**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 23 02:59:57 2011 Oct 23 03:07:38 finally!! Oct 23 03:07:52 won a brand new n900 for $255 Oct 23 03:08:15 after losing bids from the same seller 9 times Oct 23 03:08:59 he was probably happy that he was able to recoup around half the money he spent on the thing Oct 23 03:09:29 at least he probably achieved his minimum price mark anyway Oct 23 03:17:07 maybe Oct 23 03:17:08 lol Oct 23 03:17:12 dont carr Oct 23 03:17:15 e Oct 23 03:20:17 cant wait to get it :) Oct 23 03:20:36 might open it to seriously fix the usb Oct 23 03:32:05 docscrutinizer, how do you compare N950 against N900? Oct 23 03:44:20 hm Oct 23 03:44:45 now i have to wait 2 weeka to get the damn thing Oct 23 03:44:49 weeks Oct 23 03:44:51 ah well Oct 23 04:08:00 http://www.boxwave.com/nokia-n900-cases-and-covers/nokia-n900-armor-case/bwpdd/pf-tckk/ Oct 23 04:08:07 have to get one :) Oct 23 04:08:23 although the giant hinge is kind of ugly Oct 23 09:06:57 * Stskeeps mumbles Oct 23 09:52:25 i use my n900 as a hotspot. on my laptop i can ping google - but trying to open google in a browser results in timeout... any ideas? Oct 23 09:53:58 dns? Oct 23 09:54:23 how could it... ping resolves correctly... Oct 23 09:54:42 and not only google... anything Oct 23 09:54:45 maybe your browser uses different dns server Oct 23 09:55:06 try opening smth by an ip address in browser Oct 23 09:55:22 it's not only the browser... it's all browsers, pidgin, xchat... even lynx Oct 23 09:55:48 firewall? :) Oct 23 09:56:02 ping is icmp, all the rest you listed is tcp Oct 23 09:56:29 how can i check if there is a firewall blocking anything? Oct 23 09:56:39 i never set one up Oct 23 09:56:47 ask your network administrator Oct 23 09:58:15 what admin of which network...? i'm using 3G... Oct 23 10:07:31 nicofs: test to browse to this address: http://173.194.32.17 Oct 23 10:08:52 moo Oct 23 10:13:31 hakkattakk timeout Oct 23 10:16:00 nicofs: strange, have you tried another broswer? Oct 23 10:17:22 hakkattakk chromium, firefor, lynx. pidgin, xchat... Oct 23 10:46:31 traceroute google Oct 23 11:25:26 I still have no idea what the problem was with the hinge given that the near-identical E7's is apparently fine. Oct 23 11:28:38 on the contrary you're offtopic Oct 23 11:38:02 My N900 won't turn on and if i plug the charger it kinda goes into a reboot loop and never even starts to charge Dx Oct 23 11:39:19 If i try to turn it on it stays in the NOKIA screen for a while and then the screen fades kinda like as if i pulled the battery Oct 23 11:41:50 reflash? Oct 23 11:42:26 i just did that a couple weeks ago, took more than two days without sleep to get everything installed and set just the way i wanted :( Oct 23 11:43:16 I guess you have had a minor hiccup somewhere and now the device cannot boot properly without reflash.. you might be able to boot in via R&D mode but I wouldn't hold my breath Oct 23 11:44:33 Fuck, windows flasher won't do R7D mode? Oct 23 11:44:38 R&D* Oct 23 11:46:54 you might be able to alleviate that by booting into linux either through real or virtualised and going from there Oct 23 11:47:46 iirc the updated 0xFFFF tool maybe able to set R&D mode but I don't know if you can compile it on windows though Oct 23 11:52:50 Hm, it's now in the NOKIA screen forever with the status LED steady yellow after i plugged the usb cable right after pressing the power button; is that of any help? Oct 23 12:01:26 Is there any option not involving me having to download a Linux image? Oct 23 12:01:35 no flashing with depleted battery Oct 23 12:01:48 It was green before this started :( Oct 23 12:01:49 no charging with messed up rootfs Oct 23 12:01:55 :( Oct 23 12:02:18 CHARGE YOUR BATTERY COMPLETELY PRIOR TO FLASHING Oct 23 12:02:22 steady yellow means it is charging without rootfs? Oct 23 12:02:49 yes, but only emergency charge to ~3.6V, way too low