**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 01 02:59:57 2011
Nov 01 07:07:38 <jonwil> damn, I found yet another thing that used to be available from some site but no longer exists :(
Nov 01 07:10:02 <jonwil> Looks like there existed somewhere a browser-neteal-dev package but the only links I have are broken
Nov 01 07:46:55 <jonwil> oh wow
Nov 01 07:46:58 <jonwil> https://vcs.maemo.org/svn/browser/client-server/trunk/neteal/include/neteal.h is nice
Nov 01 07:47:03 <jonwil> old but nice
Nov 01 07:55:38 <mece> jonwil, what's this now?
Nov 01 07:55:50 <jonwil> ?
Nov 01 07:56:15 <jonwil> Its a header file (MPL licensed at that) for the browser-neteal packager
Nov 01 09:51:07 <archl> hi, anybody have a custom build of meego which only run necessary phone and address book application and a pure text editor.
Nov 01 09:51:41 <arnet> better to ask on #mer
Nov 01 10:13:13 <jonwil> ~seen mr_jrt
Nov 01 10:13:18 <infobot> mr_jrt <~j@jamie-thompson.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11h 15m 13s ago, saying: 'x29a: Poking around in the vars view suggests it's that old favourite - not rebuilding/linking properly when you change class members :/ ...and a full rebuild confirms it. Grrr.'.
Nov 01 10:14:00 <kerio> isn't C++ wonderful
Nov 01 10:14:13 <x29a> heh, multihighlight
Nov 01 10:14:53 <kerio> ~seen infobot
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Nov 01 10:15:00 <kerio> oh god
Nov 01 10:15:36 <psycho_oreos> overjoyed now with bold fonts bonanza?
Nov 01 10:16:00 <psycho_oreos> :þ looks almost like stuff coming out of a flood script that script-kiddies used :þ
Nov 01 10:17:36 <x29a> i enjoy the fact, that infobot is still on #opensimpad.org
Nov 01 10:20:27 <Macer> t42? :-) 
Nov 01 10:21:12 <jonwil> I downloaded a whole pile of Symbian code in the hope it has more info on what goes on for Cell Broadcast SMS. I am beginning to wish I hadn't bothered :(
Nov 01 10:21:19 <jonwil> Its a nightmare to even look at
Nov 01 10:21:44 <Macer> are you developing for symbian?
Nov 01 10:22:15 <Macer> i dont care what people say. i am gettong an e7 :-P 
Nov 01 10:22:18 <Macer> heh
Nov 01 10:22:38 <jonwil> no, I am developing for maemo but I figured that possibly Symbian might contain code that does stuff with cell broadcast SMSs that I can use to learn what to do with different channels and thnigs
Nov 01 10:22:44 <jonwil> but I am wishing I hadn't bothered
Nov 01 10:22:46 <jonwil> its a mess of code
Nov 01 10:22:53 <jonwil> and almost impossible to find anything in
Nov 01 10:23:05 <Macer> hahaha.. the flaw of "open"
Nov 01 10:23:33 <Macer> i am guessing the maemo code didnt have anything useful?
Nov 01 10:23:43 <jonwil> nope obviously
Nov 01 10:24:04 <Macer> maybe the #meego guys can help if they didnt shoot themselves by now
Nov 01 10:24:04 <psycho_oreos> Macer, BluesLee would have wanted to talk to you.. and maybe you guys could make a symbian matchmaking couple together :þ
Nov 01 10:24:20 <Macer> haha
Nov 01 10:24:25 <jonwil> I already read the ofono code and that doesn't help
Nov 01 10:24:33 <psycho_oreos> <BluesLee> someone with an e7 here?
Nov 01 10:24:34 <Macer> hold pinkies while talking on an n8 and e7?
Nov 01 10:24:50 <psycho_oreos> oh yeah in the middle of a maemo channel
Nov 01 10:25:19 <Macer> i would laugh if blueslee was some ultra hot woman
Nov 01 10:25:23 <Macer> :-) 
Nov 01 10:25:42 <Macer> see what making fun does to your sex life? best to keep an open mind
Nov 01 10:26:02 <Macer> i am waiting for them to hit the 352 mark tho
Nov 01 10:26:05 <psycho_oreos> there's plenty of fish out there
Nov 01 10:26:09 <Macer> $350
Nov 01 10:26:24 <Macer> yeah.. and i am sure all those fish run maemo
Nov 01 10:26:31 <Macer> hahaha
Nov 01 10:27:05 <psycho_oreos> and they would all be thinking what I would be thinking if some other fish was talking about symbian in the middle of maemo channel.. a banstick
Nov 01 10:27:22 <Macer> when amazon has silver e7s for 350 im sold
Nov 01 10:27:37 <Macer> why? people used to talk about symbian all the time here
Nov 01 10:27:55 <Macer> symbian is not a bad os... just underdemanded and underdeveloped
Nov 01 10:28:16 <Macer> i can think of a couple other mobile OSes with a similar story :-P 
Nov 01 10:28:44 <psycho_oreos> there's one word to sum up talking oranges in an apple area.. OFFTOPIC
Nov 01 10:28:59 <Macer> and you are wrong... the other fish are in #iphone
Nov 01 10:29:00 <psycho_oreos> yeah sure, so whats next? discussion of wp7/mango?
