**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 22 02:59:56 2011 Oct 22 03:53:41 i have installed some apps on my cell phone and now i see conversation doesn't work correctly.i cant open SMSes and get accounts online,it says network error,elso creating a new account is imposible Oct 22 04:07:44 how to start conversation in debuging mode? Oct 22 05:49:52 ugh... i think this g2 has finally lost it Oct 22 05:50:33 blah Oct 22 06:44:21 wow Oct 22 06:44:32 that was such a ghetto fix Oct 22 06:45:11 i put super glue on the exposed ribbon cable lmao Oct 22 06:45:30 this thing is so jacked up still Oct 22 08:26:05 DocScrutinizer, ping Oct 22 10:18:04 whee, meespot for n9 is not actually half bad compared to any of the n900's spotify clients... and actually it is much better than n9's default player which is afaik unable to even show the queue Oct 22 10:40:04 ugh Oct 22 10:40:09 that was fking bs Oct 22 10:40:17 there is no way someone can bid that fast on ebay in 2 secs Oct 22 10:40:30 that stupid shit happens again i swear i'm cancelling my ebay acct Oct 22 10:47:04 got sniped? Oct 22 10:47:52 Macer: did you put in your personal maximum bid? Oct 22 10:54:39 x29a: yes and no Oct 22 10:54:43 i would have gone higher if i had a chance Oct 22 10:54:51 but they waited til it was at 1s Oct 22 10:54:56 or should i say Oct 22 10:55:04 the software they run waited until .5 secs Oct 22 10:55:20 i am wondering if they try to get it during the delay for it to process the raise in bid Oct 22 10:55:59 Macer: thats common practise, and thats how bidding works. if you had put in your absolute maximum, it could have worked or they were willing to bid more Oct 22 10:56:25 i sometimes think the place selling the stuff just buys it back Oct 22 10:56:34 because the bid is too low for the sale Oct 22 10:56:39 with ebay sniping tools, many people get frustrated when they dont get the final bid, but then again, the other person put in more money, so thats only logical Oct 22 10:56:41 and they didn't want to set a reserve Oct 22 10:56:57 Macer: no doubt, i think that happens a lot Oct 22 10:57:18 well they want it to look like "someone" got it at an awesome price Oct 22 10:57:20 nothing you can do Oct 22 10:57:24 but in reality it is them just buying it back Oct 22 10:57:35 then they take the same item and throw it out there again Oct 22 10:57:52 what part do you critizise? Oct 22 10:57:56 i'm going to bump it up a little more ... but if this happens again i will just buy one from amazon :) Oct 22 10:58:19 if amazon has if for a comparable prize, dont even consider ebay Oct 22 10:58:34 they don't Oct 22 10:58:35 lol Oct 22 10:58:41 i'm trying to ebay one for around 200 Oct 22 10:58:46 n900? Oct 22 10:58:49 amazon only has NEW ones for 300 Oct 22 10:58:52 at the cheapest Oct 22 10:58:56 some are like 400+ Oct 22 10:58:58 yes Oct 22 10:59:26 where are you? amazon uk has used ones from £150 Oct 22 10:59:35 US Oct 22 11:00:31 i don't think there are any new ones for less than 350 on amazon Oct 22 11:00:43 and you are looking for a new one at ebay for $200? Oct 22 11:00:47 and i think that is overpriced for an n900 :) but it is a niche phone... so i can see how it has its worth Oct 22 11:01:04 x29a: yeah lol... it's possible :) Oct 22 11:01:21 but you do get where we are coming from, right? Oct 22 11:01:21 i have gotten stuff from ebay that i was shocked over Oct 22 11:01:26 yes heh Oct 22 11:01:31 good luck though Oct 22 11:01:46 if i don't win this one i will simply wait til next week and buy a full priced one from amazon for 300something Oct 22 11:02:05 i honestly don't think ebay works anymore Oct 22 11:02:19 :) if it isn't some sniping bot it is the company "buying back" their item Oct 22 11:09:57 the really bad part is with my transformer shipped yesterday for RMA and my G2 on the brink of death... i'm close to having nothing :) Oct 22 11:10:08 i should get an old G1 just to have a spare phoen lol Oct 22 11:11:28 omg these people can not be real.. a new G2 is 199.. a new G1? 