**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 18 02:59:57 2011 Nov 18 05:12:03 wow Nov 18 05:12:29 there is no way the USPS is telling me that getting my hard drives will take 3 weeks :) from New Jersey to Chicago takes 3 weeks? Nov 18 05:12:35 is it coming on horseback? Nov 18 05:17:21 Macer: They ship it by boat. Nov 18 05:17:32 from nj? :) Nov 18 05:17:37 Yes. Nov 18 05:17:41 That's why it's slow. Nov 18 05:17:43 you would think train would be easier Nov 18 05:17:50 wow.. that's unexpected Nov 18 05:18:20 * SpeedEvil makes stuff up. Nov 18 05:20:06 haha Nov 18 05:20:08 :-P Nov 18 05:20:16 you had me there for a minute Nov 18 05:20:36 * slonopotamus yawns Nov 18 05:20:38 last thing i got from nj took like a week Nov 18 05:20:48 but this is 4 hard drives. i'm sure it has a bit more weight Nov 18 05:21:05 4x3TB :) for my little synology beast Nov 18 05:22:26 i'm really loving having an n900 again Nov 18 05:23:15 huh... do you see microusb connector in horror dreams each day? Nov 18 05:28:50 hmm... i have an email that bugs modest. when i hit reply, "To" field is empty Nov 18 05:38:33 yes Nov 18 05:39:31 sometimes i flash back to when my other one broke Nov 18 05:39:39 the sadness.... the tears.. the loss Nov 18 05:40:18 i am honestly curious if the one i have now (made in finland) has the same type of defect of a weak usb port Nov 18 05:40:26 or if it was just a typical asian factory thing Nov 18 05:53:23 Macer: how old was your N900 when it broke? Nov 18 05:54:40 gggs: roughtly a year and a half? Nov 18 05:55:39 also, I ordered something from the US via USPS (I'm Australian), saying "delivery in 6-10 days" and it's been 21 so far Nov 18 05:56:07 Macer: hmm, that's about how old mine is Nov 18 05:56:21 cant you just resolder it? Nov 18 05:56:43 theres a cap between the USB port and the case, of like 1mm, seems a design flaw Nov 18 05:56:49 s/cap/gap/ Nov 18 05:56:50 congo meant: theres a gap between the USB port and the case, of like 1mm, seems a design flaw Nov 18 05:56:57 wow thx Nov 18 05:57:31 hopefully mine doesnt break till some jWIN/COBY phone that runs Mer is out Nov 18 05:57:54 congo: that's not a design flaw. real design flaw is that connector isn't held by _anything_ except by its pits soldered to motherboard. Nov 18 05:58:00 congo: no Nov 18 05:58:01 tried Nov 18 05:58:06 had a buddy try Nov 18 05:58:14 almost impossible.. i don't care what anybody here says :) Nov 18 05:58:20 i believe you Nov 18 05:58:25 the solder pads are proably underneath it Nov 18 05:58:30 youd have to 'reflow the entire pcb Nov 18 05:58:42 and proably melt something else in process Nov 18 05:58:54 *pins, i meant Nov 18 05:59:20 if metal shield deforms too its a biatch Nov 18 05:59:31 no epoxy? Nov 18 06:00:03 cant they do a run of 1000 or maybe 10,000 N950s, seems like theyd sell Nov 18 06:00:17 apparently we'r too small a niche to matter Nov 18 06:00:26 slonopotamus: i thought there wer a couple points Nov 18 06:00:30 where the battery is connected Nov 18 06:00:38 on the wings of the port Nov 18 06:00:52 there's rumours otherwise that all the spare N950 are stored in their warehouses collecting dust, nokia offices around the world doing nothing more than sitting pretty Nov 18 06:01:26 psycho_oreos: let's rob them Nov 18 06:01:29 when my broke, they simply replaced the whole mb Nov 18 06:01:41 semes likely. nobody would do a run of 250, not worth it Nov 18 06:01:47 slonopotamus: well nowadays you get an e7 :) Nov 18 06:01:48 praobly 9750 of them are hiding, at least Nov 18 06:02:11 Macer: it has kb? Nov 18 06:02:15 yes Nov 18 06:02:21 but runs symbian Nov 18 06:02:33 * luke-jr peers at slonopotamus Nov 18 06:02:49 I wouldn't say 250 were handed out, the qt event had 300 to hand out and not to mention if one went to qt conference or something