**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Nov 29 02:59:57 2011 Nov 29 03:13:49 hrm, loading bq27x00_battery doesn't provide me with /sys/class/power_supply/bq27200-0 Nov 29 03:13:51 any ideas? Nov 29 03:15:17 powerkernel or normal maemo kernel? Nov 29 03:16:11 my own. Nov 29 03:16:20 fremantle + 2.6.28.10 Nov 29 03:17:43 fremantle kernel doesn't have the things in platform files to make bq27200 attach Nov 29 03:19:30 i c Nov 29 03:19:39 where are the power kernel modifications then? :o Nov 29 03:19:53 * luke-jr thought it was just a different config Nov 29 03:20:40 nah it also has the hostmode patches, some ext4 backports, overclocking patches and lots of garbage Nov 29 03:21:01 x.x Nov 29 03:21:13 is this on garage somewhere or? Nov 29 03:22:55 nfi Nov 29 03:23:49 also the meego kernel's platform/board files has bq27200 stuff Nov 29 04:14:19 anyone know if MMC_BLOCK_BOUNCE is safe? Nov 29 04:14:28 I'm worried it might make for inconsistencies when I crash Nov 29 04:25:36 Hey guys, I've got a windows 7 PC with a bluetooth adaptor, and I'd like to share it's internet/network connection via PAN with my N900 Nov 29 04:26:08 What's the best way to get my N900 setup so that it'll work Nov 29 04:31:20 hmm nfi, have you tried searching for how to share internet through PAN generically? Nov 29 04:34:58 A little Nov 29 04:35:26 I ran into some fairly arcane stuff for the N900(and definitely arcane stuff for Debian) Nov 29 04:35:48 But in the year since the topic was posted, I don't know if a better way's been added/found Nov 29 04:36:05 I suspect PAN is little-used. Nov 29 04:37:05 seems easier to just use WiFi hotspot Nov 29 04:37:23 Likely, *sigh*. I'm trying to figure out a way to get internet on my phone at work, and I can't exactly plugin an access point Nov 29 04:37:50 ad-hoc wifi *may* work, but getting w7 to do it right is hard. Also, easily detected by anyone with a wifi device nearby. Nov 29 04:38:27 Bluetooth seems secure, and hidable, and most people don't mess with bluetooth on such devices, so it seems perfect Nov 29 04:43:24 what about USB networking? Nov 29 04:46:00 Possible, but kind of useless as I'd be tethered Nov 29 04:46:24 It'd be so nice to be able to simply walk around, pull up information I need on my phone without having to walk to a PC Nov 29 04:46:33 true but its both secure and setting up shouldn't be too hard Nov 29 04:46:50 hmm Nov 29 04:54:33 i wrote a one-file solution to having a bluetooth dialin server (ppp over rfcomm) on my n900, if that's any interesting Nov 29 04:55:26 i use it for using the phone's internet connection with my notebook Nov 29 04:57:04 I don't know if that'd be useful. See, on my Debian desktop, I know I'd be able to work /something/ out. On Windows 7? Who knows. Nov 29 04:57:22 windows, eww... Nov 29 04:57:33 well I wouldn't know how to setup bluetooth PAN let alone doing it through windows. Though I'm sure setting up wireless networks through windows sholdn't be too hard Nov 29 04:58:09 i am not using pan, just ppp over rfcomm (which you normally use to use a phone as a wireless modem) Nov 29 04:58:22 this _should_work with windows just aswell, but i have not tried Nov 29 04:58:49 Honestly? It's a lot harder than it seems. Setting up ad-hoc networking is easy. Having ICS work and /not mess with your wired connection's settings/ on the other hand... Nov 29 04:59:16 heh Nov 29 05:00:10 then again with windows they should provide you comprehensive help, afterall you paid for the product no? :) Nov 29 05:00:18 In theory, probably Nov 29 05:00:26 In reality, meh. Nov 29 05:05:35 i find this a neat solution for sharing the connection at least... wonder if it's been done before... http://pastebin.com/e31gcMdi Nov 29 06:56:17 Anyone heard of remind? A reminder app, website is at macroporous resin Nov 29 06:56:20 column chromatography Nov 29 06:56:29 is at http://www.roaringpenguin.com/products/remind Nov 29 06:56:55 It doesn't have n900 port :( Nov 29 10:17:45 YES, my custom code to log what goes on between icd2 and the icd2 wlan plugin is in place and seems to be working. Nov 29 10:21:04 ~seen mohammadAG Nov 29 10:21:09 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (15h 59m 