**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Nov 25 02:59:57 2011
Nov 25 06:01:04 <slonopotamus> cxl000, err, Y
Nov 25 08:03:44 * ShadowJK just saw a Nokia 700 (Belle)
Nov 25 08:03:55 <SpeedEvil> Woo!
Nov 25 08:04:16 <ShadowJK> I find it hard to believe people can actually use those
Nov 25 08:04:37 <ShadowJK> nail doesn't work on on screen keyboard, and thumb covers like a quarter of the keyboard, so it's kinda random what you hit
Nov 25 08:04:56 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Nov 25 08:05:15 * SpeedEvil wonders about conductive nail-polish.
Nov 25 08:06:05 <ShadowJK> Also it has the "omg messy" impression of symbian :)
Nov 25 08:06:25 <ShadowJK> but that's mostly due to shitload of preinstalled apps, all of ovi store preinstalled I think
Nov 25 08:07:13 * SpeedEvil imagines android installing all of android store.
Nov 25 08:07:39 <SpeedEvil> Several terabytes of flash, and it'll max out gigE with the malware.
Nov 25 08:07:48 * ShadowJK wonders where the podcast app from Symbian 3rdedfp2 has vanished
Nov 25 08:07:58 <ShadowJK> it was quite nice
Nov 25 08:27:04 <vi___> wait I don't get it
Nov 25 08:27:12 <vi___> I thought symbian was burning?
Nov 25 08:42:01 <ShadowJK> yes?
Nov 25 09:32:02 <jargon-> i still cannot download the CSSU update to my n900. anybody else with this problem or a fix?
Nov 25 09:32:50 <psycho_oreos> what error does it produce? requires you to use PC-Suite to update?
Nov 25 09:33:53 <jargon-> it doesn't ask for the pc-suite. let me try again so i can get the exact error and post it in here
Nov 25 09:34:34 <psycho_oreos> if its more than three lines, use pastebin... don't paste it directly in here
Nov 25 09:35:58 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: the error: "Download von 'Maemo 5 Community SSU Package' fehlgeschlagen. Erneut versuchen? <Ja>/<Nein>"
Nov 25 09:36:28 <jargon-> in english: "Download of 'Maemo 5 CSSU' failed. Try again? <Yes>/<No>"
Nov 25 09:36:32 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, ok that's German, and I know very little German.. let me guess its failed
Nov 25 09:36:34 <psycho_oreos> ahh
Nov 25 09:36:46 <jargon-> that's all i keep getting. since it was available for updating
Nov 25 09:37:01 <psycho_oreos> hmm that's not very verbose, try checking the log if your HAM has that option
Nov 25 09:37:08 <jargon-> it keeps failing at 36KB
Nov 25 09:37:21 <jargon-> do u know where i can find the logs?
Nov 25 09:37:54 <psycho_oreos> not in the filesystem but HAM itself does have a log viewer.. maybe not enabled by default though
Nov 25 09:37:58 <jargon-> wait,i think i found them
Nov 25 09:42:30 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: i've pasted the logs: http://dpaste.org/dp6bO/
Nov 25 09:42:46 <jargon-> i've also not been able to refresh the nokia repos, lately.
Nov 25 09:43:28 <psycho_oreos> yeah don't worry about nokia repos pubkey, its an issue that has been trolling tmo threads for quite sometime
Nov 25 09:43:59 <jargon-> ok
Nov 25 09:46:55 <jargon-> trying with 3G
Nov 25 09:50:35 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, are you able to paste this log on some other pastebin site? I cannot access dpaste.org
Nov 25 09:51:27 <jargon-> failed on 3g with the same error. i'll paste on a different pastebin
Nov 25 09:52:32 <psycho_oreos> ta, that would be useful
Nov 25 09:56:56 <jargon-> http://pastebin.ca/2095720
Nov 25 09:59:54 <psycho_oreos> looks like the lines 14, 22, 30, etc are showing up the exact result, maybe the proxy is not working or you needed to specify one hmm
Nov 25 10:01:17 <jargon-> that's the weird thing. i don't see anything about that in my proxy logs. and it also fails with 3g which doesn't use our proxy
Nov 25 10:02:20 <psycho_oreos> so the log is from you using 3G right?
Nov 25 10:02:53 * jonwil would like to shoot the idiot that decided to hard-code the list of hardware keyboards on the N900 in a closed source hard-to-clone binary...
Nov 25 10:03:41 * SpeedEvil sighs.
Nov 25 10:03:45 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: no the log is for wlan
Nov 25 10:03:50 <SpeedEvil> Probably harmattan too.
Nov 25 10:04:00 <SpeedEvil> Which is where it's more important - as no hwkbd
Nov 25 10:04:57 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: i just checked. the logs are the same for 3g
Nov 25 10:04:58 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, so using the log from wlan, you have proxy server on the network? if that's the case then you should configure N900 to go through proxy server
Nov 25 10:05:04 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, hmm weird
Nov 25 10:05:32 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: the proxy on our lan is transparent. and the previous CSSU was no problem
Nov 25 10:06:26 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, ahh so you have CSSU installed already, if that's the case you may want to give FAM a whirl
Nov 25 10:07:32 <jonwil> At least on Harmattan the keyboard layouts are xml
Nov 25 10:07:38 <jonwil> and can be easily edited
Nov 25 10:08:17 <psycho_oreos> no hwkbd == huge fail imo.. and that's what made lankku
Nov 25 10:08:43 <jonwil> lack of hwkbd is why I dont want a N9
Nov 25 10:09:32 <psycho_oreos> and I've already started loathing the N9, full of fail as Flop demanded
Nov 25 10:10:06 <SpeedEvil> No hwkbd isn't inherent fail.
Nov 25 10:10:19 <SpeedEvil> It depends on your usecase.
Nov 25 10:10:52 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, say that when you don't own a N950 and your only option is to get a N9 :þ
Nov 25 10:12:12 <jonwil> As for harmattan, I think http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/harmattan-beta3/free/m/meego-keyboard/ shows that the situation is much better
Nov 25 10:12:22 <jonwil> Seems like the keyboard stuff is open source on that platform
Nov 25 10:12:35 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: Ah.
Nov 25 10:12:37 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: what's FAM?
Nov 25 10:12:56 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: But I'm unsure about BT keyboards - the most important usecase.
Nov 25 10:13:14 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, faster application manager, also known as fapman
Nov 25 10:13:28 <SpeedEvil> psycho_oreos: Me not getting a n9 (assuming I had cash) would not be due to lack of hwkbd.
Nov 25 10:13:38 <jonwil> My guess is that all the actual bits for listening to key presses and responding to them are open source
Nov 25 10:14:00 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: interesting name. i'll try that.
Nov 25 10:14:02 <jonwil> so if you had a bluetooth kbd there is no reason you couldnt write backend glue to pass the BT KBD keypresses to the userspace
Nov 25 10:14:06 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: But you can't load the bluetooth module bits.
Nov 25 10:14:13 <jonwil> hmmm, good point
Nov 25 10:14:16 <jonwil> forgot about ageis
Nov 25 10:14:21 <psycho_oreos> SpeedEvil, or that you couldn't even pair a bluetooth keyboard on N9?　:)
Nov 25 10:14:29 <jonwil> so does the n9 kernel not have bluetooth HID support
Nov 25 10:14:35 <jonwil> thats what I am assuming then
Nov 25 10:14:39 <jonwil> which is totally lame
Nov 25 10:14:46 <psycho_oreos> its probably blocked by aegis
Nov 25 10:14:54 <jonwil> Why would Nokia not want to support BT keyboards on the N9 anyway
Nov 25 10:15:03 <psycho_oreos> you can't even copy and paste lines in terminal on N9.. which is even more lame
Nov 25 10:15:16 <jonwil> Or is that another part of the plan to cripple anything that is not Microshit?
Nov 25 10:15:23 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: It's not that - it's that if it's not specified at design time, it gets left out.
Nov 25 10:15:42 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: And being left out in this case - with aegis - can mean it's really hard to fix.
Nov 25 10:15:56 <psycho_oreos> and they have all these firmware updates which fails to fix that bluetooth keyboard tethering issue yet to no avail.. 
Nov 25 10:16:03 <SpeedEvil> I do note that there have been claims that it should 'just work' if you replace the kernel.
Nov 25 10:16:14 <SpeedEvil> But this wasn't jacekowski's experience, as aegisfs went RO.
Nov 25 10:16:15 <psycho_oreos> no its more like nokia deliberately left it out
Nov 25 10:16:29 <jonwil> if we can install our own kernel on the N9, cant we install one that lies to the userspace layer and pretends that everything is fine?
Nov 25 10:19:02 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: ?
Nov 25 10:19:09 <jacekowski> i don't have any phone with aegis
Nov 25 10:19:11 <vi___> n9 == industrial grade fail.
Nov 25 10:19:18 <SpeedEvil> err
Nov 25 10:19:21 <jonwil> and then we replace userspace blobs as necessary with other blobs that again lie to the rest of the system
Nov 25 10:19:27 * SpeedEvil becomes confused.
Nov 25 10:19:35 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: It was clearly your evil twin.
Nov 25 10:19:37 <SpeedEvil> Ah
Nov 25 10:19:43 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK, I think I meant.
Nov 25 10:21:12 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: fapman can't seem to get passed the nokia repo errors
Nov 25 10:21:36 <jargon-> i click on 'Update catalogs' and 'Upgrade applications'
Nov 25 10:21:40 <vi___> just drop to xterm and take it from there...
Nov 25 10:21:41 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, weird, try disabling those nokia repos momentarily
Nov 25 10:21:57 <vi___> then we will get an error message.
Nov 25 10:22:25 <vi___> jargon-: can you ssh into your n900?
Nov 25 10:23:03 <jargon-> vi___: yes 
Nov 25 10:23:59 <vi___> then ssh in, apt-get update, paste result.
Nov 25 10:24:12 <vi___> (in pastebin)
Nov 25 10:26:51 <jargon-> vi___: no errors after commenting out the nokia repos in sources.list.d/hild..lst but still getting error in fapman
Nov 25 10:27:03 <jargon-> is there a way to update the CSSU in terminal?
Nov 25 10:30:35 <SpeedEvil> Free Pi!
Nov 25 10:30:39 <SpeedEvil> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/369
Nov 25 10:30:46 <SpeedEvil> (for Qt dev)
Nov 25 10:31:18 <jargon-> Maemo-extras devel fails too
Nov 25 10:34:58 <psycho_oreos> that sounds like issues with connectivity imo
Nov 25 10:35:17 <psycho_oreos> are you able to try other methods of networking? like USB networking or bluetooth networking?
Nov 25 10:36:45 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: apt-get upgrade is actually trying to DOWNGRADE :-/
Nov 25 10:36:53 <jargon-> http://pastebin.ca/2095740
Nov 25 10:38:06 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, I personally would never go down the upgrade path, let alone dist-upgrade
Nov 25 10:39:15 <jargon-> so what do i do?
Nov 25 10:39:42 <psycho_oreos> try what I said, use alternative methods of connecting to internet, i.e. via USB networking or bluetooth
Nov 25 10:40:11 <SpeedEvil> Smoke-signals.
Nov 25 10:40:46 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: looking into USB now
Nov 25 10:40:53 <jargon-> will let u know how it goes
Nov 25 10:41:15 <vi___> apt-get UPDATE ffs
Nov 25 10:41:27 <vi___> dont use apt-get upgrade on the n900
Nov 25 10:41:45 <psycho_oreos> yeah I've told him to avoid that
Nov 25 10:42:01 <vi___> do apt-get update and post to pastebin
Nov 25 10:42:15 <vi___> actually apt-get install pastebinit
Nov 25 10:42:22 <vi___> then:
Nov 25 10:42:41 <jargon-> vi___: i did apt-get update and it showed no errors
Nov 25 10:43:04 <vi___> apt-get update > /opt/tmp && pastebinit /opt/tmp
Nov 25 10:43:24 <jargon-> 11:24:15 < jargon-> vi___: no errors after commenting out the nokia repos in sources.list.d/hild..lst but still getting error in fapman
Nov 25 10:44:42 <vi___> the best way to fix fapman is to delete all repos from fapman, update in HAM.  If all goes well, tell fapman to re-import catalogues then update fapman again.
Nov 25 10:48:11 <jargon-> vi___: trying that now
Nov 25 10:48:22 <jargon-> HAM update failed
Nov 25 10:48:45 <vi___> so, ham update fails and apt-get update passes?
Nov 25 10:48:54 <jargon-> yes
Nov 25 10:49:06 <jargon-> wait hold on
Nov 25 10:49:38 <jargon-> i just noticed commenting out repos in terminal is ignored by HAM. had to deactivate them again in HAM itself
Nov 25 10:49:41 <jargon-> trying again
Nov 25 10:50:01 <vi___> derp
Nov 25 10:50:11 <vi___> ham does not use sources.list properly
Nov 25 10:50:22 <jargon-> so it seems
Nov 25 10:52:28 <jargon-> ok i deactivated the nokia and ovi repos. updated HAM and now it no longer lists CSSU as available for updating
Nov 25 10:53:02 <vi___> So what wierd out of repo shit have you been installing?
