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Dec 02 04:26:21 <jonwil> speaking of things that take time to compile, Gentoo seems to thing I need to rebuild binutils :(
Dec 02 04:38:50 * jonwil wishes he didnt have so many people asking for so many features in icd-wlan-priority
Dec 02 04:44:30 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 02 05:02:38 <jonwil> right now though I just wish I could advance operator-name-cbs-widget and get that into cssu-t or whatever so more people can use it and play with it :)
Dec 02 05:25:49 * jonwil wishes he could be inspired to work on N900 stuff...
Dec 02 06:17:07 <DocScrutinizer> to save time for any of you who might consider looking into thumb for "saving RAM": get chanlog of last hour on #maemo-ssu or simply believe me: thumb does not work on N900
Dec 02 06:18:59 <jonwil> so the OMAP CPU in the N900 is totally broken with regards to thumb?
Dec 02 06:19:05 <DocScrutinizer> I'm still looking for a reliable way to scan *all* fremantle binaries for thumb usage - if anybody can come up with a cmdline incantation to give a true/false result that would be much appreciated
Dec 02 06:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: basically... YES
Dec 02 06:19:53 <jonwil> so is the issue that stock N900 binaries contain thumb code they should not or that CSSU items are being built with thumb on by mistake or both?
Dec 02 06:20:22 <DocScrutinizer> that's the question, exactly :-D
Dec 02 06:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> either #2 or #3
Dec 02 06:20:54 <jonwil> so there might be stock N900 binaries that contain thumb code?
Dec 02 06:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> while I try to find out about #1
Dec 02 06:21:18 <DocScrutinizer> jonwil: tell me how to find out
Dec 02 06:21:30 <jonwil> what happens if we find a stock N900 closed blob with (non-working) thumb code?
Dec 02 06:21:31 <DocScrutinizer> not only stock but esp also extras
Dec 02 06:21:39 <jonwil> I have no idea how to tell if a binary has thumb
Dec 02 06:21:49 <jonwil> Maybe someone in the gcc or binutils communities might know
Dec 02 06:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> then we all do a magic dance to convert it to ARMel
Dec 02 06:23:21 <DocScrutinizer> I read the cmd to switch to and from thumb mode is some BX, however I never see that opcode mnemonic in objdump -d
Dec 02 06:24:48 <jonwil> maybe objdump displays something different
Dec 02 06:39:56 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, BX and BL both seem valid mnemonics for switching between ARM and thumb
Dec 02 06:40:51 * DocScrutinizer <--- idiot, should've made a copy of modest.launch when it definitely was thumb, for reference and test purposes
Dec 02 06:59:19 <Macer> is there a way to get the browser to use that zoom out grey space?
Dec 02 07:02:45 <Macer> it sucks when zooming out doesn't use the extra space
Dec 02 07:02:47 <Macer> for
Dec 02 07:02:51 <Macer> oops
Dec 02 09:10:26 <Sicelo> is it considered safe to do a dump of all my gconf keys, and modifying the resultant xml file, then reloading it?
Dec 02 09:13:40 <Sicelo> i have entries there from apps uninstalled a long time ago. more specifically, i want to remove entries in /apps/connui-cellular that belong to custom operator name wizard
Dec 02 09:25:56 <ruskie> Sicelo, should be
Dec 02 09:26:08 <ruskie> Sicelo, you should be able to just delete them as well I think
Dec 02 09:35:11 * jonwil is bored
Dec 02 09:35:21 * jonwil just cant seem to get inspired to do any more N900 work
Dec 02 09:38:57 <jonwil> done everything for operator-name-cbs-widget that can be done for now
Dec 02 09:44:51 <jonwil> cant get inspired to do vkb stuff either :(
Dec 02 09:52:06 <jonwil> wow, check out https://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman-applet
Dec 02 09:52:18 <jonwil> Looks like Nokia open sourced the PR1.3.1 version
Dec 02 09:52:57 <psycho_oreos> doubt it
Dec 02 09:53:12 <jonwil> they did
Dec 02 09:53:27 <jonwil> the code at that URL is correct for PR1.3.1
Dec 02 09:53:28 <psycho_oreos> oh wait.. you mean just the firmware upgrade right?
