**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 23 02:59:57 2011
Nov 23 03:00:17 <DocScrutinizer> IFS prolly is a line discipline thing
Nov 23 03:01:23 <DocScrutinizer> may work fro read, but not for parameter expansion
Nov 23 03:01:44 <DocScrutinizer> for*
Nov 23 03:02:39 <DocScrutinizer> yay 22% of upload finished... DANG I NEED A FATTER CABLE
Nov 23 03:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> might be funny when finished to upload: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/n9_goes_spooky.mp4.part
Nov 23 03:05:40 <sasquatch> $ dash -c 'args() { IFS=" " echo $* ; } ; IFS=: args $PATH'
Nov 23 03:05:42 <sasquatch> /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin /usr/bin/X11 /usr/games
Nov 23 03:06:05 <DocScrutinizer> yay
Nov 23 03:09:32 <DocScrutinizer> 5some hours for ridiculous 170MB upload :-((
Nov 23 03:10:19 * DocScrutinizer wonders where's the bottleneck as even my crappy DSL line could do twice that bw up
Nov 23 03:10:25 * sasquatch has round about 72kbytes/s on DSL and approx 4 times that upload on UMTS
Nov 23 03:10:54 <sasquatch> quite funny... faster via mobile phone than via copper @home
Nov 23 03:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> I pondered to go back to "unlimited" (aka 5GB/month) for 25bucks on UMTS, when I started that upload, as I knew it will piss me
Nov 23 03:12:16 <DocScrutinizer> well, so time for a nap, then it'll be finished ;-)
Nov 23 03:12:43 <sasquatch> :-D
Nov 23 03:13:12 <sasquatch> 04:10 here... i'm looking in that direction too
Nov 23 03:13:20 <sasquatch> _o/~
Nov 23 03:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> funny video of N9 doing spooky touchscreen events like mad
Nov 23 03:13:37 <DocScrutinizer> same TZ
Nov 23 03:13:42 <Estel_> hi there
Nov 23 03:13:51 <DocScrutinizer> hi, and bye :-D
Nov 23 03:14:11 <sasquatch> self.suspend(TO_BED)
Nov 23 03:14:18 <Estel_> bye. I hope it doesn't mean I'm getting kickbanned now (silly joke)
Nov 23 03:14:24 <Estel_> good night
Nov 23 03:15:37 <DocScrutinizer> (faster via mobile phone than via copper) wait for LTE, it will blow copper out of the water
Nov 23 03:16:11 <SpeedEvil> Then comes 60G with beamforming.
Nov 23 03:16:26 <SpeedEvil> gigabit easily.
Nov 23 03:16:29 <DocScrutinizer> and then I *really* get me a tin foil hat
Nov 23 03:16:31 <SpeedEvil> Though over short ranges.
Nov 23 03:17:36 <Estel_> a propos - does anyone have idea what TCP 4713 is for on Maemo?
Nov 23 03:17:48 * DocScrutinizer hopes for trans-10GHz band getting used, as then it doesn't even scratch my skin anymore
Nov 23 03:18:03 <Estel_> I found it open and can't recall using anything related to
Nov 23 03:18:14 <DocScrutinizer> netstat is your friend
Nov 23 03:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> the *real* netstat
Nov 23 03:18:32 <DocScrutinizer> not this messybox crap
Nov 23 03:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> netstat -ntupla
Nov 23 03:18:53 <Estel_> I was just to say that there fun begin, cause netstat doesnt list it
Nov 23 03:18:57 <Estel_> but nmap does
Nov 23 03:19:13 <Estel_> but You said that maemo included netstat is wrong, eh?
Nov 23 03:19:22 <DocScrutinizer> kinda yes
Nov 23 03:20:34 <DocScrutinizer> try netstat -a|grep 4713
Nov 23 03:22:32 <DocScrutinizer> netstat -nt actually
Nov 23 03:22:52 <DocScrutinizer> netstat -nta
Nov 23 03:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> might be a random port outbound?
Nov 23 03:23:51 <DocScrutinizer> oh, you said nmap
Nov 23 03:28:24 <Estel_> yea. BTW, I wonder, why nmap for maemo works flawlessly under user, but fail to do as root
Nov 23 03:29:06 <Estel_> as root it can't detect wlan0. Must be some "small" bug, but for few months porting person wasn't able to detect it
Nov 23 03:29:29 <Estel_> pity, firewall evasion doesn't work (mostly) without root - no packet fragmentation etc
Nov 23 03:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> strange
Nov 23 03:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.networksorcery.com/enp/protocol/ip/ports04000.htm doesn't know about your 4713
Nov 23 03:30:52 <Estel_> yea, tried googling around for it
Nov 23 03:30:54 <Estel_> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:4713            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN   
Nov 23 03:31:03 <Estel_> result of netstat -nta
Nov 23 03:31:56 <Estel_> detected it by accident - forgot to exclude myself from hostlist, while nmap'ing
Nov 23 03:32:42 <DocScrutinizer> hah, PA what else
Nov 23 03:33:06 <DocScrutinizer> http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/PulseAudio
Nov 23 03:33:18 <Estel_> oh, damnit
Nov 23 03:33:40 <Estel_> why the hell it's listening @ outside world?!
Nov 23 03:33:55 <DocScrutinizer> VNC?
Nov 23 03:34:09 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Nov 23 03:34:27 <Estel_> yes, I use x11vnc, but limited to localhost only
Nov 23 03:34:49 <DocScrutinizer> err VLC
Nov 23 03:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> whatever
Nov 23 03:35:46 <Estel_> no vlc here
Nov 23 03:36:07 <Estel_> and x11vnc is indeed limited, it port is visible only from inside
Nov 23 03:36:09 <Estel_> hm
Nov 23 03:36:28 <Estel_> I wonder if other ppl devices also listen on such port, or similar one
Nov 23 03:36:41 <SpeedEvil> n900?
Nov 23 03:36:44 <Estel_> yes
Nov 23 03:36:44 <SpeedEvil> Not mine.
Nov 23 03:36:45 <SpeedEvil> Oh
Nov 23 03:36:54 <Estel_> discovered it with nmap
Nov 23 03:37:08 <Estel_> nfc what is causing this
Nov 23 03:37:14 <DocScrutinizer> not mine
Nov 23 03:37:25 <SpeedEvil> Stupid - need to reboot to reget internet.
Nov 23 03:37:34 <Estel_> heh
Nov 23 03:38:35 <DocScrutinizer> apt-cache search netstat
Nov 23 03:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> err
Nov 23 03:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> apt-get install netstat
Nov 23 03:39:08 <Estel_> by default, nmap scan first 1000 ports - I'm going to ask nmap maemo user, to scan around first 6000 ports and check
Nov 23 03:39:13 <Estel_> yea, that too
Nov 23 03:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> netstat -ntap
Nov 23 03:40:57 <DocScrutinizer> c'mon, tell us the program finally :-D
Nov 23 03:41:25 <Estel_> hm, better netstat doesn't have a clue - it just it as listening - bugt qnetmanager confirm its pulseaudio and nothing else
Nov 23 03:41:45 <Estel_> Still nfc why pulseaudio listen to outside world :(
Nov 23 03:42:06 <SpeedEvil> Is it actually?
Nov 23 03:42:13 <SpeedEvil> telnet yourphone 4713
Nov 23 03:42:43 <SpeedEvil> Here at least the only port open is ssh
Nov 23 03:42:59 <SpeedEvil> externaly
Nov 23 03:43:03 <DocScrutinizer> tcp        0      0 127.0.0.1:53            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      1628/dnsmasq
Nov 23 03:43:04 <DocScrutinizer> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      711/sshd
Nov 23 03:43:11 <Estel_> I also got ssh open, but also 53 (dnsmasq) and this 4713 (pulseaudio)
Nov 23 03:43:29 <SpeedEvil> dns should be internal only
Nov 23 03:43:40 <DocScrutinizer> 127.0.0.1:53 
Nov 23 03:44:14 <Estel_> You know what?
Nov 23 03:44:27 <Estel_> mine 53 is also localhost only via netstat
Nov 23 03:44:39 <Estel_> but, nmap still list it as open from outside
Nov 23 03:44:51 <DocScrutinizer> duh, VPN?
Nov 23 03:45:05 <Estel_> 4713 is even more funny, netstat list it as 0.0.0.0
Nov 23 03:45:10 <Estel_> still visible from outside
Nov 23 03:45:16 <Estel_> no VPN here
Nov 23 03:45:25 <DocScrutinizer> and no program associated??
Nov 23 03:45:35 <Estel_> in netstat, no
Nov 23 03:45:45 <DocScrutinizer> netstat -ntap
Nov 23 03:45:51 <Estel_> qnetman associate it with pulseaudio, and 53 with dnsmasq
Nov 23 03:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> impossible
Nov 23 03:45:56 <Estel_> yes, yes
Nov 23 03:46:13 <Estel_> -ntap result in '-' as program
Nov 23 03:46:23 <aholler_> paste the output in a bin, it's more verbose.
Nov 23 03:46:31 <DocScrutinizer> whatever might be qnetman
Nov 23 03:46:42 <Estel_> while, for example, xchat is listed with it's pid
Nov 23 03:46:57 <DocScrutinizer> dang
Nov 23 03:46:58 <SpeedEvil> nmap phone -p1-65535 - lists 59879/tcp filtered unknown
Nov 23 03:47:00 <SpeedEvil> as well
Nov 23 03:47:23 <Estel_> hm
Nov 23 03:47:50 <Estel_> I haven't got 59879, tried all ports range
Nov 23 03:48:20 <SpeedEvil> hmm - the filtered port seems to be moving.
Nov 23 03:48:26 <SpeedEvil> I wonder if my router is screwing up
Nov 23 03:48:26 <Estel_> 4713 was also unknow in nmap, but it's definitelly pulseaudio
Nov 23 03:48:59 <Estel_> aholler_, what do You mean as bin? You want output as some text file?
Nov 23 03:49:37 <Estel_> I can, but nothing to look at there, just unknown
Nov 23 03:50:26 <Estel_> ... and thatis why DocScrutinizer is going to be sleepppy again, tommorow ;)
Nov 23 03:50:32 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I should've speeded up nmap a bit
Nov 23 03:50:44 <DocScrutinizer> takes forever to scan those 65k ports
Nov 23 03:51:14 <Estel_> yea, takes a while without tightening probing
Nov 23 03:51:24 <Estel_> still, no more than 5 minutes ;)
Nov 23 03:51:49 <DocScrutinizer> oh well
Nov 23 03:51:54 <aholler_> btw. 0.0.0.0 means it's listening on every ip
Nov 23 03:52:00 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 23 03:52:08 <Estel_> ah, right
Nov 23 03:52:36 <Estel_> but, dnsmasq should listen on 127.0.0.1, still, it's listed in nmap as outside listening
Nov 23 03:53:20 <DocScrutinizer> 5min are gone
Nov 23 03:53:36 <aholler_> Estel_: and you are sure your phone was the target? ;)
Nov 23 03:53:36 * DocScrutinizer twiddles thumbs
Nov 23 03:53:45 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Nov 23 03:53:49 <Estel_> yes ;) definitelly
Nov 23 03:54:37 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  if we're aksing rethorical questions, You haven't set Your whole network as target? ;)
Nov 23 03:54:38 <DocScrutinizer> geeeez 7 min
Nov 23 03:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> nah
Nov 23 03:55:05 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900
Nov 23 03:55:20 <Estel_> strange, for me 65k ports scan was faster even without tightening
Nov 23 03:55:47 <Estel_> aholler_, have You tried nmap'ing Your phone full ports range?
Nov 23 03:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> maybe my crappy router is maxed out
Nov 23 03:56:17 <aholler_> Estel_: just use iptables ;)
Nov 23 03:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> there's an upload running in background
Nov 23 03:57:09 <Estel_> aholler_, I like to filter out possible malfuncionts, that why I'm talking about direct outside test
Nov 23 03:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> HAH nmap answers to <cr> on stdin
Nov 23 03:57:36 <Estel_> if I got asomething open in nmap, I'm rather sure it's open really
Nov 23 03:57:38 <DocScrutinizer> Connect Scan Timing: About 87.43% done; ETC: 04:55 (0:01:19 remaining)
Nov 23 03:57:42 <aholler_> Estel_: if netstat doesn't show it, but nmap does, something is cruel with your phone
Nov 23 03:57:51 <Estel_> using netstat I would get false results
Nov 23 03:58:30 <Estel_> netstat show it, but - 53 dnsmasq as localhost (nmap detect it from outside) and 4713 is listed both by netstat and nmap as outside
Nov 23 03:58:44 <Estel_> other ports are listed as should
Nov 23 03:58:49 <Estel_> i.e ssh port etc
Nov 23 03:58:58 <Estel_> or other internal localhost'ish
Nov 23 03:59:04 <DocScrutinizer> iptables fsckd up?
Nov 23 03:59:07 <Estel_> thats the riddle ;)
Nov 23 03:59:38 <Estel_> correct way of checking this, i.e to avoid smth screwed as with native netstat?
Nov 23 04:00:07 <DocScrutinizer> Stats: 0:11:37 elapsed; 0 hosts completed (1 up), 1 undergoing Connect Scan
Nov 23 04:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> Connect Scan Timing: About 92.87% done; ETC: 04:57 (0:00:53 remaining)
Nov 23 04:00:29 <DocScrutinizer> weird spacetime continuum nmap lives in
Nov 23 04:01:08 <Estel_> hieh, hieh
Nov 23 04:01:52 <Estel_> btw, isn't busybox-power netstat fixed?
Nov 23 04:02:06 <Estel_> default netstat gives me same results as MAG netstat
Nov 23 04:03:19 <DocScrutinizer> nfi, I won't touch this weird stuff - messybox-power, a paradox
Nov 23 04:03:48 <DocScrutinizer> I just know default messy netsstat missing -p
Nov 23 04:04:02 <aholler_> exactly, painful ;)
Nov 23 04:04:07 <Estel_> Cmon, busybox-power is well prepared package ;) And iDont is good maintainer. His fixes get also included mainstream ;)
Nov 23 04:04:42 <DocScrutinizer> I won't get interested in it
Nov 23 04:04:56 <Estel_> whatever - for me it's like kernel-power
Nov 23 04:05:03 <DocScrutinizer> there's bash4, there's ttrue netstat and all 
Nov 23 04:05:13 <Estel_> also a mess in many parts, but mess that is going better and better
Nov 23 04:05:39 <DocScrutinizer> why mess with mess, when you can get the real stuff?
Nov 23 04:06:04 <Estel_> bash4 can be used at near-boot state?
Nov 23 04:06:24 <Estel_> I like to use busybox power at recorvery console invoked from preinit
Nov 23 04:06:32 <DocScrutinizer> nah, I'll keep messybox (not the power version) for that
Nov 23 04:07:09 <Estel_> + some useful packages that would require big re-write for default messy
Nov 23 04:07:18 <Estel_> due to missing flags, arguments etc
Nov 23 04:07:32 <Estel_> and works fine with b*-power
Nov 23 04:08:02 <Estel_> anyway
Nov 23 04:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> Interesting ports on IroN900 (192.168.1.41):
Nov 23 04:08:10 <DocScrutinizer> Not shown: 65534 closed ports
Nov 23 04:08:11 <Estel_> any results from Your nmap?
Nov 23 04:08:12 <DocScrutinizer> PORT   STATE SERVICE
Nov 23 04:08:13 <DocScrutinizer> 22/tcp open  ssh
Nov 23 04:09:23 <Estel_> and nothing else? damnit, I wonder what is causing this on mine (messybox isn't ;) )
Nov 23 04:09:41 <DocScrutinizer> I guess you fell for the PoC malware in extras-devel or somewhere
Nov 23 04:09:57 <DocScrutinizer> there've been always rumours about such stuff
Nov 23 04:10:20 <Estel_> can't recall anything that could mess with pulseaudio Hm
Nov 23 04:10:43 <DocScrutinizer> maybe not with PA, but rather iptables/NAT
Nov 23 04:11:00 <aholler_> iptables -v -L should show it
Nov 23 04:11:10 <DocScrutinizer> eavesdropping daemon, tapping your microphone
Nov 23 04:11:15 <Estel_> any ideas how to fix it without breaking anything totally?
Nov 23 04:11:17 <Estel_> hehe
Nov 23 04:11:20 <Estel_> will check
Nov 23 04:11:29 <aholler_> first you need to find what to fix
Nov 23 04:11:45 <DocScrutinizer> I gather that's PK though
Nov 23 04:11:53 <aholler_> ps | grep dnsmasq
Nov 23 04:12:51 <aholler_> if that shows -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 and netstat says too it's listening on 127*, than your nmap means something other than dnsmasq 
Nov 23 04:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> I easily could figure somebody injected some backdoor to PK patches
Nov 23 04:13:15 <redeeman> PK?
Nov 23 04:13:27 <DocScrutinizer> powerkernel
Nov 23 04:13:42 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  You're not using pk? aholler_, checking...
Nov 23 04:13:43 <redeeman> i should really get my n900 fixed
Nov 23 04:13:47 <redeeman> hasnt worked in 1+ years
Nov 23 04:13:50 <luke-jr> omg
Nov 23 04:13:54 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: not on IroN900
Nov 23 04:14:03 <luke-jr> is there seriously no color laser printer on the market with free software drivers anymore?
