**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Oct 20 02:59:57 2011 Oct 20 03:13:56 alright. Oct 20 03:13:59 I need serious guidance Oct 20 03:14:03 I can't lose the data on my phone Oct 20 03:14:07 I dropped it in the toilet Oct 20 03:14:19 only was in there for a half second Oct 20 03:14:23 been blow drying it Oct 20 03:14:25 should I take it apart? Oct 20 03:24:26 fook hell Oct 20 03:24:30 it turns onn Oct 20 03:33:01 can the display be replaced? Oct 20 04:29:17 FIXED! Oct 20 04:29:25 put it in the oven with convection currrent Oct 20 04:29:31 tried to keep close to 100degF Oct 20 04:35:15 what broke? Oct 20 04:35:24 Dropped the phone in the toilet Oct 20 04:35:29 ouch Oct 20 04:35:30 n900, completely submerged Oct 20 04:35:34 yeah, I was very scareed Oct 20 04:35:38 seems to be fully functional Oct 20 04:35:46 except the vibrator and speakers so far Oct 20 04:35:46 good to hear that you managed to bring it back from the brink Oct 20 04:35:53 one hisses and the speakers aren't as sharp Oct 20 04:36:03 yeah man, and in only 30m Oct 20 04:36:11 needed info off of it to do what I needed to do tonight too Oct 20 05:29:31 hello people Oct 20 05:29:36 i have a small problem Oct 20 05:29:47 my media player is unable to buffer radio stations properly Oct 20 05:29:54 and it randomly stops Oct 20 05:30:09 can some one please help me figure out the problem Oct 20 05:30:10 ? Oct 20 06:43:42 What's the name of that experimental pre-fetch caching thing? Oct 20 06:45:54 woodchuck Oct 20 08:24:52 I'm trying to debug an N900 app using tcpdump/wireshark, but I can only see outgoing packets. Literally not a single incoming packet is captured. Do I need an extra step? I'm using Pali's power kernel Oct 20 08:49:42 hi all Oct 20 08:50:23 have anybody here untouched rx-51? can please someone pastebin it? Oct 20 09:03:53 i wonder if u don't need to specify what to pastebin :/ Oct 20 09:04:24 Sicelo: I think he wanted the device :) Oct 20 09:04:47 on pastebin? Oct 20 09:05:33 I am hoping it was a joke...? Oct 20 09:10:00 i think he does need something. for comparison with his current system setufp :0 Oct 20 09:10:17 s/tufp/tup/ Oct 20 09:10:18 Sicelo meant: i think he does need something. for comparison with his current system setup :0 Oct 20 09:19:01 is anybody running freemind on N900? Oct 20 09:20:07 wonder if i run atunes on N900:D Oct 20 09:47:50 internetishard: immediately remove batery, dry at slightly higher temperature for AT LEAST a week! Otherwise you WILL encounter defects in the long run Oct 20 09:49:21 remove back cover, stylus and slide it open Oct 20 09:50:31 cooler fan of a server etc is ideal Oct 20 10:03:26 I have a problem with my N900: One of the wlan networks (a WPA2 CCMP TKIP MSCHAPV2 network) doesn't connect automatically. All my other networks do, but with this one the N900 just stays connected to cellular instead of switching to WLAN. Clues? I tried removing/readding, no effect. Oct 20 10:03:35 Manually connecting works btw. Oct 20 10:04:54 Search interval is 10 minutes and it doesn't connect Oct 20 10:05:27 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 pfff oh great Oct 20 10:05:30 04Bug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise Oct 20 10:05:34 "Low enhancement with 55 votes " Oct 20 10:06:45 silly nokia Oct 20 10:27:18 has anyone succesfully used dbus-cxx on meego? Oct 20 10:27:32 whoa: 6063 cri Uns Maem nobody@maemo.org NEW voice calls inaudible most of the time, but not through speakers or earplugs 71 Oct 20 10:27:46 71 votes from people who can't use the phone to phone people Oct 20 10:41:06 WTF?! Oct 20 10:42:22 there's been a user here who complained about the same. Are YOU here? What's been result of a complete reflash? Oct 20 10:46:46 Shapeshifter: c'mon "problem with inbound sound for SKYPE(!!)" is >50% if initial posts. *completely* unrelated Oct 20 10:56:05 Shapeshifter: this is a sort of catch-all bug. There's everything from hw