Nov 25 10:53:33 <jargon-> oddly enough, maemo-extras devel now updates fine
Nov 25 10:54:08 <jargon-> wow this is weird. hang on
Nov 25 10:54:27 <jargon-> i think it's seeing the CSSU update as available
Nov 25 10:54:32 <psycho_oreos> I am still betting on connectivity issue
Nov 25 10:54:56 <vi___> Il bet it was this
Nov 25 10:55:03 <vi___> ~seen x-fade
Nov 25 10:55:06 <vi___> ~seen xfade
Nov 25 10:55:09 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (11h 33m 4s) #harmattan (11h 33m 4s) #meego (11h 33m 4s), last said: 'I want it as much as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)'.
Nov 25 10:55:10 <infobot> xfade <~xfade@217.67.237.13> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 616d 19h 53m 58s ago, saying: 'lcuk: Can you vote onedotzero down in the qa queue? The app will obviously not be promoted to extras as the bugtracker link is missing.'.
Nov 25 10:55:19 <vi___> last said: 'I want it as much
Nov 25 10:55:22 <vi___>                  as anyone, but we need to prevent dependency hell :)
Nov 25 10:55:38 <jargon-> what's xfade?
Nov 25 10:55:52 <psycho_oreos> a user
Nov 25 10:55:53 <Sicelo> heh
Nov 25 10:55:58 <jargon-> oh
Nov 25 10:56:00 <vi___> xfade is the shadowy under figure behind this whole seedy crime syndicate
Nov 25 10:56:10 <vi___> he pulls the strings
Nov 25 10:56:22 <vi___> masquerades the subtletys
Nov 25 10:56:27 <jargon-> is he dangerous?
Nov 25 10:56:32 <lardman> very
Nov 25 10:56:39 <lardman> the tall ones often are
Nov 25 10:56:45 <vi___> and generally steers the destiny of maemo as only has grand master plan would have it
Nov 25 10:57:11 <jargon-> ok ham's seeing the CSSU and *now* it wants me to do the update via PC Suite....weirdness++
Nov 25 10:57:14 <vi___> He rarely interferes in the actiuons of mortal 'user' men.
Nov 25 10:57:55 <psycho_oreos> jargon-, its dependency error
Nov 25 10:58:12 <psycho_oreos> check problems/errors tab
Nov 25 10:58:29 <vi___> jargon-: you are getting close...
Nov 25 10:59:37 <jargon-> i can even feel my nipples tingling,so i *must* be getting close
Nov 25 11:01:49 <jargon-> or not...
Nov 25 11:01:51 <jargon-> hmm
Nov 25 11:03:23 <jargon-> so how do i know whether or not i'm in pc-suite mode?
Nov 25 11:04:01 <psycho_oreos> you don't need pc-suite to update CSSU, if you require pc-suite to update CSSU, you have dependency issue
Nov 25 11:05:13 <jargon-> damnit
Nov 25 11:06:06 <jargon-> how do i find out which dependencies are the issue?
Nov 25 11:06:53 <psycho_oreos> I've pointed that too out above.. check problems/errors tab
Nov 25 11:07:18 <jargon-> what problems/errors tab?'
Nov 25 11:08:11 <psycho_oreos> under HAM when you click on the package, you go into Details and you should see all these tabs for the Application details
Nov 25 11:08:34 <jargon-> aah that one. ok
Nov 25 11:10:02 <jargon-> trying fapman and it's talking about pinned pkgs
Nov 25 11:10:23 <jargon-> i did pin pkgs a while ago...
Nov 25 11:11:08 <jargon-> can't remember which ones and why, though
Nov 25 11:14:14 <jargon-> i think this is what i pinned: http://pastebin.ca/2095791
Nov 25 11:14:16 <jargon-> 1..2..3
Nov 25 11:14:27 <psycho_oreos> ugh, seriously this pisses me off, I wonder what exactly is preventing the device go into bootmenu, its definitely hardware issue but I wouldn't know exactly what
Nov 25 11:15:07 <jargon-> bootmenu?
Nov 25 11:15:46 <psycho_oreos> lines 10-12 of that pastebin would probably be the reason why it would prevent CSSU from updating
Nov 25 11:16:14 <psycho_oreos> fanoush's bootmenu, its used by backupmenu by robbiethe1st for instance
Nov 25 11:16:26 <psycho_oreos> now typing that out I might have an idea
Nov 25 11:17:52 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: i'm trying to remember why i pinned them. i know it was related to adding the maemo-extras devel repo,but i can't remember what i installed from that repo
Nov 25 11:27:01 <vi___> cat /etc/apt/preferances
Nov 25 11:27:14 <vi___> cat /etc/apt/preferences
Nov 25 11:28:01 <jargon-> Package: *
Nov 25 11:28:02 <jargon-> Pin: release l=Extras
Nov 25 11:28:03 <jargon-> Pin-Priority: 1001
Nov 25 11:28:30 <jargon-> so pin everything in extras? is that what it says?
Nov 25 11:28:40 <vi___> lolwut
Nov 25 11:28:48 <vi___> is that is what is in preferences?
Nov 25 11:29:03 <jargon-> yeah
Nov 25 11:29:08 <psycho_oreos> that only applies for extras-devel :þ
Nov 25 11:29:15 <vi___> you wanted to downgrade from dev-extras to stable?
Nov 25 11:29:16 <jargon-> i remember following instructions from the wiki
Nov 25 11:29:46 <jargon-> no,i needed extras-devel for a pkg,recently. can't remember which one, tho
Nov 25 11:30:00 <jargon-> so i'm looking thru the pkgs trying to figure out which one it was
Nov 25 11:30:35 <vi___> rm /etc/preferences
Nov 25 11:30:41 <vi___> then try everything again
Nov 25 11:30:49 <vi___> extras-dev is fine
Nov 25 11:31:02 <vi___> we just say it will assplode your device to frighten the noobz away
Nov 25 11:31:05 <jargon-> ok
Nov 25 11:31:17 <jargon-> worked for me. frighten the poop out of me
Nov 25 11:31:34 <vi___> the very fact you are modifying preferences implies you have a little more savvy
Nov 25 11:32:04 <vi___> Although there is some badly made stuff in there that will make your n900 go bananas it is pretty uncommon
Nov 25 11:32:19 <jargon-> i'm new around smartphones,so i'm treading very carefully
Nov 25 11:32:28 <vi___> and if there is a rogue application, you will probably hear about it through word of mouth.
Nov 25 11:32:37 <vi___> Are you new to linux?
Nov 25 11:32:40 <psycho_oreos> this is why backups are very important, and having backupmenu is literally a godsend for almost everything
Nov 25 11:32:48 <jargon-> no not new to linux
Nov 25 11:33:13 <vi___> phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone
Nov 25 11:33:25 <vi___> s/>/<
Nov 25 11:33:31 <vi___> /s/>/<
Nov 25 11:33:35 <vi___> /s/>/</
Nov 25 11:33:37 <vi___> s/>/</
Nov 25 11:33:37 <infobot> vi___ meant: /s/</</
Nov 25 11:33:40 <psycho_oreos> lol
Nov 25 11:33:41 <vi___> BAH
Nov 25 11:33:41 <Sicelo> P
Nov 25 11:33:51 <vi___> phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone
Nov 25 11:33:52 <psycho_oreos> pebkac
Nov 25 11:33:55 <vi___> phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone
Nov 25 11:33:59 <vi___> s/>/</
Nov 25 11:33:59 <infobot> vi___ meant: phone<mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone
Nov 25 11:34:12 <psycho_oreos> !cookie
Nov 25 11:34:14 <vi___> f'it
Nov 25 11:34:14 <jargon-> gimme a minute. almost accidentally castrated myself. suboptimal boxers and bad seating posture conspire to put me in a world of excruciating and wholly unnecessary pain
Nov 25 11:34:27 <psycho_oreos> phone>mobile phone>smart phone>linux phone
Nov 25 11:34:35 <psycho_oreos> s/>/</g
Nov 25 11:34:36 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: phone<mobile phone<smart phone<linux phone
Nov 25 11:34:39 <vi___> the point is this is not a smart phone
Nov 25 11:34:47 <vi___> in fact as a phone it is pretty lousy
Nov 25 11:35:08 <jargon-> damnit. it's still asking for pc-suite
Nov 25 11:35:45 <jargon-> and it's now listing a bunch of other apps for updating. since i remove /etc/apt/preferences, i guess
Nov 25 11:36:00 <psycho_oreos> !botsnack
Nov 25 11:36:13 <psycho_oreos> ~botsnack
Nov 25 11:36:14 <infobot> :), psycho_oreos
Nov 25 11:36:51 <vi___> ok
Nov 25 11:36:55 <vi___> go back to HAM
Nov 25 11:37:00 <vi___> re-enable all the repos
Nov 25 11:37:02 <vi___> update
Nov 25 11:37:05 <vi___> the upgrade
Nov 25 11:37:12 <vi___> (all through HAM)
Nov 25 11:37:42 <jargon-> ok
Nov 25 11:37:49 <vi___> You have a backup right?
Nov 25 11:37:55 <jargon-> two
Nov 25 11:37:59 <vi___> Godd job
Nov 25 11:38:07 <vi___> s/godd/good/
Nov 25 11:38:24 <vi___> ffs
Nov 25 11:38:31 <psycho_oreos> s/Godd/Good/
Nov 25 11:38:39 <psycho_oreos> too bad its per user regexp
Nov 25 11:38:53 <vi___> I always liked gim select all
Nov 25 11:39:03 <vi___> :ggVG
Nov 25 11:39:10 <vi___> :go go VIM go!
Nov 25 11:39:37 <vi___> CHrist my typing is awful right now.
Nov 25 11:41:11 <vi___> psycho_oreos: did you install kernel poer 49 yet?
Nov 25 11:41:24 <vi___> s/poer/power/
Nov 25 11:41:24 <infobot> vi___ meant: psycho_oreos: did you install kernel power 49 yet?
Nov 25 11:41:41 <jargon-> nokia repos still failing and it's still asking for pc-suite
Nov 25 11:41:43 <psycho_oreos> vi___, I have on all three of my N900
Nov 25 11:41:56 <vi___> uboot?
Nov 25 11:42:16 <psycho_oreos> no, just stock bootloader with fanoush bootmenu
Nov 25 11:42:33 <vi___> jargon-: think very carefully, what else apt wise have you buggered around with?
Nov 25 11:42:54 <vi___> also just disable nokia repo
Nov 25 11:43:00 <vi___> it is full of fail
Nov 25 11:43:07 <vi___> the update
Nov 25 11:43:28 <vi___> have you enabled smart reflex@900MHz yet?
Nov 25 11:43:47 <jargon-> i'm trying hard to remember. the only thing i can come up with is the pinning. but i can't remember what i pinned it for
Nov 25 11:44:12 <psycho_oreos> grr...
Nov 25 11:44:14 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, ping
Nov 25 11:44:30 <vi___> psycho, oh.  You are one of them.
Nov 25 11:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: pong
Nov 25 11:45:46 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, do you happen to know if GPIO pins are documented on the schematics? or at least a way to fix this keyboard slider issue?
Nov 25 11:46:09 <psycho_oreos> I've long last found the culprit on this third N900
Nov 25 11:46:12 <DocScrutinizer> GPIOs documented? in which way?
Nov 25 11:46:25 <psycho_oreos> vi___, you meant not a fan of uboots and what not? ;)
Nov 25 11:46:40 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, like maybe the way they are to be wired
Nov 25 11:46:50 <vi___> psycho_oreos: no, an overclocking h8ter.
Nov 25 11:47:12 <psycho_oreos> dunno how to best phrase it because my third N900 is definitely not picking up keyboard slides
Nov 25 11:47:21 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: sorry you lost me. Sure all "wires" to "GPIOs" are documented in schematics
Nov 25 11:47:36 <vi___> psycho_oreos: the physical contacts could possibly be worn out
Nov 25 11:47:41 <psycho_oreos> vi___, not that I hate overclocking but on embedded devices like these I'm against it without adequate ventilation on the device
Nov 25 11:48:00 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, hmm guess I'll have to dig it up and research myself
Nov 25 11:48:16 <psycho_oreos> vi___, yeah but not sure where I'd start, I guess schematics is the only way to go
Nov 25 11:48:25 <DocScrutinizer> what do you wanna know?
