harm to hw you notice later only Oct 18 14:28:23 oh gosh Oct 18 14:28:33 DocScrutinizer, ow Oct 18 14:28:48 DocScrutinizer: meaning what? Oct 18 14:29:07 and random lockups, reboots, failures in arbitrary peripheral sensors/actors will not indicate directly that they were cause by I2C bug Oct 18 14:29:38 luke-jr: in 48 they introduced a patch that alllows concurrent access to I2C *serial* bus Oct 18 14:29:58 so interleaving bulk access may fail terribly Oct 18 14:30:04 what uses that? Oct 18 14:30:10 everything Oct 18 14:30:16 fun tiems. Oct 18 14:30:23 … Oct 18 14:30:48 it's just a matter of luck when you run into the race of 2 processes trying to access I2C concurrently Oct 18 14:30:53 well I can't even boot atm Oct 18 14:30:59 I've had no lockups, reboots or failures tho, so not really sure what to think. Perhaps I don't have 48. I don't remember. Oct 18 14:31:10 lol Oct 18 14:31:35 that may *for example* be caused by access to twl4030 got messed and you need to remove battery for quite a time to reset it Oct 18 14:31:40 so this patch, is it possible to disable it :/ Oct 18 14:31:56 it allegedly is, in 49 Oct 18 14:32:01 ok then. Oct 18 14:32:12 49 seems to have other, or related, issues though Oct 18 14:32:12 when was 49 released? Oct 18 14:32:55 typical Oct 18 14:33:05 note to self: this is bad logic: "well, everyone else runs extras-devel, so it must be stable enough" Oct 18 14:33:22 i think 49 is unstable yet, not released. afaik it's not on repos either Oct 18 14:34:03 * Sicelo wonders if he should revert ... having no real need for any PK except to use h-e-n Oct 18 14:34:12 wtf is h-e-n Oct 18 14:34:29 please check for yourself, the pk-49 tmo thread is a bit long, and post #1 gets frequently updated but doesn't show edit dates or history Oct 18 14:34:43 ~h-e-n Oct 18 14:34:44 extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging Oct 18 14:35:05 afk, ttyl Oct 18 14:36:51 (tmo thread) as said above, check your backscroll of this chan, I posted a few relevant links yesterday Oct 18 14:38:27 edheldil, it depends on the processes. We have proxy processes that handle SIP data, and HTTP data, and then we have voip processes that handle RTP data (and RTCP/RTSP etc) Oct 18 14:39:06 Those represent roughly 30 processes, the rest are statistics and queue processes which aren't really waiting for anything. They just wake up every second and handle whatever they have to handle Oct 18 14:40:07 so the main bunch waits in select() or some such? I am out of ideas, though Oct 18 14:40:41 this is NOT cool -.- Oct 18 14:40:41 well, poll() or select(), yeah. Oct 18 14:40:55 I don't need a N900-brick right before I leave for a 10 day vacation with nothing else Oct 18 14:40:59 maybe they all wake on same x.0000000 seconds timer, and then a lot of them wait for disk IO to store their findings about statistics? Oct 18 14:41:01 poll() is spinning the cpus, no? Oct 18 14:41:13 barely Oct 18 14:42:09 afaik poll() actually doesn't really what we'd call polling Oct 18 14:42:23 * Sicelo thinks he'll definitely revert. i shan't be getting an n900 soon :P Oct 18 14:42:54 help :< Oct 18 14:43:48 luke-jr: try coldflashing if nothing else helps Oct 18 14:44:20 yeah. thought so, nokia service wants to replace my n900 with e7 :( Oct 18 14:44:29 DocScrutinizer: and lose all my data? Oct 18 14:44:42 but I don't want no f**king symbian Oct 18 14:45:01 Jartza, ask for an N9 :) Oct 18 14:45:02 luke-jr: ok pal! keep your data... on a brick Oct 18 14:45:04 what I don't get is why the boot menu went away :/ Oct 18 14:45:12 how long has Nokia been replacing N900's with e-somethings? Why do people keep sending them in, hoping for another outcome? Oct 18 14:45:20 luke-jr, you could try to flash kernel only Oct 18 14:45:30 mece: I'm trying to load kernel only Oct 18 14:45:36 ah Oct 18 14:45:37 ok Oct 18 14:45:42 I'm guessing power48 removed all my other kernels' modules -.