**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 21 02:59:58 2011 Nov 21 03:17:09 Split ACs are of the order of $500 Nov 21 03:58:05 Except that I don't have $500 to spend Nov 21 04:03:41 I got a stock N810 a while ago, I'm trying to do anything interesting with it Nov 21 04:17:55 lulzfish_4: mine is a dedicated kismet server Nov 21 04:18:18 kismet? Nov 21 04:18:36 also, dedicated? Nov 21 04:21:03 i was hoping to compile sdl or qt applications for it somehow Nov 21 04:21:25 maybe gtk if i have to Nov 21 04:23:30 I have KDE installed Nov 21 04:23:34 but not enough RAM really Nov 21 04:23:39 I run Gentoo Nov 21 04:26:54 ok, dbus logging is go, as is ICD logging. Time to go grab some useful data :) Nov 21 09:24:31 wow, timeless is online. Only now I cant remember why I wanted to talk to him... :P Nov 21 09:34:32 its not about browser-eal is it? Nov 21 09:34:52 bah he's gone Nov 21 09:52:55 yo Nov 21 09:53:07 pov robbiethe1st Nov 21 09:53:13 !pov robbiethe1st Nov 21 09:53:16 ;pov robbiethe1st Nov 21 09:53:26 ?? Nov 21 10:08:27 DocScrutinizer: Good morning. Nov 21 10:08:39 DocScrutinizer: A question if you will. Nov 21 10:08:50 Where is the backupmenu script? Nov 21 10:09:47 I have looked through /bootmenu.sh and it doesnt look like it, none of the menu text is there for example. Nov 21 10:13:39 /usr/share/backupmenu/Backupmenu.item Nov 21 10:17:57 Sicelo: thank you. You are a bro. Nov 21 10:18:18 Sicelo: whould also perhaps know where I may find the charging script the BM uses? Nov 21 10:21:33 BM indicates it is /bin/charge.sh however that file does not exist! Nov 21 10:22:51 yes, afaik BM doesn't ship a charge script on its own... use ShadowJK's.. i believe that's the one BM refers too Nov 21 10:23:20 yes, however where is it? Nov 21 10:23:37 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/charge21.sh.txt Nov 21 10:23:55 BM indicates a path of /bin/charge.sh yet there is no file /bin/charge.sh Nov 21 10:24:12 does the n900 change root during boot or somthing? Nov 21 10:25:26 change root.. i dunno. save the above script as /bin/chargae.sh Nov 21 10:26:08 I already have the script. The n900 charges during BM. Nov 21 10:26:17 I will have to ask robbie if i ever see him Nov 21 10:34:42 just finished with Fremantle port of GoldenDict 1.0.1 dictionary program, if somebody wants to test, i can share deb file :) Nov 21 11:20:09 and another N900 dead due to USB port issues :( Nov 21 11:23:05 anyone know if you still can convince nokia to give you a development N950 ? Nov 21 11:27:12 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/21/nokia_hildon_the_great_lost_platform/ Nov 21 11:28:04 * Ikarus can't go without a working N900 :\ or N950 (N9 is pointless, no keyboard, I use it 80% of the time) Nov 21 11:42:02 im waiting for TIzenSAmsung goodness. i doubt itll be any less open than n900 (a few firmware blobs etc) Nov 21 12:05:06 hello Nov 21 12:06:17 any resident BM experts here? Nov 21 12:07:47 When I try to launch backupmenu root console it fails. Nov 21 12:07:56 I am promted to enter my password... Nov 21 12:08:20 implying the 'busybox getty 115200 tty1 sh' line in BM works. Nov 21 12:08:44 actually Nov 21 12:08:56 I don't get to enter my password Nov 21 12:09:04 it asks me for username Nov 21 12:09:16 I enter root and it just crashes back to BM Nov 21 12:09:37 if I try again I can see the error that occoured after entering user name Nov 21 12:09:45 it says 'applet not found' Nov 21 12:09:51 what applet is this? Nov 21 12:09:55 why is it not found? Nov 21 12:10:46 Could this be somthing to do with busybox power Nov 21 12:10:48 ? Nov 21 12:10:56 why do you start each line with a -? Nov 21 12:11:14 what? Nov 21 12:11:30 Is there a funny character at the star of each of my klines? Nov 21 12:11:34 ^lines Nov 21 12:11:41 ^start Nov 21 12:12:38 -what? Nov 21 12:13:04 also why does /bin/charge.sh exist when I access the device from root console in BM yet not exist when I access it from normal mode? Nov 21 12:13:15 x29a: I have no idea why a - appears Nov 21 12:13:29 I am using irssi over ssh on n900. Nov 21 12:14:17 'applet not found' Nov 21 12:14:23 what applet is this refering to? Nov 21 12:15:09 N900, Y U NO MAKE SENSE? Nov 21 12:19:07 So busy box says "applet not found" when you request a program it does not contain. THe error message also details the name of the applet you erroneously asked for Nov 21 12:19:31 however in my case it is not detailing ANY applet names Nov 21 12:19:47 implying it cannot find nothing Nov 21 12:19:53 which makes 0 fucking sense Nov 21 12:26:06 probably bootmenu uses a different / Nov 21 12:57:08 oh thats interesting, charge.sh Nov 21 12:57:23 i have been using pancake's i2c charging script on his website, i think culled from a maemo forum Nov 21 12:57:39 along ith