150? LOL! Oct 22 11:12:40 ok.. i have to ask.. does nokia even truly sell an n9? Oct 22 11:15:36 certainly you can truly buy one :P Oct 22 11:16:18 i only ask because amazon only has 1 USED for $800? Oct 22 11:16:31 i don't see any major places that actually sell it Oct 22 11:16:39 like tigerdirect.. or newegg don't even have them listed Oct 22 11:16:57 well apparently nokia does not want to sell them in US (and UK and germany and italy and spain and...) Oct 22 11:17:26 uhm Oct 22 11:17:30 but here in the rest of the world they are available Oct 22 11:17:44 asia? :) Oct 22 11:17:57 finland, and rest of the scandinavia at least Oct 22 11:18:08 wtf? Oct 22 11:18:14 wow that is rather stupid Oct 22 11:19:33 on nokiausa.com they are showing an e7? Oct 22 11:19:37 sigh Oct 22 11:20:49 yer same problem in the uk, lots of places *did* have them for preorder but theyve been vanishing everywhere with nowhere actually selling them Oct 22 11:21:17 theres pretty much only 1 retailer in the uk still saying itll get them, and theyre gonna be european versions with a uk adaptor separately Oct 22 11:21:21 has anybody actually seen one? :) Oct 22 11:21:36 maybe they don't even really exist lol Oct 22 11:21:44 I know someone whos seen and used lots, if that counts Oct 22 11:21:45 its a hoax Oct 22 11:21:56 the n9 actually is driven by windows phone 7 Oct 22 11:22:02 hahaha Oct 22 11:22:10 with meego splash screens? :) Oct 22 11:22:12 that's what you call W9, codenamed sea ray Oct 22 11:22:25 and what fake terminal outputs? Oct 22 11:22:28 it was quite disheartening being told by a friend who works at nokia research in london that they basically have piles of n9's and n950's sitting round the offices Oct 22 11:22:34 I actually have seen several, in addition to the one I own :P Oct 22 11:22:35 i wouldn't mind getting an e7 or n8 if they were like $99 Oct 22 11:22:39 if it has gtalk i'm sold heh Oct 22 11:22:57 gtalk and tethering :) Oct 22 11:23:06 it can do tethering Oct 22 11:23:20 no gtalk app? Oct 22 11:23:26 i would think that would be built in Oct 22 11:23:28 nid0, and your friend could have made a fortune selling genuine N950, alas its all Flop's bs that N950 will only be given to `chosen ones' Oct 22 11:23:48 i don' tthink n950s exist either Oct 22 11:23:55 they are like magic pixies :) Oct 22 11:23:58 at least it keeps buggering me about google talk availability, if that is gtalk... Oct 22 11:24:16 Trewas: on an n8 or e7? Oct 22 11:24:21 n9 Oct 22 11:24:29 oh Oct 22 11:24:31 nothing exist, nokia was just a figment of your imagination, this whole channel is a virtual channel of some bleak reality, you're not really alive either, you're dead Oct 22 11:24:33 you have one? :) Oct 22 11:24:43 yeah Oct 22 11:24:55 psycho_oreos: it's like 6th sense :) Oct 22 11:25:04 Trewas: ah... i was talking about an e7 or n8 Oct 22 11:25:10 Macer, more like the matrix Oct 22 11:25:19 when you take the blue pill Oct 22 11:25:26 Macer: "i see dead phone projects"? Oct 22 11:25:43 i'm shocked the e7 is so expensive Oct 22 11:25:49 it's symbian isn't it? Oct 22 11:25:54 yes Oct 22 11:26:30 its supposed to be a `flagship' device, how is it any better than N900 is really a laughable comment by nokia's so-called `talented' marketers Oct 22 11:26:32 it looks like a nice phone Oct 22 11:26:58 but i can't see the new symbian being anything special Oct 22 11:27:07 well... newer :) Oct 22 11:27:31 its not meant to be special, symbian and meego will now all fuel money for the upcoming mango, nobody at nokia will care about symbian and meego after that Oct 22 11:27:45 it's a very good phone Oct 22 11:27:46 at least e7 is not completely dead wrt. software updates and new apps, like n900 has been for the last year Oct 22 11:27:51 and symbian is still good OS Oct 22 11:28:13 jacekowski: i didn't say it wasn't ;) i was just curious Oct 22 11:28:27 it is being sold for ~$400 Oct 22 11:28:41 all the good nokia phones are too expensive nowadays Oct 22 11:28:45 n900 was meant to be for a niche market