**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Oct 28 02:59:57 2011 Oct 28 03:49:11 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 04:00:07 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 04:28:26 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 04:48:38 infobot, shut up Oct 28 04:48:39 yes, master woldrich Oct 28 05:29:39 DocScrutinizer, you there? Oct 28 06:00:48 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 06:07:53 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 06:12:17 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 06:27:41 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Oct 28 06:29:55 can i somehow edit contents of emmc flash image for N900, i would need to add some files to it Oct 28 06:34:44 not easily but there are threads on doing so, there's even a blog post about it Oct 28 06:35:28 hmm... i have tried to find those without any luck Oct 28 06:35:38 well no you can't really remaster the bin file I'm afraid but you can get flasher to flash the compiled image that you made Oct 28 06:37:42 yep, the problem is that i would need to make several n900s to have same files in system and mass memory Oct 28 06:37:51 it would be easiest to do it with flasher Oct 28 06:38:15 so far i have been able to produce rootfs to be flashed but still would need some way to do it with emmc... Oct 28 06:38:27 contrary to that nokia has not released how their bin files are compiled so there's no shortcut here Oct 28 06:38:39 ok then i understand Oct 28 06:38:43 I thought emmc structures were similar no? Oct 28 06:38:50 no idea :D Oct 28 06:39:10 i just followed some instructions for backing up system and making rootfs image Oct 28 06:39:45 mmm I gotta extract a emmc file and examine it but I'm sure the huge file after being extracted should be the rootfs Oct 28 06:40:16 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 Oct 28 06:40:25 that site has what i have done so far Oct 28 06:41:08 compressed tarball or the other format? ubifs? Oct 28 06:41:36 tar was what i got out of that BackupMenu Oct 28 06:42:01 yeah you'll need to convert that tarball into ubifs before it could be used with flasher Oct 28 06:42:34 hmm... yep, you are right that's what i infact did Oct 28 06:42:49 there are intructions on that same site, just followed those Oct 28 06:43:57 the other thing is that I'm not sure whether or not can flasher distinguish the difference between rootfs image for the actual root filesystem and rootfs image for emmc Oct 28 06:44:41 oh, i thought that rootfs image is only for root filesystem Oct 28 06:44:56 i must say that i don't know much about that flashing Oct 28 06:45:56 well if you see the combined firmware and emmc firmware, they only flash portions of the device. I can see that the code robbiethe1st has posted up definitely needs to be changed or else you will write to / instead of /home/user/MyDocs Oct 28 06:46:54 I'm starting to lean towards thinking that the flasher couldn't tell the difference and would flash from / unless if you specify within the premade ubifs image that the contents is to be placed elsewhere within the filesystem Oct 28 06:48:14 there's definitely lots of redefining to do apart from whats mentioned by that thread, the size would be completely different as well Oct 28 06:48:32 yep... Oct 28 06:49:20 how many N900 are you planning to deploy it on? just out of curiousity Oct 28 06:49:36 i was infact thinking that would it be possible to flash that rootfs to root filesystem then take original emmc from nokia, modify it and flash it with flasher but might be close to impossible task :) Oct 28 06:50:23 that's what I thought you would be inclined to do, but like I said you can't remake the bin file as provided by nokia. The only closest thing you can get to is making a ubifs image Oct 28 06:50:27 just a couple but possibly need to do it several times, so it's starting to look like i'll do it using some other way :) Oct 28 06:51:37 it's getting too complicated :) Oct 28 06:51:41 it'll definitely be less of an experiment if you go through say wireless maybe. Maybe