51s) #harmattan (15h 59m 51s) #meego (15h 59m 51s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 2h 30m 45s, last said: 'Pretty much seems like it'. Nov 29 10:21:37 mohammadAG: make some noise! Nov 29 10:23:07 now all I need is an excuse to go out somewhere and get more logs :) Nov 29 10:23:14 Aha, I need bread, that can be the excuse :) Nov 29 10:23:40 did anyone wrote a google music app yet? Nov 29 10:24:19 wouldn't you need to know the google music network protocol to write one of those? Nov 29 10:25:08 guess so Nov 29 10:35:01 this logging is telling me exactly what I wanted to know :) Nov 29 10:35:11 I think icd-wlan-policy is very much possible :) Nov 29 10:35:25 more logs are required though :P] Nov 29 11:33:38 vi___, ping Nov 29 11:37:06 uh, how do I press Meta on the n900? Nov 29 11:37:53 or for those emacs users: how would I do M-x slime without Meta? Nov 29 11:39:30 in terminal? i believe Esc is Meta Nov 29 11:40:37 Sicelo: ah thanks Nov 29 12:34:40 * jonwil loves how good his libicd-network-wlan plugin logging stuff works Nov 29 12:35:21 I am getting some good log output :) Nov 29 12:49:59 jonwil: how much space left on / ? ;) Nov 29 13:12:39 these logs are going into /home/user precisely to prevent that problem Nov 29 13:15:31 psycho_oreos: ya? Nov 29 13:15:37 psycho_oreos: uh pong Nov 29 13:15:42 psycho_oreos: whatever? Nov 29 13:16:02 vi___, lol checked the tmo lately or did any digging into bluetooth sniffing? Nov 29 13:16:12 Did robbie manage sharing internet over bluetooth through BT? Nov 29 13:16:27 psycho_oreos: I don't quite follow, what you on at bro? Nov 29 13:16:35 don't think so, but he hasn't responded Nov 29 13:16:47 vi___, gimme a moment to dig that link up Nov 29 13:16:56 I was wanting to do EXACTLY the same thing. Nov 29 13:17:20 * jonwil is looking for someone who can help him get operator-name-cbs-widget into extras (extras-devel I assume at first) Nov 29 13:17:33 jonwil: what does it do? Nov 29 13:17:34 jonwil: what do you need? Nov 29 13:17:45 vi___, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1130517#post1130517 Nov 29 13:17:51 Will it let me replace my operator name with my current ip :p Nov 29 13:17:51 I can write you the packaging stuff Nov 29 13:18:16 oh that one. Nov 29 13:18:45 psycho_oreos: I have one of those very rare BT dongles that have the CSR-ram radio. Nov 29 13:18:47 its a replacement operator name applet that displays both the operator name and (optionally) the current tower name Nov 29 13:18:57 all these N9 threads are pushing the interesting N900 and related stuff away lol Nov 29 13:19:15 I know, fuck n9 and the asswipe it rode in on. Nov 29 13:19:16 if the tower is sending one Nov 29 13:19:26 jonwil: is the original operator name applet locked by the mp-fremantle-generic-pr? Nov 29 13:19:32 jonwil cooool. Nov 29 13:19:33 vi___, I have the firmware for it which might work, but you'll need to know what to do with it. I might still have the bookmark somewhere Nov 29 13:19:35 yes it is Nov 29 13:19:59 psycho_oreos: is this somthing form the backtrack forums? Nov 29 13:20:05 Currently mine is using dpkg-divert to divert the original module Nov 29 13:20:27 que? Nov 29 13:20:29 vi___, the file? no but the idea came from one of the three M's creating the backtrack foundation Nov 29 13:21:33 jonwil, you are an unstoppable hack-machine. Nov 29 13:22:08 yeah I have a habit of coming into communities and doing good things Nov 29 13:22:16 My current project is to attempt to create a flashlight app that does not blow goats. Nov 29 13:22:29 (like the rest of them do) Nov 29 13:23:11 wow Nov 29 13:23:21 the roundcube webmail stuff on the synology is pretty niec Nov 29 13:23:30 i wish the contacts page worked a little better but still Nov 29 13:23:32 ok, so can someone help me package upoperator-name-cbs-widget for extras/extras-devel/whatever? Nov 29 13:23:59 jonwil, merlin1991 initially pointed out his interest Nov 29 13:23:59 :) Nov 29 13:24:32 vi___, just checked my bookmark hive.. no luck there :/ Nov 29 13:25:05 lame Nov 29 13:25:31 but I'll still provide you files so you can find your way from there :) Nov 29 13:25:42 psycho_oreos: you have my attention. Nov 29 13:26:06 I do have a