**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 21 02:59:57 2011 Oct 21 05:14:45 hm Oct 21 05:14:58 trying to bid on a n900 Oct 21 05:15:10 im sure it will never work :) Oct 21 05:15:24 hut would be awesome if i won Oct 21 05:15:28 but Oct 21 05:46:22 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/21/thinfilm/ Oct 21 06:36:56 hi.. Anyone using the twitter plugin for n900? the one that integrates with conversations and stuff? Im having trouble with it. it logs on,logs off,logs on, logs off. and it says network error.. any idea? Oct 21 07:01:45 anyone know why PGZ-latitude-widget is reporting my location to google latitude as 5000km out when im inside Oct 21 07:01:50 its got something to do with gps reception Oct 21 07:02:21 also, the location is curiously only 5000km wrong in one direction! Oct 21 07:02:29 more or less Oct 21 07:03:07 using assisted GPS or just internal GPS? Oct 21 07:03:19 i dunno which it uses Oct 21 07:03:24 is there a global option for it? Oct 21 07:04:19 its under settings Oct 21 07:04:39 gps device is "internal gps" Oct 21 07:04:41 normally if its assisted GPS your device will connect to either WLAN or GPRS Oct 21 07:05:09 network positioning is enabled and set to supl.nokia.com Oct 21 07:05:54 i dont see any option for "assisted gps" Oct 21 07:06:34 no there isn't a setting for assisted GPS but network position is known as assisted GPS in other words Oct 21 07:06:52 ok, ill turn that off and see if it fixes the issue Oct 21 07:06:54 apparently supl.nokia.com is in bad shape of late. try supl.google.com Oct 21 07:07:04 true, ill try that Oct 21 07:08:05 I wouldn't turn it off (network positioning), it greatly benefits your internal GPS with the accuracy with locating where you are Oct 21 07:08:09 i had figured (wrongly) that network positioning was for cellsite location lookups Oct 21 07:08:46 yeah, ive changed it to supl.google.com Oct 21 07:08:57 psycho_oreos: it should not affect accuracy, just fix acquire time (cold boot), no? Oct 21 07:10:04 edheldil, not that I have examined in great detail under all sorts of weather conditions but I'm sure assisted GPS mode is not only faster but generally quite accurate even in cloudy days for instance or indoors/undercover Oct 21 07:14:49 wow, it does seem to lock faster now Oct 21 07:15:08 just waiting for pgz-latitude-widget to do its update and ill see if it fixed the 5000km out issue Oct 21 07:23:55 yay, it seems to have fixed the issue Oct 21 07:24:49 ;) Oct 21 07:25:43 thanks guys Oct 21 07:26:02 (or girls) Oct 21 08:57:38 :-D Oct 21 08:59:48 D-: Oct 21 09:05:10 hi, question: Is it possible to force the N900 attempt to reconnect to the phone network? Here's the thing: on my commute there's a 5 minute stretch when the train is over the ground. Depending on my luck, it may notice that there is a connection quickly, or right before going back underground Oct 21 09:05:40 so I'd like to have some way of forcing the phone to look for a tower again, so that I can have enough time to fetch the mail for instance Oct 21 09:05:56 vadimq: depending on your status... you might just want to turn it off and on again ;) Oct 21 09:06:57 vadimq: there are a couple of ways - 2g/3g switcher - if you switch modes, it works - or offline/online mode Oct 21 09:08:17 SpeedEvil: aha, thanks, will give it a try Oct 21 09:08:30 Or of course, switch on/off Oct 21 09:08:33 off/on Oct 21 09:08:35 but... Oct 21 09:08:38 yeah, but that's a pain Oct 21 09:09:02 Indeed Oct 21 09:09:02 also, I open pages for reading without a connection Oct 21 09:10:14 http://maemo.org/packages/view/3g2g-mode-selection-applet/ Oct 21 09:12:09 hey....guys...my N900 always crash:with lots of error in dmesg: mmcblk0: error -84 transferring data, sector 59312104, nr 8, card status 0x900. [ 238.523193] end_request: I/O error, dev mmcblk0, sector 59312104 Oct 21 09:13:44 Unfortunately, that's a hardware fault. Oct 21 09:15:04 okay Oct 21 09:15:18 thanks..i was suffer these days i realy love N900.. Oct 21 09:15:25 :/ Oct 21 09:15:27 i would like to buy another one.. Oct 21 09:15:50 In principle, it's possible to run maemo from the SD, but nobody has reported on how to do this. Oct 21 09:19:19 ultra420, that isn't your microSD isn't it? Oct 21 09:19:25 those dmesg errors Oct 21 09:20:47 yeah...dear psycho_oreos,there is no micro SD in it now Oct 21 09:20:56 i have drop sim ,sd Card away Oct 21 09:21:37 and then i flash the N900 ,without install packages,it is just naked...but it still crashed...i feel painful..i do wanna another N900 now Oct 21 09:21:53 ultra420, that's the eMMC playing up then heh, overusage may lead to that. I've seen something similar with my class 10 microsdhc but a kernel patch fixed the issue Oct 21 09:22:06 psycho_oreos: hello again, have you heard people installing Java programs.? Oct 21 09:22:49 luojie-dune_, not installing java programs but I suppose you can run java stuff after installing icedtea 6 or something like that Oct 21 09:23:03 dear psycho_oreos,do you mean that i could fix my N900's eMMC with a kernel patch ? Oct 21 09:23:49 ultra420, no, if stock kernel can't fix it then its a hardware fault as SpeedEvil pointed out Oct 21 09:24:08 :'( okay...thanks..... Oct 21 09:24:12 ultra420: I don't think anyone can confirm the particular problem of your device. Oct 21 09:24:40 I have 3 N900, none of them exhibit this problem, not with eMMC anyway Oct 21 09:24:41 -_-! why? i'm suffering for a long time now..i do love this N900 Oct 21 09:25:19 it was probably manufactured with defects Oct 21 09:25:22 heh Oct 21 09:25:25 psycho_oreos: ... salt on flesh... Oct 