**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 08 02:59:57 2011
Nov 08 03:01:25 <internetishard> Anyone opened up an n900 to fix the 3.5" jack?
Nov 08 03:04:02 <internetishard> the mic stopped working. Only headphones work, but when a headset is plugged in the mic doesn't work.
Nov 08 03:11:46 <SpeedEvil> The jack is simply pressed ontot he board.
Nov 08 03:11:55 <SpeedEvil> It can be easily replaced - if you can find spares.
Nov 08 03:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> internetishard: check AV, plug device to a TV
Nov 08 03:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> internetishard: and reflash before you consider hw fixing actions
Nov 08 06:47:46 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/07/microsoft_chevronwp7_mango_jailbreak_blessing/ <-- of course they do... they were always a company that woried about getting developers
Nov 08 07:34:15 <Macer> grrrrrr
Nov 08 07:34:24 <Macer> my washer isnt working properly
Nov 08 07:34:38 <Macer> i think the door switch may have worn
Nov 08 08:25:38 <MohammadAG> so I just found out my monthly bill always averages 600NIS, about $150
Nov 08 08:25:56 <jacekowski> i never go above £30
Nov 08 08:25:59 <MohammadAG> going to subsidize an iPhone or SGSII
Nov 08 08:26:12 <kerio> MohammadAG: holy shit
Nov 08 08:26:16 <kerio> wtf are you doing with your phone
Nov 08 08:26:27 <MohammadAG> kerio, apparently talking a lot
Nov 08 08:26:32 <kerio> lame
Nov 08 08:26:59 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: what, no cheap plans?
Nov 08 08:27:23 <hiemanshu> I pay $2 a month to get unlimited free calls to the same number
Nov 08 08:27:29 <auenfx4> MohammadAG, subsidise it on a 3month contract or something?
Nov 08 08:27:31 <hiemanshu> s/number/network/
Nov 08 08:27:32 <infobot> hiemanshu meant: I pay $2 a month to get unlimited free calls to the same network
Nov 08 08:27:37 <auenfx4> seeing as you make too many calls :P
Nov 08 08:28:24 <MohammadAG> well, all iPhone or SGSII owners say they pay a flat 50 bucks
Nov 08 08:28:43 <MohammadAG> with some 6000 minutes talk time and 4GBs internet or sth
Nov 08 08:29:15 <MohammadAG> since I pay 3 times that already, I may subsidize a dust collector, unlock it and sell it later
Nov 08 08:29:32 <auenfx4> how many mins of calls do you make to rack up $150?
Nov 08 08:30:29 <petteri> mine is like 16 eur including 10 for 1Mbit internet
Nov 08 08:30:53 <kerio> subsidize a n900!
Nov 08 08:30:56 <kerio> you never have enough
Nov 08 08:31:53 <auenfx4> sif any telco has n900's left to subsidise
Nov 08 08:36:08 <Macer> most carriers here do that for free
Nov 08 08:36:22 <Macer> free calls to same network
Nov 08 08:36:32 <Macer> but i am sure they charge you elsewhere to make up for it
Nov 08 08:36:36 <Macer> greedy bastards
Nov 08 08:36:43 <Macer> i still don't have a plan to drop my minutes even lower
Nov 08 08:37:00 <Macer> i think when i get the chance i will move over to a prepaid line with unlimited data if they have one available
Nov 08 08:37:09 <hopbeat> folks, can someone give me a hint who's debmaster for maemo atm/can pull package from extras-devel?
Nov 08 08:37:19 <Macer> i use like 10 mins of voice time a month on my cell but a crapload of data
Nov 08 08:43:37 <LaoLang_cool> n900 is so nice
Nov 08 08:55:31 <ebzzry> Hi1 Is there a way to disable the camera focusing light in Maemo 5?
Nov 08 08:59:02 <MohammadAG> auenfx4, no idea, lots I guess
Nov 08 08:59:33 <auenfx4> sounds like lots :P
Nov 08 08:59:49 <auenfx4> there are mobile plans here for $99 that are unlimited calls/text
Nov 08 09:00:02 <auenfx4> and a bunch of data included also
Nov 08 09:06:33 <Macer> ok.....