Nov 01 10:29:13 <psycho_oreos> no
Nov 01 10:29:40 <Macer> traditionally discussions involving maemo have obviously brought comparison to other mobile operating systems
Nov 01 10:30:13 <psycho_oreos> it was only once in a blue moon
Nov 01 10:30:29 <Macer> you dont know what his question was going to be :-) he could have been trying develop a bootloader to put maemo on an e7
Nov 01 10:31:10 <psycho_oreos> yeah right, that's really believable
Nov 01 10:31:11 <Macer> assumption is the murder of knowledge... as is a closed mind
Nov 01 10:31:44 <psycho_oreos> its not assumption, its called pre-emptive strike with certainty
Nov 01 10:31:49 <Macer> and back in the day discussing mobile operating systems here other tjan maemo was the norm
Nov 01 10:31:56 <Macer> than
Nov 01 10:32:29 <Macer> as each had its own approach to doing things whether you agree or support them or not
Nov 01 10:32:45 <Macer> anyways.. have to go.
Nov 01 11:44:46 <fredddd> Hm, would anyone be able to guide me in a right direction regarding the following, right now I have my own mail and XMPP server setup, and I got that setup on my N900 (Maemo, CSSU). I also wish to be able to do something similar for contacts, calendar entries and task entries.
Nov 01 11:45:04 <fredddd> Being able to set something up for it on my server, to then connect to my N900.
Nov 01 12:32:43 * SpeedEvil just recieved a call from nokia care.
Nov 01 12:32:49 <jonwil> about what?
Nov 01 12:32:56 <jonwil> faulty n900?
Nov 01 12:33:10 <SpeedEvil> They got my n900, and are sending it off to repair - should be a week. But I'm probably getting an E7
Nov 01 12:33:18 <SpeedEvil> (which I'll then ebay and...)
Nov 01 12:33:25 <SpeedEvil> Down to backup n900.
Nov 01 12:33:49 <fredddd> Is there anyway I could obtain a Nokia recharger and touch pen after, breaking it, and losing it?
Nov 01 12:33:56 <fredddd> I should still have warranty.
Nov 01 12:33:59 <SpeedEvil> No.
Nov 01 12:34:01 <fredddd> I bought it in 2009 or so.
Nov 01 12:34:02 <SpeedEvil> Well - yes
Nov 01 12:34:07 <SpeedEvil> But you need to buy them.
Nov 01 12:34:11 <fredddd> Does anyone know where I could obtain them?
Nov 01 12:34:15 <SpeedEvil> Where are you?
Nov 01 12:34:16 <fredddd> I bought a USB to power socket thingy.
Nov 01 12:34:29 <fredddd> And I need to plugin the cable in and out 10 - 15 times before it starts charging.
Nov 01 12:34:44 <fredddd> Due to the fact Nokia rechargers have 5 pins or something instead of 6.
Nov 01 12:34:49 <SpeedEvil> Will it charge reliably using the USB cable, and a computer?
Nov 01 12:34:55 <fredddd> Most likely to make more cash on having everyone to turn to them for rechargers.
Nov 01 12:34:57 <fredddd> Yes.
Nov 01 12:34:59 <fredddd> Fine on computer.
Nov 01 12:35:16 <SpeedEvil> Check for a nokia store in your country - online.
Nov 01 12:35:16 <fredddd> But if I use my USB to wall socket converter, it does not, and reading online, I read that Nokia did something special to prevent people from using third party rechargers like that.
Nov 01 12:35:24 <fredddd> Alright.
Nov 01 12:35:46 <SpeedEvil> Otherwise - ebay has lots of similarly shaped objects
Nov 01 12:35:46 <fredddd> I have been wondering about MeeGo.
Nov 01 12:35:56 <fredddd> I do not like it, looks, and functionality, compared to Maemo, but, it will be the successor right?
Nov 01 12:36:13 <SpeedEvil> The n9, you mean?
Nov 01 12:36:14 <jonwil> there is no successor for Maemo on the N900 as such
Nov 01 12:36:17 <jonwil> MeeGo is an alternative
Nov 01 12:36:24 <SpeedEvil> It's the only 'successor' from nokia that's likely.
Nov 01 12:36:29 <fredddd> So Maemo, with CSSU, is the latest and greatest for my little neat N900?
Nov 01 12:36:33 <jonwil> yes
Nov 01 12:36:37 <jonwil> its the best option for your N900
Nov 01 12:36:45 <fredddd> What will I do if my Nokia N900 will ever die? It spoiled me so much I do not want another phone. =(
Nov 01 12:36:55 <jonwil> buy another N900 from ebay
Nov 01 12:37:01 <fredddd> Not that it will die anytime soon, I treat it like my baby, allow it to sleep on the bed at night, etc.
Nov 01 12:37:04 <jonwil> or hope someone has released a suitable phone by them
Nov 01 12:37:06 <fredddd> Ew, second hand.
Nov 01 12:37:10 <SpeedEvil> And what he said.
Nov 01 12:37:19 <jonwil> I look after my N900 very much too
Nov 01 12:37:28 <fredddd> I love it, I can not understand why Nokia dumped it like it did.
Nov 01 12:37:39 <fredddd> If it would die, I would buy it again, if it wuold die again, I would buy it again, and again.
Nov 01 12:37:43 <jonwil> They dumped it because carriers didnt like it
Nov 01 12:37:45 <fredddd> It is perfect, the keyboard, the features, the usability.
Nov 01 12:37:48 <fredddd> Nokia why, why...
Nov 01 12:38:03 <fredddd> The 600 euros I put down for it.
Nov 01 12:38:03 <SpeedEvil> Carriers in the UK carried the n900
Nov 01 12:38:04 <fredddd> All worth it.
Nov 01 12:38:08 <SpeedEvil> Admittedly not all of them.
Nov 01 12:38:09 <jonwil> yeah some did
Nov 01 12:38:21 <jonwil> Also I think it was dumped because it had no ecosystem
Nov 01 12:38:27 <jonwil> and wasnt popular because it had no apps
Nov 01 12:38:30 <fredddd> I think Nokia is fucking up in general.
Nov 01 12:38:32 <SpeedEvil> To be fair - nokia broke shit.
