**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 29 02:59:56 2011 Oct 29 08:52:01 guys...why is there no git in the repos? or am I missing yet another one Oct 29 11:13:57 hi Oct 29 11:14:05 my lockscreen seems to not work Oct 29 11:15:47 standard one or that qt based? Oct 29 11:20:13 psycho_oreos: either of them Oct 29 11:20:24 the screen and keys are just not getting locked Oct 29 11:20:59 kakashi__, weird, my guess is that there's a program preventing that from happening, or even potentially with a setting Oct 29 11:21:08 have you tried to lock screen manually? Oct 29 11:21:12 yes, Oct 29 11:21:20 I have, the thing is nothing works Oct 29 11:21:56 actually I apt-get removed most of the lockscreen applications Oct 29 11:22:03 try to recall what you did last that could have potentially caused this to happen Oct 29 11:22:10 simply because there were clashes Oct 29 11:22:29 what is the main application which locks the screen? Oct 29 11:23:55 psycho_oreos: any idea what triggers screen lock Oct 29 11:23:58 I wouldn't know that off the top of my head but I can do a check I suppose Oct 29 11:24:30 please Oct 29 11:25:08 psycho_oreos: <3 Oct 29 11:32:50 * jonwil is very pleased about the performance/functionality of his replacement operator name widget with Cell Broadcast SMS functionality Oct 29 11:32:54 hmm no luck, thought I could find the process easily Oct 29 11:33:31 hmm Oct 29 11:33:50 jonwil: ? Oct 29 11:34:03 I ran another test today and its working pretty good Oct 29 11:34:14 psycho_oreos: checked ps while locked via ssh? find / -name lock? Oct 29 11:34:20 The way the stock lockscreen works is that MCE sends a message over dbus to the systemui daemon Oct 29 11:34:33 and then one of the plugins for that daemon actually implements the lockscreen Oct 29 11:34:52 well there you go. Oct 29 11:35:50 there is libsystemuiplugin_devlock.so which I think is the screen lock Oct 29 11:36:00 and libsystemuiplugin_tklock which is the slide-to-unlock Oct 29 11:36:07 devlock being the keycode lock I think Oct 29 11:36:13 aha Oct 29 11:36:39 AlmightyOatmeal, I checked ps, top, htop. I've even checked the contents of power menu (because mine is hacked and I do recall lock screen function was mentioned, so I thought it would directly call the binary. Contrary to all that it doesn't) Oct 29 11:37:12 the power key menu also seems to be a systemui plugin Oct 29 11:37:24 libsystemuiplugin_power_key_menu.so Oct 29 11:38:33 ahh, I was trying to look for the binary osso-powerup-shutdown which doesn't exist Oct 29 11:38:40 how do reinstall these Oct 29 11:38:42 yeah that does explain it Oct 29 11:39:48 yeah I can confirm that tklock is the slide-to-unlock Oct 29 11:40:08 I posted enough information for someone to replace the tklock plugin to the mailing list a while back Oct 29 11:42:38 * psycho_oreos is searching for the deb file containing that shared object Oct 29 11:44:14 psycho_oreos: thanks a lot man Oct 29 11:47:35 try osso-systemui, osso-systemui-actingdead, osso-systemui-alarm, osso-systemui-conf, osso-systemui-devlock, osso-systemui-emergency, osso-systemui-modechange, osso-systemui-powerkeymenu, osso-systemui-splashscreen and osso-systemui-tklock Oct 29 11:47:50 Those are the packages for the systemui stuff Oct 29 11:48:24 hmm Oct 29 11:48:26 osso-systemui-tklock seems like the answer Oct 29 11:48:53 osso-systemui-powerkeymenu Oct 29 11:48:59 will check in a couple of mins Oct 29 11:49:10 yeah those are all the plugins you need for that Oct 29 11:49:14 Its a pitty its all closed :( Oct 29 11:49:33 heh thanks to jonwil for posting that, or otherwise the searching would have taken longer, even with my custom oneliner script Oct 29 11:50:04 I have a n900 filesystem dump on my disk Oct 29 11:50:13 and regularly do full text searches of either the whole tree Oct 29 11:50:22 or another folder I have containing just the ELF binaries Oct 29 11:50:51 the latter being for when I want to find "everything that links to blah.so" or "everything that calls blah" Oct 29 11:51:31 I don't have a setup like that heh, I'm pretty much using SSH and scripting away sometimes with even oneliner commands Oct 29 11:51:47 like this: for i in `dpkg -l osso-systemui*| grep ii| awk '{ print $2 }'`; do echo "----------------" && echo $i && echo "---------------------" && dpkg -L $i| grep libsystemuiplugin_power_key_menu.so; done Oct 29 12:00:27 jonwil, Re: cell broadcast SMS, does that tell you the cell tower name? or something else I'm gathering? Oct 29 12:00:44 it will display any tower name the tower is sending on channel 50 Oct 29 12:00:49 not all networks send those messages Oct 29 12:01:33 hmm I'm tempted to give that a try on mine, I'm with crazy johns which is part of VHA Oct 29 12:02:00 Hello Oct 29 12:02:23 hi Oct 29 12:03:02 Are you guys hard core n900 users? :) or n9 users? Oct 29 12:03:21 :P Oct 29 12:03:32 Because meego is like a cross between meego and maemo Oct 29 12:03:40 n9 users mainly lurk in #harmattan :þ along with `special' n950 users Oct 29 12:03:44 I mean harmattan * Oct 29 12:03:57 Hehe fair enough Oct 29 12:04:03 and here comes that age old debate again about harmattan Oct 29 12:04:13 btw. have you seen nokia lumia Oct 29 12:04:30 yeah, its rubbish Oct 29 12:04:36 why Oct 29 12:04:39 Nah , sort of . Not interested by wp7 Oct 29 12:04:50 wp7 may pick up Oct 29 12:05:01 ms can spend a lot on marketing Oct 29 12:05:22 I think what I will do for the cell broadcast SMS stuff is to add a full set of logging (and a control panel option to turn on/off said logging) Oct 29 12:05:24 They should have given some phones out to celebrities first Oct 29 12:05:26 and then turn the logging on Oct 29 12:05:29 1) its not linux, 2) it's design is similar to N9 which is a further attempt to mock N9, 3) the windows logo look ghey, period Oct 29 12:05:43 and run a huge test passing through as many different cells as possible Oct 29 12:05:47 to catch a nice big log Oct 29 12:06:19 which will tell me if what I am getting in