issues like contact problems of earpiece and beginning FPC breakage, over AV-connector messing up what device thinjks about status of wired headset, over NAT problems with VoIP/skype, to sw issues with notorious PA Oct 20 10:56:55 not to miss to mention the PEBKAC cases where volume gets handled wrong Oct 20 10:57:45 DocScrutinizer: no doubt. Oct 20 10:57:58 I'm just pissed at the classification of 'enhancement' for a bug that is a bug. Oct 20 10:58:09 freaking autoconnect doesn't connect automatically. Oct 20 10:58:20 "it's a feature BWHAHAHAHA" right. Oct 20 10:58:58 yeah Oct 20 11:00:27 I sometimes think the severity of a bug ticket gets determined by the likelihood that it ever will get fixed rather than the other way round Oct 20 11:00:40 ^^ Oct 20 11:03:55 ""video playback locks after 1..30 seconds->black screen, reboot needed"" .oO(>>meh, I never use video playback on that device. And afaik the whole video decoder/hw-accel was a PITA and closed anyway<<) sets bufg severity to "improvement" Oct 20 11:04:49 ^^^is what sometimes I figure how it is done Oct 20 11:09:34 the absolute master gag is "it's not a guaranteed feature". Like ""Can't call *#61#"" -> It's not a guaranteed feature Oct 20 11:09:54 lol Oct 20 11:11:32 is there a guaranteed feature? Oct 20 11:12:02 like the guy shooting at nokia cause of wpa enterprise in bugs.m.o, top 15 bugs having "low priority" at nokia is just dumb, well telling a company which is advertising a troyan horse for future devices won't be considered reliable/intelligent in the future Oct 20 11:12:30 -ENOPARSE Oct 20 11:12:35 Corsac: phonecalls, keyboard, mp3 playback Oct 20 11:26:29 The clown got trapped? \o/ Oct 20 11:26:51 clown? Oct 20 11:29:53 gaddafi Oct 20 11:33:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders how long UN and NATO want to sit back watching top-down terror in Syria Oct 20 11:35:36 well, sorry for clearly going OT Oct 20 11:36:08 np :) Oct 20 11:36:40 any one knows of a maemo software that would let me control desktop mouse cursor from n900? Oct 20 11:36:55 bluemaemo? Oct 20 11:37:09 * velociraptor` googles Oct 20 11:37:16 or vnc ;-) Oct 20 11:37:45 ~maemopkg Oct 20 11:37:45 well, maemopkg is http://maemo.org/packages/ Oct 20 11:37:51 no vnc! dont wanna use that -_- Oct 20 11:38:25 yea I know, just reading web pages about it before installing it Oct 20 11:38:38 * velociraptor` pats infobot Oct 20 11:38:44 http://maemo.org/packages/view/bluemaemo/ Oct 20 11:40:36 :o Oct 20 11:40:59 bluemaemo: Depends: efl-core but it is not going to be installed Oct 20 11:41:24 >: Oct 20 11:56:16 ~seen vdvsx Oct 20 11:56:23 vdvsx <~vdvsx@Maemo/community/contributor/VDVsx> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 99d 17h 27m 33s ago, saying: 'RST38h: DocScrutinizer hey, was here last weekend, IIRC :)'. Oct 20 11:57:31 any good java game to run on N900? Oct 20 11:59:02 how to check state of battery via xterminal? Oct 20 12:02:56 nothing better than bq27200, imo Oct 20 12:03:21 jacks_lt: ^^ Oct 20 12:03:32 bq27200? Oct 20 12:05:11 from http://cruisemaniac.posterous.com/check-battery-level-from-terminal-on-n900 Oct 20 12:05:19 hal-device bme | grep 'percentage\|current\|design' Oct 20 12:08:42 does that work when h-e-n is running? Oct 20 12:09:32 no idea Oct 20 12:10:07 no. it won't. h-e-n stops bme. it is mentioned in the h-e-n gui Oct 20 12:10:25 yea Oct 20 12:10:44 is there another way then? Oct 20 12:10:58 but i just ran hen and that bme message came, and then i tried that command line again Oct 20 12:11:04 yeah. wait Oct 20 12:11:12 and it is giving me slightly different value, but most r the same Oct 20 12:11:55 but after hen I think all values will just freeze to what they are. Oct 20 12:13:43 DocScrutinizer ? ^ Oct 20 12:14:03 jacks_lt: bq27200... check out: wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter Oct 20 12:20:18 bme -> hald-addon-bme -> hal . Stopped bme will cause values in HAL be bogus or