21 09:25:32 could i paste a url here? about my N900's record.. Oct 21 09:25:34 indeed Oct 21 09:25:41 is it allowed here? Oct 21 09:25:51 as long as it goes into pastebin if its more than 3 lines Oct 21 09:26:00 anybody help me get rid of #inkscape. Oct 21 09:26:00 well yeah url I suppose would be ok Oct 21 09:26:09 i record it in my dokuwiki Oct 21 09:26:33 X Oct 21 09:26:44 Stress on the board can also cause the issue Oct 21 09:26:50 or that I suppose it may be interesting to look at, though from my end there's no solution that I know can alleviate it Oct 21 09:26:51 the MMC is a large, fragile chip Oct 21 09:27:37 I think some people have tried to run fsck && badblocks against it, namely against the /home/user/MyDocs portion Oct 21 09:29:24 dear psycho_oreos; here is my dokuwiki page for N900's record,my English is very pool, thanks... http://wiki.86420.org/doku.php?id=6self:devices:n900_shame Oct 21 09:40:05 ultra420, some typos, some interesting stuff and maybe you should probably give badblocks another run to see if it helps. Though I wouldn't put high hopes on it Oct 21 09:40:48 dear psycho_oreos,thanks.. i will try for a last time. Oct 21 14:40:43 hola! Oct 21 15:12:47 Hi! Oct 21 15:17:04 I am trying to make my N900's screen to act as a second display for my computer Oct 21 15:17:20 Do you know any way to send only one display to the N900? Oct 21 15:17:40 I mean I'm trying VNC atm, but it lags quite heavily. Oct 21 15:24:09 what is vnc atm? Oct 21 15:28:04 VNC Viewer Oct 21 15:28:14 I mean Oct 21 15:28:25 I am trying to use VNC at the moment Oct 21 15:31:55 So... Any ideas? I tried to add the :1 to the end of the ip address in order to connect only to the second display Oct 21 15:32:02 But it's not working. Oct 21 15:34:29 It seems that TightVNC for some reason puts all of the desktops to :0 Oct 21 15:41:23 so yo want to use the n900 display as it would be a ssecond monitor for your pc? Oct 21 15:51:02 Giorgi: Yes. Oct 21 15:51:35 Sorry, I've been busy googling how to make windows VNC treat displays as separate ports like in linux. Oct 21 15:58:05 BonaC I've never tried anything complex with windows vnc myself. do you currently have one monitor in windows and you want to have a separate desktop (as in multihead) shown on the n900? I'm not sure if windows can do that, a vnc server on linux can spawn just about any number of them with different desktops too, but the windows desktop is different... Oct 21 15:59:36 Yeah, I know it's difficult Oct 21 16:00:14 I mean now RealVNC at my computer sends my primary display and the virtual display meant for the N900 all in one image Oct 21 16:00:39 So if I do something graphically intensive on the primary, n900 stops updating the picture Oct 21 16:01:12 I'm kinda thinking stretching the desktop to a fake monitor, setting a proper resolution for it, making vncserver serve just a part of the "dual" screen or the n900 client to only show the relevant part...but it might be difficult to get it proper Oct 21 16:01:24 It seems it's possible Oct 21 16:01:41 I have to do a manual workaround in registry editor Oct 21 16:03:05 possible, maybe, but is it worth it? ;P Oct 21 16:03:14 ok I guess it might be Oct 21 16:03:14 heh Oct 21 16:03:38 hmm...might it be easier with an xserver for windows... Oct 21 16:03:50 not the same, really, but depends Oct 21 16:04:06 It must be worth it, it would be cost free this way Oct 21 16:04:22 If I don't manage to make this work, well Oct 21 16:04:24 you need food and shelter to make it happen ;p Oct 21 16:04:34 I have to buy a 200 euro USB monitor for this Oct 21 16:04:37 :D Oct 21 16:04:41 "usb monitor"? why Oct 21 16:05:06 It would be easier Oct 21 16:05:25 a normal monitor is not enough? Oct 21 16:05:40 They are a bit too big and bulky that I have seen Oct 21 16:05:58 And it ramps up my GTX 460's clocks Oct 21 16:06:14 a usb display sounds kinda inefficient Oct 21 16:06:23 I'm not sure how they fare Oct 21 16:06:36 I don't need it to show any moving picture Oct 21 16:06:37 BonaC: joga: funnily I was discussing this moments ago. Oct 21 16:06:52 ? Oct 21 16:06:54 I had to RMA card days ago and I'm running a USB monitor via DisplayLink Oct 21 16:07:02 Hmm Oct 21 16:07:03 :D Oct 21 16:07:07 have to say I am NOT able to distinguish it from native Oct 21 16:07:27 it's really lagless at 1680x1050x16 Oct 21 16:07:35 hmm, any cpu load or such? Oct 21 16:07:59 cannot really measure, as any noticeable increased CPU load is because I am VGAless and thus using a 3d software rasterizer Oct 21 16:08:13 either way, 4x3Ghz there's CPU to spare. Oct 21 16:08:17 heh Oct 21 16:08:55 Hmm Oct 21 16:09:12 I wonder how the display's name is set Oct 21 16:09:23 I mean \\.\display2. didn't work Oct 21 16:09:31 ah, windows... Oct 21 16:09:37 :D Oct 21 16:09:59 I can't do much gaming on Linux so Oct 21 16:10:00 heh, disk partitions are named nicely too Oct 21 16:10:09 ? Oct 21 16:10:16 (can't remember exactly) Oct 21 16:10:31 You mean C: etc. Oct 21 16:10:43 I mean the reference to a block device or the partitions on it Oct 21 16:10:57 Doesn't ring a bell here. Oct 21 16:11:13 note that a 1680x1050 fullscreen video stream does lag on DisplayLink, but at a quarter size there's no lag anymore. Oct 21 16:12:04 actually it doesn't seem that bad but I think the "?" has some stuff in real world too "\\?