Nov 23 04:14:12 <redeeman> luke-jr, HP?
Nov 23 04:14:29 <luke-jr> redeeman: HP has none on the market with free software drivers :|
Nov 23 04:14:36 <DocScrutinizer> free maybe, but not open?
Nov 23 04:14:37 <luke-jr> all their new ones require proprietary blobs
Nov 23 04:14:40 <redeeman> how are they not free? you just get the ppd
Nov 23 04:14:46 <redeeman> wtf?
Nov 23 04:14:47 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: if it isn't open, it sure isn't free
Nov 23 04:14:59 <luke-jr> redeeman: ppds are useless on their own
Nov 23 04:15:07 <redeeman> luke-jr, not if they dont call external stuff
Nov 23 04:15:10 <Estel_> aholler_,  1529 nobody    2160 S    /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z
Nov 23 04:15:11 <luke-jr> all these printers have stupid proprietary protocols now
Nov 23 04:15:21 <luke-jr> well they do :/
Nov 23 04:15:27 <Estel_> and 3557 user      2820 S    grep dnsmasq
Nov 23 04:15:40 <redeeman> hp cp 3505 ?
Nov 23 04:15:44 <redeeman> cant be gotten anymore?
Nov 23 04:15:49 <aholler_> Estel_: get a netstat which offers -p
Nov 23 04:16:09 <redeeman> i see its out of production now
Nov 23 04:16:13 <Estel_> ok, and?
Nov 23 04:16:28 <aholler_> than you should see what listens on port 53
Nov 23 04:16:36 <redeeman> luke-jr, well, printing sucks anyway
Nov 23 04:16:54 <luke-jr> LaserJet 2840 would be nice, if it was available
Nov 23 04:16:58 <redeeman> luke-jr, minolta sells some hugely expensive ones that will work, but i suspect thats not what you want
Nov 23 04:17:02 <luke-jr> redeeman: yeah, but not being able to print sucks more
Nov 23 04:17:27 <luke-jr> well, my goal was under $200. but that doesn't look remotely likely.
Nov 23 04:17:41 <redeeman> i dont really know about consumer devices
Nov 23 04:17:41 <aholler_> <$200 for a color laser?
Nov 23 04:17:42 <luke-jr> only Samsung has them under $200, and I can't find ANY word on if splix works with them
Nov 23 04:18:04 <redeeman> i would have thought $400 for color laser was more doable
Nov 23 04:18:04 <luke-jr> aholler_: + scan + fax too!
Nov 23 04:18:18 <luke-jr> I got my current black laser for $50 :/
Nov 23 04:18:20 <aholler_> than they rip you off with the toners
Nov 23 04:18:22 <luke-jr> why is colour so much more?
Nov 23 04:18:30 <luke-jr> aholler_: well, that's why I don't buy toner. just printers.
Nov 23 04:18:44 <redeeman> thats also not economical
Nov 23 04:18:47 <redeeman> get the nonbranded toner
Nov 23 04:18:56 <redeeman> the ones that comes with the actual printers are only like 10% full
Nov 23 04:18:58 <luke-jr> that $50 black laser lasted me like 2 years
Nov 23 04:19:12 * luke-jr checks that
Nov 23 04:19:23 <redeeman> they will lie about their own fullness btw
Nov 23 04:19:39 <luke-jr> they can't lie if I have no way to read the level
Nov 23 04:19:42 <aholler_> all color lasers will track you ;)
Nov 23 04:19:46 <redeeman> its a big scam all of it
Nov 23 04:19:55 <luke-jr> aholler_: I don't really care :p
Nov 23 04:19:55 <redeeman> noname toner is cheapest
Nov 23 04:20:01 <redeeman> can be hard to get for newest devices though
Nov 23 04:20:05 <redeeman> due to all their crappy security chips
Nov 23 04:20:07 <DocScrutinizer> LJ P1505 lasts since >1y and ~500 sheets now
Nov 23 04:20:26 <luke-jr> ok, got my $55 black laser in Aug 2008
Nov 23 04:20:35 <luke-jr> it's just running out of 'starter' toner now
Nov 23 04:20:37 <redeeman> luke-jr, ofcourse depends on how much you print
Nov 23 04:20:40 <luke-jr> so 3 years :p
Nov 23 04:20:45 <redeeman> but why not get inkjet if you dont print lots?
Nov 23 04:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> HPLIP sucks though
Nov 23 04:20:52 <redeeman> its also not producing as many toxic fumes
Nov 23 04:20:56 <luke-jr> redeeman: inkjet is a pain. always has issues
Nov 23 04:21:30 <SpeedEvil> Inkjet dies if you don't use it often.
Nov 23 04:21:35 <luke-jr> that too
Nov 23 04:21:35 <DocScrutinizer> redeeman: inkjet sucks donkeyballs, esp when you print on a random schedule
Nov 23 04:21:47 <DocScrutinizer> or what SpeedEvil says
Nov 23 04:21:47 <redeeman> printing ALWAYS sucks, just so we are clear
Nov 23 04:21:48 <Estel_> aholler_,  my netstat offer -p, but both using -l and without, i can't get 53 shown 0_o
Nov 23 04:21:50 <aholler_> use an online service which sends you posters if you need to print colors ;)
Nov 23 04:21:54 <luke-jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16828112055 <-- old printer
Nov 23 04:22:07 <aholler_> or some photo service
Nov 23 04:22:09 <redeeman> luke-jr, get an old parallel matrix printer
Nov 23 04:22:12 <redeeman> that shit works forever
Nov 23 04:22:17 <redeeman> i have one thats 20 years old
Nov 23 04:23:15 <DocScrutinizer> yeah! :-D
Nov 23 04:23:25 <aholler_> and they can produce carbon copies
Nov 23 04:23:27 <luke-jr> redeeman: where from?
Nov 23 04:23:31 * DocScrutinizer is missing his citizen swift-24
Nov 23 04:23:33 <luke-jr> it works with current CUPS?
Nov 23 04:23:36 <redeeman> luke-jr, used
Nov 23 04:23:38 <redeeman> ofc it does
Nov 23 04:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> with color option
Nov 23 04:23:49 <redeeman> if you have parallel shit enabled in kernel
Nov 23 04:23:53 <redeeman> and if your computer has it
Nov 23 04:23:58 <redeeman> which is the biggest issue with laptops
Nov 23 04:24:07 <redeeman> can get usb->parallel though for those purposes
Nov 23 04:24:10 <luke-jr> wtf?
Nov 23 04:24:11 <redeeman> these devices are indestructable
Nov 23 04:24:14 <luke-jr> nothing has parport anymore
Nov 23 04:24:25 <redeeman> they might be findable with rs232 too though its rare
Nov 23 04:24:28 <redeeman> this is oldstyle stuff
Nov 23 04:24:57 <DocScrutinizer> CENTRONICS FTW!
Nov 23 04:25:02 <redeeman> yes :)
Nov 23 04:25:07 <aholler_> i still should have an old epson fx* somewhere in the cellar too ;)
Nov 23 04:25:17 <redeeman> the one i had, was continuously printing pages for 9 years before they went to laser
Nov 23 04:25:20 <redeeman> day in day out
Nov 23 04:25:34 <luke-jr> if I print a page every week, think I can keep inkjet functional?
Nov 23 04:25:47 <redeeman> luke-jr, shouldnt really be an issue
Nov 23 04:25:48 <DocScrutinizer> no way
Nov 23 04:25:52 <redeeman> ive seen people doing way worse
Nov 23 04:25:56 <redeeman> months between printing
Nov 23 04:25:59 <redeeman> sure it may stick a little first page
Nov 23 04:26:01 <redeeman> so print a test page
Nov 23 04:26:04 <redeeman> and it will work afterwards
Nov 23 04:26:08 <SpeedEvil> redeeman: It depends.
Nov 23 04:26:21 <SpeedEvil> If actually powered off, then no, the head can die permenantly.
Nov 23 04:26:28 <SpeedEvil> No amount of cleaning will fix.
Nov 23 04:26:34 <redeeman> in my experience that doesnt really happen
Nov 23 04:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> well, if you really do a test print every 7 days, it may stay OK
Nov 23 04:26:43 <SpeedEvil> I've had 3 printers do that.
Nov 23 04:26:50 <luke-jr> not a test print, a weekly schedule
Nov 23 04:26:55 <aholler_> if you only print one page a week I really would check out some photoservice around the corner
Nov 23 04:26:56 <redeeman> my dad has a canon bjc 240
Nov 23 04:26:58 <SpeedEvil> If powered on, the periodically clean teh heads.
Nov 23 04:27:04 <SpeedEvil> they
Nov 23 04:27:05 <redeeman> its roughly 10 years old or so
Nov 23 04:27:11 <redeeman> he prints a page every year these days
Nov 23 04:27:12 <SpeedEvil> Printers vary.
Nov 23 04:27:14 <redeeman> it still works
Nov 23 04:27:16 <luke-jr> what's "thermal" inkjet? any better?
Nov 23 04:27:33 <SpeedEvil> Thermal inkjet heats the ink to make little bubbles
Nov 23 04:27:36 <SpeedEvil> which push ink out
Nov 23 04:27:42 <Estel_> hey DocScrutinizer aholler_, netstat show 4713 is PID 1045/pulseaudio
Nov 23 04:27:55 <DocScrutinizer> HAH
Nov 23 04:28:01 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: which does what for me? :P
Nov 23 04:28:04 <Estel_> as for 53 can't find it with netstat :(
Nov 23 04:28:20 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: it's an alternative method of putting ink on the paper.
Nov 23 04:28:23 <luke-jr> Estel_: netstat -ulpn
Nov 23 04:28:34 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: All print nozzles can clog - if unused.
Nov 23 04:28:40 <Estel_> so, any ideas about fixing it or finding bugger?
Nov 23 04:28:42 <Estel_> proceeding
Nov 23 04:28:43 <SpeedEvil> The method of getting the ink out is less important.
Nov 23 04:28:55 <SpeedEvil> Estel_: diff your /etc against a known good one
Nov 23 04:29:07 <SpeedEvil> look at pulseaudio config file
Nov 23 04:29:07 <DocScrutinizer> oufff
Nov 23 04:29:17 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, more like that
Nov 23 04:29:57 <luke-jr> ok, I don't get this. how do these inkjet printers have scanners for $60, but a scanner by itself costs $110?
Nov 23 04:30:04 <aholler_> Estel_: just add a firewall, that might protect you from stupid apps too. and you can filter what's going out too.
Nov 23 04:30:08 <Estel_> PID 1529 dnsmasq
Nov 23 04:30:11 <Estel_> UDP
Nov 23 04:31:03 <Estel_> firewall to N900?! Other than that, I suspect those ports are listening only all the time, my network is kinda bulletproof stronghold
Nov 23 04:31:39 <Estel_> SpeedEvil,  whole /etc/ directory?
Nov 23 04:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, lol
Nov 23 04:32:23 <aholler_> firewall on n900 (iptables)
Nov 23 04:32:41 <Estel_> ok, but just to clear thnings up - having PID's of program using 53 and 4713 can I check if it's really pulseaudio and dnsmasq or fake one, yep?
Nov 23 04:32:43 <DocScrutinizer> I think we should find other PK users to nmap their stuff
Nov 23 04:32:46 <SpeedEvil> For example, as a zeroth cut, all of my /etc/pulse files are older than 2010
Nov 23 04:33:00 <aholler_> than you don't have to fear that some stupid stuff opens a security hole.
Nov 23 04:33:56 <DocScrutinizer> umm, lsof should tell you which binary file these processes got started from
Nov 23 04:34:42 <aholler_> Estel_: ps usually doesn't lie
Nov 23 04:34:44 <Estel_> SpeedEvil,  /etc/pulse/ files are all 14/06/2010, except xpolicy.conf SYMLINK that is 12/09/2011
Nov 23 04:35:16 <SpeedEvil> dame here
Nov 23 04:35:17 <SpeedEvil> same
Nov 23 04:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> aholler_: it's easy for an app to fake own listing in ps
Nov 23 04:35:43 <SpeedEvil> md5sum xpolicy.conf 
Nov 23 04:35:43 <SpeedEvil> 06f8607f5e961294aef1d0091db47926  xpolicy.conf
Nov 23 04:35:47 <aholler_> i assume we don't assume he got hacked
Nov 23 04:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> a process may rename itself
Nov 23 04:36:11 <DocScrutinizer> I understood he was suspecting exactly that
Nov 23 04:36:44 <aholler_> than he's lost. 
Nov 23 04:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Nov 23 04:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> I bet it's PK
Nov 23 04:37:05 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  1sof, nfs what it is? SpeedEvil I'm checking md5sum
Nov 23 04:37:16 <DocScrutinizer> or some "cute improvements to PA"
Nov 23 04:37:22 <aholler_> to listen on port 53 the app needs to be root and than that app could do everything
Nov 23 04:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> LSOF
Nov 23 04:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> ls open files
Nov 23 04:37:59 <Estel_> btw I have NFC what is causing this - common sense tells me I have"mt been hacked, but who knows if someone could inject malicious path to something. Uploading new version of packages is open for everyone
Nov 23 04:38:06 <Estel_> I doubt so, but worth checking
Nov 23 04:38:09 <DocScrutinizer> lsof|grep <pid>
Nov 23 04:39:06 <Estel_> SpeedEvil,  different checksum for xpolicy.conf
Nov 23 04:39:47 <SpeedEvil> So read through the file, and see if anything leaps out
Nov 23 04:40:10 <Estel_> ok
Nov 23 04:40:34 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  lsof | grep <dnsmasq_pid> result in lotta hell results
Nov 23 04:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> |grep txt
Nov 23 04:41:00 <DocScrutinizer> will give you the executable file
Nov 23 04:41:03 <DocScrutinizer> path
Nov 23 04:42:20 <aholler_> Estel_: how does your nmap-line looks like?
Nov 23 04:42:32 <DocScrutinizer> dnsmasq   1628     nobody  txt    REG      254,1   139520      33203 /usr/sbin/dnsmasq
Nov 23 04:44:38 <Estel_> aholler_,  nmap-line? I'm afraid I'm lost here?
Nov 23 04:45:20 <aholler_> Estel_: how do you have scanned?
Nov 23 04:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> nmap <phone> -p53
Nov 23 04:45:29 <Estel_> SpeedEvil,  doesn't seem that something suspicious is in xpolicy.conf, but I admit that some parts are out of understanding for me. Well, most of them
Nov 23 04:45:37 <Estel_> ah i see
Nov 23 04:47:10 <Estel_> nmap <phone> -p1-65535 -sV --version-intensity 3 -sC
Nov 23 04:50:02 <Estel_> but --version-intensity 1 is also enough to find it
Nov 23 04:50:27 <Estel_> anyway, I re-testes it, and only 4713 remain as outside open, 53 dissapeared 0_o
Nov 23 04:50:38 <Estel_> + ssh of course bugt that is legit
Nov 23 04:50:43 <Estel_> but*
Nov 23 04:53:41 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  |grep txt result in /usr/bin/dnsmasq
Nov 23 04:54:30 <Estel_> lsof | grep 4713 result in:
Nov 23 04:54:49 <Estel_> pulseaudi 1045      pulse   57u  IPv4       4336                 TCP *:4713 (LISTEN)
Nov 23 04:54:57 <Estel_> 'pulseaudi' isnt typo
Nov 23 04:55:04 <Estel_> copied/pasted
Nov 23 04:55:15 <Estel_> no txt for 4713
Nov 23 04:55:19 <DocScrutinizer> trucation
Nov 23 04:55:29 <aholler> busybox ps is crippled ;)
Nov 23 04:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> that's lsof aiui
Nov 23 04:56:21 <Estel_> yes
Nov 23 04:56:25 <Estel_> lsof
Nov 23 04:56:30 <aholler> uups, sorry
Nov 23 04:58:01 <Estel_> any ideas? Menwhile, I'm learning about iptables on Maemo
Nov 23 04:58:06 <DocScrutinizer> well, you maybe should check all the files pulseadi uses - as well as has used at startup, aka config files. See if sth looks new there
Nov 23 04:58:36 <Estel_> to cover teory about stupid app opening security hole. Another theory, about backdoor on purpose, still need love
Nov 23 04:59:11 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  any helping command example?
Nov 23 04:59:30 <DocScrutinizer> FUUUUCK
Nov 23 04:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# lsof|grep pulseaud|wc -l
Nov 23 04:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> 123
Nov 23 05:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> so you probably don't want to check all 123 
Nov 23 05:00:26 <Estel_> yea ;)
Nov 23 05:01:30 <Estel_> ok, so we assume that it's really pulseaudio listening on 4713, not some program spoofing? Can we, given research performed?