for flashing Oct 23 12:02:56 :( Oct 23 12:03:16 seems i'm screwed :( Oct 23 12:03:44 you are trapped in a well known deadlock, and your only chance is to get a charged battery without using the N900 to charge it Oct 23 12:04:15 I don't have an external charger nor another device compatible with the battery :( Oct 23 12:04:51 alien charge (compatible Nokia device), external stand alone charger, or a brand new battery Oct 23 12:05:21 don't got another battery either Oct 23 12:06:27 or lab bench power supply with proper regulation Oct 23 12:06:42 what happens if i try flasher-3.5.exe --enable-rd-mode (windows obviouslly) Oct 23 12:06:45 ? Oct 23 12:07:04 so what's your general plan? hacking some DIY only advisable to electronics hackers? visit a friend who got a compatible phone? Oct 23 12:07:12 order a charge? Oct 23 12:07:36 TiagoTiago: nuttin happens Oct 23 12:08:03 there is no such method out of your deadlock situation Oct 23 12:08:05 If i can't enable R&D mode under Windows i guess the only option for the moment would be to try to get some sort of Linux running on my desktop Oct 23 12:08:46 you can't ernable R&D mode under any OS when bat is empty, and it wouldn't help anything anyway Oct 23 12:09:35 you should've installed (and used) backupmenu Oct 23 12:10:35 RD mode works under windows it seems Oct 23 12:10:42 it a) would allow yu to restore to a prev customized system in no time (once you fixed your issues with booting, e.g. by reflah) and b) it has a builtin charger mostly immune to rootfs kickups Oct 23 12:11:20 TiagoTiago: r&D mode doesn't by any definition "work" under any host OS Oct 23 12:11:27 it's a mode set on N900 Oct 23 12:11:33 "You must use a Linux or a Mac OS X computer to enable R&D Mode, as the Windows update wizard will not allow you to enable/disable R&D Mode. Although, the Windows flasher will disable R&D Mode if you use it to reflash a device that has R&D Mode already enabled. " Oct 23 12:11:37 http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode Oct 23 12:11:54 so what? Oct 23 12:12:01 DocScrutinizer: moo Oct 23 12:12:03 is this related to your problem? Oct 23 12:12:07 moo chem|st Oct 23 12:12:12 TiagoTiago: wont help your problem Oct 23 12:12:22 someone here suggested i try to switch to R&D mode to boot and fix the reboot loop Oct 23 12:12:28 BS Oct 23 12:12:39 TiagoTiago: your state is "battery too low to do anything" Oct 23 12:12:39 well, most probably BS Oct 23 12:12:50 yes, exactly what chem|st says Oct 23 12:13:01 TiagoTiago: that only works with a healthy battery Oct 23 12:13:17 and even then it might not do any good... Oct 23 12:13:19 But the issue started right when i rebooted with green status led (it was connected to the wall charger overnight Oct 23 12:13:43 rebootloop drains the battery in no time Oct 23 12:13:50 wb gri Oct 23 12:13:52 the reboot loop drained the battery in just a few minutes without the device not even feeling warm? Oct 23 12:14:07 green light is an info of the system, not a surveillance for a nuklear powerplant. It may be completely wrong Oct 23 12:15:05 TiagoTiago: your device drains on a wallcharger too, as the green state remains without checking if it should be recharged if once been there and the charger does not get replugged Oct 23 12:15:07 if for example bme segfaulted and never recovered, then your charging stopped and *nobody* bothered to reset the green light to off Oct 23 12:15:09 So it could actually have already drained the battery but it only realised it was out of charge after rebooting? Oct 23 12:15:30 TiagoTiago: exactly Oct 23 12:15:42 yes Oct 23 12:15:47 happened to me once or twice Oct 23 12:16:03 Isn't there some sort of watchdog or somthing that would fire BME back again if it crashed? Oct 23 12:16:12 bme and mce were going wild and needed the battery removed Oct 23 12:16:52 yes, but if this failed (does frequently with e.g PK47 with bq27x00.ko