even wired with USB hostmode and going through wired switches instead Oct 28 06:52:08 yep Oct 28 06:53:23 * psycho_oreos wonders how many is a couple lol, there was some rumours someone intended to purchase 10 (!) N900. Oct 28 06:53:49 :) Oct 28 06:54:01 That's not you is it? Oct 28 06:54:05 nope Oct 28 06:54:20 * psycho_oreos has 3 though Oct 28 06:55:46 psycho_oreos, I was going to buy a bunch. I expected them to be cheap enough today. So I checked the prices, and you'll have to pay almost twice as much as I did for my first n900 2 years ago. What the fuck man Oct 28 06:56:03 they're cheap in uk, but still Oct 28 06:56:57 woldrich, I'm guessing people realise that N900 are rare on the markets now that nokia no longer has interest in maemo realms and the power of these devices Oct 28 06:57:07 :( Oct 28 06:57:31 the reason why I wanted more is because I doubt there'll be anything like the n900 for at least a couple of years Oct 28 06:57:35 I'm guessing about 1/5 of the buyers may probably be script kiddies whom saw N900 is capable of cracking wireless networks Oct 28 06:57:43 meh Oct 28 06:59:03 I didn't buy all 3 of mine at once, but I'm just building up my safety net for the very same reason as yours. Except I also do tinkering every now and then Oct 28 06:59:27 psycho_oreos, what do you use your 3 for? please tell me you're building clusters and setting up distcc and stuff Oct 28 06:59:47 right Oct 28 07:00:52 are you using maemo on all of them? Oct 28 07:00:58 woldrich, nothing interesting for distcc, initially I was thinking of setting up my third N900 as a gamer device (with that game pad attachment) but now am only thinking of setting up as 4th alarm clock and probably be serving as stable builds Oct 28 07:01:00 yeah Oct 28 07:01:13 I still am planning to triple boot at least two Oct 28 07:01:17 game pad attachment? :o Oct 28 07:01:33 I think its called gamegripper, I don't know if they are still for sale Oct 28 07:01:50 heh. cute Oct 28 07:02:26 also depending on my finances I may do some hardware modding on my N900, so if I screw one up I still have two to play around (lol) Oct 28 07:02:43 what kind of modding? Oct 28 07:03:30 it seems I just bought a game gripper... though their main site seems dead Oct 28 07:04:23 battery mods, antenna mods, and maybe add more extra chips (such as gyroscope and compass) maybe even those plastic cooling fins (hopefully I could buy maybe 1 metre cubed and so I could cut them and use them for various other things) Oct 28 07:04:52 I wish I could hack hardware as well as software :/ Oct 28 07:05:36 The most noteworthy hardware hack I've made is connecting a commodore amiga mouse to my computer Oct 28 07:05:38 I don't expect my hardware hacking to be as spectacular as software hacking though I'm eager to give it a shot. I have many other devices that I want to mod as well Oct 28 07:05:41 :( Oct 28 07:06:57 hey I remember a pretty good wiki page with python dbus examples on maemo.org but now I can't find it. Does anyone know the url? Oct 28 07:07:07 about call handling and such Oct 28 07:07:08 lol never owned a commodore amiga so I wouldn't know and I don't think I've done anything interesting either. Apart from adding cooling fans to various bits and pieces, stripping stuff apart, etc Oct 28 07:08:22 nevermind, found it: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Oct 28 07:08:47 hmm, I wonder if there are better batteries fitting the n900 Oct 28 07:09:10 there was a thread for it, search for that 3000+mAH battery conversion Oct 28 07:09:11 theres atleast a mugen 2800mAh, some people have made their own Oct 28 07:09:35 sadly that tells me nothing. I suck at everything that's not code Oct 28 07:10:08 well, its about double the capacity of the default one Oct 28 07:10:20 mugen's idea of battery is not bad but imo the replacement back cover to fit that new battery in looks fugly regardless if its the old one or the new redesigned back cover Oct 28 07:10:27 ah. that sounds great. Is it a lot heavier? Oct 28 07:10:38 oh. :( Oct 28 07:11:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 