Nov 25 11:48:40 <vi___> The keyboard slide is just a pair of springs that contact on the PCB when the KB is open
Nov 25 11:48:42 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, to put it simply, my third N900 doesn't detect keyboard sliding in and out.. that prevents me from loading up backupmenu which is a real PITA
Nov 25 11:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: BS
Nov 25 11:49:14 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: orly, well I guess I cannot remember then
Nov 25 11:49:17 <psycho_oreos> and I'm trying to see if I could fix it or get someone to fix it
Nov 25 11:49:36 <DocScrutinizer> on N900 the kbd slide is a reed or hall
Nov 25 11:49:41 <psycho_oreos> I've narrowed it down to GPIO 71 being not outputting anything
Nov 25 11:50:10 <psycho_oreos> hmm now that confuses me lol.. ok time to dig up schematics
Nov 25 11:50:26 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: check if the magnet is still there on screen half
Nov 25 11:51:05 <DocScrutinizer> I heard of at least 2 cases where it got loose
Nov 25 11:51:46 <vi___> seach google for a file called:
Nov 25 11:51:48 <DocScrutinizer> it should be next to I,O keys of kbd iirc
Nov 25 11:51:50 <vi___> N900_RX-51_SM_L3_4.pdf
Nov 25 11:51:53 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, and this is without taking the N900 apart in any way shape or form right? out of curiousity because I definitely cannot see it
Nov 25 11:51:57 <psycho_oreos> ahh!
Nov 25 11:52:02 <vi___> it is the l3-4 service manual.
Nov 25 11:52:04 <psycho_oreos> vi___, yeah I got those
Nov 25 11:52:38 <DocScrutinizer> and L3_4 doesn't have schematics
Nov 25 11:52:58 <psycho_oreos> hmm I still can't see the magnet on any of my N900
Nov 25 11:53:09 <psycho_oreos> not on the keyboard
Nov 25 11:53:27 <DocScrutinizer> you can't see it as it's permamnently covered by the kbd half
Nov 25 11:53:29 <vi___> service manual says 'check state change from R4809 by using external magnet"
Nov 25 11:53:53 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Nov 25 11:53:57 <DocScrutinizer> god asvice
Nov 25 11:53:58 <vi___> so go at it with a giant magnet and see if it does anything.
Nov 25 11:53:59 <psycho_oreos> ok so I'll have to open the N900
Nov 25 11:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> advice
Nov 25 11:54:09 <vi___> Do the magnet thing first.
Nov 25 11:54:12 <psycho_oreos> would a fridge magnet help?
Nov 25 11:54:22 <DocScrutinizer> no
Nov 25 11:54:29 <vi___> psycho_oreos: somthing beefier
Nov 25 11:54:40 <vi___> old hard drive magnet etc
Nov 25 11:54:43 <psycho_oreos> crap.. I don't think I have any other magnets
Nov 25 11:54:50 <vi___> old speaker magnet?
Nov 25 11:55:09 <psycho_oreos> hmm, I might have old speaker magnet somewhere
Nov 25 11:55:20 <vi___> battery+coil+metal rod?
Nov 25 11:55:45 <DocScrutinizer> whiteboard magned, right lower corner of closed screen -> backlight comes up
Nov 25 11:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> magnet
Nov 25 11:57:03 <vi___> lol magnets, how do they work?
Nov 25 11:57:30 <psycho_oreos> found old speaker magnet that was stuck on a fridge, hopefully that should be adequate
Nov 25 11:57:47 <vi___> do it, I am on the sedge of myt seat
Nov 25 11:57:54 <DocScrutinizer> aaah you call this fridge magnet
Nov 25 11:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 25 11:58:00 <psycho_oreos> no no
Nov 25 11:58:01 <psycho_oreos> lol
Nov 25 11:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> yes, I used  a fridge ,agnet and it worked
Nov 25 11:58:45 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: is there access to i2c through those pads under the battery?
Nov 25 11:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> a magnet thingy with a funny plastic hat that is used to "pin" papers to magnetic surfaces
Nov 25 11:59:15 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: hah, good call
Nov 25 11:59:33 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think so, but had to check thoroughly
Nov 25 12:00:43 <psycho_oreos> right lower corner of closed screen.. I tried that on of my N900, no response unless if have the magnet touching the screen :/
Nov 25 12:01:17 <vi___> psycho_oreos: so does the magnet do anything?
Nov 25 12:01:37 <psycho_oreos> vi___, it is actually working if I stuck it onto metal things lol
Nov 25 12:01:53 <vi___> ok, so your magnet swith thing is broken
Nov 25 12:02:12 <psycho_oreos> I'm starting to get the hint I think, it seems like there is a response from touching near the bottom right of the screen
Nov 25 12:02:24 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Nov 25 12:02:32 <psycho_oreos> and dmesg also now proves it as well
Nov 25 12:02:45 <vi___> what you could do is set the /sys entry for the keyboard to permanently open
Nov 25 12:02:50 <vi___> then chmod 444 it
Nov 25 12:03:08 <psycho_oreos> and that's well beyond my knowledge lol
Nov 25 12:03:10 <vi___> keyboard slide will do nothing however you can still lock/unlock the screen with the slider.
Nov 25 12:03:23 <vi___> psycho_oreos: nah, it is a 2 liner
Nov 25 12:03:47 <vi___> I have a similar thing that lets me use the camera button when the screen is locked.
Nov 25 12:04:04 <vi___> camera button long press == skip track
Nov 25 12:04:50 <vi___> works through lock screen by preventing OS from 'disabling' it by changing write permissions of the /sys/blah/blah/blah/camera_button_disable
Nov 25 12:05:00 <vi___> file
Nov 25 12:05:12 <vi___> You can do the same on yours
Nov 25 12:05:15 <Sicelo> seems to me it is as DocScrutinizer said. no magnet in your n900 psycho_oreos. not the 'magnet switch'
Nov 25 12:06:23 <psycho_oreos> Sicelo, heh had that also pointed out by vi___ as well, and he has a fix in order which I'm looking into right now :)
Nov 25 12:06:58 <Sicelo> guess i misunderstood him then :)
Nov 25 12:08:27 <psycho_oreos> vi___, its not gpio_switch is it?
Nov 25 12:09:26 <psycho_oreos> Sicelo, different way to tackling the case, whichever works I'm grateful for fix lol.. this third N900 gave me the shits and I should have realised earlier
Nov 25 12:10:30 <psycho_oreos>  /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/disable
Nov 25 12:11:03 <vi___> psycho_oreos: my suggestion will not enable BM for you...
Nov 25 12:11:32 <psycho_oreos> vi___, bah! guess its back to hardware fix :|
Nov 25 12:11:36 <vi___> However a very small modification to bootmenu.sh would make it check for camera cover slide instead of keyboard
Nov 25 12:11:58 <vi___> does your camera cover work?
Nov 25 12:12:00 <psycho_oreos> hmm I'll look into that
Nov 25 12:12:26 <psycho_oreos> yup it does
Nov 25 12:12:39 <psycho_oreos> GPIO 110 was logged
Nov 25 12:14:21 <vi___> http://pastebin.com/Ga0CX1Ea
Nov 25 12:14:29 <vi___> look at line 358
Nov 25 12:14:40 <vi___> it is /sbin/preinit
Nov 25 12:15:33 <vi___> change it to /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/cam_shutter/state
Nov 25 12:15:39 <psycho_oreos> ah ha! thanks!
Nov 25 12:15:56 <vi___> then BM will launch from shutter_slide
Nov 25 12:16:04 <vi___> (i assume)
Nov 25 12:16:21 <psycho_oreos> I can only test and hope :)
Nov 25 12:16:30 <psycho_oreos> installing vim now on my N900
Nov 25 12:17:20 <vi___> you don't have vim already???
Nov 25 12:17:25 <vi___> How do you live each day?
Nov 25 12:17:25 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: what's wrong with getting a small magnet and glue it to where it belongs, in screen half's back
Nov 25 12:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Nov 25 12:17:38 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: this is leass effort.
Nov 25 12:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: PFFFF
Nov 25 12:17:50 <vi___> Geeks are notorious for less effort.
Nov 25 12:18:21 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: although I agree with you.  I cannot stand things in a poor state of repair.
Nov 25 12:18:35 <vi___> It gives me hives.
Nov 25 12:18:39 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: btw your suggestion is mere BS, as BM is meant to pop up on **BOOT**
Nov 25 12:18:58 <vi___> wut?
Nov 25 12:19:02 <DocScrutinizer> soory
Nov 25 12:19:34 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-11-25 13:08:27] <vi___> psycho_oreos: my suggestion will not enable BM for you. <-- missed that
Nov 25 12:19:42 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, hmm nothing wrong though I guess I'll need to do that sooner or later.. you reminded me of requiring to somehow duct tape the screen portion of the case protector onto the device itself. Maybe I could get away with cutting a small slice off a fridge magnet and sticking that down there
Nov 25 12:20:23 <DocScrutinizer> probably
Nov 25 12:20:32 <vi___> Soooo, I2C under battery?
Nov 25 12:20:35 <psycho_oreos> either way I guess I'll need to open the N900 so might as well lol.. I've opened it once so I won't hesitate
Nov 25 12:21:00 <vi___> psycho_oreos: just do it when you are opening to solder USB down.
Nov 25 12:21:44 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: soooo, you got a needlebed tester for me? as otherwise no chance to check all possible permutations of 20 testpads vs 50 possible pins by hand in this amount of time
Nov 25 12:21:49 <psycho_oreos> vi___, I don't have proper soldering tools for that :/
Nov 25 12:22:53 <vi___> DocScrutinizer: Oh, I thought you would probably just ***know***
Nov 25 12:22:59 <vi___> meh
Nov 25 12:23:10 <vi___> psycho_oreos: all you need is a hot iron
Nov 25 12:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> to do what?
Nov 25 12:24:00 <vi___> I dunno, a compass or sonar or somthing wacky.
Nov 25 12:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> aaah solder USB down
Nov 25 12:24:28 <psycho_oreos> vi___, haha I'm not that confident :)
Nov 25 12:24:32 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, coffee not yet kicking in
Nov 25 12:24:48 <psycho_oreos> hmm I should really invest in a soldering/desoldering station :/
Nov 25 12:25:18 <vi___> psycho_oreos: yes.  Buy good, buy once, it will last you the rest of your life.
Nov 25 12:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: soldering one side of USB down to PCB snugly isn't witchcraft
Nov 25 12:25:39 <DocScrutinizer> but you should be experienced with soldering
Nov 25 12:25:57 <psycho_oreos> vi___, heh still money either way
Nov 25 12:26:09 <vi___> tools are weaponised money
Nov 25 12:26:13 <vi___> twice as good!
Nov 25 12:26:36 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, still something I need to learn amongst bazillion of other things :)
Nov 25 12:26:47 <DocScrutinizer> for USB all you need is a cheap crappy 5$ soldering iron
Nov 25 12:26:52 <psycho_oreos> vi___, and money doesn't come by easy these days
Nov 25 12:27:11 <DocScrutinizer> but do *not* try to do it when you got no experience!
Nov 25 12:27:53 <vi___> what is the sdcard slot driver called?
Nov 25 12:28:03 <vi___> blahblahblah.c
Nov 25 12:28:20 <DocScrutinizer> to learn soldering, you need a 30$ good standard soldering iron (Weller, Ersa) and tiiiiiime
Nov 25 12:28:23 <psycho_oreos> that's what I thought.. well at least with a proper soldering iron (maybe not a $5 one though) I could do some other things that I was meant to do but never got around to doing it.. so I'll do that and then I'll work on my N900 :)
Nov 25 12:28:56 <psycho_oreos> vi___, huge success with cam_shutter! big thanks!
Nov 25 12:29:03 <vi___> NP
Nov 25 12:29:06 <DocScrutinizer> and lots of protoboard PCB (the one with lots of holes and pads) to practice soldering plain wires to it
Nov 25 12:29:15 <psycho_oreos> bah
Nov 25 12:29:33 <psycho_oreos> time to raid local electronics shop me reckons ;)
Nov 25 12:29:36 <vi___> Just and click 'thanks' on every forum post I have ever made so people will continue to think I am an important voice.
Nov 25 12:30:00 <psycho_oreos> you have over 1000 posts, as if I'll go through all that :þ
Nov 25 12:30:08 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: get sth ~30W
Nov 25 12:30:14 <vi___> Why doesnt sarcasm work online?
Nov 25 12:30:24 <vi___> ~20 MINIMUM
Nov 25 12:30:28 <vi___> ~30 MINIMUM
Nov 25 12:30:35 <vi___> hotter the better
Nov 25 12:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> meh!
Nov 25 12:31:07 <DocScrutinizer> you definitely don'T want to use a 60W iron on delicate electronics
Nov 25 12:31:18 <vi___> yeah you do...
Nov 25 12:31:21 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, nah thinking about soldering/desoldering station which should provide all the nice tools and maybe even adjustable temp. though I'll check prices before laying money down.. at least if I solder incorrectly I could desolder it :D
Nov 25 12:31:23 <vi___> just stand further back.
Nov 25 12:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: a good one like that is 300$
Nov 25 12:31:54 <psycho_oreos> vi___, dunno, probably just tired from all the work this morning (in me timezone of course)
Nov 25 12:32:10 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, yeah I figured it'll be couple of hundred easily
Nov 25 12:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> so ten times the price of a good starter soldering iron
Nov 25 12:32:39 <SpeedEvil> A good for several uses one is about $120.
Nov 25 12:32:41 <DocScrutinizer> and you'll learn less
Nov 25 12:32:47 <SpeedEvil> Soldering station + hot air.
Nov 25 12:32:56 <SpeedEvil> Reliable enough if you don't use it much.