obsolete. Restart of bme causes bme confusion, and will take quite some time until bme got a somewhat sane idea of battery state again (not that bme idea of battery state is ever much more than guesswork). bq27200.sh will read out bat-gauge chip directly, and report correctly about voltage and current in/out aka charge/load. The charge% values of bq27200 chip Oct 20 12:20:19 may (CI=0) or may not (CI=1; CI=CalculationIncorrect) be accurate. You need a bit of insight into the way this chip works to calculate charge% and mAh values, to know what the values actually mean or when to trust them and when not Oct 20 12:22:49 my original script bq27k-detail ( http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail ) doesn't work ootb on maemo kernel, but for sure has some nice explanations of the values, so maybe it's worth to look into it Oct 20 12:37:01 DocScrutinizer I have such a cable for my flash drive, is it possible to use it for charging my n900 via an active hub? http://www.google.nl/imgres?q=y+cable+usb+drive&hl=nl&client=firefox-a&hs=YQD&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&biw=1280&bih=619&tbm=isch&tbnid=1ugnQsFPnBKt9M:&imgrefurl=http://www.priceinspector.co.uk/p/auxiliary%2520in%2520cable/f/desc,True/&docid=uYlcqWLzL26pvM&imgurl=http://www.crescentelectronics.co.uk/media/catalog/produc Oct 20 12:37:55 sorry this URL doesn't work Oct 20 12:38:25 http://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3417.html Oct 20 12:38:36 please check your URLs (also for useless lenrth) before posting here Oct 20 12:39:10 the snd one works right? Oct 20 12:39:26 yes, this cable looks OK for ~hostmode-charging Oct 20 12:41:48 but the USB B male connector is not very useful I think Oct 20 12:41:49 the USB-B plug probably should fit to a USB hub upstream port. You'll need to plug the "main" USB-A plug to your F-F adapter -> N900, and the "power" USB-A plug to some charger or power supply (or even one of the DOWNstream ports of a powered hub) Oct 20 12:48:10 If I buy a y-cable, are there ones which don´t work? Oct 20 12:48:46 jacks_lt: how on earth should a y cable not work? Oct 20 12:49:33 dunno, just to be sure Oct 20 12:49:54 how on earth would a FF extendor not work... Oct 20 12:50:07 I found out... Oct 20 12:53:30 how on earth shall I know if there's a fsckdup Y-cable out there in the wild? Oct 20 12:54:43 I've not found any that suggest by mere product description that they wouldn't work for this purpose, FWIW Oct 20 12:55:29 microusb and two ´normal´ usb ports on such a cable is ideal? Oct 20 12:55:54 not as if product descriptions of Y-cables are frequently particularly comprehensive or accurate Oct 20 12:56:11 jacks_lt: sounds nice, yes Oct 20 12:56:58 you could plug the micro to N900 directly, and the F-F adapter to the main A plug Oct 20 12:59:43 k Oct 20 13:00:55 hmm but my n900 adapter is microusb :) Oct 20 13:03:01 I can´t use the active hub for charging? Oct 20 13:07:22 or do I need a usb charger Oct 20 13:08:17 for those interested: i2cdump -y 2 0x55 b|tail -n +2|cut -d " " -f 2-17|./bq27k-detail " " Oct 20 13:08:31 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail Oct 20 13:09:57 jacks_lt: you can use the active hub for providing power tho the 'red' USB-A plug of a Y-cable, or you could hack the hub to provide 5V to upstream port Oct 20 13:10:52 the cheaper hubs only have a diode to keep 5V away from upstream - short that diode and you'll need no Y-cable Oct 20 13:10:53 k nice Oct 20 13:18:13 * DocScrutinizer ponders how to include the i2cdump magic nto the bq27k-detail script so it would work on both platforms without any cmdline acrobatics Oct 20 13:22:07 where is the upstream port used for in this situation? For providing power? Or can you plugin the usb-A also in a downstream port? Oct 20 13:22:37 for power Oct 20 13:23:26 and what function has the microusb port in a y-cable normally, Usb-A or not? Oct 20 13:28:30 in other words, do I need two FF adapters when having a y-cable with micro-usb Oct 20 13:29:18 when powering via the hub Oct 20 14:20:51 so i can charge while on h-e-n after all. dumb me, misunderstanding the meaning of the notification Oct 20 14:21:47 ~hostmode-charging Oct 20 14:21:48 i guess hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 Oct 20 14:25:45 yep, I am planning to power via external hub and use my usb keybd via y cable http://www.onlinekabelshop.nl/webshop/webshop/;jsessionid=CB0BA821BF878023D13851D86A69749A?