Nov 08 09:06:37 <Macer> http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_SPM6211610802P?ci_sku=SPM6211610802&ci_src=14110944&i_cntr=1320743061698&sid=IDx20101019x00001a
Nov 08 09:06:45 <Macer> w.....t......f?
Nov 08 09:06:48 <Macer> SEARS?!
Nov 08 09:06:55 <Macer> sears has N9s!?
Nov 08 09:06:56 <Macer> lol
Nov 08 09:07:37 <auenfx4> Sold by GSM On Sale 
Nov 08 09:07:46 <Macer> lol
Nov 08 09:08:54 <Macer> reg price: $899
Nov 08 09:09:03 <Macer> are people really buying these things for 900?? :) 
Nov 08 09:09:07 <auenfx4> it converted to local currency for me
Nov 08 09:09:12 <Macer> no wonder nokia sucks now
Nov 08 09:09:28 <auenfx4> which means its about $200 more expensive than 64GB locally
Nov 08 09:09:34 <Macer> slashed to $799
Nov 08 09:09:37 <Macer> :)
Nov 08 09:09:42 <Macer> you save $100!
Nov 08 09:09:49 <auenfx4> AUD$788 for 64GB locally :P
Nov 08 09:10:12 <Macer> yeah.. USD and AUD are pretty close
Nov 08 09:10:42 <Macer> that is amazing tho... omg that is a lot for a phone
Nov 08 09:10:58 <Macer> then again.. the samsung note is going for roughly the same price
Nov 08 09:11:10 <Macer> i just thought it was too funny tho that it was on the sears web site
Nov 08 09:11:17 <Macer> that was unexpected
Nov 08 09:14:03 <mece> Macer, some googling tells me "iPhone 4S 64GB – $849"
Nov 08 09:14:20 <Macer> wow really??
Nov 08 09:14:24 <MohammadAG> auenfx4, I mainly use data and calls, only 70 cents of sms
Nov 08 09:14:58 <mece> Macer, $649 for 16Gb version
Nov 08 09:15:33 <Macer> oh
Nov 08 09:15:40 <Macer> N9 is 64GB?
Nov 08 09:15:50 <auenfx4> i did $4.20 of sms' last month
Nov 08 09:15:53 <mece> Macer, 64 or 16
Nov 08 09:16:01 <auenfx4> (7c/sms)
Nov 08 09:16:27 <Macer> no.. that is the 16GB going for that much
Nov 08 09:16:29 <Macer> from sears
Nov 08 09:16:32 <Macer> that is retarded
Nov 08 09:16:36 <mece> Macer, damn. That's a bit much
Nov 08 09:16:48 <Macer> http://phone-size.com/?p=%5B1%2C6%5D
Nov 08 09:16:52 <Macer> that it is
Nov 08 09:16:58 <Macer> does the n9 at least have a microsd slot?
Nov 08 09:17:02 <Macer> sdxc i'm hoping? :)
Nov 08 09:17:10 <mece> Macer, no
Nov 08 09:17:12 <auenfx4> no microsd slot
Nov 08 09:17:16 <Macer> omg
Nov 08 09:17:24 <Macer> taking the apple route huh?
Nov 08 09:17:33 <mece> haha ok, the size of the note, that's what's retarded!
Nov 08 09:17:57 <Macer> yeah
Nov 08 09:18:02 <Macer> it is huge
Nov 08 09:18:19 <Macer> i guess something between a tablet and a phone?
Nov 08 09:18:30 <Macer> i wonder if it is running honeycomb with a dialer :)
Nov 08 09:18:56 <auenfx4> my android 'tablet' is a 7" with froyo
Nov 08 09:19:04 <mece> haahaha
Nov 08 09:19:06 <auenfx4> it can be used as a phone :P
Nov 08 09:19:27 <mece> oo but the weight of the note is brilliant!
Nov 08 09:19:47 <auenfx4> it fits in jeans back pocket
Nov 08 09:19:53 <auenfx4> cept its a bit tall
Nov 08 09:20:04 <mece> auenfx4, and if you sit down it breaks
Nov 08 09:20:06 <auenfx4> Dimensions 	146.9 x 83 x 9.7 mm
Nov 08 09:20:06 <auenfx4> Weight 	178 g
Nov 08 09:20:09 <Macer> back pocket?