Nov 23 05:02:04 <Estel_> if yes, I think I should check what may've tinkered with pulseaudio. If not, I've NFC what to do ;)
Nov 23 05:02:37 <aholler> grep tcp /etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 05:03:10 <aholler> or  grep tcp /etc/pulse/*
Nov 23 05:03:37 <DocScrutinizer> lsof|grep pulseaud|grep -v unknown|grep -v .so|grep -v CHR|grep -v FIFO
Nov 23 05:03:50 <DocScrutinizer> or simply check /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache
Nov 23 05:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> as there's nothing else interesting in lsof
Nov 23 05:05:21 <DocScrutinizer> obviously all the interesting cfg files got closed after reading them, on startup of PA
Nov 23 05:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> so better listen to aholler 
Nov 23 05:07:23 <Estel_> iptables ready and understood, just need to get accustomed to it... Trying Your suggestions now
Nov 23 05:08:47 <Estel_> grep tcp /etc/pulse/* :
Nov 23 05:08:50 <Estel_> /etc/pulse/default.pa:.ifexists module-native-protocol-tcp.so
Nov 23 05:09:07 <Estel_> /etc/pulse/default.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1
Nov 23 05:09:18 <Estel_> /etc/pulse/default.pa:#load-module module-cli-protocol-tcp
Nov 23 05:09:30 <Estel_> /etc/pulse/system.pa:.ifexists module-native-protocol-tcp.so
Nov 23 05:09:42 <Estel_> /etc/pulse/system.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1
Nov 23 05:09:55 <Estel_> /etc/pulse/system.pa:#load-module module-cli-protocol-tcp
Nov 23 05:10:01 <Estel_> <end of pasting>
Nov 23 05:12:29 <Estel_> or simply check /usr/lib/gconv/gconv-modules.cache - only few strange symbols there
Nov 23 05:13:01 <aholler> I would say that auth-anonymous=1 is it
Nov 23 05:13:48 <aholler> you could try auth-ip-acl=127.0.0.1; instead. but I don't know much about pulseaudio
Nov 23 05:14:04 <Estel_> lsof|grep pulseaud|grep -v unknown|grep -v .so|grep -v CHR|grep -v FIFO
Nov 23 05:14:09 <aholler> (wihout that ;)
Nov 23 05:14:17 <Estel_> lotta hell of results, but one seems interesting:
Nov 23 05:14:47 <Estel_> pulseaudi 1045      pulse   57u  IPv4       4336                 TCP *:4713 (LISTEN)
Nov 23 05:15:03 <Estel_> (from lsof|grep pulseaud|grep -v unknown|grep -v .so|grep -v CHR|grep -v FIFO)
Nov 23 05:15:11 <Estel_> hm, aholler, will try...
Nov 23 05:16:21 <Estel_> replace auth-anonymous=1 with auth-ip-acl=127.0.0.1, yes?
Nov 23 05:16:52 <Estel_> safe, or should i perform full backupmenu backup before applying and rebooting? ;)
Nov 23 05:17:28 <Estel_> (i.e no risk of being unable to boot, I suppose?)
Nov 23 05:17:52 <Estel_> sorry for silly question, but when changing things I doesn't understand well, better to ask
Nov 23 05:19:02 <aholler> better read the pulseaudio docs. I wonder why the server listens everywhere (or even why it is enabled)
Nov 23 05:19:47 <aholler> currently it looks like you could use e.g. mpd on your pc to play stuff on the n900 ;)
Nov 23 05:19:59 <aholler> s/you/everyone/
Nov 23 05:20:00 <infobot> aholler meant: currently it looks like everyone could use e.g. mpd on your pc to play stuff on the n900 ;)
Nov 23 05:21:04 <Estel_> lol
Nov 23 05:21:26 <Estel_> You think I could check it by using mpd? Of course as addition to reading docs?
Nov 23 05:22:26 <Estel_> Thinking about it, I wonder if program recaller [record all] - mean't to record conversations, microphone or system sounds (available in repositories) may have something to do with it
Nov 23 05:22:48 <Estel_> It's only think related to sound I can imagine could do smth like that
Nov 23 05:22:55 <Estel_> on purpose or by accident
Nov 23 05:23:15 <Estel_> BTW, aholler, Your pulseaudio doesn't have same settings?
Nov 23 05:23:29 <DocScrutinizer> I got recaller but no open port
Nov 23 05:23:37 <Estel_> I mean  auth-anonymous=1?
Nov 23 05:23:40 <Estel_> I see
Nov 23 05:23:54 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  could You also check that  auth-anonymous=1?
Nov 23 05:24:19 <DocScrutinizer> grep auth-anonymous <where?>
Nov 23 05:24:23 <Estel_> grep tcp /etc/pulse/* - it's in one of results
Nov 23 05:24:30 <Estel_> yea
Nov 23 05:25:03 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# grep auth-anonymous  /etc/pulse/*
Nov 23 05:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> /etc/pulse/default.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1
Nov 23 05:25:06 <DocScrutinizer> /etc/pulse/system.pa:load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=1
Nov 23 05:26:23 <Estel_> same here, but no open port for You
Nov 23 05:26:35 <Estel_> You got another device with PK? ;)
Nov 23 05:26:47 <DocScrutinizer> but then I got no PA listening anywhere
Nov 23 05:27:43 <DocScrutinizer> ancient PK, yes
Nov 23 05:28:10 <Estel_> why not newest on non-iron? ;)
Nov 23 05:34:55 <DocScrutinizer> t900 is my hostmode test device
Nov 23 05:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> not really eager to test new kernels on it
Nov 23 05:35:48 <DocScrutinizer> MPFFF - 57479/tcp open     unknown
Nov 23 05:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> 32770/tcp filtered sometimes-rpc3
Nov 23 05:36:11 <Estel_> ?
Nov 23 05:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> 655/tcp   filtered unknown  +20 up to 60296/tcp filtered unknown
Nov 23 05:37:02 <Estel_> i see. BTW about pk, aren't You afraid that Your hostmode testing may be irrelevant, due to hosmode being used by people in practice with new kernel?
Nov 23 05:37:32 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not testing kernel anymore, until recently maybe
Nov 23 05:37:48 <Estel_> I see.
Nov 23 05:38:09 <Estel_> erm You got 20 open ports on Your ancient kernel device?
Nov 23 05:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> filtered ports
Nov 23 05:38:50 <DocScrutinizer> one open port though
Nov 23 05:39:21 <Estel_> I see. what is using Your 57479?
Nov 23 05:42:25 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Nov 23 05:43:13 <DocScrutinizer> can't that easily install anything on that old device, which makes it prone to a complete re-install soonish
Nov 23 05:43:33 <DocScrutinizer> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:22              0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN
Nov 23 05:43:35 <DocScrutinizer> tcp        0      0 ::1%65024:57479         ::%169:*                LISTEN
Nov 23 05:43:36 <DocScrutinizer> tcp        0      0 ::1%65024:53            ::%167:*                LISTEN
Nov 23 05:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> tcp        0      0 ::%65024:22             ::%167:*                LISTEN
Nov 23 05:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:2948            0.0.0.0:*
Nov 23 05:44:38 <DocScrutinizer> lots of iIPv6 carp
Nov 23 05:44:44 <DocScrutinizer> IPv6
Nov 23 05:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> crap! crap!
Nov 23 05:45:47 <DocScrutinizer> DUH VoIP of course
Nov 23 05:45:50 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Nov 23 05:45:55 <DocScrutinizer> MEH!
Nov 23 05:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> telepathy 6846       user    9u  IPv4     104735                 TCP 192.168.1.42:57479 (LISTEN)
Nov 23 05:46:43 <DocScrutinizer> telepathy 6846       user   11u  IPv4     104737                 TCP Nokia-N900-02-8:57479 (LISTEN)
Nov 23 05:46:44 <DocScrutinizer> telepathy 6846       user   13u  IPv6     104739                 TCP localhost:57479 (LISTEN)
Nov 23 05:47:11 <Estel_> I see
Nov 23 05:47:57 <DocScrutinizer> don't ask me why I don't see anything like that on IroN900
Nov 23 05:48:09 <Estel_> my telepathy-sofiasip is listening only, when I'm connected
Nov 23 05:48:27 <Estel_> to sip provider...
Nov 23 05:48:48 <Estel_> for a second I thought maybe pulseaudio is listening because of that, but, no ;)
Nov 23 05:48:55 <DocScrutinizer> IM SIP Skype
Nov 23 05:49:20 <DocScrutinizer> and PA might simply be a stale port
Nov 23 05:49:50 <DocScrutinizer> PA stalling isn't exactly exciting news after all
Nov 23 05:50:35 <DocScrutinizer> t900:~# uptime
Nov 23 05:50:37 <DocScrutinizer>  20:36:16 up 34 days,  7:22, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.01
Nov 23 05:52:14 <Estel_> no worries, mine also got 30+ days uptime, unless I'm testing some stuff like boot recovery console or reboot problem ;)
Nov 23 05:52:45 <Estel_> like in last few days
Nov 23 05:52:59 <Estel_> still, no idea about 4713 pulseaudio
Nov 23 05:53:12 <DocScrutinizer> anyway no PA open port at all on t900
Nov 23 05:53:14 <Estel_> I guess I'll shut it down via iptables, and investigate further
Nov 23 05:53:23 <Estel_> yea, thanks for testing
Nov 23 05:53:30 <DocScrutinizer> no port at all
Nov 23 05:55:05 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: stop pulseaudio && start pulseaudio
Nov 23 05:57:36 <Estel_> done, 4713 still open
Nov 23 05:57:45 <Estel_> will try with pulseaudio disabled
Nov 23 05:58:36 <Estel_> guess what, with pulseaudio disabled, port is closed
Nov 23 05:59:57 <Estel_> I wonder if I would replace pulseaudio binary with other known good one, I would break anything? ;)
Nov 23 06:00:15 <Estel_> from same CSSU and kp version (kp should not matter, but)
Nov 23 06:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> I dunno
Nov 23 06:02:34 <DocScrutinizer> I'd do a BM-backup anyway ;-D
Nov 23 06:03:42 <DocScrutinizer> are you sure you haven't installed any anti-stutter-tweak for PA?
Nov 23 06:03:42 <asdffdsa> hello, which file should i flash on my n900?
Nov 23 06:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 23 06:04:07 <reenignEesreveR> is there an SDK or something for maemo development on ubuntu?
Nov 23 06:04:42 <DocScrutinizer> reenignEesreveR: called scatchbox
Nov 23 06:05:04 <reenignEesreveR> * i meant Ubuntu HARDY
Nov 23 06:05:24 <Sicelo> asdffdsa: u now have a charged battery?
Nov 23 06:05:25 <reenignEesreveR> i can't find the information about 10.04 here http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-ubuntu.html
Nov 23 06:05:54 <asdffdsa> i dont know ^^
Nov 23 06:06:07 <DocScrutinizer> reenignEesreveR: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation
Nov 23 06:06:34 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  surely I've not installed any tweaks for pa
Nov 23 06:06:52 <Estel_> why should I, it's working fine for me. No tweaks boosting sound etc
Nov 23 06:07:04 <Estel_> I hope easy debian isn't responsible for this ;)
Nov 23 06:07:20 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: see
Nov 23 06:07:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Nov 23 06:07:25 <infobot> i heard maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 23 06:08:11 <asdffdsa> DocScrutinizer, thx...but which file should i use 4 flashing?
Nov 23 06:08:24 <Estel_> read wiki article
Nov 23 06:08:32 <Estel_> everything is there
Nov 23 06:08:37 <DocScrutinizer> the most recent one on Nokia's download page
Nov 23 06:08:51 <Estel_> if You got any specific quewtion about specific problem, feel free to ask
Nov 23 06:09:41 <Estel_> ok, bye for now - I'm going to investigate further this mysterious 4713 issue ;)
Nov 23 06:09:46 <Estel_> later today...
Nov 23 06:11:06 <asdffdsa> which release is the newest?
Nov 23 06:13:50 <sasquatch> DocScrutinizer: IFS=: set -- $PATH ; echo $*  # :-)
Nov 23 06:26:18 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: >>Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900<< see right col
Nov 23 06:27:22 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: actually >>Latest Maemo 5 $WHATEVER release for Nokia N900<<
Nov 23 06:27:36 <luke-jr> ugh, building GCC 4.5 on N900 takes forever
Nov 23 06:27:51 <DocScrutinizer> orly?
Nov 23 06:28:46 <luke-jr> ya
Nov 23 06:28:50 <luke-jr> it's been going all day
Nov 23 06:28:55 <luke-jr> at least it's on stage 3 now
Nov 23 06:29:02 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 23 06:29:09 <luke-jr> yawn
Nov 23 06:29:10 <SpeedEvil> IIRC -j2 made it faster
Nov 23 06:29:20 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: not with N900's pathetic 256 MB RAM
Nov 23 06:29:24 <SpeedEvil> yes
Nov 23 06:29:28 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: >>PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2<<
Nov 23 06:29:39 <SpeedEvil> For kernel at least
Nov 23 06:29:46 <luke-jr> …
Nov 23 06:29:47 <SpeedEvil> gcc may differ
Nov 23 06:29:59 <luke-jr> maybe I should have set USE=-fortran
Nov 23 06:30:06 <luke-jr> who really needs a Fortran compiler anymore?
Nov 23 06:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Nov 23 06:32:54 <asdffdsa> DocScrutinizer, thx found it
Nov 23 06:33:12 <luke-jr> it pains me to think I haven't even started upgrading KDE yet…
Nov 23 06:33:25 * luke-jr wonders if he'll need to resort to qemu to link qt-webkit still
Nov 23 06:46:46 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Nov 23 06:47:06 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Nov 23 06:47:14 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.
Nov 23 06:48:35 <Pali> ping DocScrutinizer
Nov 23 08:07:19 <MaceSyn> hello
Nov 23 08:08:07 <MaceSyn> am i missing something? i don't remember this many people being in #maemo?
Nov 23 08:08:22 <MaceSyn> will n900 owners be spared during the rapture or something?
Nov 23 08:14:14 <merlin1991> MaceSyn: ofc they will
Nov 23 08:15:42 <MaceSyn> oh lord
Nov 23 08:15:49 <MaceSyn> binutils just got installed to my synology
Nov 23 08:15:56 * MaceSyn triple checks that he can still login to the thing
Nov 23 08:41:39 <MaceSyn> nice
Nov 23 08:41:57 <MaceSyn> i built oidentd on my synology using gcc and make... i feel like i am using 1992 slackware all over again
Nov 23 08:42:00 <MaceSyn> :)
Nov 23 08:43:33 <psycho_oreos> in a miniature device
Nov 23 08:47:38 <MaceSyn> i guess
Nov 23 08:47:54 <MaceSyn> i honestly was expecting the typical linux cascading dependency effect
Nov 23 08:48:27 <MaceSyn> where src 1 requires lib 2 3 4 which all require 5 6 7 which require 8 9 10.. but 10 requires 2 so now you're stuck 
Nov 23 08:48:30 <MaceSyn> :)
Nov 23 08:49:10 <psycho_oreos> it all depends on how its written as well as its deps :)
Nov 23 08:49:32 <MaceSyn> yes i know.. but you come to expect these sorts of things nowadays
Nov 23 08:49:51 <MaceSyn> i was almost in shock when it just built and worked with no errors 
Nov 23 08:50:03 <MaceSyn> i almost felt like i was using an iDevice
Nov 23 08:50:06 * MaceSyn hides
Nov 23 08:51:15 <psycho_oreos> you'll be glad to know that iSheep wishes to be a little more like N900 *ducks*
Nov 23 08:51:51 <MaceSyn> they all do..... deep down... they all do 
Nov 23 08:52:04 <MaceSyn> ok.. Zzz time for me. have like 20 hours of file moving anyways
Nov 23 08:52:36 * slonopotamus yawns
Nov 23 08:52:41 <psycho_oreos> joy
Nov 23 08:53:16 <Macer> not really
Nov 23 08:53:33 <Macer> i am getting 35MB/s xfers from my synology
Nov 23 08:53:45 <Macer> i need to figure out how to speed it up
Nov 23 08:58:39 <freemangordon> Estel_ hi
Nov 23 08:58:42 <Estel_> freemangordon,  I'm here
Nov 23 08:58:44 <Estel_> hello
Nov 23 08:59:12 <Estel_> to Your service, as Djiinis use to say
Nov 23 08:59:15 <Estel_> ;)
Nov 23 08:59:37 <freemangordon> so, what exactly happens under which conditions . i.e. is there a charger attached when trying to shutdown, how do you try to shutdown, etc. ?
Nov 23 09:00:11 <Estel_> ok. I've tested it without charger/anything on usb port in every situation
Nov 23 09:00:38 <Estel_> as for shutdown, I tried with both reboot from terminal, and by using powerkey button
Nov 23 09:00:47 <Estel_> the latter is my usual way of doing it
Nov 23 09:01:08 <Estel_> (I've commented out reboot from powerkey menu settings file)
Nov 23 09:01:15 <freemangordon> you mean you are trying to reboot, but instad the device powers off?
Nov 23 09:01:32 <Estel_> under all rebooting condition, I get errors You've already seen on photolog
Nov 23 09:01:39 <Estel_> not exactly.
Nov 23 09:01:51 <Estel_> device shut down, then, start to reeboot
Nov 23 09:01:55 <Estel_> reboot*
Nov 23 09:02:00 <Estel_> Nokia logo appeara
Nov 23 09:02:02 <freemangordon> so what, i still fail to understand what exactly happens
Nov 23 09:02:07 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 23 09:02:10 <Estel_> followed by framebufer output
Nov 23 09:02:22 <Estel_> You've seen this output in photolog
Nov 23 09:02:27 <freemangordon> sure
Nov 23 09:02:40 <Estel_> without fbcon of course there is no output
Nov 23 09:02:52 <Estel_> and, shut itself down coz it entered state shutdown
Nov 23 09:03:04 <freemangordon> ok, got it
Nov 23 09:03:06 <freemangordon> so
Nov 23 09:03:06 <Estel_> AFAIK, every device affected by this bug act like that
Nov 23 09:03:44 <freemangordon> is there a way to make a video of console output right after reboot command is issued
Nov 23 09:04:07 <slonopotamus> freemangordon: chvt to it?