the logs match up what I should be seeing Oct 29 12:06:53 and I couldn't care less if wp7/mango picks up the market or if it dominated/superseded iOS/android Oct 29 12:07:18 what's wp7/mango ? Oct 29 12:07:40 wp7 = windows phone 7, mango = some prototype naming used for wp8 probably Oct 29 12:07:46 something you shouldn't speak of here Oct 29 12:07:51 exactly Oct 29 12:07:58 I thought mango was 7.5 though Oct 29 12:08:07 nfi :) I couldn't care less like I said Oct 29 12:08:09 yeah mango is 7.5 Oct 29 12:08:18 I refuse to use Windows Phone Oct 29 12:08:22 same here Oct 29 12:08:26 oh, so its possible to get bluescreens on phones now as well? Oct 29 12:08:49 I thought they replaced the useful info with a :( Oct 29 12:08:51 and in the time of need, you get a bsod on a phone.. very handy indeed :) Oct 29 12:09:36 maybe it'll be no longer an excuse to come to work late when your alarm clock fails to wake you up because it has bsod and you're running failphone.. err winphone Oct 29 12:09:49 no one will ever came up with something better than this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Meditation#Commercially_available_guru_error_handler_on_the_old_Amiga_os Oct 29 12:11:07 <_trine> maybe it should be called mangeo Oct 29 12:11:18 mongo Oct 29 12:12:26 <_trine> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mange Oct 29 12:12:34 <_trine> mangeo Oct 29 12:14:09 thanks a jonwil and psycho_oreos it the lockscreen works now Oct 29 12:17:47 the only problem that I have is, the qtlockscreen after locking the screen, when the powerbutton is pressed, it just shows the the qtlockscreen theme and gets back - I didn't even need to click anything Oct 29 12:17:51 can this be stopped? Oct 29 12:18:57 powerkey menu probably missing? though I thought you got rid of that Oct 29 12:20:29 psycho_oreos: I insalled osso-systemui-tklock Oct 29 12:20:40 and it solved the issue of locking the screen Oct 29 12:21:06 kakashi__, I meant qtlockscreen Oct 29 12:22:24 psycho_oreos: I did, but I reinstalled it just now Oct 29 12:22:48 psycho_oreos: what is better? qtlockscreen or enhanced lockscreen Oct 29 12:23:09 kakashi__, well I don't have any experience with qtlockscreen, I'm only using the standard lockscreen Oct 29 12:24:11 someone should write a proper lockscreen replacement that genuinely replaces the standard lockscreen :) Oct 29 12:24:37 * kakashi__ nods Oct 29 12:24:46 actually I hate the native lockscreen module Oct 29 12:25:03 I posted all the information required to do that to the mailing list before Oct 29 12:25:26 jonwil: link please Oct 29 12:27:04 http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-July/028472.html Oct 29 12:27:30 Thats all the technical info someone with the right programming skills would need to know Oct 29 12:34:43 Hey again Oct 29 12:35:02 So any of you got a n9 yet? Oct 29 12:35:10 strannik1: #n9 Oct 29 12:35:31 seriously? another channel? Oct 29 12:35:40 But n9 is maemo+qt Oct 29 12:35:42 yup Oct 29 12:35:50 we never had #n900 #maemo5 #fremantle Oct 29 12:36:00 #meego #harmattan #maemo are enough Oct 29 12:36:07 Grr , i hate how the community is splitting appart Oct 29 12:36:16 MohammadAG: see the topic in #harmattan Oct 29 12:36:25 #N9 is end user support apparently Oct 29 12:36:33 hiemanshu, doesn't change the fact it's another channel Oct 29 12:36:54 and I thought #harmattan was channel for N9/N950 Oct 29 12:37:31 MohammadAG: we also never had #maemo users asking "how would I install nosmoke.exe to N9?" Oct 29 12:37:37 #harmattan is a dev channel Oct 29 12:37:47 no one said that Oct 29 12:37:59 see the /topic :P Oct 29 12:38:05 Yea so do the n950 people get their own channel? Oct 29 12:38:06 * Topic for #harmattan is: A place for harmattan device and development discussion Oct 29 12:38:12 Device AND Development Oct 29 12:38:18 strannik1, I hope not Oct 29 12:38:33 yeah, and end user is in #N9 Oct 29 12:38:40 WHY?! Oct 29 12:38:58 the end user has a device Oct 29 12:39:04 #harmattan's the place for that Oct 29 12:39:12 I didn't do it, don't blame/ask me :D Oct 29 12:39:14 to keep #harmattan focused on harmattan development ? Oct 29 12:39:21 why? Oct 29 12:39:29 it's not like we're a team of 24/7 elite hackers Oct 29 12:40:37 What if i managed to delete the qt, and other harmattan components of an n9 Oct 29 12:40:47 Turning it into a pseudo maemo device Oct 29 12:40:56 Where would i talk about that? Oct 29 12:41:02 you cant Oct 29 12:41:05 In the pseudo maemo # channel? Oct 29 12:41:05 sure not, but 5 "normal" users in a vivid discussion about the benefits and cons of magenta case might well reduce the S/N of #harmattan to a point where the rather complex themes of harmattan (system) development become umbearable to follow Oct 29 12:41:45 strannik1: that's a topic that Oct 29 12:41:53 's ok for #armattan Oct 29 12:42:01 #harmattan even Oct 29 12:42:30 to my mind, #harmattan should be for dev and technical discussion of the N9/N950, #maemo should be for dev and technical discussion of the N900, #meego-arm should be for discussion of pure meego on all 3 devices and #n9 should be for people who just bought a N9 and want to talk about it Oct 29 12:42:51 exactly Oct 29 12:43:04 Ok fair enough .. Makes sense Oct 29 12:43:42 and we're not strict about it, just a rule of thumb to get the most out of IRC for everybody Oct 29 12:43:45 more like #maemo should be for dev and technical discussion of maemo devices (N900, N810, N800 and 770) Oct 29 12:43:46 MohammadAG: now please, *WHY* it :P Oct 29 12:44:12 psycho_oreos: god point Oct 29 12:44:18 good* Oct 29 12:44:38 I was just a little a put off when i joined #meego and people wouldnt talk about harmattan. I think meego, harmattan and maemo can all profit from each other Oct 29 12:44:50 even the its relatively minor point update to jonwil's initial point Oct 29 12:45:08 strannik1: no, more often than not they tend to interfere Oct 29 12:45:50 harmattan fyi is quite different to meego, in terms of package management difference