**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 09 02:59:57 2011
Nov 09 03:33:48 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Nov 09 03:56:03 <Guest40473> i've had terrible luck searching up a solution to this
Nov 09 03:56:22 <Guest40473> google.com maps desktop/mobile site just displays grey space on n900
Nov 09 03:56:42 <Guest40473> cannot see map tiles, this happens with microB or firefox, both on 3g and home wifi
Nov 09 03:57:08 <Guest40473> all i see are 2009 forums posts that are like: "oh wow, google.com maps works great!1"
Nov 09 04:19:39 <luke-jr> Guest40473: wfm
Nov 09 05:06:15 <SpeedEvil> wfm2
Nov 09 05:19:03 <Guest40473> ?
Nov 09 05:19:11 <Guest40473> oh,
Nov 09 05:19:30 <Guest40473> never worked for me.
Nov 09 05:22:38 <Guest40473> that is useful information, though.
Nov 09 05:22:48 <SpeedEvil> Hmm.
Nov 09 05:23:14 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if it's a DNS issue.
Nov 09 05:23:36 <SpeedEvil> But for it to be on 3G and wifi...
Nov 09 05:25:38 <Guest40473> that is what always made me think it was a google/browser issue
Nov 09 05:26:05 <Guest40473> i was quite surprised when firefox did not work either, though.
Nov 09 05:27:42 <SpeedEvil> I'd try wget
Nov 09 05:29:04 <SpeedEvil> Can you load http://mt0.google.com/vt/lyrs=h@163000000&hl=en&x=16100&s=&y=10169&z=15&s=Galil
Nov 09 05:29:29 <SpeedEvil> or any tile image if you copy the url
Nov 09 05:29:33 <SpeedEvil> from a desktop
Nov 09 05:30:15 <Guest40473> may have to wireshark this.
Nov 09 06:11:02 <Macer> so is faster app manager going to ever be the default?
Nov 09 06:21:36 <Macer> word
Nov 09 06:21:45 <Macer> back on the transformer :)
Nov 09 06:22:02 <Macer> hope this damn bl-5j battery charger shows up some time soon
Nov 09 06:27:43 <ShadowJK> probably not, it doesn't handle some things
Nov 09 06:29:31 <Macer> ah ok
Nov 09 06:29:42 <Macer> just thought it was a lot nicer considering you can do batch installs
Nov 09 06:29:47 <Macer> which comes in handy :)
Nov 09 06:30:14 <woldrich> comes in handy...
Nov 09 06:31:15 <woldrich> not being able to install more than one application at a time is just retarded. I know that even dpkg, as retarded as it might be, can do that
Nov 09 06:32:01 <LaoLang_cool> How about maemo 5 community pr? Are you using it?
Nov 09 06:32:08 <Macer> the interface is nicer as well
Nov 09 06:32:19 <Macer> in faster app manager
Nov 09 06:35:21 <kerio> not to mention it has the best name ever
Nov 09 06:35:27 <Macer> haha
Nov 09 06:35:28 <LaoLang_cool> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 09 06:35:41 <Macer> kerio: yeah... that's what makes it special
Nov 09 06:35:42 <LaoLang_cool> Is it recommended?
Nov 09 06:35:52 <kerio> LaoLang_cool: sure, why not
Nov 09 06:37:12 <LaoLang_cool> kerio: Is it still under active development? I heard that the community update makes OS more smoothy and speedy and power saving, is it true?
Nov 09 06:40:34 <Macer> :) 
Nov 09 06:40:40 <Macer> i wouldn't say power saving heh
Nov 09 06:40:49 <Macer> but then again power is relative to use
Nov 09 06:41:23 <LaoLang_cool> Macer: I mean in the same condition of course :)
Nov 09 06:51:19 <ShadowJK> I imagine if you use catorise or similar it'll use less power as the hildon-desktop bug with that has been fixed
Nov 09 06:54:54 <LaoLang_cool> Ah, I use the native GUI, so it won't have such issue
Nov 09 07:05:37 <madkickers> i have installed mysocials but it doesn't support facebook while in its page it says it is for services like facebook
Nov 09 07:07:01 <cehteh> ask for your money back
Nov 09 07:07:38 <madkickers> what?
Nov 09 07:08:24 <woldrich> there are services that's like facebook that's not facebook
Nov 09 07:09:40 <madkickers> woldrich: of course.but pictures of the application in the garage say somethin else. and if u dont know the answer please dont waste my time.tnx
Nov 09 07:10:04 <woldrich> uh, ok
Nov 09 07:11:30 <Macer> yawn
Nov 09 07:11:40 <Macer> raining
Nov 09 07:45:14 <Macer> damnit
Nov 09 07:45:17 <Macer> yeah i have to edit the keymap
Nov 09 07:46:36 <Macer> damnit
Nov 09 07:46:47 <Macer> i have to remember where i am supposed to edit it :) i will figure it out later
Nov 09 07:47:15 <Macer> i wish su8w was listed in extkbd
Nov 09 08:03:09 <Macer> damnit
Nov 09 08:03:31 <Macer> i cn't find the page that explained what i need to put into the symbols file to make it so return works on my su8w with the phone closed
Nov 09 08:18:19 <Macer> argh!
Nov 09 08:28:52 <Macer> ok
Nov 09 08:28:56 <Macer> got it :)
Nov 09 08:29:08 <Macer> they seriously need to change that in the extkbd pkg
Nov 09 08:29:10 <Macer> heh
Nov 09 08:29:24 <Macer> or at least make it so it changes it on itÅ´´´´
Nov 09 08:29:38 <Macer> oh wtf
Nov 09 08:29:48 <Macer> damnit
Nov 09 08:35:46 <Macer> it´s
Nov 09 08:35:52 <Macer> ok that is kind of odd
Nov 09 08:35:55 <Macer> ¨
Nov 09 08:36:07 <Macer> those two keys are acting weird
Nov 09 08:36:15 <Macer> i have to double tap them to get them to work
Nov 09 08:36:18 <Macer> ´ ¨
Nov 09 08:37:12 <Macer> ´
Nov 09 08:39:19 <Macer> ok fixed... awesome :) and people say that you can't use an su8w with an n900
Nov 09 08:39:26 <Macer> works like a champ now... 
Nov 09 08:45:17 <Macer> need to run backupmenu again so the world doesn't end lmao
Nov 09 08:45:38 <Macer> at least i think i have it hardwired into my brain how it is done. i remember me taking twice as long to fix this last time
Nov 09 08:51:28 <tramp> Is there another XLS spreadsheet viewer besides "Documents to Go". I went through the but didn't find one.
Nov 09 08:51:54 <tramp> s/through the/through the list/
Nov 09 08:51:54 <infobot> tramp meant: Is there another XLS spreadsheet viewer besides "Documents to Go". I went through the list but didn't find one.
Nov 09 09:00:22 <Macer> i am a little confused.. why does putting the gvoice plugin in "away" mode save battery?
Nov 09 09:02:40 <Macer> damn. i need to get the video encoding script 
Nov 09 09:22:05 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, Nokia replied to my MIA N950 email
Nov 09 09:24:19 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: they are sending another one for you?
Nov 09 09:25:10 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, cause I totally need another device stuck in customs
Nov 09 09:25:41 <hiemanshu> MohammadAG: what are they gonna do then?
Nov 09 09:26:58 <MohammadAG> hiemanshu, whatever they can do to get it to me
Nov 09 09:27:02 <MohammadAG> or sue Israel I guess
Nov 09 09:30:07 <MohammadAG> they contacted DHL and CC'd me
Nov 09 09:31:21 <Macer> you're in israel?
Nov 09 09:32:24 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 09 09:35:32 <Macer> damn. mencoder only uses one thread .. lame
Nov 09 09:36:23 <Macer> israeli or palenstinian?
Nov 09 09:37:30 <MohammadAG> the name gives a hint you know :p
Nov 09 09:37:44 <MohammadAG> but I don't live in the Palestinian Territories
Nov 09 09:39:01 <jaska> mossad wanted one 
Nov 09 09:44:50 <vdv> !sysroot
Nov 09 09:50:50 <jonwil> ok, I have a 1.25ltr bottle of Coca-Cola, some really nice dark chocolate, a nice long todo list and nothing else going on tonight. Tonight I do N900 hacking like I have never done before :)
Nov 09 09:52:20 <jonwil> I am going to continue my work on the N900 vkb stuff, investigate the osso-backup encrypted backup format and look into all the closed source browser plugins and add-ins currently installed on my N900 (nokia maps, media player etc)
Nov 09 09:52:44 <tramp> MohammadAG: Why are they holding your phone? Suspected spying?
Nov 09 09:53:25 <MohammadAG> tramp, nope, they're just being retarded
Nov 09 09:53:40 <MohammadAG> there's no reason, they say it's going to be released tomorrow everday
Nov 09 09:53:46 <MohammadAG> they've been saying that for a month now
Nov 09 09:53:48 <jonwil> I am also going to look at the Nokia Maps HTML (in conjunction with the plugins) and see if its possible to write some code and HTML/JS to render Google Transit GTFS data (such as that put out by my local transit operator) in Nokia Maps
Nov 09 09:55:21 <jonwil> I may end up pulling an all-nighter on this one :P
Nov 09 09:55:44 <tramp> Macer: I don't know about gvoice, but Conversations and Contacts saves battery when away by not querying the server.
Nov 09 09:57:34 <tramp> MohammadAG: Maybe they found your unusual porno collection
Nov 09 09:57:55 <MohammadAG> tramp, on a new device? Nokia ships that? cool
Nov 09 09:58:35 <tramp> Only if personally requested.
Nov 09 09:59:28 <tramp> ;)
Nov 09 09:59:57 <tramp> jonwil: Did you have any luck reversing those functions?
Nov 09 10:00:15 <tramp> *function prototypes
Nov 09 10:01:03 <tramp> jp MohammadAG, so you're from Israel?
Nov 09 10:01:14 <MohammadAG> yeah
Nov 09 10:01:32 <jonwil> Still working on the libimlayout stuff
Nov 09 10:01:41 <tramp> How is it going over there?
Nov 09 10:02:18 <MohammadAG> same as always, not as bad as the media shows it
Nov 09 10:02:27 <MohammadAG> at least in Israeli parts, I'm in Haifa, uni dorms
Nov 09 10:04:32 <tramp> MohammadAG: Cool, what is up with what I hear about USA policy changing with Israel?
Nov 09 10:06:00 <tramp> From what I gather we've always been tight, but our administration is getting complacent
Nov 09 10:06:11 <tramp> ...now
Nov 09 10:07:12 <jonwil> I think there is a lot of pressure from Arab countries and others against Israel and the US to meet Palestine in the middle and accept that a 100% independent Palestine is the only viable outcome of the peace process
Nov 09 10:08:36 <tramp> 100% independent? Does Israel threaten their independence?
Nov 09 10:08:52 <jonwil> They are not independent right now
Nov 09 10:08:57 <jonwil> They are fighting for statehood
Nov 09 10:09:19 <petteri> maybe stay on topic here 
Nov 09 10:09:49 <Macer> tramp: so... it stops polling?
Nov 09 10:10:06 <Macer> that sucks. for that you should just disconnect
Nov 09 10:10:19 <Macer> if it doesnt poll for new txts
Nov 09 10:10:26 <tramp> Macer: no
Nov 09 10:11:12 <tramp> Macer: Sometimes i want to be online while saving as much batt as possoble
Nov 09 10:11:39 <tramp> when im 'Away' that means dont text me :)
Nov 09 10:13:26 <tramp> MohammadAG: Well I'll to look into more but I'm sure it's bs
Nov 09 10:14:05 <MohammadAG> look into what?
Nov 09 10:14:40 <Macer> tramp: maybe if away changed the polling
Nov 09 10:14:43 <tramp> Palestinian independence
Nov 09 10:14:46 <Macer> that might be better
Nov 09 10:15:05 <Macer> ie: change it from 1 min to once an hour when "away"
Nov 09 10:15:08 <MohammadAG> it's not indepdant right now
Nov 09 10:15:11 <tramp> and why they want it
Nov 09 10:16:07 <tramp> once and hour or 30 minutes would be good
Nov 09 10:16:24 <Macer> MohammadAG: lol!
