**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 10 02:59:56 2011 Dec 10 03:02:03 DocScrutinizer: yes, I'm learning! Dec 10 08:46:05 Yay HP Dec 10 08:50:47 yeah, javispedro should be delighted today Dec 10 08:55:38 I think webos going open will be of benefit for open mobile OSs in general Dec 10 08:55:46 Lots of people like the WebOS programming interface Dec 10 08:56:44 it should also help anyone doing ports of other linux based OSs such as MeeGo to the various WebOS devices Dec 10 08:58:30 with webos going opensource, Tizen will be helped a lot with the HTML5 interface I assume Dec 10 09:13:40 hello Dec 10 09:22:49 ~. Dec 10 09:22:50 methinks ~. is not the escape sequence you're looking for. Dec 10 09:23:20 hiemanshu: Or itll become redundant Dec 10 09:23:52 there is no tizen Dec 10 09:25:10 RST38h: like there is no spoon? :P Dec 10 09:25:22 WebOS exists, has a hardware line up, is for consumers, and is backed by some sort of company Dec 10 09:28:48 it is? Dec 10 09:34:54 i'm calling it: libmojo for Maemo. Dec 10 09:35:19 ...to be installed just like you'd install qt Dec 10 09:36:42 it's practically the only thing making WebOS different from everything else Dec 10 12:33:52 moo ab Dec 10 12:34:04 RST38h, meh Dec 10 12:34:14 ab: freaking shit Dec 10 12:34:31 ab: are you watching this? Dec 10 12:35:16 RST38h, I was watching but we have storms and electricity goes off multiple times Dec 10 12:35:35 ab:Oh Dec 10 12:35:59 ab: ~100 kilobodies, according to the last police estimate Dec 10 12:36:28 doing some research regarding bt kbd. can it only be used for text input? Dec 10 12:36:42 bad: what else would you like to use it for? Dec 10 12:37:01 loading apps Dec 10 12:37:15 bad: you are going to type apps source code from it, in binary? Dec 10 12:37:25 no Dec 10 12:37:30 then? Dec 10 12:37:49 ummm, load browser Dec 10 12:37:54 media player Dec 10 12:38:08 control m. player, etc Dec 10 12:38:14 RST38h, according to Petrovka-38.org (GUVD), there were 20K + 5K around Dec 10 12:38:28 ah, you mean shortcuts for starting apps...no, the builtin software does not allow that Dec 10 12:38:33 ab: that is kinda dated Dec 10 12:38:47 RST38h, 30min ago Dec 10 12:38:50 RST38h: yeah, that's what I meant Dec 10 12:38:53 ab: was that ~1.5-2 hours ago afaik Dec 10 12:39:12 can all apps be loaded from terminal? Dec 10 12:39:18 yes Dec 10 12:39:54 RST38h, http://friendfeed.com/kukutz/2922a9fe/1012ekb Dec 10 12:39:57 ab: the police will also lower estimates, while particpants will raise them, so most news outlets I have seen tend to take the average Dec 10 12:40:13 ab yooooo Dec 10 12:40:16 hmmm, in that case, term + screen + bt kbd may nolt be so bad Dec 10 12:40:22 RST38h, I think there is around 40K, not really more than that Dec 10 12:41:09 ab: apparently more Dec 10 12:41:16 ab: 40k is just the square Dec 10 12:41:53 s/nolt/not Dec 10 12:43:08 ab: the real fun will start a bit later today when all these people will either go home or...well... continue Dec 10 12:43:57 RST38h, I guess they will not enjoy captures Dec 10 12:44:13 ab: I am not sure police will enjoy doing that either Dec 10 12:45:02 ab: Becomes kinda unpopular in the streets, plus they appear to be motivated to avoid arrests tonight Dec 10 12:45:04 hey, did this channel's folks already discussed a break through of our former collegues on WebOS liberation? Dec 10 12:45:33 ab: you mean it was due to Maemo folks at HP? =) Dec 10 12:45:55 ab: Was discussed here, I am sure javispedro is drinking champaigne somewhere as we speak Dec 10 12:46:10 ab: In spite of his N950 dying. Dec 10 12:46:19 RST38h, given that Ari, Jannick, and Leonid are still senior management of the Web OS engineering, they need to be congratulated, for sure :) Dec 10 12:46:47 ab: Let us see it all through first, to the point where they release the sources Dec 10 12:46:53 sure Dec 10 12:47:26 ab: If it is true, then Tizen folks will appear to get another, final egg into their collective face Dec 10 12:48:44 do you have anything on whatever you are discussing that is in english? Dec 10 12:49:06 r00t: I can probably locate something, why? Dec 10 12:49:31 i guess this? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16122524 Dec 10 12:49:36 r00t|home, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-16122524 Dec 10 12:49:38 was just wondering Dec 10 12:49:40 yes Dec 10 12:50:53 r00t: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/index.php Dec 10 12:52:14 Heh, Android has no slider preference items Dec 10 12:53:47 RST38h, let's see what license HP will choose for their own UI parts Dec 10 12:54:35 but the fact that at least three mobile platforms will use ECMAScript one way or another is for sure ;) Dec 10 12:54:56 ab: I do not see this as progress Dec 10 12:55:18 ab:Given how hard JS sucks and how difficult it is to fix it, because of its semantics Dec 10 12:55:26 RST38h, oh, that's not a progress but, again, a blow to some guys at T. Dec 10 12:55:58 ab: In fact, I start suspecting that this whole QWidget->QML move has spelled death for Qt Dec 10 12:56:29 RST38h, I'm not going to reveal my witnessing of that ;) Dec 10 