being a major point Oct 29 12:45:55 the answer to s simple question can be completely different depending on whether you ask it in #maemo, #harmattan, or #meego(-arm) Oct 29 12:46:55 This is a problem with linux unix operating systems in general Oct 29 12:46:57 and include #maemo-ssu if you're using CSSU Oct 29 12:47:14 Even though packages would have changed between similair distros Oct 29 12:47:24 and users *never* place a [context: harmattan] tag at head of the questions they ask Oct 29 12:47:53 ... Actually true , the channels are good as they are Oct 29 12:47:55 then what's #maemo-dev for? Oct 29 12:47:58 off topic? Oct 29 12:48:19 #maemo-dev been dead for > 1 year Oct 29 12:48:22 I thought that was dead heh Oct 29 12:49:11 dunno about #mer Oct 29 12:49:58 #n9 /topic: >>N9 users meet here to chat about screen protectors, best offers, flashing, hippest apps etc. Basically all the things that are not development related. Developers will want to join #harmattan.<< Oct 29 12:50:30 any critics? Oct 29 12:50:43 the trouble is finding the correct context to vent out your questions - there should an wiki-page about different channels and their topics for easy integration to the community Oct 29 12:51:00 +correct Oct 29 12:51:01 ack Oct 29 12:51:06 grep Oct 29 12:51:30 awk Oct 29 12:51:37 for now it's more like a "linked list" of topics Oct 29 12:52:44 if your IRC client doesn't show topic by default, you might feel like it's a bit cumbersome :-D Oct 29 12:54:30 <_trine> is there any other phone with similar or better specs that runs linux in a similar way to the N900 Oct 29 12:54:44 far less activity in #n9 compared to #harmattan, I wonder how long would new n9 owners last in #n9 before finding out the boredom of idling in there before joining #harmattan Oct 29 12:56:43 N900 is not a phone Oct 29 12:56:58 There is no spoon Oct 29 12:57:07 There is no phone Oct 29 12:57:46 <_trine> psycho_oreos, oh no I forgot its something stick up your bum hoping it vibrates now and again Oct 29 12:58:11 <_trine> of course its a phone and other things too Oct 29 12:58:17 DocScrutinizer: I'd like to investigate prior opening dozens of channels that _could_ be related x) Oct 29 12:58:20 _trine, if you find N900 useful for that purposes then by all means do it Oct 29 12:58:31 s/purposes/purpose/ Oct 29 12:58:32 psycho_oreos meant: _trine, if you find N900 useful for that purpose then by all means do it Oct 29 12:58:59 <_trine> psycho_oreos, can you provide one of your written guides as to the best way to do it? Oct 29 12:59:47 _trine, I was pointing that towards you, don't try to push that back onto me for I have better uses with N900 rather than sticking up into a cavity space Oct 29 13:00:42 <_trine> psycho_oreos, and its clear you have personal experiences to might like to share with the rest of us Oct 29 13:01:01 _trine, look who is talking Oct 29 13:01:10 <_trine> we're not homophobic here feel free Oct 29 13:01:14 <_trine> :) Oct 29 13:01:24 _trine: quit being a douche, you're embarassing yourself. Oct 29 13:01:45 <_trine> AlmightyOatmeal, sticking up for your friend now are you Oct 29 13:01:51 <_trine> he started it Oct 29 13:02:15 i read the backlog, you started it. and i don't know psycho_oreos, but i'm sick of your sick banter. Oct 29 13:02:18 <_trine> is life gettting too tough when he starts it and bites off more than he can chew Oct 29 13:02:20 _trine, I didn't start the topic of shoving it up into one's cavity and using it as a vibrator. You're the one that referred it Oct 29 13:02:31 psycho_oreos: #n9 is 24h old, and N9 sales just started, not even all devels got a N9 yet. And boredom on #N9 depends on the users joining it. We seen similar parallel chans for devel/end-user for several other projects and usually everybody's fine with it and the end-user channels see a hype after some time, for some time, while the devel chan starts earlier, sustains a lower lever of users, but this for a longer time Oct 29 13:02:46 psycho_oreos: don't feed the trolls, their hunger is relentless. Oct 29 13:02:53 <_trine> psycho_oreos, I asked a reasonable question and you decided to get smart Oct 29 13:03:09 _trine: stop acting like a spoiled child. Oct 29 13:03:10 <_trine> so that makes you a smart arse Oct 29 13:03:23 which didn't give you the right to act immature. Oct 29 13:03:28 so stop. Oct 29 13:03:41 <_trine> AlmightyOatmeal, if you have nothing to add please just be quiet Oct 29 13:03:59 other projects missed the end-user chan and the hype from end-users basically killed off all devel activity leaving the chan in a zombie state after end-users bewildered devels and then end users also went on Oct 29 13:04:04 blech - kindergarden day @ #maemo Oct 29 13:04:06 <_trine> I asked a reasonable question which required if anything a reasonable answer Oct 29 13:04:09 DocScrutinizer, *shrug* I guess time will tell though, it just seems as though #n9 is pretty dead despite the fact that I'm sure there's plenty of n9 owners out there, maybe even ex-n900 owners now with n9 Oct 29 13:04:11 jabis: indeed Oct 29 13:04:27 trumee: you're acting unreasonably immature, you don't deserve a reasonable answer. behave or leave. Oct 29 13:04:30 oops Oct 29 13:04:43 <_trine> my reasonable question which started the shite from psycho_oreos was Oct 29 13:04:44 _trine: you're acting unreasonably immature, you don't deserve a reasonable answer. behave or leave. Oct 29 13:04:47 psycho_oreos: again: #n9 is 24h old and never been publically announced Oct 29 13:04:51 <_trine> is there any other phone with similar or better specs that runs linux in a similar way to the N900 Oct 29 13:05:08 <_trine> now why should that illicit crap from psycho_oreos Oct 29 13:05:15 AlmightyOatmeal, its amazing to see such prejudice amongst some people thinking a simple correction could overstate one's stance is being a smartarse Oct 29 13:05:33 psycho_oreos: people are amusing aren't they? Oct 29 13:05:49 AlmightyOatmeal, the world is never short of surprises