\Device\Harddisk0\Partition0" Oct 21 16:12:28 or, no, it might actually be just a "?" Oct 21 16:13:47 I'm quite a noob with Linux Oct 21 16:14:00 I set up my home server just about week ago Oct 21 16:14:04 javispedro, it still sounds somewhat alien to me, but what do I know, I just have old trash as hardware ;) Oct 21 16:14:35 math says it's possible. Oct 21 16:18:22 Derp Oct 21 16:18:26 This isn't working Oct 21 16:18:34 Now I'm not getting a screen of any kind Oct 21 16:18:35 D: Oct 21 16:20:15 javispedro, possible sure. does it have any influence on other usb devices? (hard disks?) I mean bandwidthwise? (I'm not that sure how it works actually) Oct 21 16:20:55 I'd guess so. But I have 2 controllers on this motherboard, and one is entirely dedicated to this. Oct 21 16:21:19 I quess I'm not going to be able to try this Oct 21 16:21:47 though I guess in a way it could be efficient for screens that are not rapidly updated, such as monitoring stuff, I dunno, guess depends a lot on the hardware implementation Oct 21 16:22:22 I've been mostly thinking about usb displays for embedded devices that don't have other ports so I'm a bit biased :) Oct 21 16:22:28 *2 USB controllers, I mean. Oct 21 16:23:01 I did try DisplayLink on the N900 Oct 21 16:23:16 back then there was no udlfb, so I had to use Xvnc Oct 21 16:23:23 how'd it work? Oct 21 16:23:42 speedwise it was usable, albeit not really lagless. Oct 21 16:23:59 would need to check again with udlfb. Oct 21 16:24:05 hm Oct 21 16:24:12 jsut remembered something... Oct 21 16:24:15 vnc lags for me on the n900 even over lan and 8-bit colour Oct 21 16:24:42 too cpu intensive Oct 21 16:25:53 I hate this bug in the GTX 460 cards Oct 21 16:26:13 They activate the 3D clocks if you attach second monitor. Oct 21 16:26:19 BonaC: it is not a bug Oct 21 16:26:24 I know Oct 21 16:26:34 also, every other single card in the universe does the same thing Oct 21 16:26:52 Yeah.. Oct 21 16:26:56 brb Oct 21 16:27:12 one of the reasons I will never buy a card with TDP > 60W. Oct 21 16:32:21 hi can someone help me solve this problem Oct 21 16:32:33 whenever I keep my n900, by mistake I end up calling someone Oct 21 16:32:56 any idea how to prevent it Oct 21 16:33:08 the n900 lock is not so effective sometimes Oct 21 16:40:51 I use the lock on the side Oct 21 16:40:59 The slide-lock Oct 21 16:41:04 Nto the screen lock Oct 21 16:51:04 SpeedEvil, the slide lock in the sense the one on the body? Oct 21 16:51:15 I mean the one to the side of the body Oct 21 16:52:02 yes Oct 21 17:10:05 I've never managed to do a pocket-call with mine Oct 21 17:11:31 Any news about the community firmware? Oct 21 17:11:43 I mean is it safe to download now? Oct 21 17:18:23 Meanwhile: HP's chief strategy officer to retire next month, won't have a successor (he has been the guy behind retaining WebOS) Oct 21 17:18:35 cheers, all Oct 21 17:19:09 RST38h: excellent Oct 21 17:21:41 Derp Oct 21 17:21:59 I would love the idea of having N900 as a "information monitor" Oct 21 17:22:02 But... Oct 21 17:22:16 It's a bit too complicated for me. D: Oct 21 17:23:10 Even though I am studying to become an ICT technician Oct 21 17:23:41 If that's even english Oct 21 17:23:58 damn Oct 21 17:24:08 i didn't know the AU$ to US$ rate was so good Oct 21 17:24:09 :) Oct 21 17:24:27 i thought i was bidding in US and i was bidding in AU lol Oct 21 17:25:35 :D Oct 21 17:25:55 oh wait Oct 21 17:25:57 i guess not Oct 21 17:25:58 wtf Oct 21 17:26:22 it is 1:1.03 in favor of the AUD :) Oct 21 17:26:23 hi, has someone experiences with broken usb port? Oct 21 17:26:36 BluesLee: lol. yes. i failed in having it repaired Oct 21 17:27:02 i am on ebay trying to get a new n900 with plans to never use the usb port again and see about finding a way to use a charging pad or some other method to charge Oct 21 17:28:05 Macer: i gave mine away, they told me that it is a mechanical issue, so no guarentee ... maybe i would get an e7 as a replacement Oct 21 17:28:39 Macer: i am really asking myself if i should insist to get my money back Oct 21 17:29:14 if i could i would have Oct 21 17:29:19 i would have demanded my money back Oct 21 17:29:22 it is a factory issue Oct 21 17:29:32 Macer: as i paid 600€ right in the beginning ... Oct 21 17:29:36 they were poorly made Oct 21 17:29:39 My N900 also loses connection every now and then Oct 21 17:29:50 i am trying to find some other means to charge it Oct 21 17:30:02 DocScrutinizer: ping Oct 21 17:30:07 i was hoping there was a battery cover for an n900 by now but i guess nobody cares :( Oct 21 17:30:13 Car battery, two wires, N900 battery and some balls Oct 21 17:30:14 :D Oct 21 17:30:54 It's a shame that N900 has no real successor Oct 21 17:31:22 I mean, my N900 is quite much seen now, there's nothing new to it Oct 21 17:31:32 Excluding the second monitor idea Oct 21 17:32:43 http://www.amazon.com/Duracell-Mygrid-Starter-Kit-1-Count/dp/B002M3TLLC Oct 21 17:32:48 i wonder if something like that would work Oct 21 17:33:16 there some threads on TMO about external chargers. Oct 21 17:36:05 NIN101: nothing helpful i'm sure :) Oct 21 17:36:07 lol Oct 21 17:36:20 i will look tho. i am still working on buying a new n900 :( Oct 21 17:36:23 stupid usb port. Oct 21 17:36:53 the nokia engineer who overlooked that mishap should be taken somewhere and shot Oct 21 17:39:05 I quess I will buy Android if my N900 fucks up Oct 21 17:40:09 Kind of a suicide message to tell that I see more potential in Android than Maemo/Meego at a maemo irc channel Oct 21 17:40:46 heh Oct 21 17:40:55 well.. it is kind of an obvious statement Oct 21 17:40:59 you should probably check your car before starting it from now on :P Oct 21 17:41:06 considering maemo/meego hold like .00000000000001% of the market share Oct 21 17:41:16 I don't have driver's license for a car Oct 21 17:42:02 Yeah, I guess that