loaded) then no luck Oct 23 12:16:58 I found out by notworking lights Oct 23 12:17:16 so no backlight and no kbdlight Oct 23 12:17:22 (the bme restart) Oct 23 12:18:52 long story short - what are you going to do now? if it's "I'll flush that n900 down the toilet" then tell me where you live so I can check the drain Oct 23 12:19:02 If i get a linux running, could i use that rescueos initrd thing to try to fix things? Oct 23 12:19:06 you need a charged battery Oct 23 12:19:19 I'm freaking out, but not that gone insane just yet Oct 23 12:19:26 that insane* Oct 23 12:19:40 good thinking, but unclear if you ever get rescue-initrd running on a flatbat-device Oct 23 12:20:30 coldflashing might work, to start the rescue initrd, but that's never been described Oct 23 12:20:57 so you'd be the first one to do it, and no support, not even much of support from me, sorry Oct 23 12:21:35 TiagoTiago: yeah nice idea but you need power, as DocScrutinizer just said coldflashing might get you back into emergency charging but noone ever tried that documented... Oct 23 12:21:37 I may help though in working towards an alternative for charging that doesn't include N900 Oct 23 12:21:41 that involves having those special plugs for those ports under the battery, right? Oct 23 12:22:09 no Oct 23 12:22:11 actualy no Oct 23 12:23:12 you need a charger which can charge LiPoly @1.2A 5V Oct 23 12:23:17 but it involves pro level understanding of flaher, rom-bootloader, 1st and 2nd level bootloader, and the way to bootstrap a device out of nirvana Oct 23 12:23:27 Is there some follproof way of improvising a charger? Oct 23 12:23:36 (the coldflashing that is) Oct 23 12:23:39 TiagoTiago: nope Oct 23 12:23:44 yes Oct 23 12:23:45 :-) Oct 23 12:23:54 almost foolproof Oct 23 12:23:55 DocScrutinizer: foolproof? Oct 23 12:24:01 yeah almost... Oct 23 12:24:05 old nokia charger Oct 23 12:24:10 I can't just pull some wires straight from the wall charger and touch the battery wires, can i? Oct 23 12:24:18 battery contacts* Oct 23 12:24:38 4.8V 600mA, will happily charge the cell until it explodes ;-P Oct 23 12:24:54 (not really) Oct 23 12:25:01 doesn't sound foolproof :/ Oct 23 12:25:06 nope Oct 23 12:25:15 TiagoTiago: not from usb wallcharger, no Oct 23 12:25:30 What about one of those old ones, with the small pin plug? Oct 23 12:25:53 you need a powersupply with 4.8-5V and limit the current to 600-1000mA Oct 23 12:25:55 you need an old nokia charger with barrel connector that says sth like "4.8V= 600mA" Oct 23 12:26:10 yes, one of those old ones Oct 23 12:26:20 but must be Nokia original Oct 23 12:26:56 if you got one of those you can go for it, they have a charger array Oct 23 12:27:12 How do i know which wire goes where? Oct 23 12:27:52 those barrel connectors have an inner contact which is + and goes to +, and a sleve/outer which is - and goes to - Oct 23 12:28:28 and I strongly recommend you get a voltmeter as well Oct 23 12:28:56 and check the battery voltage every 5 min Oct 23 12:29:06 It wouldn't help to test with my tongue, would it? Oct 23 12:29:19 stop chaging when battery voltage goes well over 4.0V Oct 23 12:29:40 meanwhile i should disable RD mode? Oct 23 12:29:42 no, tongue doesn't have 5% accuracy (except mine ;-P ) Oct 23 12:29:59 you shouldn't even care about R&D Oct 23 12:30:40 external charger is 4.20Eur from eastmaze Oct 23 12:31:08 I'm not sure where i can find somthing open around here on a Sunday... Oct 23 12:31:16 please also check http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility and think *twice* if you may find a compatible device for charging Oct 23 12:32:22 better wait until Monday or even next month, rather than nuking your beloved N900, no? Oct 23 12:32:51 the charger i got is a AC-3EB; it says it's output is 5.0V and 350 mA Oct 23 12:33:06 it was for a N73 Oct 23 12:33:08 Nokia I guess Oct 23 12:33:13 yep Oct 23 12:33:15 barrel