Nov 25 12:32:56 <psycho_oreos> but still it'll last me and if I make a mistake I can desolder (well at least I hope lol)
Nov 25 12:33:44 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: learn to desolder with braid, and vacuum pump for 5$ !
Nov 25 12:34:11 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, I dunno what that is but it sounds awfully hard lol
Nov 25 12:34:13 <kwtm> Hi. Wow, just discovered the /etc/mce/mce.ini file (on N900).  Lots of juicy settings here!
Nov 25 12:34:32 <kwtm> Thanks for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1126539#post1126539 , DocScrutinizer!
Nov 25 12:34:33 <DocScrutinizer> I promise for the first 1000+ solder joints you won't even bother desoldering anything
Nov 25 12:35:32 <DocScrutinizer> kwtm: there's a thanks-button over there ;-D
Nov 25 12:35:42 <DocScrutinizer> yw anyway
Nov 25 12:35:43 <kwtm> :) done
Nov 25 12:36:32 <psycho_oreos> bah only time will tell when I'll need some desoldering work ;)
Nov 25 12:37:03 <vi___> how did you get 3 n900 anyway?
Nov 25 12:37:04 <psycho_oreos> also thanks too for helping with solving this stupid keyboard slider issue.. in other words, thanks to both DocScrutinizer && vi___ 
Nov 25 12:37:38 <psycho_oreos> I bought them over time, the first N900 is through contract, the second was when I was in HK and the third one was off tmo
Nov 25 12:37:52 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: believe me you're better off learning desoldering the "hard way" by using cheap tools like desoldering braid and a fsckng-cheap one-shot vacuum pump (or simply blow the tin away like all pros do ;-D )
Nov 25 12:38:18 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, a flying shrapnel in my room == not nice :D
Nov 25 12:39:40 <DocScrutinizer> oooh, did I already mention you're not supposed to do soldering on your Biedermayer table or over your flokati ?
Nov 25 12:40:17 <vi___> heh
Nov 25 12:40:23 <DocScrutinizer> also you shouldn't try to solder when wearing your (nylon) best clothes, for the first 2 years ;-)
Nov 25 12:40:32 <vi___> I gotta get me another, I am down to 1.
Nov 25 12:40:47 <vi___> There is a guy selling one on gumtree in my city for£20...
Nov 25 12:41:05 <vi___> He says it is broken, however we all know this device is unbreakable,
Nov 25 12:41:17 <psycho_oreos> I had to google what those two words were lol.. meine deutsche ist nicht gut! ^^
Nov 25 12:41:19 <vi___> IS there some kind of stolem IMEI register I can look up?
Nov 25 12:41:32 <psycho_oreos> not really :/
Nov 25 12:41:37 <psycho_oreos> well not that I know of
Nov 25 12:41:45 <kwtm> for where it says in /etc/mce/mce.init,  "PowerKeyDoubleAction=..."   what is "softpoweroff" mode? Is that where screen turns off, but as soon as I touch it (or slide it open) it turns on again?  (Not sure if anyone can answer this off the top of his head or whether I need to post this to tmo)
Nov 25 12:42:04 <DocScrutinizer> err Biedermayer should be pretty international I thought
Nov 25 12:42:29 <vi___> AFAIK softpoweroff is not actually implemented...
Nov 25 12:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> for Flokati I'm not even sure it's anyway related to German at all
Nov 25 12:42:33 <psycho_oreos> well my vocabulary is pretty small then :D
Nov 25 12:42:39 <kwtm> vi___: Oh. :(
Nov 25 12:43:02 <bindi> i just pressed the powerbutton twice
Nov 25 12:43:05 <psycho_oreos> I thought those two were German and that's before I started googling
Nov 25 12:43:08 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: not common in english at least.
Nov 25 12:43:09 <bindi> locked the screen
Nov 25 12:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> if I got the spelling wrong: it's a long hairy carpet
Nov 25 12:43:14 <SpeedEvil> Biedermayer
Nov 25 12:43:45 <psycho_oreos> no spelling seems to be right, its a Turkish rug when I skimmed it through wikipedia
Nov 25 12:43:54 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, what are you using then for that epoch? Queen-blabla?
Nov 25 12:44:44 <DocScrutinizer> Luis-XX?
Nov 25 12:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
Nov 25 12:44:52 <vi___> kwtm: softpoweroff is basically offline mode.
Nov 25 12:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> I think you got it anyway :-D
Nov 25 12:46:03 <vi___> The question is, is soft poweroff just a script that is run or is it a hardcoded thing in mce?
Nov 25 12:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> the question is: why would anybody care to use it?
Nov 25 12:46:40 <vi___> A thing I have always wanted is to be able to lock/unlock with the power button.
Nov 25 12:46:48 <kwtm> vi___: I ask because I'm trying to make it so when I do a short press of the power key, the N900 enters a state where I can put it back in my pouch. Normally this is "tklock" mode, but apparently that's only an option for "double power key press" (not "short press"). However, the N900 is slow enough that usually it doesn't sense a double press: it misses the second press (must be that it starts swapping after the first press), so I 
Nov 25 12:46:49 <vi___> If it is a script I can hi-jack
Nov 25 12:46:49 <kwtm> have to wait forever just to lock the N900.
Nov 25 12:47:25 <DocScrutinizer> basically soft_poweroff == act_dead AFAIK
Nov 25 12:47:39 <kwtm> If softpoweroff is a feasible replacement for tklock, then that *is* an option for PowerKeyShortPress
Nov 25 12:47:56 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: How is that different from poweroff?  soft poweroff will restart when I slide open the keyboard?
Nov 25 12:48:13 <kwtm> Maybe I should just try it?
Nov 25 12:49:05 <DocScrutinizer> it is a different initstate afaik, much like act_dead aka "charging while off"
Nov 25 12:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> it will take quite some time to crank system up from that state
Nov 25 12:49:53 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Oh. :(
Nov 25 12:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> all just handwaving as I never actually tried it
Nov 25 12:50:12 <vi___> Interesting.  Is it a script or a hardcoded MCE thing?
Nov 25 12:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> so all this info is deduced from reading scripts and whatnot
Nov 25 12:50:26 <kwtm> I wonder why tklock is not an option for PowerKeyShortPress?  Too bad.
Nov 25 12:50:49 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Nov 25 12:50:54 <vi___> kwtm: because nokia HATE flexibility
Nov 25 12:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> the main reason why the relevant parts of mce are closed ;-P
Nov 25 12:51:56 <kwtm> bindi: Sorry, missed your comment there.  For me, PowerKeyDoublePress usually results in no response for 2 seconds, and then the menu pops up (as if I did PowerKeyShortPress).  Once the menu is up, then another PowerKeyDoublePress locks the device . :P
Nov 25 12:52:18 <bindi> works fine for me :<
Nov 25 12:53:02 <kwtm> bindi: Yeah.  I seem to have a lot of swapping going on.  Before I set the swappiness, it would even take about 4 seconds after the phone started ringing before it would switch to the phone screen where I could answer the call.
Nov 25 12:53:57 <kwtm> vi___: You're right. I can't believe how frustrating Nokia's design is.  Unfortunately there's nothing else like the N900 so I am forced to use it.
Nov 25 12:54:55 <DocScrutinizer> get a N9 - enjoy aegis! X-P
Nov 25 12:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> on N9 you have no issues with wondering how to exploit such hidden features
Nov 25 12:55:42 <DocScrutinizer> you simply can't - usually
Nov 25 12:56:34 <vi___> You need not worry about choice, 'cos you got none.
Nov 25 12:57:11 <kwtm> I'm glad Nokia opened *some* part of their phone (decision must've been made while CEO was on holiday and CTO was sick with the flu).   It's so funny that the people to do with that part (i.e. the Maemo community) are thriving in the face of an orphaned phone, while Nokia itself is sinking. :P
Nov 25 12:57:45 <vi___> Well there is a limited number of n900s left.
Nov 25 12:57:55 <vi___> And the population can only go one way...
Nov 25 12:58:14 <pigeon> is nokia messaging dead?
Nov 25 12:58:24 <Sicelo> yes
Nov 25 12:58:25 <vi___> dead as fuck
Nov 25 12:58:44 <pigeon> my existing setup still works, but i can't login or change anything.
Nov 25 12:59:00 <vi___> wait, do you mean nokia messaging OR nokia email?
Nov 25 12:59:14 <pigeon> nokia messaging, for push e-mail for n900
Nov 25 12:59:16 <fff> hi
Nov 25 12:59:28 <Sicelo> ovi mail still working. part of yahoo, iirc
Nov 25 12:59:29 <vi___> so noworkia email then
Nov 25 12:59:37 <kwtm> DocScrutinizer: Success!  My N900 is now showing charging LED even with screen open!  Thx.
Nov 25 12:59:38 <pigeon> hmm
Nov 25 12:59:48 <pigeon> does ovi mail do push e-mail for n900 too?
Nov 25 12:59:53 <Sicelo> nope
Nov 25 12:59:55 <vi___> when did you create your account?
Nov 25 13:00:12 <vi___> what country are you in?
Nov 25 13:00:22 <pigeon> quite a while ago
Nov 25 13:00:25 <pigeon> australia
Nov 25 13:00:42 <pigeon> i mean, e-mails are still being pushed properly now
Nov 25 13:00:43 <psycho_oreos> same country as me
Nov 25 13:00:59 <pigeon> but i want to add a new account now, but the nokia messaging website seems to be gone.
Nov 25 13:01:09 <vi___> ok, I am UK. So I dunno what is the case with NOK AUS
Nov 25 13:01:54 <Sicelo> yes pigeon, nokia messaging still provides push, but u can't do anything with settings anymore. i don't even know how you delete your previously set account :P
Nov 25 13:02:32 <pigeon> interesting
Nov 25 13:03:04 <pigeon> in modest, i just tried to create a new account, i just picked uk for region, and i can choose Nokia Message now.
Nov 25 13:03:37 * jonwil looks longingly at all the things that are closed in Fremantle but open in MeeGo or Harmattan :(
Nov 25 13:05:37 <jonwil> oh yeah I think I found a possible way to write something the maemo community is going to LOVE
Nov 25 13:05:54 <psycho_oreos> what will that be?
Nov 25 13:06:05 <jonwil> Specifically the project I have in mind is basically a wifi network priority setup
Nov 25 13:06:33 <pigeon> so apart from nokia messaging, how else can you setup push email with the n900?
Nov 25 13:07:02 <jonwil> if the phone comes in range of a higher priority WiFi network, it will disconnect from the one its on right now and connect to the higher priority one
Nov 25 13:07:14 <Sicelo> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Email_Options#Push_Email
Nov 25 13:09:13 <pigeon> thanks
Nov 25 13:09:13 <lardman> http://www.imgtec.com/powervr/insider/docs/PowerVR%20Series5%20Graphics.SGX%20architecture%20guide%20for%20developers.1.0.8.External.pdf might be of general interest to those interested in such things
Nov 25 13:09:44 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: :)
Nov 25 13:09:54 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: I've been wanting that a bit.
Nov 25 13:10:27 * jonwil has lost count of the number of communities he has entered and been able to work magic in
Nov 25 13:10:31 <jonwil> Mostly games related though
Nov 25 13:12:14 <vi___> reverse engineer tklock plugin
Nov 25 13:15:44 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: gta04 seems a semi-valid replacement capable of running fremantle (with severe patching of some stuff like cmt-libs/telepathy etc)   http://projects.goldelico.com/p/gta04-main/
Nov 25 13:16:15 <Sicelo> hmm, pigeon, try https://email.nokia.com/account/login.action
Nov 25 13:16:51 <vi___> gta04 is the hardware right?
Nov 25 13:17:48 <vi___> wait is gta04 still that repulsive oblong?
Nov 25 13:18:04 <vi___> Or is it a rectangle with a slide out keyboard?
Nov 25 13:18:23 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: go for it! much appreciated :-D
Nov 25 13:18:32 * jonwil already reverse engineered the bits one would need to know to write a new tklock plugin
Nov 25 13:18:41 * jonwil posted those notes to the mailing list a while back
Nov 25 13:19:06 <DocScrutinizer> vi___: alas still the shower radio case design, no hw kbd :-((
Nov 25 13:19:09 <SpeedEvil> gta04 is tha hardware replacement PCB that fits in a openmoko freerunner case.
Nov 25 13:19:21 <jonwil> As for the wifi thing, before I do anything else, I need to find all the things libicd-network-wlan exposes to the outside world
Nov 25 13:19:25 <SpeedEvil> And the 640*480 LCD doens't look as shiny as it once did.
Nov 25 13:19:37 <jonwil> including talking to ICD itself
Nov 25 13:20:07 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: I don't care much about shiny LCD, but the r-ts panel is a major PITA
Nov 25 13:20:29 <SpeedEvil> hmm
Nov 25 13:20:45 <SpeedEvil> I never found mine that bad.
Nov 25 13:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> that one and the one in N900 are two entirely different classes of touchpanel
Nov 25 13:20:51 <SpeedEvil> Maybe there is unit-unit variation.