just copying over bme_rx51 and whatever libs it needed to ldd cleanly onto debian Nov 21 12:58:04 but if theres an official charge.sh, i'll have to go unsquashFSing images to read it Nov 21 13:07:04 ping X-Fade Nov 21 13:07:13 ~seen X-Fade Nov 21 13:07:15 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'. Nov 21 13:18:01 I think we are in Dependency Purgatory and nobody wants to admit it Nov 21 13:23:44 * purr yet to try Hildon/GTK apps on debian Nov 21 13:24:29 i have a feeling its going to want the world, quite fast Nov 21 13:25:16 pulseaudio on maemo was too old to talk to ubuntu's pulse over a network, i couldnt decide which was worth upgrading/backporting Nov 21 13:25:29 beacuse if i upgrade pulse on maemo, im sure telephony will stop working or so Nov 21 13:25:51 and if i just have a dumb tablet might as well jailbreak iPhone with saurik's toolchain and go all JS for my UI Nov 21 13:25:57 decisions.. Nov 21 13:27:18 a few of these Tizen posts off LWN mention GTK support (tentative) which lends credence to Xorg still being around, which is good at least Nov 21 13:27:29 possibility to run this half-decade+ of hildon apps on modern hw Nov 21 13:27:37 How to end the call? Clicking on the end call bottom on the screen is the only way? Nov 21 13:28:09 Sometimes I need to wait about 1 second to let the screen turn on again, so it's a little slow to end the call at that time Nov 21 13:28:54 I see no advantage to dropping X from whatever the next iteration of maemo/moblin/meego/whatever ends up being Nov 21 13:30:47 purr: Tizen uses X Nov 21 13:31:28 HTML5 apps - webkit was hooked right up to a fbdev on WebOS Nov 21 13:32:06 from an ecosystem standpoint it seems plausible Android emulator / Webkit plugged into fb without X is a possibility being discussed Nov 21 14:30:35 http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ Nov 21 14:30:43 so, when can we see this on the n900? :D Nov 21 14:31:32 You need a cert/. Nov 21 14:36:47 "Your iPhone sends a tons of things to Appleā€™s servers" Nov 21 14:37:07 i wonder how many billions NOKIA blew on this OVI crapware that litters MAemo on n900 Nov 21 14:37:14 maps takes like 15 seconds to launch, maep instantly Nov 21 14:37:57 considering EFL/GTK are GUI dead-ends as far as mass-adoption, im thinkin an iPod Touch is making more and more sense. Saurik's GCC can byuild anythiung, and id never use a non-HTML5 GUI at this point Nov 21 14:38:15 purr: I was wondering how many billions Nokia will loose by droping maemo/meego Nov 21 14:46:46 I bought an iPod touch Nov 21 14:46:52 it's something I'd recommend you don't buy Nov 21 14:46:56 if anything, get an iPhone instead Nov 21 14:47:41 the 256MBs of RAM make a difference Nov 21 14:48:38 you've got something with apple on it? Nov 21 14:48:50 does it make you feel dirty? Nov 21 14:48:54 and unfaithful? Nov 21 14:49:19 jacekowski, no, it makes me feel like I backstabbed myself Nov 21 14:49:54 I must admit I bought an iPod, got an iPhone from Orange to lower my bill, and got an iPad 2 as a gift Nov 21 14:50:42 i donno, iPAd is 100x as fast as my n900 in unix shell. the Flash storage / system bus or something just pwns Nov 21 14:50:59 it lives, it lives :-D Nov 21 14:51:04 and with cydia, it has apt-get. so its as unixy as n900 Nov 21 14:51:33 wait Nov 21 14:51:35 imo the kernel and videodrivers and windowmanager give X a run for hte money too Nov 21 14:51:45 so the only thing you need to make something linuxy is apt-get? Nov 21 14:52:08 I may have 3 iDevices, and may be using one of them as a main device Nov 21 14:52:29 but the iPhone is far from "unixy" Nov 21 14:52:35 well, "linuxy" Nov 21 14:52:39 it has GCC, a toolchain, a package manager, and a UNIXlike kernel Nov 21 14:52:41 MohammadAG: you got a few minutes to review aspects of Tm1 ? Seems modest is completely fsckd up now, for example Nov 21 14:52:53 how? Nov 21 14:52:55 it works fine for me Nov 21 14:53:15 I'm pretty sure I updated both libtinymail and modest Nov 21 14:53:25 according to numerous reports it now segfaults immediately after start Nov 21 14:53:40 sounds like libtinymail then Nov 21 14:53:51 err, did someone start it from terminal and see what it bitches about? Nov 21 14:53:58 ok, so if you updated it then bad enough but the fix brought regressions - well shit happens Nov 21 14:54:37 no clue, tmo madness after all Nov 21 14:54:51 BTW, iPad apps have one of the best designs for a tablet Nov 21 14:55:00 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1126668&postcount=243 Nov 21 14:55:02 every MeeGo dev should have one, for inspiration or otherwise Nov 21 14:55:11 qt quick 1.1 on maemo, possible? Nov 21 14:55:54 MohammadAG: (inspiration) exactly my words about N810 and openmoko sw devels X-D Nov 21 14:58:24 DocScrutinizer, it's true