soft spot for filez. Nov 29 13:26:19 lol Nov 29 13:27:12 well that brings up to next question, gonna find a way to transfer the file somehow across. I suppose you want the original file? (windows executable but once extracted will provide dfu files) Nov 29 13:27:35 how come there are Angry Birds levels in Ovi, but no Angry Birds? Nov 29 13:28:00 where do i get AB for the n900? Nov 29 13:28:16 psycho_oreos: jsut email me bro. Nov 29 13:28:18 it should be from Ovi shop Nov 29 13:28:25 juicedun911@gmail.com Nov 29 13:28:34 vi___, alright will do so :) Nov 29 13:32:12 psycho_oreos: weird. in ovi when i search "Angry Birds" it shows me only the levels, Bird Hunter, and Lady Geek TV Episode.. Nov 29 13:32:33 jargon-: lol, I dunno. Nov 29 13:32:46 jargon-: Just steal it from teh P-Bay. Nov 29 13:32:52 :-( Nov 29 13:33:00 jargon-: maemo is no longer a supported platform. Nov 29 13:33:16 :-( Nov 29 13:33:31 jargon-: I own a sygic licence. I have to pirate it just to get it to work. Nov 29 13:33:44 Fuck 'em all. Nov 29 13:33:58 Get an iphone Nov 29 13:34:05 angry birds is free, angry birds extra levels aren't though Nov 29 13:34:17 jacekowski: i'd rather stick my balls in a blender Nov 29 13:34:28 get an iphone and become an isheep.. win! Nov 29 13:34:41 psycho_oreos: it may be free but it doesn't appear in ovi Nov 29 13:34:54 android then Nov 29 13:35:00 jargon-, hmm I'll check in a second Nov 29 13:38:18 vi___, permission to pm? gonna send you the password for the file (am a bit paranoid) :) Nov 29 13:39:08 ok i think i've found the AB Nov 29 13:39:10 in ovi Nov 29 13:39:29 its listed as free Nov 29 13:39:35 encrypt it just to be safe Nov 29 13:39:38 you can find me on this channel as well. Nov 29 13:40:07 http://store.ovi.mobi/content/23158 Nov 29 13:40:17 psycho_oreos: yep,that's the one i'm on Nov 29 13:40:21 :-) Nov 29 13:40:25 I think he meant AB as in Angry Birds :) Nov 29 13:40:30 jargon-, there you go :) Nov 29 13:41:22 psycho_oreos, as usual, xchat highliting does it in caseless manner so I get notified all the time ;) Nov 29 13:41:42 Angry Birds and Apache's ab are the two most popular highlites Nov 29 13:42:01 vi___, bah! the file is 29 megs and it exceeds gmail's limit of 25 megs Nov 29 13:42:11 ab: oh, sorry about that lol Nov 29 13:42:26 ab, heh and hence causing unnecessary attention :D Nov 29 13:43:34 psycho_oreos, I would say unnecessary distructions :) Nov 29 13:43:40 distractions Nov 29 13:43:48 ab, or that Nov 29 13:43:50 destructions would be too much Nov 29 13:45:41 psycho_oreos: use ifile.it Nov 29 13:45:51 psycho_oreos: permission granted! Nov 29 13:47:23 psycho_oreos: or email it in chunks! Nov 29 13:47:51 vi___, was about to do email in chunks but its such a pita :) Nov 29 13:48:04 going through ifile.it route now Nov 29 13:48:58 psycho_oreos: there is no sign-up required. Dont be fooled. Nov 29 13:49:35 vi___, yup I have used ifile.it before Nov 29 13:49:53 MohammadAG: after a while I notice the modest hickups too, seems like in send and recieve or folder change (what includes a recieve) Nov 29 13:50:07 so a tinymail issue?! Nov 29 13:50:48 x-fade: ping Nov 29 13:50:56 vi___, http://ifile.it/watyz6b Nov 29 13:51:01 http://ifile.it/watyz6b Nov 29 13:51:04 ~seen x-fade Nov 29 13:51:15 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 1h 12m 50s, last said: 'Yeah, trying to find out how to do that best.'. Nov 29 13:53:40 psycho_oreos: Sweet moves bro! Nov 29 13:53:47 psycho_oreos: I owe yar one. Nov 29 13:54:05 vi___, no worries :) wished I had that stuff on bluetooth bookmarked Nov 29 14:06:04 vi___, ping Nov 29 14:06:44 vi___, was looking for some other stuff I found a offline copy of the guide on bluetooth, here is the link: http://www.seguridadmobile.com/bluetooth/bluetooth-security/building-your-own-Bluetooth-sniffer.html Nov 29 14:15:44 ~seen mohammadag Nov 29 14:15:50 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (19h 54m 30s) #harmattan (19h 54m 30s) #meego (19h 54m 30s). Has said a total of 17 messages. Is idling for 25m 27s, last said: 'Sorry, but looking at Nokia's situation my ass looks smarter'. Nov 29 15:16:23 hi there, does anyone have an example /etc/passwd that i might be able to look at? Nov 29 