**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Nov 19 02:59:57 2011
Nov 19 04:54:05 <Macer> well
Nov 19 04:54:21 <Macer> gvmax solved all of my gvoice woes with maemo :)
Nov 19 04:54:48 <Macer> now i just need to be connected to gtalk
Nov 19 04:55:07 <Macer> im sure that uses far less battery than constant gvoice sms polling
Nov 19 05:26:36 <LaoLang_cool> hi
Nov 19 05:28:07 <LaoLang_cool> How to use fonts not in /usr/share/font/ ?
Nov 19 05:28:30 <robbiethe1st> Um... copy your fonts to /usr/share/font?
Nov 19 05:28:36 <LaoLang_cool> I try to make a symbol link into /usr/share/font, but maemo can't recorgnize it
Nov 19 05:28:47 <LaoLang_cool> Must I copy it into the directory?
Nov 19 05:29:09 <robbiethe1st> It'd be a good idea, yes... symbolic links should work, if you do it right, though
Nov 19 05:34:15 <iluminator105> my friends phone has the ppp0 on all the time is that like a back door
Nov 19 05:36:14 <iluminator105> how do you turn ppp0 off?
Nov 19 05:52:27 <psycho_oreos> ppp0 is not a backdoor, its more like a phone interface for those legacy dialup programs. These days ppp0 serve nothing more than allowing one to access WAN through that interface and the naming is merely for nostalgic purposes
Nov 19 07:38:09 <psycho_oreos> 3 different music were involved in the making of N900 videos by nokia initially
Nov 19 09:51:06 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys able to edit the tags on threads? apart from being a moderator of course
Nov 19 09:51:24 <psycho_oreos> or am I mistaken that it is only the moderators that are allowed to edit/remove tags?
Nov 19 12:46:35 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Nov 19 12:47:00 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Nov 19 12:47:03 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 9h 38m 48s) #harmattan (4d 9h 38m 48s) #meego (4d 9h 38m 48s). Has said a total of 210 messages. Is idling for 22h 44m 10s, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.
Nov 19 12:53:06 <LaoLang_cool> hi!
Nov 19 12:53:28 <LaoLang_cool> How to set fstab? I find that fstab will be auto-regenerated after reboot
Nov 19 12:53:46 <valdyn> LaoLang_cool: its not auto-regenerated
Nov 19 12:54:06 <valdyn> LaoLang_cool: oh sorry, wrong channel
Nov 19 12:54:08 <LaoLang_cool> valdyn: but my setting on it will disappeared
Nov 19 12:54:09 <valdyn> LaoLang_cool: maybe it is
Nov 19 12:54:18 <LaoLang_cool> valdyn: :)
Nov 19 13:01:03 <NIN101> /usr/lib/genfstab.awk ; /etc/event.d/rcS-late
Nov 19 13:03:51 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101: any simpler way? it's a bit complicated to me :(
Nov 19 13:04:03 <LaoLang_cool> I want to mount fonts dir into /usr/share/fonts/
Nov 19 13:04:10 <LaoLang_cool> So I can use them for maemo
Nov 19 13:04:26 <LaoLang_cool> symbol link to fonts dir doesn't work
Nov 19 13:05:33 <NIN101> if not via fstab (not sure if mount -a is called anyway), just create a bootscript with the mount command in /etc/event.d
Nov 19 13:06:30 <NIN101> or edit /etc/event.d/rcS-late, or /etc/init.d/rcS
Nov 19 13:09:22 <freemangordon> Pali, ping
Nov 19 13:36:59 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101: the networking condition is so bad here... I tried to add mount /foo /usr/share/fonts/bar -o bind at the end near the 'end script' in rcS-late
Nov 19 13:37:08 <LaoLang_cool> but it doesn't work :(
Nov 19 13:49:50 <Pali> pong freemangordon
Nov 19 13:57:16 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101: I got disconnected, networking is terriblely bad here. I tried to add /bin/mount /dir /usr/share/fonts/myfont -o bind just before the line of end script, but it doesn't work
Nov 19 13:57:29 <NIN101> LaoLang_cool: the mounting or your font dir?
Nov 19 13:58:38 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101: the line is /bin/mount /media/mmc1/home/font/consolas /usr/share/fonts/consolas -o bind
Nov 19 13:58:50 <NIN101> oh
Nov 19 13:59:07 <NIN101> well /media/mmc1 is not mounted at that point iirc.