Nov 25 13:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> it's by mere technology used: gta02 tp is a air+spacer-bumps type, while I am convinced N900 panel uses some oil-separator
Nov 25 13:22:52 <DocScrutinizer> the difference for you is less noticeable as you got a screen protector on N900 ;-)
Nov 25 13:22:59 <SpeedEvil> Probably.
Nov 25 13:23:58 <DocScrutinizer> also the oil is aging it seems - initially I hardly could wipe away dust from either N810 or N900 surface
Nov 25 13:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> without triggering a touch event
Nov 25 13:24:33 <DocScrutinizer> and I have good motoric and sensoric skills
Nov 25 13:26:38 <DocScrutinizer> was quite fun to demonstrate sensitivity of N900 by touching sceen with corner of a simple paper and it registered touch event
Nov 25 13:27:27 <DocScrutinizer> almost *too* sensitive for me
Nov 25 13:30:13 * jonwil wonders why libicd-network-wlan is so complex
Nov 25 13:30:33 * jonwil guesses lots of it has to do with wlan security in all its forms
Nov 25 13:30:44 <jonwil> and with talking to wlan-security modules and bits
Nov 25 13:31:02 <vi___> Is there a real time scope type application for the n900?
Nov 25 13:31:26 <vi___> Something that will fft the mic input and isplay a nice graph for example?
Nov 25 13:39:43 <jonwil> ooh, good, wlancond is open source. YAY.
Nov 25 13:48:49 <lardman> Does the N900's Xserver use drm/dri ?
Nov 25 13:50:11 <lardman> Presumably the XServer dri module is closed source?
Nov 25 13:51:18 <vadimq_> lardman: (II) Module dri2: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
Nov 25 13:52:01 <lardman> thanks vadimq_ 
Nov 25 13:52:16 <vadimq_> I see it also loads fbdev, also by X.Org
Nov 25 13:52:26 <lardman> Interesting
Nov 25 13:52:47 <lardman> I see reading that fbdev is patched with some extensions apparently
Nov 25 13:53:40 <lardman> https://github.com/naguirre/xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx
Nov 25 13:54:16 * lardman tries to work out where to start with persuading omap4 sgx userspace to talk to Hummingbird pvr driver
Nov 25 13:56:37 <Sicelo> pigeon: well, nokia messaging is, after all, alive and well.
Nov 25 13:57:57 <jargon-> psycho_oreos: ok i'm back from lunch. the problems tab for the CSSU update says the following pkgs are missing: maemosec-certman-aplet >=0.1.4+0m5, libmaemosec-certman-applet0 >=0.1.4+0m5. how do i install them? i don't see them in HAM
Nov 25 13:58:12 <jargon-> or are they supposed to be part of some bundle?
Nov 25 13:59:21 <merlin1991> jargon-: do you have the nokia ssu repo enabled?
Nov 25 13:59:51 <merlin1991> you need that one, since something went bad when adding those to the cssu repo, they are there but not  recogniceable by apt
Nov 25 14:00:24 <jargon-> merlin1991: i'm having trouble getting HAM to update any nokia/ovi repo for a week now
Nov 25 14:00:56 <merlin1991> :/
Nov 25 14:01:12 <jargon-> yeah
Nov 25 14:01:24 <merlin1991> and it seems the files on the community repo are completely gone now
Nov 25 14:01:25 <merlin1991> WTF?
Nov 25 14:01:46 <jargon-> great
Nov 25 14:01:49 <jargon-> just great
Nov 25 14:02:28 <Sicelo> 0.0
Nov 25 14:02:30 <merlin1991> and X-Fade seems to be on holidays or something
Nov 25 14:02:38 <merlin1991> I just can't reach him since a week
Nov 25 14:03:31 <jargon-> yep. it's all empty now. can't update anything at the moment.
Nov 25 14:03:38 <jargon-> weirder by the minute,this is.
Nov 25 14:04:13 <RST38h> OMG THE END OF THE WORLD IS COMING
Nov 25 14:04:20 <merlin1991> OMGZ0R
Nov 25 14:06:15 <bindi> hi
Nov 25 14:06:18 <bindi> any tips on vnc over 3g? :D
Nov 25 14:06:23 <bindi> also, why does everything i type have caps?
Nov 25 14:06:53 <jargon-> bindi: hmm. it's all lowercase,from where i'm seated
Nov 25 14:07:01 <bindi> ORlY :P
Nov 25 14:07:05 <jargon-> except for the 'D' in ':D'
Nov 25 14:07:09 <bindi> DIDNT TYPE OVER VNC THEM
Nov 25 14:07:11 <bindi> THEN
Nov 25 14:07:14 <bindi> :--D
Nov 25 14:07:18 <bindi> and no the shift key is not locked
Nov 25 14:07:21 <jargon-> now it's all screamy caps,yes
Nov 25 14:07:31 <jargon-> bindi: is the shift key locked?
Nov 25 14:07:32 <jargon-> :P
Nov 25 14:07:35 <bindi> holding shift = lowercase
Nov 25 14:07:38 <bindi> why are you doing this :<
Nov 25 14:08:06 <bindi> very slow picture over 3G 
Nov 25 14:11:35 <bindi> hmm
Nov 25 14:11:37 <bindi> its lowercase sometimes
Nov 25 14:11:46 <bindi> like "SoMeTiMeS", looks very retarded :D
Nov 25 14:12:27 <ZogG_laptop> hey
Nov 25 14:13:43 <Jooles> Hi all
Nov 25 14:14:35 <jargon-> merlin1991: repos seem to be back
Nov 25 14:14:37 <jargon-> hi Jooles 
Nov 25 14:14:50 <jargon-> let's see if the CSSU update finally works
Nov 25 14:25:09 <jargon-> it worked
Nov 25 14:25:11 <jargon-> IT WORKED!
Nov 25 14:25:19 <jargon-> OOOOH GOD!! IT WORKED!!! :-D
Nov 25 14:25:37 <jargon-> thank you all for your help. especially psycho_oreos and vi___ 
Nov 25 14:44:02 <psycho_oreos> o.O keine problem
Nov 25 14:52:44 <jonwil> aha, I just thought of a brilliant idea for the wifi priority thing. Instead of creating a new wireless lan plugin (or cloning the existing one) we move libicd_network_wlan.so somewhere else, then we install our own plugin which calls dlopen() on libicd_network_wlan.so
Nov 25 14:52:56 <jonwil> so basically our plugin sits between the wlan plugin and icd
Nov 25 14:53:14 <jonwil> oh wait no, that wont work
Nov 25 14:55:48 <reenignEesreveR> i need some help regarding installting qt4-compoennts on my scratchbox
Nov 25 14:56:23 <reenignEesreveR> http://dpaste.com/661593/
Nov 25 14:56:32 <reenignEesreveR> how do i fix that?
Nov 25 14:58:57 <bindi> argh.
Nov 25 14:59:05 <bindi> I still don't get why my n900 vnc viewer has caps.
Nov 25 14:59:28 <reenignEesreveR> how do i fix this error while apt-get update : W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: Unable to read /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/ - opendir (2: No such file or directory)
Nov 25 15:00:10 <psycho_oreos> it probably means /etc/apt/trustedd.gpg.d doesn't actually exist?
Nov 25 15:00:57 <reenignEesreveR> yup it doesn't exist.
Nov 25 15:01:54 <reenignEesreveR> but i dont think just creating the directory would solve
Nov 25 15:08:51 <reenignEesreveR> W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/.
Nov 25 15:09:42 <psycho_oreos> apt-key maybe? and you'll need to import those GPG keys.. they maybe found on the N900 itself
Nov 25 15:09:58 <bindi> anyone use rdesktop on n900?
Nov 25 15:10:02 <bindi> wondering how i can do alt 
Nov 25 15:10:06 <bindi> or change screens
Nov 25 15:10:32 <reenignEesreveR> psycho_oreos, whats the proper way of adding a repository?
Nov 25 15:10:46 <psycho_oreos> reenignEesreveR, I really don't know
Nov 25 15:11:19 <Sicelo> isn't it HAM?
Nov 25 15:11:20 <psycho_oreos> normally you add them with vim and then you use something like apt-key to import them.. but for scratchbox environment it maybe is more different
Nov 25 15:11:40 <Sicelo> oh.. my bad. sb..
Nov 25 15:11:52 <psycho_oreos> he mentioned scratchbox earlier on so I'm presuming its still about scratchbox
Nov 25 15:13:07 <luke-jr> so what's the latest on N900 kernels?
Nov 25 15:13:17 <psycho_oreos> pk49?
Nov 25 15:13:18 <luke-jr> mainline do anything reasonable yet?
Nov 25 15:13:48 * psycho_oreos doubts any of the cool hacks and patches would be pushed upstream
Nov 25 15:14:57 <reenignEesreveR> yes, im still talking about scratchbox
Nov 25 15:15:49 <luke-jr> pk49⁇
Nov 25 15:16:09 <MohammadAG> I might get two N950s
Nov 25 15:16:26 <psycho_oreos> and how you plan on doing that?
Nov 25 15:16:26 <ThreeM> send one to me :)
Nov 25 15:17:26 <MohammadAG> Well, me and nokia asked dhl to send the second replacement back and nokia sent me a 3rd replacement
Nov 25 15:17:44 <MohammadAG> The third seems to be going fine, so i might get it on sunday
Nov 25 15:17:58 <psycho_oreos> you're going to end up having three N950?!?!?
Nov 25 15:18:33 <MohammadAG> The second one, rather than saying returned
Nov 25 15:18:59 <ThreeM> again, send me one :)
Nov 25 15:19:25 <reenignEesreveR> i have a package installed ... how can i know from which repository it was installed
Nov 25 15:19:56 <MohammadAG> http://www.dhl.com/content/g0/en/express/tracking.shtml?brand=DHL&AWB=6936258346%0D%0A
Nov 25 15:20:17 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos: If i do i'll send it back
Nov 25 15:20:40 <gregoa> reenignEesreveR: apt-cache policy $package
Nov 25 15:20:51 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos: I sent my first one back in october
Nov 25 15:21:25 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, still its nice to have two N950 afterall, DHL screwed you over so you should screw them over ;)
Nov 25 15:22:07 <reenignEesreveR> gregoa, that doesn't tell me from which repo was it installed ... the only link i get is this: 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages
Nov 25 15:22:27 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos: I'm sure nokia wouldnt agree
Nov 25 15:22:54 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: LOL WTF
Nov 25 15:23:11 <DocScrutinizer> DHL and IL customs are such asshats
Nov 25 15:23:27 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, they wouldn't know unless if they raided your house ;)
Nov 25 15:24:44 <bindi> can I change my n900s swedish o to be alt?
Nov 25 15:24:55 <bindi> im looking at the rx-51 file but im not sure
Nov 25 15:26:04 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: don't send back the device unless Nokia tell you to do so
Nov 25 15:26:37 <DocScrutinizer> if you wanna be PC then tell Quim about the case and ask what you shall do
Nov 25 15:26:49 <reenignEesreveR> how do i install debian-keyring in my scratchbox? :(
Nov 25 15:26:58 <bindi> I'll take one N950, thanks
Nov 25 15:26:58 <bindi> :D
Nov 25 15:29:38 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer: We agreed it'll be sent back
Nov 25 15:30:28 <MohammadAG_> Well, she said she'll ask dhl to send the package back
Nov 25 15:31:43 <bindi> so ahem
Nov 25 15:31:50 <bindi> i'm looking at the rx-51 file for remapping keys
Nov 25 15:32:25 <bindi> i have no idea how I can remap swedish o to alt
Nov 25 15:35:33 <reenignEesreveR> im tired of trying to properly setup scratchbox on my machine :@
Nov 25 15:35:46 <reenignEesreveR> wasted 3 complete days :@
Nov 25 15:36:06 <vi____> lol
Nov 25 15:38:51 <vi____> how to fsck easy debian?
Nov 25 15:39:39 <psycho_oreos> same way as mkfs except you substitute the mkfs command with fsck? just a wild guess
Nov 25 15:39:48 <vi____> mmm, nope
Nov 25 15:40:44 <vi____> aaah
Nov 25 15:40:48 <vi____> mount image
Nov 25 15:41:00 <vi____> fsck /dev/loopX
Nov 25 15:41:29 <psycho_oreos> but then you'll be fsck on the mounted partition in other words no?
Nov 25 15:41:51 <vi____> meh
Nov 25 15:42:51 <vi____> The annoying part is having to sit here and press 'y'
Nov 25 15:43:16 <vi____> is there no wayI can pipe 'y' command into fsck
Nov 25 15:43:18 <psycho_oreos> there's a switch for that :)　-y
Nov 25 15:44:42 <jaska> yes | fsck? :)
Nov 25 15:46:55 <vi____> lol
Nov 25 15:47:01 <vi____> greatest error message ever
Nov 25 15:47:22 <vi____> WARNING: PROGRAMMING BUG IN E2FSCK!
Nov 25 15:47:43 <vi____> OR SOME BONEHEAD (YOU) IS CHECKING A MOUNTED (LIVE) FILESYSTEM
Nov 25 15:48:12 <chem|st> vi____: that's just truth!