15:16:51 for the n900? Nov 29 15:18:08 RaeCarruth: http://pastebin.com/UrBj4Ba4 Nov 29 15:18:14 root password is maemo ;) Nov 29 15:18:34 thanks Nov 29 15:18:53 just out of interest has anyone here had any luck changing the default shell to bash? Nov 29 15:46:06 neal: I have a friend whose Khweeteur (installed from your repository) segfaults. How can he get an execution trace? Nov 29 15:49:05 RaeCarruth: lol wut? Nov 29 15:49:14 RaeCarruth: apt-get install bash Nov 29 15:49:35 as the default as opposed to busybox Nov 29 15:51:04 I dont think you can use bash as the system default or as /bin/sh Nov 29 15:51:07 because stuff breaks Nov 29 15:51:25 jonwil, i just found that out the hard way :( Nov 29 15:52:06 how do i at least edit busybox so i don't get that annoying text everytime i start the terminal Nov 29 15:58:57 jonwil: eh? bash is in the repository. Nov 29 15:59:11 just apt-get it. Nov 29 15:59:31 RaeCarruth: you would probably need to re-compile BB. Nov 29 15:59:47 great. Nov 29 16:00:05 RaeCarruth: come now, busy box is not such a ball breaker. Nov 29 16:00:35 Try linux mint, it comes with gnu fortune piped into cowsay everytime you start a shell. Nov 29 16:00:42 now that rips your balls. Nov 29 16:01:03 if it's based on ubuntu then it's bound to be loaded with bloat/fail Nov 29 16:01:52 RaeCarruth: truth! Nov 29 16:03:01 I am pretty sure if you just install bash, set it as your shell then you will get no more BB message. Nov 29 16:03:12 * jonwil is looking for people who have a N900, regularly connect to multiple WiFi networks (especially multiple WiFi networks in the same area or that overlap each other) and can grab some logs for me Nov 29 16:04:25 vi___ how do i do that? Nov 29 16:04:45 because the info i round online is false Nov 29 16:05:46 jonwil: I may be going into an area with multiple networks next week - when I go to post somethign - would this be useful - not connecting to them though Nov 29 16:06:04 nope, I need people who connect to multiple networks Nov 29 16:06:16 K Nov 29 16:06:25 I myself can see about 1/2 dozen networks around here right now Nov 29 16:06:30 oh, seeings as i'm here is battery patch in any way effective? Nov 29 16:06:42 RaeCarruth: holy fucking balls no Nov 29 16:06:57 i thought it sounded too good to be true Nov 29 16:07:07 vi___, i'll need your help over the next hour Nov 29 16:07:29 i need to reinstall all the wonderful things that allow me to take advantage of this blessed piece of hardware Nov 29 16:07:34 you up for the challenge? Nov 29 16:07:49 I perhaps am... Nov 29 16:07:58 However I hhave a vry busy schedule Nov 29 16:07:58 i need commit. Nov 29 16:08:02 :( Nov 29 16:08:11 RaeCarruth: what country are you in? Nov 29 16:08:15 uk Nov 29 16:08:43 well so am I so perhaps I can help later in the evening. (same timezone). Nov 29 16:08:54 i'd appreciate that Nov 29 16:09:19 although you knew 'buntu blows so you are most of the way there already. Nov 29 16:10:22 first of all bash isnt really that necessary. Nov 29 16:10:34 You find ash to be fairly feature complete Nov 29 16:10:51 Have you just done a reflash? Nov 29 16:12:08 yah Nov 29 16:12:21 i won't bother with bash if i can't use it as default Nov 29 16:14:36 the 1st thing to do after a reflash is a re-partition Nov 29 16:15:02 orly? Nov 29 16:15:10 that is make /opt 5-8GB or so and reduce MyDocs. Nov 29 16:15:33 how big is MyDocs by default? Nov 29 16:15:38 ...in your opinion. Nov 29 16:15:40 29GB Nov 29 16:15:51 NIN101: yes. In my opinion. Nov 29 16:15:59 ok, what's next? Nov 29 16:16:10 after that install Backup menu Nov 29 16:16:27 after that a kernel of your choice and fapman Nov 29 16:17:03 ah yes Nov 29 16:17:03 i had a different kernel installed Nov 29 16:17:03 can't remember which one :( Nov 29 16:18:10 RaeCarruth: doesnt matter Nov 29 16:18:23 kernel-power, is there a better option? Nov 29 16:18:35 ok, what's next Nov 29 16:18:40 Not so much better, just other. Nov 29 16:18:50 but for you, probably KP Nov 29 16:20:31 That is it really. Once you have FULLY reflashed (opt+root), repartitioned, installed backup menu, enabled extra+dev repos, installed fapman, installed new kernel. Nov 29 16:20:39 You make a backup. Nov 29 16:20:47 