and it was built accidentally by desperate brainless PR execs who couldn't stand nokia was bleeding red all over the annual incomes Oct 22 11:28:52 and all the good ones are the discontinued ones :) or soon to be Oct 22 11:28:56 Macer: well, it's similiar to other phones Oct 22 11:29:03 Macer: iphone costs just as much Oct 22 11:29:15 but iphone has high demand Oct 22 11:29:22 nokia is selling e7 and n8 for about 300e which is ridiculously cheap for their flagship phones Oct 22 11:29:33 as well as a very high supply Oct 22 11:29:52 symbian's OS is just as good as current harmattan's stance for DRM shit all over as well as more application restrictions Oct 22 11:29:55 hundai is making a $48,000 luxury car Oct 22 11:30:01 hyundai Oct 22 11:30:18 get my point? ;) Oct 22 11:30:44 who wants a hyundai flagship car? Oct 22 11:30:46 hyundai mostly manufactures spineless cars Oct 22 11:31:17 when you can get a better known car at the same price? Oct 22 11:31:39 nokia needs to realize they have gotten bitchslapped for the past 5 or so years and regroup Oct 22 11:31:42 sgs2 is over 500e and iphones over 600e Oct 22 11:31:48 the problem is at nokia, they're trying to recoup their losses Oct 22 11:31:59 is an sgs2 that expensive? Oct 22 11:32:26 i want a real alternative to my G1 Oct 22 11:32:27 all those money wasted on so called N9 and N950 but now all to focus on mango and forget about its past ties with open sourced community Oct 22 11:32:50 so do i get an e7 with no future for 450 Oct 22 11:32:56 or an sgs2 for $100 more ? :) Oct 22 11:32:59 heh Oct 22 11:33:16 nokia should take e7s and sell them for $150 to get back in the game Oct 22 11:33:28 obviously sgs2 but I'm not a fan on keyboard-less handheld devices let alone smartphone Oct 22 11:33:46 yeah. i don't like non-qwerty phones either Oct 22 11:33:53 which is why i got a g2/vision Oct 22 11:34:08 and wow... htc makes the cheapest made phones ever Oct 22 11:34:21 and e7 is just a poor comparison if there was an equivalent spec N900 (hardware-wise, and updated) compared against sgs2 I'd get N900 anyday Oct 22 11:34:23 my g1 was bad enough.. but at least it survived.. this g2 is HORRIBLE Oct 22 11:34:23 well the difference between e7 and sgs2 is 330 vs. 520 Oct 22 11:34:32 330? Oct 22 11:34:33 I thought huawei makes even more cheaper phone :þ Oct 22 11:34:53 new? Oct 22 11:34:54 :) Oct 22 11:35:06 new they are 390+ on amazon Oct 22 11:35:41 i wouldn't mind getting one but i wouldn't buy ti for that much Oct 22 11:36:00 when you can just throw in a little bit more and get a real phone from a company that isn't on the brink of going bankrupt :) Oct 22 11:36:25 how nokia is surviving is beyond me.. ms must be pumping them full of money Oct 22 11:36:33 break your N900 and give it into nokia care, they'll throw you either a N8 or E7. If they throw you a N8, whinge and bitch like a little girl and they'll give you E7. Be happy.. the end Oct 22 11:36:41 Macer: euros (though the price includes 23% tax) Oct 22 11:37:07 LOL Oct 22 11:37:13 psycho_oreos: my n900 was out of warranty :( Oct 22 11:37:18 when the usb port fell off Oct 22 11:37:26 i wish i could have.. i'd have taken the e7 :) Oct 22 11:37:33 Macer, shame, should have bought extra nokia warranty when you had the chance Oct 22 11:37:35 not an n8 tho :/ i hate qwertyless ones Oct 22 11:37:48 n900 can't be out of warranty yet, they started selling it under two years ago :P Oct 22 11:38:06 its nokia, what do you expect? Oct 22 11:38:08 psycho_oreos: hey.. other than the usb port falling off.. which was totally unexpected... Oct 22 11:38:16 it was in great shape :) Oct 22 11:39:30 Macer, yup unexpected but now you can't get your own merry little E7 Oct 22 11:39:52 not really. i tried to repair it so i am sure i voided the warranty Oct 22 11:39:55 :) Oct 22 11:40:00 i wanted my n900! Oct 22 11:40:12 you didn't mention that before :þ Oct 22 11:40:18 sure i did Oct 22 11:40:25 a few hundred times ;) Oct 22 11:40:39 no, you tried to repair wasn't mentioned in like