Meego would blow all of the current leaders to smitherines if Eflop wasn't in charge @ nokia. Oct 21 17:42:34 Assuming that someone with a clue would appear if Elop departed is perhaps a bit wishful thinkign. Oct 21 17:42:39 Also. Oct 21 17:42:52 :D Oct 21 17:42:53 dunno, it seemed like meego was working on making it as difficult to get things done on a phone as in android Oct 21 17:42:57 N?okia basically lost the plot well over a year ago. Oct 21 17:43:53 * ShadowJK isn't sure yet whether N9 can read his email or not Oct 21 17:44:10 D: Oct 21 17:44:24 But the first windows phone Oct 21 17:44:30 It's N9 with a different OS Oct 21 17:44:32 the openvpn thread is a bit inconclusive on whether one has to crack Aegis first or not before getting vpn Oct 21 17:44:50 ShadowJK: doesn't vpn require a kernel module? Oct 21 17:44:54 yes Oct 21 17:45:02 then: yes Oct 21 17:45:29 and permission to edit routing table, and send commands to the kernel module in order to set it up Oct 21 17:45:47 how can it be inconclusive then? Oct 21 17:45:58 they were thinking about implementing all of that in userspace? =) Oct 21 17:46:37 As in the thread was full of Aegis-yayers saying it "should" work, and people saying it doesn't work Oct 21 17:47:02 I got the impression the people who said it works had some non-evil unreleased version Oct 21 17:47:09 (of harmattan) Oct 21 17:47:28 well, let me think for a moment Oct 21 17:47:44 iirc, the required module is tun? Oct 21 17:47:55 ya Oct 21 17:48:19 Supposed to be included? But then you also need to be able to manipulate it Oct 21 17:48:28 and openvpn needs permissions to do that Oct 21 17:48:32 CONFIG_TUN=y indeed. Oct 21 17:49:05 crw-rw-rw- 1 root root for the device node, which is not bad. Oct 21 17:49:35 normally, root permissions would suffice... vpn just needs to set up new routing tables, most of it happens in userspace, the kernel module needed is a default kernel component Oct 21 17:50:03 there's no real root in aegis. you have to enumarate all the posix capabilities separately Oct 21 17:50:28 I guess I'm closer to the second display - UltraVNC has the display selection built-in Oct 21 17:50:45 yes, hence "normally"... so more study needed, probably Oct 21 17:51:20 both net_Raw and net_admin are available Oct 21 17:51:20 I think openvpn also needs ppp support, but that's probably also in the default kernel Oct 21 17:51:43 doesn't need ppp Oct 21 17:51:59 okay, maybe that was for something else then Oct 21 17:52:31 I think I'm going to remove my veredict of "busted" and set it to "plausible" Oct 21 17:54:30 maybe the vpn I needed ppp for was some other vpn type Oct 21 17:55:07 you can do fully userspace ppp though Oct 21 17:55:59 anyway, the kernel only needs to expose the TUN interface and permit userspace to manipulate it and the netfilter routing tables, then userspace can do the rest Oct 21 17:57:19 (where netfilter means the stuff manipulated by the "iptables" command) Oct 21 18:10:45 I quess I have to settle with the both screens showing up @ VNC Oct 21 18:10:57 UltraVNC was quite a bit faster Oct 21 18:14:46 It fucking works Oct 21 18:15:07 Only that it makes my GPU idle @ 50 degrees celsius Oct 21 18:15:31 Without the virtual screen it's about 27-38 Oct 21 18:30:18 don't worry. mine hovers around 80... idle Oct 21 18:34:23 Radeon 4800? Oct 21 18:34:26 Series Oct 21 18:40:05 hi. i have installed a lot of apps on my n900 and now root is out of free space.what can i do now. i have removed some of them but it did't work. disk usage shows that /usr/lib is very large Oct 21 18:41:12 madkickers, quick way to free up some space on root is to disable apt repositories Oct 21 18:41:56 because /var/lib/apt/lists and /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin tend to grow large when you have many repos Oct 21 18:42:15 or you could move stuff from /usr/lib by hand to /opt, then create symlinks Oct 21 18:42:16 let me see Oct 21 18:42:25 just don't move any of the built-in libraries: that could end badly Oct 21 18:42:46 make sure things you're moving are part of those "lots of apps" you mentioned Oct 21 18:43:32 Unbelievable that apps still use / space :-( Oct 21 18:45:00 microb-engine,locals and gcc have gotten lots of space. can i move them? Oct 21 18:45:30 gcc Oct 21 18:45:43 only gcc? Oct 21 18:45:45 or are you talking about libgcc? Oct 21 18:46:31 idk, there is a directory in /usr/lib/ which its name is gcc Oct 21 18:46:43 Do you use gcc? Oct 21 18:46:57 sometimes yes Oct 21 18:47:27 Well it's something that isn't installed by default, so I'd try move the directory to /opt somewhere, and create a symlink to it from /usr/lib/gcc -> /opt/whatever Oct 21 18:48:04 locale and microb-engine are installed by default, so I'd myself not try move them. They're 22.8M and 23.7M on my device Oct 21 18:48:37 good idea, but y can't i do this about microb and locale? Oct 21 18:50:20 If they are needed before mmc is mounted, your device wouldn't boot, and you'll end up in a reboot loop Oct 21 18:50:39 I'd make backups and be prepared to reinstall before touching stuff that's installed by default Oct 21 18:51:16 Also, some things are considered "important", and if they crash for whatever reason, they'll be restarted 5 times (or something like that), and if they still fail, device will reboot... Oct 21 18:52:10 tnx dude. Oct 21 19:00:58 is perl installed by default or i can move it? Oct 21 19:02:37 yeah it is Oct 21 21:05:00 i have installed tor on my cell phone but it seems that only enabling it doesn't make it to work. what should i do to prepare applications to use tor? Oct 21 21:15:58 :-Dguys Oct 21 21:22:40 nfi, I never used tor status applet even though I have it installed, I thought it was to make you device into a tor router not as a tor client Oct 21 22:24:10 anyone got a n9? Oct 21 22:24:36 o my god! :D Oct 21 22:25:05 :| Oct 21 22:27:18 lol Oct 21 22:27:19 not I Oct 21 22:27:34 you may find more N9 owners in #harmattan though Oct 21 22:28:36 im there Oct 21 22:28:39 noone is replying Oct 21 22:29:13 maybe bad timing, you may need to wait, or you can try asking what you want out of N9 from N9 owners from tmo Oct 21 22:29:25 i just want to know Oct 21 22:29:34 where the hell did they get theirs Oct 21 22:29:50 and how much they paied for Oct 21 22:30:59 N9 varies in price by the internal capacities Oct 21 22:31:19 and I'm sure online shop or visiting another country could allow one to obtain it Oct 21 22:32:07 obviously avoiding flying to other countries AND out-of-mind prices Oct 21 22:33:59 well online retailers maybe your only choice then.. or if you have a mate/friend who might be able to get it for you elsewhere Oct 21 22:34:51 actually ive visited the forum Oct 21 22:35:09 and found a user organizing a community purchase Oct 21 22:35:13 thats the reason im here Oct 21 22:35:25 yeah I don't know if that's going to happen (if ever) Oct 21 22:35:40 hmm he succeded buying some from dubai Oct 21 22:35:55 at least that is what is written Oct 21 22:36:05 at a reasonable price i mean Oct 21 22:36:14 some users posted themselves in group purchasing (depending on locality) and asking if anyone else wants to have one whilst this person is on overseas trip Oct 21 22:36:42 in switzerland they sell it for 450 euro Oct 21 22:36:44 think I came across that dubai bit, that was with 16GB internal storage iinm, heh lowest of the N9 form Oct 21 22:36:44 hmmm Oct 21 22:36:58 yeah that is what im searching anyway Oct 21 22:37:00 the 16gb Oct 21 22:39:48 personally I'd get the 64GB, but I'm lucky to be in one of the countries where its not `blacklisted' Oct 21 22:40:13 where are you from Oct 21 22:40:35 and what do you need all that amount of space anyway Oct 21 22:41:19 Finland anyone? There should be quite good availability of N9's here of what I have heard. Not 100% sure though how many pre orders have been made. Oct 21 22:41:32 But talking with operator people it seems like they have ordered quite good stocks of it. Oct 21 22:42:24 Australia, and I can use the space for other platforms/music, etc. Not to mention if the flash drive decides to die slowly, you'll see chunks of memory gets `rotten away'. With 16GB you get less playable space over years but 64GB may leave you a lot more Oct 21 22:42:47 plus not to mention that N9 doesn't come with expandable storage so really 64GB makes sense to me at any rate Oct 21 22:43:10 i thought the n9 had a microsd slot Oct 21 22:43:15 nope Oct 21 22:43:26 ive checked the aussie sites but it seems noone ships oversea Oct 21 22:43:44 Has anyone tested the N9 live? How does it feel? Oct 21 22:43:47 yeah I don't think they would apart from fleabay (ebay) Oct 21 22:43:54 Is it worth the money? Oct 21 22:44:15 There's a few tmo threads about N9 Oct 21 22:44:18 seems a decent device Oct 21 22:45:16 it looks nice but honestly I'm annoyed that it doesn't come with hardware keyboard and expandable storage. So really the only other thing that comes close is the N950 minus expandable storage, NFC (which I don't need), etc Oct 21 22:45:26 cheapest n9 64gb i can find is 540 euro Oct 21 22:45:33 versus the 16gb 450 Oct 21 22:46:40 the n950 Oct 21 22:46:40 I must head into town tomorrow to get a feel of it Oct 21 22:46:50 you cant buy it, right ? Oct 21 22:47:00 yeah the N950 isn't available publicly and it comes with only 16GB Oct 21 22:47:22 well the latter form does, the earlier form was rumoured to have either 32GB or 64GB internally Oct 21 22:47:45 :( Oct 21 22:48:43 N950 is restricted in several other forms, like 512MB RAM as opposed to 1GB RAM, and who knows if N950 supports pentaband like N9 (I personally don't own N950 myself but would love to get a genuine one) Oct 21 22:48:55 http://www.vendio.com/stores/rivera1970/item?lid=19696039&source=Vendio:Google%20Product%20Search Oct 21 22:48:59 seems a decent price too Oct 21 22:50:00 I don't think that's a genuine N950 Oct 21 22:50:37 says meego 1.2 Oct 21 22:51:26 the design looks like a latter form, which is supposed to have 16GB internal storage (as opposed to advertised 8GB), which has 8MP camera (as opposed to advertised 12MP), and I doubt the form factor for N950 is candy bar Oct 21 22:51:40 there's lots of scammers selling N950, I'd be weary personally Oct 21 22:51:56 the site defintly Oct 21 22:52:01 doesnt seem ahem Oct 21 22:52:04 "secure" Oct 21 22:53:24 how did someone get Oct 21 22:53:26 a n950 ? Oct 21 22:53:28 and there's only one picture, hard to say if its the real deal or not Oct 21 22:54:27 they have to either be a nokia forum champion, developed Qt apps freely (only 300 developers were selected from the community, that applied their interest in porting their programs to Qt) or developed Qt for commercial programs Oct 21 22:55:42 so there are 300 n950 out there ? Oct 21 22:55:46 I think N950 was freely handed out at a function in Finland at one stage, not too sure what the purpose of the function was Oct 21 22:56:05 no, alot more than that.. I'm guessing somewhere around 1000 but there's no actual figures Oct 21 22:56:32 seems quite bette rthan n9 Oct 21 22:56:38 has also microsd support Oct 21 22:56:41 -_- Oct 21 22:56:57 apparently some N950 owners told me it doesn't have microsd support Oct 