Nov 21 14:58:37 iPad apps are designed very well Nov 21 14:59:52 yes, but obviously joe average sw devel is *very* shy to look for and copy good example - either they "know it better anyway" or they think it's embarrassing to "spy" Nov 21 15:01:04 purr: Wait, tell me more. Unix thing on iPad? My wife has an iPad2 but I haven't been able to (figuratively) pry off the covers and get into the Unix internals. What is cydia, and what does it let me do? Nov 21 15:01:07 except for Nokia GUI/UX designers who obviously have a sense for picking the worst out of android and iOS and define meego according to it Nov 21 15:01:47 buzzwords tracker-"fs", no c&p Nov 21 15:01:57 kwtm2, iPad 2 isn't JB'able unless you BOUGHT it on 4.3.3 and saved SHSHs Nov 21 15:02:36 if you thought Nokia's flasher strict-ness is bad, get an iPhone and learn how it's updated/flashed Nov 21 15:02:47 I see. At work we are looking to get some new portable hardware (bring it into the room with clients rather than just having computers at our workstation.) I said I didn't want an iPad like everyone else because I can't hack it. If there is a mod available, I'm interested. Nov 21 15:02:51 basically, you download an unsigned image from Apple's server that can't be flashed Nov 21 15:03:18 then iTunes extracts it somewhere (probably encrypted parts in memory?) and signs it, then sends it to the device Nov 21 15:03:42 the signature is generated on Apple's servers, pre iOS5 this could be saved using some apps that request it from apple's servers Nov 21 15:03:51 but post iOS5, the signature can only be used once Nov 21 15:03:54 hah, that's nice! on-site-signing, can get RE'd Nov 21 15:03:58 Ok, will leave it alone. Netbook it is, Windows Something and then dual-boot linux. Nov 21 15:04:13 DocScrutinizer, signatures are blacklisted after being used once now Nov 21 15:04:26 wonder what happens when they run out of signatures Nov 21 15:04:35 HAHAHA Nov 21 15:04:53 oh wait Nov 21 15:04:56 sure, or when IPv8 numberspace expires Nov 21 15:04:56 theortically they can't Nov 21 15:05:07 the signature includes the device's IMEI or UUID or something Nov 21 15:05:18 so each device has some million-signatures Nov 21 15:05:33 DocScrutinizer: so they need to come up witha new idea in about 15 years... Nov 21 15:05:42 my iPad 2 isn't JB'able Nov 21 15:05:55 I must say it's fun to use, doesn't replace a laptop but for web stuff it's awesome Nov 21 15:06:19 kwtm2, the iPad 1 is fully hackable Nov 21 15:06:22 (afaik) Nov 21 15:06:36 the screen is pixelated as fuck on all iPads though Nov 21 15:06:42 I won't touch that shit unless Siri gets more spirit than ELIZA Nov 21 15:06:43 1024*768 I think Nov 21 15:08:09 you noticed Siri is the first *real* AI coming soon, that also has perspective to really spy on everyone of us? Nov 21 15:09:03 DocScrutinizer, Siri is useless without Apple's servers Nov 21 15:09:09 sure Nov 21 15:09:13 so is google Nov 21 15:09:14 basically, nothing is done on the iPhone besides the actual recording Nov 21 15:09:35 true, but it's being advertised without saying "You need a fucking connection" Nov 21 15:09:38 if it was done on-board I'd not be concerned Nov 21 15:10:02 I'd be way more interested if it was on board Nov 21 15:10:08 but the concept of Siri is awesome Nov 21 15:10:30 but ECHELON is a ridiculous toy compared to what Siri might be in two or three years Nov 21 15:12:08 I like how iTunes doesn't restore passwords if you changed phones Nov 21 15:12:16 Siri could eavesdrop and analyze all talks on a table in a restaurant by using the devices of random neighbour tables' guests, even when the participants on that table all have no devices at all Nov 21 15:12:21 * lardman|lab wonders how hard sentance recog is Nov 21 15:12:46 sentance recognition isn't the difficult part in a Siri clone Nov 21 15:12:57 it's the fact you can ask it anything, without having to memorize commands Nov 21 15:13:07 ~spell sentance Nov 21 15:13:08 sure Nov 21 15:13:09 possible spellings for sentance: sentence sentience stance sentenced sentences suntans suntan's sentence's suntan Santana's sentience's Nov 21 15:13:21 sun tans Nov 21 15:13:22 doh s/a/e Nov 21 15:13:28 Saying what's the weather like on android simply googles "What's the weather like" Nov 21 15:13:38 correct my mistake as per lard's Nov 21 15:14:10 MohammadAG: well you'd then make it guess a la chatbot what the user is asking for I imagine Nov 21 15:14:22 or even with a large hardcoded set of keywords, etc. Nov 21 15:14:31 Or you pass it off to a human if there is any doubt. Nov 21 15:14:40 And then feed that humans response back to the database. Nov 21 15:14:47 exactly Nov 21 15:14:52 SpeedEvil, Siri probably works like that :p Nov 21 15:14:56 docscrutinizer, that'd be actually quite a cool