connector? Oct 23 12:33:22 the thin one, yes Oct 23 12:33:36 with the "hole" in middle Oct 23 12:34:06 i also saw another one with the bigger round one, i thikn it was for a 3675 (am i remembering the model name right? it was the one with the round dial-like keypad) Oct 23 12:34:11 "the thin one" isn't exactly descriptive Oct 23 12:34:47 1.5mm Oct 23 12:34:53 or something Oct 23 12:35:05 ooh fsck, 1.5mm barrel? Oct 23 12:35:49 Oops, i meant 3650 Oct 23 12:35:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrel_connector Oct 23 12:36:09 or 2.3mm or something Oct 23 12:36:37 smaller than a 2.5mm jack Oct 23 12:37:17 IT's about as thick as the "N900" reflective text on top of the N900 screen Oct 23 12:37:24 It's* Oct 23 12:38:19 whatever it is, if it's a Nokia wallwart and says sth like 5V xxxmA Oct 23 12:38:43 all my 2mm "5V" output 6-8V Oct 23 12:38:49 then you're quite probably safe with attaching it to the battery, + to +, - to - Oct 23 12:39:06 ShadowJK: without load, that'S ok Oct 23 12:39:10 it doesn't matter that much if you monitor charging constantly and stop at 4.2V Oct 23 12:39:14 DocScrutinizer: 2mm it is Oct 23 12:39:39 stop at 4.05..4.10 volt Oct 23 12:40:10 no good idea to go to the limit with such a brute force mcGyver setup Oct 23 12:40:28 DocScrutinizer: he could stop at 3.9 and try emergency charging with the device Oct 23 12:40:41 no, as the device doesn't charge Oct 23 12:40:59 he needs a bat that allows reflash Oct 23 12:41:06 ah ok Oct 23 12:41:28 ah the bricked OS we have too?! Oct 23 12:41:32 but anyway a voltmeter is mandatory Oct 23 12:43:14 TiagoTiago: you *could* gamble and simply charge the battery until it cuts out on overvoltage via protective circuitry, or gets hot. I *STRONGLY* discourage you from doing so Oct 23 12:44:11 I've accidentally triggered those circuits, and they're not so good. It had no hysteresis, constantly switching on/off and getting warm Oct 23 12:44:28 TiagoTiago: come back when you got the charger, the wires, and a *voltmeter*, and we'll talk you thru the process Oct 23 12:45:09 No way to use the flasher to tell it to bypass the battery and get the energy straigjht out of the usb plug? Oct 23 12:45:36 if you really want to do that. I still think it's a way better idea to find a compatible charger device (aka Nokia phone) and charge your cell with that Oct 23 12:45:36 voltmeters can be found in generic hardware and DIY home improvement stores here, as well as in big supermarkets Oct 23 12:46:31 TiagoTiago; do you have uboot or meego installed? Oct 23 12:46:37 TiagoTiago: we told you several times now thare's evidently no way out of your situation other than alien charging Oct 23 12:47:28 ShadowJK: just Maemo Oct 23 12:47:53 (well, except coldflash rescue OS, aka rescue-initrd or meego or NIIN101's thing) Oct 23 12:48:20 and I honestly doubt you'll succeed to get that working Oct 23 12:50:19 please check http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility and call all your friends if one of then has any of those compatible devices to charge your cell Oct 23 12:50:31 Would it be safe to try to charge the battery from a device that isn't compatible, by conecting the contacts with some wires? Oct 23 12:50:54 Like a N73 or a 3650? Oct 23 12:51:01 usually yes, but most devices will not work Oct 23 12:51:54 I'm pretty sure I could get wires connected to battery without any of them touching eachother, but not so sure about getting them attached to phone Oct 23 12:52:48 I could probably tape them against the contacts Oct 23 12:53:41 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bp-4l/compatibility those devices use bp-4l battery (like N810) and are known to charge the bl-5j if you just push the battery to the contacts (it won't fit nicely into the battery bay so you have to push rather hard, but contacts are compatible) Oct 23 12:53:41 Do i have to worry about the