21 22:57:23 i checked a video Oct 21 22:57:28 and we're talking about the latter form Oct 21 22:57:41 video? Oct 21 22:57:49 maybe i misunderstood what i saw in a video on a n950 Oct 21 22:57:53 just seen it Oct 21 22:58:34 well I personally don't own N950 so the only thing I can go by is what owners say and pictures Oct 21 22:59:00 they also sell on ebay Oct 21 22:59:07 sd for the n950 -_- Oct 21 22:59:23 well who cares, couldnt get one anyway Oct 21 22:59:33 actually there was a few videos of N950 floating around, apparently youtube videos but I don't recall seeing N950 actually sported a microsd slot Oct 21 22:59:49 ill show the video ive seen Oct 21 22:59:50 heh that N950 for sell on ebay was a scam, there was a tmo thread about it Oct 21 23:00:03 no actually Oct 21 23:00:12 im talking about sd Oct 21 23:00:13 for Oct 21 23:00:14 n950 Oct 21 23:00:17 not the phone itseld Oct 21 23:00:33 ahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueles Oct 21 23:00:41 s/clueles/clueless/ Oct 21 23:00:41 psycho_oreos meant: ahh ok, well the seller is probably either a scammer or clueless Oct 21 23:01:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IR2zR2O8aLI#t=52s Oct 21 23:02:10 isnt that a sd slot ? Oct 21 23:04:23 don't know and doubt it, if lets say that is a microsd slot, where does the sim card go? or micro sim? Oct 21 23:06:30 i dont think thats the sim slot Oct 21 23:10:20 that is the sim slot, I just checked the manual from fcc page: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=74326 Oct 21 23:11:08 lol Oct 21 23:12:21 I don't see what's funny about that Oct 21 23:14:38 neither i Oct 21 23:14:48 anyway, how to get one from malaysia Oct 21 23:16:38 like I said, from ebay or from someone who either resides there or visits there Oct 21 23:17:03 do you have a n900 psycho ? Oct 21 23:17:23 yes, 3 Oct 21 23:17:29 3 ? wow Oct 21 23:17:42 why 3 ? Oct 21 23:18:09 in case if one of them dies, I still have the other, for testing, for alarm clocks, for development, etc Oct 21 23:18:28 oh you are a developer? Oct 21 23:18:34 why didnt you apply for the 950 Oct 21 23:18:45 I did but wasn't shortlisted Oct 21 23:18:50 oh darn Oct 21 23:19:08 what do you think about the n9 anyway and meego future ? Oct 21 23:19:32 lol Oct 21 23:19:33 though I don't program stuff that is of big deal, I just do improvements on other people's projects and also doing my own modding Oct 21 23:20:11 well N9 is the only choice I guess, meego is probably going to die hardware-wise (as it will lack manufacturer support) Oct 21 23:20:24 it'll probably become entities like shr and openmoko Oct 21 23:20:45 theres noone else beside nokia? Oct 21 23:20:45 And then we can argue about whether harmattan can be called meego or not Oct 21 23:20:46 :P Oct 21 23:21:54 intel and nokia were the founders of meego, there's no other manufacturers supporting meego.. there was a rumoured fujitsu netbook? I guess that somewhat died Oct 21 23:23:29 i think its time for intel to make a i7 mobile phone Oct 21 23:23:39 with meego and an autonomy of 3 minutes Oct 21 23:23:42 lol Oct 21 23:23:55 there's an atom phone Oct 21 23:24:01 really? Oct 21 23:24:02 but it's limited availability and costly Oct 21 23:24:04 heh a pocket warmer that'll last for maybe 1 hour tops with a humongous battery that makes the phone look more like a brick than a phone Oct 21 23:24:06 name? Oct 21 23:24:08 Aava Oct 21 23:24:19 yeah its based on intel moorestown Oct 21 23:24:49 autonomy? Oct 21 23:24:52 lasts a day ? Oct 21 23:25:11 I was referring to your comment on intel should make i7 powered phone Oct 21 23:25:24 i know Oct 21 23:25:35 bbut im refering to the aava phone Oct 21 23:25:46 in fact I would be surprised to see if ever intel decides to manufacture things apart from just chipsets and boards Oct 21 23:26:11 their boards are manufactured by foxconn Oct 21 23:26:13 ;-) Oct 21 23:26:17 intel maks also ssds :> Oct 21 23:26:25 SSD = chips Oct 21 23:26:26 s/maks/makes Oct 21 23:26:27 iirc, Aava was financed by Intel Oct 21 23:26:46 keyword: was Oct 21 23:26:47 :) Oct 21 23:27:02 err financed Oct 21 23:27:28 psycho_oreos, well... Intel did revolutionize the SSD segment by creating a controller that didn't suck. They kept the controller to themselves, but I guess sandforce has some sort of leap on them now Oct 21 23:27:31 i.e. intel doesn't manufacture the whole device themselves, they may make portion of it and that's it Oct 21 23:27:56 i thought the controller on intel ssds was marvel not intel Oct 21 23:27:58 And the thing that makes controller not suck is the software algorithm in it :-) Oct 21 23:28:04 Yeah on the newer cheap ones Oct 21 23:28:07 it's marvell Oct 21 23:28:42 damn Oct 21 23:28:43 ShadowJK, still it doesn't make intel the fact that it has created a whole device :) just a portion of what would seem to be part of the epic monolith Oct 21 23:28:56 i am still looking for a compatible charging pad Oct 21 23:29:03 for an n900 Oct 21 23:29:21 the duracell mygrid looks the most promising Oct 21 23:29:35 with its universal clip Oct 21 23:30:27 i want to avoid touching the usb port at all costs lol. i wil wifi everything for data and use a charging pad for power :-) Oct 21 23:32:09 Macer, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmyTeMUAf0E this looks like a very quick wireless charger Oct 21 23:32:50 anyway im not so sure now to get a n9 Oct 21 23:33:18 its expensive with tragic destiny towards his feet plus its hard to get one Oct 21 23:33:51 * ShadowJK has two N900 :D Oct 21 23:34:03 ill buy a white iphone 4s what do you think guys ? Oct 21 23:34:53 