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Nov 15 03:08:18 <jonwil> so yeah it seems to be closed (probably because it has "nokia proprietary" or "TI proprietary" or "camera-sensor-maker proprietary" algorithms for getting the best possible output from the camera
Nov 15 03:15:26 <Zer0cool> anybody here use SET on there N900 ??
Nov 15 06:18:56 <slonopotamus> so. should i apt-get upgrade my n900 or not? there are some maemosec updates coming in
Nov 15 06:45:25 <Sicelo> no.u should not
Nov 15 06:45:52 <Sicelo> use HAM
Nov 15 07:48:14 <Macer> maemosec updates? :)
Nov 15 07:48:21 <Macer> there was one from april
Nov 15 07:48:23 <Macer> heh
Nov 15 09:07:37 <neal> I've promoted the woodchuck server to extras, but apt-woodchuck still needs one more vote!  http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/apt-woodchuck/0.4~20111102-7/
Nov 15 09:08:28 <LaoLang_cool> Hi, which font do you use in xterm?
Nov 15 09:10:56 <Sicelo> MHeiGB18030C-Medium Light
Nov 15 09:13:42 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo: hi, Yes, it's nice, though it's a font for Chinese, but it has closer space between charactors
Nov 15 09:16:17 <Sicelo> that's why i use it.. to see more ;) (i ssh from the device most of the the time)
Nov 15 09:18:01 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo: I notice the speed in ssh to n900 is slow, what about you?
Nov 15 09:18:51 <Sicelo> depends on network connection.. my crappy 2.5G works well usually
Nov 15 09:19:04 <r00t|n900> over what type of link?
Nov 15 09:19:22 <Sicelo> oh.. ssh to n900.. if on wifi, psm will cause lag
Nov 15 09:20:18 <r00t|n900> i use ppp over bluetooth, works fine
Nov 15 09:20:42 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo: yes, on wifi
Nov 15 09:20:49 <LaoLang_cool> psm?
Nov 15 09:21:40 <LaoLang_cool> So the slow is normal when ssh over wifi?
Nov 15 09:21:42 <Sicelo> http://wiki.maemo.org/Wifi_power_saving_mode
Nov 15 09:21:48 <r00t|n900> powe saving, says google
Nov 15 09:22:38 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo: thanks!
Nov 15 09:22:39 <psycho_oreos> it takes about 3 seconds to get a password prompt from a connection to N900 via SSH over wifi. That is without any PSM and without any heavy loads on the N900 at all
Nov 15 09:22:59 <psycho_oreos> maybe 2 actually, but 3 being the most
Nov 15 09:23:23 <r00t|n900> n900 UI sucks
Nov 15 09:23:52 <psycho_oreos> so go design your own UI and be happy
Nov 15 09:23:57 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 15 09:26:39 <r00t|n900> the difference between "switch to xchat" and "close xchat" when hitting the task manager with your thumb is a bit small...
Nov 15 09:28:07 <psycho_oreos> if you have an enlarged thumb yeah I can see why
Nov 15 09:28:13 <psycho_oreos> :)
Nov 15 09:28:19 <r00t|n900> i'd prefer to jusr run matchbox, but i doubt it's compatible with the apps
Nov 15 09:30:19 <r00t|n900> psycho: or if you have more than two or six windows open...
Nov 15 09:31:50 <psycho_oreos> r00t|n900, if you have CSSU/MHD installed its a simple matter of Ctrl/Fn + Backspace
Nov 15 09:43:18 <r00t|n900> psycho: thanks, will try
Nov 15 09:45:56 <psycho_oreos> r00t|n900, there's a trick to doing it right though, When you hold down Ctrl/Fn and press Backspace you can switch between programs but when you let go of Ctrl/Fn after you have switched to your desired program window (after you stopped press/hold Backspace) it will maximise that program window. However sometimes if you don't do it right or too slow it seems to leave you in `switcher' window instead of maximising the program of your choice
Nov 15 09:46:44 <Sicelo> it has to do with which one u 'lift' first :)
Nov 15 09:47:38 <psycho_oreos> well yeah that'll take time for me ;)
Nov 15 09:47:51 <Sicelo> if u lift Tab first, then 'highlighted' window is maximized, otherwise u are returned to switcher
Nov 15 09:49:54 <Macer> hi
Nov 15 09:53:54 <LaoLang_cool> I'm looking for fetchmail, procmail
Nov 15 09:54:00 <LaoLang_cool> No port to N900 :(
Nov 15 09:54:22 <Macer> make it
Nov 15 09:54:31 <LaoLang_cool> Macer: If I know :)
Nov 15 09:54:53 * pavi is upgrading to community SSU on N900 
Nov 15 09:55:15 <pavi> Whats new in community SSU ?