Nov 08 09:20:11 <Macer> :)
Nov 08 09:20:27 <Macer> you shouldnt need cargo pants to carry your phone
Nov 08 09:20:28 <auenfx4> Dimensions 	192 x 110 x 12.6 mm
Nov 08 09:20:28 <auenfx4> Weight 	403 g
Nov 08 09:20:34 <auenfx4> its a touch heavier than galaxy note :P
Nov 08 09:20:43 <Macer> they don't have n900 on that site :(
Nov 08 09:21:16 <mece> iphone and galaxy are really starting to look old...
Nov 08 09:22:19 <mece> anyway, I'm sure the note has some good uses, but not for me. I couldn't carry it.
Nov 08 09:22:42 <Macer> does sony still use symbian?
Nov 08 09:22:50 <mece> it also seems to be running some primitive and uninteresting operating system
Nov 08 09:22:56 <mece> Macer, I doubt that.
Nov 08 09:23:08 <mece> Macer, android afaik
Nov 08 09:24:14 <Macer> ah ok
Nov 08 09:24:59 <Macer> i would definately get the black N9
Nov 08 09:25:07 <mece> I want the white one.
Nov 08 09:25:09 <mece> anyway
Nov 08 09:25:11 <Macer> if they weren't so damn expensive
Nov 08 09:25:20 <mece> that galaxy note reminds me a lot of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORMmNFRadig
Nov 08 09:25:31 <Macer> i will wait and see if nokia keeps making them
Nov 08 09:25:45 <Macer> i'm sure if they work out then the price will drop and the N10 will pop up
Nov 08 09:26:19 <Macer> LOL
Nov 08 09:26:22 <Macer> omg.. top secreat!
Nov 08 09:26:24 <Macer> epic movie
Nov 08 09:26:48 <mece> I'm pretty sure Samsung watched that movie and were like, "Hey! Why don't we make that phone as a joke!"
Nov 08 09:28:17 <Macer> lol
Nov 08 09:28:27 <Macer> i think they were targeting men with penis issues
Nov 08 09:28:30 <Macer> :)
Nov 08 09:28:45 <Macer> the asian market is huge for this sort of thing
Nov 08 09:29:41 <mece> But seriously, It must looks absolutely ridiculous when you talk on the phone with that thing
Nov 08 09:32:01 <Macer> that's what the bt earpiece is for ;)
Nov 08 09:32:15 <Macer> it probably isn't as bad as it seems
Nov 08 09:32:38 <Macer> you probably have to see one first hand
Nov 08 09:32:52 <auenfx4> www.sidetalking.com
Nov 08 09:32:59 <Macer> i knowi might be a little late in asking.. but in the US... "Maemo" would be pronounced ... "May-Moe"
Nov 08 09:33:13 <Macer> is that proper? or is it "Mee-Moe"
Nov 08 09:34:08 <MohammadAG> I pronounce it my mo
Nov 08 09:34:31 <Macer> i guess that is another way to read it
Nov 08 09:34:41 <Macer> i always say "May Moe"
Nov 08 09:35:16 <Macer> i mean is this the same as Lin-us and Line-us ? where it is a matter of where you live?
Nov 08 09:35:40 <vdv> x29a, i've found what was the reason for the yesterdays case
Nov 08 09:35:50 <vdv> x29a, CPLUS_INCLUDE_PATH
Nov 08 09:36:02 <vdv> which was set to /usr/lib/qt/include
Nov 08 09:36:29 <vdv> i.e. to system qt headers dir
Nov 08 09:58:04 <Trewas> n9's kernel has been patched so that it shows free+cached memory as free, unlike linux normally... I was wondering why is it swapping often with >200MB free memory, but turns out most of that is cache
Nov 08 09:58:24 <Trewas> maybe n900 was the same, but at least it was never that laggy
Nov 08 10:07:23 <ShadowJK> Weird, I'd thought N9 would be less laggy
Nov 08 10:07:35 <ShadowJK> and how the hell does it manage to blow 1gig of memory ;-)
Nov 08 10:08:40 <Trewas> now after six days of uptime it is pretty much single-tasking phone, after a reboot it is ok for a few days
Nov 08 10:08:51 <ShadowJK> kinda like N900 then
Nov 08 10:09:28 <ShadowJK> are you sure it's not "free" that was patched?