guys ? Oct 21 23:35:03 I think you should get whatever phone works best for you Oct 21 23:35:12 buy whatever makes you happy Oct 21 23:35:24 If iphone has everything you need, go for it Oct 21 23:35:41 If a samsung bada has all you need, go for it Oct 21 23:35:44 its magical Oct 21 23:35:46 really Oct 21 23:35:52 anyway i expected some rage Oct 21 23:35:57 no rage for me ? :( Oct 21 23:36:03 er Oct 21 23:36:05 then ill really get one Oct 21 23:36:22 we're all mature enough to not rant for being fanboyish :þ Oct 21 23:36:24 is this a quest for snm? :) Oct 21 23:36:44 I love my N900, I have doubts about N9, but everything else looks worse, so I don't know what to do except stay with N900? Oct 21 23:37:00 shadow. i am on my lame g2 now in a term Oct 21 23:37:06 no url detection Oct 21 23:37:22 i ended up looking for n9 searching for a qwerty android phone Oct 21 23:37:25 another thing i seriously miss about my n900 Oct 21 23:37:29 g2? is that ... htc desire in google brand? Oct 21 23:37:37 no Oct 21 23:37:39 N9 isn't qwerty btw Oct 21 23:37:43 i know Oct 21 23:37:47 htc vision in tmobile brand Oct 21 23:37:57 I'll have N900 and possibly N9.. when they all die I'll switch across to android platform or hopefully there will be a better player on the market with more open linux core like maemo/meego does Oct 21 23:37:57 but i really like the design plus maemo Oct 21 23:38:01 it is a pos Oct 21 23:38:14 If I could find a non-sucky android in qwerty, that would probably be my next phone. Unless they decide to sell N950, in which case I'd get that. heh. Oct 21 23:38:15 ShadowJK: for me N900 is the most maintainable and mature system available for now, and it offers all I need to get happy with it for the foreseeable future Oct 21 23:38:41 isnt a droid qwerty? Oct 21 23:38:59 no droid comes in various form factors Oct 21 23:39:03 see "non-sucky" :-D Oct 21 23:39:13 this g2 has a qwerty but it is a flimsy piece of crap Oct 21 23:39:16 Also, motorola is hard to get Oct 21 23:39:24 actually qwerty android are few Oct 21 23:39:28 yeah Oct 21 23:39:29 my "zhinge" cable wore out Oct 21 23:39:44 theres the htc desire z Oct 21 23:39:45 only I found was some S3C64xx Samsung, and some crappy Sony-ericsson Oct 21 23:39:50 so when i open it tue video messes up :) Oct 21 23:40:01 I already have a S3C* device, it's enough Oct 21 23:40:03 jesus.. that is a vision Oct 21 23:40:05 I'll be looking at a qwerty based android device myself too after N900/N9 Oct 21 23:40:06 im actually thinking about the crappy sony ericsson Oct 21 23:40:19 eww sory ericsson Oct 21 23:40:20 ShadowJK: (S3C*) HEHEHE Oct 21 23:40:31 tmobile g2/ htc desire z / htc vision Oct 21 23:40:34 its cheap, has a keyboard and decent hardware Oct 21 23:40:39 it sucks Oct 21 23:40:58 jesuschrist, iirc when I looked it was 320x240 screen... Oct 21 23:41:00 it is a made in taiwan flimsy piece of overpriced garbage Oct 21 23:41:14 slave labor and cheap parts at its best Oct 21 23:41:18 ShadowJK : they upgraded the model, some months ago Oct 21 23:41:21 I'd never buy a sory product that is capable of storing/recording any sort of medium Oct 21 23:41:32 Macer : arent they all made by slaves ? Oct 21 23:41:41 Macer, you got that wrong, Made in China is where there's cheap labour and parts Oct 21 23:41:42 fair point Oct 21 23:41:54 but these must have been the suicidal ones Oct 21 23:42:14 psycho... :) taiwan is china!! Oct 21 23:42:28 no Oct 21 23:42:31 Macer that's like saying US is UK Oct 21 23:42:32 reunification!! Oct 21 23:42:42 not really Oct 21 23:42:53 the uk isnt saying the us is part of the kingdom anymore Oct 21 23:42:54 indeed not really, the same goes with Taiwan vs China Oct 21 23:43:15 Macer, to your simple analogy of Taiwan vs China is much the same Oct 21 23:43:22 ShadowJK : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Ericsson_Xperia_Pro Oct 21 23:43:34 they got better resolution now Oct 21 23:43:53 psycho.. i think it is similar to saying an indian reservation isnt on american soil? Oct 21 23:43:56 mmm Oct 21 23:44:06 bad one too. Oct 21 23:44:09 not N9+keyb, but close Oct 21 23:44:30 according to china taiwan is part of china. their slavery is just as strong Oct 21 23:44:34 :) Oct 21 23:45:13 well still it has qwerty Oct 21 23:45:25 i personally love the n900 qwerty Oct 21 23:45:51 it has arrows :) Oct 21 23:46:06 do they even sell n9s? Oct 21 23:46:06 i have a e71 Oct 21 23:46:14 Macer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes accordiing to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency Oct 21 23:46:37 only place ive sen them had a retarded price tag Oct 21 23:46:40 s/accordiing/according/ Oct 21 23:46:41 psycho_oreos meant: Macer, no your analogy of indian reservation on american soil isn't related, and yes according to china, taiwan and many other neighbouring countries is China, even they would dare to consider US as part of theirs afterall they bought US currency Oct 21 23:46:44 australia is a british colony, period. Oct 21 23:47:11 psychos uhm... ok? Oct 21 23:47:22 it probably won't be soon, the old prime minister one stage declared independence from the monarchy and was granted Oct 21 23:47:32 i think it goes a bit deeper than that but alrighty Oct 21 23:47:50 Macer, in other words, don't mess with someone whose motherland is Taiwan :) Oct 21 23:47:59 you still have queen betty II as head of state ? Oct 21 23:48:10 jesuschrist, doubt it Oct 21 23:48:17 wiki says so Oct 21 23:48:37 lets see what happens when taiwan declqres independence :) Oct 21 23:48:56 declares Oct 21 23:48:58 wiki who? Oct 21 23:49:08 Mr Pedia