And put it somewhere safe. Nov 29 16:21:20 You can then start setting things up as you like safe in the knowledge you have a pre-made net to land on. Nov 29 16:22:12 from there I would start removing pre-installed crapware Nov 29 16:22:27 yeah - i'll do that from fapman Nov 29 16:22:32 oh Nov 29 16:22:33 cherry, amazon widget, facebook widget etc. Nov 29 16:22:41 ovi bullshit. Nov 29 16:22:45 done and done and done and done Nov 29 16:23:04 also, is there an office suite other than koffice that i should consider? Nov 29 16:23:12 when you have nothing left to take away. Make another backup. Nov 29 16:23:23 there is freoffice. Nov 29 16:23:36 Also the abiword+gnumeric combo Nov 29 16:23:51 Also openoffice through easy debian for the REALLY heavy lifting Nov 29 16:24:05 sounds like bloat Nov 29 16:24:36 However I would be hesitant to install yer appz till you have got a fully stripped down perfect backup to full back on so in the future you have minimum to do to recover. Nov 29 16:24:53 s/full/fall/ Nov 29 16:24:55 vi___ meant: However I would be hesitant to install yer appz till you have got a fally stripped down perfect backup to full back on so in the future you have minimum to do to recover. Nov 29 16:25:09 derp infobot Nov 29 16:25:13 lol Nov 29 16:25:25 which repository is back up menu in? Nov 29 16:25:35 not sure Nov 29 16:25:55 just enable development+extras repos and take the newest. Nov 29 16:26:05 and do you know of an sftp client? Nov 29 16:26:24 iirc it's in robbie's private server (backupmenu) Nov 29 16:27:06 sftp...there will be somthing Nov 29 16:27:07 MC Nov 29 16:27:14 midnight commander? Nov 29 16:27:17 :( Nov 29 16:27:20 midnight commander/wizard mounter or somthing. Nov 29 16:27:27 and gFTP, etc Nov 29 16:27:38 gftp doesn't do sftp Nov 29 16:27:41 what he said Nov 29 16:27:56 why the hell do you want sftp anyway? Nov 29 16:28:04 SSHfs all the way Nov 29 16:28:21 cos some of my pals are super paranoid and difficult Nov 29 16:28:32 btw, backupmenu is indeedd in repos Nov 29 16:28:44 my gFTP does sftp Nov 29 16:28:52 ok Nov 29 16:28:58 i need to look into that Nov 29 16:29:25 thanks for your input Sicelo Nov 29 16:29:29 yours too vi___ Nov 29 16:29:57 np Nov 29 16:31:05 infinite people have helped me into linux Nov 29 16:31:11 just payin' it forward. Nov 29 16:32:36 :) Nov 29 16:32:55 basically i learned all my linux right on this chan Nov 29 16:33:12 better to learn it here than in #ubuntu Nov 29 16:33:29 I've heard rtfm one time too often so I learned my linux mostly from google .D Nov 29 16:34:37 but rtfm is useful. just yesterday i educated myself about dnsmasq though rtfm ;) Nov 29 16:36:46 I educated myself about loads of stuff via rtfm, but sometimes you just hate the wasted time when rtfming for 1 hr just for 1 single line that is hidden somewhere in the manual Nov 29 16:38:44 indeed :-). Nov 29 16:39:38 which is the preferred weather app amongst you fine gentlemen? Nov 29 16:41:07 RaeCarruth: I believe it's hard wired into the brain, it analyses the data sent from a very sensitive input called eye Nov 29 16:41:16 ;) Nov 29 16:41:31 aren't you a comedic genius Nov 29 16:41:43 does your eye also predict the weather days in advance? Nov 29 16:42:29 no for that I've got an old device, it is not accurate but at least as accurate as other ways, it's called a grandmother Nov 29 16:43:03 no for that I've got an old device, it is not accurate but at least as accurate as other ways, it's called a grandmother Nov 29 16:43:10 nah I never bothered with weather apps Nov 29 16:47:08 RaeCarruth: I just have a link to the UK metoffice surface pressure map Nov 29 16:47:23 smart Nov 29 16:47:32 I even made a widget once Nov 29 16:47:39 with queen beecon Nov 29 16:48:02 It would grab the surface pressure charts for the next 72hours (about 6 pictures) Nov 29 16:48:17 and scrape the met office web page for the synopsis. Nov 29 16:49:12 It would then display this as a large widget on a desktop. Click on the lower right to cycle forward by 12 hours, lower left for back by 12 hours and anywhere else to go back to +0 hours. Nov 29 16:52:16 it turns out a great browser is the ultimate app/widget. Nov 29 16:52:28 opera ftw. Nov 29 16:52:56 