eavesdropping app ;-) Nov 21 15:14:59 which is exactly what Siri does all the time :-D Nov 21 15:15:02 would be nice to do on-device though, even if it's not Siri-tastic Nov 21 15:15:04 (+be) Nov 21 15:15:27 "Quick, Bill, make up a story where babies come from, some kid's asking about that" Nov 21 15:15:38 "Fuck this Joe, I can't think of anything" Nov 21 15:15:48 hehehe Nov 21 15:16:24 * lardman|lab thinks at least the start of the answer was correct Nov 21 15:16:33 MohammadAG: the fun bit is: on Siri very same moment at least 273 users talk about where babies come from to Siri at this very moment Nov 21 15:16:44 and that's how this happened http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ze6jEdvunss#t=95s Nov 21 15:17:03 so Siri doesn't basically need dedicated moderators Nov 21 15:17:05 lardman|lab, LOL Nov 21 15:17:12 the huge userbase moderates itself Nov 21 15:18:17 would be fun if it actually learns from you Nov 21 15:18:25 you bet it does Nov 21 15:18:30 like STOP FUCKING ASKING ME WHERE BABIES COME FROM Nov 21 15:18:34 after 20 times or os Nov 21 15:19:39 it should perhaps how old you are and how you can afford an iPhone if you're not yet 10 Nov 21 15:19:51 or these days s/10/5 I imagine Nov 21 15:20:40 Nokia's sending my other N950 today Nov 21 15:20:45 basically my third one from them Nov 21 15:20:47 \o/ Nov 21 15:20:57 or maybe :-S Nov 21 15:21:00 with the second one still unclaimable by me or them Nov 21 15:21:17 as then we again will miss any antention from you on fremantle Nov 21 15:21:58 you know I won't do that Nov 21 15:22:02 unless you port Aegis to fremantle Nov 21 15:22:06 I seem to remember Sphinx worked passably Nov 21 15:22:15 * lardman|lab ponders about speech recognition Nov 21 15:22:33 for whatever metrics of "passable" - yes it does Nov 21 15:22:56 wait... Nov 21 15:23:13 there's an open source speech recognition engine? Nov 21 15:23:18 yep Nov 21 15:23:22 sphinx Nov 21 15:23:27 it's in the Fremantle repo too Nov 21 15:23:30 oh nice Nov 21 15:23:41 afair, I think I uploaded it Nov 21 15:24:12 there's even a tmo thread about it Nov 21 15:24:57 that probably stalled some 9 moths ago with me promising to eventually come up with a spec for a general S2T-interface and plugin Nov 21 15:25:09 months* Nov 21 15:25:31 time to jailbreak this shit Nov 21 15:25:38 alas such a plugin needs severe messin with IM Nov 21 15:26:01 HIM actually Nov 21 15:26:17 The sad part about Siri/Google-voice-whatever-they-call-it - is that it makes it much harder for on-device recognition to get traction. Nov 21 15:26:49 What quality of voice data do they send back? Nov 21 15:27:00 I wonder if DFU mode on iOS means Device Fucked Up Nov 21 15:27:01 presumably quite low, must get expensive Nov 21 15:27:10 lardman|lab, send back? Nov 21 15:27:19 back to the server to decode it Nov 21 15:27:21 Siri is a text to speech engine Nov 21 15:27:23 oh Nov 21 15:27:30 SPEEX compressed WAV afaik Nov 21 15:28:02 ok, it's stuck at uploading ramdisk Nov 21 15:28:06 * MohammadAG oh shits Nov 21 15:28:06 I thought Siri was the whole shebang - speech -> text -> interpretation -> result presentation with spoken confirmation along the way? Nov 21 15:28:24 no Nov 21 15:28:33 nothing is done on device besides recording Nov 21 15:28:42 basically, someone got "Siri" running on a PC afaik Nov 21 15:28:57 ah ok, so the returned data is provided by the server too Nov 21 15:29:11 MohammadAG: pcketsphinx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=7256 Nov 21 15:29:15 presumably with some hooks into the local data Nov 21 15:29:40 doc: link? Nov 21 15:29:48 blank pages? Nov 21 15:30:09 yay Nov 21 15:30:13 kernel didn't segfault Nov 21 15:30:49 ooh, iOS uses fsck Nov 21 15:31:12 I think I saw btrfs somewhere there Nov 21 15:35:59 for reference http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ Nov 21 15:40:07 oooops Nov 21 15:40:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72565 Nov 21 15:40:53 ECNP Nov 21 15:42:04 is there any solid qml based apps for maemo? example? Nov 21 15:46:32 thanks DocScrutinizer Nov 21 15:46:42 yw Nov 21 15:47:03 * lardman|lab is tempted, but really should get mBarcode for the N9(50) finished Nov 21 15:47:14 too many tempting things to hack at, not enough hands or time Nov 21 15:50:36 lardman|lab: are you doing a frontend UI or just a backend library? Nov 21 15:51:14 am using ZXing as the decoder library, so just the frontend stuff, plugins, history, handing the data once decoded, camera/video handling, etc Nov 21 15:51:23 ah :P Nov 21 15:51:49 I remember we tried to use ZXing before but wasn't it OOC? Nov 21 15:52:10 it's Java, but there's a C++ port Nov 21 15:52:13 ahh Nov 21 15:52:18 that makes things much easier Nov 21 15:52:30 so you hooking it up to a UPC database? Nov 