__stateless=CB0BA821BF878023D13851D86A69749A Oct 20 14:37:40 it will work jacks_lt ;) Oct 20 14:38:25 i don't even have hub .. i just connected to a free usb port on my lappy Oct 20 14:46:04 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2 Oct 20 14:46:23 request for test Oct 20 14:52:12 jacks_lt: on a Y-cable you have a "normal cable" with an additional power plug (usually USB-A, sometimes red, frequently the plug on the end of the short thin cable). Plug this power plug to any ower supply where it fits to - powered USB hub downstream ports are such a power source, PC USB hostports are one, USB wallwart chargers are yet another one) Oct 20 14:52:56 use the other two plugs of the Y-cable in same way you'd do with a "normal cable", add F-F adapters or whatever needed Oct 20 14:55:15 hmm, is there an existing package for XML::Parser somewhere? Oct 20 14:55:33 DocScrutinizer: which bash u suggest for the script? i see bash, bash3, bash4 Oct 20 14:55:58 dunno, I have bash3 here iirc Oct 20 14:56:05 shouldn't matter Oct 20 14:57:19 ok. but i'll be a while. going to school now. Oct 20 14:57:51 np, works here. Just hope it doesn't act up for you, so feedback welcome any time Oct 20 14:58:55 probably I should add an additional check to make sure it will run on N900 only Oct 20 14:59:22 it's not a good idea to run this script on arbitrary hw platforms Oct 20 14:59:40 DocScrutinizer ok usb works... what about connecting a midi keybd to the n900 :) For example to make a score in lilypond on the n900 / via debian chroot / or ssh -X Oct 20 14:59:56 http://www.volny.cz/smilauer/rumor/rumor.html Oct 20 15:00:22 http://lilypond.org/ Oct 20 15:00:28 no idea about midi kbd, as long as it has a USB interface you might get it working Oct 20 15:00:53 http://frescobaldi.org/ Oct 20 15:01:22 http://www.linuxaudio.org/mailarchive/laa/2011/10/12/185135 Oct 20 15:01:41 VMPK & FluidSynth 0.1.0 for Meego Harmattan ^ Oct 20 15:01:54 how hard will it be to get that thing on maemo? Oct 20 15:04:36 if it works on Harmattan ... Oct 20 15:14:27 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 20 15:17:26 Allright. I'm about to preemtively solder down the USB port on my n900. Anything I may do wrong? Oct 20 15:17:30 (I do have a steady hand though) Oct 20 15:17:44 ~usb-fix Oct 20 15:17:44 Fixate receptacle like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=547991#post547991 - get the pic.zip form there http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870017&postcount=27 for details how to deal with contact pads came off, or >>NEVER use epoxy glue!<< Oct 20 15:18:34 kerio: thanks Oct 20 15:20:14 nothing to add Oct 20 15:20:41 maybe just: "cover your camera lens!" Oct 20 15:21:42 I sure hope I don't break it :) Oct 20 15:21:50 * Shapeshifter washes hands Oct 20 15:22:20 chance to break a working USB by doing preemptive fix is very low Oct 20 15:23:02 * Shapeshifter frowns upon miniature hexagon screws Oct 20 15:23:50 maybe you want to plug in some USB cable to avoid solder intruding into the receptacle thru the apertures Oct 20 15:24:10 torx 6 screws Oct 20 15:24:21 need a tx6 driver for them Oct 20 15:24:52 and TAKE CARE about the flat plastic cable, it's *very* delicate Oct 20 15:25:23 damn I don't have a torx that small. Oct 20 15:25:35 remove the borad2board connector with e.g a credit card - never pull the cable Oct 20 15:26:53 hmm, you'll need to go shopping first. Maybe you