Nov 19 14:03:33 <LaoLang_cool> NIN101: sorry, disconnected again
Nov 19 14:03:51 <NIN101> /home/ is mounted at that point, maybe place a folder there.
Nov 19 14:03:56 <LaoLang_cool> the line I added in rcS-late is /bin/mount /media/mmc1/home/font/consolas /usr/share/fonts/consolas -o bind
Nov 19 14:04:06 <NIN101> <NIN101> well /media/mmc1 is not mounted at that point iirc.
Nov 19 14:04:16 <NIN101> I have to go now.
Nov 19 14:04:16 <NIN101> bbl
Nov 19 14:04:38 <LaoLang_cool> nini01 thank you
Nov 19 14:24:09 * jonwil is on a mission to identify all the external things one would need to handle in order to replace the ICD daemon with something new
Nov 19 14:40:49 <Phlogistique> hey
Nov 19 14:41:12 <Phlogistique> are there like, different versions of the n900 with slightly different sizes? I just received one that I think may be a forgery
Nov 19 14:47:02 <Phlogistique> http://neetwork.net/up/misc/n900_forgery1.jpg <- mine on the left, and the one I just received on the right
Nov 19 14:47:10 <Phlogistique> http://neetwork.net/up/misc/n900_forgery2.jpg
Nov 19 14:49:09 <dm8tbr> Phlogistique: it's missing the nokia logo... and I bet it doesn't boot maemo
Nov 19 14:49:55 <Phlogistique> hope I'll be able to get back my money, the guy was a top seller on ebay
Nov 19 14:50:20 <jonwil> could have been a stolen/hacked account
Nov 19 14:50:33 <jonwil> someone who stole a top sellers account to sell dodgy crap
Nov 19 14:51:00 <Phlogistique> would make sense. Well, the top seller would still have to give the money back
Nov 19 14:55:51 <SpeedEvil> No, they wouldn't.
Nov 19 14:56:33 <SpeedEvil> Paypal may in some circumstances refund your money.
Nov 19 15:01:22 <MohammadAG> you can sue I guess
Nov 19 15:01:40 <SpeedEvil> Good luck suing people overseas.
Nov 19 15:02:10 <SpeedEvil> First port of call - contact the seller.
Nov 19 15:02:18 <SpeedEvil> Then go through the ebay dispute resolution procedure.
Nov 19 15:02:29 <SpeedEvil> First - what was the auction?
Nov 19 15:04:50 <Phlogistique> http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=400241553335#ht_4377wt_946 this
Nov 19 15:05:12 <Phlogistique> (yes 71€. I was naive enough I guess)
Nov 19 15:05:23 <SpeedEvil> yeah - fake
Nov 19 15:05:26 <SpeedEvil> no TV on the real one
Nov 19 15:05:59 <SpeedEvil> Umm - it doesn't even say it's a nokia anywhere on that listing.
Nov 19 15:06:08 <Phlogistique> yes, I just noticed that
Nov 19 15:06:21 <Phlogistique> when I noticed that it doesn't say Nokia on the telephone itself
Nov 19 15:06:59 <nox-> whats that, a `nokla'?
Nov 19 15:07:23 <SpeedEvil> First, find out if it works.
Nov 19 15:07:29 <Phlogistique> SpeedEvil: why?
Nov 19 15:07:38 <SpeedEvil> If it works, and is as-described, you're up to the goodwill of the seller if they'll accept it back.
Nov 19 15:08:07 <Phlogistique> I'll try it then
Nov 19 15:10:08 <Phlogistique> oh wow
Nov 19 15:10:19 <Phlogistique> "Loading" in blue characters
Nov 19 15:10:29 <Phlogistique> "PONPO" splash screen
Nov 19 15:10:42 <Phlogistique> a faux hildon desktop
Nov 19 15:10:47 <Phlogistique> (it boots much faster though)
Nov 19 15:10:58 <SpeedEvil> Has france switched off analog TV?