Oct 29 13:06:34 psycho_oreos: indeed. i stopped asking the key question 'why' a long long time ago. seems stupidity is contageous and if i tried to figure them out i would surely fall ill Oct 29 13:06:58 <_trine> I have mentioned it before on this channel its full of kids with kids mentality Oct 29 13:07:10 _trine: and you are one to speak, HA Oct 29 13:07:40 you're throwing a childish tantrum because you didn't get what you wanted because you were acting like a dick. how are you not surprised by the response you're getting due to your conduct? Oct 29 13:08:06 * DocScrutinizer ponders 3 nice +q Oct 29 13:08:08 AlmightyOatmeal, inevitable really. The level of stupidity in certain entities just cannot be measured Oct 29 13:08:13 DocScrutinizer: i second that. Oct 29 13:08:20 <_trine> AlmightyOatmeal, I am not bothered about not getting an answer but stupidity form psycho_oreos will get answered Oct 29 13:08:22 in other words: please stop it now Oct 29 13:08:44 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, your at fault to by allowing it to go on Oct 29 13:08:45 psycho_oreos: my heart grows sad.. Oct 29 13:09:09 that can get fixed Oct 29 13:09:24 <_trine> DocScrutinizer, you should not allow comments to be made when a reasonable question was asked Oct 29 13:09:37 ty Oct 29 13:09:59 i feel a sense of serenity once again Oct 29 13:16:32 * jabis enjoys the silence Oct 29 13:42:19 hmmm, I have a string suspicion my operator widget is leaking memory Oct 29 13:42:44 I think nowadays there is valgrind for ARM :) Oct 29 13:42:56 hmmm yeah Oct 29 13:42:58 valgrind could help Oct 29 13:43:15 dunno if someone compiled it for fremantle Oct 29 13:43:25 I think I've seen it for harmattan though Oct 29 13:43:56 valgrind is in tools Oct 29 13:44:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/valgrind Oct 29 13:45:37 http://maemo.org/packages/view/valgrind/ Oct 29 13:45:51 http://maemo.org/packages/view/valgrind-3.6.0/ Oct 29 13:47:14 great Oct 29 13:48:45 I think finally figuring out all these connui functions has inspired me to dig deeper into reverse engineering the beast that is Fremantle :) Oct 29 13:49:42 Just not sure what to tackle next... Oct 29 13:49:45 :-D Oct 29 13:49:55 MohammadAG, ping Oct 29 13:50:05 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Oct 29 13:50:49 hello Oct 29 13:51:28 found a n9 for 470 Oct 29 13:51:29 ZogG, pong Oct 29 13:51:41 if anyone has any specific closed source bits that would be worth reverse engineering, tell me about it :) Oct 29 13:51:42 should i pull the trigger? Oct 29 13:52:13 n9 for 470 euro Oct 29 13:52:50 i remember there were few guys from Israel here? anyone remember who is it? Oct 29 13:53:27 i was, and they crucified me :( Oct 29 13:53:40 =) Oct 29 13:54:23 cityLights and someone Oct 29 13:54:37 I can't remember who, but a grep for red / bezeqint will help Oct 29 14:02:02 MohammadAG: i don't have all logs Oct 29 14:02:03 can N900 take 2.1 amps from a charger? Oct 29 14:02:23 MohammadAG: anyway i'll PM you about your n950 Oct 29 14:02:52 ie, iPad chargers Oct 29 14:03:58 jesuschrist: 16G? Oct 29 14:04:09 \6 Oct 29 14:04:11 yeah Oct 29 14:04:13 16gb Oct 29 14:04:44 what do you think about the price Corsac? Oct 29 14:07:13 luke-jr; as long as it's a dc voltage regulated 5V powersupply, it doesn't matter if it says 9000 amps on it Oct 29 14:07:28 ShadowJK: k Oct 29 14:07:31 as long as it's at least 0.5 Amp Oct 29 14:07:42 actually, weird thing recently: I was charging on a MBP and both it and N900 rebooted x.x Oct 29 14:08:11 ShadowJK: also, happen to know what the max amps N900 will /take advantage of/? Oct 29 14:08:28 about 0.95 Oct 29 14:08:34 oh? :/ Oct 29 14:08:47 I thought the stock charger did 1.5, and it can't even use that? :| Oct 29 14:09:22 hrm - something wrong with my usb-port - N9 says too weak to charge Oct 29 14:10:02 people actually bought N9? O.o Oct 29 14:10:27 jabis: might be the N9 and not the USB port, I have that problem too sometimes Oct 29 14:10:41 could try closing stuff Oct 29 14:11:04 yes, we did :o Oct 29 14:11:10 luke-jr: no way Oct 29 14:11:24 ahh, ShadowJK picked it up Oct 29 14:11:26 there isn't anything running :) just noticed it a few minutes ago (battery died during the night) that it's not charging Oct 29 14:11:33 techically you can program the charger chip to 1.25A. However, the battery's max spec is 0.93A. I however tried it with mugen's brick battery which should be able to accept twice as much. There was alot of heat, so I stopped it. Oct 29 14:11:40 * luke-jr will never buy a keyboardless device :P Oct 29 14:12:28 ShadowJK: good to know… Oct 29 14:12:47 MohammadAG: you ignoring me ? =) Oct 29 14:12:49 anyone know if that charging script will limit to 0.93A? Oct 29 14:12:49 luke, more than keyboardless I find it a disgrace my bluetooth kbd's aren't working with it -.- Oct 29 14:13:13 s/more/more upsetting/( Oct 29 14:13:15 strange Oct 29 14:13:35 jabis: too weak to charge? please elaborate Oct 29 14:13:54 i2cset -y -m 0xff 2 0x6b 0x01 0xc8; i2cset -y -m 0xc0 2 0x6b 0x00 0x00; Oct 29 14:13:56 DocScrutinizer: yeh - says signal too weak to charge Oct 29 14:14:01 should that be safe? XD Oct 29 14:14:03 luke-jr; my charge script? Yeah it's programmed to 950mA (closest to 930, and system load will more than make up for the excess 20mA) Oct 29 14:14:18 ShadowJK: is that yours? Oct 29 14:14:27 I have no idea where I found it :x Oct 29 14:14:44 charge*.sh Oct 29 14:14:52 I just named it 'bc' on my system :P Oct 29 14:15:09 DocScrutinizer: I just changed to charging from wall outlet and it's nao happily charging Oct 29 14:15:12 luke-jr: no, it's my original draft it seems Oct 29 14:15:30 DocScrutinizer: sounds likely-- is that safe? Oct 29 14:15:34 parts of it, missing the wd tickling Oct 29 14:15:40 yes Oct 29 14:16:02 I recommend ShadowJK charge.sh though Oct 29 14:16:17 link? Oct 29 14:16:18 charge21.sh is latest Oct 29 14:16:32 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt Oct 29 14:16:46 needs