in finland, you get a free N950 Nov 18 06:02:56 luke-jr: what? Nov 18 06:03:05 slonopotamus: you're like never online :p Nov 18 06:03:14 psycho_oreos: i still say we should just rob them Nov 18 06:03:16 and supposedly an unknown number of N950 were handed out to commercial devs Nov 18 06:03:32 psycho_oreos: I got ignored on the N950 :/ Nov 18 06:03:44 because you weren't developing on it Nov 18 06:03:47 luke-jr, better than me, I got rejected Nov 18 06:03:48 you were putting gentoo on it Nov 18 06:03:51 :) Nov 18 06:03:59 luke-jr: meh, you scared my 3g connection Nov 18 06:04:36 slonopotamus_: lol Nov 18 06:04:50 Macer: far more productive than any Ovi cra Nov 18 06:04:52 crap* Nov 18 06:05:16 yh i run debian/e17+illume Nov 18 06:05:19 hmm Nov 18 06:05:23 luke-jr: fair point Nov 18 06:05:31 tell them you want to put it on the ovi store :) Nov 18 06:05:32 I figured since my USB didn't break in over a year I'm pretty safe :| Nov 18 06:05:34 then they'd be all ears Nov 18 06:05:36 lol Nov 18 06:05:38 and pkg it properly Nov 18 06:05:50 luke-jr: join #openwrt-devel, mb__ there is the guy who works on openwrt kernel for n8x0. he needs help with charging stuff. Nov 18 06:05:51 with pretty pictures Nov 18 06:06:04 Macer: notably, people have been pointing out that N950 is way too closed to even try to put Gentoo on it Nov 18 06:06:15 i am sure it is Nov 18 06:06:18 as well as the n9 Nov 18 06:06:18 slonopotamus_: you know we never got any specs on charging n8x0 Nov 18 06:06:30 didn't we have this "open" discussion a while back? :) there is no such thing as an open device Nov 18 06:06:32 N950 is not as crap as N9 Nov 18 06:06:49 psycho_oreos: same thing with a qwerty Nov 18 06:06:59 actually.. doesn't the n950 have less specs than the n9 hw wise? Nov 18 06:07:04 at least I've been told that N950 can accept bluetooth keyboard, N9 can't even do that.. what a load of crap Nov 18 06:07:08 like a slower cpu clock speed or something? Nov 18 06:07:33 luke-jr: have you seen https://github.com/slonopotamus/n8x0-overlay/blob/master/sys-kernel/n8x0-sources/files/3.1.1/900-n810-battery-management.patch Nov 18 06:07:36 yeah that is pretty lame Nov 18 06:07:42 slonopotamus_: noi Nov 18 06:08:03 openwrt for n8x0/ Nov 18 06:08:05 nice :) Nov 18 06:08:16 but i don't see how that works Nov 18 06:08:16 slonopotamus: N810 would be a whole lot more useful, if the battery worked Nov 18 06:08:24 usb ethernet? Nov 18 06:08:42 Macer: nobody said it was for a router Nov 18 06:08:49 oh.. then for what? Nov 18 06:08:56 low powered linux on n8x0? Nov 18 06:09:01 ipkg ftw? :) Nov 18 06:09:46 slonopotamus: what's your Gitorious name so I can let you push direct to the overlay? Nov 18 06:09:58 luke-jr: you won't believe Nov 18 06:10:18 luke-jr: suddenly, slonopotamus too Nov 18 06:10:43 * luke-jr ponders how your repo managed to get conflicting Nov 18 06:10:43 though i still think github is better :P Nov 18 06:10:50 it sucks Nov 18 06:11:23 it has a bugtracker and wiki Nov 18 06:11:33 speaking of which Nov 18 06:11:37 Removed memory-reducing flags from profiles/arch/arm/n8x0-common/make.defaults since they're hard to override <-- why? Nov 18 06:13:17 luke-jr: because i didn't want them when compiling in qemu. so either i have to copypaste whole CFLAGS but remove memory options or one who wants them just says CFLAGS="$CFLAGS --cool-memory-stuff" in his make.conf Nov 18 06:13:27 i c Nov 18 06:13:42 maybe a qemu profile would make sense Nov 18 06:13:56 -Os was replaced with -O2 since -Os caused too many stuff to break <-- like what? I didn't see -Os break *anything* Nov 18 06:14:22 (including KDE…) Nov 18 06:14:25 most importantly, qt Nov 18 06:14:59 KDE uses Qt… Nov 18 06:15:01 and worked… Nov 18 06:15:13 also, gcc hanged eating 100% cpu for several packages with -Os Nov 18 