Perhaps. Nov 29 16:53:08 the KB shortcuts are still shit. Nov 29 16:53:57 do they even work? i can't seem to use any one of them Nov 29 16:54:31 Sicelo: i dunno, i thought 'ctrl+alt+wtf on this keyboard? Nov 29 16:54:38 nae chance. Nov 29 16:59:36 Meanwhile: "An app that provides free USB tethering between your iPhone and your laptop has somehow made its way through Apple's approval process and snuck into the App Store. Cue feeding frenzy." Nov 29 17:00:00 These iPhone users and their weird pursuits never stop to amaze me Nov 29 17:00:12 free? Nov 29 17:00:14 eh? Nov 29 17:00:22 you had to pay before? Nov 29 17:00:48 wouldn't surprise me Nov 29 17:01:04 wtf is kernel-power patched on top of? :/ Nov 29 17:01:10 it's not vanilla 2.6.28 Nov 29 17:01:20 vanilla PR1.3 Nov 29 17:01:21 what is vanilla? Nov 29 17:01:27 kernel.org Nov 29 17:01:28 it is on nok kernel Nov 29 17:01:46 I know what vanilla means, I wanted to know what luke thought it meant. Nov 29 17:01:47 MohammadAG: can't be… the power patches includes the Nokia patches Nov 29 17:02:34 the fuck Nov 29 17:02:59 and the Makefile diff changes -power to .10-power Nov 29 17:03:21 so I guess how do I get 2.6.28-power? :/ Nov 29 17:03:44 * luke-jr loves how these debian dirs don't provide any clue where the origin is Nov 29 17:19:26 say I wanted to move my easy debian image. Nov 29 17:49:40 if I want to 100% wipe everything on my n900 back to factory defaults I need to flash "RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.41-1.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" followed by PR 1.3 right? Nov 29 17:50:37 ~flash Nov 29 17:50:38 hmm... maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 29 17:56:01 Jef91: yes and DON'T reboot inbetween Nov 29 18:01:24 ok guys, give me some of your favourite icon packs Nov 29 18:03:18 stock :P Nov 29 18:03:28 :nod: Nov 29 18:08:41 i really don't like the default icon set Nov 29 18:16:58 anyone know if simply uninstalling uboot disables it? Nov 29 18:25:51 Jef91: right Nov 29 18:26:30 merlin1991: this sequence is kinda immune against accidental intermediate reboots Nov 29 18:26:48 that'S why it's called "foolproof" Nov 29 18:27:19 merlin1991: sequemce rootfs+eMMC is not Nov 29 18:28:50 Jef91: no, uBoot is packed together wirh a kernel, so you need to isntall a new kernel to "uninstall" uBoot. Uninstaling uBoot most probably will brick your device Nov 29 18:29:12 ...by completely removing main kernel Nov 29 18:29:28 well it all worked out Nov 29 18:29:32 back to a stock n900 Nov 29 18:29:33 kernels are overrated Nov 29 18:29:34 if that'S feasible at all Nov 29 18:29:38 now I just gotta add the SSU back in Nov 29 18:29:49 if a device needs a kernel to operate it's a design flaw :colbert: Nov 29 18:30:07 :-D Nov 29 18:38:24 maybeHere: going back to mechanical iterration machines? Nov 29 19:00:35 hej hej Nov 29 19:00:58 babbage best age Nov 29 19:02:08 vi___: you still there bro? Nov 29 20:15:43 I bought a car charger (http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0043W14DI) for N900 but the bloody thing doesnt charge the phone. Nov 29 20:15:57 The only thing i get is twl4030_usb twl4030_usb: HW_CONDITIONS 0xd0/208; link 2 Nov 29 20:16:09 is there any way to make it to charge N900? Nov 29 20:16:33 short data pins Nov 29 20:16:59 Sicelo: the charger isnt very accessible. Nov 29 20:17:30 Is there any charger with normal usb port which works with N900? Nov 29 20:17:59 isnt very accessible? meaning? Nov 29 20:18:21 Sicelo: i cant open the charger to access the pins Nov 29 20:48:49 trumee: make sure it doesn't have iphone on compatibility list Nov 29 20:49:07 trumee: if it does it's not standard usb charger and won't work Nov 29 20:49:18 jacekowski: ah, ok. what compatibility should i look for? Nov 29 20:49:36 anything but iphone Nov 29 20:52:35 i think it is iphone compatible. trumee, u can charge via ShadowJK's script with that charger. dunno how well recommended the whole thing is.. at least h-e-n users do use it to charge while on hostmode, while N900 compatible chargers of course cannot, due to the shorting of the data lines Nov 29 21:00:42 jacekowski: seems there is no other charger except for iphone in UK! Nov 29 21:01:42 not