Nov 09 10:16:37 <Macer> sorry.. didnt see that. yeah. figured palenstine
Nov 09 10:17:15 <Macer> hey.. you never know.. a jew could name their child mohammad some day 
Nov 09 10:17:40 <tramp> huh?
Nov 09 10:17:58 <Macer> earlier.. i asked where he was in israel 
Nov 09 10:18:00 <psycho_oreos> I've heard Mohammad is a very common name in Arabic countries. Much like the name John is in the western world :þ
Nov 09 10:18:04 <Macer> and i asked him just because his name
Nov 09 10:18:12 <tramp> is palestine jewish?
Nov 09 10:18:15 <Macer> psycho_oreos: very common is an understatement
Nov 09 10:18:18 <Macer> no
Nov 09 10:18:19 <Macer> muslim
Nov 09 10:18:28 <Macer> usually :)
Nov 09 10:18:46 <psycho_oreos> Macer, not really, its simplified
Nov 09 10:19:13 <Macer> that is like the name David amongst the jews
Nov 09 10:19:37 <HaXeri> Israeli is jewish
Nov 09 10:19:41 <HaXeri> others are Muslim
Nov 09 10:19:45 <Macer> HaXeri: not really
Nov 09 10:19:52 <tramp> or the name Macer among nuisances
Nov 09 10:19:56 <Macer> i am sure you don't HAVE to be a jew to live in israel 
Nov 09 10:20:12 <Macer> there might be a few christians here and there 
Nov 09 10:20:14 <HaXeri> yes there are also christian
Nov 09 10:20:24 <Macer> judaism is a religion not a race
Nov 09 10:20:38 <tramp> there are christians everywhere, even in korea
Nov 09 10:20:40 <Macer> i never understood that about people referring israelis as "jews"
Nov 09 10:20:56 <Macer> granted the majority of the population is jewish.. but not all of it
Nov 09 10:20:58 <tramp> well...korean prisons and execution lines
Nov 09 10:21:02 <Macer> it would be like the world calling americans christians 
Nov 09 10:21:08 <Macer> just because the majority of americans are christian
Nov 09 10:21:19 <Macer> tramp: only north america
Nov 09 10:21:22 <Macer> er
Nov 09 10:21:23 <Macer> korea
Nov 09 10:21:27 <Macer> freudian slip
Nov 09 10:21:47 <HaXeri> korea is the best q:D and nihon
Nov 09 10:21:54 <psycho_oreos> You know, we should start renaming this channel #chat
Nov 09 10:22:03 <Macer> that's so cool.. i ghave been using my bluetooth keyboard on my n900 this entire time
Nov 09 10:22:04 <tramp> thanks, i didnt want to type that on this little kbd
Nov 09 10:22:11 <Macer> for some reason it seems to work  perfect on the n900 
Nov 09 10:22:26 <Macer> ont he n810 it had some wierd repeat problem
Nov 09 10:22:43 <Macer> oh wow... it doesn't repeat at all lol.. i guess that is a good way to fix it 
Nov 09 10:22:46 <tramp> if i had a bt kbd id use it all the time
Nov 09 10:22:46 <HaXeri> 3>2011 >uses n810
Nov 09 10:23:01 <tramp> i have usb, so cant use while charging
Nov 09 10:23:01 <Macer> i still have my n810
Nov 09 10:23:20 <Macer> when i order my synology diskstation i am getting a mini sd adapter for it and turning it into a low power server
Nov 09 10:23:35 <Macer> i was hoping to use debian if i can get it to run on the thing bare metal
Nov 09 10:23:46 <Macer> i don't want to use a maemo chroot
Nov 09 10:23:57 <HaXeri> what are you going to do with a low power server?
Nov 09 10:24:06 <Macer> named.. shells.. irssi
Nov 09 10:24:07 <HaXeri> VPS costs ~11£
Nov 09 10:24:37 <HaXeri> *VPN
Nov 09 10:24:42 <tramp> jonwil: You can paste me the dasm and i can look at that
Nov 09 10:24:51 <Macer> it's for the home
Nov 09 10:25:00 <HaXeri> only reason yo have a homeserver would be survelliance system or warez
Nov 09 10:25:04 <Macer> i am replacing a huge server with a synology and an n810
Nov 09 10:25:15 <Macer> or a home office :-P
Nov 09 10:25:25 <Macer> with numerous clients and employees connecting to it
Nov 09 10:25:26 <Macer> lol
Nov 09 10:25:49 <tramp> Anyone know of a better app than DocsToGo for viewing Excel xls files
Nov 09 10:25:54 <Macer> i want to eliminate the power whore of a server tho tha eats up 300W constantly
Nov 09 10:26:18 <Macer> and replace it with a synology that uses 30W max but still provides the same amount of space 
Nov 09 10:26:33 <Macer> usign 4x3TB vs 8x1TB
Nov 09 10:26:40 <Macer> using
Nov 09 10:26:54 <Sicelo> tramp: gnumeric. or Oo if u have Easy Debian
Nov 09 10:27:15 <Macer> i never did get cups workign on the n900
Nov 09 10:27:19 <Macer> that is the only thing missing
Nov 09 10:27:20 <tramp> derp Oo ofc
Nov 09 10:27:32 <Macer> cups and abiword and gnumeric that can print directly 
Nov 09 10:27:35 <tramp> is gnumeric faster than Oo?
Nov 09 10:27:50 <Macer> yes
Nov 09 10:28:36 <tramp> Oo is great for power, but i need a faster app for most tasks
Nov 09 10:29:11 <Macer> i've never used a chroot on the n900 but i am sure it still runs like shit :)
Nov 09 10:29:38 <tramp> i was about to figure out how to print arbitrarily from the cli and then i bricked it
Nov 09 10:29:54 <tramp> chroot runs great
Nov 09 10:30:05 <Macer> you bricked it??
Nov 09 10:30:06 <tramp> Oo is slow on its own
Nov 09 10:30:29 <Macer> fair point
Nov 09 10:30:33 <tramp> Macer: I did something unrelated and had to reflash
Nov 09 10:30:44 <Macer> oh
Nov 09 10:30:57 <Macer> that's not bricking it then
Nov 09 10:31:16 <tramp> couldnt think of another 5 letter word
Nov 09 10:31:36 <tramp> all this tapping hurts
Nov 09 10:31:37 <Macer> broke
Nov 09 10:31:46 <Macer> tapping?
Nov 09 10:31:58 <tramp> brick was more specific
Nov 09 10:32:07 <Macer> i wish someone would port the stylus keyboard to the n900
Nov 09 10:32:07 <tramp> im using the n900 kbd
Nov 09 10:32:26 <tramp> stylus kbd?
Nov 09 10:32:31 <Macer> at least that worked rather well... the thumb keyboard on the n900 is awful
Nov 09 10:32:47 <psycho_oreos> vkbd I'm guessing in other words
Nov 09 10:32:49 <tramp> whats wrong with it?
Nov 09 10:32:51 <Macer> yes. the one frome maemo4
Nov 09 10:33:05 <tramp> i can type this fast with it
Nov 09 10:33:22 <Macer> lol.. that doesn't really show me how fast you are typing when it is just a line of txt that pops up on irc
Nov 09 10:33:30 <tramp> it only hurts after flaming 5 or so boards
Nov 09 10:33:33 <Macer> not to mention the fact that hitting enter on conversations makes a new line
Nov 09 10:33:42 <tramp> hehe
Nov 09 10:33:44 <Macer> instead of close keyboard and send
Nov 09 10:34:11 <Macer> so you hgave to type... then tap the top to get rid of the vkb.. then hit the send button
Nov 09 10:34:18 <Macer> that is retarded :)
Nov 09 10:34:35 <tramp> when i had a vkbd on droid it sucked when it wouldnt respond instantly
Nov 09 10:34:45 <Macer> it is why the vkb on mine is perm disabled.. but then again.. now it has to be because i have it set up for my bt keyboard
Nov 09 10:34:56 <tramp> a phys kbd always reaponds
Nov 09 10:34:56 <Macer> so I removed KPEN from the symbols 
Nov 09 10:35:03 <Macer> so i can hit enter while the phone is closed 
Nov 09 10:35:59 <Macer> hm... let me see if i can throw a picture up somewhere...
Nov 09 10:36:39 <tramp> i dont understand how a vkbd can be better than a phys kbd
Nov 09 10:41:31 <MohammadAG> anyone know what the best way of setting up internet in the car is?
Nov 09 10:41:41 <MohammadAG> I was thinking of getting a rechargable MiFi router
Nov 09 10:43:08 <psycho_oreos> yeah those can be easily found. I think Huawei makes those small handheld MiFi router with wireless capability and internal batteries
Nov 09 10:43:45 <psycho_oreos> it also goes by USB -> microUSB port so if you got a ciggy lighter -> USB adapter you can charge it up as you drive along I suppose
Nov 09 10:44:38 <MohammadAG> any ideas if I can add another ciggy lighter?
Nov 09 10:44:40 <MohammadAG> one isn't enough :p
Nov 09 10:44:55 <psycho_oreos> yeah you can, by buying a `hub' so to speak
Nov 09 10:45:29 <psycho_oreos> You can get one of those ciggy lighters hub that gives you two, three or even four ciggy lighters port
Nov 09 10:45:35 <MohammadAG> really?
Nov 09 10:46:15 <MohammadAG> I have 2x microUSB charger
Nov 09 10:46:22 <psycho_oreos> yup
Nov 09 10:46:23 <MohammadAG> currently I use it to charge the iPod and N900
Nov 09 10:46:24 <psycho_oreos> I got one in me car, one ciggy lighter -> three ciggy lighters
Nov 09 10:46:47 <MohammadAG> if I get a mifi router that's joikuspot gone
Nov 09 10:46:53 <MohammadAG> but I still need GPS in the iPod
Nov 09 10:47:07 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, mind pointing me at one?
Nov 09 10:47:14 <tramp> why do you have both an iphone and n900?
Nov 09 10:47:17 <psycho_oreos> two individual microUSB chargers? or one of those fancy iPad type chargers with two USB ports on it?
Nov 09 10:47:32 <MohammadAG> iPod
Nov 09 10:47:33 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I only know of local (.au) site but sure, lemme dig it up
Nov 09 10:47:38 <MohammadAG> because I need its apps, mainly Waze
Nov 09 10:47:40 <tramp> i just saw that
Nov 09 10:47:45 <jonwil> What sort of car do you have?
Nov 09 10:47:53 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, latter
Nov 09 10:47:55 <Macer> http://tech.rancorous.net/2011/11/09/nokia-n900-with-nokia-su-8w/
Nov 09 10:48:00 <MohammadAG> jonwil, VW Golf
Nov 09 10:48:09 <MohammadAG> '00
Nov 09 10:48:20 <Macer> i will finish that later when i take sscreen shots etc
Nov 09 10:48:25 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, heh I'd love to just buy that sort of head by itself :D
Nov 09 10:48:47 * jonwil hates German cars :P
Nov 09 10:48:47 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, that's how I got it
Nov 09 10:48:49 <Macer> damn... i didn't even see if ther was a wordpress app for maemo lol
Nov 09 10:48:54 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/3-Way-Car-Port-Cigarette-Socket-Adapter-Hub-USB-950-/120616202085
Nov 09 10:48:55 * MohammadAG hates Japanese cars
Nov 09 10:49:07 <MohammadAG> lovely tech, unstable on the road
Nov 09 10:49:12 <jonwil> Can anyone suggest which of these http://pastebin.com/pfGHXMT7 I should work on first?
Nov 09 10:50:15 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I know, but I'm in need for that sort of adapter heads. Its not handy to have 3 individual USB chargers for 3 N900 for instance when I want to plug things like GTech Pro and maybe even my old phone
Nov 09 10:50:23 <Macer> omg
Nov 09 10:50:36 <Macer> is that.. an actual official wordpress app for maemo ? :)
Nov 09 10:51:10 <psycho_oreos> jonwil, I'd personally vote for number 3 on that list. I could imagine that would go off with a hit if you do succeed.