Nov 01 12:38:41 <SpeedEvil> Not getting ovi store working.
Nov 01 12:38:42 <fredddd> N900 - Maemo.
Nov 01 12:38:47 <fredddd> Then they dump it focus on MeeGo with Intel.
Nov 01 12:38:51 <fredddd> Then they dump that, and go for Windows.
Nov 01 12:38:55 <SpeedEvil> And about 8 months in - people were being told not to bother with ovi store.
Nov 01 12:39:02 <fredddd> Nobody likes Windows Phones, so Nokia will fuck up with that one and have no other things to turn to.
Nov 01 12:39:24 <fredddd> That is, if Nokia is not purchased by Microsoft yet.
Nov 01 12:39:44 <SpeedEvil> I like mango.
Nov 01 12:39:52 <fredddd> But that is really something I fear, one day, my Nokia N900, will, leave its earthly body, and go to mobile phone heaven.
Nov 01 12:39:55 <SpeedEvil> In fact, I think I'll just go and eat another.
Nov 01 12:39:58 <fredddd> And then... I will not know what to do.
Nov 01 12:40:59 <fredddd> Right now I am trying to setup synchronisations on my N900.
Nov 01 12:41:03 <fredddd> XMPP, SMTP and IMAP all good.
Nov 01 12:41:14 <fredddd> Now calendar, task list and contact synchronisation, and RSS feed list perhaps too.
Nov 01 12:41:29 <fredddd> On my own server if possible.
Nov 01 12:41:50 <jonwil> does the N900 do iCal for calendars?
Nov 01 12:42:01 <fredddd> I would have to look for some free software (GPL or so), that is able to do that Microsoft Exchange Server thing my N900 has.
Nov 01 12:42:14 <fredddd> Microsoft Exchange thing.
Nov 01 12:42:22 <fredddd> I just setup Google Sync with it, was nice, and worked fine.
Nov 01 12:42:24 <jonwil> you mean ActiveSync?
Nov 01 12:42:28 <fredddd> But I really want to set it up on my own server.
Nov 01 12:42:31 <fredddd> Er, hold on.
Nov 01 12:42:50 <fredddd> http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync#ActiveSync
Nov 01 12:42:53 <fredddd> Yeah, ActiveSync.
Nov 01 12:43:06 <fredddd> Have any experience?
Nov 01 12:43:16 <fredddd> I have a server running, at the address acantha.expressionate.org.
Nov 01 12:43:29 <fredddd> I wish to setup some sort of calendar / task list / contact server and connect it with my N900.
Nov 01 12:43:35 <fredddd> It uses Debian GNU/Linux.
Nov 01 12:43:37 <SpeedEvil> Nope.
Nov 01 12:43:51 <SpeedEvil> I have at the moment three calendar entries on my n900
Nov 01 12:44:01 <fredddd> Yeah well I keep track on birthdays and stuff.
Nov 01 12:44:09 <fredddd> And I like to keep things synced at two or more places for backup purposes.
Nov 01 12:44:51 * SpeedEvil goes back to reading page 120/430 of the decision makers guide.
Nov 01 12:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> fredddd: N900 charger is pretty much USB standard. Just most chargers are not. Short D+- in your wallwart
Nov 01 12:59:49 <DocScrutinizer> freemangordon: see USB charging spec amendment for specifications of short between D+ and D- for signalling fastcharger capabilities to device
Nov 01 13:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> sorry freemangordon, ETAB - he left
Nov 01 13:34:20 <RST38bis> "A steely gaze with little behind it and a firm handshake amplify the appearance of probity."
Nov 01 13:34:35 * RST38bis cackles uncontrollably
Nov 01 13:48:08 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, I'm sure for a Russian guy this sounds silly - I always thought you guys over there don't know any other way to shake hands ;-P
Nov 01 13:49:40 <DocScrutinizer> is this an excerpt from a movie scene description from Rambo-II ?
Nov 01 13:50:27 <DocScrutinizer> or straight from a tutorial for managers?
Nov 01 13:55:07 <cityLights> regarding the kernel update
Nov 01 13:55:25 <cityLights> did anyone try the new kernel V49 from the forum?
Nov 01 14:04:16 <Trewas> funny how n9 manages to be much more laggy POS than n900 in normal use, four times the memory and still swapping like there is no tomorrow
Nov 01 14:05:30 <jonwil> Is the web browser on the N9/N950 webkit based?
Nov 01 14:06:01 <Trewas> yes
Nov 01 14:07:16 <jonwil> interesting how pretty much all smartphone platforms except Microsoft are using webkit for their browsers now
Nov 01 14:35:23 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: Annoying regressions all round.
Nov 01 14:35:33 <SpeedEvil> No way to drag, no flash, no way to change user-agent.
Nov 01 14:59:51 <jonwil> anyone know who "owns" http://browser.garage.maemo.org/?
Nov 01 15:09:39 <RST38bis> "A local Virginia Republican group has apologized for sending around a Halloween email that depicted President Obama as a zombie with a hole in his head. "
Nov 01 15:17:11 <villager> wow, an official update to maemo 5 today... security updates, apparently...
Nov 01 15:18:44 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Nov 01 16:25:33 <pyther> I have an updated title "Maemo 5", what is this?
Nov 01 16:26:05 <NIN101> must be the official security update.
Nov 01 16:30:13 <eMHa__> yeah, it says it's a security update
Nov 01 16:31:00 <eMHa__> there seems more info about http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1116676#post1116676
Nov 01 17:10:00 <color`coded> :o
Nov 01 17:12:31 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer ping
Nov 01 17:30:17 <DocScrutinizer> freemangordon: pong
Nov 01 17:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
Nov 01 17:32:36 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: :)
Nov 01 17:36:52 <freemangordon> DocScrutinizer you've asked me something earlier today which I don't quite understand
Nov 01 17:37:06 <freemangordon> something about charging
Nov 01 17:39:00 <DocScrutinizer> freemangordon: was an ETAB, sorry
Nov 01 17:40:37 <freemangordon> ETAB?