i2c-tools from extras-devel Oct 29 14:17:11 I only use script on Gentoo ;) Oct 29 14:17:13 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/meegocharge.tar on "MeeGo" or modern kernel Oct 29 14:17:44 err how's kernel involved? Oct 29 14:18:13 please don't say bq27200.ko Oct 29 14:18:19 What do you think the playback quality of n900, compared with iphone4? Oct 29 14:18:36 playback of what? Oct 29 14:18:46 to what? Oct 29 14:19:00 ShadowJK: normal kernel won't work? Oct 29 14:19:11 luke-jr, I don't know what's normal Oct 29 14:19:12 sorry my poor English, I mean the audio playing quality Oct 29 14:19:20 ShadowJK: stock Maemo or power kernels? Oct 29 14:19:24 music playing quality... Oct 29 14:19:47 luke-jr: charge.sh is mostly kernel agnostic for all I can see Oct 29 14:19:58 normal maemo kernel works, I haven't tested that random pile of patches known as pk :P Oct 29 14:20:13 looks like I need to patch it to use syslog instead of non-existent MyDocs Oct 29 14:20:30 or just comment it out Oct 29 14:20:40 yoh Oct 29 14:21:12 LaoLang_cool: I think the quality of audio is rather excellent Oct 29 14:21:17 If you have the bq27xx_something modules loaded, it migt be better to take get_volt and similar from meegocharge.tar Oct 29 14:21:46 naw, it'd be better to blacklist that module ;-P Oct 29 14:21:58 jesuschrist: not too bad if it's with all taxes Oct 29 14:22:04 jesuschrist: where exactly though? Oct 29 14:22:23 DocScrutinizer: compared with iphone4 or other smart phone or mp3 device? It's too subject though :) Oct 29 14:22:38 Corsac : second hand, from a guy displeased by it Oct 29 14:22:46 2 weeks old Oct 29 14:22:51 compared to what I could figure it might be Oct 29 14:23:23 LaoLang_cool: it's just "good enough" for my hifi-enthusiast ears Oct 29 14:23:38 DocScrutinizer: hahaha, cool Oct 29 14:24:01 main factor is the headset though, as almost always Oct 29 14:24:18 the device has way higher quality than any arbitrary headphone Oct 29 14:24:45 the max volume could be higher Oct 29 14:25:32 DocScrutinizer: enough, great Oct 29 14:25:45 with my earphones, volume step 1 2 and 3 is all I need Oct 29 14:25:55 and sometimes I use alsamixer to make a 0.75 Oct 29 14:26:01 odds are you encounter sub-second dropouts on cetain system activities though. Not the hw's fault Oct 29 14:26:35 I rarely see that on BT and think I never encountered it on wired headset Oct 29 14:27:25 other users complained more, probably related to their particular set of running applets and general system config Oct 29 14:28:19 it's IO related, the media player has shit buffer management, and you get dropouts when it can't get data from emmc fast enough Oct 29 14:28:31 I get no dropouts at all over wifi, for example :P Oct 29 14:28:40 (as long as my internet isn't breaking) Oct 29 14:28:58 yeah, somewhat related to swap hell Oct 29 14:30:09 I think though it's the kswapd that runs on higher prio than PA and thus causes PA to stop working for 100..200ms when device starts heavy swapping Oct 29 14:30:13 bah, this isnt working Oct 29 14:30:31 Is it easy to write a "hello world!\n" in C on N900? I'm new for programming. cc hello.c is enough like on computer? Oct 29 14:31:08 LaoLang_cool: N900 is just a computer. Oct 29 14:31:21 LaoLang_cool: Maemo doesn't really have a (sane) compiler, though Oct 29 14:31:26 LaoLang_cool: I run Gentoo Oct 29 14:31:56 It's more related to IO scheduler being unaware of how flash behaves. While random reads can give megabytes/s, random writes are more like kilobytes/sec, and the scheduler treats them the same, so writes cause disproportionately large latency Oct 29 14:32:51 luke-jr: you run gentoo on N900? What do you mean "maemo doesn't really have a compiler"? do you mean that I can't write even the simplest "hello" program in C and compile it on N900? Oct 29 14:33:20 You could install build-essential from SDK repo, but you'll run out of diskspace really really fast. Oct 29 14:33:56 ShadowJK: sounds terrible! Oct 29 14:34:34 People write such gigantic programs they got tired of waiting on N900 to compile it, and use their PC instead Oct 29 14:34:38 to compile programs Oct 29 14:35:45 ShadowJK: no, I mean simple program in hundreds KB size... not such a big project in giga size. Oct 29 14:36:21 Well you've got 90 megs free, and build-essential probably takes half of it, so if you don't install anything else you'd probably be fine Oct 29 14:37:29 oh too bad Oct 29 14:37:35 I got the point Oct 29 14:37:40 thanks Oct 29 14:38:46 yeah it seems like compiling on-device is theoretically possible but so difficult as to be not worth the effort Oct 29 14:38:56 mostly due to the need to find enough space for all the dev packages Oct 29 14:44:44 LaoLang_cool: Maemo was designed with the expectation that you cross-compile binaries for it on another computer Oct 29 14:44:55 LaoLang_cool: I run Gentoo on the N900, yes Oct 29 14:45:12 hmm after I have my usb keybd working (via extkbd), I can't get my nokia bluetooth keybd connected anymore Oct 29 14:45:34 LaoLang_cool: usually in a chroot from Maemo Oct 29 14:45:52 it looks like extkbd is set back to my lenovo keybd after connecting the bluetooth keybd, which then disconnects Oct 29 14:45:59 after a few seconds Oct 29 15:00:42 * jonwil wishes he could thank the guy at Nokia that came up with connui_cell_net_status_register Oct 29 15:01:09 bug #303 Oct 29 15:01:11 04Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/303 Clock should allow configurable 12h/24h display Oct 29 15:11:53 Wow, 4 years to implement a 24h clock... Not sure if that was your point, but that bug report is shocking. Oct 29 15:25:00 ok, good, its now printing all the logs I need Oct 29 15:25:08 my cell broadcast widget that is Oct 29 15:25:11 cool! Oct 29 15:25:25 * ShadowJK has 24h clock on n900 Oct 29 15:25:37 from day 1! Oct 29 15:26:21 it now prints a log entry anytime the current cell name is thrown away Oct 29 15:26:33 and a log entry any time it gets a cell tower name broadcast