Nov 09 10:51:48 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, http://www.myinnergie.com/mCubeDC10/Default.aspx
Nov 09 10:51:50 <Macer> i agree
Nov 09 10:52:05 <Macer> having a google maps supported nav app for maemo would be great
Nov 09 10:52:15 <MohammadAG> iPod cable not included, so you're safe :p
Nov 09 10:52:21 <Macer> considering ovi maps is so absolutely horrible.. i still can't figure out how to use it
Nov 09 10:52:23 <MohammadAG> Macer, ++
Nov 09 10:52:34 <MohammadAG> Mappero's good for routing, not sure about navi
Nov 09 10:52:46 <MohammadAG> the iPhone app is awesome, no turn by turn so you have to keep looking
Nov 09 10:52:49 <Macer> i have been trying to figure out forever how to use ovimaps 
Nov 09 10:52:55 <MohammadAG> Waze is perfect for me
Nov 09 10:53:05 <MohammadAG> I wish they'd make a maemo/meego version
Nov 09 10:53:19 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, 10W?!?!? holy #&$*%$@!! I might as well hook a hub off one of those port and have 3 N900 plus N95-1 on that same hub lol. Thanks for the link :D Also did you check my link before?
Nov 09 10:53:49 <psycho_oreos> and I also personally own an iPod as well, it was me dad's gift lol
Nov 09 10:54:09 <MohammadAG> heh
Nov 09 10:54:20 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, yeah, I'm not sure where to put it in the golf though
Nov 09 10:54:23 <jonwil> I think I will finish some testing for #1 to finish the libimlayout stuff if I can, then I will work on reverse engineering browser stuff
Nov 09 10:54:25 <psycho_oreos> old iPod mind you, 5.5G (video)
Nov 09 10:54:32 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, hmm do you have something like a glove box?
Nov 09 10:54:49 <MohammadAG> yeah, but cables won't go in that I guess
Nov 09 10:54:56 <MohammadAG> oh, from the back
Nov 09 10:54:59 <psycho_oreos> nah I'd have cables hanging out
Nov 09 10:55:07 <psycho_oreos> well yeah if you drilled a hole :D
Nov 09 10:55:09 <MohammadAG> makes the car look ugly :p
Nov 09 10:55:23 * jonwil thinks any car named after a sport THAT boring cant be very good :P
Nov 09 10:55:29 <psycho_oreos> jonwil, libimlayout? lemme guess IM messaging like conversations? just curiously
Nov 09 10:55:41 <jonwil> no, im stands for input method
Nov 09 10:55:44 <MohammadAG> I hated the golf before I got my licesne, loved mazdas
Nov 09 10:55:50 <psycho_oreos> well it'd make the car look ugly but *shrugs* hey at least its functional :D
Nov 09 10:55:52 <jonwil> its used to decode the virtual keyboard layout files
Nov 09 10:55:55 <MohammadAG> then I drove one, it slipped at 60-70kmph
Nov 09 10:55:58 <psycho_oreos> jonwil, ahh
Nov 09 10:55:59 <tramp> jonwil: I haven't tried the opera browser yet, but if it's no good I wish the nokia browser was better
Nov 09 10:56:12 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, which mazda was it just out of curiousity?
Nov 09 10:56:13 <MohammadAG> the golf can easily do a turn at 130kmph without a slip
Nov 09 10:56:20 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, Mazda 3 2011
Nov 09 10:56:37 <MohammadAG> a rental
Nov 09 10:56:40 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, eww *shudders* both front wheelers. Spineless cars :D
Nov 09 10:56:48 <psycho_oreos> << abhors front wheelers
Nov 09 10:57:14 <MohammadAG> heh
Nov 09 10:57:21 <MohammadAG> I just love driving the golf
Nov 09 10:57:24 <jonwil> I dont see a reason why it wouldn't be possible to bring a new Gecko version into the N900 MicroB if someone with Gecko knowledge was willing to put in the effort
Nov 09 10:57:53 * psycho_oreos bets timeless probably would but heck, he's not even here let alone probably would care ;)
Nov 09 10:57:54 <jonwil> this http://images-2.drive.com.au/2010/08/04/1745073/Holden_ute_SS-V_m_m.jpg is my dream car
Nov 09 10:58:07 <psycho_oreos> VE :)
Nov 09 10:58:22 <jonwil> That or something really fast and british or italian
Nov 09 11:00:09 <jonwil> Actually, the ultimate car I have seen is a one-off custom job someone did (cant find a picture right now) where they took a partially damaged Jaguar XJ and turned it into a UTE
Nov 09 11:00:15 <jonwil> THAT would be the ultimate car
Nov 09 11:00:58 <tramp> jonwil: It might be helpful if it listed the benefits of each item
Nov 09 11:01:23 <MohammadAG> Golf GTI would be my car, if I had the money for it
Nov 09 11:01:47 <MohammadAG> British cars suck, just watch top gear :p
Nov 09 11:02:10 <tramp> Some of the items we canned automatically just bc we dont know the benefit
Nov 09 11:02:33 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, so you think a hub can be used on that adapter?
Nov 09 11:02:56 <MohammadAG> I must admit the iPod charges quick on it
Nov 09 11:03:04 <MohammadAG> the N900 otoh...
Nov 09 11:03:06 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I you meant USB hubs or that ciggy lighter hub?
Nov 09 11:03:14 <MohammadAG> the 10W one
Nov 09 11:03:34 <tramp> In fact, I raise a request to rewrite the list and link the items to benefits
Nov 09 11:04:33 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I think it might. Though I'd personally ask the seller how much can the hub actually output. You wouldn't want to hook too many things up if it has small wires interconnecting between the two things
Nov 09 11:06:03 <vdv> is there any default password for "user" user on maemo? i'm trying to ssh as user, but it asks a passwd
Nov 09 11:06:17 <MohammadAG> nope
Nov 09 11:06:30 <tramp> psycho_oreos: Just look at the hubs amp rating
Nov 09 11:06:31 <psycho_oreos> http://www.autoline.com.au/photo.wsvc?size=800&pid=1&vid=1490169 <--- Fyi, my current ride except mine is blue
Nov 09 11:06:45 <tramp> psycho_oreos: Or wattage
Nov 09 11:06:51 <jonwil> Nice one psyco_oreos
Nov 09 11:07:04 <jonwil> my brother has a VY SS in white
Nov 09 11:07:08 <jonwil> :)
Nov 09 11:07:39 <psycho_oreos> tramp, doesn't say for the ciggy lighter sockets though. Only says amps for USB
Nov 09 11:07:53 <psycho_oreos> jonwil, heh thanks :D gotta love utes :D
Nov 09 11:08:12 <vdv> is it safe to set a password for "user" user?
Nov 09 11:08:22 <tramp> :/ i hate that. i thought it was regulation too
Nov 09 11:08:45 <psycho_oreos> vdv, there's no passwd for user, in other words you can't login as user without setting passwd on the account first as root
Nov 09 11:09:06 <psycho_oreos> vdv, ah well, its up to you for setting user's passwd as user. Personally I wouldn't
Nov 09 11:09:34 <psycho_oreos> tramp, heh I guess it varies from countries to countries. Then again it wouldn't hurt to ask the seller afterall before buying
Nov 09 11:09:39 <tramp> vdv: why cant you use key login?
Nov 09 11:10:37 <tramp> psycho_oreos: lol yeah
Nov 09 11:11:22 <vdv> i've installed an app (i've packaged it myself), but binary runs only from terminal and only as root
Nov 09 11:11:35 <vdv> if run it as user it says nothing on terminal
Nov 09 11:11:43 <vdv> and gui window doesn't appear
Nov 09 11:11:45 <psycho_oreos> suid it?
Nov 09 11:12:21 <vdv> there's no "access denied" or so message
Nov 09 11:12:30 <vdv> main window just doesn't appear
Nov 09 11:12:34 <tramp> does it req root?
Nov 09 11:12:46 <tramp> what is the app?
Nov 09 11:12:53 <vdv> qstardict
Nov 09 11:12:53 <psycho_oreos> custom made app
Nov 09 11:13:04 <vdv> no, root is not required
Nov 09 11:13:26 <psycho_oreos> vdv, hmm I must have misread, thought you said it needs root
Nov 09 11:13:44 <vdv> nope
Nov 09 11:13:53 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, huwaei or ZTE?
Nov 09 11:14:06 <tramp> i love n900 multitasking. i dont see why ppl complain that the hardware isnt as new as some other phones. Im running 8 apps right now seemlessly, can the uPhone do that?
Nov 09 11:14:51 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I'm pretty sure its called Huawei, the one me brother got. Locally they've been branded as vodaphone mifi, but me brother's is 3 mifi (and he bought it from China)
Nov 09 11:15:01 <tramp> vdv: does it return you to the prompt immediately
Nov 09 11:15:19 <psycho_oreos> tramp, I guess people's mileage may vary :)
Nov 09 11:15:29 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, ZTE is another manufacturer, I thought you had experience with both and knew which is best :p
Nov 09 11:15:42 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, haha I'm afraid not
Nov 09 11:15:52 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, do they have a site?
Nov 09 11:15:59 <tramp> psycho_oreos: mileage?
Nov 09 11:16:14 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, huawei's? or the seller site with that product for instance?
Nov 09 11:17:07 <MohammadAG> huawei
Nov 09 11:17:33 <psycho_oreos> tramp, like people use their device for various means. Some may play games all day. Some may listen to music all day etc.. Some does debugging.. all these could heavily influence the device's capability to multitask. Then again there's loads of impatient people out there that couldn't even spare maybe three seconds before declaring the device as bloat, slow, sluggish, etc
Nov 09 11:17:50 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, yeah huawei does have manufacturer site, hang on lemme see if I can find it
Nov 09 11:18:32 <tramp> vdv: you could have packaged it wrong and it cant find a file it expects to find. that would be an unusual scenario the developer might not have prepared for
Nov 09 11:18:41 <woldrich> the n900 is pretty slow when playing 720p porn and having 2 sessions of angry birds running
Nov 09 11:18:49 <woldrich> s/porn/action movie/
Nov 09 11:18:49 <infobot> woldrich meant: the n900 is pretty slow when playing 720p action movie and having 2 sessions of angry birds running
Nov 09 11:19:10 <psycho_oreos> http://www.huawei.com/en/, that's their site. http://www.snphones.com.au/inc/sdetail/292/668 that's a reseller with that mifi I was referring to
Nov 09 11:19:39 <tramp> woldrich: Why would you watch porn while you're playing angry birds?
Nov 09 11:19:51 <woldrich> tramp, multitasking!
Nov 09 11:20:05 <tramp> and can the iPhone even do that?
Nov 09 11:20:10 <woldrich> exactly :p
Nov 09 11:20:14 <tramp> :)
Nov 09 11:20:34 <tramp> heh
Nov 09 11:20:43 <tramp> Yeah!
Nov 09 11:21:25 <tramp> so they spend $800 or w/e on a cpu that sits at idle most of the time running their one app
Nov 09 11:21:49 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, this is the one my operator sells http://www.modem3g.com/zte-mf60-mobile-hotspot.html
Nov 09 11:23:57 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, is it just me or does that one not have a screen at all to show you statuses? :) Then again huawei doesn't seem to support microSDHC expansion either. So its a bit of compromise
Nov 09 11:24:15 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, OLED actually
Nov 09 11:24:17 <tramp> while im constantly tabbing out of irssi to install gnumeric, open a profit/loss spreadsheet, while i have articles open in a browser
Nov 09 11:24:20 <MohammadAG> what's the expansion for?
Nov 09 11:24:50 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, also I personally don't like to deal with router/AP devices that I cannot install openwrt for instance on. I have a much older huawei 3G router that I'm using (D100) and every moment of it I personally loathe
Nov 09 11:25:03 <tramp> and word processors
Nov 09 11:25:15 <tramp> two
Nov 09 11:25:28 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, ahh touchscreen I suppose? maybe not *shrugs*. The expansion for memory storage, maybe you could plug it in via USB to computer and make it act like a flash drive
Nov 09 11:25:38 <tramp> (vim though XD)
Nov 09 11:25:57 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, no use there, it's gonna sit in the car somewhere
Nov 09 11:26:02 <psycho_oreos> dunno what else you can do with it if for instance you can't install openwrt.. then again it might come with built-in download manager so you can make it download to that microSD
Nov 09 11:26:14 <MohammadAG> either on the windshield (top right, somehow) or under the car seat if it gets a signal there
Nov 09 11:26:39 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, *nods* then again I suppose that ZTE spec-wise is better. Again I don't have experience with either of these devices
Nov 09 11:26:50 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Nov 09 11:27:19 <MohammadAG> I wonder if it charges via any generic USB
Nov 09 11:27:21 <psycho_oreos> windshield would probably give it some better chance imo for picking up signals. Then again it'll be out in the sun :D
Nov 09 11:27:24 <MohammadAG> then I could use my pioneer stereo
Nov 09 11:27:49 <RST38h> Moo, Mohammad, how is life? Have you liberated your N950 ?