Nov 01 17:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> nick autocompletion (by TAB) mishap
Nov 01 17:41:16 <x29a> wrong autocomplete, id assume
Nov 01 17:42:18 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 01 18:30:56 <jesuschrist> hi guys, anyone has java installed on his n900 ?
Nov 01 18:39:42 <x29a> jesuschrist: youre with the devil, right?
Nov 01 18:40:15 <hakkattakk> :D
Nov 01 18:40:52 <jesuschrist> Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from
Nov 01 18:40:54 <jesuschrist> i get this
Nov 01 18:40:56 <jesuschrist> on a jar
Nov 01 18:41:05 <jesuschrist> any idea ? :\
Nov 01 19:00:03 <drifter> Have you tried google?
Nov 01 19:00:38 <jesuschrist> obviously i tried
Nov 01 19:01:10 <jesuschrist> but maybe you are a better searcher
Nov 01 19:01:24 <jesuschrist> why dont you try it yourself, ill wait for the answer
Nov 01 19:01:27 <jesuschrist> thanks
Nov 01 19:01:50 <drifter> Have you seen this?  http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2591516/why-its-failed-to-load-main-class-manifest-attribute-from-jar-file
Nov 01 19:02:25 <jesuschrist> do i seem like a provider ?
Nov 01 19:02:29 <jesuschrist> ahem a programmer
Nov 01 19:02:35 <drifter> oh lol
Nov 01 19:02:37 <jesuschrist> i just have the jars
Nov 01 19:02:55 <drifter> regardless, it doesnt look too technical
Nov 01 19:03:08 <jesuschrist> thats because you dindt read what you posted
Nov 01 19:03:13 <jesuschrist> it says to rebuild the jars and 
Nov 01 19:03:15 <drifter> dont overlook an article just because you think it's about programming
Nov 01 19:03:18 <jesuschrist> make a manifesto
Nov 01 19:03:20 <drifter> hmm
Nov 01 19:03:24 <whatever4ever> Maemo 5 update just popped up...
Nov 01 19:03:27 <jesuschrist> i just have the jars
Nov 01 19:03:28 <whatever4ever> Anyone else upgrade yet?
Nov 01 19:03:29 <jesuschrist> as i said
Nov 01 19:03:47 <ShadowJK> it's just diginotar isn't it?
Nov 01 19:03:54 <drifter> one moment
Nov 01 19:05:13 <whatever4ever> Anyone know about this newest update?
Nov 01 19:05:23 <whatever4ever> It's from Nokia, right?
Nov 01 19:05:27 <drifter> "The answer is simple: There is no mainclass attribute in the manifest. These jar files are not made to be executed as applications."
Nov 01 19:05:37 <drifter> "Are this jar files for a browser, java midlet files for cell phones or just extensions for other programs? "
Nov 01 19:05:46 <drifter> - http://www.artima.com/forums/flat.jsp?forum=1&thread=112807
Nov 01 19:06:21 <drifter> Third result on google for search:  "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from"
Nov 01 19:06:24 <drifter> including quotes
Nov 01 19:06:47 <drifter> Does this help?
Nov 01 19:07:22 <drifter> Though the answer is simple, I agree the error messages should be more meaningful to end-users.
Nov 01 19:10:17 <drifter> jesuschrist:
Nov 01 19:11:49 <x29a> whatever4ever: <villager> wow, an official update to maemo 5 today... security updates, apparently...
Nov 01 19:12:27 <drifter> jesuschrist: If that helps, please put in a good word with your father for me.
Nov 01 19:13:38 <jesuschrist> drifter
Nov 01 19:13:58 <jesuschrist> im yet to chck the linjs
Nov 01 19:14:01 <jesuschrist> links
Nov 01 19:14:15 <drifter> It says that the jar file isn't meant to be executable
Nov 01 19:14:32 <jesuschrist> pure bullshit
Nov 01 19:14:33 <jesuschrist> :)
Nov 01 19:14:35 <ShadowJK> They started a thread about the security update a fw weeks ago on the forum
Nov 01 19:15:06 <drifter> Is it made for a browser, is it a java midlet for cell phones, or an extension for another program?
Nov 01 19:15:17 <drifter> What is it?
Nov 01 19:15:24 <jesuschrist> its an app for phones
Nov 01 19:15:29 <jesuschrist> worked like a charm on my e70
Nov 01 19:15:38 <ShadowJK> java midlet
Nov 01 19:15:40 <whatever4ever> just security :<
Nov 01 19:15:56 <drifter> is that maemo or android
Nov 01 19:16:04 <jesuschrist> symbian
Nov 01 19:16:25 <whatever4ever> you find an article x29a?
Nov 01 19:17:24 <drifter> well, basically it's missing the standard executable tag
Nov 01 19:17:47 <ShadowJK> midlets can't be run under standard java
Nov 01 19:17:48 <Sicelo> jesuschrist: u trying to run that midlet on your N900?
Nov 01 19:18:04 <jesuschrist> yep
Nov 01 19:18:06 <jesuschrist> any help ?
Nov 01 19:18:17 <Sicelo> u have MicroEmulator?
Nov 01 19:18:20 <jesuschrist> i dont
Nov 01 19:18:23 <jesuschrist> i jave java se
Nov 01 19:18:27 <jesuschrist> from oracle
Nov 01 19:18:35 <ShadowJK> java se does not run midlets
Nov 01 19:18:50 <jesuschrist> i thought it did, reading on maemo forums uh
Nov 01 19:19:05 <jesuschrist> what could i use to run it then ?