Nov 23 09:04:22 <freemangordon> no
Nov 23 09:04:26 <freemangordon> no need
Nov 23 09:04:43 <slonopotamus> ah, misread your msg
Nov 23 09:05:44 <freemangordon> with fb enabled after X has gone south messages appear
Nov 23 09:05:57 <freemangordon> in framebuffer console
Nov 23 09:06:05 <Estel_> erm
Nov 23 09:06:13 <Estel_> the same second i issue reboot
Nov 23 09:06:18 <Estel_> device goes down
Nov 23 09:06:27 <Estel_> no fm output until past nokia logo
Nov 23 09:06:34 <Estel_> fb output*
Nov 23 09:06:40 <Estel_> as for video
Nov 23 09:06:41 <freemangordon> hmm, that is very strange
Nov 23 09:07:01 <Estel_> if You issue reboot, You got fb output?
Nov 23 09:07:05 <freemangordon> yeah
Nov 23 09:07:14 <freemangordon> from ssh terminal
Nov 23 09:07:25 <Estel_> strange, it worked for me like way it is even before I get affected by this bug
Nov 23 09:07:33 <Estel_> oh shit
Nov 23 09:07:44 <Estel_> of course I'll try from ssh
Nov 23 09:07:55 <freemangordon> let me check what happens if i issue reboot from xterm
Nov 23 09:08:23 <Estel_> but, as for video, You mean I'm going to have output video from ssh terminal, or from device screen itself?
Nov 23 09:08:25 <Estel_> ok
Nov 23 09:08:31 <freemangordon> from device screen
Nov 23 09:08:43 <freemangordon> fbcon is still alive
Nov 23 09:09:00 <Estel_> as for video, I've tried it, but my camera got crappy video mode - no way to make it sharp on such fast rolling messages
Nov 23 09:09:25 <Estel_> thats why I spended hour or so catching photos ands doing photolog
Nov 23 09:09:56 <freemangordon> yeah, the same from xterm, fbcon messages appear in a second or so
Nov 23 09:09:57 <Estel_> N900 got better video recording, thanks to one guy You may not heard of ;) but I have not second N900 to film screen of first one
Nov 23 09:10:03 <Estel_> hm
Nov 23 09:10:13 <freemangordon> :D
Nov 23 09:10:23 <Estel_> at least until I arrange mirror aparature ;)
Nov 23 09:10:36 <Estel_> let me check reboot from ssh, wait
Nov 23 09:10:55 <freemangordon> doesn't your camera has capability to capture video?
Nov 23 09:27:35 <bindi_> hey
Nov 23 09:27:48 <bindi_> mobile hotspot doesnt work, got the power kernel
Nov 23 09:28:08 <bindi_> no encryption, ap doesnt show up on friends phone
Nov 23 09:28:57 <bindi_> latest cssu too
Nov 23 09:29:28 <psycho_oreos> hotspot on N900 is only ad-hoc mode
Nov 23 09:30:23 <bindi_> hmm? so can my friend connect to me or not
Nov 23 09:31:57 <Estel_> freemangordon,  sorry for long delay, had to test several reboots
Nov 23 09:32:14 <Estel_> You're right, there is fbcon output after reboot
Nov 23 09:32:28 <Estel_> many times it's just covered by nokia logo tearing
Nov 23 09:33:03 <Estel_> actually, when I tested it before, it was so covered by tearing screen, that I got no idea framebuffer is there
Nov 23 09:33:26 <Estel_> but, once for 3 reboots I got output clean to the point, thqt I can make photolog of it
Nov 23 09:34:06 <Estel_> BTW, does power menu reboot button works the same way as reboot command, or is it different? after reboot from power menu, I don't see framebuffer
Nov 23 09:35:00 <freemangordon> seems no, that is why i told you to reboot from terminal
Nov 23 09:35:15 <freemangordon> is it the same when rebooted from terminal
Nov 23 09:35:18 <freemangordon> ?
Nov 23 09:36:47 <Estel_> unfortunately, yes
Nov 23 09:37:14 <Estel_> I mean shutdowning, havent compared full fbcon output yet
Nov 23 09:37:22 <Estel_> but final result is same
Nov 23 09:37:32 <freemangordon> no, that is good, we can have pre-reboot fbcon output
Nov 23 09:39:38 <Estel_> ok, I'll try to photo it, right?
Nov 23 09:39:57 <Estel_> also, there really isn't any way to dump it instead of photo'ing? ;)
Nov 23 09:40:03 <freemangordon> su. but you can just upload video somewhere, will be faster
Nov 23 09:40:06 <freemangordon> sure*
Nov 23 09:40:08 <Estel_> some magic command or what
Nov 23 09:40:18 <freemangordon> there should be
Nov 23 09:40:18 <Estel_> as i said video is too blurry
Nov 23 09:40:28 <Estel_> no way to read output
Nov 23 09:40:38 <freemangordon> it does not make sense then
Nov 23 09:40:41 <Estel_> so i must take photos
Nov 23 09:41:01 <Estel_> hm
Nov 23 09:41:45 <freemangordon> isn't there some option on your camera to lower the resolution, hoping for higher framerate?
Nov 23 09:42:41 <freemangordon> BTW let me chech if console messages could be redirected to a file
Nov 23 09:45:45 <Estel_> would love to (second option)
Nov 23 09:46:51 <Estel_> as for camera, I'm using N900 for most things, so my compact camera got only two video modes, crappy 640x480 and 320x240. And it's 10mp camera, lol!
Nov 23 09:47:20 <Estel_> i can't even change focus in video mode.
Nov 23 09:47:36 <Estel_> so, close to screen is blurry, and far from it is too small.
Nov 23 09:47:49 <Estel_> on the other hand, taking photos is quite good thus photolog
Nov 23 09:48:18 <Estel_> but, honestly again, I would preffer doing that with N900. In this single case I can't
Nov 23 09:49:00 <freemangordon> ok, try to make a photo of last messgaes before reboot, I cannot find a way to redirect console to a file.
Nov 23 09:49:27 <Estel_> roger that, brb
Nov 23 09:49:37 <vi__> freemangordon: 
Nov 23 09:49:40 <vi__> freemangordon: yo
Nov 23 09:49:54 <freemangordon> hi
Nov 23 09:50:32 <freemangordon> vi__, I think i smash famous "reboot instead of shutdown" KP bug
Nov 23 09:50:47 <vi__> freemangordon: For 1000s of years ancient folk wisdom told us no device could SR over 805.  You programming heracy has smashed our TMO dogma.
Nov 23 09:51:10 <vi__> They are going to write folk songs about you to be passed to our children.
Nov 23 09:51:18 <freemangordon> :D :D :D
Nov 23 09:51:58 <vi__> freemangordon: I am intrigued, what is the cause of the ancient bug?
Nov 23 09:52:12 <freemangordon> it needs some more tweaking, but yeah, in general seems to work
Nov 23 09:52:21 <freemangordon> hostmode ;)
Nov 23 09:52:26 <vi__> LOOOL
Nov 23 09:52:31 <vi__> L O L
Nov 23 09:52:38 <freemangordon> AIUI
Nov 23 09:53:22 <freemangordon> If you have time look at usbhostmode.diff
Nov 23 09:53:39 <freemangordon> from debian/patches
Nov 23 09:53:42 <freemangordon> in KP
Nov 23 09:53:50 <vi__> ...ya
Nov 23 09:54:26 <freemangordon> search for musb_platform_resume
Nov 23 09:55:02 <freemangordon> USB resumed but... guess
Nov 23 09:55:36 <merlin1991> freemangordon: are you working on the hostmode patch?
Nov 23 09:55:49 <freemangordon> no
Nov 23 09:55:59 <freemangordon> why?
Nov 23 09:56:23 <merlin1991> because you want to smash the kp bug? :D
Nov 23 09:56:37 <merlin1991> err pk
Nov 23 09:56:38 <freemangordon> Just this bug which was driving me crasy for about an year
Nov 23 09:57:15 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: ping
Nov 23 09:57:32 <freemangordon> I've already discussed it with joerg
Nov 23 09:57:49 <merlin1991> it's something else I want to ask :)
Nov 23 09:57:55 <freemangordon> ok
Nov 23 09:58:28 <vi__> well done freeman
Nov 23 09:58:37 <vi__> a hearty congratulations is in order
Nov 23 09:59:19 <vi__> I also have a (somwhat less) exciting discovery in the pipeline...
Nov 23 09:59:31 <freemangordon> And the winner is?
Nov 23 10:00:16 <vi__> The maemo boot sequance (simplified) goes - boot stuff>5 dots>hildon home
Nov 23 10:00:57 <freemangordon> a bug there?
Nov 23 10:00:59 <vi__> The 5 dots is actually a short session of matchbox WM.  It is started and then killed before hildon home etc is loaded
Nov 23 10:01:08 <freemangordon> yeah, sure
Nov 23 10:01:24 <vi__> this Matchbox session is to 'contain' the 5 dots program
Nov 23 10:01:33 <vi__> and the pin code request program
Nov 23 10:01:52 <vi__> 5 dots gets killed when hildon home is ready to start
Nov 23 10:02:09 <vi__> AND pin entry is complete (or not required)
Nov 23 10:02:10 <freemangordon> so?
Nov 23 10:02:19 <vi__> It is extremely easy to hijack this session
Nov 23 10:02:27 <vi__> For example you can start xterm
Nov 23 10:02:38 <vi__> instead of the 5 dots
Nov 23 10:02:48 <vi__> consider this
Nov 23 10:03:08 <vi__> in act dead mode, the 5 dots runs continually except the screen is switched off.
Nov 23 10:03:42 <vi__> It is rather easy to keep the screen on and display conky with a huge clock and a battery charging graphic to display how much the battery is charged
Nov 23 10:03:58 <freemangordon> ahaa, got the idea
Nov 23 10:04:03 <vi__> Or anything for that matter
Nov 23 10:04:19 <vi__> it is a 'free' short lived xsession just for the taking.
Nov 23 10:04:29 <vi__> Consider this...
Nov 23 10:04:44 <freemangordon> but afaik in act dead it only programs chargers and switch the device off
Nov 23 10:05:08 <vi__> no, the device is booted to the 5 dots.  All radios off.
Nov 23 10:05:23 <vi__> screen off and keypad lock blocked.
Nov 23 10:05:35 <freemangordon> sure?
Nov 23 10:05:43 <freemangordon> sshd running?
Nov 23 10:06:05 <vi__> no, but that is easily remedied.
Nov 23 10:06:23 <vi__> You can set it to have USB networking probably.
Nov 23 10:06:50 <vi__> Forgot your password? No problem, I have a secret telnet backdoor...
Nov 23 10:07:02 <freemangordon> :D
Nov 23 10:07:02 <vi__> ^(ssh backdoor)
Nov 23 10:07:18 <vi__> (but telnet is moar LOLsy)
Nov 23 10:08:20 <vi__> So pin request program can possibly be removed and replaced with another 'security' entry method.
Nov 23 10:08:33 <vi__> join the dots
Nov 23 10:09:02 <vi__> photo of face for computer vision analysis
Nov 23 10:09:08 <vi__> blah blah blah
Nov 23 10:09:57 <vi__> Or perhaps allow ANY pin code however if you get the wrong one it takes a photo of your face (front cam) and does the whole reverse ssh to your home IP with GPS tracking etc etc.
Nov 23 10:12:44 <vi__> freemangordon: is it possible to set bootstate?  I.e. change it from ACT_DEAD to BOOT from a script?
Nov 23 10:13:06 <freemangordon> yeah, it is a file sowhere in /var/..
Nov 23 10:14:36 <vi__> Cool, I will put a line in pre-init that sets it to BOOT before it actually checks.  No more ACT_DEAD mode.  Plug it in and SHAZZAM, power up.
Nov 23 10:28:31 <merlin1991> vi__ is doing them haxx
Nov 23 10:29:18 <Estel_> freemangordon,  oh man, that was a ride
Nov 23 10:29:38 <Estel_> I'm afraid it's going to give You a headache
Nov 23 10:30:14 <Estel_> There are differences between outpus after reboot
Nov 23 10:30:35 <Estel_> I mean that, despite it being simillar, some (crucial?) parts behave differently
Nov 23 10:30:48 <Estel_> I photographed as much as I can, uploading now
Nov 23 10:31:11 <Estel_> by the way, I got ~30% of sucessful reboots lol
Nov 23 10:32:00 <Estel_> unfortunately, no idea which photo belong to right ones, but I'll mark outputs that for 100% belongs to buggy shutdown ones
Nov 23 10:37:59 <vi__> merlin1991: certainly am!
Nov 23 10:38:28 <vi__> Estel_: POP QUIZ.  What should be in place of the 5 dots startup?
Nov 23 10:40:23 <Estel_> vi_, framebuffer output continued ;)
Nov 23 10:40:28 <Estel_> vi__,  i mean
Nov 23 10:41:22 <vi__> Estel_: lolz
Nov 23 10:41:54 <vi__> Estel_: and have pin request a shell login?
Nov 23 10:43:44 <Estel_> vi__,  hahaha. why not. Ho ever, I'm serious about fb output, I want to see it to moment before lock code prompt appear ;)
Nov 23 10:43:55 <Estel_> freemangordon,  are You there?
Nov 23 10:46:07 <vi__> Estel_: we could potentially remove the 5 dots.
Nov 23 10:46:35 <vi__> Estel_: that would make the loading of the pin code request possibly load faster.
Nov 23 10:56:50 <Estel_> vi__,  isn't it just covering some things? i.e something loading in background, and then five dots?
Nov 23 10:57:01 <Estel_> freemangordon,  photolog ->
Nov 23 10:57:35 <Estel_> (this one is for sure before failed reboot) http://lorienart.pl/cover/pre-restart.jpg
Nov 23 10:58:22 <Estel_> This one I don't know, might be from working reboot situation http://lorienart.pl/cover/pre-restart1.jpg
Nov 23 10:58:39 <Estel_> funny, when fatal errors is there, reboot suceed (probably)
Nov 23 10:58:57 <vi__> Estel_: nope, 5 dots is 'just to show somthing onscreen'...so there is somthing on the screen.
Nov 23 10:59:26 <Estel_> so +1 for removing
Nov 23 11:01:05 <Estel_> vi__,  do You use latest pk49 and CSSU and 720p recording?
Nov 23 11:01:15 <Estel_> and do You have nmap installed?
Nov 23 11:06:26 <freemangordon> Estel pong
Nov 23 11:06:39 <freemangordon> Estel_^^^
Nov 23 11:07:05 <Estel_> freemangordon,  I just sent You pm with same data ;)
Nov 23 11:07:18 <freemangordon> Sorry, were smashing another bug, lagacy from omap1
Nov 23 11:07:26 <Estel_> heh, no worries
Nov 23 11:07:31 <freemangordon> ok, thanks, will look at it
Nov 23 11:08:12 <Estel_> hehe, in meantime I was checking why the hell my pulseaudio is listening on port 4713 from outside world
Nov 23 11:08:31 <Estel_> discovered it by accident via nmap, forget to exclude myself from port scanning
Nov 23 11:08:33 <Estel_> ok
Nov 23 11:08:49 <Estel_> I'll be available via PM, if You need any further data
Nov 23 11:09:55 <Estel_> vi__, or anyone else qho is using kp49 - could You please install nmap package and use following command:
Nov 23 11:11:56 <Estel_> nmap 7.7.7.54 -p1-6000 -sV --version-intensity 1 -sC
Nov 23 11:12:17 <Estel_> ...and check if You have any open port that is listed as "unknown"?
Nov 23 11:13:10 <Estel_> I'm suspecting some package might have included security hole or even backdoor on purpose, and need help determining what is responsible
Nov 23 11:13:43 <Estel_> so, if anyone interested in helping, please send me output of mentioned nmap command as PM in forum (Estel)
Nov 23 12:10:10 <kwtm2> Hi. Can I get clarification: does the N9 (not N900) run Symbian or Meego?  I'm confused. [repeated --apparently I had been devoiced before]
Nov 23 12:10:52 <vi__> lol
Nov 23 12:10:56 <vi__> neither
Nov 23 12:11:17 <vi__> n9 runs a bastard cross of maemo and meego.
Nov 23 12:11:30 <kwtm2> vi__: Thx for the clarification.
Nov 23 12:11:51 <vi__> It is NOT meego.  It is NOT symbian.  It is kinda maemo.
Nov 23 12:12:18 <vi__> Half maemo.
Nov 23 12:12:21 <vi__> half meego
Nov 23 12:12:25 <vi__> ALL suck.
Nov 23 12:13:00 <vi__> What is the fastest/safest way to discharge the n900 battery?
Nov 23 12:13:07 <vi__> (in the n900)
Nov 23 12:14:18 <kwtm2> vi__: From my experience, turn on the Tuner application, hook up to wifi and turn on GPS where it can't reach the satellites.