Nov 09 11:27:50 <MohammadAG> I use AUX for sound anyway
Nov 09 11:27:55 <psycho_oreos> not sure, it might. I think N900 is the only most pickiest device I've come across
Nov 09 11:28:35 <MohammadAG> true, it works with the 10W one
Nov 09 11:28:45 <MohammadAG> and it doesn't pop the mass storage/PC Suite dialog with it
Nov 09 11:29:03 <MohammadAG> RST38h, moo, no, but Nokia's contacting DHL/Israel about it
Nov 09 11:29:14 <psycho_oreos> I'm guessing there's some sort of IC chip that talks to N900 saying that it is hi-powered or whatever
Nov 09 11:29:50 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, FYI
Nov 09 11:29:56 <MohammadAG> the N900 charges from my car stereo
Nov 09 11:29:59 <MohammadAG> the iPod doesn't
Nov 09 11:30:03 <psycho_oreos> ahh
Nov 09 11:30:05 <MohammadAG> so the N900 isn't the pickiest
Nov 09 11:30:40 <psycho_oreos> though I have tried charging my N900 with two external battery packs with no dice
Nov 09 11:31:09 <MohammadAG> you'll need to short D+/D-
Nov 09 11:31:21 <MohammadAG> since the stereo's USB is for data  I guess that's already done
Nov 09 11:32:20 <psycho_oreos> first one was nokia dc-10, and the latter one was generic 18650 battery to USB power pack.
Nov 09 11:32:56 <psycho_oreos> heh I don't have head deck in me car, I pulled the old useless sony junk that was in there
Nov 09 11:35:18 <tramp> how do you change pages in gnumeric?
Nov 09 11:54:10 <jonwil> cool, Simpsons is sending up Avatar
Nov 09 11:57:17 <jonwil> hmmm, aparently Adobe has abandoned work on Flash Player Mobile
Nov 09 12:11:45 <jonwil> ok, just about finished the vkb work for now, just writing a program to dump all the stock keyboard files and see if any of em have features the US keyboard file does not
Nov 09 12:12:08 * jonwil wonders what es_MX is for
Nov 09 12:12:13 <jonwil> I know es_ES is spanish
Nov 09 12:12:21 <psycho_oreos> mexican spanish
Nov 09 12:12:31 <jonwil> yeah makes sense
Nov 09 12:12:56 <psycho_oreos> afaik it goes by ccTLD in the letters written by caps
Nov 09 12:13:55 <psycho_oreos> s/by/in/
Nov 09 12:13:57 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: afaik it goes in ccTLD in the letters written by caps
Nov 09 12:14:16 * psycho_oreos facepalms self
Nov 09 12:14:25 <psycho_oreos> s/by caps/in caps/
Nov 09 12:14:25 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: afaik it goes by ccTLD in the letters written in caps
Nov 09 12:27:57 <cityLights> did mohammadAG get his N950?
Nov 09 12:28:12 <psycho_oreos> no
Nov 09 12:29:21 <cityLights> where to ask about dns resolving in maemo?
Nov 09 12:29:30 <cityLights> I see dnsmasq is used
Nov 09 12:29:48 <psycho_oreos> /etc/resolv.conf
Nov 09 12:29:57 <cityLights> and a script to create /var/run/resolv files for each device
Nov 09 12:42:15 <jonwil> Almost finished my analysis of the N900 vkb files :)
Nov 09 12:43:31 <jonwil> so far nothing seems out of the ordnery
Nov 09 12:46:38 <ruskie> http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2011/11/09/adobe_job_cuts/
Nov 09 12:46:48 <woldrich> jonwil, what's that?
Nov 09 12:47:06 <jonwil> vkb files are for the virtual keyboard
Nov 09 12:47:09 <woldrich> ah
Nov 09 12:48:15 <jonwil> a little bit more work and I will have enough info to let you use libimlayout.so.0
Nov 09 12:48:34 <jonwil> which is the lib that loads the vkb files
Nov 09 12:49:48 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: no, resolv.conf is always 127.0.0.1 on dnsmasq systems
Nov 09 12:50:45 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, well yeah except for the fact that /etc/resolv.conf can get overwritten though
Nov 09 12:51:18 <DocScrutinizer> yeah *you* on N900
Nov 09 12:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> dang
Nov 09 12:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> yeah *you* can overwrite it and mess up the whole DNS on N900
Nov 09 12:51:59 * DocScrutinizer shoots this laptop touchpad
Nov 09 12:52:10 <ruskie> lol
Nov 09 12:52:26 * psycho_oreos points to openvpn being a culprit at one stage
Nov 09 12:52:43 <DocScrutinizer> man dnsmasq
Nov 09 12:54:34 * psycho_oreos digs up that thread about openvpn being a culprit lol
Nov 09 12:55:41 <DocScrutinizer> man dnsmasq | less +' In  order  to configure dnsmasq to act as cache for the host on which it is running, put "nameserver 127.0.0.1" in /etc/resolv.conf to force local processes to send queries to dnsmasq.'
Nov 09 12:55:56 <DocScrutinizer> s-'/..' even
Nov 09 12:56:05 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 09 12:56:31 <DocScrutinizer> less +'/In order to con'
Nov 09 13:21:37 <Macer> damn895
Nov 09 13:21:42 <Macer> damnit
Nov 09 13:21:48 <Macer> this amzer case doesn't fit properly
Nov 09 13:21:51 <Macer> i have to send it back to amazon
Nov 09 13:21:58 <Macer> and the damn thing is broken where a speaker is
Nov 09 13:22:07 <Macer> i'm never going to find a good case for my n900
Nov 09 13:22:12 <Macer> i can't find an otterbox 
Nov 09 13:23:07 <Macer> now my n900 is wandering about wiht no condom on
Nov 09 13:23:15 <Macer> it is going to catch the aids
Nov 09 13:23:26 <maybeWTF> hearing aids?
Nov 09 13:23:28 <woldrich> but you might get another, smaller, lighter n900
Nov 09 13:23:33 <woldrich> totally worth it
Nov 09 13:24:34 <Macer> huh?
Nov 09 13:24:40 <Macer> no .. i need a cover for it
Nov 09 13:24:48 <Macer> that lets me slide the keygboard open
Nov 09 13:25:08 <Macer> since my bluetooth keyboard works on it maybe i will get a boxwave armor case for it
Nov 09 13:25:11 <Macer> can't go wrong witht hat
Nov 09 13:26:07 <jonwil> ok, good, I think I now understand all the features used by the N900 vkb files
Nov 09 13:26:52 <Macer> jonwil:  you knopw a good n900 accessories site that doessn't suck?
Nov 09 13:26:55 <jonwil> nope
Nov 09 13:27:08 <jonwil> The only N900 accessory I have is a clear plastic case
Nov 09 13:27:13 <jonwil> and that was purchased locally
Nov 09 13:27:25 <Macer> yeah. that is what i got too
Nov 09 13:27:29 <Macer> an amzer clear plastic case
Nov 09 13:27:35 <Macer> from amazon.. and it didn't clip on correctly
Nov 09 13:27:36 <jonwil> Its basically 2 pieces of plastic, one of which fits around the bottom half of the phone and has a hole for the camera and stuff
Nov 09 13:27:38 <Macer> made in china
Nov 09 13:27:51 <Macer> same thing here
Nov 09 13:27:51 <jonwil> and then a small rectangle for the top half of the phone
Nov 09 13:27:55 <jonwil> that surrounds the touchscreen
Nov 09 13:27:59 <Macer> yeah
Nov 09 13:28:06 <Macer> i got the same exact type .. but it didn't fit 
Nov 09 13:28:11 <Macer> one of the clips didn't clip on correctly
Nov 09 13:28:18 <jonwil> If I saw one, I would buy another because my current one is partially broken
Nov 09 13:28:19 <Macer> then when i pulled it off.. the speaker section snapped
Nov 09 13:28:25 <Macer> i am sending it back to amazon
Nov 09 13:29:14 <woldrich> this bitch is all you need http://i.japh.se/_photo/n900_gamegripper.jpg
Nov 09 13:31:43 <Macer> worldi saw that
Nov 09 13:31:44 <Macer> meh
Nov 09 13:31:58 <Macer> there aren't any good games for the n900
Nov 09 13:32:10 <woldrich> sdlmame!
Nov 09 13:32:16 <Macer> haha
Nov 09 13:32:25 <Macer> well.. i would probably play the neogeo emulator before anything
Nov 09 13:32:29 <Macer> just for samurai showdown
Nov 09 13:32:36 <Macer> iv
Nov 09 13:32:39 <woldrich> you should try pacmanf
Nov 09 13:32:42 <woldrich> and mrdo
Nov 09 13:32:52 <woldrich> neo mr do is also cool
Nov 09 13:32:55 <Macer> i need a case first
Nov 09 13:32:55 <Macer> lol
Nov 09 13:33:26 <Macer> i have to go to the PO and ship this broken piece ocf non fitting made in china shit back
Nov 09 13:51:42 <jonwil> I do believe I now have the first ever complete documentation of the .vkb files as it pertains to the N900
Nov 09 13:52:52 <jonwil> The document I have covers everything I can see the n900 libs dealing with
Nov 09 13:53:05 <jonwil> and all the features that are known to exist in the .vkb files but which the libs dont actually support
Nov 09 13:53:18 <jonwil> or that arent used in the stock .vkb files
Nov 09 13:56:46 <jonwil> well the stock .vkb files that I have on my own phone
Nov 09 13:59:55 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: that's great
Nov 09 14:00:57 <jonwil> anyone know if its possible to get the rootfs out of a "combined" image, I want to see if any of the images other than "global" have any other bits related to hildon-input-method that may impact my work
Nov 09 14:01:43 <jonwil> currently downloading all 5 versions of the n900 rootfs image
Nov 09 14:01:58 <jonwil> oh wait I think the flasher program can do something with these files
Nov 09 14:04:22 <jonwil> wow, I am really pushing my ADSL2+ connection to its limits with these downloads
Nov 09 14:17:37 <Macer> blah
Nov 09 14:17:49 <Macer> i sure wish the gvoice txting worked a little better
Nov 09 14:18:01 <Macer> there are all types of issues with it
Nov 09 14:31:37 <SpeedEvil> Argh - stupid side-effects.
Nov 09 14:32:20 <SpeedEvil> Because I sent my n900 off to nokia to get fixed (or as the cae actually was - replaced withan e7), my regular alarm for tuesdays diddn't go off, so I forgot to put out the bin.
Nov 09 14:32:22 <SpeedEvil> (s)
Nov 09 14:35:21 * jonwil hopes is N900 never breaks
Nov 09 14:38:20 <joga> SpeedEvil whoa...you got alarms for chores? 
Nov 09 14:38:26 * joga feels like a slob now
Nov 09 14:38:57 <SpeedEvil> joga: I otherwise totally forget, and the bin gets full.
Nov 09 14:39:17 <joga> mine gets full and stays that way until I start giving a shit
Nov 09 14:39:18 <joga> ;)
Nov 09 14:39:37 <SpeedEvil> I mean the outside bin.
Nov 09 14:39:47 <SpeedEvil> It's only emptied once every two weeks.
Nov 09 14:40:06 <joga> I don't handle the outside bins myself...I just take out the trash :)
Nov 09 14:40:29 <SpeedEvil> I have to push it 30m up to the end of the road.
Nov 09 14:40:46 <cityLights> DocScrutinizer: I need help with dnsmasq
Nov 09 14:41:05 <SpeedEvil> cityLights: why?