Oct 28 07:11:39 mine has the mugen 2800mAh, i dont think its ugly Oct 28 07:11:53 but then again, i used to be happy with a 2110i with the high-capacity battery back in mid 90s :) Oct 28 07:12:27 http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/mugen-power-nokia-n900-2400mah-extended-replacement-battery-with-battery-door.html Oct 28 07:12:44 hmm, i thought it was 2800.. my mistake Oct 28 07:13:51 the standard N900 back cover should be an ideal base to work with and they should just extend the depth of the back cover, maybe even make a bigger kickstand than the puny standard kickstand Oct 28 09:27:06 ~seen javispedro Oct 28 09:27:12 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 9h 48m 25s ago, saying: 'or $800..'. Oct 28 10:36:46 samba-common is broken on my device. when i try to remove it through apt-get it says E: The package samba-common needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it.also it is imposible to install anything else because apt says same thing as this and doesnt let me to install anything Oct 28 10:38:10 and when im trying to remove it through dpkg,it says Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. Oct 28 10:38:24 but reinstalling is imposible Oct 28 10:38:38 how can i remove this shit? Oct 28 10:46:48 pastebin.com/H0YE3mQD Oct 28 10:48:34 beecon, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postrm and pastebin it Oct 28 10:49:48 hey muhammad, i like u so much.ok ill do this Oct 28 10:54:13 mohammadag: here it is pastebin.com/YQrMScCE Oct 28 10:56:13 that should work fine, something's wrong with your busybox Oct 28 10:56:27 edit the file and remove the "-e" though it should work as is Oct 28 10:57:06 which -e? Oct 28 10:58:26 mohammadag: i did it.also tried dpkg --remove --force-remove-reinstreq but didnt work. Oct 28 10:58:31 /bin/sh -e Oct 28 10:59:46 well i did it. didn't work Oct 28 11:02:01 mohammadag : i just want to remove it to fix the dpkg. isn't this possible to do this by hand and manually? Oct 28 11:02:25 beecon, well if you want, remove the file all in all Oct 28 11:02:36 rm /var/lib/dpkg/info/samba-common.postrm Oct 28 11:07:32 tnx mohammadag. Oct 28 11:34:52 fhyper Oct 28 11:45:29 fsckng samba, we had this before Oct 28 13:08:45 Hokay - device is with UPS now. Oct 28 13:21:01 MohammadAG: kicked some more lazy arses today, at customs/DHL? Oct 28 13:22:49 Hello Oct 28 13:32:37 ~seen javispedro Oct 28 13:32:44 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/contributor/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #harmattan, 1d 13h 53m 56s ago, saying: 'or $800..'. Oct 28 13:35:07 I should probably ask javispedro, but does anyone in here have experience with SDL_gles? I'm getting a EGL_BAD_CONFIG error on SDL_GLES_MakeCurrent Oct 28 13:36:51 hi there, anyone knows/ can suggest where I can get detailed info on the NFC kernel driver , nfc hal, lib, tools, for the linux on Nokia N9 ? Oct 28 13:38:40 Isn't this the wrong channel for that? You probably have a better chance in #harmattan (but I might be wrong, I'm very confused on exactly what it is the N9 is running) Oct 28 13:42:19 as i 've read on Wiki, 'it technically running an instance of MeeGoo, and Harmattan is a Maemo 6 .. Oct 28 13:42:31 at least as far as I read this on wiki for N9 .. Oct 28 13:42:55 #meego then? Oct 28 13:43:16 how would meego have kernel information ? Oct 28 13:43:23 from what I understand its a Qt layer Oct 28 13:43:34 It's a full blown linux os Oct 28 13:43:55 With all kinds of proprietary security stuff added onto it Oct 28 13:44:19 i see Oct 28 13:44:23 But like I said, I might be wrong :) Oct 28 13:44:33 there is a chance you are Oct 28 13:44:34 :) Oct 28 13:44:37 b00^portal, dpkg -l | grep nfc Oct 28 13:44:37 DocScrutinizer is probably the one with the answers here Oct 28 13:44:51 at least i got my /bin/sh, and got excited that its a linux kernel.. Oct 28 13:44:52 o.O ? Oct 28 13:45:27 sdl_gles? NFC Oct 28 13:45:38 rlinfati, 1 sec .. Oct 28 13:45:47 By which I mean you know a lot more about N9 and meego/maemo/harmattan/whatever they call it nowadays and can