SMS Oct 29 15:26:40 which includes both the name and the cell ID Oct 29 15:28:10 that will let me go on a odyssey either tomorrow or Monday and pass through as many cells as possible to get lots of logs of what towers I see Oct 29 15:28:46 I bet there are multiple towers (with different cell IDs) squawking the same tower name Oct 29 15:28:51 at least for some locations Oct 29 15:29:05 hmmm, maybe I should also log any time the cell tower ID changes Oct 29 15:29:19 yes lets Oct 29 15:29:21 :) Oct 29 15:32:42 final test, once this works, I plug my phone into charger and go to bed :P. Tomorrow I see what I can do about logging stuff :) Oct 29 15:33:18 Good luck! Oct 29 15:33:27 * jonwil wonders if repeatedly rebooting his phone is going to be bad for it or not Oct 29 15:34:25 test successful :) Oct 29 15:35:03 hey, is /home/user safe to write logs to (i.e. am I going to fill that space up if I keep logging too much?) Oct 29 15:35:09 reboots are "cheap" - no significan wear with it Oct 29 15:35:36 is the best way to reboot to power-off then power-on-again? Oct 29 15:35:41 or is there a better way? Oct 29 15:36:02 rebot for what purpose? Oct 29 15:37:01 reboot because I need to get the next test iteration of the cbsms widget to load Oct 29 15:37:05 and rebooting is the way to do that Oct 29 15:39:03 as for /home/user, I think its safe to write to Oct 29 15:39:17 since that's on emmc Oct 29 15:39:25 and is large enough Oct 29 15:39:38 plus if I do fill it up, its not going to stop the phone booting or running AFAIK Oct 29 15:39:46 which will let me remove the oversized log file and move on :) Oct 29 15:40:42 'reboot' Oct 29 15:40:44 the command Oct 29 15:40:56 ok, yeah that seems easier Oct 29 15:41:03 less effort Oct 29 15:41:11 and less wear and tear on the power button :P Oct 29 15:43:55 yup Oct 29 17:50:17 anybody on gpodder? Oct 29 17:50:25 are you able to sync to gpodder.net? Oct 29 21:31:04 anyone got suggestion for places shipping "Genuine" BL-5J batteries to uk Oct 29 21:31:38 orderd 2 of amazon claiming to be genuine but one i've tried only lasts 2 hours usage on fulll charge, and hologram just doesn't look right Oct 29 21:31:56 hmm Oct 29 21:32:25 better go for second soure than for fake genuine Oct 29 21:32:38 or if u use 3rd party ones Doc i'd give them ago ;P Oct 29 21:33:24 there's that incredibly awesome guy on tmo testing *all* batteries you can think of Oct 29 21:33:47 tmo ? Oct 29 21:34:23 ~tmo Oct 29 21:34:24 tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes Oct 29 21:34:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568&page=40 Oct 29 21:34:37 oh Oct 29 21:34:56 scratch the page=40 Oct 29 21:34:57 troll.maemo.org should be a cname for talk Oct 29 21:35:56 do you use genuine nokia battery in yours ? Oct 29 21:35:59 or 3rd party Oct 29 21:36:05 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65568 Oct 29 21:36:55 Imostly use "genuine" as the one is a second hand one supposedly genuine and works just fine, cost me 20% of original Oct 29 21:39:58 probably Japod from DX is highest capacity battery now Oct 29 21:40:03 not counting mugenbrick Oct 29 21:40:20 yeh was just looking at that one Oct 29 21:40:51 got another question, how does the n900 choose cell tower to connect to ? Oct 29 21:41:14 when im at the end of my road it uses a different cell tower and i get around 400KB/s average 3.5G Oct 29 21:41:25 at home its on another an di seem to get around 100KB/s Oct 29 21:41:31 is it possible to manuall change Oct 29 21:41:44 end of my road being about 200m Oct 29 21:42:08 as far as I've understood, the modem keeps tracks of towers it can hear, the operator has set thresholds for when a phone should switch Oct 29 21:42:27 HyperSnyper: no. Oct 29 21:42:30 so that would be hidden in one of the closed source areas ? Oct 29 21:42:31 ~ping Oct 29 21:42:31 ~pong Oct 29 21:42:32 So it's not possible to manually change Oct 29 21:42:32 HyperSnyper: Other than with a dish. Oct 29 21:42:34 HyperSnyper: no Oct 29 21:42:42 HyperSnyper: It's in a different processor. Oct 29 21:43:06 :/ Oct 29 21:43:07 * DocScrutinizer feels honored by http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1053809#post1053809 Oct 29 21:43:08 The whole system is kinda built around the operator having control over what tower phones talk to, too Oct 29 21:43:29 guessed so, but thought id better ask anyway Oct 29 21:43:30 :P Oct 29 21:44:21 Sometimes I used to play around with blocking the phone's signal long enough that it started searching for something else, then unblocking it, and then it'd sometimes stay on the alternative tower Oct 29 21:44:24 * SpeedEvil wonders if the n900 has the grunt to do SDR-GSM. Oct 29 21:44:28 I suspect not. Oct 29 21:44:33 ( as far as I've understood, the modem keeps tracks of towers it can hear, the operator has set thresholds for when a phone should switch) yes exactly, called C1, C2 (Criterion) Oct 29 21:44:45 You may be able to find a spot in your hose where it listens to the right tower. Oct 29 21:45:14 not really that fussed about 3.5G at home was just more of an interest in if it's possible Oct 29 21:45:47 In my house I get 3 kbyte/s in one place, and then 30cm away from that place I get 5Mbit/s Oct 29 21:45:51 on same tower Oct 29 21:45:55 ShadowJK microwave housing work for blocking ? Oct 29 21:46:03 on Nokia 6210 (et al) net monitor you had a chance to force cellmo to a certain tower Oct 29 21:46:28 http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html Oct 29 21:46:38 HyperSnyper, I used hands, and also monitored the status with my PC. not practical Oct 29 21:47:35 heh Oct 29 21:49:32 I had to block it just long enough that it decided it shoudl switch, but not so long that it would realize that signal of all other towers also went down Oct 29 21:49:36 :P Oct 29 21:51:08 grrr, these phillips earphones are driving me mad. I have to ground every gadget that has a wallwart unless I want to get shocked inside my ears Oct 29 21:51:21 ¬¬ Oct 29 21:53:04 nuke