Nov 01 19:19:18 <ShadowJK> <Sicelo> u have MicroEmulator?
Nov 01 19:19:40 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 01 19:19:47 <jesuschrist> ill try it
Nov 01 19:20:29 <ShadowJK> and no, there's no app to run lego mindstorm java programs :P
Nov 01 19:22:50 <Phlogistique> hi there
Nov 01 19:23:12 <Phlogistique> does the default terminal support 256 colors?
Nov 01 19:23:38 <drifter> sort of it seems
Nov 01 19:23:51 <whatever4ever> So what's with the official nokia/maemo update today
Nov 01 19:24:00 <Phlogistique> then something must be wrong with my setup
Nov 01 19:24:57 <drifter> Phlogistique: I had 256 colors, but the background wouldn't change when I opened curses programs with a different bg color
Nov 01 19:25:08 <Sicelo> E70 is standard midp java, right, or does it have personal java too?
Nov 01 19:25:08 <Phlogistique> anyone else uses ssh+screen+irssi to irc? care to share how you got utf8 and 256 colors working?
Nov 01 19:25:44 <drifter> Sorry, I used irssi direct from phone
Nov 01 19:26:12 <ShadowJK> no phone has JavaSE (except if you install it on N900)
Nov 01 19:26:14 <Phlogistique> drifter: ok. it seems text in colors over than the 16 main colors just does not get displayed
Nov 01 19:26:27 <ShadowJK> whatever4ever, removes diginotar cert
Nov 01 19:27:06 <drifter> 16 colors? Well, it fooled me.
Nov 01 19:27:29 <Sicelo> ShadowJK: Nokia 9xxx family had Personal Java (buggy though) as well as a few UIQ phones
Nov 01 19:27:56 <jesuschrist> ok microemu works
Nov 01 19:27:58 <jesuschrist> :)
Nov 01 19:28:19 <drifter> Phlogistique: Are you sure colors beyond 16 are ignored? I've used irssi and vim themes that never ignored a color
Nov 01 19:28:32 <Sicelo> kewl jesuschrist.
Nov 01 19:28:44 <jesuschrist> letting you know, microemu works on meego too
Nov 01 19:29:05 <drifter> Phlogistique: It might have squeezed them into 16 colors but not ignore them.
Nov 01 19:30:01 <Sicelo> microemu works everywhere there's standard java. u can take very same N900 Emu to your pc and it will work
Nov 01 19:30:22 <jesuschrist> it doesnt seem designed for a virtual keyboard still
Nov 01 19:30:59 <drifter> bye
Nov 01 19:31:03 <Sicelo> heh, i don't use vkbd at all on my N900. i come from Nokia 9xxx background 
Nov 01 19:31:23 <jesuschrist> anyway i see
Nov 01 19:31:28 <jesuschrist> oracle provides
Nov 01 19:31:30 <jesuschrist> java me
Nov 01 19:31:32 <jesuschrist> directly
Nov 01 19:31:41 <jesuschrist> should it be able to run midlets
Nov 01 19:31:50 <jesuschrist> directly ?
Nov 01 19:35:36 <jesuschrist> Sicelo ?
Nov 01 19:35:57 * ShadowJK doubts oracle's java me installs on N900
Nov 01 19:36:31 <jesuschrist> the binaries execute
Nov 01 19:36:34 <jesuschrist> tried them
Nov 01 19:36:38 <jesuschrist> now
Nov 01 19:38:22 <Sicelo> i don't know jesuschrist.
Nov 01 19:38:38 <Sicelo> Java ME :/
Nov 01 19:38:47 <Sicelo> link..
Nov 01 19:39:08 <jesuschrist> http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javame/index.html
Nov 01 19:39:25 <jesuschrist> if i understood it correctly microemu is a java me emulator
Nov 01 19:43:15 <jesuschrist> i think it works
Nov 01 19:43:16 <jesuschrist> but
Nov 01 19:43:23 <jesuschrist> obviously i miss the right syntax
Nov 01 19:44:07 <jesuschrist> Cannot start VM ()
Nov 01 19:44:07 <jesuschrist> Could not create JVM.
Nov 01 19:46:40 <Sicelo> jesuschrist: i'm not a java expert. what i have been saying so far is based on my little experience. so i really have no idea why your oracle gives errors
Nov 01 19:47:51 <Sicelo> but, that 'could not create jvm' error seems to tell me java is not ready to accept commands
Nov 01 19:52:49 <jesuschrist> hmm
Nov 01 20:00:35 <Sicelo> jvm is like your command interpreter for a language like python. if that's not there/working, your java apps won't work
Nov 01 20:18:33 <whatever4ever> anyone get the n900 update yet?
Nov 01 20:19:16 <dzho> "the" update?
Nov 01 20:19:35 <whatever4ever> yeah, I just had teh popup
Nov 01 20:19:39 <whatever4ever> official nokia n900 maemo update today
Nov 01 20:19:43 <whatever4ever> Not sure what it covers though
Nov 01 20:19:49 <whatever4ever> Someone here said it was just security
Nov 01 20:20:01 <NIN101> An Issue with a compromised SSL certificate authority. 
Nov 01 20:20:36 <whatever4ever> That's it?
Nov 01 20:20:42 <whatever4ever> It's like a multiple meg update
Nov 01 20:21:31 <whatever4ever> Those here who have tried the n950 and the n9 - how does it compare to your beloved n900?
Nov 01 20:21:32 <NIN101> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400
Nov 01 20:25:14 <Sicelo> whatever4ever: 15:58 < Trewas> funny how n9 manages to be much more laggy POS than n900 in normal use, four times the memory and  still swapping like there is no tomorrow
Nov 01 20:26:08 <whatever4ever> How is that possible?