Nov 15 09:55:29 <psycho_oreos> portrait hildon desktop?
Nov 15 09:55:34 <pavi> http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2011/02/community-ssu-features-to-look-forward.html
Nov 15 09:58:18 <DocScrutinizer> err isn't that blog post getting a bit dusty
Nov 15 09:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> ~cssu
Nov 15 09:58:26 <infobot> methinks cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Nov 15 09:59:19 <psycho_oreos> heh very dusty, February entry
Nov 15 09:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> r00t|n900: (ctl-bs) see:
Nov 15 09:59:57 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Nov 15 09:59:58 <infobot> hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 15 10:00:13 <DocScrutinizer> and even a video link therein
Nov 15 10:03:09 <vdv> hi all
Nov 15 10:03:20 <vdv> where should translation files be located on maemo5?
Nov 15 10:03:32 <vdv> qt translation files, qm's
Nov 15 10:03:44 <psycho_oreos>  /usr/share/locale?
Nov 15 10:04:16 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ <--- scroll down to N900 section
Nov 15 10:05:13 <pavi> psycho_oreos, whats new and happening after the meego dust has settled !
Nov 15 10:07:32 <psycho_oreos> pavi, nothing particularly big, just kernel power gets updated constantly, 720p hack is made available (albeit with setbacks) and CSSU updates afaik.. people are talking about N9 these days on tmo threads
Nov 15 10:07:45 <psycho_oreos> pavi, you're not by any chance related to qwerty12 are you? lol
Nov 15 10:07:57 <pavi> psycho_oreos, nopes
Nov 15 10:08:07 <pavi> 720p hack sounds cool :)
Nov 15 10:08:57 <psycho_oreos> pavi, heh just a weird speculation that somehow the handle reminded me of someone else's name (possibly short form/nickname)
Nov 15 10:11:36 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: nice website, thank you!
Nov 15 10:12:07 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, its not mine, its a site found by someone else who happened to be looking for ntpdate precompiled binary
Nov 15 10:12:39 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: thank you for the info! ^^
Nov 15 10:12:40 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=867533&postcount=1 <-- that thread
Nov 15 10:12:43 <jonwil> ~seen pali
Nov 15 10:12:46 <infobot> pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 12h 58m 44s ago, saying: 'btw, how is state of kernel module for battery charging?'.
Nov 15 10:13:09 <Macer> heh
Nov 15 10:14:50 <jonwil> ok, as soon as I can get git inside scratchbox to not try and talk to an IPv6 address for gitoroious when I have no IPv6 connectivity, I am going to begin work on turning the posted 0.0.9 source code for the certman applet into an 0.1.4 tree :) 
Nov 15 10:15:35 <jonwil> I am currently rebuilding core networking things without ipv6 support in the hope that fixes it
Nov 15 10:15:55 <jonwil> although I suspect I need a non-v6 kernel :)
Nov 15 10:34:05 <LaoLang_cool> Which font on the screen shot at http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/ ?
Nov 15 10:34:54 <psycho_oreos> there's 2 screenshots, the initial one?
Nov 15 10:35:02 <LaoLang_cool> It looks like bitstream vesa
Nov 15 10:35:14 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: http://home.mminternet.com/delaroca/index.html/screenshot-alpine.png
Nov 15 10:36:02 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, yeah the first one, hmm wouldn't have a clue because that screenshot comes from N8x0 device not N900 :)
Nov 15 10:37:15 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: I think I need a dejavu vesa on N900, It contains more symbols and looks nice
Nov 15 10:39:25 <LaoLang_cool> Still looking for a cli pic viewer :(
Nov 15 10:39:59 <LaoLang_cool> a viewer that can view pic in original size is needed too
Nov 15 10:40:01 <psycho_oreos> I guess you may need to port that yourself then lol
Nov 15 10:40:12 <psycho_oreos> image editors didn't help?
Nov 15 10:40:31 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: Haven't had a try...