can get fresg screws at same shop ;-) (manual says they are use-once-discard) Oct 20 15:27:38 :/ Oct 20 15:29:55 anyway I assume you read the L1_2 manual about disassembling the device Oct 20 15:31:05 of course not Oct 20 15:31:12 I have no expertise whatsoever Oct 20 15:32:20 wow it's dusty Oct 20 15:33:52 and it's covered in green rust Oct 20 15:40:33 you should make damn sure you read and understand the disassembling instructions of Service Manual L1_2 Oct 20 15:41:14 ~manual Oct 20 15:41:14 i guess manual is at http://www.ibot.org/guide-0.43.x.html, or there is no manual, ibot.org is gone, read the source. Oct 20 15:44:31 DocScrutinizer: am I supposed to remove the micro sd element that sits ontop of the usb port? Oct 20 15:44:47 yes Oct 20 15:44:53 ds-sticky Oct 20 15:45:31 carefully peel off Oct 20 15:46:16 I wasn't too concerned about replacing the sticky foam that hold it Oct 20 15:47:13 just make sure it doesn't stick together and builds knots that are too fat for proper re-assembling - better cut away those knots Oct 20 15:48:04 basically the sticky isn't exactly needed for the device to function properly Oct 20 15:48:32 man there sure is a lot of rust in my n900 Oct 20 15:48:34 bbl Oct 20 15:48:40 tough thing Oct 20 15:49:10 RUST??? Oct 20 15:49:33 green rust Oct 20 15:49:36 on the alu parts Oct 20 15:49:45 errrr Oct 20 15:49:50 stain-like things Oct 20 15:50:14 the alu is steel, and green rust could only be copper Oct 20 15:50:24 odd Oct 20 15:50:29 zinc chromate? Oct 20 15:50:32 probably collected dust from your green jeans Oct 20 15:50:46 lardman: :-o Oct 20 15:50:52 possible Oct 20 15:50:56 I'll upload pictures later Oct 20 15:51:08 perhaps they made N900s out of broken aircraft Oct 20 15:51:16 though I can't see why anything would be crome-plated in there Oct 20 15:51:36 It's not dust. I keep the n900 in my pocket all of the time and I sweat quite a bit. And I lived near the equator for a few months where it's always humid anyway. Oct 20 15:52:05 wow, and it still is alive Oct 20 15:52:09 awesome, right? Oct 20 15:52:11 ;) Oct 20 15:52:11 I found green on a samsung that was dropped Oct 20 15:53:17 damn, I serviced literally thousands of electronic devices in my life, and never seen green anything except when batteries leaked Oct 20 15:53:23 * lardman heads for home Oct 20 15:53:30 So the USB socket has two little feet. From the picture on TMO I figure I can just apply solder right there even between the two and not break anything. Oct 20 15:54:23 ooh wait, some massive steel with zinc plating sometimes has a white-greenish stain Oct 20 15:55:28 Shapeshifter: it actually has 4 feet, but you don't care about those, just solder as much of both sides to groundplane as possible Oct 20 15:56:10 don't use a too weak iron for that Oct 20 15:56:23 that'S a soldering job for the big iron Oct 20 15:56:47 well, big as in 40W are not too much Oct 20 15:58:30 I have to work with what I have ^^ Oct 20 15:58:41 15W Oct 20 15:58:46 ouch Oct 20 15:59:31 is it a serious problem? Oct 20 15:59:46 this will get terribly clumsy as the groundplane is really large and made of copper, dissipates quite a bit of energy and thus cools down small soldering iron Oct 20 16:01:10 you may improve the amount of available energy from iron, by winding some blank 50g of copper wire around the tip Oct 20 16:02:09 also preheating the PCB to some 50..60° helps a bit Oct 20 16:02:15 °C Oct 20 16:03:15 well, just see if you can first cover the groundplane Oct 20 16:03:21 pads with solder Oct 20 16:03:50 the do same with receptacle sides Oct 20 16:04:27 then see if you can heat up all the groundplane plus USB plus solder you apply so all melts same time Oct 20 16:04:53 this shouldn't take longer than 15 seconds though Oct 20 16:05:17 as otherwise nearby components are heating up as well Oct 20 16:05:34 would it be bad if some solder sticks to the metal cover which is right next to the usb port? the one