Dec 02 09:53:42 <jonwil> also read https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12388
Dec 02 09:53:44 <povbot> 04Bug 12388: Missing source code of certificate control panel applet
Dec 02 09:53:49 <jonwil> that bug explains exactly what Nokia has just done
Dec 02 09:53:56 <psycho_oreos> too bad they didn't bother releasing the firmware blobs with 1.3.1
Dec 02 09:54:34 <jonwil> that code at that git repo IS LGPLv2 source code for the certificate manager applet as shipped with PR1.3.1
Dec 02 09:54:55 <jonwil> what firmware blobs do you refer to?
Dec 02 09:55:30 <jonwil> oh and https://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman-applet/blobs/master/debian/changelog clearly says its the 0.1.4 version from PR1.3.1 :)
Dec 02 09:56:44 <psycho_oreos> tablets-dev.nokia.com
Dec 02 09:59:24 <jonwil> its good that maemo-security-certman-applet is open source now
Dec 02 09:59:28 <jonwil> Good for the CSSU for one thing
Dec 02 10:30:39 <jonwil> ~seen mohammadag
Dec 02 10:30:40 <infobot> mohammadag is currently on #maemo (3d 16h 8m 59s) #harmattan (3d 16h 8m 59s) #meego (3d 16h 8m 59s). Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 1d 17h 15m 45s, last said: 'icons is a valid plural, no need for an S :P'.
Dec 02 10:54:07 <lizardo> X-Fade: BTW (moving question to here where it is more appropriate). I see at least one package (found by "accident" which is uploaded to the "free" extras component, but does not look OSS (i.e. the source package is just a wrapper for the binary). Has been QA relaxed on this regard intentionally (due to less people working on QA for Maemo5 etc.)? 
Dec 02 10:54:32 <X-Fade> lizardo: It should not.
Dec 02 10:55:11 <X-Fade> lizardo: I guess that should be noted on the -dev list and then we need to take action.
Dec 02 10:55:33 <X-Fade> Not sure if the case you talk about is intentional or just a mistake.
Dec 02 10:58:43 <lizardo> X-Fade: my first thought is that the uploader didn't know about the difference actually, and wanted to upload to non-free
Dec 02 10:59:02 <lizardo> X-Fade: "non-free" sometimes sounds "have to pay" for non-OSS developers :)
Dec 02 10:59:22 <X-Fade> lizardo: Yes, that is likely.
Dec 02 11:02:52 <lizardo> X-Fade: anyway, I will send a heads up to the mailing list. Do you still have access to the repository servers ?  Maybe we can do a quick script to unpack source packages from "free" component and run something like "find -type f -exec file '{}' \;  | grep ELF"  looking for obvious cases. Unfortunately some maintainers may not be following the mailing list anymore
Dec 02 11:04:35 <X-Fade> Yeah, that can be done although that is a quite extensive job.
Dec 02 11:05:34 <X-Fade> We can write the maintainers if needed.
Dec 02 11:05:42 <X-Fade> Mail them I mean.
Dec 02 12:21:01 <fff> hi
Dec 02 12:21:08 <thresh> hola
Dec 02 12:22:35 <fff> hi
Dec 02 12:22:46 <fff> where r u from?
Dec 02 12:24:52 <thresh> thanks for CSSU and portrait mode guys. its cool.
Dec 02 12:28:55 <psycho_oreos> wrong channel to post your thanks, should probably do that in #maemo-ssu imo :)
Dec 02 12:30:03 <thresh> duh :)
Dec 02 12:30:10 <LaoLang_cool> hello
Dec 02 12:30:24 <LaoLang_cool> What's the default root password? I need to use sudo
Dec 02 12:30:50 <LaoLang_cool> I have no rootsh installed, because the bad networking, I can't install it
Dec 02 12:31:56 <psycho_oreos> enable R&D mode through flasher then go through via sudo gainroot
Dec 02 12:32:53 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: thanks, I will google how to enable R&D mode, I remember the R&D mode has side effect
Dec 02 12:33:35 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, it does but the side effects are somewhat minimal provided that you know what you're doing and you're well aware that you've enabled R&D mode instead of production mode
Dec 02 12:33:59 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: ahh, thanks for info
Dec 02 13:38:43 <Sicelo_> http://pastebin.com/kNsaAF4V
Dec 02 13:38:50 <Sicelo_> http://pastebin.com/x7LC1zra
Dec 02 13:39:30 <psycho_oreos> Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: kNsaAF4V | Spam Detection For Pastebin ID: x7LC1zra
Dec 02 13:39:42 <psycho_oreos> maybe also in the wrong channel window/tab too?