Nov 09 14:41:26 <cityLights> after I oad openvpn I generate /var/run/resolv.conf.tun0
Nov 09 14:41:48 <cityLights> I also add a line with this path to /etc/dnsmasq.conf
Nov 09 14:42:10 <cityLights> yet the nameservers there are not used
Nov 09 14:42:21 <cityLights> even after pkill -HUP dnsmasq
Nov 09 14:42:27 <cityLights> how to fix?
Nov 09 14:42:52 <SpeedEvil> Do they work for ping?
Nov 09 14:43:07 <cityLights> yes
Nov 09 14:43:39 <jonwil> ok, now I think I got all the bits I need in order for my kernel to be able to read the maemo jffs2 flash files
Nov 09 14:43:50 <cityLights> grep tun0 /etc/dnsmasq.conf 
Nov 09 14:43:50 <cityLights> resolv-file=/var/run/resolv.conf.tun0
Nov 09 14:45:07 <cityLights> issue is that dnsmasq runs like this:
Nov 09 14:45:10 <cityLights> /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z
Nov 09 14:54:37 <Gizmokid2005> frals: ping?
Nov 09 15:04:06 <jonwil> bah, nothing I do will get these rootfs images to unpack :(
Nov 09 15:04:41 <SpeedEvil> Argh
Nov 09 15:04:49 <SpeedEvil> My n900 images are offline, or I'd have a play.
Nov 09 15:04:53 <SpeedEvil> Maybe search tmp?
Nov 09 15:06:25 <SpeedEvil> tmo
Nov 09 15:10:49 <DocScrutinizer51> cityLights: I'd love to help, alas I'm abroad
Nov 09 15:11:25 <cityLights> so who can help me?
Nov 09 15:12:31 <DocScrutinizer51> wait another 1 2h, I'll be back home
Nov 09 15:12:33 <SpeedEvil> What do you mean by 'doesn't work'.
Nov 09 15:12:49 <SpeedEvil> If many of the inbuilt connections think there is no connection, tehy wo't do anything.
Nov 09 15:12:55 <SpeedEvil> This is no tth eproblem of DNS
Nov 09 15:13:02 <SpeedEvil> They check firt to see if it's online.
Nov 09 15:13:07 <SpeedEvil> First.
Nov 09 15:14:24 <jonwil> ok, looks like its a ubifs filesystem and not a jffs2 filesystem despite the filename
Nov 09 15:14:35 <jonwil> which means I need to hope gentoo can give me the right bits to mount those
Nov 09 15:14:44 <jonwil> so far it seems to be doing so
Nov 09 15:15:12 <DocScrutinizer51> jonwil: yes ubi
Nov 09 15:15:19 <cityLights> I mean I can't ping a hostname known to the tun0 name server
Nov 09 15:18:34 <jonwil> aha, its mtd-utils I need to emerge :)
Nov 09 15:19:59 <jonwil> of all the filesystems known to man, ubi is the hardest I have ever had to work with
Nov 09 15:20:15 <jonwil> but I guess thats because its raw bytes to be fed to a flash chip
Nov 09 15:20:24 <jonwil> with filesystem data on top of that
Nov 09 15:20:41 <jonwil> so its a pain because it has to do stuff that is normally done by the hardware on e.g. a USB key or other similar setup
Nov 09 15:23:28 <vdv> hi all
Nov 09 15:24:45 <vdv> maybe somebody knows, i'm looking for some doc, tutorial with guidlines on making guis for mobile devices, i.e. guis that are usable on small screens
Nov 09 15:25:05 <vdv> *guidelines
Nov 09 15:26:13 <Macer> well.. i doubt you will find much help here
Nov 09 15:26:21 <Macer> hildon is mostly closed
Nov 09 15:26:59 <neal> macer: hildon is largely open
Nov 09 15:27:13 <neal> macer: what parts do you think are closed?
Nov 09 15:28:36 <Macer> well... applets
Nov 09 15:28:39 <Macer> :)
Nov 09 15:28:51 <kerio> hmm, applets :Q___
Nov 09 15:28:59 <neal> macer: I wouldn't describe that as hildon
Nov 09 15:29:13 <neal> of course, the piece to use the applets is open
Nov 09 15:29:29 <neal> so if you write your own applet, it can be "open"
Nov 09 15:37:17 <jonwil> ok, so far so good, now it complains that ubifs is not a valid file type. Looks like I need more kernel modules...
Nov 09 15:38:44 <jonwil> aha, I have the ubi module but not the ubifs module
Nov 09 15:38:59 <jonwil> so many kernel modules needed to mount a simple file system :(
Nov 09 15:40:16 <vdv> i need some help with qt gui development
Nov 09 15:40:31 <vdv> i'll ask better at #qt
Nov 09 15:46:30 <SpeedEvil> you need a block->mtd emulator IIRC
Nov 09 16:01:13 <jonwil> I got all the bits mounted now
Nov 09 16:01:17 <jonwil> and I got the files I wanted
Nov 09 16:01:38 <jonwil> and I can see that there is no extra vkb files in any of the regional images
Nov 09 16:01:45 <jonwil> in all cases the packages for vkb files are the same
Nov 09 16:02:10 <jonwil> I expected there might have been special vkb files for e.g. the middle east version (hebrew maybe)
Nov 09 16:02:29 * jonwil wonders if there was ever a N900 with a chinese firmware and if so where he can get the rootfs image to play with
Nov 09 16:08:13 <Estel_> Hello there.
Nov 09 16:08:38 <Estel_> Is there a chance, that any knowledgable one here know what causes this issue?
Nov 09 16:08:40 <Estel_> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1119820&postcount=723
Nov 09 16:10:30 <Macer> wtf
Nov 09 16:10:56 <Macer> tha advanced power meter says i have a 85.3% charge
Nov 09 16:11:13 <Macer> but the battery widget says 50
Nov 09 16:11:18 <Macer> wth is going on?
Nov 09 16:12:23 <Macer> battery eye agrees with the widget. is advanced power miscalculated or something?
Nov 09 16:22:42 <jonwil> ok, so I finally know what is different in the different images of PR1.3
Nov 09 16:23:47 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: iirc the PR1.2-leaked was the HK version or sth like that
Nov 09 16:24:24 <DocScrutinizer> so should have been cn_HK or sth
Nov 09 16:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: I dunno what any of those does, but I know there's only one way to get hw info about charge state - from bq27200 chip via i2cget. the bq27x00.ko module as found for PK is fsckdup and deprecated, and usually all those battery state widgets basically rely on lshal results and in turn on bme-guesswork
Nov 09 16:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: either http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/battery/bq27k-detail2  or shadowjk's version of that shellscript that doesn't need bash. Both need i2ctools installed
Nov 09 16:41:58 <Macer> i see
Nov 09 16:42:23 <Macer> hm
Nov 09 16:44:03 <Macer> i was using the alternate bme for some odd reason.
Nov 09 16:44:23 <Macer> swapping it to nokia bme seems to have made them the same
Nov 09 16:44:49 <Macer> but it was weird when my phone went almost dead alarm and the applet said i had 25%
Nov 09 16:47:41 <Macer> i am getting a 2:1 use:âcharge ratio
Nov 09 16:47:46 <jonwil> ok, I cant find any evidence that there is some sort of hongkong or chinese specific keyboard files, if there are they are not in any image I can find
Nov 09 16:47:50 <Macer> use:charge
Nov 09 16:47:52 <jonwil> including the so-called "leaked PR1.2"
Nov 09 16:57:32 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Nov 09 16:57:40 <Estel_> Macer, You were using bme, not bme alternative, cause there is nothing like that
Nov 09 16:57:53 <Estel_> bme alternative *method* is pulling data from bme
Nov 09 16:57:55 <DocScrutinizer> indeed, I wondered what that means
Nov 09 16:58:09 <Estel_> and using more sane voltage->capacity calculations
Nov 09 16:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> eh???
Nov 09 16:58:35 <Estel_> i.e it is alternative diagram of correlation between voltage and capacity
Nov 09 16:58:59 <Estel_> stock bme calculate capacity from average voltage in time, using linear function
Nov 09 16:59:10 <DocScrutinizer> ouch, some of those battery "tools" do their own U->C tables?
Nov 09 16:59:19 <Estel_> in reality, it's not linear
Nov 09 16:59:27 <Estel_> yes, DocScrutinize 
Nov 09 16:59:38 <SpeedEvil> Estel_: Are you sure it's linear?
Nov 09 16:59:41 <DocScrutinizer> pretty insane
Nov 09 16:59:47 <SpeedEvil> Capacity is _not_ real capacity.
Nov 09 16:59:52 <Estel_> true.
Nov 09 17:00:31 <SpeedEvil> The 'right' measure of capacity is something like 'reserve capacity under which under no circumstances will the cellmo reset due to undervoltage'
Nov 09 17:00:36 <DocScrutinizer> and - honestly - I dare to say *nobody* knows what bme does to guestimate battery remaining capacity
Nov 09 17:00:39 <Estel_> dr_frost_dk created own U->C tables, based on discharge tests, but it got one flaw
Nov 09 17:01:07 <Estel_> dr_frosts's tables dont use average voltage
Nov 09 17:01:08 <SpeedEvil> You absolutely have to take ESR and temperature into account.
Nov 09 17:01:14 <Estel_> only momentary one
Nov 09 17:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> basically the aproach is kinda flawed
Nov 09 17:01:48 <Estel_> afaik fuel gauge takes temperature into account
Nov 09 17:01:55 <Estel_> creating compensated SoC
Nov 09 17:02:15 <DocScrutinizer> you can't get better that 25/50/75% values from cell voltage
Nov 09 17:02:15 <Estel_> still, I've yet to see situation, when CSOC is different from RSOC
Nov 09 17:02:37 <SpeedEvil> Fuel gauge cannot take temperature into account.
Nov 09 17:02:57 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: bq27200 takes temp into account, but doesn't calculate C from U at all
Nov 09 17:02:59 <SpeedEvil> It's only used - from memory - to disqualify charge and discharge cycles on the basis of over or undertemp
Nov 09 17:03:03 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  I kinda agree with that. also, using momentary voltage, You can get ~30% different reading, based on load
Nov 09 17:03:18 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  yea.
Nov 09 17:03:33 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/User_talk:Speedevil/Ohm
Nov 09 17:03:43 <SpeedEvil> This is several batteries ohms vs voltage curves
Nov 09 17:03:57 <SpeedEvil> It clearly shows that you absolutely need to learn the battery.
Nov 09 17:04:10 <Estel_> 100% true.
Nov 09 17:04:16 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 09 17:04:23 <SpeedEvil> Or at least measure impedence - in order to answer the question 'what's the charge left before the modem may reset'
Nov 09 17:04:58 <Estel_> that's wy ideal battery applet would use i2c and read from fuel gauge
Nov 09 17:05:08 <SpeedEvil> Err - no.
Nov 09 17:05:13 <SpeedEvil> Fuel guage is about half of it.
Nov 09 17:05:17 <SpeedEvil> Maybe less.
Nov 09 17:05:28 <Estel_> method is freely available in bq27200.sh, but for unknow reason every dev use bme, .ko or whatsnot
Nov 09 17:05:33 <SpeedEvil> The fuel guage cannot know what the answer to the above is.
Nov 09 17:05:34 <Estel_> hm?
Nov 09 17:05:52 <DocScrutinizer> the N9(50) fuel gauge is using cell Z and adaptive tables to estimate a individual charge from cell voltage
Nov 09 17:05:55 <SpeedEvil> Because it changes under temperature, load, and battery.
Nov 09 17:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> not so the bq27200 nor the bme in N900
Nov 09 17:06:18 <Estel_> hey, so how bq27200.sh calculates capacity so precisely?
Nov 09 17:06:22 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't.
Nov 09 17:06:31 <SpeedEvil> It simply measures current in and out of the battery and adds it up.
Nov 09 17:06:47 <SpeedEvil> This is somewhat accurate if you're discharging the battery very slowly.
Nov 09 17:06:59 <SpeedEvil> Or in normal use, for a very new battery.
Nov 09 17:07:25 <SpeedEvil> Looking at the above graph, for example, the worst battery in that group is 700mR or so.