Nov 01 20:26:21 <whatever4ever> All other devices now, even that vally girls have, are fast as shit
Nov 01 20:26:25 <whatever4ever> iphone, android, etc
Nov 01 20:27:14 <Sicelo> i dunno. haven't N9 myself. we also don't know how Trewas uses his device
Nov 01 20:27:45 <whatever4ever> It has the same cpu/gfx hardware as the n950, eh?
Nov 01 20:28:04 <whatever4ever> I'm going to get CSSU on my n900 soon and hopefully will be more responsive
Nov 01 20:28:28 <Sicelo> yours isn't responsive? why?
Nov 01 20:28:43 <whatever4ever> It's an n900
Nov 01 20:28:52 <whatever4ever> I mean, it is fairly responsive, just slw
Nov 01 20:29:16 <whatever4ever> Takes a long time, for example, for GPS apps to launch
Nov 01 20:29:30 <whatever4ever> by that time I'm already on the highway and it is hard to enter addresses :)
Nov 01 20:32:32 <NIN101> the N9 uses so much ram because - afaik - they prestart some programs to make them open faster... 
Nov 01 20:33:38 <whatever4ever> So it should be less laggy then, eh?
Nov 01 20:33:51 <NIN101> (sure maemo does kinda the same, but...) 
Nov 01 20:33:59 <whatever4ever> Yeah, I need to learn to optimize those
Nov 01 20:34:12 <whatever4ever> For example, having pidgin auto start, but probably not a lot of other things
Nov 01 20:34:38 <NIN101> s/maemo/maemo 5/
Nov 01 20:34:39 <infobot> NIN101 meant: (sure maemo 5 does kinda the same, but...) 
Nov 01 20:35:16 <whatever4ever> Is meego still not used by most n900 powerusers on a day-to-day?
Nov 01 20:35:24 <whatever4ever> I'm guessing it hasn't many apps
Nov 01 20:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> why would a power user want to use meego on N900? just for the shits'n'giggles?
Nov 01 20:57:04 <Trewas> Sicelo: I don't think I have done anything that special with n9, not running more than a handful of apps at a time but still it is quite often completely unresponsive when trying to unlock it
Nov 01 20:58:49 <Trewas> and after it is unlocked you can't scroll the app menu or change between home screens without 30s delay
Nov 01 21:01:01 <Trewas> I mean, n900 was occasionally that bad (for example copy a lot of videos to it and then unplug, and it indexes/thumbnails them), but n9 with four times the memory is just as bad every fucking day without having to do anything to trigger it
Nov 01 21:09:10 <DocScrutinizer> Trewas: that clearly qualifies for a reflash, and if that doesn't help (with no additional "apps" installed) then you should ask for a replacement device
Nov 01 21:13:11 <petteri> i think that is quite normal
Nov 01 21:15:26 <petteri> happened to me also (probably tracker indexing or something)
Nov 01 21:16:20 <petteri> also updating the feeds seem to "halt" the user interface
Nov 01 21:18:27 <Trewas> yeah, I know a couple of couple people with n9's and the UI being stuck / very laggy seems unfortunately common
Nov 01 21:19:20 <petteri> i disabled all the feeds and have rebooted the device couple of times. It seems to be much better now than in the first week
Nov 01 21:21:46 <Trewas> too bad there is no vmstat command, it would be easy to see how much it is swapping... I mean the 256MB swap is always completely full but I guess it is sometimes changing what is there
Nov 01 21:29:13 <Phlogistique> Is there a prefered way to change the default browser?
Nov 01 21:35:38 <whatever4ever> "(1:49:37 PM) DocScrutinizer: why would a power user want to use meego on N900? just for the shits'n'giggles?" - That's exactly the questions I was asking
Nov 01 21:39:10 <whatever4ever> So, your implied answer is, "no reason besides to test it"
Nov 01 21:46:54 <ZogG> whatever4ever why would power user would want n900?
Nov 01 21:47:28 <ZogG> when iphone is shinny with a lot of *khhhmmm* not real *khhhm* apps
Nov 01 21:47:41 <NIN101> yes, iPhone is better than N900 in every aspect of IT. 
Nov 01 21:48:01 <ZogG> nope
Nov 01 21:48:03 <whatever4ever> What is going on here?
Nov 01 21:48:09 <ZogG> in all aspect of end user
Nov 01 21:48:18 <whatever4ever> I can't tell if n90 has been taken over by trolls or a different user base
Nov 01 21:48:31 <ZogG> i would even say not user
Nov 01 21:48:35 <ZogG> but consumer 
Nov 01 21:48:38 <whatever4ever> if #maemo, rather
Nov 01 21:51:23 <NIN101> it was a joke, apparently...
Nov 01 21:51:41 <ZogG> i was seriuos
Nov 01 21:51:49 <ZogG> i liked my n900 more than iphone
Nov 01 21:52:08 <ZogG> but just normal consumer would prefer iphone and i think it's better for him
Nov 01 21:52:32 <ZogG> as well as i wouldn't call him user as he doesn't really fully use his phone
Nov 01 21:53:09 <[DarkGUNMAN]> evening
Nov 01 21:55:00 <[DarkGUNMAN]> has anyone had success sharing the N900 wifi with a windows PC through usb?
Nov 01 22:04:32 <whatever4ever> [DarkGUNMAN]: why?
Nov 01 22:04:41 <whatever4ever> Because you can't recover the wep key from the n900?
Nov 01 22:05:09 <whatever4ever> I remember learning how to reveal wep keys entered into the n900 a while back...
Nov 01 22:22:21 <[DarkGUNMAN]> sorry, dropped out.