Dec 02 13:40:07 <Sicelo_> bad connectivity now
Dec 02 13:40:08 <Sicelo_> indeed.. sorry
Dec 02 13:40:22 <psycho_oreos> heh all good
Dec 02 13:43:15 <Sicelo_> xchat always beats me
Dec 02 14:06:59 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 02 14:07:14 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 02 14:07:17 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 23h 27m 25s) #harmattan (2d 23h 27m 25s) #meego (2d 23h 27m 25s). Has said a total of 97 messages. Is idling for 3h 1m 34s, last said: 'Mail them I mean.'.
Dec 02 14:24:16 <X-Fade> Pali: pong
Dec 02 14:24:43 <Pali> X-Fade, can you look at kernel-power package in maemo package interface?
Dec 02 14:25:35 <X-Fade> Pali: Ok, what should I see there?
Dec 02 14:25:50 <Pali> new versions v47, v48 and v49
Dec 02 14:26:38 <Pali> for all packages: kernel-power, kernel-power-modules, kernel-power-flasher, kernel-power-bootimg, kernel-power-source, kernel-power-debug, ...
Dec 02 14:26:39 <X-Fade> Pali: Didn't get imported?
Dec 02 14:26:55 <Pali> maemo package interface cannot see them
Dec 02 14:27:03 <Pali> all is in extras-devel
Dec 02 14:27:12 <Pali> and via HAM or apt-get is possible to install
Dec 02 14:27:23 <X-Fade> Pali: Hmm strage. Ok, need to dig into the logs then.
Dec 02 14:28:21 <Pali> and because package interface does not see them I cannot promote kernel-power to extras-testing
Dec 02 14:29:43 <X-Fade> I wonder of your new numbering scheme evaluates as being lower.
Dec 02 14:30:58 <Pali> prefix "1:" is for new versions
Dec 02 14:31:08 <Pali> this working fine for other packages
Dec 02 14:31:35 <X-Fade> Your new numbering is 2.6.28-10power49 vs 2.6.28-maemo46
Dec 02 14:32:24 <Pali> no, it is "1:2.6.28-10power49"
Dec 02 14:33:20 <X-Fade> Yeah, but epochs are not considered.
Dec 02 14:33:49 <X-Fade> At least not there.
Dec 02 14:34:26 <X-Fade> But I think I can fix this, let me try something.
Dec 02 14:35:11 <Pali> ok
Dec 02 14:51:37 <jonwil> Pali, did you see the source release for maemo-security-certman-applet?
Dec 02 14:55:18 <Pali> jonwil: yes
Dec 02 14:55:46 <jonwil> its good that we got it
Dec 02 14:55:56 <jonwil> but I dont see us (i.e. the community) getting any more source
Dec 02 14:56:16 <jonwil> (which sucks because there are great things that could be done with a few bits of source)
Dec 02 15:04:35 <DocScrutinizer51> feels like headache
Dec 02 15:08:34 <jonwil> what feels like headache?
Dec 02 15:49:03 <Pali> X-Fade, now I see kernel-power v47 on http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/
Dec 02 15:49:11 <Pali> but not last v49
Dec 02 16:55:16 <badcloud> repos down?
Dec 02 17:08:35 <luke-jr> [ 76%] Building CXX object plasma/CMakeFiles/plasma.dir/plasma_automoc.o
Dec 02 17:38:53 <badcloud_> repos down?
Dec 02 17:44:25 <badcloud> repos down?
Dec 02 17:45:12 <Corsac> please ask every five minutes
Dec 02 17:45:15 <badcloud> also, has anyone successfully used a usb joystick with one of the game emus?
Dec 02 17:45:15 <badcloud> sorry for possible repost
Dec 02 17:45:15 <badcloud> having connection woes
Dec 02 17:46:32 <badcloud> I'm trying to use my snes usb controller
Dec 02 17:46:48 <badcloud> recognized by kernel
Dec 02 17:46:57 <badcloud> but I can't find /dev/js0
Dec 02 17:48:23 <badcloud> but screen lights up when I press a button on the controller
Dec 02 17:48:23 <badcloud> I installed joy2key via easy debian but running it gives me "error opening /dev/js0"
Dec 02 17:48:23 <badcloud> any ideas?