when looking from the outside, on the left Oct 20 16:06:06 On the right there's open space, but on the left there's little space Oct 20 16:06:27 not really as long as there are no shorts caused to the contact pins Oct 20 16:06:58 I think I'll do it like on the picture and only solder the outermost pin on the left side Oct 20 16:07:04 avoiding the narrow space Oct 20 16:07:15 should ork Oct 20 16:07:18 work Oct 20 16:07:39 for sure better than original state Oct 20 16:09:42 damn, I thought it changed the usb-fix factoid to point to that nice new thread Oct 20 16:13:26 * ML-37 *grins* Oct 20 16:14:56 \o/ now wiki,m,o is down Oct 20 16:19:09 Shapeshifter: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 Oct 20 16:19:56 dang, infobot!!!! Oct 20 16:23:49 DocScrutinizer: thanks Oct 20 16:24:06 what I did here must be some of the worst soldering in history. but okay, seems better than before Oct 20 16:25:32 I'll just leave it at this :< Oct 20 16:26:03 mh, damaging the usb plug on the cable side is a neat idea Oct 20 16:26:18 http://www.google.de/search?q=Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf Oct 20 16:26:30 damaging it for what? Oct 20 16:26:30 DocScrutinizer: thanks! .. .I'm done now :D Oct 20 16:26:43 vadimq: http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=22216&d=1313850352 Oct 20 16:26:51 vadimq: so that it slides out of the port more easily Oct 20 16:27:12 ahh, I used a dremel Oct 20 16:27:30 it's a silly idea, I just pushed the latches a bit so the get "softer" Oct 20 16:28:15 the N950 cable however is *really* nasty (well, and new/unused) Oct 20 16:28:32 CA-179 Oct 20 16:29:11 nah, it works nicely. Actually when I got the N900 one of the first things I found in the forum is that the USB port was fragile. So I figured I'd grind down the connector a bit Oct 20 16:29:33 it still holds in place nicely Oct 20 16:31:34 it's curious that the point of the micousb connector is that it was stronger than miniusb. And then they went and soldered it badly Oct 20 16:32:46 * Shapeshifter dislikes all USB Oct 20 16:32:55 it's the most un-universal universal connector Oct 20 16:34:21 these days it seems it's all normal USB and micro, so it's not so bad Oct 20 16:34:37 Shapeshifter: indeed Oct 20 16:34:43 my headphones charge from a microusb connector too, it's handy Oct 20 16:36:38 only thing I don't like is the A plug. Whose idea was it to make a square thing that looks identical from the outside either way but can only be plugged in one orientation? Oct 20 16:37:35 My main annoyance is it not specifying a 'high power' mode. Oct 20 16:38:00 If - when plugged into an appropriate hub - a device could request 30V@0.5A - that would eliminate about 90% of wall-warts. Oct 20 16:38:33 there is a high power mode -- shorting the data pins. Which the N900 requires from a dumb charger btw Oct 20 16:38:39 Not quite. Oct 20 16:38:47 That can do maybe 4W, not 15. Oct 20 16:39:16 15 can charge a laptop overnight, or run printers, or ... Oct 20 16:39:30 probably not safe over usb cable though Oct 20 16:40:20 -leave Oct 20 16:40:33 valdyn: Quite safe. Oct 20 16:40:45 I don't think anybody was thinking of that back then. They were just replacing the serial port, which provides no useful power at all Oct 20 16:41:00 All USB cables can cope with 30V, it's within the scope of the super-extra-low-voltage directive, so it requires little regulation. Oct 20 16:42:55 point Oct 20 16:44:05 safety extra low voltage Oct 20 16:46:29 they *really* dropped the ball with USB3.0 Oct 20 16:50:34 Sigh. Oct 20 16:52:15 >>The United States Army's Land Warrior system uses standard USB signaling with 15.6 V power using a ruggedized connector from Glenair, Inc.