Nov 15 10:40:59 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, no point asking if you haven't bothered to try lol
Nov 15 10:41:00 <LaoLang_cool> I tried imagemagick, but it has some problem, it always popup a icon window when viewing pic
Nov 15 10:41:21 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: I prefer a cli tool
Nov 15 10:41:26 <psycho_oreos> I'd check help/menu for ways to turn it off, there's probably a switch to do it anyway
Nov 15 10:41:52 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, not likely, considering there's not many CLI image viewers are available out there
Nov 15 10:42:11 <psycho_oreos> I mean just for linux alone, there's maybe less than a handful
Nov 15 10:42:46 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: yup, I need to get used to n900's style
Nov 15 10:43:07 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, more like you need to stop demanding too much out of that poor N900 :)
Nov 15 10:43:08 <LaoLang_cool> Using it only for 3 days, but like it very much
Nov 15 11:06:38 <trumee> Is it possible to use 3g and wifi at the same time on N900?
Nov 15 11:07:13 <psycho_oreos> no
Nov 15 11:07:29 <neal> not using icd
Nov 15 11:07:29 <trumee> I have my router connected via usb to N900 which is feeding wifi to all the devices. I want to now connect N900 to the wifi on the router as well
Nov 15 11:07:31 <psycho_oreos> not without creating something like load balancing
Nov 15 11:07:33 <neal> but yes, it is
Nov 15 11:10:10 <psycho_oreos> by the first instance you meant wireless devices are connected via adhoc mode? also assuming if you have that, you can have N900 associated/connected to the router (via wifi) as well. I don't see what's the point in this whole exercise but its probably doable
Nov 15 11:12:54 <trumee> psycho_oreos: My n900 is acting as a dumb modem (via usb) to my wifi router. I want to connect N900 to the wifi router as well via wifi.
Nov 15 11:14:07 <psycho_oreos> trumee, well that goes back to what neal said, not with icd. Though you might be able to do it via command line
Nov 15 11:14:29 <trumee> neal: how can i do that?
Nov 15 11:14:39 <neal> ifconfig
Nov 15 11:15:57 <psycho_oreos> more like iwconfig, check route as well
Nov 15 11:16:11 <psycho_oreos> err iwconfig, ifconfig and check route
Nov 15 12:17:54 <Phlogistique> neal: is your repo down?
Nov 15 12:35:20 <jonwil> bah gcc is taking forever to compile on this Gentoo box :(
Nov 15 13:40:38 <LaoLang_cool> How to take a photo with the object that's in a very close distance?
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Nov 15 13:58:58 <penguinbait> is anybody out there?
Nov 15 13:59:18 <penguinbait> beside me of course, I have been out there for years
Nov 15 14:01:09 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 15 14:01:45 <penguinbait> I thought the who net was gone there for a moment
Nov 15 14:01:56 <penguinbait> s/who/whole
Nov 15 14:03:49 <LaoLang_cool> yup
Nov 15 14:28:12 <dangergrrl> ok, i got ipv4 routing through the wifi on n900 from usbnet
Nov 15 14:28:22 <dangergrrl> is it hard to get ipv6 too?
Nov 15 14:29:11 <dangergrrl> i confess to total lack of experience with ipv6 but this isp seems to have it
Nov 15 14:30:00 <merlin1991> if I understand ipv6 correctly there is no such thing as nat or masquerade for ipv6
Nov 15 14:30:54 <dangergrrl> oh
Nov 15 14:31:34 <dm8tbr> your ISP should provide you at least a /64. usually then the router would be handing out the prefix by sending RA
Nov 15 14:31:45 <dangergrrl> i know xchat on the n900 itself is getting ipv6 addresses for servers sometimes
Nov 15 14:32:13 <dangergrrl> it sounds much more difficult to wrap my thoughts around early in the day :)
Nov 15 14:32:23 <dm8tbr> DNS will always resolve also AAAA if asked for it. the question is if you really have connectivity
Nov 15 14:32:40 <dangergrrl> aha
Nov 15 14:33:07 <dangergrrl> actually it fails to connect when it tries ipv6 addresses
Nov 15 14:33:26 <dangergrrl> it is a local configuration problem that it tries i guess
Nov 15 14:34:39 <dm8tbr> then you might not have ipv6 and it just resolves the addresses, fails to connect because there is no route
Nov 15 14:34:47 <dm8tbr> ip -6 route
Nov 15 14:35:02 <dm8tbr> will tell you if you have a default route or a route to 2000::/3
Nov 15 14:37:45 <dangergrrl> ip: not found
Nov 15 14:38:23 <dangergrrl> netstat -r would not help?