Nov 19 15:11:08 <Phlogistique> SpeedEvil: I think so
Nov 19 15:11:35 <Phlogistique> the unlock slider is incredebly stiff
Nov 19 15:12:44 <Phlogistique> there is a buggy light detector
Nov 19 15:13:04 <Phlogistique> turns off the screen when I put my finger on it
Nov 19 15:14:09 <Phlogistique> Big "Goodbye" in bold blue characters when I turn it off
Nov 19 15:14:12 <Phlogistique> well
Nov 19 15:14:24 <Phlogistique> The interface is in poor French
Nov 19 15:17:39 <kerio> Phlogistique: u mad
Nov 19 15:18:18 <Phlogistique> kerio: this one was for a friend
Nov 19 15:18:34 <kerio> oh, then he mad
Nov 19 15:18:51 <kerio> but really, the seller did nothing wrong
Nov 19 15:19:35 <Phlogistique> kerio: selling forgeries is illegal
Nov 19 15:19:39 <Phlogistique> and morally wrong
Nov 19 15:19:46 <Phlogistique> I think.
Nov 19 15:20:38 <SpeedEvil> It's very similar cosmetically, but it doesn't even say nokia on the listing.
Nov 19 15:28:21 <jonwil> I see the fake phones on sites like Engadget all the time
Nov 19 15:29:18 <kerio> KIRF is awesome
Nov 19 15:46:40 <Phlogistique>  /go webo
Nov 19 15:46:44 <Phlogistique> oops
Nov 19 15:52:45 <jonwil> figuring out what the ICD daemon and its plugins do is fun :P
Nov 19 16:52:28 <Phlogistique> "Hi friend, we are not selling Nokia phone. The phone we are selling is a phone made in China. We never say that it is Nokia. And we didn't use the picture from Nokia. We just take the photo by ourselves and the photo you see is exactly the one you have received. May be you misunderstand that it is a Nokia phone. As you can see the price is so low. It is just a phone with normal function. It worth its low price. Anyway, you may think about it. We offered 14-d
Nov 19 16:53:25 <javispedro> jonwil: for some reason I think they use some code from Symbian in there
Nov 19 16:54:16 <jonwil> havent seen anything to suggest they do
Nov 19 16:54:56 <javispedro> I always thought why they went with osso-wlan-security/eapd
Nov 19 16:55:11 <jonwil> hmmm, havent looked at eapd yet
Nov 19 16:55:28 <javispedro> s/thought/wondered
Nov 19 18:58:10 <smhar> when I run the update manager I see no updates available when I do apt-get upgrade I see 65 upgrades. why is this?
Nov 19 19:01:07 <Sicelo> which packages show up as updgradeable via apt?
Nov 19 19:05:13 <smhar> camera-ui, clean900, hildon-*, libqt*, modest*, oss* , maemo-* and others
Nov 19 19:06:11 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Nov 19 19:06:23 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Nov 19 19:06:27 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (4d 15h 58m 10s) #harmattan (4d 15h 58m 10s) #meego (4d 15h 58m 10s). Has said a total of 210 messages. Is idling for 1d 5h 3m 32s, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.
Nov 19 20:11:07 <eichi> very strange. after I had information, that there is a new version of power kernel (i did not install it) my desktop is very slow and ofter it stopps half the way on closing/opening effect etc
Nov 19 20:11:32 <eichi> I did not install anything the last days. and there is also enaught memory free. reboot does not help.
Nov 19 20:12:04 <robbiethe1st> Could be your optfs needs fsck run...
Nov 19 20:15:54 <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't think that just because you received notifications about a new power kernel and you refuse to install it you would get a sluggish response from the device. I'd give what robbiethe1st's suggestion a run, maybe a restore from bm or reflash would be in order. If it isn't the issue with optfs being fragmented it could be some program that is slowing the device down.
Nov 19 20:16:17 <jargon-> is there an SSU update available for maemo5?
Nov 19 20:16:34 <jargon-> i'm seeing an indicator on my n900,but nothing on the news section of maemo.org
Nov 19 20:16:37 <psycho_oreos> robbiethe1st, btw I tried your premade rootfs image with bm, it made my device reboot after 5-10 seconds of initial bootup
Nov 19 20:16:39 <eichi> the strange thing is, the cpu is not heavy load if it freezes half the way
Nov 19 20:17:05 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, there is security update which bumps your version to PR1.3.1
Nov 19 20:17:19 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: i see. ok thanks
Nov 19 20:17:48 <psycho_oreos> also there were threads about it as well
Nov 19 20:20:32 <jonne> i just got 'malfunctioning, device shutdown in 10s' :s
Nov 19 20:20:58 <jonne> was just about to upgrade the CSSU
Nov 19 20:21:42 <NIN101> wtf?