surprising Nov 29 21:04:44 Sicelo: i have a nice Nokia DC-10 charger but its cable is too short for my car! Nov 29 21:06:48 trumee: i bought micro usb charger in carphone warehouse Nov 29 21:07:22 jacekowski: does it have a female usb port? Nov 29 21:07:34 Sicelo: that's not entirely true, as there are no Y-cables that run D+/- to the "power" USB plug Nov 29 21:07:58 no Nov 29 21:08:06 trumee: it just has cable sticking out of it Nov 29 21:08:18 trumee: that goes into microusb port in a phone Nov 29 21:10:02 jacekowski: i am hoping to get a charger with a usb port. Problem with a charge like yours is that cable length might be an issue. Nov 29 21:10:27 jacekowski: i suppose Nokia DC-6 might be the best bet for a charger like yours Nov 29 21:11:32 DocScrutinizer: prolly bad wording for me. that's what i meant though :) Nov 29 21:11:50 trumee: cable is long enough Nov 29 21:12:11 well, anyway Nokia chargers work nicely with Y-cable and hostmode-charging Nov 29 21:12:33 jacekowski: crap DC-6 is also 550mA Nov 29 21:12:42 all chargers are supposed to work with charger script Nov 29 21:13:26 jacekowski: is yours listed here? http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/phone-accessories/chargers-batteries/in-car-chargers Nov 29 21:14:58 http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/phone-accessories/chargers-batteries/in-car-chargers/buy/CPW-BUKCLA-MICRO-USB-V2 Nov 29 21:17:14 jacekowski: current on that one? Nov 29 21:36:08 will this be too stiff for the usb port of N900? http://shop.brando.com/mini-usb-to-micro-usb-adapter-w-on-off-switch_p04160c0006d001.html Nov 29 21:43:11 Seems like a bad idea Nov 29 21:44:41 is there any way to find out how current is N900 is drawing while charging? Nov 29 21:45:13 I have a no brand car charger which seems to charge N900, but i dont know at what rate. Nov 29 21:47:03 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption Nov 29 21:47:06 script at bottom Nov 29 21:47:32 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter Nov 29 21:47:33 ratehr Nov 29 21:47:47 with screen off, and idle, it's mostly accuarate Nov 29 21:53:33 * luke-jr has soldered his USB port down Nov 29 21:54:38 :) Nov 29 21:54:51 hmm Nov 29 22:04:10 pro trick: switch off charging for a short while, so N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter will tell you the consumption of device's system, then re-enable charging and att this value on top of whatN900_Hardware_Charge_Meter tells you about current going into battery, and you get the USB current Nov 29 22:04:44 s/att/add/ Nov 29 22:04:44 DocScrutinizer meant: pro trick: switch off charging for a short while, so N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter will tell you the consumption of device's system, then re-enable charging and add this value on top of whatN900_Hardware_Charge_Meter tells you about current going into batter... Nov 29 22:06:22 of course after doing: / Vbat * VBUS(5V). So roughly * 1.25 Nov 29 22:06:50 err, /VBUS * Vbat Nov 29 22:06:57 so /1.25 Nov 29 22:07:17 higher voltage on USB -> current is lower Nov 29 22:19:54 so… partitioning my new uSD… any reason to put swap first or last on it? Nov 29 22:20:07 I'm inclined to put it last so when it destroys the card, the boot sector is unaffected Nov 29 22:24:25 yes, you want VFAT first, if anything Nov 29 22:26:27 my card looks like 12GB VFAT, 3GB ext3 (rootfs), 1GB swap Nov 29 22:27:29 DocScrutinizer: eh, I don't want vfat at all O.o Nov 29 22:27:45 ok, took the plunge and shorted the D+ and D- cables, now the charger works Nov 29 22:28:03 sure, why not Nov 29 22:28:38 luke-jr: then you probably won't care much about stacking of partitions Nov 29 22:29:55 some MMC controllers in catd might take assumptions about location of FAT table(s) though Nov 29 22:30:01 * luke-jr makes a 5 GB vfat just in case Nov 29 22:30:05 s/catd/card/ Nov 29 22:30:07 DocScrutinizer meant: some MMC controllers in card might take assumptions about location of FAT table(s) though Nov 29 22:30:19 5 GB vfat + 25 GB ext2 + 1.2 GB free + 765 MB swap Nov 29 22:31:10 hmm, should allow to even boot a PC from card, when inserted into USB-stick cardreader Nov 29 22:31:10 so since I just stupidly