Dec 02 17:49:54 <badcloud> Corsac: I already explained why I may have reposted. no need to be rude
Dec 02 17:55:21 <vi___> 125 MHz sucks balls.
Dec 02 18:02:45 <aholler> badcloud: grep JOY nokia_2420_defconfig
Dec 02 18:04:46 <aholler> would make me wonder if someone had enabled the joystick driver(s)
Dec 02 18:12:21 <badcloud> aholler: I found this http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2010/01/ps3-sixaxis-as-joystick-and-mouse-on-nokia-n900/
Dec 02 18:12:56 <badcloud> trouble is, usb host won't work with it
Dec 02 18:15:39 <Pavel> Well, it looks like after almost two years of use, my N900 USB port finally gave out...
Dec 02 18:16:02 <aholler> badcloud: read how to build a powerkernel amd just enable the driver before (throuh menuconfig)
Dec 02 18:18:18 * Pavel is pretty sure it's out of warranty by now.
Dec 02 18:22:15 <SpeedEvil> 2 year warranty in the EU
Dec 02 18:22:22 <Pavel> I am in US.
Dec 02 18:22:25 <SpeedEvil> Ah.
Dec 02 18:22:27 <SpeedEvil> :(
Dec 02 18:26:21 <Pavel> Other than finding another N900 owner, are there any good ways to charge the battery?
Dec 02 18:29:42 <Pali> Pavel: buying external charger
Dec 02 18:30:25 * valerius made two partitions on a microSD card. But someone constantly rewrites fstab -- how could I automount the partitions? Is that documented somewhere?
Dec 02 18:31:16 * valerius reformatted eMMC in ext3
Dec 02 18:33:04 <SpeedEvil> grep fstab in /etc
Dec 02 18:33:12 <SpeedEvil> I forget what rewtites it
Dec 02 18:33:22 <SpeedEvil> actually - search for genfstab.awk
Dec 02 18:34:03 <valerius> yes, I know, but some program always rewrites fstab -- all changes become lost
Dec 02 18:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> reread!
Dec 02 18:34:32 <Pavel> Pali: Any recommendations? There are some very cheap ones, but extremely low quality, it looks like.
Dec 02 18:34:43 <Pali> wait
Dec 02 18:34:49 <Pali> I have one original from Nokia
Dec 02 18:34:55 <valerius> ah, it's awk script -- saw it somewhere...
Dec 02 18:35:23 <DocScrutinizer> Pavel: Nokia 5800
Dec 02 18:35:27 <DocScrutinizer> for example
Dec 02 18:35:32 <valerius> speedevil thanks for reminding ;)
Dec 02 18:35:55 <DocScrutinizer> Pavel: http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility
Dec 02 18:37:12 <Pali> Pavel: Nokia DT-33
Dec 02 18:37:16 <Pali> http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/home-and-office/desk-stands/nokia-battery-charging-stand-dt-33
Dec 02 18:38:16 <Pavel> Pali: Thanks.
Dec 02 18:38:17 <Pali> I'm using Nokia DT-33 charger and no problems
Dec 02 18:38:46 <Pavel> I wonder if there are any cheap knockoffs that aren't so cheap as to blow up the battery.
Dec 02 18:39:53 * Pavel is thinking of this as a temporary measure to get data off the phone and shop for a new one... He is thinking of switching to some Android with one of the alternative firmwares.
Dec 02 18:40:47 <Pavel> I guess $20ish isn't too bad.
Dec 02 18:41:06 <Pavel> It's a betrayal, I know...
Dec 02 18:42:15 <Pali> you need also classic charger
Dec 02 18:42:30 <Pavel> Pali: Eh?
Dec 02 18:42:45 <Pali> DT-33 is for charing battery, but it is not charger
Dec 02 18:42:57 <Pali> you need to connect charger into DT-33
Dec 02 18:43:00 <Pavel> Pali: You mean the AC -> USB component?
Dec 02 18:43:18 <Pali> no
Dec 02 18:43:27 <Pali> DT-33 does not have USB port
Dec 02 18:43:35 <Pali> only Nokia charger port
Dec 02 18:45:04 <Pavel> $%#$^ proprietary connectors.
Dec 02 18:50:27 <Pavel> http://www.amazon.com/Universal-Battery-Charger-Output-PowerGen/dp/B003RPTEXO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top <- This one might be compatible too.