Nov 19 20:21:56 <jonne> starts up normally, though
Nov 19 20:22:00 <psycho_oreos> I don't think this is an issue with CSSU, its probably something that you did last which makes the device now un-bootable, it could be something to do with kernel or some experimental packages you installed
Nov 19 20:22:37 <jonne> and looks like the upgrade worked
Nov 19 20:22:39 <jonne> weird
Nov 19 20:23:45 <eichi> robbiethe1st: where is the optfs thing I have to fsck? cant find it
Nov 19 20:24:05 <psycho_oreos> eichi, you'll need backupmenu in the very least
Nov 19 20:24:35 <DocScrutinizer> eichi: /opt is in fact a dir on /home
Nov 19 20:24:49 <DocScrutinizer> so it's /home that needs fsck, if any
Nov 19 20:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> rumour has it CSSU-T17 becomes available today. Seems some dust still has to settle before things stabilize around this update
Nov 19 20:32:13 <eichi> its really seems that there is a problem with the refreshing of the screen. because often parts if picture hands. why is /var/log/dpkg.log empty? Thought I can find information about last changes there
Nov 19 20:32:22 <eichi> *hangs
Nov 19 20:51:23 <NIN101> eichi: had for a short time the same issues earlier today.
Nov 19 20:51:29 <eichi> strange after deleting digiaatscene and ytube and reboot, it works again
Nov 19 20:51:37 <jargon-> is there a problem with the nokia repos? whenever i start the pkgmgr they fail to update
Nov 19 20:51:55 <jargon-> and now the CSSU update download keeps failing at 32KB
Nov 19 20:52:08 <NIN101> jargon-: lol
Nov 19 20:52:14 <NIN101> wanted to update miniature 
Nov 19 20:52:22 <NIN101> also failed at 32 KB.
Nov 19 20:52:28 <jargon-> weird
Nov 19 20:52:38 <NIN101> indeed
Nov 19 20:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> meh, Nokia repos temprarily flawed isn't an unheard thing
Nov 19 20:53:13 <jargon-> DocScrutinizer: aah ok
Nov 19 20:53:14 <NIN101> miniature isn't on nokia repos 
Nov 19 20:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> esp at weekends, thanks to murphy
Nov 19 20:53:30 <jargon-> eddie?
Nov 19 20:54:12 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murphy's_law
Nov 19 20:54:56 <jargon-> aaah i see
Nov 19 21:00:03 <NIN101> jargon-: actually, download itself works, just fails to update. I was confused. grml. head->table.  
Nov 19 21:02:51 <jargon-> NIN101: i'll try it again later
Nov 19 21:07:58 <Pali> X-Fade, maemo package interface still not see two new versions of kernel-power, please look at it
Nov 19 21:14:30 <smhar> when I run the update manager I see no updates available when I do apt-get upgrade I see 65 upgrades. why is this?
Nov 19 21:16:35 <psycho_oreos> probably user/hidden packages or packages being held back
Nov 19 21:17:10 <smhar> so should I just update with apt-get upgrade? I mean is it safe?
Nov 19 21:17:34 <SpeedEvil> upgrade may break stuff.
Nov 19 21:17:39 <SpeedEvil> update is safe
Nov 19 21:17:42 <SpeedEvil> IIRC
Nov 19 21:17:57 <SpeedEvil> or maybe I'm confused again.
Nov 19 21:18:03 <smhar> SpeedEvil, ??
Nov 19 21:18:29 <SpeedEvil> I may be thinking of dist-upgrade
Nov 19 21:18:31 <smhar> you have to update apt first  in order to upgrade. updating 
Nov 19 21:18:32 <DocScrutinizer51> nah, SpeedEvil is right
Nov 19 21:19:01 <smhar> docscrutinizer could you please explain?
Nov 19 21:19:15 <psycho_oreos> update just refreshes apt lists
Nov 19 21:19:38 <DocScrutinizer51> dist-upgrade is guaranteed to brea stuff while upgrade has reasonable ptential to do so
Nov 19 21:20:16 <MohammadAG> upgrade is usually safe
Nov 19 21:21:06 <DocScrutinizer51> nah, upgrademis unusually unsafe
Nov 19 21:21:29 <MohammadAG> why?
Nov 19 21:21:40 <DocScrutinizer51> see backscroll
Nov 19 21:22:28 <DocScrutinizer51> it is not safe per se to upgrade 65 pkgs that don't show up in HAM
Nov 19 21:22:51 <smhar> so what is the best way to update my N900?