Nov 25 15:48:30 <chem|st> I like warning messages to be honest!
Nov 25 15:49:18 <vi____> well I cannot pipe yes | to fsck
Nov 25 15:49:24 <vi____> it just says mounted file system
Nov 25 15:49:30 <vi____> which doesnt make any sense
Nov 25 15:50:28 <jaska> :D
Nov 25 15:51:33 <luke-jr> I wish Maemo's kernel allowed fscking read-only-mounted fs
Nov 25 15:53:35 <vi____> i wish busybox would let me fsck whatever the fsck i wanted
Nov 25 16:01:08 <vi____> if I run an opengl application in easy debian will it work?
Nov 25 16:06:24 <vi____> You should put an early loading SSH server to load in ACT_DEAD mode when you have the camera slide open at boot.
Nov 25 16:06:46 <vi____> This way the next noob who forgets his lock code would have a secret 'backdoor'
Nov 25 16:08:46 <psycho_oreos> http://i.imgur.com/XV6Tr.png <--- lol, from my third N900, after having successfully restored a tarball backup from another N900. Somehow this is the only device affected and I'm not going to bother fixing it if it requires reflash.
Nov 25 16:13:14 <reenignEesreveR> how do i access my host files from scratchbox?
Nov 25 16:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> vi____: RTFM
Nov 25 16:57:00 <DocScrutinizer> vi____: btw please add another few _ to your nick ;-D
Nov 25 16:57:46 <DocScrutinizer> I'd like to know how far you could go_____________________________
Nov 25 17:09:15 <raptor67682> hello
Nov 25 17:09:29 <raptor67682> shall I buy an HTC with ANdroid or N900 nokia ? 
Nov 25 17:09:32 <raptor67682> what is betteer? 
Nov 25 17:09:44 <raptor67682> at #android they say, nokia n900 is not good
Nov 25 17:09:51 <raptor67682> and here : http://gdgt.com/discuss/maemo-vs-android-what-makes-maemo-a-winner-3nu/
Nov 25 17:09:54 <raptor67682> the opposite
Nov 25 17:11:37 <wmarone> of course the people at #android are going to say the N900 isn't good: it doens't run Android
Nov 25 17:12:08 <wmarone> of course, I'm still using my N900 after 2 years despite all the fancy new hardware
Nov 25 17:12:19 <raptor67682> I also see that ANDROID has more programs . look here : http://www.ghisler.com/android.htm
Nov 25 17:12:24 <wmarone> as I have no interest in Android whatsoever (nasty google hack)
Nov 25 17:12:44 <raptor67682> I have to go to the shop to buy a android or nokia >=n900, but still I have big doubts ... 
Nov 25 17:13:11 <raptor67682> it seems that android has more applications/programs than nokia >=n900
Nov 25 17:13:35 <raptor67682> it is kinda maemo vs android....
Nov 25 17:14:29 <raptor67682>  the android has this cool filemanager : http://activr.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/total-commander-android-tablet-file-manager.png
Nov 25 17:14:40 <wmarone> if the only thing you care about is the number of applications for a device then you should get an iPhone
Nov 25 17:16:48 <vi______________> raptor67682: of course they would, they are haxor wannabes whar mad jelly with their noob fonez.
Nov 25 17:18:28 <vi_> raptor67682: What do you want? A good mobile phone? A smartphone with no battery life and loads of spywa...appz or a mobile computer (that kinda sucks as a phone).
Nov 25 17:18:54 <raptor67682> I would desire: a sort of mini pc with linux, with cool keyboard and linux applications (tons of )
Nov 25 17:19:07 <vi_> then the n900 is for you.
Nov 25 17:19:15 <vi_> However it does not have any appz
Nov 25 17:19:37 <vi_> it has most of the important free and open source programs ported to the platform
Nov 25 17:19:55 <vi_> but it doesnt have fruit ninja OR whatsapp
Nov 25 17:20:08 <vi_> or any off that shit.
Nov 25 17:20:53 <raptor67682> vi_: could I may avi/divx with it, with the n900 also? 
Nov 25 17:21:21 <raptor67682> and do as sort of ms powerpoint  with the N900? 
Nov 25 17:21:27 <vi_> what, please form your thought into a question.
Nov 25 17:21:43 <vi_> You can run open office on the n900...
Nov 25 17:21:55 <vi_> You know open office?
Nov 25 17:23:32 <vi_> raptor do you know what xterm is?
Nov 25 17:23:41 <vi_> raptor67682: do you run linux at home?
Nov 25 17:23:48 <dspGuest2459> hello
Nov 25 17:24:34 <dspGuest2459> to record in 720p is it enough to have the latest cameraUI from cssu, or would I need a different one?
Nov 25 17:24:35 <reenignEesreveR> is n900 based on arm11 or arm9?
Nov 25 17:25:16 <raptor67682> vi_: yes, deeply much. linux everywhere ;) (debian since 15 years)
Nov 25 17:27:51 <NIN101> reenignEesreveR: ARMv7
Nov 25 17:28:31 <AD-N770> cortex-a8
Nov 25 17:28:37 <reenignEesreveR> i have an sdk with options of arm11 and arm9 ... people have used it with n900 ... can i safely use arm9 then?
Nov 25 17:29:02 <AD-N770> 770 was arm9
Nov 25 17:29:10 <AD-N770> 800/810 arm11
Nov 25 17:29:58 <AD-N770> I would probably prefer arm11 one
Nov 25 17:30:46 <reenignEesreveR> right
Nov 25 17:30:50 <reenignEesreveR> gr8, thanks :)
Nov 25 17:35:59 <reenignEesreveR> which package contains qmake for scratchbox?
Nov 25 17:37:37 <x29a> id say qt core
Nov 25 17:39:43 <vi_> raptor67682: then you are going to fucking love the n900
Nov 25 17:39:56 <vi_> raptor67682: it is more or less a debian box in your pocket
Nov 25 17:40:42 <vi_> raptor67682: you can even run debian lenny in a chroot and get access to full debian repositories.
Nov 25 17:40:56 <vi_> Full firefox etc.
Nov 25 17:42:09 <vi_> dspGuest2459: EVERYTHING you need to know about recording/viewing in 720p is written in the first post of the 'How to watch 720p' thread.
Nov 25 17:42:42 <vi_> dspGuest2459: you also need an updated version of camera-ui2 which is in the thread for camera-ui2
Nov 25 17:43:19 <vi_> dspGuest2459: so follow 720p thread instructions EXACTLY, get the updated version of camera-ui2, reboot and enjoy.
Nov 25 17:44:13 <dspGuest2459> vi_: thanks!
Nov 25 17:45:19 <vi_> raptor67682: some of the hardware is superior to most of the modern androids as well.
Nov 25 17:45:25 <vi_> the camera for example.
Nov 25 17:57:20 <vi_> im going to go troll #android
Nov 25 18:11:37 <luke-jr> fwiw, I just ported 2.6.28*.10* patchset to fremantle's PR1.3 patch :P
Nov 25 18:12:00 <luke-jr> (plus some bugfixes to build with GCC 4.4+ and recent versions of GNU Make
Nov 25 18:13:57 <vi_> luke-jr: what?
Nov 25 18:14:31 <luke-jr> vi_: fremantle's kernel was based on 2.6.28(.0); there were 10 bugfix revisions since then
Nov 25 18:14:39 <luke-jr> so I merged it up to 2.6.28.10
Nov 25 18:14:45 <vi_> aaaah.
Nov 25 18:15:00 <vi_> brief change log?
Nov 25 18:15:04 <NIN101> power kernel is also 2.6.28.10...
Nov 25 18:15:08 <luke-jr> vi_: a ton of bugfixes :P
Nov 25 18:15:14 <luke-jr> NIN101: is it?
Nov 25 18:15:16 <NIN101> yes
Nov 25 18:15:23 <luke-jr> oh well
Nov 25 18:15:27 <slonopotamus> NIN101: that was too boring for luke-jr
Nov 25 18:15:35 <luke-jr> too bad I couldn't find their code when I was looking :p
Nov 25 18:15:41 <vi_> did you do this into power kernel source or stock nokia 2.6.28.10 source?
Nov 25 18:15:52 <luke-jr> …
Nov 25 18:16:06 <luke-jr> stock Linux 2.6.28 + Nokia fremantle patch + 2.6.28.10 patch
Nov 25 18:16:11 <vi_> aaah
Nov 25 18:16:18 <luke-jr> well, technically I did the last 2 bits parallel
Nov 25 18:16:21 <luke-jr> I put it into git :P
Nov 25 18:16:33 <vi_> you should check kernel power on github
Nov 25 18:16:36 <luke-jr> and let git do most of the work
Nov 25 18:16:47 <vi_> perhaps they could use some patches?
Nov 25 18:16:51 <luke-jr> shrug
Nov 25 18:17:02 <luke-jr> tbh, I'd rather spend my time getting mainline to work
Nov 25 18:17:23 <luke-jr> I just want to get my fremantle kernel good enough to kexec when I boot Gentoo
Nov 25 18:17:27 <luke-jr> then I can kexec another one
Nov 25 18:18:09 <vi_> oh....your the gentoo guy...
Nov 25 18:18:34 <luke-jr> :p
Nov 25 18:18:49 <vi_> gentoo fills me with fear and loathing
Nov 25 18:21:34 <slonopotamus> positive side of gentoo users is that they produce patches and instructions, unlike deb/rpm-based distro users, who produce binaries and youtube videos.
Nov 25 18:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> raptor67682: 1 mio fart apps don't make an awesome platform ;-)
Nov 25 18:22:54 <vi_> really? oh shi...
Nov 25 18:23:02 <vi_> are you going to email elop or am I?
Nov 25 18:23:45 <DocScrutinizer> raptor67682: also you have to know that most "apps" for maemo/N900 are *not* to be found in a "store" but simply install via appmanager from a repository like you are used to do for a *proper* linux platform
Nov 25 18:24:23 <DocScrutinizer> vi_: STFU! ;-P
Nov 25 18:26:31 <DocScrutinizer> raptor67682: andridiot is consumer mass market crap to pick your money with fart apps. Maemo/N900 is a *very* unique true linux platform for geeks
Nov 25 18:27:11 <vi_> I dont see what the problem is with 'phone call answering lag'...
Nov 25 18:27:47 <vi_> There I was decompressing a easy debian image, a task so onerous it makes most n900s reboot
Nov 25 18:28:05 <vi_> and I took a phone call.
Nov 25 18:28:54 <DocScrutinizer> vi_: reboot? only when you forgot to properly set up swappolube
Nov 25 18:28:59 <luke-jr> raptor67682: Maemo is dead. N900 is obsolete and unsupported. etc. Android sucks bad tho
Nov 25 18:30:15 <vi_> unsupported??
Nov 25 18:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> corvette is old and discontinued and manufacturer can be considered dead, still I'd prefer it to a Toyota
Nov 25 18:30:23 <vi_> I received an update yesterday
Nov 25 18:30:44 <vi_> Youd prefer a corvette to a toyota.
Nov 25 18:30:47 <luke-jr> vi_: o rly?
Nov 25 18:30:48 <vi_> u mad?
Nov 25 18:31:10 <vi_> luke-jr: rly.  An update to busybox.
Nov 25 18:31:24 * DocScrutinizer barfs up X-P
Nov 25 18:31:31 <luke-jr> vi_: so where's 3.2 for N900?
Nov 25 18:31:57 <DocScrutinizer> over at #mer
Nov 25 18:32:22 <slonopotamus> mer doesn't deliver hw-specific components
Nov 25 18:32:35 <DocScrutinizer> ooh it doesn't ?
Nov 25 18:32:40 <vi_> luke-jr: I got it right here bro, just pm me your bank account number and sort code.  I'l mail it right away.
Nov 25 18:33:00 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer: yes, read their page again. no hw, no gui. just a base system.
Nov 25 18:33:09 <vi_> mer can suck my balls
Nov 25 18:33:17 <vi_> I am an 'end user'
Nov 25 18:33:23 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: last I checked, Mer was abandoned
Nov 25 18:33:27 <vi_> not a hallowed chosen one with a n950
Nov 25 18:33:38 * DocScrutinizer tries in vain to figure what'S a base system without hw support looking like
Nov 25 18:33:48 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: there's post-meego mer now
Nov 25 18:33:53 <vi_> DocScrutinizer: it is a shopping list of programs.
Nov 25 18:34:01 <luke-jr> slonopotamus: what is it?
Nov 25 18:34:18 <DocScrutinizer> successor of meego-arm
Nov 25 18:34:34 <vi_> What was decided WRT to maemo repos after 2012?
Nov 25 18:34:44 <DocScrutinizer> meego arm did mitosis and became two: mer and nemo
Nov 25 18:34:44 <vi_> After they pull the plug?
Nov 25 18:34:45 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: i just said.
Nov 25 18:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> #mer /topic: >>Mer is back! - http://bit.ly/qqX2jp - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/ | Contribution to packages: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | Building against Mer in COBS: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Building_against_Mer_in_COBS ...<<
Nov 25 18:36:54 <slonopotamus> http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/ what a crippled url
Nov 25 18:37:29 <luke-jr> oh, did MeeGo formally die?