Nov 08 10:10:43 <Trewas> I am not sure what they have done, but I have a script polling /proc/vmstat and watching how much it swaps, and it does swap a lot even though free (the command) shows >200MB free memory
Nov 08 10:11:08 <Trewas> checking /proc/meminfo MemFree is the same value but there is almost 200MB of Cached too
Nov 08 10:18:49 <vdv> i've deployed qt app with qtcreator, deb package is installed, but when i try to run it as normal user looks like program is started (i see it in process list), but i don't see main window. running as root works normal
Nov 08 10:41:04 <x29a> vdv: hah, so i guessed right ;)
Nov 08 10:41:48 <x29a> vdv: you can also deploy by just copying the stuff over (can be set in qt creator, is a bit faster)
Nov 08 10:44:32 <vdv> the reason app was not accessable from app menu was that in control file Section: user/hidden was specified
Nov 08 10:47:17 <vdv> x29a, had to put it in user/education
Nov 08 10:49:19 <vdv> or maybe not..
Nov 08 10:49:49 <x29a> vdv: you have weird settings, it just works here
Nov 08 10:50:31 <vdv> i see app icon in list, but when i click on it, nothing happens
Nov 08 10:50:43 <vdv> but if i run app from terminal as root it opens
Nov 08 10:51:09 <vdv> that all happens on device of course
Nov 08 11:02:08 <Trewas> aah the memory info seems strange because the swap in n9 is actually a compressed ramdisk inside the main memory
Nov 08 12:21:00 <jonwil> ok, wtf is a "dead key"?
Nov 08 12:21:36 <mgedmin> generally speaking, it's a key that acts like a sticky-shift
Nov 08 12:21:56 <mgedmin> when you press it, it doesn't insert a character, but modifies the action of the following key
Nov 08 12:22:31 <mgedmin> e.g. if you have a "dead ~", you press it, then press n to get ñ
Nov 08 12:22:51 <jonwil> If 
Nov 08 12:22:56 <mgedmin> and to enter a ~ you either press it twice, or press it and then press space (it depends on the OS, I believe)
Nov 08 12:23:19 <jonwil> If I can figure out these last few things, I will be able to release a set of usable headers for libimlayout :)
Nov 08 12:23:40 <jonwil> which means you can read and get data from .vkb keyboard layouts
Nov 08 12:37:28 <Macer> hm. got my cover from amazon. a clear one.
Nov 08 12:37:35 <Macer> it isnt too bad
Nov 08 12:37:50 <Macer> still slides :)
Nov 08 12:38:34 <Macer> i seriously do wish that i could find a plastic keyboard cover so i dont wear out the keyboard
Nov 08 12:38:52 <Macer> maybe i can rig something up
Nov 08 12:46:05 <Macer> http://my-symbian.com/other/preview_n900.php
Nov 08 12:46:08 <Macer> lol
Nov 08 12:47:57 * SpeedEvil fails to find the lolz.
Nov 08 12:49:22 * DocScrutinizer lolls
Nov 08 12:49:58 <DocScrutinizer> while TV lulls me
Nov 08 12:53:08 <Macer> SpeedEvil: oh cmon
Nov 08 12:53:34 <Macer> it is like seeing a 1980s commercial with tarrif clauses in the fine print
Nov 08 12:53:51 <Macer> remember those?
Nov 08 12:54:10 <Macer> there is no mobile web app for google plus?
Nov 08 12:54:19 <Macer> google keeps sending me to the full site
Nov 08 12:57:40 <Macer> oh. found it. nice. works good in the maemo browser
Nov 08 13:20:32 <psychologe> how to used python command judge call stats ? is connected or disconnected ?
Nov 08 13:20:49 <psychologe> somebody konw?