Nov 15 14:38:35 <dangergrrl> n900 i know has netstat
Nov 15 14:41:30 <dm8tbr> cat /proc/net/ipv6_route
Nov 15 14:41:31 <dm8tbr> ;)
Nov 15 14:41:54 <dm8tbr> (if a line starts with 2 then you most likely have a route to the world)
Nov 15 14:42:23 <dm8tbr> netstat -r -6 seems to work on a debian box
Nov 15 14:43:43 <dangergrrl> aha
Nov 15 14:44:04 <dangergrrl> no idea why xchat is asking for ipv6 addrs when it has no routes then :)
Nov 15 14:44:30 <Sicelo> (sorry to interrupt.. where's the wiki page dangergrrl ;)
Nov 15 14:46:01 <dangergrrl> i haven't touched it yet, i am reinstalling my desktop and have no gui yet
Nov 15 14:46:25 <dangergrrl> had jan 2010 gentoo on here
Nov 15 14:46:36 <dangergrrl> and i am trying to be a funtoo dev :)
Nov 15 14:50:42 <sat2050> guys 
Nov 15 14:50:55 <sat2050> can some one help me with my micro sd problem
Nov 15 14:51:12 <dangergrrl> only if you actually ask your question :)
Nov 15 14:51:13 <sat2050> [ 5131.605468] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible
Nov 15 14:51:13 <sat2050> [ 5134.465606] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible
Nov 15 14:51:13 <sat2050> [ 5134.804016] mmc0: unrecognised CSD structure version 3
Nov 15 14:51:13 <sat2050> [ 5134.911071] mmc0: error -22 whilst initialising SD card
Nov 15 14:51:21 <sat2050> i m getting this in my dmesg
Nov 15 14:51:33 <sat2050> i had installed nitdroid
Nov 15 14:51:45 <sat2050> and then my phone was flashed
Nov 15 14:51:49 <dangergrrl> did you google the thrid message?
Nov 15 14:51:54 <sat2050> i did
Nov 15 14:52:21 <sat2050> but no replies to rectify the problem
Nov 15 14:59:51 <neal> sat2050: If you open the cover, the micro sd card is disconnected.
Nov 15 15:00:19 <neal> sat2050: apparently people like to take out their battery so that their boss/spouse/whatever gets a phone unreachable message.
Nov 15 15:05:30 <sat2050> if i open the cover
Nov 15 15:05:34 <sat2050> sd card is inaccessible
Nov 15 15:05:46 <neal> yes
Nov 15 15:05:48 <sat2050> and when i close the cover it becomes accessible again
Nov 15 15:05:51 <neal> that is what I said
Nov 15 15:06:10 <neal> it's a feature
Nov 15 15:06:17 <sat2050> yea i knw
Nov 15 15:06:30 <sat2050> but my problem is that my card is not getting recognised by the device
Nov 15 15:06:41 <sat2050> seems some kind of driver issue
Nov 15 15:09:15 <sat2050> i just want to know if my card is damaged or not
Nov 15 15:13:54 <dangergrrl> your card in theory should not be danaged by software
Nov 15 15:14:07 <dangergrrl> but i do not know this to be true for certain
Nov 15 15:18:13 <sat2050> hmmm
Nov 15 15:18:14 <sat2050> k
Nov 15 15:18:22 <sat2050> wwill try other kernels
Nov 15 16:02:50 <rm_work> anyone here speak french? I need really quick translation help
Nov 15 16:03:14 <neal> I'm not sure how speaking is going to help you.
Nov 15 16:04:02 <rm_work> Well, I'll assume someone who speaks French is also literate
Nov 15 16:04:08 <rm_work> though I suppose that may not always hold true
Nov 15 16:04:14 <neal> interesting theory
Nov 15 16:04:36 <rm_work> then again, they could sort of sound it out and i'd figure out how to spell it :)
Nov 15 16:04:46 <rm_work> so that'd still work
Nov 15 16:05:03 <Corsac> rm_work: shoot
Nov 15 16:05:29 <rm_work> I'm trying to make a button in my app for "Choose Requestor"
Nov 15 16:05:38 <rm_work> or "Select Requestor" or similar
Nov 15 16:05:50 <Corsac> what is a requestor in your app?