philips Oct 29 21:53:14 get a proper GSM yagi Oct 29 21:53:26 get adapter for the test socket Oct 29 21:53:38 HyperSnyper: If you like, I can ship you (2) official Nokia BL-5J batteries. One I got with my N900 and one I bought separately... both are real.legit, and I can also send you one of the extended life (forget the brand but it was the #1rated by that crazy battery testing guy)... My N900 is no workie and I had bought a bunch of spare batteries before it died... Oct 29 21:53:51 plug yagi to N900 and point at BTS you want to connect to Oct 29 21:54:39 I'd be happy to just send them to you. I have no need for them and am not looking to make any $ off of it. They are all very new (a few months old with very little use) except for the one marked #1 which came with the N900 Oct 29 21:55:29 I can msg you my email if you like... We are in the middle of a ptryy major snow stormin the North east USA and power is on and off and on and off so I may be in and or out of here shortly. Oct 29 22:00:06 (force cellmo to a BTS) forced cell reselect (display 17) Oct 29 22:01:17 http://nobbi.com/download/nmmanual.pdf p.11 >>Display 17 - BTS test<< Oct 29 22:01:25 mtnbkr-laptop will pm Oct 29 22:02:09 i think i have terrible timeouts Oct 29 22:05:34 btw I bet, though Nokia didn't care to keep the UI working, all the NetMonitor functions are *still* burried in BB5 FW Oct 29 22:06:22 and I'd *really Oct 29 22:06:49 * like to see somebody @Nokia drop by here under a pseudonym and leave some hints Oct 29 22:07:22 heh Oct 29 22:07:29 Hints, root keys of the modem, and source code dump, nothing much. Oct 29 22:07:33 * ShadowJK 'd suspect it relies on bb5 talking to a display and keypad itself Oct 29 22:07:45 SpeedEvil: LOL *cough* Oct 29 22:08:43 ShadowJK: maybe, maybe not. There'S still the generic flash filesystem that AIUI is supported under BB% as it was under basically 90% of earlier modems Oct 29 22:08:48 BB5 Oct 29 22:09:52 ShadowJK: nota bene even on 6210 the NetMonitor was accessible via F-Bus Oct 29 22:10:22 and even *needed* F-Bus (or IrDA equiv) to enable NetMon at all Oct 29 22:10:45 dont get mad, buy an iphone and be happy Oct 29 22:10:58 /kick jesuschrist Oct 29 22:11:01 :D Oct 29 22:12:05 ShadowJK: gnokii, kandy Oct 29 22:12:43 check Nobbi.com Oct 29 22:12:55 best site I ever found about that stuff Oct 29 22:17:30 I used gnokii to monitor that hand-covering stuff :P Oct 29 22:17:43 :-D Oct 29 22:18:26 so you should see the likelihood of whole NetMon available via e.g ISI interface as well Oct 29 22:19:08 netmon not available on my 6230 actually :) Oct 29 22:19:24 as ISI supports generic AT interface (somewhat, see pnatd), and all the netmonitor things were via that AT interface Oct 29 22:20:03 ShadowJK: wut? no netmon on 6230? Probably you just need to enable it Oct 29 23:07:32 where do I get the correct timezone for N900? Oct 29 23:08:34 what? Oct 29 23:08:50 well, I'm in Moscow Oct 29 23:08:53 rofl Oct 29 23:08:59 ah Oct 29 23:09:16 my mobile phone says it's 02:03 now Oct 29 23:09:18 oooh Oct 29 23:09:21 while it's really 03:03 Oct 29 23:09:27 because of timezone change Oct 29 23:09:39 does moscow go 5->4 tonight? Oct 29 23:09:45 no, 4->4 Oct 29 23:09:50 ... what Oct 29 23:09:53 poor pal, I gues medwedjev's ideas of summer time are not yet implemented in N900 Oct 29 23:09:55 instead of abandoned 4->3 Oct 29 23:10:14 yep, we're staying Summer time forever Oct 29 23:10:18 is moscow staying on summer time for.. ah Oct 29 23:11:15 So you need an updated timezone file.. guess what, unless you find someone with lots of explosives for an extended campaign of terror, Nokia will refuse to provide an updated timezone file for N900 :P Oct 29 23:11:25 yeah.. Oct 29 23:11:34 I can always scp /etc/localtime, but oh well. Oct 29 23:11:52 I imagine the amount of hassle on Monday :D Oct 29 23:11:53 maybe cssu could include timezone update :/ Oct 29 23:12:00 kinda late now though Oct 29 23:12:05 hey I can even use that for coming late to work ! Oct 29 23:12:11 lol Oct 29 23:12:12 as an excuse Oct 29 23:12:39 Hey, you could do "winter"->summer next spring again, and then skip summer->winter change, and gradually slew timezone towards gmt Oct 29 23:13:08 or um, wait, you're going the other way Oct 29 23:13:13 * ShadowJK confused Oct 29 23:13:43 yeah summer time all the time is kinda weird Oct 29 23:14:14 hey I'm not arguing my nano-president laws ;) Oct 29 23:14:30 In fact I hate Moscow's now stick to GMT+4 Oct 29 23:14:41 I think our posse here should go 2:00->22:00 in 50 minutes Oct 29 23:15:22 Some .fi politician suggested we should hop towards CET or GMT, dunno what became of that idea Oct 29 23:15:59 i'm going back to gmt+1 in an hour Oct 29 23:16:34 * ShadowJK is going to gmt+2 in 1 hour 50 Oct 29 23:22:40 whats the best way to enable 8 home screens ? Oct 29 23:22:45 instal CSSU ? Oct 29 23:22:53 yes pretty much Oct 29 23:23:47 yoh Oct 29 23:24:59 CSSU is pretty stable by now, dunno why nobody has the bollocks to fork out a stable branch and announce it as ready for primetime Oct 29 23:25:02 well installing CSSU is probably slightly less painful imo than doing it the old fashioned way. If you only wanted to have 8 homescreens and none of the improvements CSSU has included, then installing them through old fashioned way plus a bit of tinkering should work I think Oct 29 23:25:44 nobody, including nokia (whom not long ago released PR1.3.1) Oct 29 23:26:50 well cssu just makes me abit nervous as i've still not done "proper" backups yet Oct 29 23:27:07 its quite sad really, took nokia that long to realise they needed to release a security patch, but then to ignore what the community decided to do with fixes/updates with its own software they went ahead and released this minor fix without even bothering to look at pushing a major fix Oct 29 23:27:13 but i'm deffinetly going to need more home screen space soon Oct 29 23:27:28 so whats wrong with making proper backups now? Oct 29 23:27:47 