over the period of 10 minutes Oct 22 11:40:50 oh... you mean right now Oct 22 11:41:08 no Oct 22 11:41:14 10 minutes != right now Oct 22 11:41:21 the warranty must have been for only 1 year anyways... when i contacted them they told me that i would have to pay for the repair Oct 22 11:41:38 in fact I should have mentioned 2 minutes, because 10 minutes was far too long anyways Oct 22 11:41:48 doesn't matter Oct 22 11:41:55 :) Oct 22 11:42:08 i wouldn't mind an e7 tho. it looks like a nice phone Oct 22 11:42:22 nokia should drop the price of them down to 200 and try to compete again Oct 22 11:42:23 then again you pay for repair, you might pay for E7 brand new without anything else except for device. Think of it as a cheaper incentive to sell your N900 and trade it in for E7 Oct 22 11:42:42 fair enough Oct 22 11:42:55 but i really do want my n900 :/ i miss it Oct 22 11:43:13 especially after using this crappy g2 for a few months Oct 22 11:43:13 it sounds like you love E7 way more than your N900 Oct 22 11:43:27 what's E7? Oct 22 11:43:40 some shitian powered nokia smartphone Oct 22 11:43:48 symbian nokia phone Oct 22 11:43:59 :( I thought it might have been the successor of the n900 Oct 22 11:43:59 psycho_oreos: symbian is still good Oct 22 11:44:01 with qwerty keyboard, and dubbed as `flagship' Oct 22 11:44:01 :) Oct 22 11:44:16 maybe someone here can get maemo on it Oct 22 11:44:18 OR MEEGO!! Oct 22 11:44:23 * Macer hides and busts out laughing Oct 22 11:44:38 WOLDRICH, if that were the case then Flop would be an oxymoron Oct 22 11:44:48 heh, "With touch screen and QWERTY", like having QWERTY would be a good thing Oct 22 11:44:56 Macer, so get rid of your N900 and get E7, win-win for you Oct 22 11:44:58 qwerty is a good thing :-P Oct 22 11:45:20 i couldn't see the n900 not having a qwerty Oct 22 11:45:20 and E7 wouldn't even be able to run maemo/meego with its puny hardware specs Oct 22 11:45:43 Macer, I have dvorak! Oct 22 11:45:44 some guy awhile back asked the same set of retarded questions of trying to flash his E7 with maemo images Oct 22 11:45:58 then remap it :-P Oct 22 11:46:26 puny specs? Oct 22 11:46:39 it is an n900 Oct 22 11:46:52 I'm talking about E7 with maemo OS Oct 22 11:47:01 as am i Oct 22 11:47:11 the e7 is an n900 running symbian :-P Oct 22 11:47:14 E7 has what... 333MHz processor? N900 has 600, Oct 22 11:47:18 no Oct 22 11:47:20 uhm Oct 22 11:47:22 well e7/n8 is not that much behind n900, and in fact ahead of n9 in some respect (what video it can hw decoed) Oct 22 11:47:28 the hardware is about the same Oct 22 11:47:47 that's like saying a ford car is the same as a porsche Oct 22 11:47:58 i would say other than the display being a llittle lower res then e7 is the same hardware as an n900 Oct 22 11:48:01 yeah about the same.. no its quite far off Oct 22 11:48:06 with a slightly faster cpu Oct 22 11:48:14 its more than just a faster CPU Oct 22 11:48:21 visited gsmarena lately? Oct 22 11:48:32 the hardware specs are the same Oct 22 11:48:37 fail Oct 22 11:48:56 680Mhz/256MB Arm 11 Oct 22 11:48:59 if the hardware specs are the same why couldn't someone run other OS on it? Oct 22 11:49:12 ARM 11 != ARM OMAP Oct 22 11:49:25 why does osx need hacking to run on anything other than apple hardware? Oct 22 11:50:39 uhm ok I failed in clock rate on E7 but the specs still isn't the same Oct 22 11:50:57 because you say hardware is the same when it isn't? Oct 22 11:53:44 not sure which type of arm it is using Oct 22 11:53:56 the n900 omap is shit nowadays anyways tho Oct 22 11:55:20 all most places say are arm 11 680MHz Oct 22 11:55:50 http://www.fonearena.com/blog/22774/nokia-e7-vs-nokia-n8-full-specs-comparison.html Oct 22 11:55:57 that is a good compare between the e7 and n8 Oct 22 11:56:25 and how is OMAP shit? Oct 22 12:05:14 The E7 cpu is probably slower than N900 cpu Oct 22 12:07:21 It's like the older N810/N800's ARM core, except clocked higher Oct 22 12:15:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ARM_microprocessor_cores Oct 22 