Nov 15 16:05:59 <rm_work> someone who is making a request
Nov 15 16:06:04 <rm_work> am trying to figure out how to tell you
Nov 15 16:06:05 <rm_work> sec
Nov 15 16:06:18 <Corsac> (note that I'm french, if that helps)
Nov 15 16:06:22 <rm_work> heh
Nov 15 16:06:44 <rm_work> well -- imagine I ask you to fetch me a pen for a friend
Nov 15 16:06:55 <rm_work> and you ask me back "who is the person who requested the pen"
Nov 15 16:07:02 <rm_work> minus the part about the pen
Nov 15 16:07:05 <Corsac> so it'd be « Demandeur »
Nov 15 16:07:10 <rm_work> that's it?
Nov 15 16:07:14 <Corsac> but with the whole context it might help me :)
Nov 15 16:07:17 <rm_work> yeah
Nov 15 16:07:26 <rm_work> it's essentially for an IT helpdesk type system,
Nov 15 16:07:37 <rm_work> they get calls, they file a ticket on behalf of someone else
Nov 15 16:07:42 <Corsac> then yeah, Demandeur looks fine
Nov 15 16:08:32 <rm_work> Alright! see, this is when google translate fails
Nov 15 16:08:41 <rm_work> It gave me "Demandeur"
Nov 15 16:08:52 <rm_work> but also "Sélectionnez"
Nov 15 16:08:53 <rm_work> or
Nov 15 16:09:14 <rm_work> "Choisissez", etc... depending on what word i used for "select/choose/pick"
Nov 15 16:24:58 <neal> ShadowJK, DocScrutinizer: another test: writing directly to my memory card: 15.7 MB/s, writing to a file on an ext3 file system on the memory card: 5.5 MB/s.
Nov 15 16:25:18 <hakkattakk> hi, I have a strange problem with my n900. It doesn't charge when I use a USB-charger (wall-charger) but it charge fine with my computer. I have tried many different chargers (one worked yesterday, but does not work after I got this problem). Does anyone have a sulotion to this? I forgot my original wall-charger last time I visited my parents, so I haven´t tried the original charger after I 
Nov 15 16:25:18 <hakkattakk> got this problem. Please help me to solve this :)
Nov 15 16:29:40 <HaXeri> hakkattakk: your charger is broken :D
Nov 15 16:29:42 <SpeedEvil> Check the cable.
Nov 15 16:30:16 <hakkattakk> I use the original USB-cable
Nov 15 16:30:21 <hakkattakk> that works on my computer
Nov 15 16:30:23 <neal> shadowjk, DocScrutinizer: 10 MB/s writing to fat32.
Nov 15 16:31:05 <hakkattakk> I have tried one fake and one real iPhone-charger
Nov 15 16:31:21 <hakkattakk> I have also tried with another microUSB-cable
Nov 15 16:34:08 <hakkattakk> the fake chrager worked one night, but my n900 haven´t been able to charge with a wall-charger after that.
Nov 15 16:37:59 <hakkattakk> I have the same problem as TS in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54981
Nov 15 16:41:54 <ShadowJK> neal, seems similar to what I've seen
Nov 15 16:43:07 <ShadowJK> neal, if you want to experiment, try different ext3 journal modes (data= journal,ordered,writeback), and also try with a huge journal
Nov 15 18:05:08 <freemangordon> ~seen pali
Nov 15 18:05:11 <infobot> pali <~quassel@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1d 20h 51m 6s ago, saying: 'btw, how is state of kernel module for battery charging?'.
Nov 15 18:26:58 <neal> hakkattakk: Interesting.
Nov 15 18:27:13 <neal> hakkattakk: I see the same thing with my N900.
Nov 15 18:28:03 <neal> hakkattakk: Before it no longer charged in the wall, I could play with the usb cord a bit and then it would make a connection and charge.
Nov 15 18:28:11 <neal> hakkattakk: Then it wouldn't charge at all.
Nov 15 18:28:41 <neal> hakkattakk: But, it seems that charging via a usb cable connect to a computer works.
Nov 15 18:39:25 <ShadowJK> usb port about to eject itself
Nov 15 19:23:50 <badcloud> what packages do I need to natively compile on the n900?
Nov 15 19:25:29 <aholler> the same as on every linux box, start with gcc
Nov 15 19:25:49 <badcloud> aholler: thanks
Nov 15 19:29:18 <luke-jr> badcloud: easier to install Gentoo :p
Nov 15 19:42:38 <badcloud> luke-jr: on the n900?
Nov 15 19:42:51 <luke-jr> badcloud: yeah
Nov 15 19:43:03 <badcloud> luke-jr: sounds adventurous
Nov 15 19:43:35 <badcloud> I'm trying to install easy debian but the img download is taking forEVER
Nov 15 19:43:47 <luke-jr> badcloud: slonopotamus and I have a N900 overlay
Nov 15 19:43:56 <luke-jr> (N810 as well)
Nov 15 19:44:26 <badcloud> slonopotamus?