Wiki Oct 21 23:49:09 Macer, that's when world war III happens :) Oct 21 23:49:16 yup Oct 21 23:49:18 lol Oct 21 23:49:31 I think it was the other way around Oct 21 23:49:46 PRC declared independence from ROC ;-) Oct 21 23:49:58 jesuschrist, ahh well, I guess not for long, I'm sure Australia is free mostly from the monarchy, but it still remains as part of the commonwealth Oct 21 23:50:02 ironic isnt it? Oct 21 23:50:04 lol Oct 21 23:50:07 And at some point ROC's seat at the UN was silently handed over to PRC Oct 21 23:50:29 shadow.. when they realized they could use china to make walmart? Oct 21 23:50:47 yeah maybe Oct 21 23:50:59 I think ROC was never given the right to be part of UN, in fact because UN doesn't recognise ROC's independence and because of PRC's fearful tactics lead to UN council electing PRC instead Oct 21 23:51:20 because of walmart Oct 21 23:51:25 :) Oct 21 23:51:31 psycho_oreos : not for long ? are you planning a revolution against the brits ? Oct 21 23:52:11 jesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a repulican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days Oct 21 23:52:22 could you imagine what would happen if the chinese manufacturing machine shut down to the world? Oct 21 23:52:22 s/repulican/republican/ Oct 21 23:52:22 psycho_oreos meant: jesuschrist, I'm more happy to be a republican myself :) though I'm sure we won't have to fight with blood these days Oct 21 23:52:32 it would be chaos Oct 21 23:52:36 still has some romantic implications living in a monarchy Oct 21 23:52:42 dragons, knights, sorcerers Oct 21 23:52:43 entire trailer parks starving to death Oct 21 23:53:05 except dragons and sorcerers are mythical entities Oct 21 23:53:06 well, ROC was a member until a few years after they were confined to exist on a tiny island? :P Oct 21 23:53:43 I don't recall ROC was ever a member, PRC was constantly threatening ROC's `rogue-ness' Oct 21 23:54:05 though who knows, maybe the UN council was bribed and bought by China Oct 21 23:56:16 hmm i just found another interesting android qwerty phone Oct 21 23:56:23 lg optimus q2 Oct 21 23:56:40 ROC was a member until 1971, when they were replaced by PRC :P Oct 21 23:57:45 well *shrugs* got me facts wrong but the point is still valid that PRC did make lots of threatening remarks to make ROC back off :P Oct 22 00:01:23 lemme tell you sth - I visited Taipei several times, and I assure you this is NOT "China" for any definition of the term used by us westerners Oct 22 00:02:13 anyway communism is the way Oct 22 00:02:23 uhuh Oct 22 00:02:29 :D Oct 22 00:02:45 that's like saying you don't mind working for Apple Oct 22 00:02:50 sure it's the way - - to *where*? Oct 22 00:03:07 in fact I could somewhat dare to say China is kinda like a big Apple land Oct 22 00:03:28 to free ourselves from capitalistic rule Oct 22 00:03:36 its a way to business corruption Oct 22 00:03:36 foxcon for sure Oct 22 00:04:43 once all techniques are forced to be shared - like communism, its sign of corruption Oct 22 00:04:47 jesuschrist: errr, you are aware that communism as they spell it in China is more of a wild west capitalism like in the early USA right now? Oct 22 00:05:02 im not talking about china Oct 22 00:05:25 me Oct 22 00:05:29 a Chinese.~ Oct 22 00:05:40 nihau Oct 22 00:05:54 s/nihau/nihao/ Oct 22 00:05:57 nihau /so Oct 22 00:05:58 :) Oct 22 00:07:10 ni men hao Oct 22 00:07:26 i would say that china now is more like the begininng of the industrial revolution in europe Oct 22 00:07:36 instead of just "capitalism" Oct 22 00:07:44 gotta love being a person with dual citizenship, patriotic to both countries Oct 22 00:08:12 err nope, not really. Europe was "civilized", China market is just corrupt Oct 22 00:08:40 well define civilized and define corruption Oct 22 00:08:59 hmm, ok. It's actually hard to compare Oct 22 00:09:09 I think for someone whom has never visited China would never understand easily :) Oct 22 00:09:39 its like saying you never played soccer so you cant judge a match Oct 22 00:09:50 no Oct 22 00:09:56 most chinese are sturggling for their lives Oct 22 00:10:20 actually chineses work conditions resemble much what europe experienced during the 19th cent Oct 22 00:10:51 not quite Oct 22 00:10:53 but in China it's backed up by a totalitarian government Oct 22 00:10:57 how so ? Oct 22 00:11:10 the fact that Chinese is being ripped off doesn't make it similar to Europe back in 19th century Oct 22 00:11:37 explain Oct 22 00:11:52 google search for foxconn workers Oct 22 00:12:02 and ? Oct 22 00:12:25 ever read dickens ? Oct 22 00:12:37 you tell me how was that ever similar to Europe back in 19th century Oct 22 00:12:40 no, never heard Oct 22 00:12:52 I don't want to refer to history, its new age. Oct 22 00:13:06 first you must know how was europe back in the 19th cent Oct 22 00:13:22 and wikipedia easily provides that Oct 22 00:14:11 so since you're reading the wiki page Oct 22 00:14:21 you still cant see similarities ? Oct 22 00:14:24 the way value output and input have changed a lot over a century, imo. Oct 22 00:14:52 super growth, urbanization, poor standard of living Oct 22 00:22:53 psyc ? Oct 22 00:30:05 Hi All .. I am trying to flash Meego on the internal flash EMMC of N900 .. but getting the error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" .. Oct 22 00:30:20 i knw its related to netcat .. as N900 is refusing the netcat connection "nc 192.168.2.15 500" with the same error as "(UNKNOWN) [192.168.2.15] 500 (isakmp) : Connection refused" **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 22 02:59:56 2011