06:15:22 O.o Nov 18 06:15:28 maybe a regression? hmm Nov 18 06:15:37 revert kdrive useflag in profiles/arch/arm/n8x0-common/make.defaults <-- ? Nov 18 06:16:10 +kdrive +tslib broke xorg compilation around the time that commit was made Nov 18 06:16:20 does it still? Nov 18 06:16:27 there's a b.g.o. entry for that Nov 18 06:16:39 can't remember Nov 18 06:17:11 RESOLVED: FIXED 2010-10-04 :p Nov 18 06:17:15 if g++ maxes out physical RAM its ugly Nov 18 06:17:21 easy to do on 256mb Nov 18 06:17:36 stop suggesting xf86-video-fbdev over xf86-video-omapfb <-- omapfb is better now? Nov 18 06:18:44 luke-jr: i think you even had your n810 working when that one was made :) yep, omapfb works good Nov 18 06:18:55 luke-jr: and we even discussed this switch Nov 18 06:19:02 O.o Nov 18 06:19:17 these things are from after you moved your repo :p Nov 18 06:19:36 ebuild still allows both options as you can see Nov 18 06:19:38 why purge 2.6.38.8 ? Nov 18 06:20:38 because that's just a mirror of what openwrt has. and they (well, mb__) maintain only one kernel. Nov 18 06:21:05 * slonopotamus enters subway, 3g coverage issues expected Nov 18 06:21:08 so 3.1.1 should be at least as usable? Nov 18 06:21:24 luke-jr: it is Nov 18 06:23:20 luke-jr: if you understand what happens in charging module, you should help mb__ to finish it :) Nov 18 06:40:57 does maemo generate any internet traffic when you're not using anything on it? Nov 18 06:43:46 In gneeral, not much. Nov 18 06:44:02 It may do more on wifi than on cell - to see if tehre are new packages. Nov 18 06:44:41 apt-get remove osso-updater or something probably fixes that Nov 18 06:44:59 hate that yellow triangle Nov 18 06:47:20 heh, u want to stop checking for updates? either way, don't remove that package, if it exists Nov 18 06:48:10 congo: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check Nov 18 06:48:45 Sicelo: I hear that breaks stuff even Nov 18 06:49:03 oh 0.o Nov 18 06:49:19 i've been using that all the time, nothing weird so far Nov 18 06:49:30 I think you can't update period with it.. Nov 18 06:49:33 except at CLI Nov 18 06:49:51 u can. u have to do it manually in HAM Nov 18 06:50:20 i did that to update to 1.3.1 Nov 18 06:50:53 congo: at your own risk ;) Nov 18 06:51:13 hi all Nov 18 06:51:51 how can i create hildon menu filters? Nov 18 06:51:57 using qt Nov 18 08:29:56 hi all Nov 18 08:30:13 might anyone know why i can't find /home/user/MyDocs on my N900? Nov 18 08:30:15 Hi all. Is omweather dead or is there an update for it? Nov 18 08:30:42 Gojira: looking from where? Nov 18 08:32:16 file manager Nov 18 08:33:26 i'm trying to install the bleeding edge drivers to /mydocs/. but when it asks where to save them, i can't find it. instead it saved them to my sd card, so i'm tring to move them to the correct folder Nov 18 08:37:02 i've only just got the n900. so i'm still trying to figure this stuff out Nov 18 08:44:31 Sorry, i got disconnected. Was anyone able to help me out? Nov 18 08:56:05 Gojira: the directory File Manager opens to is /home/user/MyDocs Nov 18 09:03:43 ah? ok, that kind of makes sense Nov 18 09:05:33 Gojira: also make sure that it's not mounted to the PC instead Nov 18 09:08:38 thanks Sicelo and Edheldil Nov 18 09:09:12 and how would i extract files from a tar.gz? Nov 18 09:15:12 tar xvzf filename Nov 18 09:19:29 i'll lok it up. i've gotta go Nov 18 09:19:31 thanks Nov 18 09:19:31 seeya Nov 18 09:24:56 hello Nov 18 09:25:09 does anyone know where i can flash the latest N9 Pr1.1 firmware update from? Nov 18 09:25:33 /j #n9 Nov 18 09:28:48 Sicelo: ? Nov 18 09:29:08 do Hildon/GTK apps run on N9? Nov 18 09:29:15 i was never clear on if QT is hooked to a framebufferr or X is still involved Nov 18 09:30:10 congo: it's through X Nov 18 09:30:55 trupheenix: n9 issues are taken care of