Nov 15 19:47:42 <luke-jr> badcloud: another Gentoo user
Nov 15 19:48:39 <badcloud> luke-jr: are there tarballs I can try out?
Nov 15 19:48:53 <luke-jr> badcloud: there is a stage3
Nov 15 19:49:07 <luke-jr> http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0
Nov 15 19:49:24 <luke-jr> wait, that's for N810
Nov 15 19:49:45 <luke-jr> oh right, slono was N8x0 only, not N900
Nov 15 19:51:03 <luke-jr> 1 sec
Nov 15 19:52:25 <luke-jr> http://gentoo.ussg.indiana.edu/releases/arm/autobuilds/current-stage3-armv7a/
Nov 15 19:52:38 <luke-jr> hmm, they just have hardfp stage3 now… I wonder if it's compatible
Nov 15 19:56:04 <luke-jr> http://gentoo.ussg.indiana.edu/releases/arm/autobuilds/20111018/armv7a-unknown-linux-gnueabi/
Nov 15 19:56:08 <luke-jr> has some non-hardfp
Nov 15 19:58:38 <badcloud> luke-jr: thanks
Nov 15 20:04:07 <Phlogistique> neal: ping
Nov 15 20:07:36 <luke-jr> badcloud: at some point, use layman to add the n900 overlay
Nov 15 20:13:24 <V13> ehlo... any garage.m.o admin here ?
Nov 15 20:18:30 <badcloud> luke-jr: thanks for the info
Nov 15 20:20:25 <DocScrutinizer51> damn 3G cuts thru my battery in mere 9h of IRC standby
Nov 15 20:20:40 <SpeedEvil> yup
Nov 15 20:26:50 <ShadowJK> I've never managed to get 3g to last that long on irc :)
Nov 15 20:32:04 * badcloud gives DocScrutinizer51 and SpeedEvil all of his booze
Nov 15 20:33:45 * SpeedEvil does not drink alcohol.
Nov 15 20:35:07 * badcloud prepares and hands SpeedEvil a Shirley Temple
Nov 15 20:35:20 <SpeedEvil> I prefer them a little more mature.
Nov 15 20:36:03 * badcloud prepares and hands SpeedEvil a Judy Dench
Nov 15 20:45:36 <badcloud> what's user's default ssh password?
Nov 15 20:45:52 <mgedmin> the user account is locked by default
Nov 15 20:45:59 <badcloud> mgedmin: ah ok
Nov 15 20:46:17 <mgedmin> I recommend dropping a /home/user/.ssh/authorized_keys, and unlocking the accound with passwd -d
Nov 15 20:46:28 <mgedmin> or you can just set a passwd with passwd
Nov 15 20:46:41 <mgedmin> the SDK Connectivity Tool does that for the 'developer' user
Nov 15 20:46:46 <badcloud> mgedmin: I'll try the second one
Nov 15 20:46:47 <mgedmin> with a randomly generated password
Nov 15 20:46:48 <badcloud> thanks
Nov 15 20:47:11 <mgedmin> default root password is 'rootme', but root login is disallowed in /etc/ssh/sshd_config
Nov 15 20:48:42 <V13> also, the user to use to ssh is "developer" not "user"
Nov 15 20:48:58 <V13> afaik user "user" doesn't have a pass
Nov 15 20:50:22 * mgedmin already said that :)
Nov 15 20:50:29 <badcloud> changed user pass :)
Nov 15 20:57:29 <badcloud> ok, I'll ask again only because it's really important to me, how should I go about installing 'remind'? via easy debian?
Nov 15 21:37:58 <V13> badcloud what do you mean ?
Nov 15 21:38:19 <V13> you want to install the package under easy debian ?
Nov 15 21:43:16 <badcloud> V13: I just want to install 'remind', period
Nov 15 21:43:41 <badcloud> I'm just looking for the least messy method to do that
Nov 15 21:43:55 <SpeedEvil> You need to define what you mean by install.
Nov 15 21:44:14 <SpeedEvil> Installing remind under easy-debian will not result in it being on the base system.