Nov 25 18:37:35 <slonopotamus> i think yes
Nov 25 18:38:17 <luke-jr> "So it begs the question: why not just evolve MeeGo? We believe the future belongs to HTML5-based applications, outside of a relatively small percentage of apps, and we are firmly convinced that our investment needs to shift toward HTML5." <-- they answer their own question!
Nov 25 18:38:47 <slonopotamus> actually i don't see an answer
Nov 25 18:38:59 <luke-jr> oh, I was reading from the wrong perspective
Nov 25 18:39:08 <luke-jr> I thought it was a MeeGo guy complaining they weren't using MeeGo
Nov 25 18:39:24 <abill_uk> did abill_uk get banhammered?
Nov 25 18:39:43 <luke-jr> well, Tizen sounds like crap then
Nov 25 18:39:45 <luke-jr> sigh
Nov 25 18:39:45 <aholler_> hmm, so mer is a frontend to goole apps?
Nov 25 18:40:02 <slonopotamus> luke-jr: hmm... tizen was born yet?
Nov 25 18:40:20 <slonopotamus> aholler_: mer doesn't provide a gui
Nov 25 18:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> abill_uk: not yet but if yiu'Re asking politely we can arrange sth for you
Nov 25 18:47:19 <aholler_> I wait until kde assimilated the meego touchready apps ;)
Nov 25 18:49:04 <aholler_> and then it's time for an new toucpad with kde ;)
Nov 25 18:50:34 * DocScrutinizer yawns a bit and hands banhammer to some other chanop, just in case. Heads out...
Nov 25 18:52:33 * aholler_ offers his n770 to other chanop
Nov 25 18:52:57 <luke-jr> lol
Nov 25 18:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> If I'd care I'd track down who tried to kill me with impersonating abill_uk, but MEH
Nov 25 18:56:20 <DocScrutinizer> 31.185.134.204 we're homing in on you!
Nov 25 19:11:33 <aholler_> that tracking reads like if someone has written 'I'm a bomb' onto the package ;)
Nov 25 19:16:08 <aholler_> 2 month just to get send back. unbelievable.
Nov 25 19:17:26 <ShadowJK> watching a user trying to use Symbian Belle first time is kinda tragic
Nov 25 19:18:05 <ShadowJK> time to user grabbing ballpoint ben to attempt typing: 1 minute
Nov 25 19:18:22 <ShadowJK> next hurdle was figuring out what the equivalent of an OK button is
Nov 25 19:19:47 <raptor67682> vi_: got back from store. So they do not sell anymore the NOKIA N900
Nov 25 19:20:49 <raptor67682> they said that Maemo is out of date, and they do not sell it anymore. The salesman said that Maemo was not working at all, and he said that they do not sell Maemo anymore. 
Nov 25 19:20:56 <aholler_> maybe the customs thought it's an animal and put the poor thing into quarntine
Nov 25 19:24:07 <luke-jr> [13:26:21] <luke-jr> raptor67682: Maemo is dead. N900 is obsolete and unsupported. etc. Android sucks bad tho
Nov 25 19:25:03 <luke-jr> surprised they EVER had it in a store :p
Nov 25 19:25:50 <Macer> made it out of the mall
Nov 25 19:26:15 <Macer> didn't notice that my appt i made last week was on black friday
Nov 25 19:33:24 <DocScrutinizer51> raptor67682: toldya it's a platform for geeks. Do you expect geeks as salespoint lizards?
Nov 25 19:33:58 <DocScrutinizer51> obviously it didn't ever work FOR THEM
Nov 25 19:34:45 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm using my N900 as daily phone plus uch much more since 2 years now, never regretted it
Nov 25 19:35:29 <DocScrutinizer51> there are users on tmo that have signatute "N900: my reason to live"
Nov 25 19:35:59 <DocScrutinizer51> you think  you'jj see that for random anfridiot phones?
Nov 25 19:36:08 <SpeedEvil> Yes.
Nov 25 19:39:19 <vi_> raptor67682: that sucks man however even seeing them in 'real' shops was uncommon.  If you want a linux box for your pocket then you can still find them online.  Check your local version of gumtree/craiglist, ebay then amazon etc.
Nov 25 19:40:15 <vi_> my first one broke.  I immediatley bought another without hesitation.
Nov 25 19:41:17 <vi_> fourtunatley the first one was still under warrenty, got an e7 and flogged it right away to help pay for it.  I was lucky, I found a guy who was selling a brand new one.  It still had the screen sticker on it!
Nov 25 20:13:06 <Pali> ping DocScrutinizer
Nov 25 20:13:12 <psycho_oreos> real N900 are hard to come by these days because: 1) there are owners who either break them by various means and have asked for replacement and 2) because of its native wifi pentesting capabilities it has stirred up a bit of commotion that now almost make N900 somewhat a cult device within the wifi pentesting community. Apart from those reasons it could also be possible that a few of us whom now owns a few N900 apart from just one recommending others to b
Nov 25 20:13:12 <psycho_oreos> uy more in case their one and only N900 stuffs up
Nov 25 20:16:25 <DocScrutinizer51> Pali: pog
Nov 25 20:16:32 <DocScrutinizer51> pong even
Nov 25 20:17:45 <Pali> I started writing bq2415x kernel driver
Nov 25 20:18:19 <DocScrutinizer51> cool
Nov 25 20:18:24 <Pali> now I have structure for driver, see: http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pali/bq2415x_charger.c
Nov 25 20:18:52 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm abroad, ewill look when back home again
Nov 25 20:19:10 <Pali> I used i2c functions and miscdevice from bq27x00 driver
Nov 25 20:19:11 <Pali> ok
Nov 25 20:19:18 <DocScrutinizer51> also will try to complete my 'spcs'
Nov 25 20:19:36 <DocScrutinizer51> specs
Nov 25 20:20:33 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer51, two quick questions: 1) The N900 doesn't have some sort of a screen tint does it? two of my rev 2204 has a darker screen when the screen is off. Its very similar to the N900 featured in the advertisement when one turns the screen off it shows very much a dark screen. Though my third one isn't like that its more like a silver colour. 2) Could it be possible that nokia happens to have a capacitative display and they used that on the N900? 
Nov 25 20:20:33 <psycho_oreos> I guess its very hard to tell if that's the case
Nov 25 20:20:37 <DocScrutinizer51> damn, almost too busy trhese days. new job, CSSU, GTA04, bq24150 driver...
Nov 25 20:22:06 <DocScrutinizer51> it's hard to answer any of those right here
Nov 25 20:22:16 * psycho_oreos nods
Nov 25 20:22:53 <DocScrutinizer51> psycho_oreos: I'm come back to it when back home
Nov 25 20:23:03 <DocScrutinizer51> I'jj
Nov 25 20:23:07 <DocScrutinizer51> meh
Nov 25 20:23:11 <DocScrutinizer51> ll
Nov 25 20:23:46 <psycho_oreos> I should probably just also put a tmo thread as well, instead of placing a heavy burden on you :D
Nov 25 20:23:47 <ShadowJK> capacitive touchscreen on n900?
Nov 25 20:23:50 <ShadowJK> huh
Nov 25 20:24:26 * DocScrutinizer51 <-- idiot. left fahrplan running and wonder why battery goes down the drain
Nov 25 20:24:27 <psycho_oreos> ShadowJK, there's aftermarket of those, probably not by nokia themselves but there's an actual difference with the screen
Nov 25 20:24:44 <DocScrutinizer51> ShadowJK: he said display
Nov 25 20:25:09 <ShadowJK> the blackness when "on" depends how much backlight leaks through the display layer surely?
Nov 25 20:25:15 <DocScrutinizer51> all very confusing/confused
Nov 25 20:26:05 <ShadowJK> and when off it depends on the gloss of the surface and the external lighting?
Nov 25 20:26:10 <psycho_oreos> well the screen isn't on and it just seems my third (rev 2101) screen has a more silverish colour tint as opposed to a more darker black tint
Nov 25 20:26:53 <DocScrutinizer51> might depend on LC fluid used etc
Nov 25 20:27:39 <psycho_oreos> same external lighting, actually I have a photo which should show fairly clearly with all my N900. The two N900 with rev 2204 you will see are `blacker' or darker than the 2101 one
Nov 25 20:27:48 <psycho_oreos> hmm never though about LC fluid
Nov 25 20:29:24 <psycho_oreos> http://i.imgur.com/KSMbK.jpg <--- here, its the same link as the one in my tmo signature.. the one in the middle is the rev 2101 one
Nov 25 20:31:17 <ShadowJK> looks like middle one would work better in sunlight
Nov 25 20:32:29 <SpeedEvil> Exact orientation matters
Nov 25 20:33:18 <psycho_oreos> it seems as though the middle one is for some reason greyish than the other two. *shrugs* it could just be me thinking that its a capacitative screen when its probably not and as what DocScrutinizer51 mentioned its probably different LC fluid used
Nov 25 20:33:57 <psycho_oreos> I don't think exact orientation would matter, it just seems as though no matter which angle I place the third N900 on, it would still appear with greyish tint than darker one
Nov 25 20:34:04 <SpeedEvil> K
Nov 25 20:34:17 <SpeedEvil> I was wondering if you were just going off the photo
Nov 25 20:35:22 <psycho_oreos> the photo was just an example, I could take more photos on the third N900 but I'm sure the results doesn't speak any difference. Not that the issue worries me too heavily but its just weird that there's this difference with it
Nov 25 20:35:40 <ShadowJK> hm. N900 screen (screen, not ts, not bl) when off is white.. or atleast my first N900 faded to white when losing power to screen
Nov 25 20:36:05 <SpeedEvil> I'd be interested if there are substantive differences in the brightness of the backlight, or in sunlit performace with the backlight dimmed.
Nov 25 20:36:24 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: You can't really say that.
Nov 25 20:36:33 <SpeedEvil> ShadowJK: Unless you know all the rails are off
Nov 25 20:36:52 <SpeedEvil> LCDs do wierd and destructive things on partial power
Nov 25 20:36:59 <ShadowJK> had a loose battery once, screen went white then backlight dimmed
Nov 25 20:37:37 <SpeedEvil> That could be anything though - the LCD may be on, and the framebuffer clock stopped, for example.
Nov 25 20:37:53 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Nov 25 20:39:17 <ShadowJK> also my SmartQ has a powergate on the display that you can toggle in /sys/, and there it also fades to white (but much much slower than N900 did)
Nov 25 20:41:28 <SpeedEvil> Some are by default transparent, others white
Nov 25 22:55:35 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/kernels/20111125.1949_2.6.28.10-fremantle20103103+0m5_gcc45-00274-g0571aad/
Nov 25 22:56:43 <psycho_oreos> whats special about that kernel?
Nov 25 23:22:39 <luke-jr> psycho_oreos: GCC 4.5?\
Nov 25 23:22:46 <luke-jr> 76M     /lib/modules/2.6.28.10-omap1-gcc45-00274-g0571aad
Nov 25 23:22:48 <luke-jr> 7.5M    /lib/modules/2.6.28.10power42
Nov 25 23:22:49 <luke-jr> hmmmmmmmm
Nov 25 23:23:18 <psycho_oreos> ahh only built on newer GCC. but meh, pk42
Nov 25 23:31:44 <MohammadAG> Fucking bouncer
Nov 25 23:35:29 <psycho_oreos> IRC bouncer?
Nov 25 23:39:09 <MohammadAG> Yeah
Nov 25 23:39:17 <MohammadAG> Its been down for two days
Nov 25 23:39:32 <MohammadAG> And the damn iphone doesnt stay connected
Nov 25 23:39:57 <MohammadAG> Tbh, I miss the Nokia experience
Nov 25 23:40:05 <luke-jr> psycho_oreos: well, it's got 2.6.28.10 patchset too
Nov 25 23:40:09 <MohammadAG> Going back to my N900 tomorrow
Nov 25 23:40:16 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Nov 25 23:40:25 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: N900 XChat doesn't stay connected either :P
Nov 25 23:40:38 <MohammadAG> luke-jr: It does
Nov 25 23:41:16 <MohammadAG> Coloquy (iphone irc client) disconnects after 10 minutes of not havin the window active
Nov 25 23:41:36 <MohammadAG> Usually i like to keep irc running in the background
Nov 25 23:41:37 <luke-jr> not really. I don't have signal persistent enough :P
Nov 25 23:41:56 <MohammadAG> iOS is fun
Nov 25 23:41:58 <luke-jr> but srsly, why are my modules dir 10 times the size? :x
Nov 25 23:42:05 <MohammadAG> The tweaks are fun
Nov 25 23:42:15 <MohammadAG> But its too restrictrd
Nov 25 23:42:39 <MohammadAG> And autocorrect only works when you dont want it to
Nov 25 23:43:54 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: strip
Nov 25 23:45:00 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer: Family channel, I mean seriously... :p
Nov 25 23:45:02 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: how to strip .ko?