Nov 08 13:30:08 <Macer> hm
Nov 08 13:30:42 <Macer> i am curious if my transformer supports dun
Nov 08 13:30:57 <Macer> i never tried it on an android device
Nov 08 13:31:01 <psychologe> Macer, hi
Nov 08 13:31:07 <Macer> hi
Nov 08 13:31:13 <Gizmokid2005> frals: ping
Nov 08 13:31:32 <Macer> i dont want to use wifi hotspot on the n900 if i can avoid it
Nov 08 13:31:41 <Macer> sucks up too much power
Nov 08 13:33:39 <psychologe> a question,,how to use python judge call state ? has someone can tell me!
Nov 08 13:50:28 <SpeedEvil> Meh.
Nov 08 13:50:40 <SpeedEvil> nokia can't fix my n900, so I'm getting an E7.
Nov 08 13:51:12 <Corsac> sure, exactly the same thing
Nov 08 13:51:21 <Corsac> ask for an n9, at least?
Nov 08 13:51:28 <SpeedEvil> I did.
Nov 08 13:51:31 <SpeedEvil> No joy.
Nov 08 13:51:36 <hiemanshu> in warranty?
Nov 08 13:52:00 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 08 13:52:07 <hiemanshu> mine isnt in warranty :/
Nov 08 13:52:24 <SpeedEvil> So I'm going to be doing the ebay+ebay thing
Nov 08 13:52:25 <hiemanshu> usb broke the day I was going to solder it
Nov 08 13:52:49 <SpeedEvil> My touchpanel, and modem were dodgy.
Nov 08 13:53:02 <SpeedEvil> Otherwise, I would have soldered it.
Nov 08 13:55:41 <SpeedEvil> Still got backup n900 anyway.
Nov 08 13:57:59 <Macer> i think i will open this one soon enough to try to ensure it sticks
Nov 08 13:58:20 <Macer> so far i have been babying the port
Nov 08 13:58:52 <SpeedEvil> I need to make my right-angle cable.
Nov 08 13:58:54 <SpeedEvil> I've got the parts.
Nov 08 14:00:23 <Macer> right angle cable?
Nov 08 14:00:42 <Macer> make a damn charging pad battery
Nov 08 14:00:43 <SpeedEvil> A cable that protrudes ~5mm from the n900
Nov 08 14:00:44 <Macer> lol
Nov 08 14:01:32 <Macer> oh. for the broken usb one?
Nov 08 14:01:51 <Macer> or for the working one to keep the port safe?
Nov 08 14:02:03 <SpeedEvil> Working.
Nov 08 14:02:11 <SpeedEvil> And to make it more convenient to use on charge.
Nov 08 14:02:53 <Macer> ansd safer?
Nov 08 14:02:55 <Macer> :)
Nov 08 14:02:57 <Macer> and
Nov 08 14:06:20 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 08 14:34:39 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: \o/
Nov 08 14:34:41 <DocScrutinizer> hi!
Nov 08 14:34:48 <javispedro> hi
Nov 08 14:40:38 <MohammadAG> Going to check out that subsidizing idea I had in mind in a bit
Nov 08 14:40:53 <MohammadAG> Something deep inside me isn't convinced I should get an iPhon
Nov 08 14:40:54 <MohammadAG> e
Nov 08 14:42:02 <SpeedEvil> Have customs decided to explode your n950 yet?
Nov 08 14:42:06 <LaoLang_cool> Which version of emmc is the latest?
Nov 08 14:44:45 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, still thinking how many grams of explosives it needs
Nov 08 14:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> err, there's not been a new one after second version as of ~1 year ago
Nov 08 14:46:29 <LaoLang_cool> How do you guys turn the n900 screen off? By doble click power key or slide the lock key?
Nov 08 14:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> #2
Nov 08 14:46:40 <SpeedEvil> slide
Nov 08 14:46:52 <SpeedEvil> So often that my lock key nub got worn off.
Nov 08 14:47:02 <LaoLang_cool> oh, I think that key is hard to slide
Nov 08 14:47:12 <SpeedEvil> you need to use your fingernail
Nov 08 14:47:16 <SpeedEvil> then it works well
Nov 08 14:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Nov 08 14:47:25 <SpeedEvil> trying with the finger doesn't work.