Nov 15 21:44:24 <badcloud> SpeedEvil: that I know
Nov 15 21:44:46 <badcloud> best case scenario: on base system
Nov 15 21:45:15 <badcloud> less case scenario: via easy debian
Nov 15 21:45:22 <badcloud> or other virtual machine
Nov 15 21:45:32 <SpeedEvil> Man page - tl;dr
Nov 15 21:45:41 <SpeedEvil> Does it simply act like cron/at?
Nov 15 21:45:51 <SpeedEvil> it stays as a daemon, and executes stuff?
Nov 15 21:46:02 <badcloud> SpeedEvil: I think it can be run as a daemon
Nov 15 21:46:15 <badcloud> but I just use it as a calendar, with optional gui frontend
Nov 15 21:46:32 <badcloud> it's easy for me to sync
Nov 15 21:46:44 <badcloud> ~.reminders/*.rem
Nov 15 21:46:56 <badcloud> I'm hooked
Nov 15 21:47:13 <SpeedEvil> In principle, you can just compile it under easy-debina, after installing build-essentials
Nov 15 21:47:16 <V13> bacloud: open a terminal under easydebian and type apt-get install remind
Nov 15 21:47:23 <SpeedEvil> Or install it
Nov 15 21:47:33 <SpeedEvil> and then copy over the required files to the base system
Nov 15 21:47:38 <SpeedEvil> Any GUI probably won't work.
Nov 15 21:47:45 <V13> bat as SpeedEvil said, it won't probably do what you want.
Nov 15 21:47:49 <V13> bat==but
Nov 15 21:47:55 <badcloud> that sounds fine
Nov 15 21:48:04 <badcloud> I don't really use gui's for it anyway
Nov 15 21:50:45 <Macer> awesome
Nov 15 21:51:00 <Macer> i am now the proud owner of scientiam.org
Nov 15 21:51:02 <Macer> :)
Nov 15 21:51:15 <badcloud> thanks for the tips SpeedEvil V13 
Nov 15 21:51:19 <SpeedEvil> Good luck.
Nov 15 21:51:46 <SpeedEvil> badcloud: you can ctually install build-essentials on the main filesystem - it's probably not a good idea though, it eats most space.
Nov 15 21:52:00 <Macer> can't believe that wasn't taken
Nov 15 21:54:50 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: I *can*
Nov 15 21:55:03 <SpeedEvil> err
Nov 15 21:55:09 <SpeedEvil> why would you want that domain?
Nov 15 21:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> what does it mean anyway?
Nov 15 21:55:52 * SpeedEvil is depressed that there is no way to kill the microsoft accounts registered through his domain.
Nov 15 21:56:09 <DocScrutinizer> HAH
Nov 15 21:56:23 <SpeedEvil> I get three emails - 'x has registered' 'welcome to ...' 'x has changed their email address'
Nov 15 21:56:31 <SpeedEvil> Several times a day.
Nov 15 21:56:45 <SpeedEvil> There shouldn't be a way to do that without the email credentials.
Nov 15 21:56:58 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Nov 15 21:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> blacklist microsoft for smtp
Nov 15 21:57:33 <Macer> lol
Nov 15 21:57:44 <Macer> really? scientiam? :)
Nov 15 21:57:53 <Macer> it means knowledge
Nov 15 21:58:20 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart latin
Nov 15 21:58:20 * infobot blasts latin to oblivion with a kamehameha wave
Nov 15 21:58:27 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Doesn't help.
Nov 15 21:58:31 <Macer> haha
Nov 15 21:58:38 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: They still have the accounts registered.
Nov 15 21:58:45 * ShadowJK was thinking it must be from the intro song of a certain anime that used latin
Nov 15 21:59:18 <Macer> no. not really. i learned that a while ago when i wondered what the word science meant
Nov 15 21:59:25 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I have no idea what kind of account and how that's related to your domain
Nov 15 21:59:43 <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing
Nov 15 22:00:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~pinglatin  <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing
Nov 15 22:00:32 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
Nov 15 22:00:42 <Macer> lmao!
Nov 15 22:00:42 <DocScrutinizer> dang
Nov 15 22:00:57 <DocScrutinizer> ~forget pinglatin  <Macer> science
Nov 15 22:00:57 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: i didn't have anything called 'pinglatin  <macer> science' to forget
Nov 15 22:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~pinlatin  <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing
Nov 15 22:01:12 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Nov 15 22:01:13 <SpeedEvil> Hello PyQaM5qG@QKWv.com,  Thank you for signing up for a Windows Live ID.  Use the e-mail address (PyQaM5qG@QKWv.com) and password you provided during sign-up to sign in at any site or service where you see the Windows Live ID logo.  