Nov 25 23:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, does it not work for .ko?
Nov 25 23:45:34 <MohammadAG> `strip`
Nov 25 23:45:43 <MohammadAG> It does
Nov 25 23:46:06 <MohammadAG> .ko is afterall a glorified .o
Nov 25 23:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> >>GNU  strip  discards  all  symbols  from object files objfile. ...<<
Nov 25 23:47:37 <luke-jr> I'd expect it to strip stuff Linux needs to load it
Nov 25 23:47:47 <MohammadAG> Nope
Nov 25 23:47:48 <luke-jr> surprised there's no "right way" to strip kmods
Nov 25 23:48:19 <MohammadAG> strip is the right way
Nov 25 23:48:37 <DocScrutinizer> well, I guess there's a linker / compiler option
Nov 25 23:48:58 <MohammadAG> It's what kernel packages use in build scripts
Nov 25 23:49:03 <DocScrutinizer> to not even create cruft
Nov 25 23:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Nov 25 23:49:36 <luke-jr> ?
Nov 25 23:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> cd /lib/modules; strip *
Nov 25 23:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> actually you may want to add some parameters to strip
Nov 25 23:51:06 <DocScrutinizer> I'm sure you know about man
Nov 25 23:53:39 <luke-jr> 'strip' by itself makes them unloadable, according to Google results
Nov 25 23:53:58 <luke-jr> --strip-debug reduces mine to 6 MB
Nov 26 00:00:50 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/Promotion/xiaomicellphone/default.aspx - interesting
Nov 26 00:09:46 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Nov 26 00:10:14 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, the picture has dualcore cortex A(
Nov 26 00:10:17 <ShadowJK> A8
Nov 26 00:10:22 <ShadowJK> which doesn't exist as dual core
Nov 26 00:10:57 <SpeedEvil> Details, Shcmetails.
Nov 26 00:11:18 <ShadowJK> doesn't mention pricepoint..
Nov 26 00:11:45 <ShadowJK> Aren't these hw specs kinda similar to highend samsung or lg now?
Nov 26 00:12:21 <SpeedEvil> Somewhat, yes.
Nov 26 00:12:26 <SpeedEvil> And price will be interesting.
Nov 26 00:14:56 <ShadowJK> Well... would they be able to go much lower than, say, HTC and Huawei?
Nov 26 00:15:36 * SpeedEvil orders too much from DX.
Nov 26 00:18:48 <SpeedEvil> Idly wondering from the perspecive of smaller makers perhaps being more willing to open up for small 'bulk' orders.
Nov 26 00:34:05 <ShadowJK> Well Cordia tried that
Nov 26 01:25:16 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: LOL, 4 GB disk
Nov 26 01:36:59 <psycho_oreos> any of you guys with American based N900 and you flashed using global firmware? I need to find out if your osso-product-info shows <unknown> for fields: OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME, OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME, OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION, and OSSO_VERSION
Nov 26 01:37:59 <luke-jr> psycho_oreos: there is no American N900
Nov 26 01:38:22 <psycho_oreos> luke-jr, I meant if you bought your N900 in US
Nov 26 01:38:34 <luke-jr> psycho_oreos: I forget where mine was mailed from.
Nov 26 01:38:43 <luke-jr> I'm not aware of N900 ever being sold IN the US…
Nov 26 01:39:04 <luke-jr> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_NAME='Maemo 5'
Nov 26 01:39:05 <luke-jr> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_FULL_NAME='Maemo 5'
Nov 26 01:39:07 <luke-jr> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='21.2011.38-1.002'
Nov 26 01:39:08 <luke-jr> there is no OSSO_VERSION
Nov 26 01:39:14 <luke-jr> oh wait
Nov 26 01:39:16 <psycho_oreos> luke-jr, apparently the owner I bought the third N900 from bought it from Amazon
Nov 26 01:39:16 <luke-jr> OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1.002_PR_002'
Nov 26 01:39:35 <luke-jr> Amazon is online :p
Nov 26 01:39:52 <luke-jr> OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Britain'
Nov 26 01:39:53 <psycho_oreos> OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='English America' as opposed to my two other N900 OSSO_PRODUCT_REGION='Britain'
Nov 26 01:39:53 <luke-jr> fwiw
Nov 26 01:40:14 <psycho_oreos> hmm funny that
Nov 26 01:48:11 <luke-jr> is the "bootmenu" package safe?
Nov 26 01:52:47 <psycho_oreos> depends on what packages you use depends on it to me its safe
Nov 26 01:54:56 <psycho_oreos> dbus can really be bitchy sometimes >:?
Nov 26 01:55:05 <psycho_oreos> s/?/|/
Nov 26 01:55:06 <infobot> psycho_oreos meant: dbus can really be bitchy sometimes >:|
Nov 26 01:55:49 <luke-jr> psycho_oreos: I'm just worried I won't be able to boot
Nov 26 01:56:31 <psycho_oreos> luke-jr, I suppose it depends on your setup. On my single boot (just pure maemo environment) I have no issues
Nov 26 01:56:50 <luke-jr> psycho_oreos: why would you install bootmenu on a single boot?
Nov 26 01:57:48 <psycho_oreos> luke-jr, I'm talking about fanoush's bootmenu which backupmenu for instance depends on it
Nov 26 01:58:09 <psycho_oreos> unless you're talking about multiboot or uboot which would be different imo
Nov 26 01:58:16 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: Like I care - if it can take 32G SD
Nov 26 01:58:19 <luke-jr> I'm talking about the Maemo pkg
Nov 26 01:58:30 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: 32 GB + 32 GB = 64 GB
Nov 26 01:59:38 <psycho_oreos> I don't know which Maemo package you're referring to.
Nov 26 02:01:10 <luke-jr> # aptitude search bootmenu
Nov 26 02:01:11 <luke-jr> p   bootmenu                                   - Fanoush's Boot Menu                                  
Nov 26 02:03:32 <psycho_oreos> yeah that's the exact same one that I was referring to, if you know about backupmenu by robbiethe1st, that backupmenu for instance relies on bootmenu
Nov 26 02:04:05 <luke-jr> so if I install that, I should be safe to reboot? <.<
Nov 26 02:04:35 <psycho_oreos> again I don't know what your setup is like so I can't say for certain.. you can try after you have created a backup of your setup
Nov 26 02:05:00 <luke-jr> too lazy
Nov 26 02:05:10 * luke-jr crosses fingers
Nov 26 02:05:20 <Macer> damnit
Nov 26 02:05:26 <Macer> i have to find out what ports this synology uses
Nov 26 02:05:30 <Macer> and if i can set up a relay
Nov 26 02:05:37 <jacekowski> Macer: what are you doing?
Nov 26 02:05:44 <Macer> setting up the mail server on it
Nov 26 02:05:53 <Macer> i need a real ssl cert
Nov 26 02:05:54 <jacekowski> 25 and 110
Nov 26 02:05:57 * luke-jr loves having etckeeper on his N900
Nov 26 02:05:58 <Macer> for ssl?
Nov 26 02:06:01 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 26 02:06:14 <jacekowski> and it's called TLS
Nov 26 02:06:24 <Macer> i though imaps used ssl on a different port
Nov 26 02:06:27 <jacekowski> ssl is obsolete
Nov 26 02:06:27 <Macer> 485 or something
Nov 26 02:06:28 <pabs3> luke-jr: how'd you get that?
Nov 26 02:06:41 <jacekowski> starttls is current thing
Nov 26 02:06:46 <jacekowski> and that works over the same port
Nov 26 02:06:52 <Macer> jacekowski: i see
Nov 26 02:07:06 <luke-jr> pabs3: I think I stole a Debian pkg, found a compatible git, and installed some GNU tools
Nov 26 02:07:17 <pabs3> aha
Nov 26 02:07:17 <jacekowski> jacekowski:~/pliki/RE# nc jacekowski.org 25
Nov 26 02:07:17 <jacekowski> 220 jacekowski.org ESMTP Postfix
Nov 26 02:07:17 <jacekowski> EHLO jacekowski.org
Nov 26 02:07:22 <jacekowski> 250-STARTTLS
Nov 26 02:07:39 <jacekowski> for ESMTP for example
Nov 26 02:07:44 <luke-jr> pabs3: the git was the hard part.
Nov 26 02:08:04 <jacekowski> you connect to server, introduce yourself and then server responds if it can do STARTTLS 
Nov 26 02:08:08 <luke-jr> git-core_1.6.6-1maemo1_armel.deb <-- what I ended up using
Nov 26 02:08:10 <Macer> jacekowski: that's on the synology?
Nov 26 02:08:14 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 26 02:08:18 <Macer> nice let me try it
Nov 26 02:08:20 <pabs3> luke-jr: for a second there I thought you were running Debian instead of Maemo :)
Nov 26 02:08:23 <jacekowski> if it can, you can ask it to enable encryption by issuing STARTTLS command
Nov 26 02:08:24 <Macer> so i just need 25 and 110 to hit the ds?
Nov 26 02:08:30 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 26 02:08:35 <jacekowski> unless you want imap as well
Nov 26 02:08:44 <Macer> i do
Nov 26 02:08:45 <luke-jr> pabs3: well, I'm working on switching entirely to Gentoo
Nov 26 02:08:50 <Macer> what port is imap?
Nov 26 02:08:51 <jacekowski> then you need 143 as well
Nov 26 02:09:04 <luke-jr> I have a custom Subversion-based "etckeeper" on Gentoo atm
Nov 26 02:09:11 <luke-jr> not happy with etckeeper's portage support
Nov 26 02:09:57 <Macer> oh lord
Nov 26 02:10:43 <jacekowski> hmm, what's the point of etckeeper in maemo
Nov 26 02:10:50 <jacekowski> when all shit is stored in ~ anyways
Nov 26 02:11:00 <jacekowski> all important user configurable shit
Nov 26 02:11:18 <luke-jr> jacekowski: I never replace ~
Nov 26 02:11:32 <luke-jr> but I do tweak /etc sometimes
Nov 26 02:11:36 <luke-jr> like the bluez config
Nov 26 02:11:40 <luke-jr> N900's default sucks
Nov 26 02:11:45 <jacekowski> it works
Nov 26 02:12:27 <luke-jr> does it?
Nov 26 02:12:36 <luke-jr> can you use the GPS over BT?
Nov 26 02:12:47 <luke-jr> no.
Nov 26 02:12:52 <Macer> damn rekonq sucks
Nov 26 02:12:55 <jacekowski> my n900 had builtin gps 
Nov 26 02:13:05 <Macer> it is like the thing that would be awesome if it worked :)
Nov 26 02:13:15 <jacekowski> Macer: well, chrome
Nov 26 02:13:20 <Macer> chromium ;)
Nov 26 02:13:29 <Macer> is there an official chrome for ubuntu?
Nov 26 02:13:30 <jacekowski> Macer: it's all based on KHTML
Nov 26 02:13:34 <Macer> i usually just install chromium
Nov 26 02:13:38 <luke-jr> Macer: I used rekonq for a bit.
Nov 26 02:13:43 <Macer> jacekowski: yeah but for some reason rekonq doesn't work well
Nov 26 02:13:45 <jacekowski> part of konqueror
Nov 26 02:13:47 <luke-jr> jacekowski: you're thinking backward.
Nov 26 02:14:01 <luke-jr> jacekowski: I want to use the N900's GPS from a full laptop.
Nov 26 02:14:12 <jacekowski> luke-jr: somebody made software for that
Nov 26 02:14:16 <luke-jr> so N900 needs to say "I'm a GPS"
Nov 26 02:14:17 <jacekowski> can't remember who was it
Nov 26 02:14:24 <luke-jr> jacekowski: might be remembering me
Nov 26 02:14:25 <jacekowski> but it's a phone
Nov 26 02:14:32 <jacekowski> not a gps
Nov 26 02:14:34 <luke-jr> though I never bothered to release it properly
Nov 26 02:14:38 <luke-jr> jacekowski: no, it isn't a phone
Nov 26 02:14:45 <jacekowski> so you are asking your tablet to lie
Nov 26 02:14:46 <luke-jr> N900 is more GPS than phone
Nov 26 02:15:03 <luke-jr> jacekowski: N900 should be advertising itself as a "mobile computer" on BT
Nov 26 02:15:07 <luke-jr> with GPS as a feature
Nov 26 02:16:34 <Macer> jacekowski: so just forward 25, 110, 143 to the synology and just set up the n900 with tls enabled and life will be better ? :)
Nov 26 02:16:47 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 26 02:16:56 <jacekowski> well, either 110 or 143
Nov 26 02:17:05 <jacekowski> you don't need both
Nov 26 02:17:07 <luke-jr> 0x7F0110
Nov 26 02:18:55 <Macer> jacekowski: you never know if there is a client with a broken imap ;)
Nov 26 02:39:17 <luke-jr> yay, Gentoo booting once again!
Nov 26 02:39:37 <luke-jr> … or not :x
Nov 26 02:59:03 <luke-jr> OMG
Nov 26 02:59:07 <luke-jr> total filesystem corruption
Nov 26 02:59:09 <luke-jr> x.x
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