Nov 09 17:07:43 <Estel_> yes, but for everyday, even quite demanding use, it's ok. I used redings from it with bme disabled many times - on dual-scud 3000 mah battery - and it never "failed"
Nov 09 17:07:44 <SpeedEvil> A load of 1A from the cellmo will cause the modem to drop out at an initial battery voltage of around 3.7V
Nov 09 17:08:18 <SpeedEvil> At which point it will still have maybe 40% of its charge left, at low currents.
Nov 09 17:08:28 <Estel_> totally agree
Nov 09 17:08:41 <Estel_> but I think we may ommit it in battery applets? ;)
Nov 09 17:08:59 <SpeedEvil> If you're reimplementing BME, it's largely irrelevant.
Nov 09 17:09:02 * DocScrutinizer yawns
Nov 09 17:09:13 <SpeedEvil> The 'bars' is mostly accurate, as BME turns off in many cases 'too early'.
Nov 09 17:09:22 <SpeedEvil> Err
Nov 09 17:09:30 <SpeedEvil> Unless you're reimplimenting BME.
Nov 09 17:09:53 <SpeedEvil> It's inaccurate for those with big batteries - but there are probably a few dozen of them.
Nov 09 17:09:56 <Estel_> SpeedEvil,  to be understand correctly, I totally agree with Your rationale, and ideal measurement should take care of it
Nov 09 17:10:35 <Estel_> i mean that, when someone write battery applet, she/he may use bq27200.sh i2cget method, without problem
Nov 09 17:11:00 <SpeedEvil> In general, it's flawed.
Nov 09 17:11:05 <Estel_> as for reimplementing bme, I believe You, cause its out of scope of my knowledge
Nov 09 17:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> NAC Nominal Available Capacity || CACD Discharge Compensated NAC || CACT Temperature Compensated CACD
Nov 09 17:11:46 <Estel_> also, no one can predict how load will look in future, from measuring moment
Nov 09 17:11:59 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 09 17:12:14 <Estel_> one can use 1A and then, rest in 6mAh, or other way
Nov 09 17:12:26 <DocScrutinizer> just *always* check CI=0
Nov 09 17:12:28 <Estel_> so capacity is quite relative term, to simplify things
Nov 09 17:13:04 <SpeedEvil> No, however you can predict to some accuracy when a pulse load of 1A will cause the voltage to drop to a level below at which the modem will reset.
Nov 09 17:13:23 * Estel_ agree
Nov 09 17:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> STTE Standby Time-to-Empty || MLTTE Max Load Time-to-Empty || TTE Time-to-Empty
Nov 09 17:14:21 <SpeedEvil> MLTTE on the bq27200 is going to be quite inaccurate for many cells - due to internal R
Nov 09 17:14:30 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 09 17:14:55 <DocScrutinizer> probably
Nov 09 17:16:34 <SpeedEvil> What you really want - if you're not reimplementing BME - is to work out the algorithms BME uses. (and ideally to stop it going beep) And report charge before it turns off. This is not always trivial.
Nov 09 17:17:53 <DocScrutinizer> in the end it doesn't matter in RL
Nov 09 17:19:10 <DocScrutinizer> old beagles had no fuel gauge at all, just a lamp that lit when lesst than ~x L gasoline left over
Nov 09 17:20:41 <DocScrutinizer> err, s/beagle/Volkswagen/
Nov 09 17:21:19 <Estel_> quite different topic - what the hell this error means?:
Nov 09 17:21:20 <Macer> ok so i am confused. you mean that it is simply relying on a history of thebattery?
Nov 09 17:21:21 <Estel_> ALSA lib seq_hw.c:457:(snd_seq_hw_open) open /dev/snd/seq failed: No such file or directory
Nov 09 17:21:40 <Macer> and doing math to calculate the percentage?
Nov 09 17:21:41 <DocScrutinizer> plus they had a valve you could operate with your foot, to enable a few L reserve
Nov 09 17:22:02 <Estel_> Macer, no. alternate bme alghoritm in apm uses voltage reported by bme and calculate it own capacity from it
Nov 09 17:22:22 <Macer> but alternate bme was off
Nov 09 17:22:25 <Estel_> it may be different from bme capacity, and may be more or less acdcurate ;)
Nov 09 17:22:33 <Macer> real bme was about to shut my n900 down
Nov 09 17:22:39 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: that error means there's no alsa device seq available, probably seq-uencer
Nov 09 17:22:48 <Macer> while the alternate method was reporting 25%
Nov 09 17:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> s/device/audiocard/
Nov 09 17:22:59 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: Estel_: that error means there's no alsa audiocard seq available, probably seq-uencer
Nov 09 17:23:33 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: I think it has to be related to MIDI stuff
Nov 09 17:23:51 <Macer> meaning. the advanced power battery applet was reporting 25 while my bme widget was reporting 0.4
Nov 09 17:24:01 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: pretty obsolete
Nov 09 17:24:17 <Macer> while running in alternate
Nov 09 17:24:29 <Macer> with a red flashing light
Nov 09 17:25:15 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: some really old card definitions in alsa config may still look for pcm:seq
Nov 09 17:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> or ctl:seq
Nov 09 17:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> dunno
Nov 09 17:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> soundblaster32
Nov 09 17:25:50 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  the strangest thing is that
Nov 09 17:25:51 <DocScrutinizer> sth like that
Nov 09 17:26:01 <Estel_> it show in dosbox, causing segfault
Nov 09 17:26:07 <Macer> and if it does rely on battery history.. what happens if you swap batteries?
Nov 09 17:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Nov 09 17:26:11 <Macer> :)
Nov 09 17:26:15 <Estel_> i also thought its sound related
Nov 09 17:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> dosbox probably uses a SB emu
Nov 09 17:26:19 <Estel_> but
Nov 09 17:26:24 <Estel_> sb emu eorks fine
Nov 09 17:26:36 <Estel_> this error dissapear when i change graphic output
Nov 09 17:26:43 <Estel_> from overlay to surface
Nov 09 17:27:00 <Estel_> and sb16 emulation works ok, even disabling sound emulation doesnt fix it
Nov 09 17:27:31 <Estel_> still, output surface is unusable, cause result is big screen and very small dos program on it (running in native application resolution)
Nov 09 17:27:53 <Estel_> overlay support scaling, and it worked, with exact same settings, month ago or so
Nov 09 17:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: swapping bat always invalidates battery gauge values
Nov 09 17:28:17 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: nice! 
Nov 09 17:28:19 <Estel_> I've tried it again few days ago, and since that I'm trying to make it work
Nov 09 17:28:22 <Macer> for how long?
Nov 09 17:28:36 <Estel_> is it possible, that kp update messed something up?
Nov 09 17:28:40 <Macer> how long does it take for bme to learn a battery?
Nov 09 17:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> for at very least until one 100% full charge
Nov 09 17:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> possibly for longer
Nov 09 17:29:11 <Estel_> and how come, that switching display output from overlay to surface, makes dosbox stop complaining about non-existent device?
Nov 09 17:29:14 <Macer> Estel_: trying to play kyrandia on your phone?
Nov 09 17:29:22 <Macer> :)
Nov 09 17:29:31 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: NFC
Nov 09 17:29:35 <Estel_> ATM darklands, but now, dosbox is in unusable state for me
Nov 09 17:29:47 <Estel_> and it worked before
Nov 09 17:29:55 <Estel_> nfc =?
Nov 09 17:30:12 <DocScrutinizer> ~nfc
Nov 09 17:30:12 <infobot> i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue
Nov 09 17:30:17 <Estel_> ah
Nov 09 17:30:20 <Estel_> same here
Nov 09 17:30:38 <Estel_> I would say dosbox porting bug, but it was not updated in ages
Nov 09 17:30:41 <Estel_> and worked
Nov 09 17:30:51 <Macer> Estel_: it is todbox tho. you can just wipe everything and start over :)
Nov 09 17:30:59 <Estel_> I only updated kp to 48 and CSSU in meantime
Nov 09 17:31:05 <Macer> im surprised there isnt lemmings for maemo
Nov 09 17:31:09 <Estel_> wiping everything doesnt help
Nov 09 17:31:12 <Macer> i loved lemmings
Nov 09 17:31:14 <Estel_> there is tux lemmings
Nov 09 17:31:39 <Estel_> pingus
Nov 09 17:31:47 <Macer> really?
Nov 09 17:31:49 <Estel_> is linux lemmings clone for maemo also
Nov 09 17:31:52 <Estel_> yea
Nov 09 17:31:57 <Estel_> apt-get pingus
Nov 09 17:32:00 <Estel_> anyway
Nov 09 17:32:03 <Macer> heh
Nov 09 17:32:05 <Macer> awesome
Nov 09 17:32:12 <Estel_> CSSU can be filtered out as ALSA fault, yep?
Nov 09 17:32:23 <Estel_> so its probably KP?
Nov 09 17:32:45 <Estel_> I still can't find anyone with kp48/49 to check that
Nov 09 17:32:58 <Estel_> if dosbox works with output=overlay
Nov 09 17:33:07 <Estel_> for other people
Nov 09 17:33:55 <Estel_> it seem that kp48 broke reboot
Nov 09 17:34:08 <Estel_> rebooting now causes device to shut down on Nokia logo
Nov 09 17:34:16 <Estel_> at least for few users, including me
Nov 09 17:34:30 <Estel_> this bug was present in ancient kp releases, and returned now
Nov 09 17:34:38 <Estel_> present in kp49 also
Nov 09 17:35:24 <Estel_> I thought it's just me - even given fact, that I'm very carefull about what I install or tweak (no speedpatches or other shit), but other people started to report it
Nov 09 17:35:40 <Estel_> not breaking bug, but quite irritating
Nov 09 17:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> framebuffer?
Nov 09 17:39:48 <DocScrutinizer> err console, err?
Nov 09 17:41:34 <Estel_> havent tried yet (too lazy, probably), will do...
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Nov 09 18:29:54 <jonwil> so, question, is there actually a demand from the community for being able to have a portrait virtual keyboard? i.e. should I go ahead and clone the libhildon-im-vkbrenderer module that draws the virtual keyboard?
Nov 09 18:32:37 <javispedro> there are already several portrait keyboards
Nov 09 18:34:30 <neal> jonwil: Have you considered integrating maliit?
Nov 09 18:34:40 <jonwil> no idea
Nov 09 18:34:49 <jonwil> I just know someone said they wanted portrait keyboards for CSSU
Nov 09 18:35:16 <merlin1991> it was brought up in last fridays meeting
Nov 09 18:35:26 <merlin1991> javispedro: system wide ones?
Nov 09 18:35:36 <javispedro> yes
Nov 09 18:35:39 <javispedro> even nokia provided one..
Nov 09 18:35:54 <mr_jrt> For the sake of completeness, I'd say go for it if you have a body of work to draw from.
Nov 09 18:36:26 <jonwil> ok, so is it worth cloning the virtual keyboard renderer code or not? I can do it but it will be a pain in the ass to do so
Nov 09 18:36:52 <neal> jonwil: You should work on what is fun for you and not worry about what other people want you to work on.
Nov 09 18:37:09 <jonwil> I dont want to work on things if no-one else will appreciate/use my work
Nov 09 18:37:11 <neal> jonwil: The N900 now has a small audience.
Nov 09 18:37:22 <neal> jonwil: Then you should work on the iPhone or Android
Nov 09 18:37:25 <SpeedEvil> Cloning it - why?
Nov 09 18:37:37 <neal> jonwil: I'd appreciate a review of my package :-)
Nov 09 18:37:39 <jonwil> well the original idea was to clone it so CSSU could use the clone
Nov 09 18:37:41 <mr_jrt> I appreciate any way anyone helps my beloved little superphone better. ;)
Nov 09 18:37:59 <jonwil> and get portrait keyboard support
Nov 09 18:38:06 <merlin1991> jonwil: tbh vkbd is not a high pritority, we've got a hw keyboard after all
Nov 09 18:38:26 <mr_jrt> Yup. If it's an evening's work, go for it and it's an item off the list.