Nov 23 12:14:20 <kwtm2> :P
Nov 23 12:14:33 <andre__> kwtm2: the N9 runs "MeeGo 1.2 Harmattan"
Nov 23 12:14:42 <kwtm2> Or, actually, instead of Tuner, use camera in video mode.
Nov 23 12:14:44 <kwtm2> andre__: Thx.
Nov 23 12:16:31 <vi__> So screen on max, wifi on&scanning, video camera recording, gps on, 3G endlessly scanning.
Nov 23 12:17:15 <kwtm2> vi__: Not sure what you mean by "wifi on & scanning" -- if you mean "looking for a connection", then it's faster if you're actually connected and transferring data, if you can make that happen.
Nov 23 12:17:32 <kwtm2> E.g. if you are next to a basement wifi router, you can have wifi but no GPS.
Nov 23 12:17:46 <vi__> I mean:
Nov 23 12:17:55 <vi__> while true
Nov 23 12:18:01 <vi__> wlan0 scan
Nov 23 12:18:44 <vi__> You say it costs more power to transfer packets than to scan for AP?
Nov 23 12:18:53 <kwtm2> I suspect so but not sure,
Nov 23 12:19:15 <vi__> +FM transmitter
Nov 23 12:19:25 <kwtm2> OH yeah, that too.  Bluetooth while you're at it.
Nov 23 12:19:28 <vi__> +Smart reflex off.
Nov 23 12:19:41 <vi__> Bluetooth and FM cannot co-exist.
Nov 23 12:19:44 <kwtm2> I guess you might as well play sounds loudly, too.
Nov 23 12:19:48 <kwtm2> Oh, didn't know that.
Nov 23 12:19:54 <kwtm2> brb
Nov 23 12:20:14 <vi__> Cannot be as obtrusive as playing sounds.
Nov 23 12:26:11 <vi__> If I stop BME while the n900 is plugged in & charging will the n900 stop charging?
Nov 23 12:28:15 <LaoLang_cool> Is there a sms counter for N900?
Nov 23 12:29:06 <LaoLang_cool> And gprs traffic monitor?
Nov 23 12:34:53 <vi__> GPRS traffic monitor is built in.  CHeck in settings.  There is also some widget for your desktop.
Nov 23 12:35:10 <vi__> Dunno about sms counter, does nto sound familiar.
Nov 23 12:39:02 <LaoLang_cool> vi__: where is it in settings? I can't find it
Nov 23 12:40:23 <LaoLang_cool> And what nto is? 
Nov 23 12:41:13 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: pong
Nov 23 12:41:48 <MohammadAG> Yay, first clearance delay in tel aviv
Nov 23 12:41:49 <MohammadAG> Another 3 should be normal
Nov 23 12:42:18 <MohammadAG> Then ill start worrying
Nov 23 12:42:32 <merlin1991> MohammadAG: mp sources still missing ;)
Nov 23 12:42:47 <MohammadAG> merlin1991: I have uni right now
Nov 23 12:42:52 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  aholler, SpeedEvil and others involved - thanks for help in debugging 4713 pulseaudio open port issue
Nov 23 12:42:58 <MohammadAG> Till at least another hour 20
Nov 23 12:43:08 <Estel_> I was able to find out how to disable it, finally
Nov 23 12:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> mhm, so enlighten us
Nov 23 12:44:01 <Estel_> one need to edit /etc/pulse/default.pa and /etc/pulse/system.pa and in 'Other modules' comment out whole IF dedicated to:
Nov 23 12:44:09 <Estel_> load-module module-native-protocol-tcp auth-anonymous=0
Nov 23 12:44:34 <Estel_> setting auth-anonymous to 0 or 1 doesn't affect port opened for every client adress
Nov 23 12:45:04 <Estel_> so it was not security hole or backdoor on purpose, and got nothing to do with power kernel ;)
Nov 23 12:45:50 <Estel_> there are 2 settings related to tcp in default and system .pa's
Nov 23 12:46:04 <Estel_> native and cli
Nov 23 12:46:22 <Estel_> latter listen on port 4072 and is disabled by default (commented out)
Nov 23 12:46:42 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=5314966720%0D%0A
Nov 23 12:46:46 <Estel_> I have no idea, why on my device module for tcp was enabled by default
Nov 23 12:47:14 <Estel_> and, if it is enabled also for other ppl, why it listened. I just think that maybe KP updated tcp module?
Nov 23 12:47:47 <Estel_> even if yes, it's rather bug with that port, not backdoor, as only one thking one could achieve with it is sending sound to my N900
Nov 23 12:47:54 <Estel_> :P
Nov 23 12:48:35 <Estel_> Unless it's sound of love making in background of conversation with my wife, no much possible harm scenarios
Nov 23 12:49:26 <Estel_> still, I would not have find it without aholler and Your help
Nov 23 12:50:12 <Estel_> I enlightened myself by reading pulseaudio documentation (come to conclusion that it's feature, not bug) and get back to files where tcp was grep'able
Nov 23 12:50:47 <Estel_> by the way, does anyone know difference between terminal reboot command and reboot button in power key menu?
Nov 23 12:51:09 <Estel_> with fbcon enabled, reboot command gives pre-shutdown frames on screen
Nov 23 12:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> good, so now we need sb to grep across all *install scripts in all repos, to find pkgs that touch that file
Nov 23 12:51:52 <Estel_> while reboot from power key menu does not, and seems faster. Which makes me worry that it's shutdowning device hard way
Nov 23 12:52:47 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  lol. In fact, You got pont there, but I would check first if other people without open port got this IF also enabled
Nov 23 12:53:06 <Estel_> if so, it means that we need to check which package change module itself, instead of conf file
Nov 23 12:53:33 <Estel_> and not every package in every repo, just ones I got installed at some point ;)
Nov 23 12:54:15 <Estel_> which, surprisingly, is quite easy to document ;) I'm not install-whole-repo-and-check-after-if-You-need-it type
Nov 23 12:56:34 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: waiiiiiit! you got all your pre/post-install scripts still on your device I guess
Nov 23 12:59:03 <Estel_> some package that I installed and get rid of later could do something and not clear it after uninstallation, but, there are only few such packages and even less that could mess with pulseaudio
Nov 23 12:59:20 <Estel_> btw, You're right that it's worth a try with currently installed ones
Nov 23 12:59:28 <Estel_> any idea for smart grep command?
Nov 23 13:00:03 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: if n900 is charging and I stop bme will n900 stop charging?
Nov 23 13:00:26 <DocScrutinizer> grep <basename-of-file-that-got-altered> -r /*
Nov 23 13:01:00 <DocScrutinizer> not vey smart, but unbeatable in comprehensiveness
Nov 23 13:01:10 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: yes
Nov 23 13:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> after max 30s
Nov 23 13:03:34 <Estel_> but, with bme disabled, You can use charge.sh script
Nov 23 13:04:06 <Estel_> grep default.pa -r /*
Nov 23 13:04:08 <Estel_> yes?
Nov 23 13:04:31 <DocScrutinizer> try it
Nov 23 13:04:36 <Estel_> not any way to tighten it to install scripts? ;)
Nov 23 13:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> will take 'a while'
Nov 23 13:04:42 <Estel_> too*
Nov 23 13:04:44 <Estel_> yea
Nov 23 13:05:04 <DocScrutinizer> first approach /var
Nov 23 13:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> /var/cache ?
Nov 23 13:05:37 <Estel_> too late, already started whole ;)
Nov 23 13:05:53 <Estel_> I think excluding vfats could be also good idea
Nov 23 13:06:03 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Nov 23 13:06:10 <Estel_> but NFC how to prepare command like that
Nov 23 13:07:05 <vi__> How about this for an idea.
Nov 23 13:07:45 <vi__> When you start the device in ACT_DEAD mode it goes to a screen that has an option (or two) that allows either:
Nov 23 13:07:55 <vi__> 1. Normal ACT_DEAD recharge.
Nov 23 13:08:47 <vi__> 2. Battery capacity learn mode. i.e. charge to full(ish) then discharge to learn level then charge to full again.
Nov 23 13:10:25 <Estel_> vi__,  quite good idea, but instead of every-time menu
Nov 23 13:10:41 <Estel_> I would rather do it as command from early recovery shell console
Nov 23 13:10:49 <vi__> eh?
Nov 23 13:10:57 <vi__> You misunderstand
Nov 23 13:11:15 <Estel_> I mean every time when You charge
Nov 23 13:11:21 <Estel_> it's non conveinent
Nov 23 13:11:41 <vi__> ACT_DEAD mode is when you plug in n900 while it is switched off.
Nov 23 13:12:03 <vi__> It merely gives you the choice of learn charge with an onscreen button.
Nov 23 13:12:10 <Estel_> I would rather like to start device, enter console, connect, and invoke script/command/whatever, that do calibration
Nov 23 13:12:11 <vi__> Otherwise it will just charge notmally
Nov 23 13:12:15 <Estel_> I know
Nov 23 13:12:42 <Estel_> or instead of script/command, just option in early boot recovery menu
Nov 23 13:13:08 <Estel_> I quite don't like idea of on-screen promp every time I connect off device to charger
Nov 23 13:13:27 <Estel_> also, how do You plan to actually discharg it in act dead?
Nov 23 13:13:33 <vi__> Estel_: you can just ignore it and after 10seconds it disappears...
Nov 23 13:13:35 <DocScrutinizer> grep -H default.pa `find / -xdev -size -5k`
Nov 23 13:13:42 <Estel_> thats better idea
Nov 23 13:13:50 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  thanks, trying
Nov 23 13:14:19 <Estel_> vi__,  btw how do You plan to discharge it? by backlight/keylight etc? can take quite long time
Nov 23 13:14:33 <Estel_> some loop to keep cpu usage high would be better ;)
Nov 23 13:14:53 <vi__> Estel_: Wifi monitor mode, backlight max, play video, FM XT on (maybe), etc, etc...
Nov 23 13:15:09 <Estel_> then, slowly disable cpu, then backlight etc, to not reach under 3v too early
Nov 23 13:15:18 <Estel_> video from act-dead?!
Nov 23 13:15:26 <vi__> Estel_: ya.
Nov 23 13:15:34 <Estel_> if its posible, thats ok
Nov 23 13:16:45 <vi__> It could take 4-5 hours to drain the mutha then 1-2 to charge it.  This is a 'on nightstand@sleepy time ' kind of thing.
Nov 23 13:17:44 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: please first make a very normal script to do all this, then when that works in normal mode, you can deal with implementing/integrating it to act_dead
Nov 23 13:18:16 <DocScrutinizer> charging always takes at least 2h
Nov 23 13:18:44 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  command not working
Nov 23 13:18:45 <DocScrutinizer> after 1h you never see better than 70%
Nov 23 13:18:52 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: yar. Incremental development.
Nov 23 13:18:53 <Estel_> grep -H default.pa `find / -xdev -size -5k
Nov 23 13:19:10 <DocScrutinizer> add a ` at end
Nov 23 13:19:21 <Estel_> gives me another prompt starting with > No idea what it is
Nov 23 13:19:29 <vi__> BME pumps in what 750mA? into a 1500mA battery around 2Hr sounds about right.
Nov 23 13:19:34 <DocScrutinizer> enter a `
Nov 23 13:19:40 <DocScrutinizer> and that >prompt
Nov 23 13:19:46 <Estel_> vi__,  bme puts 950 but not whole charging
Nov 23 13:20:04 <Estel_> li-ions are charged differently
Nov 23 13:20:16 <Estel_> after reaching high volt it enter saturation charge
Nov 23 13:20:17 <DocScrutinizer> CCCV
Nov 23 13:20:21 <Estel_> ?
Nov 23 13:20:34 <DocScrutinizer> ConstCurrent-ConstVolt
Nov 23 13:20:50 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: I have just figured out how to hi-jack 5 dots screen and ACT_DEAD.
Nov 23 13:21:03 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: toying with ideas of what to do with it.
Nov 23 13:21:20 <Estel_> argument too long
Nov 23 13:21:54 <DocScrutinizer> yay
Nov 23 13:21:56 <vi__> Estel_: 950 0_0'   !
Nov 23 13:22:40 <DocScrutinizer> find / -xdev -size -5k -exec "grep -H default.pa {} ; "
Nov 23 13:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> but then -exec doesn't work on MESSYbox :-S
Nov 23 13:23:36 <Estel_> I hope that it isn't revolwer-spinning command (silly joke)
Nov 23 13:23:57 <Estel_> actually, it works
Nov 23 13:24:05 <Estel_> just need argument for -exec
Nov 23 13:24:27 <Estel_> find: -exec requires an argument
Nov 23 13:24:46 <Estel_> vi__,  yes if You're using capable charger
Nov 23 13:25:05 <Estel_> but as joerg_rw said
Nov 23 13:25:24 <Estel_> constCurrent-ConstVolt
Nov 23 13:25:32 <Estel_> so more You put into it from start
Nov 23 13:25:39 <Estel_> the longer saturation part is
Nov 23 13:26:39 <Estel_> advantage is, that LiPo live much, much longer (and age less, much less) if You use them between 20-80% i.e charge when they reach min 20% and charge to no more than 80%
Nov 23 13:27:21 <Estel_> in industry, where long-life is important for cost-effectives, they never charge lipo to more than 80% and discharge to less than 20%
Nov 23 13:27:44 <SpeedEvil> You can do this with your thinkpad.
Nov 23 13:28:00 <SpeedEvil> My battery is set to charge to maximum 70%
Nov 23 13:28:34 <Estel_> nice, would love it for my notebook...
Nov 23 13:28:50 <Estel_> also, to not charge it while on AC
Nov 23 13:29:03 <Estel_> i.e charge only when it reaches lets say 30%
Nov 23 13:29:13 <Estel_> so no charging from 65% to 70%
Nov 23 13:29:17 <Estel_> and so goes on
Nov 23 13:29:23 <Estel_> You know what I mean
Nov 23 13:29:37 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: find / -xdev -size -5k -exec grep -H default.pa "{}" ";" 2>/dev/null
Nov 23 13:29:53 <Estel_> it's battery killer, my XPS m1530 85Wh battery got now almost 50Wh only due to this
Nov 23 13:30:21 <Estel_> ok performing search
Nov 23 13:30:32 <Estel_> btw what was that strange > prompt?
Nov 23 13:30:39 <Estel_> silly question, probably
Nov 23 13:31:26 <DocScrutinizer> "unclosed `bracket` "
Nov 23 13:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> print "test
Nov 23 13:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> more test
Nov 23 13:31:46 <DocScrutinizer> "
Nov 23 13:32:03 <DocScrutinizer> s/print/echo/
Nov 23 13:32:35 <vi__> Well 1500mAh bl-5j batteries are common as bird shit.  So I am leaning towards Maxmimum battery life at the expense of BATTERY life.(!)
Nov 23 13:32:41 <DocScrutinizer> or  basically the answer is: $PS3
Nov 23 13:33:16 <DocScrutinizer> err $PS2
Nov 23 13:33:18 <vi__> Estel_: rip it open and re-cell that mutha.
Nov 23 13:33:21 <LaoLang_cool> How to export contacts to .vcf on n900?
Nov 23 13:33:36 <DocScrutinizer> via menu
Nov 23 13:34:21 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: thank you!
Nov 23 13:34:24 <Estel_> vi__,  in fact none of battery is 1500 except scuds, that for short time was unavailable
Nov 23 13:34:35 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: PS2="please close whatever you've opened"
Nov 23 13:34:35 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  got lotta hell of results
Nov 23 13:34:43 <Estel_> I see :D
Nov 23 13:34:54 <Estel_> and what could be put in that another promp?
Nov 23 13:35:01 <Estel_> closing character?
Nov 23 13:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> which one? PS4?
Nov 23 13:35:17 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Nov 23 13:35:25 <Estel_> vi__,  as for notebook, You're right about re-cell
Nov 23 13:35:29 <DocScrutinizer> PS1 is your normal prompt
Nov 23 13:35:39 <Estel_> PS2?
Nov 23 13:35:50 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: PS2="please close whatever you've opened >"
Nov 23 13:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> echo "test
Nov 23 13:35:57 <vi__> Estel_: scuds are easy to get.  You just have to buy more than 1 at once (which suits me fine).
Nov 23 13:36:09 <Estel_> vi__,  not exactly
Nov 23 13:36:16 <Estel_> blue scuds are now 1200 mAh
Nov 23 13:36:21 <Estel_> all available
Nov 23 13:36:48 <Estel_> they made it thinner, cause many customers complained about it being to thick to fit in dumbphones
Nov 23 13:37:13 <Estel_> now one need to buy yellow scuds 1445 mAh and in aliexpress only lucialui got it
Nov 23 13:37:27 <Estel_> they're basically same cell as old scuds, but with different label ;)
Nov 23 13:37:37 <Estel_> but they're costing more
Nov 23 13:37:51 <LaoLang_cool> Can I export contacts in .csv format?
Nov 23 13:38:00 <Estel_> basically, because only one seller sell them, otherwise they're for chineese market only
Nov 23 13:38:33 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  latest command is giving so much results
Nov 23 13:38:36 <DocScrutinizer> LaoLang_cool: I don't think so
Nov 23 13:38:40 <Estel_> that I think something is wrong
Nov 23 13:38:45 <vi__> Those yellow skinned sons of bitches
Nov 23 13:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> at least not without "tricks"
Nov 23 13:38:48 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: hmm
Nov 23 13:38:52 <Estel_> maybe it looks for default or pa? ;)
Nov 23 13:38:57 <vi__> I am of course referring to the yellow skinned scud batteries.