- Oct 18 14:45:42 * timeless chuckles Oct 18 14:45:47 but then again, *why won't the bootmenu show*? Oct 18 14:46:03 hey timeless, what's up? Oct 18 14:46:25 not much, i'm letting one of my computers update, it hasn't been on since august and needs to update :) Oct 18 14:46:49 Windows? Oct 18 14:47:03 jacekowski: ping Oct 18 14:47:04 yeah, the ideapad from dublin Oct 18 14:47:16 jonwil: but note that if it were running ubuntu, it'd have gotten an update offer too :) Oct 18 14:47:30 any news about n9 release? Oct 18 14:47:32 if it were running meego, it probably wouldn't have, but more because that project got itself into a mess :) Oct 18 14:47:44 If it was Gentoo, you would be in a heap of trouble Oct 18 14:47:50 heh Oct 18 14:48:01 mece: like they would do so :D Oct 18 14:48:03 Leaving a Gentoo box un-updated for more than 2 weeks tops is asking for disaster Oct 18 14:48:16 jonwil: dont trash gentoo, I use it Oct 18 14:48:23 I use i Oct 18 14:48:23 ( I'm guessing power48 removed all my other kernels' modules -.-) fair assumption - that 's why you frequently need to flash rootfs together with kernel Oct 18 14:48:25 it Oct 18 14:48:27 interesting, are there stories i can read online about it? Oct 18 14:48:41 and I am speaking from experience Oct 18 14:48:48 when I say that frequent updating is essential Oct 18 14:48:58 I ditched EPOC like 15 years ago or so, and I'm not going back there :) Oct 18 14:49:01 well.... you do have a point there... Oct 18 14:49:18 jonwil: oh, i believe you Oct 18 14:49:24 but i prefer to read dead tree editions :) Oct 18 14:49:32 so, is there any n9 news I missed? Oct 18 14:50:02 Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init! Oct 18 14:50:04 any ideas? Oct 18 14:50:50 (*why won't the bootmenu show*?) maybe because kernel oopses or panics before bootmenu got a chance to show up - mind that bootmenu is a userland thing called by /sbin/preinit Oct 18 14:51:13 Ive installed kernel power, and now camera doesn't work Oct 18 14:51:21 *sigh* Oct 18 14:51:47 RTFM^HTMOTHREAD Oct 18 14:52:16 or read backscroll of this chan, search string "fcam" Oct 18 14:52:53 Anybody hear me? Oct 18 14:52:57 DocScrutinizer: bootmenu doesn't need kernel modules, does it? Oct 18 14:53:12 I guess "my camera stopped to work" is #1 by far, in PK FAQ Oct 18 14:53:46 timmyt: do *you* hear what the others here say? Oct 18 14:54:00 R they talking to me? Oct 18 14:54:29 So y don't they call my name? Oct 18 14:54:50 luke-jr: dunno which modules get loaded by kernel before even preinit gets started Oct 18 14:54:57 I guess it'S a few anyway Oct 18 14:55:20 timmyt: RTFM^HTMOTHREAD Oct 18 14:55:28 timmyt: I guess "my camera stopped to work" is #1 by far, in PK FAQ Oct 18 14:56:01 :D Oct 18 14:56:33 so, who'd hate me if I got an iPod? Oct 18 14:56:34 in short: un-&re-install all camera apps Oct 18 14:56:42 *reys* Oct 18 14:56:55 DocScrutinizer: he is gone... Oct 18 14:57:01 MEH Oct 18 14:57:11 MohammadAG: me Oct 18 14:57:15 is there a rescue kernel image yet? Oct 18 14:57:18 o/ Oct 18 14:57:20 cya Oct 18 14:57:24 DocScrutinizer: bye Oct 18 14:57:29 chem|st, :( Oct 18 14:58:02 MohammadAG: Depends what sort of iPod Oct 18 14:58:07 MohammadAG: just had another iPrank issue... iPhone cannot even send an image over BT to a mac powerbook... Oct 18 14:58:09 touch Oct 18 14:58:25 * jonwil hates apple lockdown Oct 18 14:58:31 But for playing music, the iPod is fine :) Oct 18 14:58:39 Its just the app store that I hate Oct 18 14:58:43 music's on the N900/50 Oct 18 14:58:49 I got it for apps Oct 18 14:58:53 the only good things from apple have *power* in their naming! Oct 18 14:59:02 bus apps, bank apps etc Oct 18 14:59:04 or Airport Oct 18 14:59:21 256MB of RAM sucks Oct 18 14:59:31 hey look DocScrutinizer, it's your favorite topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79018 Oct 18 14:59:37 The N900 performs way better in multitasking Oct 18 14:59:53 cydia (HAM-like app) basically kills the iPod for 10s Oct 18 15:00:30 MohammadAG: the n900 performs way better in anything I have seen on an iphone yet... except weather forecast live view... Oct 18 15:01:57 is there any way to at least copy the data before I replace it with a fresh flash? -.