Nov 15 22:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> FUUUUUUUCK
Nov 15 22:01:25 <SpeedEvil> And then I get subsequent emails indicating it's being activated.
Nov 15 22:01:26 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 15 22:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> a last time
Nov 15 22:03:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~piglatin  <Macer> science is the english abortion of sciens.. which actually means knowing
Nov 15 22:03:18 <infobot> <Macer>way iencescay isway ethay englishway abortionway ofway iens.scay. ichwhay actuallyway eansmay owingknay
Nov 15 22:04:32 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Ah.
Nov 15 22:06:35 * V13 loves the resized root partition
Nov 15 22:06:46 <DocScrutinizer> uh?
Nov 15 22:07:03 * V13 meant home partition
Nov 15 22:07:07 <DocScrutinizer> aah
Nov 15 22:18:15 <Macer> :)
Nov 15 22:18:26 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: data means given 
Nov 15 22:18:30 * Macer hides
Nov 15 22:45:18 <arvut> hi, is there an app that can turn on the fm transmitter and mediaplsyer at a certain time? I'd like to automaticly send music to my clockradio alarm in the mornings :P
Nov 15 22:45:40 <arvut> s/mediaplsyer/mediaplayer/g
Nov 15 22:45:41 <infobot> arvut meant: hi, is there an app that can turn on the fm transmitter and mediaplayer at a certain time? I'd like to automaticly send music to my clockradio alarm in the mornings :P
Nov 15 22:45:58 <arvut> I hate that infobot...
Nov 15 22:56:12 <NIN101> one way would to enable the FM transmitter, start the song, pause the song and via alarmd running this http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Unpause_what.27s_currently_selected not sure how handy that is though :P
Nov 16 00:29:06 <dangergrrl> i have noted that heavy wlan use makes the n900 use more power than the pc provides over usb
Nov 16 00:29:52 <LaoLang_cool> dangergrrl: right, so the wlan should be turned off when idle
Nov 16 00:30:45 <dangergrrl> i am using the n900 as a wlan to usbnet router for my desktop pc
Nov 16 00:31:17 <dangergrrl> and i am broke for the month, can not just buy a usb wifi dongle :(
Nov 16 00:40:00 <ShadowJK> also connected to usb uses 80mA
Nov 16 00:40:09 <ShadowJK> active wlan 250-ish.
Nov 16 00:40:41 <ShadowJK> or 500-ish
Nov 16 00:40:47 * ShadowJK forgets
Nov 16 00:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, hard to evaluate as WLAN also keeps CPU busy
Nov 16 00:41:50 <nox-> you can lower tx power tho (if you're near the ap)
Nov 16 00:42:43 <DocScrutinizer> but I honestly doubt a N900 tethered over USB, with screen and cellmo off, will eat more than 2.5W even on heavy WLAN usage
Nov 16 00:43:16 <ShadowJK> txpower is marginal part of the power use
Nov 16 00:43:24 <DocScrutinizer> yep, indeed
Nov 16 00:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> 100mW
Nov 16 00:43:36 <nox-> ah ok
Nov 16 00:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> efficiency 50% = 200mW /5V = 40mA max on USB
Nov 16 00:44:17 <ShadowJK> The only reason that option exists is to satisfy french regulations
Nov 16 00:44:30 <ShadowJK> you can use 100mW indoors and 10mW outdoors in France
Nov 16 00:44:38 <nox-> heh
Nov 16 00:44:51 <DocScrutinizer> ooh thought it's completely prohibited outdoors
Nov 16 00:45:38 <dangergrrl> oh, i could turn the gsm off while i am home
Nov 16 00:45:55 <dangergrrl> no cell in range here, i am in a canyon
Nov 16 00:46:11 <dangergrrl> like once every 8 hours or so my text messages go through
Nov 16 00:46:26 <dangergrrl> that would lower my power use, yes?
Nov 16 00:46:46 <ShadowJK> a bit
Nov 16 00:47:12 <ShadowJK> how warm is your N900?
Nov 16 00:47:36 <dangergrrl> fairly warm
Nov 16 00:47:49 <dangergrrl> but not hot right now, my torrent finished :)
Nov 16 00:48:30 <ShadowJK> heh
Nov 16 02:00:40 <LaoLang_cool> which cmd can I run in xterm to invoke the view of app list?
Nov 16 02:01:15 <LaoLang_cool> And is it possible to hide the app list icon on the top left of the desktop?
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