12:15:47 enjoy! Oct 22 12:16:48 * ShadowJK finds his silly benchmarks http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=542944&postcount=19 Oct 22 12:17:34 "Sheevaplug has DOUBLE the clockspeed of N900, yet it's only 1.3 times as fast as N900." :) Oct 22 12:18:42 I had forgotten how close the atom and omap3 are at a work-per-clock basis in the OGR benchmark Oct 22 12:22:16 also nice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture Oct 22 12:23:57 I always get headache trying to joggle with ARMv7 ARM8 (cortex-)A8 and whatnot else Oct 22 12:25:15 DocScrutinizer, need to ask you out of curiousity, its a little offtopic but where do you normally source RAM chip? not the RAM sticks but the actual RAM chip that sits on the RAM sticks? Oct 22 12:25:53 I normally don't - EE != sourcing Oct 22 12:26:53 when I need chips, digikey and mouser are frequently first addr Oct 22 12:27:16 damn :/ thought you happen to know of a few sellers that would, I do recall you had information on a specific N900 component and thought you might know of a few good places that sells IC and what not Oct 22 12:27:34 hmm I'll hit those up and see how far I go, thanks Oct 22 12:28:36 farnell Oct 22 12:29:40 http://www.hkinventory.com Oct 22 12:31:22 even http://www.sparkfun.com sometimes Oct 22 13:04:02 DocScrutinizer, of all the links you posted I found hkinventory site has the component I want. I hate to ask you this but are you a member? Oct 22 13:04:22 nope Oct 22 13:04:37 *nods* thanks Oct 22 15:24:13 wow Oct 22 15:24:24 to use gtalk on an e7 you need to use nimbuzz? Oct 22 15:24:27 flagship huh? :) Oct 22 15:28:43 0.0 Oct 22 19:21:18 http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/22/nokia-n9-review/ ;_; Oct 22 19:26:29 kerio: good that they mention that it's already a dead platform :/ Oct 22 19:27:52 it is a nice looking phone... Oct 22 19:37:01 it's incredibly cute :( Oct 22 19:38:06 what does it say Oct 22 19:38:12 if only it had a keyboard I'd bought it :( Oct 22 19:38:40 WOLDRICH: that and you weren't buying a platform which is one foot in the grave Oct 22 19:38:47 dear nokia wtf are you doing. nobody wants your stupid windows phones Oct 22 19:38:56 doc|home, I would have Oct 22 19:39:03 that doesn't really matter for me Oct 22 19:39:11 WOLDRICH: the n900 was enough risk for me Oct 22 19:39:21 I want the hardware, I can do what I want with it :) Oct 22 19:39:38 I've bought one dead-platform phone before and it sits on my desk unused because the software was utterly shit (openmoko) Oct 22 19:39:53 can you not use what you want on it? Oct 22 19:40:04 what is the deal with application is http://my-maemo.com ? why are they not included in extra and testing? Oct 22 19:40:05 it wasn't even functional as a phone Oct 22 19:40:15 neither is my n900 :D Oct 22 19:40:20 o.O mine is Oct 22 19:40:22 I run arch on it Oct 22 19:40:25 haha Oct 22 19:40:50 I'm going to buy another one. Seeing as there doesn't seem to come anything better soon Oct 22 19:40:57 n900? Oct 22 19:41:01 yeah Oct 22 19:41:08 I'm liking the galaxy nexus Oct 22 19:41:21 I don't think I'd appreciate android Oct 22 19:41:28 but not seeing enough of an advantage to actually spend money replacing my n900 just yet Oct 22 19:42:07 there's a bunch of bad design flaws with the n900, but the most irritating thing is dpkg, which I have to use if I want it to function as a phone Oct 22 19:42:08 WOLDRICH: for me it's 60% hardware 30% software, 10% oh look-people actually create useful apps for it Oct 22 19:42:24 meh. 