Nov 08 14:47:33 <LaoLang_cool> I should tran myself
Nov 08 14:47:44 <LaoLang_cool> train
Nov 08 14:47:57 <DocScrutinizer> ooh I thought tran as in tranny
Nov 08 14:48:00 <LaoLang_cool> How to know which version of eMMC I'm using?
Nov 08 14:48:11 <LaoLang_cool> sorry for my broken English ;p
Nov 08 14:48:51 <MohammadAG> doesn't really matter as long as you're on PR1.3.1 with no problems
Nov 08 14:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> hah, simply assume you're not using the 2 year old PR1.0 compatible version
Nov 08 14:50:16 <LaoLang_cool> I've reflashed with the pr1.3, but find that the default repository doesn't contain the extra repo, is it ok? I've read that "The Extras repository is pre-configured on the N900 and listed as maemo.org and is enabled by default in PR1.1." in maemo wiki.
Nov 08 14:50:56 <javispedro> MohammadAG, your N950 is still lost? how dutiful of them
Nov 08 14:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> FSCK, sth's flooding my PC syslog :-S
Nov 08 14:51:20 <MohammadAG> javispedro, yeah
Nov 08 14:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> Nov  8 15:50:16 halley kernel: [13178206.310393] ACPI Error (psparse-0537): Method parse/execution failed [\_SB_.BAT0._BST] (Node f5c41590), AE_TIME
Nov 08 14:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> Nov  8 15:50:16 halley kernel: [13178206.310435] ACPI Exception: AE_TIME, Evaluating _BST 20090521 battery-385
Nov 08 14:51:28 <LaoLang_cool> ok, I've found that maemo.org is the extra repo
Nov 08 14:51:32 <MohammadAG> javispedro, my bill's about 150 bucks, thinking of getting an iPhone
Nov 08 14:51:44 <javispedro> A BILL?
Nov 08 14:51:54 <javispedro> what you need now is a lawyer
Nov 08 14:52:04 <MohammadAG> err, operator's bill
Nov 08 14:52:08 <javispedro> aah
Nov 08 14:52:11 <RST38h> EHLO JAVISPEDRO
Nov 08 14:52:21 <javispedro> helo RST38h 
Nov 08 14:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> abill?
Nov 08 14:52:33 <DocScrutinizer> :-o
Nov 08 14:52:35 <andre__> LaoLang_cool, maybe an unintended change.
Nov 08 14:52:40 <andre__> ah.
Nov 08 14:52:46 <MohammadAG> getting an iPhone lowers it to 50 bucks
Nov 08 14:52:55 <LaoLang_cool> yes
Nov 08 14:52:57 <MohammadAG> so I might get one and find DocScrutinizer's home address
Nov 08 14:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> oh, you're sending me a cryPhone for vivisection?
Nov 08 15:09:51 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, anything that makes you think Aegis is better
Nov 08 15:10:06 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, so, abuot the MobileSubstrate thing for iOS, you think we can make one for the N900?
Nov 08 15:10:21 <MohammadAG> I like the idea of hooking functions onto system app etc
Nov 08 15:11:01 <trx> MohammadAG what's that, like dll injections?
Nov 08 15:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I haven't completely wrapped my head around it, but it looked *rather* weird
Nov 08 15:14:56 <MohammadAG> trx, injects code into closed apps
Nov 08 15:15:42 <trx> yeah, windows slang is dll injections for that
Nov 08 15:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> trx: it seems to ptch the c(++) function entry code to jump to a "hooked in" patch
Nov 08 15:16:09 <trx> that is actually not hard to do
Nov 08 15:16:14 <trx> if you can read ASM
Nov 08 15:16:37 <DocScrutinizer> it looks silly to me, should be doable in a more generic way, via proper LD_PRELOAD
Nov 08 15:16:48 <DocScrutinizer> and usual symbol override
Nov 08 15:17:17 <DocScrutinizer> unless you got statically linked apps
Nov 08 15:17:34 <trx> exactly
Nov 08 15:21:01 <MohammadAG> if you think bme is bad, you should use an iPod touch
Nov 08 15:21:20 <MohammadAG> charging jumped from 68 to 98
Nov 08 15:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Nov 08 15:38:55 <MohammadAG> unplugged and went out after it charged fully
Nov 08 15:39:01 <MohammadAG> now it's 68%
Nov 08 15:39:02 <MohammadAG> fml
Nov 08 15:41:43 <javispedro> MohammadAG, shut up and get a mac :P
Nov 08 15:41:48 <javispedro> ( ;P )
Nov 08 15:41:59 <MohammadAG> javispedro, eww
Nov 08 15:42:18 <MohammadAG> javispedro, I'm on my way to Orange, gonna see if they give me an iphone
Nov 08 15:42:43 <MohammadAG> I'm paying for more than 3 monthly anyway
Nov 08 15:44:09 <javispedro> hah, I knew it. First an iPod, then an iPhone, then the iPad, and finally the iSteveJobs poster on your bedroom.