Nov 01 22:23:48 <[DarkGUNMAN]> reason i need to share N900 wifi via usb is to get my laptop connected while I'm on holiday. reliable 3
Nov 01 22:24:05 <[DarkGUNMAN]> reliable 3g is not an option
Nov 01 23:01:22 <UberNeo> Hi All .. regarding using the MAEMO from uSD card .. still i have one confusion ...
Nov 01 23:03:01 <UberNeo> as per DocScrutinizer .. make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id  by changing 0 to 1 and vice versa .. which makes sure that now onwards .. Kernel will detect uSD as mmcblk0 and EMMC as mmcblk1
Nov 01 23:03:52 <UberNeo> if that is the case then no need to make any changes ..anywhere of changing .. mmcblk1 to mmcblk0
Nov 01 23:04:06 <DocScrutinizer> yes, exactly
Nov 01 23:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> that's the idea
Nov 01 23:04:40 <UberNeo> i tried just by making changes only in '/lib/udev/mmc_id' .. but thts doesnt seems to be enough
Nov 01 23:05:39 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-10-31 04:14:43] <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: no other edits should be needed, just what I suggested 2 line sabove
Nov 01 23:05:54 <UberNeo> I have a reflashed the N900 again .. with no changes yet .. DocScrutinizer  lemme try it one more time ..
Nov 01 23:06:18 <UberNeo> i will just make changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id with 0 to 1 and vice versa
Nov 01 23:06:53 <DocScrutinizer> yes, and of course copy the whole unchanged /home /opt /whatnot to uSD
Nov 01 23:07:02 <UberNeo> and then reboot .. with uSD card having exactly same partitions and already copied /home in p2 and MyDocs to P1
Nov 01 23:07:03 <ColdFyre> ahh i saw a maemo update on my n900 and then i read the topic :(
Nov 01 23:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: maybe blkid needs a patching as well
Nov 01 23:09:39 <UberNeo> DocScrutinizer: what kind of patch
Nov 01 23:09:41 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# blkid
Nov 01 23:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk1p1: UUID="4A7D-E054" TYPE="vfat"
Nov 01 23:09:44 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk1p2: UUID="87ca03c6-9060-4e1c-aa7d-1bab8dfab6f0" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3"
Nov 01 23:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not entirely sure where from this info is gathered
Nov 01 23:10:25 <UberNeo> how to apply that patch
Nov 01 23:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4ACD-9F4D" TYPE="vfat"
Nov 01 23:10:36 <DocScrutinizer> /dev/mmcblk0p2: LABEL="RX-51_2009SE_1.2" UUID="40b25a3e-1b57-40d3-8c4c-f90ac85f8b5d" TYPE="ext3"
Nov 01 23:11:02 <DocScrutinizer> that'S what cmd #> blkid; shows on a 'normal' N900
Nov 01 23:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> iirc this info is from a file in /etc
Nov 01 23:11:24 <NIN101> man page says /proc/partitions
Nov 01 23:11:34 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, ok
Nov 01 23:12:05 <DocScrutinizer> then it should output correct "swapped" info on your edited system. Check it
Nov 01 23:12:42 <UberNeo> okk .. I am rebooting .. with just changes made in /lib/udev/mmc_id
Nov 01 23:17:27 <UberNeo> blkid  -- after just making the changes in /lib/udev/mmc_id ( nothing else) - http://pastebin.com/wVPDABhf
Nov 01 23:18:36 <UberNeo> dmesg | grep mmc  -- http://pastebin.com/Knita0H2
Nov 01 23:19:09 <UberNeo> mount -- http://pastebin.com/L6RPhe2J
Nov 01 23:19:50 <UberNeo> df -h http://pastebin.com/yhPE7BWT
Nov 01 23:20:28 <UberNeo> free - http://pastebin.com/Qv8NuXKF
Nov 01 23:21:08 <NIN101> MyDocs is wrong.
Nov 01 23:21:30 <UberNeo> yes .. it shud be on /dev/mmcblk0p1
Nov 01 23:22:49 <UberNeo> also 2 old errors are back -- 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application 
Nov 01 23:24:24 <UberNeo> NIN101: shall i use the same method as discusssed on that day of adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh
Nov 01 23:24:59 <UberNeo> also creating a startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC
Nov 01 23:29:01 <NIN101> yes this would work. More interesitng is that somehow the swap didn't work for MyDocs, whatever mounts it(ke-recv ?) ignores fstab and must be searching for it (via blkid?).  
Nov 01 23:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> UberNeo: this will most likely break things on using mass storage mode
Nov 01 23:47:23 <UberNeo> after adding the line http://pastebin.com/a7d271xP in /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh and add a new startup script as http://pastebin.com/sKMq1xAC  .. below are the new changes .. 
Nov 01 23:47:32 <UberNeo> mount -- http://pastebin.com/mzuyPApS
Nov 01 23:48:26 <UberNeo> still the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application  3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU %
Nov 01 23:50:27 <NIN101> and why did it disappear last time?
Nov 01 23:51:48 <UberNeo> coz .. last time .. it was actully started using the main System from EMMC ... coz of lots of messup in replacing mmcblk0 with mmcblk1
Nov 01 23:52:48 <UberNeo> Now it is totally on uSD .. both /home  .. /opt  -- MyDocs and Swap as well all on uSD
Nov 01 23:57:29 <NIN101> you copied with cp -a? 
Nov 01 23:57:49 <UberNeo> yess .. i did .. 