probably help b00^portal better Oct 28 13:46:34 Didn't mean about sdl_gles, that was a general call for help. If nobody replies to that I'll just wait for javispedro to show up Oct 28 13:46:52 N9(50) runs meego-harmattan which actually is maemo with a meego "skin" Oct 28 13:47:35 and yes, N9-NFC related questions are best asked in #harmattan Oct 28 13:47:36 crap how to I get the | on that kb :) Oct 28 13:47:58 DocScrutinizer, i'm asking at #harmattan too Oct 28 13:49:08 rlinfati, yep, ok, i didnt think dpkg was installed on the phone at all Oct 28 13:49:45 b00^portal: you won't find a single user who knows anything about N9 NFC, is available here and not listening at #harmattan Oct 28 13:49:55 maemo6 is debian-based, also is apt Oct 28 13:50:38 yea, i'm just more used to non-upgradable systems, where pkg management is removed :) Oct 28 13:50:40 bad thinking .. Oct 28 14:19:41 DocScrutinizer, weekends start today for Israel Oct 28 14:20:06 :nod: Oct 28 14:20:37 not that my N9 adventure is any better, no answer from Quim nor from Ronan, at all Oct 28 14:20:54 I mailed Quim 2 day ago, no answer Oct 28 14:21:12 Corsac: He went to the Qt dev days. Oct 28 14:21:27 Corsac: So don't expect an answer this week. Oct 28 14:21:33 right, so you guys have some internal Nokia contacts ? >:P Oct 28 14:21:49 X-Fade: good point Oct 28 16:05:37 time to release libconnui-dev-0.1 :) Oct 28 16:05:48 and operator-name-cbs-widget-0.1 Oct 28 16:06:10 libconnui-dev-0.1 covers some of the most interesting functions in libconnui and libconnui_cell Oct 28 16:08:32 hopefully I can turn libconnui-dev into a package worthy of the repos Oct 28 16:10:31 anyone know who is in charge of deciding what goes into the cssu? Oct 28 16:19:34 jonwil: What does it do? :) Oct 28 16:20:29 libconnui-dev is a set of reverse engineered headers for the closed-source libconnui and libconnui_cell libraries Oct 28 16:21:29 And what do those do? :) Oct 28 16:21:59 jonwil, join #maemo-ssu Oct 28 16:24:36 these libraries are used by (among other things) the operator name widget, the cell signal strength widget, the wifi signal strength widget, the thing where you select your wifi network, the control panel for phone settings and a bunch more Oct 28 17:18:13 DocScrutinizer: don't see anything wrong with it, either way, it is a widget, so it can be optional Oct 28 17:18:36 err, it's replacing the stock operator-name widget Oct 28 17:18:56 and it's *cough* patching libsms.so binary ;-D Oct 28 17:19:03 qwerty12 did one that was optional Oct 28 17:19:05 ah Oct 28 17:19:28 Samsung Galaxy Note review what we wanted from the N900 but it's just a joke Oct 28 17:19:39 what is? Oct 28 17:19:42 which is the point where I think it shoukd go to CSSU Oct 28 17:19:43 The operating system Oct 28 17:20:05 hey people are talking? Oct 28 17:20:08 the binary patch got "evaluated" on my everyday phone since several months now Oct 28 17:20:15 What's the best thing since sliced bread? Oct 28 17:20:21 Sliced bread with Ice Cream Oct 28 17:20:27 yigal: if the question was, "what is the operating system of the samsung galaxy note?", the answer is, some stupid Android version Oct 28 17:20:30 and that's how Ice Cream Sandwich was born Oct 28 17:20:34 * MohammadAG runs again Oct 28 17:20:37 javispedro: Could you help me out a bit with SDL_gles? I'm getting a EGL_BAD_CONFIG error on SDL_GLES_MakeCurrent Oct 28 17:20:45 javispedro: no, not the question Oct 28 17:20:49 ErwinJunge: pass the code Oct 28 17:21:01 ErwinJunge: or a small sample, or all calls to SDL_GLES you are doing before Oct 28 17:21:12 Coming up Oct 28 17:21:34 also, you are getting the error via SDL_GetError()? Oct 28 17:21:44 yes Oct 28 17:23:03 and what does the entire message say? Oct 28 17:23:39 maybe you are not calling SDL_GLES_CreateContext? Oct 28 17:23:44 EGL failed to create a window surface: EGL_BAD_CONFIG Oct 28 17:23:54 Yes I am, right above it :) That actually returns fine. Oct 28 17:26:10 how dull Oct 28 17:26:30 what a guy.. Oct 28 17:27:22 javispedro: I've cut out most of the app specific code, but these are all the SDL/SDL_GLES