21 15:52:37 not sure the port is ideal, but I was planning on getting the frontend sorted out quickly, then doing some work on the backend Nov 21 15:52:49 unfiortunately this frontend porting/updating has taken far far too long Nov 21 15:52:59 :( Nov 21 15:53:32 I need to go back and redo Pandora again, except the right way this time, and from a current version instead of (what I found out later was) a really old version :P Nov 21 15:53:46 It will be hooked up eventually, but not in mBarcode itself, in another app which I am writing, but which is now also stalled because I need to get mBarcode finished Nov 21 15:54:08 having a 3 month old daughter seriously reduces coding hours Nov 21 15:54:22 you find a better UPC database to use than the one I used way back when? Nov 21 15:54:28 yeah, i can imagine Nov 21 15:54:39 Congratulations, BTW! I' Nov 21 15:54:49 rm_work: not really looked yet, was thinking of using a number and scraping Amazon too Nov 21 15:54:50 I've been too absent recently myself, I missed that! Nov 21 15:54:56 rm_work: thanks :) Nov 21 15:55:29 Also, half wondering what is going to happen to the community now :( Nov 21 15:55:38 yeah Nov 21 15:55:56 Nemo in the mid-term I guess, then see what new hw comes out Nov 21 15:56:11 Seriously doubting I'll have a chance to hang out with the whole gang again, which is a bit sad Nov 21 15:56:45 yeah, I was looking forward to an Autumn Harmattan conference Nov 21 16:05:48 lardman|lab: I did point you at tescos API for barcodes? Nov 21 16:05:54 I forget. Nov 21 16:06:04 Send it a barcode, it returns product info. Nov 21 16:06:19 Nutrition, ... Nov 21 16:54:47 hello people , i just had to format my phone an lost a script that locks the desktop from moving or editing short cuts anybody how to sort it .? Nov 21 17:26:04 ~cssu Nov 21 17:26:04 i guess cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Nov 21 17:27:03 is the cssu upgrade in a different repo? Nov 21 17:32:17 nah Nov 21 17:32:19 S/N in here is really bad! 2days of backlog and 0.x% signal... Nov 21 17:32:45 DocScrutinizer: now it show, I think my ham did not like me! Nov 21 17:33:36 chem|st: just make sure you haven't disabled basic Nokia repos Nov 21 17:34:25 and you might want to manually upgrade this friggin libqttest* crap, if you got it Nov 21 17:35:16 DocScrutinizer: anything about these modest-tinymail issues? Nov 21 17:35:39 some devels calim WFM while some users report complete fsckup Nov 21 17:35:46 claim* Nov 21 17:36:22 have you got a gingerbread handy? Nov 21 17:36:33 I'm sure you could downgrade tinymail/modest if you like to Nov 21 17:37:22 upgrading now, if modest is fscked up I still have ssh Nov 21 17:37:32 or even go for Stable, which kicked it completely in favour of the stock version, for now ;-D Nov 21 17:37:57 "go for stabele"? Nov 21 17:38:26 you mean install from nokia repos? Nov 21 17:38:42 or cssu stable Nov 21 17:39:03 the forthcoming CSSU-Stable version, which basically is 16.8 *minus* modest/tinymail *minus* nicocam, and with conservative presets Nov 21 17:43:49 DocScrutinizer: for modest ~WFM Nov 21 17:44:05 ~modest Nov 21 17:44:06 modest is, like, s h i t Nov 21 17:44:12 hehe Nov 21 17:45:29 what I like is to have a connection based smtp, what is needed at uni's and in several company networks Nov 21 17:45:46 DocScrutinizer: still the question if you got a gingerbread device handy?! Nov 21 17:46:18 nope Nov 21 17:46:24 ty Nov 21 17:46:55 * slonopotamus is UNSTOPPABLE! now with N800 LED working with 3.1 kernel Nov 21 17:47:03 got to hunt some food down, later Nov 21 17:51:53 is there an iwad loader for prboom which can be installed on the n900? Nov 21 17:56:28 meh Nov 21 17:58:13 is there a better nes emulator than ines maemo? the sound emulation is clunky and it doesn't read zip files Nov 21 17:59:04 should have added an 'and' before that last one Nov 21 18:00:08 hi all Nov 21 18:00:20 I need help flashing my n900, it doesn't start anymore! Nov 21 18:00:28 ~flashing Nov 21 18:00:29 i guess maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 21 18:00:38 I already flashed it many times, but this time nothing happens: Nov 21 18:00:40 http://dpaste.com/659843/ Nov 21 18:00:53 slonopotamus: thanks but I already read that Nov 21 18:01:12 cdc_phonet is already blacklisted Nov 21 18:01:24 $ lsmod | grep cdc Nov 21 18:01:26 $ Nov 21 18:01:42 any help is appreciated. thanks Nov 21 18:02:07 after that msg you plug n900 into usb and press pwr button on it Nov 21 18:02:30 Unable to enumerate USB devices! Nov 21 18:02:46 that's what the flasher says, then it exits Nov 21 18:02:53 do you run flasher as root? Nov 21 18:03:08 yes Nov 21 18:03:10 [ 451.376688] usb 1-4: new high speed USB device number 12 using ehci_hcd Nov 21 18:03:12 [ 451.770129] usb 1-4: USB