Nov 01 23:58:03 <UberNeo> both p1 and p2
Nov 02 00:00:04 <UberNeo> Nokia-N900:/usr/bin# /usr/bin/image-viewer.launch  
Nov 02 00:00:05 <UberNeo> Segmentation fault
Nov 02 00:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> seems ke-recv has hardcoded mmcblk0 and mmcblk1 and is caling /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh probably with eMMC mmcblk0 before it got even processed by udev, or at least for eMMC first. Once eMMC got mounted on MyDocs a furhter call for mounting uSD gets rejected by /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh (logger "$0: $PDEV is already mounted")
Nov 02 00:02:07 <NIN101> ke-recv starts after hildon-desktop
Nov 02 00:02:17 <DocScrutinizer> as it's maybe a bit too hackerish to edit ke-recv binary, I suggest to convert mount calls to "mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs" to mmcblk1
Nov 02 00:03:43 <DocScrutinizer> in  /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount.sh
Nov 02 00:03:50 <NIN101> that's more or less what we did.
Nov 02 00:05:36 <DocScrutinizer> also note that no MyDocs will get mounted from eMMC when the partition type doesn't meet b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e)
Nov 02 00:06:34 <DocScrutinizer> which would probably result in uSD MyDocs getting mounted instead
Nov 02 00:07:08 <DocScrutinizer> I'm still concerned about blkid and the partition labels
Nov 02 00:07:33 <DocScrutinizer> and UUIDs
Nov 02 00:09:08 <DocScrutinizer> e.g. a missing partition label "Nokia N900" on mmcblk1p1 uSD would at very least create issues with filemanager etc
Nov 02 00:10:30 <UberNeo> but File Manager is showing the label "Nokia N900"
Nov 02 00:11:07 <UberNeo> and also clicking that .. I am able to access the p1 of uSD card as well
Nov 02 00:11:37 <UberNeo> pdf reader is opening .. correctly
Nov 02 00:11:54 <DocScrutinizer> what's output of blkid?
Nov 02 00:12:15 <NIN101> I don't have such a partition label and everything works fine. 
Nov 02 00:12:43 <DocScrutinizer> amazing
Nov 02 00:13:01 <UberNeo> blkid - http://pastebin.com/SJDyX7E4
Nov 02 00:13:51 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I suggest to change partition type of eMMC p1 to something invalid, i.e. "not in >b | c | e | 4 | 6 | 14 | 16 | 1b | 1c | 1e<"
Nov 02 00:15:55 <DocScrutinizer> while you're at it, change type of your eMMC /dev/mmcblk1p2 as well
Nov 02 00:19:41 <UberNeo> shall i give 0xfd (linux raid)  partition type to both /dev/mmcblk1p1 and /dev/mmcblk1p2
Nov 02 00:23:41 <UberNeo> Old sfdisk -l --  http://pastebin.com/VexRXLu2
Nov 02 00:24:21 <UberNeo> After Partition change -- sfdisk -l -- http://pastebin.com/abY5spNE
Nov 02 00:24:28 <UberNeo> now rebooting
Nov 02 00:27:04 <UberNeo> No change ... same issues ..
Nov 02 00:28:38 <UberNeo> still the old issues .. 1) Error in Opening Calender 2) Error in opening Photos Application  3) No Video playing in Browser for Youtube .. 4) dbus-daemon .. consuming lots of CPU %
Nov 02 00:30:48 <NIN101> aiui /home/ is the problem here, your issues have nothing to do MyDocs.
Nov 02 00:31:24 <UberNeo> top -- http://pastebin.com/hUyC8E8q
Nov 02 00:45:31 <UberNeo> also after making the Partition Type changes.. n900 is behaving a bit slow ..
Nov 02 00:53:37 <NIN101> well, what now..: strace some programs which fail to start, see what the dbus-messages are saying. This may give you helpful hints of what is going wrong. 
Nov 02 00:55:26 <jonwil>  anyone know who owns "http://browser.garage.maemo.org/"?
Nov 02 00:57:36 <UberNeo> i dnt need the applications like Calendar or Photos  .. but the dbus-daemon is eating the max of CPU .. thats the main prob for me now
Nov 02 01:01:28 <UberNeo> also I am able to install application .. both by using Application Manager and apt-get on command line
Nov 02 01:05:51 <SpeedEvil> I thought you'd gotten it working last night.
Nov 02 01:07:01 <UberNeo> ya actually .. there was a more contribution from eMMC in that .. thats why it was working .. everything was not on uSD coz we had changed at many places from mmcblk0 to mmcblk1 
Nov 02 01:07:25 <UberNeo> now all is on uSD
Nov 02 01:07:43 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Nov 02 01:07:49 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Nov 02 01:09:07 <UberNeo>   /usr/bin/dbus-daemon --system --nofork  -- consumin lots of CPU
Nov 02 01:12:24 <SpeedEvil> What's sending mesages?
Nov 02 01:13:02 <UberNeo> dbus-monitor is giving hell lot of output continuously
Nov 02 01:15:25 <SpeedEvil> Dump it to a file for a bit, and then sort to see what the most common ones are, sent by who
Nov 02 02:08:25 <Kurt_> could anyone help me flash my N900 its my first time o.O
Nov 02 02:09:08 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Nov 02 02:09:09 <infobot> from memory, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 02 02:12:21 <Kurt_> SpeedEvil would it be better to flash or to use apps manager?
Nov 02 02:14:01 <SpeedEvil> Depends.
Nov 02 02:14:06 <SpeedEvil> What are you wanting to do?
Nov 02 02:14:28 <NIN101> good night. 
Nov 02 02:14:33 <SpeedEvil> Night.
Nov 02 02:14:35 <SpeedEvil> good lukc
Nov 02 02:14:59 <Kurt_> upgrade to the latest firmware i guess? cause its outdated.
Nov 02 02:17:36 <UberNeo> Good night everybody .. thanks for all the Inputs today .. will try to debug those dbus messages
Nov 02 02:19:59 <SpeedEvil> Good luck!
Nov 02 02:20:22 <LaoLang_cool> happy maemoing!
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