Dec 02 18:58:44 <Pavel> So ordered.
Dec 02 20:31:17 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 02 20:41:43 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 02 20:41:47 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 6h 1m 52s) #harmattan (3d 6h 1m 52s) #meego (3d 6h 1m 52s). Has said a total of 115 messages. Is idling for 5h 39m 7s, last said: 'Some backup/restore iteration, I guess.'.
Dec 03 00:10:33 <uros1> Hi all? is there anz way to install fennec nightly on n900?
Dec 03 00:11:23 <psycho_oreos> yes, a couple of ways
Dec 03 00:12:23 <uros1> Mozilla repository? Cant find anzy working...
Dec 03 00:12:56 <psycho_oreos> Have you actually added the repository and refreshed/updated it?
Dec 03 00:14:01 <uros1> Yes. After update no gpg key
Dec 03 00:14:18 <psycho_oreos> don't worry about no GPG key
Dec 03 00:14:54 <uros1> Ok then apt-get install nigthly ?
Dec 03 00:15:00 <LaoLang_cool> When enable mass storage mode, there will be two patition mounted on pc, can I configure it so only one of patition that I want to be mounted?
Dec 03 00:15:30 <LaoLang_cool> one patition is the internal Mydoc/, another is my mini sd card inside of N900
Dec 03 00:16:33 <psycho_oreos> first search to see if the package name actually exists as nightly
Dec 03 00:17:09 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, which OS is it on the PC?
Dec 03 00:17:42 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: windows
Dec 03 00:17:57 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, hmm nfi
Dec 03 00:18:05 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: nfi?
Dec 03 00:18:10 <psycho_oreos> ~nfi
Dec 03 00:18:11 <infobot> somebody said nfi was No Fucking Idea
Dec 03 00:18:25 <Macer> ~nfc
Dec 03 00:18:26 <infobot> well, nfc is No Fucking Clue
Dec 03 00:18:29 <psycho_oreos> ~botsnack
Dec 03 00:18:29 <infobot> psycho_oreos: :)
Dec 03 00:18:31 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: hmm!
Dec 03 00:18:39 <Macer> nice
Dec 03 00:18:40 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, I don't use windows
Dec 03 00:19:07 <psycho_oreos> there probably is a way with some program or something but I wouldn't know
Dec 03 00:19:32 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: thank you all the same!
Dec 03 00:19:43 <psycho_oreos> infobot, nfc is also near field communications
Dec 03 00:19:44 <infobot> psycho_oreos: okay
Dec 03 00:19:49 <psycho_oreos> ~nfc
Dec 03 00:19:50 <infobot> methinks nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications
Dec 03 00:20:46 <psycho_oreos> I so love this infobot, compared to other bots I can teach this bot so easily
Dec 03 00:28:14 <uros1>  no luck with repositories any alternative for fennec nightly?
Dec 03 00:29:31 <psycho_oreos> manually installing it through their repository (not the apt repository)
Dec 03 00:29:39 <psycho_oreos> there's a tmo thread on it
Dec 03 00:32:27 <uros1> Tnx too late here for experiment tomorrow.  Tnx anyway 
Dec 03 00:49:44 <mikki-kun> does someone know why the chat messages sent via skype are sometimes taking up to load +10 secs? is it maybe due to too many messages overall?
Dec 03 01:04:27 <merlin1991> anybody in here using an sd card as extension on maemo?
Dec 03 01:04:43 <merlin1991> I've created 1 partation on the whole thing and formatted it as vfat
Dec 03 01:04:53 <merlin1991> maemo still claims memory card format not supported
Dec 03 01:08:11 <ShadowJK> partition type?
Dec 03 01:09:15 <merlin1991> I just noticed
Dec 03 01:09:18 <merlin1991> it's 83
Dec 03 01:09:19 <merlin1991> FFS
Dec 03 01:10:21 <Macer> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-856856-start-0.html
Dec 03 01:10:26 <Macer> that reminds me of luke-jr 
Dec 03 01:12:50 <merlin1991> now it's time to try the current nemo
Dec 03 01:13:22 <merlin1991> ShadowJK: thanks for the hint, it was the problem
Dec 03 02:13:31 <godtrunks> How i see if my slide sensor is working???
Dec 03 02:14:09 <godtrunks> What command line i use???
Dec 03 02:15:36 <godtrunks> Some help pls??
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