Nov 09 18:38:45 <jonwil> Its not that simple, I still dont know what half the code in the widget is doing
Nov 09 18:38:51 <mr_jrt> ...if it's more than that, only do it if you will get soemthign from it (i.e. enjoyment, donations, etc)
Nov 09 18:39:03 <jonwil> Although the more I look into it, the more I am convinced it would be better to just ignore the closed-source bits of hildon-input-method and write a totally new hildon-input-method plugin
Nov 09 18:39:11 <SpeedEvil> I will donate one frozen petit-pain to the effort.
Nov 09 18:39:17 <SpeedEvil> (may not be frozen after posting)
Nov 09 18:39:31 <jonwil> and use libimlayout (which I have just finished creating a header file for) to read the layout files
Nov 09 18:41:11 <neal> my n900 does charge anymore.  A couple of days ago, I had to wiggle the usb to convince it to charge.  Now, it doesn't charge at all.  The usb adapter is still connected to the board.  Any suggestions on how to fix it?
Nov 09 18:41:29 <jonwil> Sounds like your USB is on the way out
Nov 09 18:41:47 <jonwil> and you should find a way for it to be fixed BEFORE it breaks any further
Nov 09 18:42:00 <jonwil> my N900 had exactly the same symptoms before its USB gave out
Nov 09 18:42:12 <jonwil> before Nokia Care gave me a replacement N900
Nov 09 18:42:21 <SpeedEvil> You will not get a new n900.
Nov 09 18:42:32 * SpeedEvil has a e7 in its DHL baggie.
Nov 09 18:42:44 <SpeedEvil> Gotta write up the auction listing.
Nov 09 18:43:27 <jonwil> Since I bought my N900 in about january of this year, its been replaced not once but twice by Nokia Care
Nov 09 18:43:34 <neal> jonwil: I called nokia care, they want something like 40 Euros to fix it.
Nov 09 18:43:35 <jonwil> both times it was replaced with a new N900
Nov 09 18:43:49 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: I bet it was early in teh year though.
Nov 09 18:43:57 <jonwil> yes it was earlier in the year
Nov 09 18:43:59 <neal> jonwil: It's no longer under warrenty.
Nov 09 18:44:05 <Macer> hm
Nov 09 18:44:13 <SpeedEvil> August? they stopped doing n900 replacements
Nov 09 18:44:22 <Macer> there has to be a problem with 2G to 3G swapping with tmobile
Nov 09 18:44:31 <jonwil> The first replacement was becasuse the flexboard (front camera/LED) broke
Nov 09 18:44:39 <jonwil> The second replacement was for the busted USB
Nov 09 18:44:43 <Macer> seems to stutter when swapping
Nov 09 18:45:02 <jonwil> neal: maybe you can find a phone repair shop somewhere that doesn't charge as much as Nokia
Nov 09 18:45:15 <jonwil> if its no longer under warranty, it doesn't need to go back to Nokia
Nov 09 18:45:26 <neal> they want 40 Euros as well
Nov 09 18:45:45 <Macer> pay the €40
Nov 09 18:45:49 <SpeedEvil> I note that tehy did not fix my n900 with a fallen-off USB connector
Nov 09 18:45:50 <neal> plus, I'd need to send it to them and pay the return, so another 10 euros
Nov 09 18:45:55 <SpeedEvil> Though there was no other board damage.
Nov 09 18:46:06 <MohammadAG> anyone good at physics?
Nov 09 18:46:08 <Macer> pay the €50
Nov 09 18:46:10 <jonwil> Is there nowhere locally that can do repairs?
Nov 09 18:46:10 <SpeedEvil> Just replaced with another phone.
Nov 09 18:46:18 * SpeedEvil accellerates MohammadAG at 9.8m/s.
Nov 09 18:46:29 <Macer> hahaha
Nov 09 18:46:38 <MohammadAG> A person flying a plane at a speed of 40km/h towards the west felt a wind blowing towards him from the north west, when he changes the direction of flight to 60 degrees north west, he feels the wind blowing north.
Nov 09 18:46:44 <MohammadAG> Calculate the wind speed and direction relative to the ground.
Nov 09 18:46:47 <neal> bochum is local relative to dusseldorf, but it's far enough away that the 10 Euros is less than the time.
Nov 09 18:46:49 <Macer> 9.8m/s^2
Nov 09 18:46:53 <Macer> :-P
Nov 09 18:47:06 <jonwil> Around here there are lots of small places popping up in shopping centers that both sell phone accessories (cases and other doodads) and do repairs
Nov 09 18:47:09 <MohammadAG> I got lost
Nov 09 18:47:19 <javispedro> The answer is Dusseldorf.
Nov 09 18:47:22 <MohammadAG> Mainly cause I had to translate it from hebrew
Nov 09 18:47:25 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: you know the plane speed and vector. You know that the wind speed is constant. 
Nov 09 18:47:26 <Macer> neal.. pay for it
Nov 09 18:47:55 <Macer> pay whatever nokia wants.. 50 is not bad
Nov 09 18:48:04 <Macer> N900s are scarce
Nov 09 18:48:14 <neal> perhaps
Nov 09 18:48:16 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Given that the wind speed and direction is constant, what constant vector do you have to add to the planes direction so that in both cases the resultant wind ends up in the stated direction.
Nov 09 18:48:25 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: also ##physics.
Nov 09 18:48:27 <Macer> what broke? 
Nov 09 18:49:14 <Macer> pay nokia if they will accept it and repair it. it is worth the €50
Nov 09 18:50:54 <jonwil> definatly, yeah, pay the 50e
Nov 09 18:51:01 <merlin1991> why oh why do you have to crash all the time o mighty plasma desktop
Nov 09 18:51:12 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, did you already paste the question?
Nov 09 18:51:43 <Macer> merlin1991: i thought plasma was pretty stable in kubuntu
Nov 09 18:51:50 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: no
Nov 09 18:51:59 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: you can answer it with trig though
Nov 09 18:52:08 <merlin1991> Macer: I thought so too
Nov 09 18:52:12 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: draw it out on graph paper, and the trig makes more sense.
Nov 09 18:52:12 <merlin1991> untill I started using it
Nov 09 18:52:17 <Macer> haha
Nov 09 18:52:28 <merlin1991> I simply can't poweroff without 2 crash notices from plasma
Nov 09 18:52:35 <Macer> i nevr bumped into too many problems
Nov 09 18:52:42 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, I know, that's how I'm supposed to do it, but I got lost graphing it up
Nov 09 18:52:52 <Macer> i think plasma is great tbh
Nov 09 18:52:57 <Macer> big kde fanboy
Nov 09 18:53:12 <merlin1991> and running rekonq is the best way to make an instant live plasma crash
Nov 09 18:53:23 <Macer> yah
Nov 09 18:53:25 <Macer> rekonq sucks
Nov 09 18:53:32 <Macer> it is very unstable :)
Nov 09 18:53:33 <merlin1991> I stil l haven't figured out what activities are and how you're supposed to use them :P
Nov 09 18:53:39 <merlin1991> why is it default ffs?
Nov 09 18:53:43 <merlin1991> it suxx ass
Nov 09 18:53:53 <Macer> because konq is the old one
Nov 09 18:54:00 <Macer> and it would be like running netscape
Nov 09 18:54:16 <Macer> everybody just removes it and installs chromium
Nov 09 18:54:23 <Macer> thats what i did
Nov 09 18:54:32 <merlin1991> it removed and went to firefox
Nov 09 18:54:34 <Macer> chromium is great :)
Nov 09 18:54:42 <merlin1991> not going to give google even more data about myself
Nov 09 18:54:43 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: draw a line west 4 units. Draw another line from the origin northwest a lot of units. The resultant wind direction goes from the end of the line you drew going west, to the line northwest. You can see that there are many lines that work. Now, do the same for the other direction. Again, there are many lines (windspeeds) that work.
Nov 09 18:54:54 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: Only one of these is common to both though.
Nov 09 18:55:44 <Macer> hahaha
Nov 09 18:56:12 <Macer> why? worried about your cylon counterpart?
Nov 09 18:57:00 <Macer> i dont think google cares that much about individuals.. just massive numbers of the masses
Nov 09 18:57:55 <merlin1991> makes no sense to live in a country with strict privacy laws when you hand out everything yourself :D
Nov 09 18:58:12 <Macer> lmao
Nov 09 18:58:17 <merlin1991> one reason why I'd never get bf3
Nov 09 18:58:24 <merlin1991> that eula is an insult to privacy
Nov 09 18:58:31 <Macer> bf3?
Nov 09 18:58:36 <merlin1991> battlefield 3 the game
Nov 09 18:58:36 <Macer> battlefield3?
Nov 09 18:58:46 <Macer> really?
Nov 09 18:59:02 <Macer> only games i play are wii games on my son's softmodded wii
Nov 09 18:59:03 <Macer> lol
Nov 09 18:59:39 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, but the person changed his direction, so the first line isn't the same anymore
Nov 09 19:00:08 <merlin1991> I don't like it anyway, but lemme quote: You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage ..."
Nov 09 19:00:27 <jonwil> ok, time to see what I can do regarding the encrypted osso-backup stuff
Nov 09 19:00:42 <Macer> wow hahahaha
Nov 09 19:00:49 <Gh0sty> merlin1991: oh do EA games run on maemo? 
Nov 09 19:01:17 <Macer> so it is basically a trojan with a game attached to it
Nov 09 19:01:18 <merlin1991> Gh0sty: nope we went a lil ot ;)
Nov 09 19:01:24 <merlin1991> jep Macer
Nov 09 19:01:27 <Gh0sty> a lil :P
Nov 09 19:01:39 <Macer> Gh0sty: it happens 
Nov 09 19:01:47 <Macer> conversations cascade
Nov 09 19:01:59 * Gh0sty wants to write an agreement that I can fuck your gf one night when you use my software :P
Nov 09 19:02:21 <Gh0sty> but anyway ... who am i kidding ... most dont have any ... :p
Nov 09 19:04:26 <gribouille> hi
Nov 09 19:05:39 <gribouille> I have a N800, and I can't stop it anymore. any idea?
Nov 09 19:06:02 <merlin1991> damn I just thought compiling qt-x11-maemo finished, but no it's just another term I had open that finished something :/
Nov 09 19:06:36 <gribouille> is there a way to force the N800 to halt?
Nov 09 19:07:21 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: the wind is constant though - the underlying wind.
Nov 09 19:09:01 <gribouille> plesse, I'm helpless
Nov 09 19:09:58 <SpeedEvil> Force it to halt - what do you mean?
Nov 09 19:10:56 <gribouille> SpeedEvil: it is completely frozen. it doesn't repond when I press the buttons
Nov 09 19:11:55 <SpeedEvil> Remove the battery.
Nov 09 19:12:03 <SpeedEvil> Or do you mean it won't boot in the first place?
Nov 09 19:12:23 <gribouille> SpeedEvil: no, it doesn't boot
Nov 09 19:12:38 <gribouille> SpeedEvil: how do I remove the battery?
Nov 09 19:14:18 <SpeedEvil> nds2.nokia.com/files/support/nam/phones/guides/N800_US_en.PDF
Nov 09 19:14:25 <SpeedEvil> Not owned one.
Nov 09 19:14:36 <SpeedEvil> If it's been some time since it's last used, it's probable you need a new battery.
Nov 09 19:15:05 * javispedro is going to buy another n810 battery in a few days..
Nov 09 19:15:20 <javispedro> any suggestions for where to buy it btw?
Nov 09 19:16:01 <gribouille> SpeedEvil: ok, I managed to remove the battery and put it back. now, the N800 boots ok. thanks
Nov 09 19:16:02 <jonwil> bah, cant be bothered doing the osso-backup stuff
Nov 09 19:16:07 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 09 19:16:21 <jonwil> Going to load the closed-source browser addons into IDA and see what that turns up
Nov 09 20:08:40 <rly> Can one also "backup" over ssh?
Nov 09 20:09:13 <SpeedEvil> You can copy the backup file.
Nov 09 20:09:21 <SpeedEvil> I'm unsure if you can actually initiate a backup
Nov 09 20:09:45 <rly> SpeedEvil: and creating a backup file is a matter of using the default backup application?
Nov 09 20:10:17 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 09 20:11:05 <rly> What exactly does it backup? Only user data?