- Oct 18 15:04:51 chem|st, well, no paypal, whatsapp, viber etc on the N900 Oct 18 15:05:29 I'm not a big fan of closed shit, but you either change friends (or stalk them to be able to contact them) or get an iPod apparently Oct 18 15:05:35 :( couldn't find the page, may u plz give me itself link ? Oct 18 15:05:56 luke-jr: your data is supposed to live on eMMC, not on rootfs/NAND Oct 18 15:06:23 DocScrutinizer: unfortunately, hacking /etc means rootfs/NAND Oct 18 15:06:33 timmyt: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog search fcam Oct 18 15:06:46 luke-jr: yup Oct 18 15:07:18 luke-jr: I assume you did frequent backups using backupmenu Oct 18 15:07:45 haha Oct 18 15:07:46 who the fsck needs whatsapp? Oct 18 15:07:56 WTF is whatsapp Oct 18 15:07:59 and what's wrong with web paypal ui? Oct 18 15:08:44 well, by n900 is pretty smooth now.. but i think it is due to activesync i disabled :-( Oct 18 15:10:18 MohammadAG: whatsapp is the worst I have ever seen and if you read the policy and registration agreement you wouldn't install such shit! Oct 18 15:11:13 DocScrutinizer what is that faq page? Oct 18 15:11:14 MohammadAG: my sister in law asked me to install it on her phone, while installing it I had a look at the agreement and read it out loud to her, and we both agreed that you do not want it on your phone... Oct 18 15:11:31 Ive reinstalled fcam driver Oct 18 15:14:38 I feeded my N900 with some drink a while ago. It seeemed fine then, but I think the GPS chip is borked. I will not miss it (i rarely used it at all), but how can I confirm this? Oct 18 15:15:11 It's too bad if it is, but oh well, I don't care that much about that thing Oct 18 15:15:16 chem|st, doesn't it read your contact list? Oct 18 15:15:23 Just want to have a sort of confirm Oct 18 15:15:41 DocScrutinizer, IM that uses phone numbers as usernames Oct 18 15:15:55 MohammadAG: it is like facebook but with direct access to your phone, and it "may be" pay2use in 2012 Oct 18 15:16:04 so basically, it reads your contact list and shows what contacts have whatsapp, and you have them already there Oct 18 15:16:16 but it's closed (and based on XMPP) Oct 18 15:16:27 chem|st, it is pay to use, 1 year trial Oct 18 15:16:37 by then they'll switch to iMessage or sth Oct 18 15:17:35 MohammadAG: first reason not to use Oct 18 15:18:33 MohammadAG: icq changed the policy back in the early millenium to "all your bases are belong to us"... the only thing to use nowadays without any risk is jabber on your own server! Oct 18 15:21:16 Some command would be able to list detected devices, wouldn't it? Oct 18 15:21:57 like lsusb for USB things, lspci for PCI things, etc Oct 18 15:23:33 you fed your n900 with a drink :p ?? Oct 18 15:23:48 what were you thinking ... it'll overclock and stay cool? Oct 18 15:23:51 :) Oct 18 15:23:54 just kidding :) Oct 18 15:28:08 I love how Linux no longer supports bridging a usbnet device -.- Oct 18 15:28:22 luke-jr: ? Oct 18 15:28:29 can't add usb0 to bridge lan0: Operation not supported Oct 18 15:28:51 pretty sure that used to work Oct 18 15:29:26 [17:19:29] what were you thinking ... it'll overclock and stay cool? Oct 18 15:29:30 of course :P Oct 18 15:29:40 hehe Oct 18 15:30:05 * t7^ pats his n900 sitting quiet on the table -_- Oct 18 15:30:23 omg, ukeyboard again doesn't work. Oct 18 15:31:01 I've reinstalled maemo, it worked even after I recovered previously installed software via backup application. Oct 18 15:31:28 ammm, if I pastebin outpus of ps ax or smth, may be it will help to guess what's blocking virtual keyboard? Oct 18 15:36:47 NIN101: ping Oct 18 15:37:06 luke-jr: pong Oct 18 15:37:26 NIN101: trying to save my system with your rescueOS, but … do I really have to type everything? XD Oct 18 15:37:33 yes. Oct 18 15:37:36 NIN101: I found telnetd, but the root password seems undocumented :| Oct 18 15:37:46 and /etc is read-only Oct 18 15:38:05 on the initrd image, yes. "rootme" is the root password. Oct 18 15:38:17 ah, nice Oct 18 15:38:18 that helps Oct 18 15:38:30 NIN101: what was your "plan" for copying data off? ;) Oct 18 15:39:10 and, did you map a tab key >.