'apps' Oct 22 19:42:42 I use what I use on my other computers on it, pretty much :( Oct 22 19:42:43 you say that, but I still don't have an mpd client on my n900 which I have working on my n800... Oct 22 19:42:57 there's a bunch of mpd clients Oct 22 19:43:08 in some other repos? Oct 22 19:43:11 cutempc is one Oct 22 19:43:11 not in the main one... Oct 22 19:43:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=36068 Oct 22 19:43:42 ah, extra-devel repo Oct 22 19:43:56 if I install it will shit break all over the place? Used to happen on my n800 Oct 22 19:44:08 I ported pimpd2 to it. Because I want the client to play the audio as well Oct 22 19:44:19 it didn't for me Oct 22 19:44:38 but I didn't really like it. But that doesn't say much Oct 22 19:44:42 ok, will have to give it a go Oct 22 19:45:36 if u are careful with devel, u won't suffer harm Oct 22 19:45:57 yeah. I've only made it unbootable 10-15 times or so, so no worries Oct 22 19:46:18 (that might have been me trying to install everything and modify everything) Oct 22 19:46:23 hehe Oct 22 19:56:43 is there a plan to port maemo to N9? Oct 22 19:57:45 to port a dead platform onto a phone to replace a dead platform? :) Oct 22 19:59:01 maemo and N900 maybe dead, but I am not planning to stop using them any time soon. Oct 22 19:59:27 me neither, but it's a time vs worth thing :/ Oct 22 20:00:23 frankly speaking, I still do not see an alternative. Oct 22 20:06:56 smhar: i agree. Oct 22 20:07:07 i plan to buy another n900 as soon as i can. Oct 22 20:07:14 there is no alternative. Oct 22 20:22:05 HRH_H_Crab, me too, just in case the hardware on the first one fails Oct 22 20:34:16 there are many apps still in dev and testing and need to go up to extra, why not make a campaign. better late than never Oct 22 20:49:49 there was a tmo thread about it, but really not many programs still seem suitable to the end users who are just purely lazy to read the accompanying documentation at times Oct 22 20:50:35 smhar, also in regards to what you said earlier on any plans to port maemo to N9, the UI porting is in the works you might want to have a look at cordia. Oct 22 20:52:44 smhar: HRH_H_Crab the thing about buying hardware in case it fails is it might not fail for years, then the phone tech is so far behind :/ Oct 22 20:54:38 doc|home: thats true Oct 22 20:54:50 but in some ways the n900 is already "far behind" Oct 22 20:55:09 the question is will anyone ever make another phone which is also a decent palmtop linux computer? Oct 22 20:55:15 i cant see it happening... Oct 22 20:55:16 well, in general hardware yes, but not so much in the actual radio which is what I meant Oct 22 20:56:30 HRH_H_Crab: I bought the freerunner thinking the same thing, but that maxed out at 3g Oct 22 20:57:02 well, i don't think i really need more than 3g Oct 22 20:57:18 or to put that another way, Oct 22 20:57:33 id rather have a decent palmtop linux computer in my pocket which is limited at 3g Oct 22 20:57:53 than some tied down app store thing which can do 4g. Oct 22 20:58:53 agreed, which is why when I'm done android's going to be where I go :/ Oct 22 20:59:03 problem with android, Oct 22 20:59:06 the only thing missing is a top tier hardware keyboard device Oct 22 20:59:28 on a lot of phones the hardware vendor has fucked with it a lot. Oct 22 20:59:40 that's less and less the case now Oct 22 20:59:46 i used an android phone /before/ i got the n900. Oct 22 20:59:52 admittedly it was a sony ericsson Oct 22 20:59:56 well then yeah Oct 22 21:00:06 but i got so pissed off with it i sent it back in the cooling off period. Oct 22 21:00:10 and provided you can root it it's supposedly not even all that necessary to use their version Oct 22 21:00:23 that experience has made me VERY wary of android. Oct 22 21:00:34 things change Oct 22 21:01:24 well i guess thats what i'll be hoping when i move from my current n900 to the hypothetical new one i plan to buy. Oct 22 21:01:46 because like you say, Oct 22 21:02:05 even if google get their shit together and all my concerns about the os are removed, Oct 22 21:02:12 there still isnt any decent hardware! Oct 22 21:02:13 :P Oct 22 21:02:23 (keyboard) Oct 22 21:03:55 well sgs2 is pretty decent if lets say it came with a qwerty keyboard and you can run maemo/meego on it :þ Oct 22 21:04:32 and you can bitch and whine all you like at the alternatives but the truth is for the time being linux powered handheld devices remains bleak Oct 22 21:06:02 heh Oct 22 21:06:32 i actually have a