in #n9 (and #harmattan, for dev stuff) Nov 18 09:38:53 trupheenix: Tizen wil praobly be without X eh? more WebOS style, with EFL crap wrapping webkit? Nov 18 09:39:04 id like to continue using Maemo apps, like Maep, on whwatever i upgrade to Nov 18 09:42:21 id be perfectly happy installing GCC/GTK/X on an android kernel if that works, and build hildon on up Nov 18 09:52:14 the rasterman thing seems a bit skeptical to me - i'd imagine the would have to roll in an Android VM/emulator somewhere to get normal users interested (wheres my apps?) so who knows if a samsung X/Gtk capable phone will ever come out Nov 18 09:55:06 Fennec people finally given up: http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/2011/11/firefox-for-android-native-android-ui/ Nov 18 09:55:24 Now, if they can only do the same for Maemo... Nov 18 09:57:36 * jonwil wishes someone would try to bring a newer Gecko into MicroB Nov 18 09:57:46 its definatly possible Nov 18 10:35:14 Do you use cron on maemo? or is there other good replace for schedule tasks? Nov 18 10:36:19 alarmed. there is fcron, and something else too.. i forget Nov 18 10:41:00 Sicelo: thank you, after searching, I think cron is still the best :) Nov 18 10:44:58 ... Nov 18 10:45:05 Refer to http://maemo.org/packages/view/cron/ Nov 18 10:45:23 3.0pl1-105 * Ported to Maemo. Artem Bukhonov1970-01-01 00:00 UTC Nov 18 10:45:35 1970-01-01 00:00 UTC? Nov 18 10:46:08 :P unix time counts from that moment Nov 18 10:46:32 O_o Nov 18 11:32:32 How to backup mms in the fmms? Nov 18 11:33:35 I've tried to backup all files under /home/usr/, but still all mms are missing after restored the whole /home/usr Nov 18 11:38:28 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/18/nokia_lumia_900_leaked_in_developer_ad/ <-- and there's differentaiotn there??? Nov 18 11:39:37 LaoLang_cool: copy everything from /home/user/.fmms/ Nov 18 11:39:50 frals: no use at all... :( Nov 18 11:40:46 I backuped whole /home/user/, including all dot file Nov 18 11:41:02 Then reflashed my N900, then extract the backup Nov 18 11:41:18 ems works, but mms all disappeared Nov 18 11:41:26 s/ems/sms/ Nov 18 11:41:27 LaoLang_cool meant: sms works, but mms all disappeared Nov 18 11:41:37 /home/user/MyDocs is a diff mount than /home Nov 18 11:41:49 thats the only place they are stored so copying that should work Nov 18 11:41:52 congo: I've umounted it before backup Nov 18 11:42:02 as long as your tar traversed mountpoints from /home on down Nov 18 11:42:16 I don't think fmms will store mms in Mydoc Nov 18 11:42:20 k Nov 18 11:42:28 no, its stored in /home/user/.fmms Nov 18 11:42:38 unless i changed it, but i dont recall doing that, so it should be there Nov 18 11:42:52 just go to that folder and see if there is a .db file there and lots of subfolders Nov 18 11:44:07 frals: yes, a mms.db and some subdir Nov 18 11:45:45 I will try to restore it again to see if I've made something wrong Nov 18 11:47:15 make sure user has permissions for everything Nov 18 11:50:22 frals: cool, my fault, it works, thank you Nov 18 11:50:34 frals: How to merge the old mms with new ones? Nov 18 11:50:54 frals: have you chosen new name already fo lockscreen mode? Nov 18 11:51:04 LaoLang_cool: uh, copying the subfolders and then inserting them manually in to the sqlite db... Nov 18 11:51:27 frals: hmm... sounds complicated Nov 18 11:52:03 LaoLang_cool: yeah, unfortunately i got a job before implemting that part of functionality Nov 18 11:52:07 or well, "unfortuantely" Nov 18 11:52:21 ZogG_laptop: not yet... still arguing with ovi qa about some stuff Nov 18 11:52:51 frals: oh, I didn't noticed you're the author! Nov 18 11:53:18 :-) Nov 18 11:53:25 frals: thank you for good job, it should be built-in in maemo Nov 18 11:53:32 frals: what's the name you setteled on? Nov 18 