thickness of the wires or any will do? Oct 23 12:54:10 I only got a N73 and a 3650 Oct 23 12:54:40 I wouldn't worry about thickness Oct 23 12:54:53 unless you're making them really really long Oct 23 12:55:55 the N73 uses BP-6M batteries, i have to go find where i stuck the 3650 though, i don't think it got unpacked yet after i moved Oct 23 12:56:03 anyway charging with a $RANDOM device by attaching the wires to the battery and device's battery cotacts probably is the worst idea of all Oct 23 12:56:48 :( Oct 23 12:57:22 it's probably less dangerous than attaching random powersupply with wires Oct 23 12:57:26 I thought it would be safer than trying to jerryrig a old charger straight into the battery Oct 23 12:57:31 TiagoTiago, I was in the same situation myself. Stupid, stupid Oct 23 12:57:51 you're risking to destroy the abused device, and success is not exactly guaranteed either, as all those devices use some 3rd contact to monitor battery and that usually isn't really compatible Oct 23 12:58:02 i see Oct 23 12:58:41 ShadowJK: random charger yes, bad idea. Nokia barrel connector wallwart charger: reasonably safe Oct 23 12:59:23 And if you put a nokia phone in between nokia barrel psu and battery... Oct 23 12:59:41 Nokia specs for all their wallwart chargers with barrel connector was such that phone can PWM connect it directly to battery Oct 23 13:00:16 current limiting done inside wallwart Oct 23 13:00:25 they are bult for that Oct 23 13:00:34 Yeah, and with high internal resistance battery, the voltage over battery climbed to 4.6V on my N810 ;p Oct 23 13:00:55 (at which point bme called abort()) Oct 23 13:01:09 quite possible, when the N810 doesn't check for voltage and stopped the process just in time Oct 23 13:03:01 "normal" wallwart PSUs have a huge buffer capacitor and things like that, and don't react too good to overcurrent, or even provide up to several Ampere when shortcircuited Oct 23 13:03:35 Nokia charger wallwart will never provide more than the xxx mA as stated on label Oct 23 13:11:53 the good news is i found my multimeter, the bad news is the aligator clip is so oxydised the resistance is all over the place Oct 23 13:12:54 that's btw where the term "fastcharger" originates from, I guess. As 'old' Nokia phones never used continuous CC/CV charging, but rather charged PWM (0.5..2Hz) and the CC been delivered by the charger. So a "fastcharger" with 800mA rated output actually chaged faster than one with 550mA rated output Oct 23 13:13:16 alifator clip, humm Oct 23 13:13:48 don't you have tips on it to just touch the battery's + and - pads? Oct 23 13:14:21 s/pads/contact springs/ Oct 23 13:14:32 o.O Oct 23 13:14:34 i replaced with aligator clips so i wouldn't have to hold it in place, seems i bought cheap ones though (and actually my soldering job was shitty, one of them fell off a while ago) Oct 23 13:15:51 cut them off and use the bare wire ends :-P Oct 23 13:16:15 will work just fine to touch the battery contacts Oct 23 13:16:58 SEems there is some chemical reaction going on, it's accusing a few microvolts (either that or my house is haunted) Oct 23 13:17:10 without anything touching the wires that is Oct 23 13:18:36 hm, wait, that is not right, i'm moving the dial up and it still shows numbers, shouldn't it start ignoring the least significatn digits if i switch to bigger voltage? Oct 23 13:22:32 If i pull out the probes seems the probe wires it seems to only show random microvolts, but with the wries attached it keeps showing random numbers (usually bellow 5) for the least significant digit regardless of which range i set it to, even in AC... Oct 23 13:23:10 same thing in amperimeter mode... Oct 23 13:23:28 never mind Oct 23 13:24:00 short the wires, should make those rnadom digits go away. If not, never mind Oct 23 13:24:50 make sure you picker correct meter range (e.g 20V DC) Oct 23 13:25:02 and probe the battery