Nov 23 13:39:15 <Estel_> vi__,  of course ;)
Nov 23 13:39:19 <LaoLang_cool> one contact, one .vcf file. I want a one file solution :)
Nov 23 13:39:22 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: minfd to paste one or two lines?
Nov 23 13:39:30 <Estel_> of course I can
Nov 23 13:39:53 <Estel_> /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/japan:default partial xkb_compatibility "japan"  {
Nov 23 13:39:56 <Estel_> ;)
Nov 23 13:40:07 <Estel_> /usr/share/X11/xkb/compat/accessx:default partial xkb_compatibility "basic" {
Nov 23 13:40:22 <Estel_> /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.5/scapy/layers/l2.py:    def default_payload_class(self, pay):
Nov 23 13:40:27 <Estel_> and so goes on
Nov 23 13:40:33 <vi__> how much is a yellow scid these days?
Nov 23 13:40:43 <DocScrutinizer> dang
Nov 23 13:40:44 <Estel_> I must admit, it also listed history of my leafpad edits to default.pa
Nov 23 13:40:48 <Estel_> but, otherwise
Nov 23 13:40:57 <vi__> ^scud
Nov 23 13:41:06 <Estel_> lotta hell of trash. Thanks anyway, I've nfc how to prepare such commandes
Nov 23 13:41:10 <Estel_> commands*
Nov 23 13:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> -F
Nov 23 13:42:28 <DocScrutinizer> find / -xdev -size -5k -exec grep -FH default.pa "{}" ";" 2>/dev/null
Nov 23 13:44:25 <Estel_> vi__,  13.47$ for one, 24.61$ for two, 22.11$ per two when ordering min. 10 at once
Nov 23 13:44:34 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  testing
Nov 23 13:45:43 <Estel_> it works and perform
Nov 23 13:46:16 <Estel_> first results coming out, still search
Nov 23 13:46:33 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# find / -xdev -size -5k -exec grep -FH default.pa "{}" ";" 2>/dev/null
Nov 23 13:46:35 <DocScrutinizer> /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.list:/etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:46:36 <DocScrutinizer> /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.conffiles:/etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pulseaudio:pulseaudio: script-not-executable ./etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:46:39 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~#
Nov 23 13:46:51 <Estel_> /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.list:/etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:47:21 <Estel_> I'm on /var/lib/dpkg/info/pulseaudio.conffiles:/etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:47:52 <DocScrutinizer> if the "hacker" got nasty, he introduced a second level of obfuscation
Nov 23 13:48:06 <DocScrutinizer> easy to do
Nov 23 13:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> f=dafault
Nov 23 13:48:24 <DocScrutinizer> f=$f.pa
Nov 23 13:48:42 <DocScrutinizer> do_nasty_hack_to $f
Nov 23 13:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> or simply tar it
Nov 23 13:50:08 <DocScrutinizer> or delete the script doing the hack when it's done
Nov 23 13:50:15 <Estel_> /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pulseaudio:pulseaudio: script-not-executable ./etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:50:32 <Estel_> it seems i dont have this
Nov 23 13:50:39 <Estel_> still searching
Nov 23 13:50:51 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  I really doubt its hack, no use for that
Nov 23 13:50:55 <Estel_> rather some bug
Nov 23 13:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> well, not in /var, or not in plain text form
Nov 23 13:51:09 <Estel_> or at worst security hole by some not bright dev
Nov 23 13:51:37 <Estel_> Finally it found
Nov 23 13:51:45 <Estel_> /usr/share/lintian/overrides/pulseaudio:pulseaudio: script-not-executable ./etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:51:50 <Estel_> aqnd ash history
Nov 23 13:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: nonetheless it's exactly what I'd expect for that PoC hack I heard of, commented like # now let's test maemo repo QA
Nov 23 13:51:54 <Estel_> of my leafpad edits
Nov 23 13:51:57 <Estel_> and, its all
Nov 23 13:52:08 <Estel_> finished
Nov 23 13:52:21 <Estel_> maybe
Nov 23 13:52:26 <Estel_> but You haven't told me
Nov 23 13:52:35 <Estel_> if Your /etc/pulse/default.pa
Nov 23 13:52:38 <Estel_> and system.pa
Nov 23 13:52:47 <Estel_> contain such if to load tcp module
Nov 23 13:52:56 <Estel_> cause i suspect everyone may be having it
Nov 23 13:53:00 <Estel_> and in such case
Nov 23 13:53:12 <Estel_> I need to search for package that updated this module
Nov 23 13:53:18 <DocScrutinizer> Estel_: just one single chance: reflash rotfs, reinstall pkg by pkg, and check the corruption-prone file after each install
Nov 23 13:53:43 <vi__> DocScrutinizer: have fun with that.
Nov 23 13:53:45 <Estel_> no way :P
Nov 23 13:54:34 <vi__> Estel_: how certain are you that ALL blue scuds now suck?
Nov 23 13:54:49 <DocScrutinizer> vi__: *I* have fun with stuff like that: first step: start a script with initify call in it, that also sigstops dpkg, apt, plus any other running task
Nov 23 13:55:07 <DocScrutinizer> except self and xterm and a few system processes
Nov 23 13:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> inotifywait --help
Nov 23 13:56:46 <Estel_> vi__,  totally certain
Nov 23 13:56:54 <DocScrutinizer> probably it's sufficient to hardcode TASKS_TO_STOP="apt-get dpkg hildon-app-manager"
Nov 23 13:57:02 <Estel_> You can read about story of finding it in 3000mah battery mod thread
Nov 23 13:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> and then rise a fat alarm as soon as the file gets touched
Nov 23 13:57:20 <Estel_> I discovered it, others confirmed, sellers confirmed, SCUD confirmed
Nov 23 13:57:33 <vi__> bastards
Nov 23 13:57:59 <vi__> Only in china whould they establish a brand then completley undermine it to make a quick buck.
Nov 23 13:58:06 <vi__> ^would
Nov 23 13:58:39 <vi__> Estel what stuff have you installed that would dick with pulse?
Nov 23 13:58:47 <Estel_> I really believe that idiots complained about fat batteries
Nov 23 13:58:49 <vi__> audioboost script thing?
Nov 23 13:58:51 <Estel_> ;)
Nov 23 13:58:59 * DocScrutinizer stares in disbelief at some guys talking about 6% +/- in capacity of a bat like "totally sucks" vs "ACME the ultimate best"
Nov 23 13:59:01 <vi__> Headphone boost script thing
Nov 23 13:59:01 <Estel_> vi__,  I dont use audioboost script
Nov 23 13:59:02 <vi__> ?
Nov 23 13:59:25 <Estel_> 1200vs 1520 is difference between totally sucks and ultimate
Nov 23 13:59:31 <Estel_> cause dual battery is
Nov 23 13:59:40 <Estel_> 3000 mAh vs 2400
Nov 23 14:00:00 <Estel_> 600 mAh is 50% of standard battery capacity
Nov 23 14:00:31 <vi__> it is more like 10-12% doc
Nov 23 14:00:35 <Estel_> and 300 (1500 - 1200) is 25% of 1200
Nov 23 14:00:44 <Estel_> and 20% of 1500
Nov 23 14:00:45 <vi__> and on a power starved device, that counts.
Nov 23 14:00:46 <Estel_> not 6%
Nov 23 14:00:59 <vi__> Estel_: original battery is 1350
Nov 23 14:01:08 <Estel_> on label :P
Nov 23 14:01:19 <DocScrutinizer> you know what sucks? batteries sold as 2000mAh and actually provising 550mAh
Nov 23 14:01:37 <Estel_> DocScrutinizer,  there are some that provide 400 mAh
Nov 23 14:01:40 <Estel_> ;)
Nov 23 14:01:47 <Estel_> but, scuds arent that cheap
Nov 23 14:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> yeah on label, in real life it's more like 1380
Nov 23 14:01:54 <Estel_> to contain 1200 mAh
Nov 23 14:02:09 <Estel_> normally, they advertised 1420 and contained 1520 real
Nov 23 14:02:23 <Estel_> with change to 1200 they didn't changed pice ;)
Nov 23 14:02:37 <Estel_> and, 1445 now are real 1520 to, same battery
Nov 23 14:02:45 <Estel_> ok, I'm pff now
Nov 23 14:02:48 <Estel_> off*
Nov 23 14:02:53 <Estel_> if someone can check
Nov 23 14:02:59 <Estel_> system.pa and default.pa
Nov 23 14:03:06 <Estel_> for mentioned if and load module
Nov 23 14:03:10 <Estel_> I would be grateful
Nov 23 14:03:19 <Estel_> cause I suspect module was changed, now config
Nov 23 14:03:22 <Estel_> see ya!
Nov 23 14:03:24 <vi__> bb
Nov 23 14:03:51 <vi__> They could have fitted more battery in if they wanted.
Nov 23 14:03:58 <vi__> bastards
Nov 23 14:04:03 <DocScrutinizer> I lost you on the module part, completely
Nov 23 14:09:42 <luke-jr> wee, GCC 4.5 finished
Nov 23 14:10:07 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/gcc45/sys-devel/gcc-4.5.3-r1.tbz2
Nov 23 14:12:46 <MaceSyn> lol
Nov 23 14:12:53 <MaceSyn> take like 10 days?
Nov 23 14:13:31 <MaceSyn> hey luke-jr i built oidentd for my synology! woo :) 
Nov 23 14:13:46 <MaceSyn> i felt like i was using slackware in 1993 all over again
Nov 23 14:13:50 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 23 14:13:57 <luke-jr> MaceSyn: 1
Nov 23 14:14:35 <MaceSyn> wow so doing some sort of cross compiling is out of the question?
Nov 23 14:14:52 <MaceSyn> can't you set up a cross compiler and distcc ?
Nov 23 14:16:06 <MaceSyn> i need to find out how to make pkgs with ipkg
Nov 23 14:16:24 <MaceSyn> so i can pkg up my oidentd :) .. fisher price.. my first package
Nov 23 14:21:01 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: - why - rather than the one in build-essential?
Nov 23 14:21:06 <SpeedEvil> s
Nov 23 14:21:50 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: what one?
Nov 23 14:22:02 <SpeedEvil> gcc
Nov 23 14:22:09 <luke-jr> MaceSyn: cross-distcc requires having the compiler everywhere first
Nov 23 14:22:21 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: there is no build-essential
Nov 23 14:22:46 <SpeedEvil> There is in the tools repo
Nov 23 14:23:03 <luke-jr> there's a tools repo for Gentoo?
Nov 23 14:23:12 <SpeedEvil> Oh
Nov 23 14:23:25 * SpeedEvil diddn't realise this was #gentoo
Nov 23 14:24:49 <luke-jr> pay attention
Nov 23 14:25:25 <MaceSyn> lol
Nov 23 14:25:32 <MaceSyn> it is gentoo on n900 using maemo modules
Nov 23 14:25:43 <MaceSyn> and a maemo kernel i suppose
Nov 23 14:26:30 <luke-jr> maemo modules?
Nov 23 14:26:56 <MaceSyn> i figured you needed the modules to get the hw working
Nov 23 14:28:35 <MaceSyn> i am sure you had to use some sort of disgusting hackery of maemo in order to get your gentoo abortion running on the n900 :-) 
Nov 23 14:29:23 <luke-jr> MaceSyn: Fremantle kernel built fine with GCC 4.4 at least
Nov 23 14:29:27 <luke-jr> haven't tried building with 4.5 yer
Nov 23 14:29:28 <luke-jr> yet&
Nov 23 14:29:37 <luke-jr> but I imagine a MeeGo kernel might work better now
Nov 23 14:31:12 <luke-jr> anyhow, now that I have GCC everywhere at the same version, I can cross-distcc to help a little
Nov 23 14:31:20 <luke-jr> dunno how I'll deal with qt-webkit yet
Nov 23 14:33:15 <MaceSyn> lol. well i am sure the distcc will help more than a little
Nov 23 14:33:31 <MaceSyn> but can gentoo make phone calls??? :-) 
Nov 23 14:34:12 <luke-jr> MaceSyn: dunno, ofono 1.0 supposedly supports all 2G/3G functionality, but Nokia abandoned the N900 driver…
Nov 23 14:34:30 <luke-jr> I only has 100 minutes anyway
Nov 23 14:34:45 <MaceSyn> lol
Nov 23 14:34:53 <MaceSyn> sounds like typical nokia 
Nov 23 14:35:09 <MaceSyn> but the driver in place should still work
Nov 23 14:35:14 <luke-jr> ?
Nov 23 14:35:19 <luke-jr> what driver in place?
Nov 23 14:35:45 <MaceSyn> didnt nokia release a blob?
Nov 23 14:36:10 <luke-jr> no?
Nov 23 14:36:46 <MaceSyn> oh
Nov 23 14:36:51 <MaceSyn> you sure?
Nov 23 14:37:10 <MaceSyn> could have sworn they did
Nov 23 14:38:14 <MohammadAG> Blob of?
Nov 23 14:38:50 <RST38h> Nokia Siemens to cut 17,000 jobs as part of global restructuring
Nov 23 14:39:46 <jonwil> As far as I know no binary bits are required to use the cellular functions of the N900 with ofono except the cell modem firmware itself
Nov 23 14:40:11 <jonwil> ofono is GPL and contains no binary bits whatsoever
Nov 23 14:40:51 <jonwil> bah, why did nokia have to hard-code the list of valid hwkb layouts in not ONE but TWO closed-source binaries... :(
Nov 23 14:41:28 <MohammadAG> jonwil, what are you doing now? :P
Nov 23 14:41:34 <vi__> jonwil: Complete lack of future vision.
Nov 23 14:42:30 <jonwil> looking into how hard it would be to clone western_common_vim_settings.so, libcptextinput.so and hildon-input-method-configurator.bin which would cover all the bits one needs to expand the list of valid hwkb layouts
Nov 23 14:42:48 <jonwil> and like pretty much anything with UI, the first of the 3 is a mess
Nov 23 14:43:00 <jonwil> I mean anything with a GTK UI
Nov 23 14:50:11 <jonwil> if hell freezes over and we get more N900 code, top of my wishlist are (in order) connui-*, hildon-input-method-*, icd-* :)
Nov 23 14:51:11 <vi__> why those particular pieces?
Nov 23 14:52:20 <luke-jr> jonwil: lame
Nov 23 14:52:28 <jonwil> because all 3 are things which it would be very usefull to be able to extend and change and mess with for all sorts of reasons
Nov 23 14:52:31 * SpeedEvil notes the redundant bit of jonwils wishlist, and shortens to "*"
Nov 23 14:52:33 <luke-jr> stop prioritizing useless crap
Nov 23 14:52:40 <jonwil> What would YOU put at the top of the wishlist?
Nov 23 14:52:45 <luke-jr> PowerVR driver.
Nov 23 14:52:45 <SpeedEvil> What would
Nov 23 14:52:47 <SpeedEvil> yeah - that
Nov 23 14:52:56 <SpeedEvil> powervr driver is some orders of magnitude harder.
Nov 23 14:53:29 <vi__> powervr is not even nokias
Nov 23 14:53:37 <luke-jr> still at the top of my list.
Nov 23 14:53:46 <jonwil> yeah but that's never going to happen and never was even when nokia was at least pretending to consider options for open-sourcing stuff.
Nov 23 14:53:49 <luke-jr> N810 gpsdriver is next
Nov 23 14:53:50 <vi__> unless anonymous hacking group or somone corrupts there servers you will NEVER see code for it.
Nov 23 14:54:08 <luke-jr> vi__: leaked code isn't useful much either
Nov 23 14:54:21 <vi__> luke-jr: lol orly?
Nov 23 14:54:40 <luke-jr> I suppose someone could taint themselves and document it from the code
Nov 23 14:54:49 <luke-jr> and someone unrelated could use the docs to write a new one
Nov 23 14:55:05 <vi__> 'taint themselves'...hah!
Nov 23 14:55:34 <vi__> we are talking about obscure binaries from an obscure 3 year old device that has been aboinded by its manufacturer.
Nov 23 14:55:56 <jonwil> I recon if people can figure out the NVIDIA desktop GPUs with no help from NVIDIA, there is no reason why the same couldn't be doing for PowerVR if you put in the effort
Nov 23 14:56:02 <vi__> You really think anyone cares enough to check for 'tainited' code let alone complain to the relevent authorities?
Nov 23 14:56:23 * SpeedEvil votes for luke-jr to put in the effort.
Nov 23 14:56:29 <jonwil> "you" being "someone with the skills"
Nov 23 14:56:40 <jonwil> IF I had the ARM ASM skills, I would try it myself
Nov 23 14:56:42 <jonwil> but I dont
Nov 23 14:56:44 <jonwil> :P
Nov 23 14:56:45 <SpeedEvil> I wish there was a nice funding solution.
Nov 23 14:57:10 <SpeedEvil> For example, I'd like to contribute $5 for a working powervr driver
Nov 23 14:57:13 <SpeedEvil> open
Nov 23 14:59:09 <jonwil> maybe someone needs to set up a donation drive then, get guys interested in other phones with the same PowerVR architecture as the N900 (e.g. android phones) to contribute skills or cash or whatever
Nov 23 14:59:25 <jonwil> and yes powervr would be my #1 wish to have
Nov 23 14:59:35 <jonwil> but the others are my #2, #3 and #4
Nov 23 14:59:37 <vi__> SpeedEvil: well we pool our money and either pay a reverse engineerer or a black hat hackerer...