disconnect, device number 12 Nov 21 18:03:13 dmesg ^ Nov 21 18:03:21 that's irrelevant to my question Nov 21 18:03:47 slonopotamus: I use "sudo flasher" then yes, I'm running it as root Nov 21 18:05:01 bash`: i think you answered this question already back in 2010 :D http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49256 Nov 21 18:05:08 let me see Nov 21 18:05:57 eh, I forgot that, but I reflashed my phone last month and there is no need to downgrade libusb Nov 21 18:06:24 in fact "blacklist cdc_phonet" >> modprobe.conf is the proper way to fix that Nov 21 18:06:35 and I already did that Nov 21 18:10:56 bash`: blacklist ehci_hcd Nov 21 18:12:32 DocScrutinizer: doesn't seem to work Nov 21 18:13:10 ohwell, the us another PC with another OS Nov 21 18:13:16 then use* Nov 21 18:13:35 you say? Nov 21 18:13:41 ok...I hope the problem is the OS... Nov 21 18:14:03 bash`: i use you as my login shell! honored to meet you! Nov 21 18:14:14 kerio: I use myself too Nov 21 18:14:26 naughty! Nov 21 18:15:29 Hello ! Nov 21 18:16:15 ok...see you later Nov 21 18:16:33 One little question: to submit a bug about a package (on N900), is there a bugzilla, or something ? Nov 21 18:16:41 Depends. Nov 21 18:17:02 rootsh: the rootsh.prerm has a typo in the if...fi Nov 21 18:17:04 http://maemo.org/packages/view/flashlight-applet/ Nov 21 18:17:08 For example Nov 21 18:17:18 See the bugtracker link Nov 21 18:17:30 okay, will look at it. thanks Nov 21 18:18:24 http://maemo.org/packages/view/rootsh/ Nov 21 18:19:00 yep, well, no bugtracker, maybe it's possible to send a message to the maintainer Nov 21 18:20:55 Tofe: >> wonder why you haven't promoted this new version (1.8) to extras-testing ? The 1.5 version has a serious bug with the uninstallation procedure. There is a shell typo there that makes (by accident) the original /usr/bin/gainroot be overwritten by the one provided in the package. rootsh 1.8 does not have this problem.<< Nov 21 18:21:14 anyone else have strange sound issues in ines? Nov 21 18:21:19 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/rootsh/1.8/ Nov 21 18:21:58 >> Attila Csipa Karma: 1425 Looks like it's an orphan package, unless qwerty12 comes back. 2010-09-01 11:25 UTC << Nov 21 18:22:21 Tofe: ^^^^ Nov 21 18:22:36 DocScrutinizer: well well well... Nov 21 18:23:04 you could probably claim maintainership for the package Nov 21 18:23:10 anyway, to become root I just type "root". what's the point of rootsh then ? Nov 21 18:23:23 LOL, exactly that Nov 21 18:23:46 (I'm brand new to meamo, I recieved my n900 yesterday, so I *may* speak nonsense) Nov 21 18:24:02 Speaking nonesense is encouraged. Nov 21 18:24:06 :) Nov 21 18:24:08 without pkg rootsh you won't have any cmd _`root` Nov 21 18:24:32 oh. Nov 21 18:24:39 IOW, pkg rootsh provides "sudo gainroot" and "root" Nov 21 18:25:07 aha, funny, I used "root" to modify the prerm file and uninstall rootsh :p Nov 21 18:25:20 I see the irony now Nov 21 18:25:26 hehehehe Nov 21 18:26:09 so, rootsh will never make it to the extra repo ? Nov 21 18:29:26 DocScrutinizer: doesn't work in windows neither Nov 21 18:29:37 ok well, rootsh reinstalled and re-fixed. not so much of a problem, but not too clean either Nov 21 18:50:38 * lardman|home thinks about cooking some bacon Nov 21 18:51:28 I say go for it. Nov 21 18:51:42 DocScrutinizer: recovered... Nov 21 19:00:22 Tofe: [2011-11-21 19:20:56] you could probably claim maintainership for the package Nov 21 19:01:03 bash`: how? Nov 21 19:01:30 DocScrutinizer: reflashing only PR_COMBINED Nov 21 19:02:29 DocScrutinizer: well, I could, but I'm quite new to all this maemo tools, I may make stupid mistakes Nov 21 19:04:33 nah, the process of uploading to extras-devel and promoting from there to -testing to extras proper is so tough defined and backed up by safety checks, you can't hardly spoil anything there Nov 21 19:05:38 but thinking of it, I might do it as well Nov 21 19:06:22 particularly for rootsh which is as tiny a pkg a starhash-enabler Nov 21 19:06:35 as* Nov 21 19:07:08 as you prefer Nov 21 20:00:14 Thanks for power-kernel-49! Great work. Nov 21 20:47:06 anyone get the fmradio to work? Nov 21 20:47:27 I've been trying some of the methods from mount c /home/raanan/.wine/drive_c/ Nov 21 20:47:32 whoops Nov 21 20:47:53 meant http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=64405 Nov 21 20:49:28 tried methods from ^ link Nov 21 20:49:39 but always get "Cannot load fm driver module" Nov 21 20:51:09 i had TO downgrade teo a yearold kernel for FM to work Nov 21 20:51:17 not sure wtf i did other than install power-kernel and apt-get upgrade unnecessarily Nov 21 20:51:46 * plate baleted apt, dpkg, and /var/lib/dpkg so i dont upgrade again. maemo is effectively stable Nov 21 20:52:30 plate: yeesh Nov 21 20:52:47 