Oct 23 13:25:34 Seems the numbers change, or appear, more often if i have my hand near the thing... Oct 23 13:25:42 make sure you get a semi-steady reading, write it down Oct 23 13:25:58 volts or amps? Oct 23 13:26:03 VOLT!!!! Oct 23 13:27:14 between 3.86 and 3.87 Oct 23 13:27:21 good Oct 23 13:27:29 actually that's not that bad either Oct 23 13:27:38 lol Oct 23 13:27:54 anyone using weechat on pc? Oct 23 13:28:02 nevertheless you may want to charge the cell to ~4V Oct 23 13:28:03 I'm installing the maemo 5 sdk from scratch on a new machine using http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer and have a question Oct 23 13:29:21 I noticed that the scratchbox repository also has scratchbox-toolchain-cs2009q3-*, while I'm installing scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-* now. Going from a "newer must equal better" viewpoint, is it possible/advisable to switch to 2009q3? Oct 23 13:29:50 TiagoTiago: or you even may try reflashing when your battery is at ~3.9V (3.87 actually). It might just suffice to do a normal flashing Oct 23 13:30:36 but I guess the voltage will drop to 3.6 or 3.5 as soon as you insert the battery to N900 and boot up the device Oct 23 13:32:05 ErwinJunge: I never heard of cs200?q3-* Oct 23 13:32:45 are you sure this is for N900/fremantle? MAybe it's for diablo/N8x0 ? Oct 23 13:32:45 cs2009q3 is the harmattan toolchain Oct 23 13:32:52 aaah Oct 23 13:33:35 DocScrutinizer: It's the 3rd item in the wiki link I just posted Oct 23 13:33:49 "Install scratchbox" Oct 23 13:34:13 Has a list of packages, with among other things scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 Oct 23 13:34:53 ErwinJunge: the answer is no. Oct 23 13:35:08 javispedro: Thanks :) Oct 23 13:35:16 Also care to explain why? Oct 23 13:35:31 ABI Oct 23 13:36:38 first, each toolchain release is built with a specific glibc version in mind; second, even if this wasn't the case, gcc does have its support libraries around, and the device ones are cs2007. Oct 23 13:37:27 Ok, clear. Thankns Oct 23 13:37:40 The voltimeter says the wallcharger puts out 9 volts, not 5... Oct 23 13:38:58 never mind Oct 23 13:39:00 WTF?! it puts out 19 volts in AC 0.0 Oct 23 13:39:35 TiagoTiago: are you sure you know how to *use* a multimeter? Oct 23 13:39:59 e.g. you CAN NOT probe Ampere of any power source! Oct 23 13:40:13 why not? Oct 23 13:40:16 will most likely destroy your multimeter Oct 23 13:40:25 too late :( Oct 23 13:40:50 lol @ too late :D Oct 23 13:40:54 thought as much Oct 23 13:41:04 ooh, my N900 will be out of warranty in a week. Oct 23 13:41:23 how can i check if it's toasted? Oct 23 13:42:45 basically not at all, in practice check the voltage of the battery, with CORRECT RANGE SET i.e. 20V DC! Oct 23 13:43:11 i would expect it would use separate circuits for the voltimeter and the amperimeter Oct 23 13:43:21 ErwinJunge: what you can do btw is upgrade to a new version of the same toolchain, these are also available some times. Oct 23 13:43:26 (or 10V or 40, or whatever your DMM offers) Oct 23 13:44:01 TiagoTiago: (separate circuits) possible, but not guaranteed Oct 23 13:44:38 what's the proper way to use the amperimeter part then? Oct 23 13:44:49 there's even a small chance it's still OK or just blew a fuse Oct 23 13:44:54 volts still reading almost 3.9 Oct 23 13:45:14 it says it can handle at most 200mA Oct 23 13:45:39 for the battery that is Oct 23 13:45:55 so what's happening if you try to flash with this battery? I.E. will the USB icon stay on NOKIA screen when you hold "u" while plugging in wallcharger? Oct 23 13:45:55 can i trust the charger if it's putting out 19volts in AC? Oct 23 13:46:39 is it a Nokia wallwart charger with a barel connector? Oct 23 13:46:40 i could get it to go into,a nd then ouyt of RD mode, haven't tried flashing yet, i was hoping there would be a solution without involving me having to reinstall