> Oct 18 15:39:52 Ive installed fcam drivers,but it still doesnt work Oct 18 15:40:41 Please help me, Oct 18 15:40:44 first of all, how much battery do you have? You should run charging script. For copying data: mount ; cp ; tar. That simple. And yes, it is mapped, but keyboard is not localized it, means, it is using an us layout or something. Oct 18 15:40:53 NIN101: I have your charger script running on the console Oct 18 15:41:18 so no way to move data over the network? :| Oct 18 15:41:25 it is not mine :-). Oct 18 15:41:48 network, hmm... Oct 18 15:43:15 there is ftpd Oct 18 15:43:45 Mr docscrutinizer, i did reinstalled fcam drivers, but it still doesn't work Oct 18 15:43:55 * luke-jr doesn't think he has a FTP client >_< Oct 18 15:47:10 I have installed kernel power and since then camera doesn't work.ive also installed that mother fucker fcam driver,but it still doesn't work Oct 18 15:53:14 :o Oct 18 15:53:33 so before the power kernel your cam was working timmyt ? Oct 18 15:54:59 Yes Oct 18 15:55:59 Ugh Oct 18 15:56:06 Fools Oct 18 16:03:32 ~ping Oct 18 16:03:32 ~pong Oct 18 16:04:14 let me repeat, hm? if I pastebin output of ps may be somebody will have an idea which process stops working my virtual keyboard? Oct 18 16:09:26 hmm Oct 18 16:10:22 * luke-jr cries Oct 18 16:10:29 I downgraded the kernel and it STILL won't boot Oct 18 16:11:07 ok so I have a off topic question ... how many of you have used a laptop for development? Was it an inconvenience? Oct 18 16:12:36 im doing it for the past 1½year Oct 18 16:12:47 otoh i usually dont take that laptop anywhere... :P Oct 18 16:13:13 flashing 1.3 kernel doesnt make the device functional? Oct 18 16:13:28 apparently not Oct 18 16:13:47 oh cool frals .. I always wanted a tablet pc, and now i'm buying it I think!! Oct 18 16:14:11 but it has a 12.5" screen -_- and I'm nervous! Oct 18 16:14:15 $1300 Oct 18 16:14:23 no N9 for me this year -_- Oct 18 16:14:24 lol Oct 18 16:14:37 * vilociraptor` holds n900 even closer Oct 18 16:17:08 luke-jr: pong Oct 18 16:18:11 vilociraptor`: my laptop has a 15.6" screen ;p Oct 18 16:18:55 this old one i'm using right now has the same, but its like 5 years old Oct 18 16:19:01 jacekowski: any idea what those zimages you made me over a year ago did? XD Oct 18 16:19:15 and its heavy .. so for the first time i'm thinking of buying a light weight machine Oct 18 16:19:15 hmm, is it safe to wipe /dev/mtd2 ? Oct 18 16:34:02 … Oct 18 16:34:03 for whatever "wipe", probably yes Oct 18 16:34:20 DocScrutinizer: yeah, "how" is the next question XD Oct 18 16:34:28 I don't suppose dd /dev/zero is ideal Oct 18 16:34:41 honestly, nfc Oct 18 16:34:43 * luke-jr emerge mtd-tools Oct 18 16:34:56 nanderase maybe Oct 18 16:35:12 maybe I *should* just backup.. Oct 18 16:35:27 is it pretty safe to assume reflashing won't touch eMMC? Oct 18 16:36:20 for combined yes Oct 18 16:36:34 I wish Maemo had etckeeper Oct 18 16:37:18 re mtd, I gather that's a ringbuffer, and no clue how kernel "mtdconsole" decides where to write to it Oct 18 16:37:55 it's also rather annoying there's seemingly no proper tool to read it in a legible way Oct 18 16:38:24 strings Oct 18 16:38:26 :p Oct 18 16:38:30 I just wish it had timestamps Oct 18 16:39:55 err, yep Oct 18 16:40:50 actually it has: raw unix time Oct 18 16:40:53 ? Oct 18 16:41:01 anything to backup besides rootfs? Oct 18 16:41:35 your rootfs backup isn't complete without /opt Oct 18 16:42:01 why not? /opt is on eMMC so won't be wiped, right? Oct 18 16:42:36 where to find raw unix time in mtd2? Oct 18 16:45:29 it will get wiped on booting your next fresh rootfs Oct 18 16:46:05 my dump starts like "^A^@^@^@^@]^@" Oct 18 16:46:31 [80632.333312] 3b60: 00000080 cf019414 c028431c c0355a20 c0353b94 c0353b80 c005794c c00575e4 -- is a line that seems to have timestamp Oct 18 16:47:03 and eventually there shows up another "^B^@^@^@^@]^@]" Oct 18 16:47:16 looks lke metainfo Oct 18 16:47:50 "^C^@^@^@^@]^@]" is next one Oct 18 16:47:50 well, timestamps are worthless anyway when there's no clock at boot Oct 18 16:48:58 "^D^@^@^@^@]^@]" next, in >> [80632.343200] Code: bad PC value. ^D^@^@^@^@]^@][80632.344055] mtdoops: Ready 3, 4 (no erase) << Oct 18 16:49:13 blah Oct 18 16:50:27 looking into mtdoops.c in kernel sources might help ;-) Oct 18 16:52:28 btw all the above been less' notiation of special chars Oct 18 16:53:29 so ^D is probably one byte ascii ctrl-d, while is one byte 0xFF Oct 18 17:01:50 any solution for gtalk status show on contacts yet? Oct 18 17:04:20 hum Oct 18 17:04:35 looks like preinit runs at least Oct 18 17:21:06 CAL ERROR: open(/dev/mtd1): No such file or directory Oct 18 17:22:08 DocScrutinizer: luke-jr: what are you doing? Oct 18 17:23:03 slonopotamus: trying to get my N900 to boot again x.x Oct 18 17:23:28 huh Oct 18 17:23:33 you break all nxxx devices you touch? Oct 18 17:24:32 slonopotamus: all I did was apt-get upgrade! Oct 18 17:24:33 :/ Oct 18 17:27:20 DocScrutinizer, one obvious problem I have on my n900 is that when I save an attachment in claws-mail or a file in gnumeric the device reboots Oct 18 17:27:28 DocScrutinizer, not sure if it is related Oct 18 17:27:46 ouch Oct 18 17:27:54 DocScrutinizer, it could be that those 'extra apps' wants to safe in the root filesystem or something Oct 18 17:28:15 I don't have the problem when I save a note from notes for example Oct 18 17:28:25 also to luke-jr: OUCH, CAL nuked? Oct 18 17:34:31 not with leafpad Oct 18 17:36:06 DocScrutinizer: looks fine to me :x Oct 18 17:36:49 errr, how'd you tell that? Oct 18 17:36:56 I can view it in Gentoo Oct 18 17:37:13 is maemo's static /dev supposed to have mtd*? Oct 18 17:37:18 sure, but to me this crap never looked "fine" Oct 18 17:37:22 :p Oct 18 17:37:59 DocScrutinizer: what are your /dev/mtd* major/minors? Oct 18 17:38:06 in maemo Oct 18 17:38:14 luke-jr: dunno about "static" but yes, /dev/mtd.?(ro)? Oct 18 17:38:23 mompls Oct 18 17:38:35 static as in before tmpfs is mounted over it :P Oct 18 17:39:07 IroN900:~# ls -l /dev/mtd? Oct 18 17:39:08 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 0 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd0 Oct 18 17:39:10 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 2 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1 Oct 18 17:39:11 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 4 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd2 Oct 18 17:39:13 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 6 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd3 Oct 18 17:39:14 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 8 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd4 Oct 18 17:39:16 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 10 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd5 Oct 18 17:39:17 sorry for flooding :-/ Oct 18 17:40:21 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 2 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1 Oct 18 17:40:23 crw-rw---- 1 root root 90, 3 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/mtd1ro Oct 18 17:40:45 mtdblock0 ? Oct 18 17:41:10 no such thing Oct 18 17:42:15 strange thing: it does get to getbootstate: slide open, attempting to use bootmenu Oct 18 17:42:19 mtd* expands to mtd[0-5](ro)? Oct 18 17:49:42 luke-jr: i don't even remember which zimages are you talking about Oct 18 17:50:24 jacekowski: XD Oct 18 17:50:51 actually mtd[0-5]\(ro\)\? Oct 18 17:52:17 * jack_lt rm power-kernel, reboot Oct 18 17:52:35 jack_lt: err what? Oct 18 17:53:19 rm power-kernel to test with stock kernel Oct 18 17:53:22 I hope you actually installed stock kernel, kernel-flasher, kernel-modules Oct 18 17:53:31 right Oct 18 17:53:51 you can't rm a kernel on a unix machine and hope it will still work Oct 18 17:54:17 