Nov 08 15:44:32 <MohammadAG> javispedro, I regret buying the iPod
Nov 08 15:44:43 <MohammadAG> if they give me an iphone that's going away
Nov 08 15:44:49 <MohammadAG> (the iPod that is)
Nov 08 15:45:06 <MohammadAG> no GPS (solved with N900 + columbus but 2x battery usage on both devices)
Nov 08 15:45:32 <MohammadAG> 256MBs of RAM; not that it multitasks but having apps in memory is useful as on the iphone
Nov 08 15:45:46 <MohammadAG> crappy bluetooth stack crashes car audio system
Nov 08 15:46:03 <MohammadAG> no turn by turn navi
Nov 08 15:47:01 * lardman wonders how well the voice recog works on the iPhone 4S
Nov 08 15:47:18 <lardman> E.g. does "What's on this arvo?" return anything?
Nov 08 16:15:28 <pwnguin> i have no idea what the device lock code is, and i'd like to change it to something i know
Nov 08 16:15:58 <pwnguin> do i need to reflash the firmware, or is there an easier method?
Nov 08 16:16:49 <psycho_oreos> is the device still unlocked and is this N900 you're referring to?
Nov 08 16:17:00 <pwnguin> oh yea, its unlocked and an 900
Nov 08 16:17:14 <pwnguin> i dont recall ever setting a pin, but i suppose its possible
Nov 08 16:17:56 <psycho_oreos> there's a thread by qwerty12 on changing the device lock. There's also ways to obtain the key as well, though the key is encrypted
Nov 08 16:18:06 <pwnguin> with what?
Nov 08 16:19:07 <psycho_oreos> qwerty12 wrote a program to change device lock, and to obtain the key, its mentioned in the thread, to get it the combination you need something like john the ripper
Nov 08 16:19:18 <pwnguin> heh
Nov 08 16:19:28 <pwnguin> the code was already 12345
Nov 08 16:21:00 <pwnguin> lucky me
Nov 08 16:21:07 <psycho_oreos> it doesn't take long for john to obtain the plaintext combination, with a reasonable computer these days it only takes matter of seconds to break it. Plus the combination consists of only numeric numbers, so really you're dealing with 10^9
Nov 08 16:21:43 <Macer> wow
Nov 08 16:21:49 <Macer> this vkb in maemo is pretty bad
Nov 08 16:22:04 <psycho_oreos> -_-
Nov 08 16:22:13 <psycho_oreos> like as if that was ever news
Nov 08 16:22:17 <Macer> sending a txt or im or sms you have to type and then tap to make it go away
Nov 08 16:22:24 <Macer> er
Nov 08 16:22:36 <pwnguin> yea, i bought my mom a tmobile g2 (desire z?)
Nov 08 16:22:45 <Macer> said that wrong
Nov 08 16:23:01 <Macer> pwnguin: it is a piece of shit
Nov 08 16:23:10 <Macer> it will fall apart in 3 months
Nov 08 16:23:18 <pwnguin> its lasted a year thus far
Nov 08 16:23:27 <Macer> lol
Nov 08 16:23:36 <Macer> mine lasted 8 or 9 months
Nov 08 16:23:37 <pwnguin> the keyboard is pretty nice
Nov 08 16:23:50 <pwnguin> the hinge may not be
Nov 08 16:24:00 <Macer> is there a way to get conversations to send on vkb enter?