11:53:44 ZogG_laptop: havent settled yet either.. :D Nov 18 11:54:09 frals: I noticed that the pictures all shown at the beginning of mms, is it a bug? Nov 18 11:54:26 frals: i twitted you about taptap or simplytap =) Nov 18 11:54:47 Some pictures should be at the middle of mms. Nov 18 11:54:52 LaoLang_cool: its a feature, usually thats the most important part of the MMS ;o Nov 18 11:55:13 and implementing a proper parser was kinda low priority :) Nov 18 11:57:53 frals: it's a feature? Can I turn it off? I like to see them at the place they should be, not all at the beginning... Nov 18 11:58:54 LaoLang_cool_: cant be turned off sorry.. i just extract all the images/videos/sounds and place them at the top :( Nov 18 11:59:42 frals: ok... because I like to see the context of the picture, but at the top, I can't.. Nov 18 12:00:30 LaoLang_cool_: well, if you know python im accepting patches, all the code is at gitorious.org/fmms ;) Nov 18 12:00:51 frals: a bug report, I'm using the version at the extra, it works fine, but with extra-devel version, when the screen rotates, fmms will get no response Nov 18 12:01:59 frals: sorry I don't know :( currently it works fine, I can change myself with it :) Nov 18 12:12:52 hmmm, I wonder if any of the systemui plugins are worth cloning. we have the tklock plugin (touchscreen/keypad lock), the alarm dialog plugin, the power key menu plugin, the actingdead plugin, the emergency call plugin, the devlock plugin, the splashscreen plugin and the modechange plugin Nov 18 12:15:49 Sorry I got disconnected... Nov 18 12:40:32 hi folks, just updated to cssu :) great job, thx to all involved Nov 18 15:30:51 ghostcube: to which version? Nov 18 15:35:39 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8 Nov 18 15:39:23 DocScrutinizer: not correct? Nov 18 15:39:30 anything i missed so far? Nov 18 15:39:54 nah, I thought maybe MohammadAG managed to *finally* roll out T17.0 Nov 18 15:40:19 16.8 just fine, I heard Nov 18 15:41:11 seems we have a roadblock with autobuilder, T17 should be out since 2 or 3 days minimum Nov 18 15:41:29 oh ok :) Nov 18 15:41:46 i just noticed the whole cssu thing last night and installed it today :) Nov 18 15:42:10 DocScrutinizer: autobuilder doesn't block T17 it's all up to MohammadAG to explain why Nov 18 15:42:24 worked ok so far i had to do apt-get update install fremantle-pr cause libqt4-testing was making problems Nov 18 15:42:45 but after reboot all works fine Nov 18 15:42:53 no problems noticed so far Nov 18 15:45:32 well, there are a few known problems that should get fixed in T17 and just circumvented in Stable release which actually is blocked by autobuilder Nov 18 15:46:14 mostly related to camera and email Nov 18 16:01:03 ah ok Nov 18 16:01:05 :) Nov 18 17:05:52 how do I display hw kbd layout? I installed package but can't see it Nov 18 17:13:11 what do you mean display? Nov 18 17:13:42 purr: well, it's not there Nov 18 17:13:54 like.. cat /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 Nov 18 17:13:56 I think it doesn't work with Hebrew hw kbd layout Nov 18 17:14:02 badcloud: we'Re all lost on what you are doing Nov 18 17:14:14 DocScrutinizer: alright then Nov 18 17:14:27 I have Hebrew/English as my two hw kbd layouts Nov 18 17:14:29 what pkg is it you installed Nov 18 17:14:45 http://maemo.org/packages/view/kblayout-status/ Nov 18 17:14:50 aaah Nov 18 17:15:06 it does not work with Hebrew aparently Nov 18 17:15:36 o.O Nov 18 17:15:56 tried with sth else, like uk vs US ? Nov 18 17:16:19 US works Nov 18 17:16:42 select a non-hebrew secondary layout, e.g UK Nov 18 17:16:51 DocScrutinizer: I did, and it worked Nov 18 17:17:00 but then I can't switch to Hebrew Nov 18 17:17:05 hmm, then it's obviously a bug in this app Nov 18 17:17:42 DocScrutinizer: yep Nov 18 17:19:06 pester http://maemo.org/profile/view/subchaser/ as I don't see a valid bugtracker link or user feedback URL there Nov 18 17:19:36 DocScrutinizer: 2 steps ahead of you :) Nov 18 17:21:34 obviously, as you already used that applet, while I didn't even know of it 10 min ago Nov 18 17:22:29 ooh, >>Leave a comment on the package page.