calls that are called (in this order) before failure. http://pastebin.com/XR65CJbV Oct 28 17:28:00 javispedro: ?? Oct 28 17:28:25 DocScrutinizer: did you understand above? Oct 28 17:28:32 nope Oct 28 17:29:04 aah, yigal left, uttering "how dull"? yeah, weird Oct 28 17:31:03 ErwinJunge: I am sure the problem lies in the size calls; if you comment out the four it'll work. Oct 28 17:31:05 javispedro: probably joined wrong chan Oct 28 17:31:15 ErwinJunge: which special color/alpha size requeriments you have? Oct 28 17:31:46 ErwinJunge: also, if you really need alpha output (why?) maemo will only do that if you set 32bpp as the windows' depth (in the later SDL_SetVideoMode call) Oct 28 17:32:05 the size calls only define rgb565 (so alpha = 0) Oct 28 17:32:05 (and it will be über slow) Oct 28 17:32:12 ErwinJunge: then you can remove them just fine Oct 28 17:32:49 ErwinJunge: there was a bug in the driver documented somewhere in bugs.maemo.org that if you specificy a too restrictive set of parameters for configuration search driver will do "funny things" Oct 28 17:33:10 possibly https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9335 Oct 28 17:33:11 04Bug 9335: egl fb config attributes support broken (doesnt follow egl spec at any rate). Oct 28 17:33:44 Recompiling now, will let you know what happens Oct 28 17:33:53 ErwinJunge: but on Maemo, if you just remove those constraints driver will just select rgb565 so it should work Oct 28 17:34:14 Clear Oct 28 17:43:58 javispedro: It works now, thanks. Well, "works" isn't very accurate, but the error is gone ;) Oct 28 19:29:05 hmm there was a youtube video about someone connecting a sennheiser mic into the n900 via the audio/ video cable, but can't find it anymore Oct 28 19:35:00 just plug it in Oct 28 19:36:17 if it has iphone pinout it wont work Oct 28 19:41:22 I would use the vid for orientation Oct 28 19:42:24 my n900 as hand recorder http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/h4/ Oct 28 19:54:52 haven't googled it, thought i'd ask here 1st. can i do a hard reset on my nokia n900 with winxp 64bit? Oct 28 19:55:05 <_trine> n900 phones seem to be going cheap on Ebay Oct 28 20:15:48 MohammadAG, ping Oct 28 20:15:58 is it confirmed that n9 doesnt have fm tx antenna, like n950? Oct 28 20:30:35 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezzTusd1Kus&feature=player_embedded#! - nice fake n9 with meego anna win7 UIS in the same tie =) Oct 28 20:32:05 well, vmware guys were doing something around phone virtualisation Oct 28 22:11:55 blah Oct 28 22:19:17 tuho: "confirmed", like from some random guy at irc? :) Oct 28 22:45:08 Hello, my is: Oct 28 22:45:25 Oct 28 22:45:43 m( Oct 28 22:46:19 drifter: what? Oct 28 22:46:52 nothing... Oct 28 22:47:09 Ok, good night then. Oct 28 22:47:19 ... Oct 28 23:06:55 this reminds me that #maemo is soon to surpass #meego again in users, talk about weird stuff. Oct 28 23:07:25 Barking mad. Oct 28 23:08:15 ZogG, pong Oct 28 23:08:55 javispedro, my N950 may be arriving this year after all, start working on that library :p Oct 28 23:09:07 you got your machine gun? Oct 28 23:09:17 nah, better Oct 28 23:09:19 a car with gas Oct 28 23:09:25 omg Oct 28 23:09:57 but how are you planning to leave the car before crashing it into the post office? Oct 28 23:10:15 javispedro, http://i.imgur.com/yoo37.gif should give an idea Oct 28 23:10:52 for some reason (don't ask) I was hearing "trololo" song Oct 28 23:10:59 matches nicely with the gif Oct 28 23:11:30 nah nah nah nah.. Oct 29 01:13:01 trololo song? youtube link please :-D Oct 29 01:14:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSOqUswBfMs Oct 29 01:38:18 that's not trololo, this is trololo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z4m4lnjxkY :D Oct 29 02:14:51 'Some highlights of Marco’s presentation: - Nokia Store now offers more than 900,000 apps.' Oct 29 02:15:12 I guess this is counting an app on a hundred near-identical phones a hundred times? Oct 29 02:35:14 SpeedEvil, and all of those blog links? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Oct 29 02:59:56 2011