did you lose any functionality from kernel downgrade? Nov 21 20:52:53 nope Nov 21 20:53:04 the "new" kernel was still 2.6.28, so who knows what was changed Nov 21 20:53:12 ah Nov 21 20:53:32 i have 1 remaining issue with Maemo, voip.ms registration timeout no matter which KEepalive settings are chosen Nov 21 20:53:52 possibly a voip-provider issue, but im paying for a DID that rarely takes cals as a result Nov 21 20:54:01 which version kernel did you downgrade to? Nov 21 20:54:28 2.6.28.10power42 #1 PREEMPT Wed Nov 10 01:01:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown Nov 21 20:54:52 i did exactly what that thread suggests: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55710 Nov 21 20:55:42 apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42 Nov 21 20:55:51 you mean 'apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo42 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo42' ? Nov 21 20:56:03 whoops, mad delay on my part Nov 21 20:56:05 i didnt check dmesg Nov 21 20:56:07 thanks, plate Nov 21 20:56:13 to see why it wouldnt load Nov 21 20:56:33 considering fmrx is a seperate package, perhaps it needs to be rebuilt for each kernel upgrade Nov 21 20:57:44 installing, *fingers crossed" Nov 21 20:59:13 theres that ignore-version-mismatch flag you can pass to insmod/modprobe if you want to just grab an old bluetooth/fm module and try loading it Nov 21 20:59:16 not that id recommend that Nov 21 20:59:39 not sure if the module is straight up missing, or has some symbol/depmod issue on loading or what - why dont you run dmesg before downgrading? Nov 21 20:59:59 aap(:#maemo)] Thanks for power-kernel-49! <- and why dont you try upgrading, looks like a new one came out recenrtly Nov 21 21:02:37 plate: only line I could find which might be relevant from dmesg "radio_bcm2048: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module" Nov 21 21:03:49 so you're saying downgrading isn't the way to go? Nov 21 21:18:11 im saying try upgrading first Nov 21 21:18:14 then downgrading Nov 21 21:18:20 one will work, possibly both will Nov 21 21:18:30 normally depmod would have caught that error during build process, i think Nov 21 21:24:41 downgrading worked :) Nov 21 21:24:46 thanks, plate Nov 21 22:00:39 any networking gurus around? Nov 21 22:01:22 my router doesn't answer any DHCP-REQUEST and DHCP-DISCOVER, but only for my laptop Nov 21 22:02:19 to be precise they show up in wireshark on laptop, but seems DHCP server on that crap router ignores them Nov 21 22:03:19 EPARSE Nov 21 22:03:25 any idea what I could investigate? Booted router 5 times already, and did several /etc/init.d/network reload on PC Nov 21 22:04:02 your set up is not clear to me from your description Nov 21 22:04:57 I got a DLink router-modem with DHCP server (and some fixed IPs assigned to some MACs), and a laptop conected to that router via ethernet Nov 21 22:05:37 the laptop sends out DHCP-REQUEST but doesn't ever get an answer to assign an IP to network card Nov 21 22:05:45 Install Tomato? Nov 21 22:06:14 DL-515 rev3 or sth, no tomato for that rev AFAIK Nov 21 22:06:18 615 Nov 21 22:06:38 Ver: D3 Nov 21 22:07:02 DIR-615 Ver: D3 Nov 21 22:07:18 I feel like fetching the sledge hammer Nov 21 22:07:56 chwart, crappy hw attitude recalib tool Nov 21 22:09:38 the funny bit: when I assign a hard IP to the eth0 on laptop, it works ;-P Nov 21 22:10:15 the idiot router even all the time asks "who got 192.168.1.30, tell 192.168.1.1" Nov 21 22:11:11 but since my laptop didn't get any DHCP-lease yet, it doesn'T know to answer unless I assign 192.168.1.30 hard to the NIC, locally Nov 21 22:13:14 is the dhcp server listening on that ethernet port? Nov 21 22:13:44 is there any (avahi, msdomain, whatever) shit possibly causing a DHCP-server to shut up and not answer DHCP-DISCOVER from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255 ? Nov 21 22:14:30 neal: how shall I know? this fsck crap brick router has not even telnet to log in and do something serious Nov 21 22:14:45 get an alix board :-) Nov 21 22:15:07 I can recommend vario as a reseller in .de Nov 21 22:15:29 probably usining my microwave as DSL-WLAN-router would yield better results than this crappy DIR-615 Nov 21 22:15:48 using* Nov 21 22:17:00 first N9 refused to get a lease via WLAN, then I did a router reset and suddenly N9 got IP and all w/o problems, but since then my laptop blows chunks Nov 21 22:17:07 they also have nice 9db omni antennas Nov 21 22:17:33 9dB omni -WTF?! Nov 21 22:17:45 active? Nov 21 22:17:51 I have a 20 db sector from them Nov 21 22:18:23 http://shop.varia-store.com/product_info.php?info=p292_Omni-Antenna-9dbi-RP-SMA.html Nov 21 22:18:33 yeah, pringles can is easy - but *omni* Nov 21 22:19:36 wow! Nov 21 22:22:01 I recommend the alix 