pretty much everything Oct 23 13:46:57 it was, now it got a red and a black wire sticking out Oct 23 13:47:43 then it's OK for charging, but when you get the USB logo steady then the battery is OK for flashing Oct 23 13:47:52 no need to charge it Oct 23 13:48:24 and no, there's no way out of bootloop other than R&D mode and reflashing Oct 23 13:48:47 not if you don't have a clue what's wrong with your system Oct 23 13:49:01 I've had way too many sleepless nights latelly, i would rather not have to spend yet another few days burning at both ends to get things back to a reasonable level :( Oct 23 13:49:30 seems your "reasonable level" caused a bootloop anyway Oct 23 13:49:40 One thing i would try if i could get access to the files would be to replace the transitions and leds files back to default Oct 23 13:49:44 javispedro: How would I recognize the difference between a new version of the same toolchain and a different toolchain? Oct 23 13:49:56 and as mentioned before you'd not be in that situation if you had proper backups Oct 23 13:50:04 ErwinJunge: by the version number ;P Oct 23 13:50:24 backup menu is incompatible with that techinique for booting from the emmc Oct 23 13:50:27 1.0, 1.0.1, 1.0.2... Oct 23 13:50:30 :( Oct 23 13:50:42 TiagoTiago: fair idae. So get NIN101 rescue system working, and do exactly that Oct 23 13:51:26 do i get that Maemo VM or should i go with a full linux? Oct 23 13:51:43 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75369 Oct 23 13:57:13 javispedro: I'm installing these things via apt-get, I guess it should just get the most recent version automatically. Oct 23 13:57:21 ok.. Oct 23 13:57:54 Wait, so it can work from Windows? Oct 23 13:58:17 TiagoTiago: The VM thing works fine from Windows Oct 23 13:58:43 So i need to get the Maemo VM to use RescueOS? Oct 23 14:02:36 If the problem was in the transitions or the LEDs file would RD mode allow it to boot? Oct 23 14:05:06 TiagoTiago: I don't know about RescueOS, nor what you are trying to accomplish exactly. I've used the Maemo VM to compile stuff to run on the N900. It works for that. Oct 23 14:05:46 I'll stop commenting now, since you seem to be trying to do something dangerous and I don't want to be responsible for you blowing up your device :) Oct 23 14:05:56 lol Oct 23 14:10:32 TiagoTiago: nobody can tell for sure what R&D will do for your device regarding stopping bootloop. You have to try it Oct 23 14:11:30 rescueOS booted, now i'm running the charger script Oct 23 14:13:14 started at 70% and it's now at 72%, i guess that means that part is working Oct 23 14:21:51 DocScrutinizer but does RD mode allow booting when the transitions or the LEDs file (it's MCE.ini i think) got messed up contents? Oct 23 14:22:45 TiagoTiago: nobody can tell for sure what R&D will do for your device regarding stopping bootloop. You have to try it Oct 23 14:23:09 I'm nto talking about my device, i'm talking about RD mode in general Oct 23 14:23:20 I'd guess as soon as there is a watchdog it will reboot Oct 23 14:23:23 does it bypass errors in those files? Oct 23 14:23:32 and I'm not going to start a master thesis to answer your question Oct 23 14:23:58 What makes that not a "Yes" or "no" question? Oct 23 14:24:55 the fact that mce for example won't help system to operate when it doesn't restart resp. consistently segfaults. R&D mode won't change that Oct 23 14:25:40 and no, R&D mode doesn't "bypass" any errors in any file Oct 23 14:25:47 so it just moves along even if the errors in the files makes the device unusable for the remainder of the session? Oct 23 14:25:58 it just allows to ignore watchdog timeouts Oct 23 14:26:05 i see Oct 23 14:26:27 and even that you need to enable separately after R&D got enabled Oct 23 14:26:53 R&D by itself has subtile effects none of which will really help you to recover from bootloop Oct 23 14:27:06 I see Oct 23 14:29:00 well, maybe