Nov 09 20:11:11 <rly> Or the whole thing?
Nov 09 20:11:33 <SpeedEvil> User data, and a list of installed apps.
Nov 09 20:11:41 <SpeedEvil> Restoring a backup will redownload teh apps
Nov 09 20:11:55 <SpeedEvil> If they are still available at their original repositories of course.
Nov 09 20:11:57 <rly> Can that data also be used with other phones?
Nov 09 20:12:00 <rly> At least partially.
Nov 09 20:12:03 <rly> E.g. contacts.
Nov 09 20:12:07 <SpeedEvil> Other n900s, yes.
Nov 09 20:12:10 <SpeedEvil> no
Nov 09 20:12:28 <SpeedEvil> Well - in principle, but no.
Nov 09 20:12:30 <rly> Ok, but there are export functions to do that.
Nov 09 20:12:49 <rly> At least, I seem to recall having seen those.
Nov 09 20:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> rly: sftp works like a charm for me
Nov 09 20:24:05 <DocScrutinizer> sftp://root@n900
Nov 09 20:24:29 <DocScrutinizer> (authorized_keys comes in mega-handy here)
Nov 09 20:25:30 <DocScrutinizer> contacts app has "export to vcards"
Nov 09 20:26:15 <DocScrutinizer> rly: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 09 20:27:04 <rly> DocScrutinizer: yes, I already setup two proxies to my phone ;)
Nov 09 20:27:14 <rly> ssh is like the best invention ever.
Nov 09 20:27:38 <DocScrutinizer> >>A job I start on my PC every day, via cron...<
Nov 09 20:27:48 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Nov 09 20:27:59 <DocScrutinizer> there's also sshfs/fuse
Nov 09 20:28:13 <DocScrutinizer> but it seems cumbersome to me
Nov 09 20:28:49 <rly> DocScrutinizer: you sent that URL before, but I don't see what I would do with it. It has warnings all over the place.
Nov 09 20:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> scroll all down to the bottom
Nov 09 20:29:37 <rly> DocScrutinizer: the backup script. Ah, ok.
Nov 09 20:29:49 <DocScrutinizer> rsync -vaRzx --fake-super root@$1:/ ~/Documents/N900/backup/$1;
Nov 09 20:30:14 <neal> DocScrutinizer: Do you have any experience repair the usb adapter?
Nov 09 20:30:27 <DocScrutinizer> the port?
Nov 09 20:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> which adapter?
Nov 09 20:31:06 <neal> the port, yes
Nov 09 20:31:20 <neal> a couple of days ago, I had to jiggle it to get it to charge
Nov 09 20:31:24 <DocScrutinizer> no RL experience on that paricular case
Nov 09 20:31:24 <neal> now it doesn't charge at all
Nov 09 20:31:38 <neal> ok, thanks
Nov 09 20:31:42 <DocScrutinizer> fix it before it's completely broken!
Nov 09 20:32:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Nov 09 20:32:14 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Nov 09 20:33:23 <neal> great
Nov 09 20:33:32 <neal> somehow I hadn't come across that thread yet
Nov 09 20:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> humm, Ericsson, might actually be an interesting job
Nov 09 20:43:56 <DocScrutinizer> there's been some statistics about what's best day of week and best time of day for a placement meeting - but I can't find it anymore. anybody a clue when to meet you next boss? 
Nov 09 20:44:39 <SpeedEvil> 3AM, holding a baseball bat.
Nov 09 20:44:45 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Nov 09 20:44:50 <SpeedEvil> Gotta make a memorable first impression.
Nov 09 20:45:03 <SpeedEvil> 'when he finds it most convenient'.
Nov 09 20:45:04 <DocScrutinizer> I always do, even without bat
Nov 09 20:45:11 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Nov 09 20:45:28 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: indeed
Nov 09 20:45:32 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 09 20:46:57 * DocScrutinizer gogles about Ericsson at his ~/.location
Nov 09 20:47:44 <SpeedEvil> Not affected by the recent de-sonyisation?
Nov 09 20:54:39 <DocScrutinizer> whatsat?
Nov 09 20:56:03 <SpeedEvil> http://wirelesswatch.jp/2011/10/27/sony-to-acquire-ericsson-share/
Nov 09 21:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: well, dunno if our local Ericsson is related to Sony in any way
Nov 09 21:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: http://jobs.trovit.de/jobs/ericsson-nuremberg
Nov 09 21:17:36 <MohammadAG> my N900's been giving OOM errors (by hildon-desktop) a lot lately
Nov 09 21:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> feed it some DDR2-RAM
Nov 09 21:31:12 <merlin1991> ~seen achipa
Nov 09 21:31:25 <infobot> achipa <attila@nat/nokia/x-srylilyvevhntzso> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 8h 24m 42s ago, saying: 'X-Fade: got the same (half)mail'.
Nov 09 21:48:55 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Ah - not mobile then
Nov 09 21:49:10 <SpeedEvil> Oh
Nov 09 22:43:40 <Chat2505> Hi
Nov 09 22:45:36 <Shapeshifter> Uh, can I safely apt-get upgrade right now if I have installed the CSSU? I read something about some official miniature PR.
Nov 09 22:46:04 <NIN101> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79400
Nov 09 22:46:57 <Shapeshifter> "you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)" I have automatic updates disabled. Can I run apt-get upgrade or should I use crap HAM?
Nov 09 22:47:24 <Shapeshifter> oh nevermind ."you should not try to update your device (the update will not show up in Application Manager)"
Nov 09 22:47:27 <Shapeshifter> I'll wait
Nov 09 22:49:00 <NIN101> apt-get upgrade sometimes brakes maemo, so don't use it anyway. 
Nov 09 22:49:14 <NIN101> s/brakes/breakes/
Nov 09 22:49:15 <infobot> NIN101 meant: apt-get upgrade sometimes breakes maemo, so don't use it anyway. 
Nov 09 22:49:25 <Shapeshifter> mh. poor fragile maemo.
Nov 09 22:49:36 * Shapeshifter pats N900 on the head
Nov 09 22:55:39 <Shapeshifter> Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power.
Nov 09 23:14:25 <luke-jr> Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too!
Nov 09 23:32:50 <DocScrutinizer> Shapeshifter: apt-get upgrade been deprecated always
Nov 09 23:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that?
Nov 09 23:35:39 <DocScrutinizer> I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation
Nov 09 23:38:31 <DocScrutinizer> but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies
Nov 09 23:39:02 <DocScrutinizer> so some pointers about where to dig are welcome
Nov 09 23:55:27 <merlin1991> someone with n900 +cssu pleace paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage
Nov 09 23:55:35 <merlin1991> s/pleace/please/
Nov 09 23:55:36 <infobot> merlin1991 meant: someone with n900 +cssu please paste the output of apt-cache policy qtm-maemo-metapackage
Nov 10 00:00:44 <andre__> merlin1991, for 16.8: "Installed: 1.3-2+0m5 | Candidate: 1.3-2+0m5 | Version table: | *** 1.3-2+0m5 0 | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
Nov 10 00:01:01 <merlin1991> thanks andre__
Nov 10 00:01:06 <andre__> np
Nov 10 00:01:14 <Zer0cool> hey people 
Nov 10 00:01:59 <merlin1991> andre__: can you check dsme-thermalobject-surface too please?
Nov 10 00:02:55 <andre__> merlin1991: 0.0.1+0m5 everywhere, rest is the same
Nov 10 00:03:12 <merlin1991> thanks again
Nov 10 00:03:34 <merlin1991> weird the cssu metapackge depends on those even though they defenitely come from the orginal pr 
Nov 10 00:04:22 <Zer0cool> been trying to get queenbeecon to open xterm an run this command , osso-xterm -e ' sudo arp-scan --interface=wlan0 --localnet but i cant get xterm to stay open can anybody help 
Nov 10 00:05:35 <SpeedEvil> Try something like 'sh-c 'arp-scan .... ; sleep 1h''
Nov 10 00:05:39 <Zer0cool> i even tryed creating arp.sh adding in the command to that an issue command to run script but it still closes
Nov 10 00:06:10 <SpeedEvil> You need to wait at the end
Nov 10 00:06:12 <SpeedEvil> somehow
Nov 10 00:07:01 <Zer0cool> i was told to add an & at the end but still same
Nov 10 00:07:18 <SpeedEvil> that won't hekp
Nov 10 00:07:33 <SpeedEvil> you need something to explicitly wait
Nov 10 00:07:39 <merlin1991> damn I should have written it down the last time 
Nov 10 00:07:42 <SpeedEvil> add sleep 1h at the end of the script
Nov 10 00:07:52 <Zer0cool> humm then im stuck , will try now ...
Nov 10 00:08:01 <merlin1991> we've found an answer for that problem, but I have no clue when
Nov 10 00:08:48 <Zer0cool> i had similar problem while back but same commands wont work this time... 
Nov 10 00:09:31 <Zer0cool> if i add sleep to the end still same issue 
Nov 10 00:11:13 <merlin1991> damn I'm at the very last package to compile and now I fail on msgfmt missing
Nov 10 00:12:28 <merlin1991> nfc wich package holds that file
Nov 10 00:12:30 <NIN101> Zer0cool: and last time you have been told to put the stuff in shellscript with +x permission IIRC
Nov 10 00:12:43 <luke-jr> [18:33:51] <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that?  <--- ?
Nov 10 00:13:42 <Zer0cool> NIN101 i already did that thanks ...
Nov 10 00:20:22 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: ???
Nov 10 00:20:52 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: <Shapeshifter> Mh. I think there are several things wrong with kernel-power.  <luke-jr> Shapeshifter: what a coincidence! I think so too!
Nov 10 00:21:28 <luke-jr> oh
Nov 10 00:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: would you mind to get specific about that? I agree that a lot of the pulled-in/enabled patches/modules haven't seen proper review and evaluation. but I'm not goinf to do a complete review on *all* those, and even when I did I for sure won't spot all oopsies
Nov 10 00:22:35 <DocScrutinizer> <DocScrutinizer> so some pointers about where to dig are welcome
Nov 10 00:23:10 <LaoLang_cool> How to set xterm's foreground/background? In settting gui, I can't set the clor in color code, say #ffffff
Nov 10 00:23:19 <LaoLang_cool> I want to set it presicely
Nov 10 00:23:32 <DocScrutinizer> mompls
Nov 10 00:24:02 <DocScrutinizer> http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/
Nov 10 00:28:46 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: I can't find the info that I want, could you point me out please?...
Nov 10 00:29:10 <Zer0cool> @doc what ever happened to maemo-hackers.org is the site dead now ?? 
Nov 10 00:29:28 <Zer0cool> thanks for link to osso-xterm 
Nov 10 00:29:28 <DocScrutinizer> sorry this is all I know about it, can't point you to anything better. Just thought it might help 
Nov 10 00:29:54 <DocScrutinizer> Zer0cool: no idea
Nov 10 00:30:15 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: thanks all the same. I thought xterm should have a .Xdefaults concept like it does on xorg.
Nov 10 00:30:40 <merlin1991> how dare you maemo.org/packages to be down NOW!
Nov 10 00:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> well, seems osso-xterm is quite different in some respects
Nov 10 00:32:17 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: before my N900 went unusable before my vacation, it rebooted whenever I tried to use mobile hotspot; it also randomly stopped responding to incoming connections
Nov 10 00:32:22 <DocScrutinizer> anyway first ³ on that page I linked is about 256color thingie, so I thought it might be related
Nov 10 00:32:34 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: when reinstalling, using the latest version rendered my N900 unbootable
Nov 10 00:33:48 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: duh, that's sth that probably shouldn't need a ticket ;)
Nov 10 00:34:27 <DocScrutinizer> I have to admit I never tested a newer version than 46?
Nov 10 00:35:36 <luke-jr> the latest I could find working is 42
Nov 10 00:40:09 <Zer0cool> does anybody know if you can open a port on N900 ??
Nov 10 01:16:55 <pigeon> is there a way to allow the "Notes" app on the n900 to run multiple instances (or just multiple windows)?
Nov 10 02:34:42 <merlin1991> does someone have an example of an application that uses qt-mobility, but teh version from the pr image/sdk and not the one from extras-devel?
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