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUT39op2Pp8 Oct 29 23:27:49 lazy Oct 29 23:28:01 and no microsd Oct 29 23:28:16 you don't need microsd to perform a proper backup Oct 29 23:28:52 can backup to same storage its reading from ? Oct 29 23:29:31 all it takes is to move a few things around (if your eMMC is chock-a-block full), perform the backup, and make a copy of the backup elsewhere before deleting the backup. Should the day that you need to revert your backup, you have that copy elsewhere Oct 29 23:30:11 depending on which backup you're talking about, the two backup software that I know does backup to eMMC. One does it by default, the other gives you an option with that or microSD Oct 29 23:31:02 going to install backupmenu Oct 29 23:32:32 that's the latter on I was referring to, it can backup to eMMC but it doesn't allow backing up of eMMC itself, plus (why would you need to when you can enable mass storage mode and dump it from there anyway?) it allows backing up to microsd Oct 29 23:34:02 is restoring via backupmenu safe aswell ? Oct 29 23:35:05 fairly safe, as long as you're not restoring a backup when your device is running out of power, etc Oct 29 23:35:48 same power risk when doing backups ? Oct 29 23:43:37 same obvious power risk :) there's nothing more damaging then restoring a backup when your device is running out of juice. Though the same goes as with making a backup when your device does not work or does not have the proper setup you want (e.g. broken programs, etc), as restoring it will bring them all back Oct 29 23:46:09 rsync Oct 29 23:47:43 I've tried rsync before through sshd many times before, I almost always get that reboot :) Oct 29 23:54:45 wut? Oct 29 23:55:26 it does a rsync every day here, and I never faced any problems other than an inevitable CPU load peak Oct 29 23:56:09 anyway for HyperSnyper doing a backup via backupmenu should be as painless and safe as milk Oct 29 23:56:26 im alergic to milk Oct 29 23:56:27 :x Oct 30 00:07:41 listen, backupmenu stores a proper tarball backip of / and /opt to eMMC, really nothing that could go wrong with it (except backup aborting and backup file corrupt -> fix any problem causing the abort and redo). Installing CSSU never corrupts your eMMC MyDocs data, not even your homedir. Restore, if ever needed, will restore to a freshly flashed rootfs anyway, so what could go wrong? it won't nuke the backup file on restore. And in the end Oct 30 00:07:42 doing a copy of your whole eMMC is absolutely simple via mass storage mode. No uSD needed Oct 30 00:09:42 wasnt that i don't trust u Doc, i actually am allergic to milk ;P Oct 30 00:13:28 hmmm, I wonder how this program can write to gconf without there being a valid gconf schema entry for it. Oct 30 00:14:26 which program? Oct 30 00:14:46 custom-operator-name-wdiget Oct 30 00:14:53 ummm Oct 30 00:14:56 not mine, something someone else wrote Oct 30 00:15:12 Its writing to gconf without creating a schema entry Oct 30 00:15:16 and I want to find out how :) Oct 30 00:56:37 WOW, incredible how TV EPG gets fsckd up by summer time back leap Oct 30 00:56:58 heh Oct 30 00:58:55 7 minutes to time leap :D Oct 30 00:59:02 hmm is there much demand for epg apps ? Oct 30 00:59:27 actually we have a ghost hour since 53 minutes here Oct 30 00:59:37 02A:53 Oct 30 01:00:16 prob the one area i might be able to help in, done alot of stuff for dreambox sat recievers and scrapping epg data from satellite/radiotimes :P Oct 30 01:00:59 TV programs starting during that ghost hour are hard to handle correctly in an EPG that doesn't have special means to deal with this situation Oct 30 01:01:42 actually some programs might end before they start Oct 30 01:02:17 as that'S obviously impossible, the whole EPG data is structured like there was no back leap / ghost hour Oct 30 01:02:58 but TV time now is already back to winter time, while EPG still has summer time based start and end times Oct 30 01:03:35 so I'm watching a show now that according to EPG starts in 55 minutes Oct 30 01:04:33 what you watching? :) Oct 30 01:04:45 dunno, some XXX island Oct 30 01:05:11 just watched NCIS Oct 30 01:06:11 actually I'm not interested in the program in TV, but rather in the firmware program in my TV ;-D Oct 30 01:06:24 heh Oct 30 01:06:37 s/in TV/on TV/ Oct 30 01:06:38 DocScrutinizer meant: actually I'm not interested in the program on TV, but rather in the firmware program in my TV ;-D Oct 30 01:06:44 you use satellite ? Doc ? Oct 30 01:06:49 * SpeedEvil is currently considering underclocking his refrigerator. Oct 30 01:06:57 err, DVB-T Oct 30 01:07:09 ahh Oct 30 01:08:42 underclocking fridge sounds extremely geeky Oct 30 01:09:35 VFD on the compressor to make it use less power. Oct 30 01:11:37 * nox- outs himself as the crazy guy who runs vdr on freebsd... :) Oct 30 01:11:50 (i have dvb-s2 and dvb-t) Oct 30 01:11:54 It's step 0 of the project to do the same thing on an A/C unit. Oct 30 01:29:53 hah Oct 30 01:29:57 [2011-10-30 02:59:27] just watched NCIS Oct 30 01:29:58 [2011-10-30 02:00:27] actually I'm not interested in the program in TV, bu Oct 30 01:30:56 hehe Oct 30 02:29:54 how do i change the hostname on my n900? Oct 30 02:31:01 just change the entry in /etc/hostname? Oct 30 02:34:28 I wonder if it changes if you change it in bluetooth settings Oct 30 02:41:57 ShadowJK: hmm. i haven't used the bluetooth yet Oct 30 02:42:33 hmm. it's not the exact same hostname in btooth Oct 30 02:43:20 in btooth it's 'Nokia N900' and in /etc/hostname it's 'Nokia-N900-51-1' Oct 30 02:44:03 usually on my boxes i change the hostname in /etc/hostname then run `/etc/init.d/hostname start` Oct 30 02:44:22 couldn't find 'hostname' in /etc/init.d on my n900,tho Oct 30 02:57:11 jargon-: are you trying to change your BT name or actual hostname of the device? Oct 30 02:59:25 AlmightyOatmeal: actual hostname Oct 30 02:59:49 jargon-: have you tried editing /etc/hostname and rebooting? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Oct 30 02:59:56 2011