<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usb#Proprietary_connectors_and_formats Oct 20 16:53:55 didn't the usb consortium forbid host mode for devices that can charge through usb or something like that? Oct 20 16:54:18 nah Oct 20 16:57:26 OTG devices may have no more than one USB connector Oct 20 16:57:48 at least you could read their specs that way Oct 20 16:58:15 mh, seems like I didn't destroy anything. n900 reassembled and runs fine Oct 20 16:58:20 hooray. Oct 20 16:58:34 and OTG specifies charging and hostmode, so no way they forbid that Oct 20 16:58:46 Shapeshifter: great :-D Oct 20 16:59:04 DocScrutinizer: hm, so is the openpandora in violation of the specs? Oct 20 16:59:05 DocScrutinizer: I thought it was the reason the n900 doesn't have host mode. that they 'had' to disable it. Oct 20 17:00:00 DocScrutinizer: low-grade equipment, cluelessness and a steady hand usually work when I solder ;) I assembled one of those Asuros once. Fun. Oct 20 17:00:00 they weren't able to deliver all the needed drivers for true OTG, so they changed the receptacle wrom AB to B Oct 20 17:00:06 ah Oct 20 17:00:06 from* Oct 20 17:00:54 Maybe I'll get a better iron for the other n900 I have when the time comes to take it out of its box. Oct 20 17:01:01 which calssifies the device as not OTG but rather simple peripheral/gadget, and those don't *need* any OTG drivers Oct 20 17:03:50 DocScrutinizer: was that before, during or after they made BME interfere with this stuff? Oct 20 17:04:42 Shapeshifter: yes Oct 20 17:04:54 kerio: :D Oct 20 17:05:18 DocScrutinizer: perhaps it's only one OTG connector? Oct 20 17:05:24 the openpandora has an OTG port and a host port Oct 20 17:07:02 kerio: please read the USB specs, I dunno for sure Oct 20 17:07:26 as mentioned before, you *could* read their specs that way Oct 20 17:07:46 I think it's pretty unclear Oct 20 17:09:15 i wonder if the screen is good enough for nethack Oct 20 17:09:44 the openpandora's screen Oct 20 17:09:49 the n900's... isn't Oct 20 17:11:04 I've played a couple of games on it. Oct 20 17:11:19 I hate vikeys Oct 20 17:11:30 SpeedEvil: well then you suck, sir Oct 20 17:11:52 also the OP has a dpad and two analogs - perhaps you can rebind keys in a satisfying way Oct 20 17:12:09 vikeys + no easy numbers = :( Oct 20 17:26:44 does anyone know how to forge the n950 flasher to allow a downgrade? Oct 20 17:26:48 s/force Oct 20 17:31:39 /topic Oct 20 17:31:58 and no, seems impossible Oct 20 17:34:03 Get the appropriate keys from nokia to do such. Oct 20 17:34:12 DocScrutinizer: oh well....n900 back on until pr1.1 flasher available Oct 20 17:34:34 What's up with your 950? Oct 20 17:34:49 Although now that I've taken it apart I'm quite disappointed how fat the n900 is looking at what's inside. There's a real lot of air and plastic in there. Oct 20 17:35:18 SpeedEvil: upgraded yesterday.....thismorning the alarm didnt go off (felt like an iphone user), clicking the clock app didnt open it, so i rebooted, and it didnt boot up! Oct 20 17:42:33 DocScrutinizer: still working flawlessly after blow drying putting it in the convection oven at 110degrees for about an hour Oct 20 17:42:49 worked right after the oven went 'ding' too Oct 20 17:42:51 :> Oct 20 17:45:04 it's not like it fails first then repairs itself with time. It's corroding during days and weeks until finally it breaks Oct 20 18:32:08 and you'll not notice this corrosion process until the irreversible damage done is sufficient to make the device fail. Water can stay between chip and PCB in those tiny gaps for weeks and longer, and it's not necessarily causing immediate electrical failure, but for sure causes (electrolytic) corrosion Oct 20 18:33:12 for as long as the voltage got applied Oct 20 20:51:20 Meanwhile: Lousiana has passed a law that says people may no longer use cash for second hand transactions. The idea being to make all transactions traceable, thus foiling copper theft, etc. Oct 20 20:52:02 so you have to pay with your cc on a yardsale? Oct 20 20:52:03 wait, what? Oct 20 20:52:19 RST38h: that sounds enforceable. Oct 20 20:52:46 x29a: cheques, i guess. that's going to make fraud an awful lot harder, for