Nov 19 21:23:14 <psycho_oreos> using HAM and forgetting about the 65 packages
Nov 19 21:23:18 <DocScrutinizer> open HAM, click on "update"
Nov 19 21:23:25 <smhar> camera-ui, clean900, hildon-*, libqt*, modest*, oss* , maemo-* and others are among the list of 'upgradeable' packages by apt-get
Nov 19 21:23:59 <DocScrutinizer> yes, and al those are highly critical regarding compatibility with other stuff that might not get upgraded
Nov 19 21:24:09 <Sicelo> what is your maemo version smhar?
Nov 19 21:25:33 <DocScrutinizer> quite usual scenario: you installed a pkg from -devel or -testing, so the repo got added to your catalog list, and now shows updates for all those pkgs you haven't installed from those "unsafe" repos
Nov 19 21:26:04 <smhar> Sicelo, 20.2010.36-2 with SSU 20.2010.36-2maemo16.8
Nov 19 21:27:46 <DocScrutinizer> smhar: you probably see an update to CSSU 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 shortly, and that will come with a lot of updated pkgs
Nov 19 21:28:33 <DocScrutinizer> Tmaemo1 is actually CSSU17
Nov 19 21:29:05 <DocScrutinizer> or *maemo17 according to pld naming scheme
Nov 19 21:29:09 <DocScrutinizer> old*
Nov 19 21:31:08 <smhar> great, is there a log of what is updated somewhere?
Nov 19 21:32:09 <jonne> are there any plans to have more apps support portrait mode in cssu?
Nov 19 21:32:22 <jonne> like modest and the contact app?µ
Nov 19 21:40:50 <jonne> ctrl-shift-r apparently enables rotation, but how do i make it permanent?
Nov 19 21:41:52 <psycho_oreos> I wouldn't do that unless you want to see many screwed up portrait modes
Nov 19 21:42:33 <jonne> i'd just want it to be permanent for modest
Nov 19 21:42:55 <jonne> and whatever other apps apparently have proper portrait mode that is disabled
Nov 19 21:43:34 <psycho_oreos> there aren't many, unless the maintainer has either made a portrait version most programs aren't
Nov 19 21:43:52 <jonne> modest and contacts seem to be ok
Nov 19 21:44:15 <jonne> and kweetheur does portrait mode without needing to ctrl-shift-r
Nov 19 21:44:48 <psycho_oreos> hmm I think there's a whitelist file within the latest released version of CSSU which may allow automatic rotation. I could be mistaken otoh
Nov 19 21:45:02 <psycho_oreos> so does fapman, but those are usually 3rd party softwares
Nov 19 21:45:06 <jonne> that would be awesome
Nov 19 21:54:20 <jonne> i saw stuff in the forums about a whitelist in transitions.ini, but i guess it hasn't made it into cssu
Nov 19 21:55:01 <MohammadAG> it's in the CSSU
Nov 19 21:56:59 <jonne> how do i enable it?
Nov 19 21:57:09 <jonne> just add the whitelist line?
Nov 19 22:01:52 <jonne> cool, that actually works
Nov 19 22:03:40 <DocScrutinizer51> it damn better does
Nov 19 22:07:01 <Macer> hi
Nov 19 22:07:23 <jonne> now i just need to figure out which apps are named what
Nov 19 22:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Nov 19 22:07:57 <psycho_oreos> dpkg -l && dpkg -L usually helps
Nov 19 22:08:38 <DocScrutinizer> a proper tool to print the real name of the process which currrently hold focus would be way smarter
Nov 19 22:10:04 <DocScrutinizer> maybe a nice improvenet to get a key-shortcut for doing that in MHD taskswitcher?