real hankering for a phone with a dab receiver. Oct 22 21:06:44 i believe the n9 has some funky headphones that can do that. Oct 22 21:06:58 maybe ill just get an n9 and use an ssh client. Oct 22 21:06:59 :P Oct 22 21:08:32 openmoko is now community supported (manufacturer-less backing) like maemo and very soon meego. nokia and intel dropped support for meego community. hp dropped webos as it could not see a future. There's now a running rumour of nokia mulling over maltemi. google is still dogging with android as well as IP lawsuits from apple but still has a linux kernel in each of the android powered devices. samsung couldn't see much fun with pure linux or pure bsd so th Oct 22 21:08:32 ey created bada ages ago which is fairly niche just like maemo. Any other alternatives? Oct 22 21:09:14 Tizen, oddly Oct 22 21:09:30 ahh yes Tizen the much updated rumour Oct 22 21:09:48 what is bada? Oct 22 21:09:56 rasterman lends it some credibility :) Oct 22 21:09:56 is it linux with some stuff on top? Oct 22 21:10:04 oh I also forgot there was also moblin for instance Oct 22 21:10:13 but moblin is just as niche really Oct 22 21:11:22 there's a wikipage for bada Oct 22 21:12:53 doc|home, but the N900 tech is already behind anyway :-) Oct 22 21:13:36 ARM platform seems to be a little overrated these days, MIPS at one stage was about to jump onto the bandwagon of smartphone market and really if MIPS for example did jump on, maybe the market could be a little more interesting Oct 22 21:14:18 mips is there, just on the baseband side of things Oct 22 21:15:49 I'm already quite surprised the router these days probably packs enough punch to almost be capable of taking on against ARM. The 2 Netgear WNDR3700v2 I bought the other day features Atheros MIPS processor at 600+MHz which needless to say may be just as powerful if not more than my N900 Oct 22 21:16:14 the catch being that it doesn't have the power management that ARM does Oct 22 21:16:54 also, good choice in router Oct 22 21:17:07 OpenWRT I presume? Oct 22 21:17:37 I haven't read that much further in detail about MIPS but I'm sure if they stepped in and improved their flaws (such as what you highlighted in power management) then yes a competition against the overrated ARM would be gladly welcomed imo Oct 22 21:17:45 or DD-WRT/Tomato Oct 22 21:17:53 dd-wrt... Oct 22 21:17:56 *shudder* Oct 22 21:18:23 hey, its still linux powered. Or would you like a dose of windows powered router? ;) Oct 22 21:18:54 heh, I used dd-wrt on my buffalo until the radio died Oct 22 21:19:10 openwrt is, imo, much nicer Oct 22 21:19:36 or even one of those crappy OS that sits on top of TrendChip now powering a few routers which doesn't have any linux backing? Oct 22 21:20:37 the two WNDR3700v2 I bought the other day has old OpenWRT installed, so if I do a bit of hardware modding and what not I'll be happy to walk away with a nice powerful MIPS router Oct 22 21:20:59 hardware modding? Oct 22 21:21:05 and that reminds me to get rid of this stupid setup on huawei D100 Oct 22 21:21:23 yeah hardware modding, with WNDR3700 you can upgrade the RAM and add external antennas Oct 22 21:21:35 interesting Oct 22 21:21:49 http://wiki.openwrt.org/toh/netgear/wndr3700 Oct 22 21:22:07 external antenna modding isn't particularly interesting neither is it new but then again Oct 22 21:22:57 and wndr3800 has the cool bits that wndr3700 owners wished to have minus the potential backing of openwrt just now Oct 22 21:23:03 yup Oct 22 21:23:07 saw it the other day Oct 22 21:23:12 128MB of flash, 128MB of ram Oct 22 21:23:48 apparently it still has 16MB of flash, though RAM is upgraded to yeah 128MB, double the size on wndr3700v2 and quadruple the size on wndr3700 Oct 22 21:23:48 the ram upgrade is tempting Oct 22 21:24:27 the 3700 and 3700v2 have the same amount of RAM Oct 22 21:24:32 the v2 has 2x the flash though Oct 22 21:24:57 * wmarone has his unit booting from a USB hard drive instead Oct 22 21:24:59 i need to buy a new router / fwall soon. Oct 22 21:25:02