<< Nov 18 17:23:52 DocScrutinizer: no need to get defensive Nov 18 18:30:42 * DocScrutinizer feels pissed about CSSU obviously dying from disinterest and inability of pushing anything forward Nov 18 18:33:15 oh well, probably definitely about time to mirror the Nokia and Maemo repos to my private server, before somebody decides it's not worth the money to provide the official ones any longer, regarding the lack of interest Nov 18 18:38:38 Doc: Please, do Nov 18 18:38:57 Doc: I have a feeling that this stuff will go away in an instant, without much of warning. Nov 18 18:39:07 why? do you think I'd open it up for public access? :-S Nov 18 18:39:24 Hoarder! Nov 18 18:40:56 meh, when others are not even capable of joining a meeting that's been announced basically 2 weeks ago, or roll out a update with merge requests pending since months joined... Nov 18 18:41:26 probably nobody would even notice it when repos went down without any warning Nov 18 18:41:58 the very first time I tend to agree "meamo is dead" Nov 18 18:43:09 and since such comments don't really change *anything* to the better, I'll simply shut up now and focus to sth else Nov 18 21:15:48 Does CSSU still need testing? Nov 18 21:15:55 any of you know what is the screen cover usually made out of? I'm curious to see if isopropyl alcohol affects the screen protectors in general over a long period of time to exposure with alcohol Nov 18 21:16:11 I think its mostly stable now Nov 18 21:16:20 PET, with a silicone gel backing. Nov 18 21:16:40 And perhaps some exotic coating on the front if it's an expensive one Nov 18 21:17:51 nah the one I got on my main one is some cheap chinese screen protector. Its custom fitted which also makes it hard to take off easily :/ Nov 18 21:18:19 yo Nov 18 21:18:45 hi Nov 18 21:18:51 is it at all possible to access the uSD when pc suite mode is active? Nov 18 21:19:46 hmm via ssh through USB networking, yes Nov 18 21:19:59 thanks psycho_oreos Nov 18 21:20:03 that's with linux pc though Nov 18 21:20:45 tramp, oh wait your the bloke who only has N900 to use as computer right? Nov 18 21:21:06 certainly am Nov 18 21:21:14 care to comment? Nov 18 21:21:44 oh and I already use the n900 as a computer. Nov 18 21:22:16 vi_, on what linux pc? nada :) I have linux everywhere in my room :D Nov 18 21:22:30 oh that was for tramp lol Nov 18 21:22:49 linux is the only operating system i have too Nov 18 21:23:00 fuck ms in the balls Nov 18 21:23:48 heh why pay money for toys that won't behave exactly like the way you want them to :D Nov 18 21:24:06 i was looking at the usb networking and thought... Nov 18 21:24:26 there has to be an easier way, il ask meh bros on irc first Nov 18 21:24:30 heh Nov 18 21:25:45 nah I personally don't know of any other way to access N900 storage through USB hostmode under linux whilst the device is in pc suite mode Nov 18 21:26:58 thanks for your input SpeedEvil, though it seems like I have lots of reading to do lol Nov 18 21:27:21 what is module 'g_file_storage'? Nov 18 21:28:28 handles emmc and microSD(HC) (if inserted) iinm Nov 18 21:29:17 aaah Nov 18 21:29:49 it won't modprobe in pc suite mode Nov 18 21:29:57 device is busy Nov 18 21:30:04 which is teh gayest Nov 18 21:31:06 heh iir it also is loaded when one chooses mass storage mode instead of pc suite mode Nov 18 21:32:18 yah, i just read pc-suite-enable.sh Nov 18 21:42:45 Does anyone find CSSU invaluable? Nov 18 21:44:39 or essential in their N900 setup? Nov 18 