Nov 23 15:02:55 <jonwil> and yes hildon-input-method closed bits are VERY usefull to have, there is a LOT of things going on there that arent easy to replicate, same with the icd daemon and its plugins
Nov 23 15:04:26 <jonwil> oh and I think that if someone stole PowerVR code (regardless of which chipset or device it is for) PowerVR would pursue all legal avenues they can to get it taken down and stop people using it
Nov 23 15:05:55 <vi__> yeah, but once it is out there it is OUT THERE.  It is a perfect spot to start creating a free alternative.
Nov 23 15:07:04 * jonwil suspects PowerVR would probably use their patent portfolio to shut things down if they thought there was a threat to them somehow
Nov 23 15:07:10 <jonwil> and yes they do have one
Nov 23 15:07:37 <vi__> bastards
Nov 23 15:09:07 * jonwil thinks he will see how hard libicd_network_wlan is to clone
Nov 23 15:09:14 <jonwil> or to figure out
Nov 23 15:31:07 <vdv> anybody using mscim here? i've installed it, how should it be used? in the settings menu there's a section for mscim, but there's only two buttons
Nov 23 15:31:39 <vdv> do i understand right, that mscim is for switching input languages?
Nov 23 15:46:55 * jonwil is beginning to see why people hate GTK so much
Nov 23 16:18:20 <arvut> oink! its time 4 a... $h0w€®!
Nov 23 16:18:30 <r00t|home> a what?
Nov 23 16:18:41 <r00t|home> a "$h0wâ¬Â®"?
Nov 23 16:19:24 <x29a> shower
Nov 23 16:36:36 <arvut> r00t|home: =)
Nov 23 16:49:50 <slonopotamus> for some mysterious reason my n900 doesn't send/receive anything when it shows "3G" connection. all other (2G, 2.5, 3.5) work perfectly
Nov 23 17:05:15 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: you should quit forking :P
Nov 23 17:13:39 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Nov 23 17:13:55 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Nov 23 17:14:00 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.
Nov 23 17:16:00 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: pong
Nov 23 17:16:13 <Pali> pong DocScrutinizer
Nov 23 17:16:37 <Pali> what is state of kernel module for charging?
Nov 23 17:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> nuttin
Nov 23 17:17:45 <Pali> has somebody start writing code?
Nov 23 17:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> there's never been plans for such a module, I sketched a API for controlling the bq24150 via sysfs, but seems nobody is interested in implementing it, and no wonder as it conflicts with bme
Nov 23 17:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> so this module would basically implement in kernel what is now handled by our charge.sh script
Nov 23 17:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> you still need userland stuff to do things like USB enum and negotiate power-consumption, signal charge state to HAL/whatever, etc
Nov 23 17:20:57 <Pali> I'd like to start writing bq24150 kernel code, but I do not know that bq chip
Nov 23 17:21:24 <DocScrutinizer> no problem, my half-done API spec has all the details you need to know
Nov 23 17:21:50 <DocScrutinizer> or, if anything not clear with it, just ask me
Nov 23 17:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> but then we got the problem of bme acting up when this module is loaded, just like we see with bq27200
Nov 23 17:24:01 <Pali> problem is that I do not know how to access to that bq registers
Nov 23 17:24:27 <Pali> we can create wrapper library for BME
Nov 23 17:24:36 <DocScrutinizer> duh, simple. via i2c
Nov 23 17:24:56 <DocScrutinizer> just look at bq27200.ko
Nov 23 17:25:17 <DocScrutinizer> you basically can c&p the stuff from there
Nov 23 17:26:15 <Pali> Ok, I already created some patch for bq27x00_battery.ko so I can start from this point
Nov 23 17:26:57 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/bq24150-sysnode.spec.txt
Nov 23 17:27:25 <Pali> I already have downloaded this txt
Nov 23 17:29:02 <Pali> Is original datasheet with all bq24150 registers available?
Nov 23 17:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 23 17:34:08 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management  
Nov 23 17:34:26 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_management#USB_battery_charger
Nov 23 17:35:08 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.ti.com/product/bq24150
Nov 23 17:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Battery_Charger
Nov 23 17:36:31 <Pali> Thanks!
Nov 23 18:09:02 <smegheadz> howdy
Nov 23 18:48:10 <Tofe> Hello !
Nov 23 18:49:57 <Tofe> I googled and googled this around, but still, I didn't find a way to solve one problem with my N900. Long story short, my problem is exactly the one described here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70793 
Nov 23 18:51:52 <Tofe> of course I tried all the possible workarounds: delete the conversation database, restore the default theme from a clean backup... still, the problem occurs. I *think* the database is ok, as the list of messages appears , but I don't know how to check that
Nov 23 18:52:53 <Tofe> it's a phone I got just two days ago, so destroying the messages database and restarting from scratch is not a problem for me. But it doesn't seem like it solves anything.
Nov 23 18:53:52 <Tofe> would anyone here have solved this problem in the past, by chance ?
Nov 23 19:13:10 <Tofe> Solved !!
Nov 23 19:13:51 <Tofe> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456#c15 <-- deleting ~/.mozilla/rtcom was the key here. \o/
Nov 23 19:13:53 <povbot> 04Bug 11456: History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3
Nov 23 19:25:50 <smegheadz> glad you got it solved
Nov 23 19:27:20 <Tofe> I'm glad too :)
Nov 23 19:27:27 <smegheadz> i'm stuck trying to figure out a simple way to get all my contacts from my n900 to my work phone which is a wp7
Nov 23 19:27:47 <Tofe> export/import of vCard isn't possible ?
Nov 23 19:27:49 <smegheadz> n900 doesn't support pbap so can't bluetooth sync
Nov 23 19:27:52 <ShadowJK> my n900 syncs quite nicely with my e7 over bluetooth
Nov 23 19:28:03 <smegheadz> symbian is fine
Nov 23 19:28:07 <smegheadz> i can do that
Nov 23 19:28:14 <smegheadz> but n900 to windows phone isn't
Nov 23 19:28:24 <ShadowJK> what did they leave out of the windows phone? :D
Nov 23 19:28:40 <smegheadz> symbian, android, ios, blackberry to wp7 all works fine for contact sync
Nov 23 19:28:57 <smegheadz> it's the n900 doesn't support pbap
Nov 23 19:29:21 <smegheadz> http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP
Nov 23 19:29:48 <ShadowJK> And that windows phone doesn't support the sync thingy profile N900 and symbian does?
Nov 23 19:30:09 <smegheadz> yup
Nov 23 19:30:43 <smegheadz> you can sync contacts from symbian, andriod, ios and wp7 fine with each other. but n900 can't
Nov 23 19:30:50 <Sicelo> pbap, aiui is not for contact transfer
Nov 23 19:31:13 <smegheadz> guess thats why then haha
Nov 23 19:31:20 <smegheadz> i'm clutching at straws here
Nov 23 19:31:27 <smegheadz> i tried using gmail account
Nov 23 19:31:47 <smegheadz> exported all my contacts as vcard then merged them and imported to gmail contacts
Nov 23 19:32:05 <smegheadz> but contacts with multiple numbers only have the first number copied
Nov 23 19:32:58 <smegheadz> i don't have outlook to do it that way
Nov 23 19:33:00 <ShadowJK> before E75 -> N900 transition, I always used the sim as contacts carrier :)
Nov 23 19:33:27 <smegheadz> thats a messy way. i tried that and i ended up just deleting all haha
Nov 23 19:33:59 <smegheadz> when i did n95 8gb to n900 it was easy. synced fine
Nov 23 19:34:21 <smegheadz> i'm trying to revive it now to go back to it then to this wp7 junk
Nov 23 19:37:58 <smegheadz> there are things which are good about wp7 but there's lots still not good. they really need to get the basics sorted. if i've 2 numbers for a contact and i get a text from them, i can't tell which number they txt from.
Nov 23 19:39:11 <smegheadz> anyone want to give me a free lcd for n900 :D
Nov 23 19:40:00 <RST38h> no.
Nov 23 19:41:08 <smegheadz> this is why i thought it was pbap that was stopping me from transfering from n900 to wp7 http://www.nokia.co.uk/gb-en/support/product/lumia800/faq/?action=singleFAQ&caseid=FA136275_en_US
Nov 23 19:41:24 <Phlogistique> smegheadz: I recently saw a non-working n900 on sale on ebay
Nov 23 19:41:26 <Phlogistique> for parts
Nov 23 19:41:36 <smegheadz> hmm interesting
Nov 23 19:42:42 <smegheadz> i've got to drop into a repair place saturday and if there's issues with getting it sorted i will go the ebay route. 
Nov 23 19:42:55 <smegheadz> cheers for that. well i'm off now. l8r
Nov 23 19:52:05 <asdffdsa> hello, thx 4 your help. i resolved the problem with the battery
Nov 23 19:52:30 <chem|st> asdffdsa: details?
Nov 23 19:54:34 <asdffdsa> i went to a cellphone store and charged the battery for 10 minutes. went home flashed the n900 and now all works fine....still reinstalling the software, but it works ^^
Nov 23 19:57:05 <Sicelo> nice asdffdsa 
Nov 23 19:57:06 <Sicelo> :)
Nov 23 19:57:14 <asdffdsa> ^
Nov 23 19:57:16 <asdffdsa> ^^
Nov 23 20:05:00 <asdffdsa> whats the R&D Mode for?
Nov 23 20:05:32 <Tofe> it's for going root (the official way)
Nov 23 20:06:15 <asdffdsa> oh...hmm...gainroot :D
Nov 23 21:32:56 <Cor-Ai> anyone got an micro usb port for sale? :P
Nov 23 21:46:59 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: R&D mode is for R&D ;-D
Nov 23 21:47:35 <asdffdsa> lol but what means R&D?
Nov 23 21:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> it enables some functions usual users don't need (no, I don't mean root access), and it disables some functions that can get annoying for hardcore devels (e.g watchdog timer reboots)
Nov 23 21:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> R&D = Research&Development
Nov 23 21:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> or maybe Rock'n'Roll & DaDaism
Nov 23 21:52:40 <DocScrutinizer> Tofe: you're sure R&D is the *official* way to get root access?
Nov 23 21:53:37 <DocScrutinizer> I thought it's been "install rootsh pkg" since days of diablo
Nov 23 21:53:44 <DocScrutinizer> maybe even longer
Nov 23 21:55:08 <asdffdsa> whats the diablo?
Nov 23 21:55:27 <DocScrutinizer> N8x0 OS
Nov 23 21:55:37 <asdffdsa> uh
Nov 23 21:55:37 <DocScrutinizer> maemo diablo
Nov 23 21:55:50 <DocScrutinizer> aka maemo4
Nov 23 21:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Codenames
Nov 23 21:57:19 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Maemo_roadmap/Diablo
Nov 23 21:58:48 <chem|st> Cor-Ai: shops usually have that many that they even sell them!
Nov 23 21:58:59 <asdffdsa> anyone tryed the multiboot of maemo5 and meego?
Nov 23 21:59:43 <chem|st> ~multiboot
Nov 23 21:59:44 <infobot> somebody said multiboot was at http://www.cantech.net.au/plug/08-1998/287.html
Nov 23 22:00:07 <chem|st> asdffdsa: not worth it btw
Nov 23 22:08:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~maemo-multiboot
Nov 23 22:08:32 <infobot> well, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED
Nov 23 22:09:06 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: you probably mean uBoot-based dualboot
Nov 23 22:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> which is *not* deprecated
Nov 23 22:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> heard it just works
Nov 23 22:10:03 <DocScrutinizer> unless you install multiboot
Nov 23 22:10:05 <asdffdsa> DocScrutinizer, yes i meand this ^
Nov 23 22:12:35 <vi___> hey bros
Nov 23 22:12:42 <vi___> I have a serious confusion here
Nov 23 22:13:05 <vi___> how TF can only half y keymap get fcd up?
Nov 23 22:13:31 <vi___> Is there a program for checking which keystroke is entered?
Nov 23 22:14:30 <vi___> anyone?
Nov 23 22:15:04 <vi___> somthing like xev
Nov 23 22:19:03 <mgedmin> on maemo 5? you can apt-get install xev
Nov 23 22:19:07 <mgedmin> from the tools repo, iirc
Nov 23 22:19:24 <vi___> yeah but it doesnt work
Nov 23 22:19:27 <mgedmin> (better do that over ssh)
Nov 23 22:19:32 <vi___> my keymap still works
Nov 23 22:19:41 <vi___> except for 1 key that has changed
Nov 23 22:19:51 <vi___> which is completley bananas
Nov 23 22:20:20 <vi___> I used have TAB mapped to alt+enter
Nov 23 22:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell Cor-Ai about usbfix
Nov 23 22:20:33 <vi___> now it only works when I press ctrl+alt+enter
Nov 23 22:20:55 <vi___> everything else is the same and te keymap is the same
Nov 23 22:20:56 <vi___> WTF
Nov 23 22:21:02 <vi___> WTF F 
Nov 23 22:22:28 <vi___> if anyone has any suggestions please dont hold back
Nov 23 22:23:09 <mgedmin> xkb is not exactly made of ponies and chocolate
Nov 23 22:23:37 <mgedmin> what's wrong with using ctrl-i instead of tab?
Nov 23 22:23:58 <mgedmin> wait, I misunderstood, I think
Nov 23 22:24:05 <mgedmin> you want the tab key to send alt-enter
Nov 23 22:24:08 <Jooles_> yeah, I had fun with my desktop where shift-backspace somehow got mapped to ctrl-alt-backspace. That was less than amusing
Nov 23 22:24:34 * mgedmin remembers the cries when people complained about ctrl-alt-backspace being disabled by default
Nov 23 22:24:51 <vi___> wut?
Nov 23 22:24:55 <vi___> this is on the n900
Nov 23 22:25:16 <Jooles_> it's still xkb and it's wierdness
Nov 23 22:25:26 <vi___> For a long time I have had tab mapped to alt(blue button)+return.
Nov 23 22:25:29 <vi___> it is fast
Nov 23 22:25:31 <vi___> I like it
Nov 23 22:26:02 <vi___> annd now NOTHING has changed except I now have to press ctrl+alt+enter to get tab
Nov 23 22:26:07 <vi___> WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK
Nov 23 22:26:37 <vi___> tab is on level 2
Nov 23 22:26:53 <vi___> I also have esc mapped to alt+backspace
Nov 23 22:27:00 <vi___> IT STILL WORKS FINE
Nov 23 22:28:59 <mgedmin> blue button is not alt, it's fn
Nov 23 22:29:21 <vi___>  key <BKSP> 	{ type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2", symbols[Group1] = [ 	BackSpace, 	Escape] };     key <RTRN> 	{ type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2", symbols[Group1] = [ 	KP_Enter, 	Tab	 	] };
Nov 23 22:29:36 <vi___> here are two lines that have worked fine for aeons
Nov 23 22:29:40 <mgedmin> hmm
Nov 23 22:30:02 <vi___> the top allows backspace to be esc pressed with blue
Nov 23 22:30:23 <vi___> the bottom allows tab when return pressed with blue
Nov 23 22:30:35 <vi___> this implies my modifiers are not broken
Nov 23 22:30:54 <vi___> how can I check the keycode for a given key?
Nov 23 22:31:01 <mgedmin> what if instead of type[Group1] = "PC_FN_LEVEL2" you used type = "PC_FN_LEVEL2"?
Nov 23 22:31:48 <vi___> I am not keen to alter xkb map until I know what keycode my return key is giving
Nov 23 22:31:52 <mgedmin> to look at your current *full* xkb configuration, use xkbcomp :0 - |less
Nov 23 22:32:01 <mgedmin> xev will give you the (numerical) keycode
Nov 23 22:32:18 <mgedmin> the aforementioned xkbcomp will have a xkb_keycodes section
Nov 23 22:32:26 <mgedmin> in it you will see the name to keycode mapping
Nov 23 22:32:29 <mgedmin> <RTRN> is keycode 36
Nov 23 22:32:44 <mgedmin> I wonder if the key is <RTRN> or <KPEN>...
Nov 23 22:33:25 <mgedmin> also [Group1]...
Nov 23 22:33:46 <mgedmin> maybe some modifier is toggled and now you're using Group2?
Nov 23 22:33:50 <Jooles_> i believe i've seen people elsewhere bemoan the lack of <KPEN> on the n900...
Nov 23 22:34:02 <asdffdsa> does anyone know how to get the Video-out running?
Nov 23 22:34:10 <mgedmin> I don't remember how multiple keyboard layouts/languages are implemented on the n900
Nov 23 22:34:19 <mgedmin> asdffdsa, plug in cable, it should Just Work
Nov 23 22:34:28 <mgedmin> iirc there's a control panel applet where you can choose PAL/NTSC
Nov 23 22:34:37 <asdffdsa> cant get a signal
Nov 23 22:34:55 <mgedmin> this on Composite input?
Nov 23 22:34:58 * mgedmin shrugs
Nov 23 22:35:10 <mgedmin> check if the cable is snugly plugged in?