Nov 19 22:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> improvement*
Nov 19 22:10:35 <jonne> i tried top, but there's just so much running i can't tell
Nov 19 22:11:09 <psycho_oreos> top only shows which process uses the most amounts of system resource, usually sorted by CPU%
Nov 19 22:11:21 <jonne> yeah, i know
Nov 19 22:11:34 <jonne> usually your gui app should be somewhere on top
Nov 19 22:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> "press shift-?, then click on any of the task icons to copy the tasks real commandline name to clipboard"
Nov 19 22:12:15 <DocScrutinizer> sounds good to me, we should get sth like that
Nov 19 22:12:54 <jonne> but apparently some apps don't show up there, like the conversations thing
Nov 19 22:16:24 <jonne> ok, conversations is apparently rtcom-messaging-ui
Nov 19 22:16:48 <jonne> I might actually be able to use this thing with one hand now
Nov 19 22:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> maybe /usr/sbin/browserd -s 1535 -n RTComMessagingServer
Nov 19 22:21:16 <jonne> i put rtcom-messaging-ui in the whitelist and it worked instantly
Nov 19 22:21:36 <jonne> i'll play around and see what other apps can do portrait
Nov 19 22:21:58 <jonne> although messaging-ui is a bit weird as it is, right now
Nov 19 22:22:19 <jonne> i have horz scroll in the actual conversation
Nov 19 22:22:34 <jonne> but this is possibly fixable with css, right?
Nov 19 22:24:49 <jonne> lol, the photo app certainly doesn't handle rotation well
Nov 19 22:30:25 <sq-one> whats the easies way to crosscompile a simple c-programm for the n900? I saw that gcc has arm support? Any advise?
Nov 19 22:32:55 <psycho_oreos> sq-one, scratchbox, yes you can compile on N900 as well
Nov 19 22:42:22 <sq-one> okay I'll have a look at it. thx!
Nov 20 01:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> could somebody please paste result of #> apt-cache policy maemosec-certman-applet | grep Installed ;  on a PR1.3.1 without CSSU?
Nov 20 01:07:36 <LaoLang_cool> let me try
Nov 20 01:09:37 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer:   Installed: 0.1.4+0m5
Nov 20 01:09:55 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure if mine is PR1.3.1
Nov 20 01:10:00 <DocScrutinizer> and you installed latest Nokia security update?
Nov 20 01:10:09 <DocScrutinizer> aah yes
Nov 20 01:10:14 <LaoLang_cool> But I'm sure mine is winout CSSU
Nov 20 01:10:24 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: yes, latest updated
Nov 20 01:11:20 <DocScrutinizer> osso-product-info | grep OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION
Nov 20 01:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1'
Nov 20 01:11:54 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1.002'
Nov 20 01:12:05 <LaoLang_cool> Seems I'm newer :)
Nov 20 01:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, locale version 002, USA I guess
Nov 20 01:12:18 <LaoLang_cool> s/I'm/mine is/
Nov 20 01:12:19 <infobot> LaoLang_cool meant: Seems mine is newer :)
Nov 20 01:12:29 <LaoLang_cool> hmm, got it
Nov 20 01:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> so I'm not wiser than before, but thanks anyway :-)
Nov 20 01:13:57 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: but still wise haha
Nov 20 01:14:15 <DocScrutinizer> just  updated to Tmaemo1 CSSU and wonder if I actually got the newest security patches now
Nov 20 01:15:15 * DocScrutinizer <<-- idiot, should have checked versions *before* update
Nov 20 01:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> is it just me, or does a line like >>500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages<< not really match any of the repos listed in sources.list? To me this looks like a bug in apt-cache policy
Nov 20 01:28:45 <DocScrutinizer> I mean I got:
Nov 20 01:28:47 <DocScrutinizer> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./
Nov 20 01:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./
Nov 20 01:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./
Nov 20 01:29:30 <DocScrutinizer> and now which of the three the above line is referring to, the heck!
Nov 20 01:30:39 <DocScrutinizer> seems to me like apt-cache "forgets" to print the most releavnt part of that info: the subdir
Nov 20 01:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> anyway CSSU update to Tmaemo1 seems to go smoothly
Nov 20 01:37:40 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: what's wrong?
Nov 20 01:52:58 <DocScrutinizer> there were strange rants from those who should know, about updates of those pkgs not being done correctly on Tmaemo1
Nov 20 01:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> I dunno if Tmaemo1 now got those pkgs locally in the right version, or it included them from Nokia official repo (my preferred variant anyway), or it did not update at all and my investigations on that state of pks (see above) are poor
Nov 20 01:56:08 <DocScrutinizer> anyway I don't care much about if settings->certificates shows revoked certs as valid now or not, the rest of update seems to work and that's the relevant part for me
Nov 20 02:18:35 <Psi> hm.. anyone know if china post is handling the xmas load, want to order some stuff
Nov 20 02:24:06 <mykhal> i have a nokia n900 and tmobile service. is it possible to download tmobile apps?
Nov 20 02:52:26 <luke-jr> wtf is tmobile apps?
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