sure... Oct 20 21:51:20 hello #maemo Oct 20 21:52:37 Could anyone tell me, on what framerate N900 camera app is recording videos .mp4? (Basically, I mean CSSU one by nicolai, but AFAIK it have not changed yet, at least until freemangordon's patches for 720p recordings got incorporated) Oct 20 21:54:40 the thing is that I've recorded 630 MB video file of very important video, and it got corrupted (header) while saving. RAW video and audio data is there, but mp4 header is totally screwed. After week of sitting in quicktime mov specification and datasheets, I've found a working way to recorver it - basically, suck raw video and audio stream, + encqpsulate them in totally new .mp4 with manual headers creation. Oct 20 21:55:19 it is working almost perfectly - almost, because I can't set framerate that will not result in video/audio desynced at some point in video Oct 20 21:55:37 audio is playing correctly, just video is either little to slow or too fast Oct 20 21:56:40 I've tried to check with measuring tools/players, and refference (saved correctly) video from N900, but either I got no info about framerate, or - like players - average framerate is show, and it changes during replay time Oct 20 21:57:48 new improved version of http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2 Oct 20 21:58:39 I got desperated and counted all frames (not by hand, of course...), and I'm now trying to divide it by total seconds replay time, but it's showing me replay time in whole seconds, and even few hundres of milisend innacurracy desync video Oct 20 21:58:50 so, thanks in advance ;) Oct 20 22:05:20 yay Oct 20 22:05:45 needs a mp4 specialist Oct 20 22:05:53 I only know one: raster Oct 20 22:06:45 but I doubt he'll be available for this unless you manage to catch him on a public channel Oct 20 22:07:02 ~seen raster Oct 20 22:07:16 raster was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 6d 14h 47m 18s ago, saying: 'exciting as all hell'. Oct 20 22:07:16 infobot??? Oct 20 22:07:37 LOL Oct 20 22:10:57 thanks Doc Oct 20 22:11:05 will try to catch him Oct 20 22:11:25 how can I make my N900 display the "full" version of the windows live sites? Oct 20 22:12:40 DocScrutinizer, do You know raster TMO account name? I would also try there Oct 20 22:12:46 via pm Oct 20 22:13:00 haha, rater and tmo Oct 20 22:13:04 raster Oct 20 22:13:14 Venemo_N900, could You elaborate morea. Oct 20 22:13:28 or meego forum, whatever ;) Oct 20 22:14:08 the kind of things where You send message, and message arrive when the person is available - instead of pinging 30 times a day Oct 20 22:14:33 http://www.rasterman.com/ Oct 20 22:14:41 oh, thanks Oct 20 22:15:07 despite irc cult following, I think email-like method of communications are also very effective ;) Oct 20 22:15:23 I think he'll kill you Oct 20 22:15:42 ~questions Oct 20 22:15:43 Estel_, I'm talking about Microb and the fact that I only see the mobile version of the sites in it Oct 20 22:15:43 remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Oct 20 22:15:47 Recording of Tori Amos encore is worth that ;) Oct 20 22:16:01 Venemo_N900, You need to change user agent Oct 20 22:16:16 Estel_, to what? and how? Oct 20 22:17:00 its strange, cause most of the times microB is recognized as desktop browser... Hm, give me a sec. I never needed to do that on microB ;) Oct 20 22:17:31 DocScrutinizer, You're suggesting I'm not asking questions in agree with "smartway" terms, huh? Oct 20 22:18:31 yup. Thought smewhere in there was sth like "don't send uninvited PM unless you are *sure* the addressee is responsible for your problem" - OWTTE Oct 20 22:19:26 oh no problem, I can always blame DocScrutinizer on irc for forwarding me there ;) Oct 20 22:19:28 that's why I suggested you try to catch him in a public IRC channel Oct 20 22:19:29 joking. Oct 20 22:20:02 will do, will do... Venemo_N900, open microB and in adress field type: Oct 20 22:20:07 about:config Oct 20 22:20:23