s/ a / the /. Oct 18 17:54:55 ok gnumeric saves just fine with stock kernel Oct 18 17:54:57 hmm Oct 18 17:55:09 Unable to open frame buffer device /dev/fb0 Oct 18 17:55:15 this seems to be the key issue Oct 18 17:55:26 jack_lt: hmm, what's been your original problem Oct 18 17:55:30 ? Oct 18 17:55:37 or this: Error getting variable OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME value Oct 18 17:56:00 luke-jr: no fb without powerkernel Oct 18 17:56:15 DocScrutinizer: ? Oct 18 17:56:28 umm never mind Oct 18 17:57:00 claws-mail saves just fine with stock kernel Oct 18 17:57:09 hmm so power-kernel related ... Oct 18 17:58:28 DocScrutinizer, ^ Oct 18 17:58:47 DocScrutinizer, should a multiboot, stock | power-kernel work? Oct 18 17:59:02 multiboot is deprecated Oct 18 17:59:11 hmm Oct 18 17:59:27 doesn't sounds like an option then Oct 18 18:00:32 which version of PK was that? Oct 18 18:00:41 48 Oct 18 18:00:48 :nod: Oct 18 18:00:56 try 47, maybe even 46 Oct 18 18:01:03 is it possible to install booston without a pk Oct 18 18:01:04 ? Oct 18 18:01:17 to test it with stock Oct 18 18:01:32 booston will work on stock kernel, and I told you to test it on stock kernel Oct 18 18:02:10 ok, booston seems to be removed with the pk kernel Oct 18 18:02:37 hostmode however is 100% kernel patches and won't work on stock kernel Oct 18 18:03:20 umm, depending on how you flashed, it possibly got nuked from /sbin/, yes Oct 18 18:03:32 [ 5.322113] Warning: unable to open an initial console. Oct 18 18:03:35 is that in normal dmesg? Oct 18 18:04:47 rep "unable to open" /var/log/syslog doesn't yield this Oct 18 18:04:51 DocScrutinizer: ls -l /dev/fb0 Oct 18 18:05:05 ? Oct 18 18:05:32 IroN900:~# ll /dev/fb0 Oct 18 18:05:33 crw-rw---- 1 root video 29, 0 1970-01-01 01:00 /dev/fb0 Oct 18 18:05:49 hmm Oct 18 18:05:57 DocScrutinizer, sorry, how to chmod it again? Oct 18 18:06:13 chmod a+x Oct 18 18:06:50 gracias Oct 18 18:07:09 see if i2cset /-get are still available Oct 18 18:07:31 i2cget --help Oct 18 18:09:12 it is Oct 18 18:09:17 or ls /usr/local/sbin/i2c* Oct 18 18:09:25 ok Oct 18 18:09:30 hmm same error Oct 18 18:09:46 :-/ Oct 18 18:09:59 seems your hardware is a lil bit defect Oct 18 18:10:27 where "hardware" includes all the stuff you plug in to the N900 Oct 18 18:11:03 grrr Oct 18 18:11:32 big pita Oct 18 18:12:03 it can't be related to the filesystem of the n900 or user rights on it? Oct 18 18:12:21 indeed, as that not even is a warranty case, VBoost is no advertised property of the device Oct 18 18:12:32 hardly Oct 18 18:13:26 well, if you want to make sure, you may flash eMMC as well, going back to complete stock config Oct 18 18:13:43 are many n900s having problems with usb hostmode? Oct 18 18:14:02 actually that's the first case I heard of Oct 18 18:14:49 hmm ok Oct 18 18:14:57 have you already tested a powered USB hub? Oct 18 18:15:19 yep Oct 18 18:15:32 with external power attached? Oct 18 18:15:53 and my normal usb on the n900 does not have obvious problems... Oct 18 18:15:58 yep Oct 18 18:16:45 well, your normal USB doesn't use vboost mode of bq24150 and it doesn't imply usage of any F-F-adapter Oct 18 18:17:05 I still suspect that adapter(s) to be weirdly broken Oct 18 18:17:26 the FF adapter? Oct 18 18:17:30 yes Oct 18 18:17:33 I bought a new one Oct 18 18:17:36 the same ... Oct 18 18:17:39 but new Oct 18 18:17:41 same brand? Oct 18 18:17:49 useless Oct 18 18:17:50 maybe that was not a wise thing Oct 18 18:18:21 * jack_lt might try another one later Oct 18 18:18:40 wait a minute, we could do a test Oct 18 18:19:35 when I connect the powered hub I get the same error Oct 18 18:19:43 nothing on the hub Oct 18 18:21:05 jack_lt: would you like to do a test? Oct 18 18:21:19 depends :) Oct 18 18:21:49 look at the "open end" of your F-F adapter plugged to cable to N900 Oct 18 18:22:47 k Oct 18 18:23:01 hold it so that you see the 4 contacts on top of the (white) "tongue" Oct 18 18:23:28 k Oct 18 18:25:19 start booston, then short the right of the 