2d2, fwiw, then you can have two minipci wlan cards Nov 21 22:23:27 anyway, I just remember I had some similar problem with N950 when I first time added that MAC<->IP association to the list of fixed IPs of router, had to remove, and add it again to make it work. Maybe there's sth completely fsckd up, and I should redo config from scratch Nov 21 22:24:04 only problem for now: I'm "broke" till basically end of year Nov 21 22:24:17 so no alix for me Nov 21 22:25:58 sell your n9 Nov 21 22:26:06 you can trade it for 4 alixes :-) Nov 21 22:26:23 if only this Panasonic CF-25 had an ethenet plug :-/ CPU and RAM were just the right size for a nice linux-based router Nov 21 22:27:03 I hear old openmoko cases are going for 80Euros Nov 21 22:27:06 even "built-in admin console" :-D Nov 21 22:27:14 WHAT??? Nov 21 22:27:25 I AM RICH!!!!!! \o/ Nov 21 22:27:44 the gta04s don't come with a case Nov 21 22:27:50 I know Nov 21 22:27:55 and "a lot" of people who want them don't have cases Nov 21 22:28:05 yeah Nov 21 22:28:09 thought as much Nov 21 22:29:42 alas they'll need not only a case but also the GSM ant, the tny transparent buttons (2 pcs), and that huge white silly void with speaker inside Nov 21 22:30:00 got no spares of that Nov 21 22:31:13 but I recently sold a complete GTA02 for 80 bucks Nov 21 22:31:47 incl 2nd space case Nov 21 22:31:51 spare Nov 21 22:32:12 sound like a poor deal on hindsight Nov 21 22:34:17 * DocScrutinizer idly wonders how much he could ask for ~600 pcs 470uF SMT capacitors Nov 21 22:35:24 .34 Euros each Nov 21 22:35:30 plus 20 Euro processing fee Nov 21 22:35:33 good enough for me Nov 21 22:35:42 and 20 Euros for shipping Nov 21 22:35:42 interested? X-P Nov 21 22:35:49 sorry Nov 21 22:38:20 5000 pcs BC374? SMT Nov 21 22:40:43 or maybe some crunchy chip collection, consisting of S3C2410 Samsiung CPUs, several different NOR chips, RAMs etc? Nov 21 22:41:11 all new and unused Nov 21 22:41:39 who sells new and used parts? Nov 21 22:42:24 http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/impressions-of-25C3/impressions-of-25c3/snc00243_jpg.jpeg.html teaser Nov 21 23:06:05 MohammadAG: yo Nov 21 23:06:32 MohammadAG: i hope this whole maemo thing is on your CV Nov 21 23:06:54 future employers will bust a nut. Nov 21 23:08:32 for a starter, yes Nov 21 23:09:44 once you call yourself a "senior " it will need az least teamlead of hostmode to make any impression on employers Nov 21 23:44:59 i'm getting errors from the fat filesystem for MyDocs on yhe n900, is it ok to run fsck.vfat on it? or is there other way i could fix it? Nov 22 00:26:56 it's more reasonable to mount it to PC via mass storage mode and then do the fsck there, it's a bit faster I heard Nov 22 00:29:02 but the positive reports about fsck are rare, usually saving all data from MyDocs to some backup medium, then flashing eMMC and then restoring data might be more effective - if you somehow manage to restore /opt after flashing eMMC then you don't even need to flash rootfs Nov 22 00:29:49 but that'S tricky as device probably won't boot with /opt nuked due to eMMC flashing, it *might* boot to backupmenu Nov 22 00:57:49 I want a smart kbd driver, please a platform independent one, so it can work on x86 linux as well as on ARM fremantle etc Nov 22 00:59:04 what it shall do is for example "on char ' (tick, shift+#) insert a fake key-up event for the shift key" Nov 22 01:37:22 xmodmap not fancy enuf?? Nov 22 01:37:38 ive had issues mapping right-ctrl with xmodmap, and thats way simpler than fake shift-keyups Nov 22 01:39:26 can fat map bad flash-blocks? Nov 22 01:40:11 try changing it to jffs2, you'll lose mountability on Windoze over MassStorageMode Nov 22 01:40:18 but maybe everything else will still work Nov 22 01:40:40 i vaguely remember changing mine to ext3 at one point, and getting case-sensitivity related issues Nov 22 01:43:07 well Nov 22 01:43:21 seems like creating a 12TB raid 5 takes a long time Nov 22 01:47:43 D: Nov 22 01:49:01 plate: from what I understand, the eMMC does the wear-leveling and bad-block remapping on its own and doesn't allow the OS to have direct access to the flash blocks, so there's no point in trying jffs2 Nov 22 01:52:23 ^ Nov 22 01:52:32 heh Nov 22 01:52:36 hello! Nov 22 01:58:57 villager: poor wear-levelling/remapping Nov 22 02:06:24 And more importantly, non-transparent. Nov 22 02:06:31 So you can't map out bad blocks. Nov 22 02:19:30 anyone know anywhere selling "DT-33" desktop chargers, that will ship to uk Nov 22 02:19:55 found a few sellers but all from china, and don't really trust them to be genuine Nov 22 02:26:36 plate: you can't do anything about MMC bad blocks. fsck.vfat only will fix messed-up filesystem metadata **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 22 02:59:58 2011