Nov 08 16:24:21 <Macer> vkb <enter>
Nov 08 16:26:22 <Macer> has anybody tried the maliit vkb?
Nov 08 16:33:59 <frals> Gizmokid2005: pong
Nov 08 16:39:34 <Macer> i wish n900 had the stylus keyboard from maemo4
Nov 08 16:39:44 <Macer> that thing was rather tolerable
Nov 08 16:40:24 <Macer> this piece of junk is horrible
Nov 08 16:40:44 <ijb> quick question: is there an updated version of telepathy-sofiasip? version 0.6.2-0maemo4+0m5 provides wrong SDP headers when the device is connected to multiple networks. 
Nov 08 16:41:18 <Macer> at least hitting enter for xterm removes the vkb and sends txt
Nov 08 16:45:10 <psycho_oreos> there are other SMS services out there, maybe even chat programs that will handle enter as it is under xterm
Nov 08 16:53:46 <MohammadAG> k, they're out of iphones and I need my dad with me to transfer the line from his ID to mine
Nov 08 16:53:54 <MohammadAG> oh well, got some headphones anyway
Nov 08 17:04:16 <Estel_> I got strange problem with Dosbox, lately... When trying to use it with output=overlay, it segfaults just after dosbox logo, with following errors in logs:
Nov 08 17:04:19 <Estel_> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
Nov 08 17:04:36 <Estel_> ALSA:Can't open sequencer
Nov 08 17:04:48 <Estel_> MIDI:Opened device:none
Nov 08 17:05:22 <Estel_> the weird thing is, that it worked with same settings a month or two ago, and dosbox wasn't updated meantime (for Maemo)
Nov 08 17:06:13 <Estel_> I thought it's sound related, but tweaking or disabling sound emulation doesnt help. When i use it with output=surface, it works, so it is something display-related...
Nov 08 17:06:40 <Estel_> Ho ever, output=surface doesn't scale, so every dosbox game/program is very tiny
Nov 08 17:07:12 <Estel_> with output=overlay I can't start dosbox, no matter of other settings, due to following errors
Nov 08 17:07:22 <Estel_> mentioned* not following
Nov 08 17:07:28 <Estel_> any ideas, anyone?
Nov 08 17:08:45 <Estel_> especially, the "ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory" makes me wonder, what the heck does it have to do with output=overlay
Nov 08 17:10:11 <Estel_> is it possible that kernel update or CSSU update changed something? can anyone with dosbox, kp48 or CSSU confirm/deny this whole "open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory" thing, when running dosbox with output=overlay?
Nov 08 17:10:30 <Estel_> thanks in advance for any ideas.
Nov 08 17:16:34 <DocScrutinizer> psyyou recently tried the john for lockcode?
Nov 08 17:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> meh he's gone
Nov 08 17:17:52 <DocScrutinizer> pwnguin: actually lucky you, iirc they changed lockcode implementation with 1.2 or 1.3, so this lil hack doesn't work anymore
Nov 08 18:17:41 <Gizmokid2005> frals: pingpong?
Nov 08 18:29:55 <ferenc> hi, anybody here from the Maemo Council?
Nov 08 19:02:46 <neal> q~.
Nov 08 19:07:58 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: guess, what! :-// my laptop fan sounds like a lawn mower
Nov 08 19:08:56 <DocScrutinizer> well, never clean a running system :-(
Nov 08 19:09:03 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Nov 08 19:46:55 <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/0LGcf.jpg  :( 
Nov 08 21:15:16 <Macer> damn
Nov 08 21:15:39 <Macer> N900 battery took a nose dive shortly after turning on the wifi
Nov 08 21:15:52 <Macer> went from 25% to 1
Nov 08 21:16:12 <Macer> the battery eye graph went straight down
Nov 08 21:18:06 <luke-jr> :D
Nov 08 21:21:52 <SpeedEvil> Does your router porperly implement powersaving - and is this turned on in the netowrok conneciton?
Nov 08 22:15:06 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, mine sounds like a graveyard
Nov 09 00:54:43 <LaoLang_cool> after apt-get, a warning: GPG error, how to solve it?
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