4 contacts to the sleeve metal above, using e.g a small philips screwdriver, knitting needle, or similar Oct 18 18:25:57 watch of booston throws the OVERLOAD error - if not try shorting the leftmost contact same way Oct 18 18:26:24 short? Oct 18 18:26:33 shortcircuit Oct 18 18:26:49 just touch it? Oct 18 18:26:50 touch both the contact and the metal sleeve same time Oct 18 18:27:12 k Oct 18 18:28:11 if your adapter is OK regarding what I suspect, the it will cause OVERLOAD on right contact. When it is as messed up as I think, it will cause same error on left contact Oct 18 18:29:38 that depends on which side you have up ... Oct 18 18:29:54 white part up or down Oct 18 18:31:41 when I have white part down, left Oct 18 18:32:28 yes, that's what I told you. White "tongue" down, with contacts on TOP Oct 18 18:33:06 right, left ... Oct 18 18:33:17 and left contact causing it is exactly what I thought, those idiots contacted the F-F adapter directly instead of crossing the wires Oct 18 18:33:41 hmm Oct 18 18:34:19 which means ALL your peripherals got plus on ground, and minus on +VBUS Oct 18 18:35:10 so that could / is the cause Oct 18 18:35:14 = the good news Oct 18 18:35:18 that IS the cause Oct 18 18:35:21 do you suggest a brand? Oct 18 18:35:27 for a FF adapter? Oct 18 18:35:31 sorry, no idea Oct 18 18:36:08 anyway, thx a lot Oct 18 18:36:14 I hope you're right Oct 18 18:36:24 would be great Oct 18 18:36:36 trust me, I am - if you did the test exactly like I told you Oct 18 18:38:28 left from my point of view? Oct 18 18:38:35 sure Oct 18 18:39:16 ok Oct 18 18:39:32 should be done the way you told me Oct 18 18:39:46 hmm maybe I should test it in the shop Oct 18 18:39:52 looking into the receptacle you got the white thingy on lower half, cavity on upper. The gold contacts fact upward on top of the white thingy, and left contact seen from your POV is the one that indicates sth is wrong Oct 18 18:40:21 s/fact/face/ Oct 18 18:40:21 DocScrutinizer meant: looking into the receptacle you got the white thingy on lower half, cavity on upper. The gold contacts face upward on top of the white thingy, and left contact seen from your POV is the one that indicates sth is wrong Oct 18 18:40:44 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/18/riaa_biggest_threat_innovation_senator/ <-- ROFL Oct 18 18:41:11 right Oct 18 18:41:25 I buy another one and report back Oct 18 18:41:36 you think this is a design error from their part? Oct 18 18:44:00 jack_lt: think along with me: your PC has host ports, your cable plugged in there has + on right side. now you unplug the cable, turn it towards you, now plus is on left side. you plug F-F adapter on it and plug in another similar plug to the F-F adapter. Obviously this plug is facing away from you and thus has plus on right side. Oct 18 18:44:39 so what your F-F adapter needs to do is cross all the 4 wires. Yours doesn't Oct 18 18:46:31 so I want my money back Oct 18 18:46:45 I'd say at very least that Oct 18 18:46:56 but it shouldn Oct 18 18:47:03 t work on a laptop? Oct 18 18:47:13 sorry? Oct 18 18:47:18 or is this specific to the n900 Oct 18 18:47:37 I can test the FF on my laptop Oct 18 18:47:40 such a sort of adapter has no "official" usage Oct 18 18:48:16 no, your laptop probably is standards conform and thus has no way to test a single such F-F adapter Oct 18 18:48:19 you suspect that connecting an usb stick via this FF adapter to the laptop, fails? Oct 18 18:48:28 you can't Oct 18 18:48:28 ok Oct 18 18:49:16 you'll find no way to plug a usb stick to your laptop with just the F-F adapter plus "standard" cables Oct 18 18:50:43 and if you'd use 2 F-F adapters or sth like that, they would fix the issue by swapping twice Oct 18 19:24:32 thx bbl Oct 18 19:33:07 anyone using an expresscard ssd? Oct 18 19:43:20 Personally, I ordered one of these: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-cable-coupler-extension-connector-2646 Oct 18 19:50:13 been a long time since I've done a DX order Oct 18 20:38:10 Hi! I just got my n900 and just want to make sure how I flash it. I flash it with this commands: Oct 18 20:38:17 1. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Oct 18 20:38:29 ~flash Oct 18 20:38:29 2. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Oct 18 20:38:30 i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 18 20:38:40 3. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Oct 18 20:39:07 NIN101: thx Oct 18 20:40:39 yeah, it looks like I was right :) I hope I dont brick the phone now :) Oct 18 20:40:50 good luck Oct 18 20:46:37 It's hard to brick Oct 18 20:46:53 but make sure you have fully charged battery before you start, because it will not flash on not-full battery Oct 18 20:48:32 make *SURE* Oct 18 20:48:51 and s/hard/almost impossible/ Oct 18 20:59:00 great! I have charged the battery for about one hour, hopfully it will be fully charged soon Oct 18 21:30:16 for those of us who didn't qualify to get a N950...would it be a bad idea to get a spare N900 before it vanishes? (assuming that one doesn't want to cut their sim to fit the N9)? Oct 18 21:31:02 if you can live without official updats from nokia. Oct 18 21:31:09 then probably not. Oct 18 21:31:21 NIN101: is the N950 going to have official updates? Oct 18 21:31:47 also, is there any other option out there for a non Android Linux phone with features at least as good as the N900? Oct 18 21:33:00 N950 will probably get updates for some time, but I don't have one and I am not always up to date with the N9/N950 harmattan stuff. Oct 18 21:34:44 yes but the N950 is not going to be available for purchase, right? Oct 18 21:34:55 or has that changed? Oct 18 21:35:17 no it has not changed. Oct 18 21:35:40 so there is no options :( Oct 18 21:35:59 and N900 hasn't been getting updates for ages already, so :P Oct 18 21:36:08 exactly Oct 18 21:36:23 I can tolerate the existing N900 as-is. Oct 18 21:36:39 just wanted to be ready for why my current N900 unit physically bites the dust Oct 18 21:36:41 even with N9/N950, updates will probably never fix specification bugs anyway Oct 18 21:37:37 n9's virtual keyboard is surprisingly non-frustrating compared to n900's hw-keyboard, not that I have really used any other touchscreen-only phones Oct 18 21:38:07 the deal breaker for the N9 is microSIM Oct 18 21:38:21 I suspect if I break my SIM, it won't get replaced Oct 18 21:38:26 even so, the lost screenspace is like having a 16x2 lcd again Oct 18 21:39:00 (or worse) Oct 18 21:39:10 has someone created like a graffiti input method? Oct 18 21:41:05 actually, has anyone gotten TMO to replace a broken sim for a grandfathered account? Oct 18 21:41:15 I heard literki is available for N9 Oct 18 21:42:41 http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Literki Oct 18 21:42:52 found that rather cool back when Oct 18 21:49:23 one thing though: the font used for the "keycaps" should have a shadow in complementary color, to give a better contrast in some unfortunate cases where you can't find a color for literky that gives good contrast to background for all keys Oct 18 21:51:01 also auto color selection on popup resp. interactively triggered by a special key/gesture was nice Oct 18 21:52:03 looks like my Freerunner is dead too Oct 18 21:52:04 :| Oct 18 21:52:16 err :-S Oct 18 21:52:33 dead? Oct 18 21:52:36 too?? Oct 18 21:53:20 DocScrutinizer: yeah Oct 18 21:53:25 it doesn't do *anything* now :| Oct 18 21:53:43 I guess battery died Oct 18 21:57:06 * luke-jr does a fresh flash on N900 Oct 18 21:59:42 sigh Oct 18 22:12:19 well at least that worked :/ Oct 18 22:12:38 now to restore stuff Oct 18 23:45:36 wtf Oct 18 23:45:39 it's bricked again Oct 19 00:54:15 does anyone know if GMapToGPX can be used on the N900 directly to make routing easier with Google? Oct 19 01:03:33 does anyone know if GMapToGPX can be used on the N900 directly to make routing easier with Google? Oct 19 02:28:17 what a fucking waste **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Oct 19 02:59:57 2011