it stops dsme from rebooting the device on excessive restarts of a monitored process, so that *would* help avoid some bootloop causes. Not though for mce I think Oct 23 14:30:54 Is there some log i could check with RescueOS (it can mount the fs's) that would point me to what is causing the device to not boot up? Oct 23 14:32:26 oops, closed the wrong tab Oct 23 14:33:18 Erm, how often does the channel log gets updated? Oct 23 14:35:44 Nope, didn't miss anything while i hadn't rejoined Oct 23 14:58:01 syslog, if you got that running Oct 23 14:58:58 on your bootlooping system, that is Oct 23 14:59:25 won't help much to start ksyslogd on the rescue OS Oct 23 14:59:41 crap, i think hadn't installed that yet :( Oct 23 15:00:10 then all logs got lost with each reboot Oct 23 15:00:34 dmesh just maintains a RAM buffer Oct 23 15:00:40 dmesg* Oct 23 15:00:44 :( Oct 23 15:11:38 Where does the N900 stores the reboot count? Oct 23 15:14:24 /var/lib/dsme/boot_count Oct 23 15:14:39 thanx Oct 23 15:19:39 weird, it says it's zero, shouldn't it be more if i'm having bootloop issues? Oct 23 15:26:22 Does RescueOS got fsck? Oct 23 15:27:09 I ran fsck once, it was big mistake Oct 23 15:30:35 even just to check for the presence of errors? Oct 23 15:33:09 re boot_count see "Houston, we got a problem!" Oct 23 15:33:44 It shouldn't be zero? Oct 23 15:33:58 I guess the idea of boot counting got nuked with fixing the Houston bug in PR1.1 Oct 23 15:41:37 Does RescueOS got fsck? <-- yes, for extX and fat. Oct 23 15:43:13 Are they safe or should i stick with the experience people had so far with fsck and the N900? Oct 23 15:43:43 well, it may take ages, and still result is uncertain Oct 23 15:44:12 nothing a proper full reflash wouldn't fix though Oct 23 15:44:35 btw, since i got you here, any progress with adding MidnightCommander to rescueOS? Oct 23 15:45:36 except for the flash-storage wear that's of course done by fsck as by any other heavy storage write process Oct 23 15:46:13 (mc) that'd actually be awesome Oct 23 15:47:07 NIN101? Oct 23 15:47:10 No I didn't do anything to add midnightcommander to rescueos. If it's not too big(and I think it isn' :-) then I see no reason why it shouldn't be added. Oct 23 15:48:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1073320&postcount=16 he says it's around 3.8 in Fremantle Oct 23 15:48:53 that's ok. Oct 23 15:48:56 I have a nokia n900. My friend has a computer with FreeBSD on it. I'm trying to mount the phone so that I can get some stuff off it. Can anyone help. Oct 23 15:49:24 3.8MB* Oct 23 15:50:42 Start phone, plug in usb, select mass storage mode. Check dmesg on PC to see what device it appeared as? Oct 23 15:51:44 Btw, does ROS come with any other text editor besides vi (preferably somthing that feels more "normal" to use, without everything going thru keyboard shortcuts like that, perhaps somthing done in ncurses) Oct 23 15:51:48 ? Oct 23 15:52:19 it comes with nano. Oct 23 15:52:35 ShadowJK, it says da1 Oct 23 15:53:24 cool Oct 23 15:54:02 Under /etc/fstab, what is the file system type of the n900 Oct 23 15:54:14 I wouldn't use fstab Oct 23 15:54:55 What do you suggest? Oct 23 15:55:02 just manually mount -t msdos /dev/da1 /mnt/n900 Oct 23 15:55:08 or something like that Oct 23 15:56:06 maybe it's da1s0, not sure, what came up when I googled "How to mount usb flash in freebsd" ;-) Oct 23 15:56:16 I can't use ROS to install things on the actual Maemo inside the N900 using apt-get, can i? Oct 23 15:57:12 Checking now. Thanks. Oct 23 15:58:01 mount_msdosfs is also mentioned Oct 23 15:59:42 it would be possible if you mount the maemo rootfs, the home partition to /mnt/maemo/home/ and a bind mount of /mnt/maemo/home/opt to /mnt/maemo/opt. Then you must chroot into /mnt/maemo, but, as I have read and experienced, apt-get can mess up things, so I wouldn't recommend it. Oct 23 16:02:30 indeed Oct 23 16:03:12