22:16:24 hello? Nov 18 22:16:48 i am not too familiar with it but what is the best way to run a wiki site? Nov 18 22:31:55 get a server, install a wiki Nov 18 22:32:57 DocScrutinizer: yeah but where do i start? Nov 18 22:33:12 with "get a server" Nov 18 22:33:19 lol. i have that part Nov 18 22:33:30 but what software is best for it? Nov 18 22:33:46 depends on your priorities I guess Nov 18 22:33:47 i was hoping to find something as easy as wordpress to get going Nov 18 22:34:03 instructions for local industrial tasks Nov 18 22:34:29 so a basic instructions and howto wiki Nov 18 22:34:46 with multiple editors of course Nov 18 22:34:52 supervisors and engineers Nov 18 22:34:56 hmm, then probably mediawiki isn't the right thing for you Nov 18 22:35:14 mediawiki is what wikipedia uses? Nov 18 22:35:24 I think yes Nov 18 22:35:49 i see Nov 18 22:36:08 at least >>Powered by MediaWiki<< is to be found at bottom of a lot of wikipages, incl maemo Nov 18 22:36:31 hm Nov 18 22:36:42 but I heard it's based on MySQL and whatnot Nov 18 22:36:48 is mediawiki an easy and straightforward setup Nov 18 22:36:56 ^^^ Nov 18 22:36:57 similar to wp with just access to a db? Nov 18 22:37:14 ah ok Nov 18 22:37:33 what's wrong with mysql? :) Nov 18 22:38:00 honestly i don't have a lot of mysql experience other than basic stuff like wordpress Nov 18 22:38:19 and the occasional phpmyadmin use Nov 18 22:39:41 i will look into it tho. thanks Nov 18 22:40:14 i have just never done it before and had no idea where to start or what wiki software was available Nov 18 23:42:49 Hello, how to add sudoers automatically? I tried to add a file in /etc/sudoers.d/, but seems it doesn't source to /etc/sudoers automatically Nov 18 23:56:27 update-sudoers Nov 18 23:59:01 NIN101: Must I have to run it? I tried to reboot, but the file doesn't be sourced too Nov 18 23:59:23 I want it can be auto-sourced after n900 starts up Nov 18 23:59:36 i dunno if a reboot regenerates the file. Nov 19 00:00:14 NIN101: hmm, I got it, I thought wrong, thank you Nov 19 00:02:12 NIN101: I find that my file in /etc/sudoers.d/ can't be sourced with update-sudoers Nov 19 00:02:33 sorry Nov 19 00:02:49 My fault, let me check again, I removed that file to other dir... Nov 19 00:03:36 cool, works well, NIN101, thank you! Nov 19 00:03:46 yw Nov 19 00:05:09 n900 is a so great tool and toy :) Nov 19 00:26:59 upd*te-sudoers runs on boot Nov 19 00:27:51 we could nuke it if we got a recent sudo version though Nov 19 00:28:28 alas the one in fremantle doesn't support dirs Nov 19 00:28:37 like sudoers.d Nov 19 00:29:21 that's why we need that update-sudoers nuisance botch Nov 19 00:32:09 DocScrutinizer51: thanks for explanation :) Nov 19 00:32:56 take care, friend! editing etc/sudoers file may result in unwanted effects Nov 19 00:33:56 Another question, I try to use some fonts, they are a little huge, so I don't want them to take rootfs size, so I move them in /media/mmc1 and make symbol link into /usr/share/font/, but it can't be recorgnized by xterm Nov 19 00:34:28 fc-cache -fv can't solve it Nov 19 00:43:01 FWIW, T-Mobile has 30 minute timeouts on UDP port 500 Nov 19 00:43:06 at least over NAT64 Nov 19 00:43:13 every other port is 30 seconds Nov 19 00:43:50 * luke-jr sets up his Asterisk box to do SIP on port 500 :p Nov 19 00:50:26 LaoLang_cool: should work Nov 19 00:51:50 though I'd place them on MyDocs/.myAddonFonts/* Nov 19 01:03:23 hm Nov 19 02:05:13 * jonwil is on a mission to figure out everything one would need to do in order to replace ICD with something else (e.g. connman) Nov 19 02:05:34 either which bits need to be replaced with something new Nov 19 02:05:46 :) Nov 19 02:05:46 you know why icd is closed? Nov 19 02:05:56 Because nokia are bastards. Nov 19 02:05:56 nope Nov 19 02:06:02 heh Nov 19 02:06:03