Nov 23 22:36:40 <vi___> mgedmin: then how would the line with esc mapped to backspace also in group1 still work?
Nov 23 22:36:48 <mgedmin> good point
Nov 23 22:37:07 <vi___> is there a program that will show me a keycode when I press a bitton?
Nov 23 22:37:11 <vi___> \^button
Nov 23 22:37:32 <mgedmin> I did not understand the problem you had with xev
Nov 23 22:38:23 <mgedmin> if you run xev from an ssh connection into your n900, it should work fine
Nov 23 22:38:48 <mgedmin> (if you run it in a terminal directly, there can be problems -- iirc it takes the entire screen and you've no way to close it or something)
Nov 23 22:40:01 <DocScrutinizer> mgedmin: >KPEN> - age old bug
Nov 23 22:40:20 <mgedmin> what, exactly, is the bug about?
Nov 23 22:40:49 <DocScrutinizer> the bug is "N900 CR always creates KP-Enter
Nov 23 22:40:52 <DocScrutinizer> "
Nov 23 22:40:55 <mgedmin> I was irritated by the enter key entering <esc>OM and breaking screen over ssh or some such nonsense, but this seems like something unrelated to physical keycode mapping
Nov 23 22:41:26 <mgedmin> you saw vi___'s keymap -- <RTRN> was mapped to KP_Enter
Nov 23 22:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> see
Nov 23 22:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~jr-tools
Nov 23 22:41:36 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 23 22:41:40 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Nov 23 22:41:40 <infobot> methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 23 22:41:42 <mgedmin> if it were mapped to Return, it'd be different
Nov 23 22:42:02 <mgedmin> (what genius decided to use Enter for the D-Pad select button and map it to toggle-VKB by default?)
Nov 23 22:42:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~jr-tools is <reply>see jrtools
Nov 23 22:42:10 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Nov 23 22:42:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~jr-tools
Nov 23 22:42:16 <infobot> somebody said jrtools was http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Nov 23 22:50:26 <asdffdsa> i cant fix the SVideo output of the n900
Nov 23 22:50:55 <asdffdsa> did i have to reboot after changing from pal to ntsc?
Nov 23 22:53:35 <vi___> xev does not capture any keystrokes
Nov 23 22:53:49 <vi___> except for blue+return
Nov 23 22:53:54 <vi___> and shift+return
Nov 23 22:54:04 <vi___> and they both return the same info
Nov 23 22:54:31 <vi___> further more now it is shift+blue that makes return do its thing
Nov 23 22:54:35 <vi___> WTF is going on here
Nov 23 22:54:39 <vi___> this is insane
Nov 23 22:54:49 <vi___> how can I check what my current keymap is?
Nov 23 22:56:03 <luke-jr> what's the fastest SD "class" that N900 supports again?
Nov 23 22:56:44 <vi___> none, SD class is a myth
Nov 23 22:57:53 <asdffdsa> ? any idea with the S-Video Signal?
Nov 23 22:57:56 <Jooles_> not true, but genuine sd cards are rare. Put a class 6 stamp on a class 2, hike up the price, most people won't know
Nov 23 22:58:19 <Jooles_> heh, you should see some of the really fake ones I've seen
Nov 23 22:58:36 <vi___> well in that case you cannot go wrong with a class 4 sandisk
Nov 23 22:58:48 <vi___> only if you buy a real one
Nov 23 22:58:50 <vi___> do not buy a class 10
Nov 23 22:58:53 <vi___> they are utter shit
Nov 23 22:58:58 <vi___> and will rape your data
Nov 23 22:59:02 <Jooles_> 256mb cards set to loop over themselves so they appear as 4gb to the os and obviously don't work
Nov 23 22:59:45 <luke-jr> …
Nov 23 22:59:46 <luke-jr> paranoid
Nov 23 23:00:28 <Jooles_> i work in a second hand phone/games/dvd store and do a lot of the hardware testing
Nov 23 23:01:10 <vi___> luke-jr: buy from a reputable retailer and prepare to pay the full price.
Nov 23 23:01:19 <vi___> there are NO cheap SD cards
Nov 23 23:01:24 <Jooles_> in fairness most cards are real, just make sure you trust the store if you buy second hand or over the net
Nov 23 23:02:42 <Jooles_> yeah, cheap flash memory sucks. I have a usb stick that has to be reformatted after every 10 writes or so else it starts to corrupt everything
Nov 23 23:04:21 <luke-jr> doubt NewEgg has fakes
Nov 23 23:04:39 <luke-jr> … if onyl their site would stay up x.x
Nov 23 23:09:11 <vi___> if anyone can give me any indication as to why the f my return key has decided to f itself please, speak up
Nov 23 23:09:19 <vi___> i am running out of ideas
Nov 23 23:10:18 <Jooles_> Wish I could help you man. I have no idea and have always just stayed away from xkb where possible
Nov 23 23:10:34 <luke-jr> so no idea what the max speed is?
Nov 23 23:14:03 <luke-jr> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161411
Nov 23 23:14:05 <luke-jr> look good?
Nov 23 23:15:38 <luke-jr> Jooles_?
Nov 23 23:16:24 <Jooles_> just checking... hang on
Nov 23 23:17:35 <asdffdsa> grrr...any idea with the Video out?
Nov 23 23:17:48 <luke-jr> asdffdsa: ?
Nov 23 23:17:53 <luke-jr> asdffdsa: I think it defaults to PAL
Nov 23 23:17:58 <asdffdsa> i tryed PAL & NTSC but i cant recive a signal
Nov 23 23:18:14 <Jooles_> looking on the maemo forums someone says they've got a class 10 card in an n900 but it runs at about 4MB (class 4)
Nov 23 23:19:19 <Jooles_> luke-jr, that looks like a nice card but I suspect the phone won't run it at that speed
Nov 23 23:19:29 <luke-jr> Jooles_: well, that's why I asked :p
Nov 23 23:19:39 <luke-jr> but Class 4 is only like $5 less
Nov 23 23:19:44 <luke-jr> and Class 6 is *more* :p
Nov 23 23:20:14 <luke-jr> I already know from experience that MicroSD is faster than the internal SSD though ;)
Nov 23 23:20:37 <Jooles_> well in that case just get the class 10 and it'll work fast if you ever put it in a faster device :)
Nov 23 23:21:15 <Jooles_> heh, yeah. I just moved my apt cache to the internal sd card and it's incredibly slow
Nov 23 23:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: you have to follow correct plugging sequence
Nov 23 23:21:55 <asdffdsa> lol
Nov 23 23:22:01 <DocScrutinizer> wut?
Nov 23 23:22:04 <asdffdsa> which sequence?
Nov 23 23:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> first connect cable to TV, then plug in to N900
Nov 23 23:22:53 <DocScrutinizer> also make sure your yellow plug is plugged to a receptacle named either CVBS or Video-in
Nov 23 23:23:16 <DocScrutinizer> don't mix this with any of the other possible plugs like component etc
Nov 23 23:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> then obviously you also need to select correct input on your TV saet
Nov 23 23:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> set*
Nov 23 23:24:21 <DocScrutinizer> asdffdsa: switching PAL/NTSC will max change color vs b&w plus some geometry error
Nov 23 23:24:54 <DocScrutinizer> no way you get the thing started from black screen by meddling with PAL/NTSC selection
Nov 23 23:24:58 <asdffdsa> i only get a blank screen
Nov 23 23:25:24 <vi___> asdffdsa: then you are doing it wrong.
Nov 23 23:25:38 <DocScrutinizer> then you eeither didn't follow plugging sequence, or selected wrong input, or used wrong input
Nov 23 23:26:10 <DocScrutinizer> do you at least get audio?
Nov 23 23:26:41 <asdffdsa> oh ^
Nov 23 23:26:43 <asdffdsa> ^^
Nov 23 23:26:56 <asdffdsa> hm....S-Video / AV 
Nov 23 23:27:06 <DocScrutinizer> tell me! you used the white plug for video, right?
Nov 23 23:27:08 <asdffdsa> that shouldnt happen to me -.-
Nov 23 23:27:20 <DocScrutinizer> tzztzztzz
Nov 23 23:27:30 <asdffdsa> no used the wrong channel on tv -.-
Nov 23 23:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> I decided to ignore that when you first said SVideo
Nov 23 23:28:03 <Jooles_> epic fail :)
Nov 23 23:28:18 <Jooles_> least you got it figured out now
Nov 23 23:29:36 <asdffdsa> damn....realy epic fail -.-
Nov 23 23:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> epic fail was if you plugged it into sth like HDMI and the video signal triggered the digital remote control channel and made your HDD-recorder erase your 5TB of ancient DrWho records
Nov 23 23:35:45 <Jooles_> i dunno... that might be beyond fail
Nov 23 23:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> then in a panic you pulled the plug and this crashed the recorder's hw and meanwhile you tripped over the cable to N900, it dropped and you stepped on it and broke your foot
Nov 23 23:36:22 <DocScrutinizer> THAT was an *epic* fail
Nov 23 23:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> selecting wrong TV in chan is just a mishap
Nov 23 23:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> sorry ;-D
Nov 23 23:37:47 <Jooles_> Remind me not to help you program your VCR... I can't afford that kind of insurance
Nov 23 23:41:39 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: you actually might be interested in GTA04
Nov 23 23:42:07 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: ?
Nov 23 23:42:24 <luke-jr> Jooles_: I moved my swap to MicroSD
Nov 23 23:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> (to cure this strange turn of your mind:) I started contributing to the hw design ;-D
Nov 23 23:44:11 <luke-jr> Jooles_: hmm, some of these reviews are very bad
Nov 23 23:44:20 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: did you add a kb?
Nov 23 23:44:45 <DocScrutinizer> I'm still struggling with that one :-D
Nov 23 23:44:54 <DocScrutinizer> option is already there
Nov 23 23:45:33 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: you know it'S a tad hard to find old GTA02 kbd to revamp for GTA04 ;-D
Nov 23 23:47:13 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: http://projects.goldelico.com/upload/gta04-main/files/GTA04A3-1-complete.pdf   p.88  "Sheet: 16/19 Keypad"
Nov 23 23:48:30 <Jooles_> luke-jr i didn't read the reviews... personally I'd go to a local photo shop if you want a high spec card. they're also more likely to have a better returns policy. Then again I can't affor that so I buy them from my shop
Nov 23 23:56:39 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: btw, did you hear there's a chance one of the ARM SoC vendors might do free 3D drivers?
Nov 23 23:57:18 <jonwil> which vendor is that?
Nov 23 23:57:18 <DocScrutinizer> I heard rumours on IRC, nothing serious though
Nov 23 23:57:24 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: license on that document is unclear. it says CC-BY-SA, but has an icon for CC-BY-NC-SA
Nov 23 23:57:35 <luke-jr> jonwil: the one that bought the stuff from AMD IIRC
Nov 23 23:57:51 <jonwil> is that ARM Mali?
Nov 23 23:57:55 <jonwil> or is that something different?>
Nov 23 23:58:25 <DocScrutinizer> the schematics say "CC-BY-NC-SA"
Nov 23 23:58:50 <luke-jr> would be nice to have something GPL-friendly, oh well
Nov 23 23:58:59 <luke-jr> CC-NC at the very least is non-free
Nov 23 23:59:03 <luke-jr> kinda defeats the purpose
Nov 23 23:59:05 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: btw I'd say there's no such thing like 3D drivers for ARM
Nov 23 23:59:16 <luke-jr> I'd argue CC-BY is non-free too fwiw
Nov 23 23:59:26 <SpeedEvil> GPL doesn't make sense for documents in many cases.
Nov 23 23:59:44 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: this is no more or less a document than any software, IMO
Nov 24 00:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: so what? take it or leave it
Nov 24 00:00:16 <luke-jr> pfft, 800 MHz Cortex A8? that's so 2009
Nov 24 00:00:59 <DocScrutinizer> sorry we didn't pay the stamps to send you schematics of 2014's top notch schematics printouts
Nov 24 00:01:25 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: tech has been 1 GB RAM + dual core ARM for at least a year now :p
Nov 24 00:01:34 <DocScrutinizer> so what?
Nov 24 00:02:38 <DocScrutinizer> you're welcome to send over a few mio$ to design free hw with tomorrow's SoC for your convenience
Nov 24 00:02:50 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: design by small team is not fast.
Nov 24 00:02:52 <Jooles_> 3d is 3d
Nov 24 00:02:55 <luke-jr> :P
Nov 24 00:03:41 <DocScrutinizer> this device been designed and built by basically 3 guys, one of them paying the whole enterprise from his pocket
Nov 24 00:04:17 <DocScrutinizer> please go to the relevant chan and pester him why he couldn'T get tomorrow's SoC last year when this started
Nov 24 00:04:51 <DocScrutinizer> meh, I wonder why I bothered to point you at it
Nov 24 00:05:23 <DocScrutinizer> go get a fscking motorola device
Nov 24 00:05:39 <luke-jr> might make a good phone, but unforunately not for me I think
Nov 24 00:05:44 <DocScrutinizer> maybe they even tell you what SoC they use
Nov 24 00:06:05 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: just ignore him
Nov 24 00:06:09 <luke-jr> j/s
Nov 24 00:08:22 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: btw, fool, you got DATASHEETS available for general public, for your ACME dualcore-1GHz SoC???
Nov 24 00:09:17 <chem|st> ~trout DocScrutinizer 
Nov 24 00:09:18 * infobot slaps DocScrutinizer around a bit with a large trout!
Nov 24 00:09:31 * DocScrutinizer envisions luke-jr bitch about "sooo nice hw, but couldn't those idiots use sth that is documented?"
Nov 24 00:09:34 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: no need to take it so personal. I'm not interested in phones, never have been.
Nov 24 00:11:23 <Jooles_> Now an ACME SoC would be *awesome* :)
Nov 24 00:16:36 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (small team not fast) feels to me as if they've been performing way better than my beloved 20-heads EE team in TPE
Nov 24 00:17:21 <Jooles_> sounds about right :)
Nov 24 00:17:22 <DocScrutinizer> and we don't have the sourcing of FIC to get us the SoCs and stuff here
Nov 24 00:18:03 <Jooles_> No power in the 'verse can stop a small determined team
Nov 24 00:18:24 <DocScrutinizer> aye Sir
Nov 24 00:23:03 <SpeedEvil> ^with adequate funds.
Nov 24 00:25:44 <Jooles_> funds not that necessary. chips can be obtained for free with enough effort
Nov 24 00:26:50 <Jooles_> some are harder than others but it's all possible
Nov 24 00:27:13 * jonwil suspects the hardest part to get for a cellphone is the cellular radio stuff
Nov 24 00:27:54 <jonwil> seems like most people that make those dont want to even talk to you unless you are going to order <big quantity>
Nov 24 00:27:56 <wmarone> not really, if you're willing to tolerate gprs and no flexibility in the size :)
Nov 24 00:29:14 <jonwil> yeah 3G is where its hard
Nov 24 00:30:33 <Jooles_> it's also the only code you have to write yourself. Even with android, the telephony stack is totally closed and proprietary
Nov 24 00:31:36 * jonwil points at ofono :P
Nov 24 00:32:20 <Jooles_> whassat?
Nov 24 00:32:37 <Jooles_> open source mobile telephony stack?
Nov 24 00:33:35 <jonwil> yep
Nov 24 00:34:06 <Jooles_> nice :)
Nov 24 00:38:14 * jonwil just figured out the interface to yet another of the closed-source libraries on hte N900
Nov 24 00:38:20 <jonwil> This time its libossoproductinfo :)
Nov 24 00:39:26 <jonwil> if I could be bothered powering up my linux box and grabbing the x86 binary, I could figure out more about what it does too :P
Nov 24 00:44:42 <Jooles_> right, I gotta sleep. Later all :)
Nov 24 00:48:42 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 24 01:26:52 * jonwil wishes he knew how nokia decided which bits of hildon-input-method to open source and which bits to keep closed.
Nov 24 01:28:17 <luke-jr> if it's useful, they kept it closed.
Nov 24 01:29:18 <jonwil> actually that's not true, there is a lot of good info in the open bits
Nov 24 01:29:30 <jonwil> info that is helping me reverse engineer the closed bits
Nov 24 01:39:39 <LaoLang_cool> If there are apps running, then close a app will lead to dashboard, can I set it to go to desktop instead?
Nov 24 01:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> not afaik, would be a nice improvement request for CSSU MHD though
Nov 24 01:58:28 <DocScrutinizer> actually I'm also missing a hotkey to go to desktop - at very least from appswitcher/dashboard
Nov 24 01:59:04 <LaoLang_cool> ok
Nov 24 01:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> plus another one to go to appstarter/appmenu
Nov 24 01:59:33 <LaoLang_cool> Another question: how to get the built-in avatar's pngs? where are they on n900?
Nov 24 02:00:17 <DocScrutinizer> then some generic "cursor" movement incl a method to highlight where the "cursor" sits, to navigate thru the appstarter icons and finally select and start an app with <enter>
Nov 24 02:00:49 <DocScrutinizer> errr,  no idea
Nov 24 02:01:10 <DocScrutinizer> what do you want to do with that phantom head?
Nov 24 02:18:37 <luke-jr> >>> Installing (65 of 243) dev-lang/perl-5.12.4-r1
Nov 24 02:37:32 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer: I want to copy it and use it :)
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