wrote this before checking… what's the standard partition type for vfat? :x Nov 29 22:31:44 err wut Nov 29 22:31:51 numeric type? Nov 29 22:32:39 0b or 0c ? Nov 29 22:33:56 wtf @ "Linux Partition Howto": "DR-DOS used 0x81 to indicate protected FAT partitions, creating a type clash with Linux/Minix at that time, but neither Linux/Minix nor DR-DOS are widely used any more." Nov 29 22:34:31 0C Nov 29 22:35:02 and the free space is for my new swap once I destroy the end of the uSD… safe? :P Nov 29 22:37:01 luke-jr: sounds good, yeah Nov 29 22:37:21 anything saner than ext2 for Linux? Nov 29 22:38:00 for unclear reasons everybody likes ext3 for that Nov 29 22:38:21 might provide better buffering Nov 29 22:38:23 won't the out-of-order writing cause chaos for ext3? Nov 29 22:38:51 if only ext4-without-journal was viable on N900… :/ Nov 29 22:39:16 I heard it is and performs nicely, on powerkernel Nov 29 22:40:12 oh, they backported the journalless feature? O.o Nov 29 22:40:26 still, I'm too chicken to try it on such an old kernel Nov 29 22:44:16 ooops I missed the -without-journal part Nov 29 22:45:14 power kernel also has some MMC-write buffering thing, which makes a journal even more scary ; Nov 29 22:45:15 :p Nov 29 22:46:11 DocScrutinizer, which is the charging current, http://www.pastie.org/2941219 ? Nov 29 22:47:41 0x15 - 0x14: 2215 AI Average Current High - Low Byte 3.57 µV (1) R Nov 29 22:47:42 *3.57 / 20 = 396 mA Nov 29 22:48:43 DocScrutinizer, seems my wall charger charges at a low rate then Nov 29 22:48:49 * luke-jr still can't get the charge script to work Nov 29 22:49:14 yes, it's charging: 1 CHGS Charge State flag. A 1 in the CHGS indicates a charge current (VSRP > VSRN). Charging. Nov 29 22:49:47 0x09 - 0x08: 4138 VOLT Reported Voltage High - Low Byte mV R Nov 29 22:50:06 looks sane for a almost charged battery Nov 29 22:50:36 DocScrutinizer, yup battery is almost charged Nov 29 22:51:30 0x2C: 84 CSOC Compensated State-of-Charge % R Nov 29 22:51:34 :nod: Nov 29 22:51:54 DocScrutinizer, will test this with two car chargers i have later on. Nov 29 22:52:50 you won't possibly see higher charge currents with a battery that charged, no matter what'S the charger Nov 29 22:53:34 DocScrutinizer, ok. i will let the battery discharge for some time before i test it out Nov 29 22:54:08 My main intention is to use 3g + gps in the car which eats the battery Nov 29 22:54:21 :nod: Nov 29 22:54:38 yu'll need a 1A+ charger for that Nov 29 22:55:46 I've never seen a USB charger that couldn't do 1A Nov 29 22:56:18 well, CA-157 Nov 29 22:56:22 :-P Nov 29 22:57:26 err CA-146C Nov 29 22:57:27 does power42 actually have working kexec? Nov 29 22:57:49 I don't think so. Nov 29 22:58:01 :/ Nov 29 22:58:03 DocScrutinizer, http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0043W14DI is what i have Nov 29 22:58:18 anyone here involved with power kernel? Nov 29 22:58:26 DocScrutinizer, says 1A on it. Nov 29 22:58:28 or know where to find the pre-patch version it's based on? Nov 29 22:59:59 errr, isn't it based on maemo kernel? Nov 29 23:00:17 DocScrutinizer, isn't CA-146C energy inefficient? Nov 29 23:00:41 trumee: yep, just probably needs D+/- short, or a cable/adapter doing that for you Nov 29 23:01:08 CA-146, well it's "nice" but weak Nov 29 23:01:23 seems to deliver no more than maybe 500mA Nov 29 23:01:53 and yes it gets a bit hot on doing so Nov 29 23:02:43 for constant charging or when in a pinch it's ok'ish though Nov 29 23:02:56 at least as fast as a laptop USB port Nov 29 23:03:30 actually fastcharge is vastly overrated Nov 29 23:03:33 DocScrutinizer: no, power kernel has the maemo patches split up as part of its own patch-set Nov 29 23:03:47 DocScrutinizer: the prepatched source has EXTRAVERSION=power :/ Nov 29 23:04:00 well, then it bases on vanilla like maemo kernel, no? Nov 29 23:04:09 no, vanilla doesn't have EXTRAVERSION=power Nov 29 23:04:39 sorry, you lost me. I'm no expert here either Nov 29 23:05:29 I just know our hostmode kenel based on vanilla, with maemo patches and our own hm-patches on top Nov 30 02:20:40 yawn, this class 10 uSD doesn't seem very class 10y **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Nov 30 02:59:57 2011