13:02:33 ab: they freed up Luzhkov bridge, as it was going to collapse. no, I stand by "freaking shit" assertion Dec 10 13:14:34 grrrr Dec 10 13:14:45 why does my damn browser keep crashing ?? Dec 10 13:15:09 it does it once in a while when the history popup is supposed to come up when typing an address Dec 10 16:43:25 for some reason my n900 starts up with bt on. anyway to change that? Dec 10 16:44:31 it was off in bt settings prior to poweroff/on Dec 10 16:45:47 merlin1991 pointed me here ;) Dec 10 16:45:58 and you found it :D Dec 10 16:46:06 are there any chances fo quick uboot release for kp? Dec 10 16:46:32 ha I even know how to join a chanel;) this is something for a no irc user like me ;p Dec 10 16:46:51 merlin1991: what? Dec 10 17:14:16 hi. my n900 has had a few huge battery drains on past week. Any ideas what could be causing it? I haven't noticed any related posts on cssu-thread, but i don't what else to blame. http://i.imgur.com/zwXfI.png Dec 10 17:15:02 one time i noticed that hildon-home was eating all cpu. cannot say what made it do so but it just kept going Dec 10 17:16:40 omnomnom Dec 10 17:16:49 cpu is delicious! Dec 10 17:17:35 kerio, i love it as well. even better than ram Dec 10 18:14:01 hrmpf Dec 10 18:14:02 http://pastebin.com/AGE9cwGP Dec 10 18:14:20 MohammadAG: did you use QtMob1.2's Connectivity in Fremantle? Dec 10 19:27:16 is there a way to query dpkg for packages that depend on a specific package? Dec 10 19:27:34 merlin1991: I think only recent versions Dec 10 19:28:50 there's apt-cahche rdepends Dec 10 19:28:56 apt-cache* Dec 10 19:29:41 thanks Dec 10 19:29:44 thak works in maemo 5 PR1.3 Dec 10 19:30:48 I'm trying to trimm down my installation, what use is the rtcom-accounts-ui ? Dec 10 19:40:15 something you wanna keep for sure :-) Dec 10 19:47:59 NIN102: reason being? Dec 10 19:48:54 I find it funny that there are strict dependencies on i10n packages Dec 10 19:49:21 bah, "funny", I can't uninstall those I don't need Dec 10 19:52:44 it isn't actually a good idea to kill anything of rtcom*, as this stuff is essential for some functions of maemo. Dec 10 19:54:06 the question is: of which parts of maemo? maybe I can live without them Dec 10 19:54:21 for instance, I just deinstalled gnuchess Dec 10 19:54:34 of course, is not the same level of importance Dec 10 20:20:37 * merlin1991 can't find the package that is reposible for the ovi store .desktop file Dec 10 20:21:05 merlin1991: dpkg -S Dec 10 20:22:34 thanks again StyXman, btw you can get rid of all the i10n stuff and other things Dec 10 20:24:09 merlin1991: how? every time I use apt-get remove, it tries to take something that I can't decide if it's important or not Dec 10 20:24:58 true you can't remove i10n if you want to keep the app that belongs to it Dec 10 20:25:43 but? is there a but? Dec 10 20:25:56 cheat the system :D Dec 10 20:26:04 :) Dec 10 20:26:24 well, if instead of Depends it would use Recommends... Dec 10 20:26:47 is there Recommends support in maemo's dpkg? Dec 10 20:27:54 dunno Dec 10 20:28:10 but by cheat the system I mean you can always mess around in /var/lib/dpkg :D Dec 10 20:28:56 yeah, or plain simple rm Dec 10 20:29:20 or maybe better, change the size of /'s partition :) Dec 10 20:29:58 sure, shrink it while it's mounted Dec 10 20:30:15 not shrink, but yes, I know I really can't Dec 10 20:30:38 though I've heard that installing nitroid make a pretty good mess too ;) Dec 10 20:31:08 well, I can always but a µSD, put debian on it and play around... Dec 10 20:35:27 merlin1991: all the CSSU packages are in gitorious? Dec 10 20:36:25 yep all of them Dec 10 20:36:40 also all the cssu packges have sources in the repo Dec 10 20:37:04 What's the best way to sync the n900 with linux? Dec 10 20:37:23 Media Files and stuff like that I guess Dec 10 20:38:12 ssh? Dec 10 20:38:17 rsync Dec 10 20:39:09 How well will those integrate with the media player? Does there need to be a specific folder structure? Dec 10 20:39:30 I don't have any media on there atm to take apart Dec 10 20:39:48 and i'm too lazy to make a windows vm, rofl Dec 10 20:40:42 Trcx_: what exactly you want to do? sync what? Dec 10 20:41:13 I just want to get my music library on there and integrated with the media player Dec 10 20:42:50 Trcx_: wekk, just plug your device via USB, tell it to show the usb storage, mount it ir your machine and copy files over Dec 10 20:43:06 there is no folder structure Dec 10 20:43:20 the media player later will scan the whole eMMC Dec 10 20:43:27 Lol, thanks. I feel stupid now Dec 10 20:43:34 Trcx_: shit happens :) Dec 10 20:43:55 in fact took me a while to find how to properly do it Dec 10 20:44:19 for instance, while the eMMC is shown as a usb storage the media player can't acess it Dec 10 20:44:31 I'm in the process of switching over to a completely linux environment, coming from an apple/iOS one Dec 10 20:44:40 heeh Dec 10 20:44:44 welcome :) Dec 10 20:44:51 brb Dec 10 20:47:19 back Dec 10 20:48:26 Ya, it's virtually impossible to add music to an ipod. You have to create all kinds of weird folders, and register it in multiple plist(xml) files Dec 10 20:48:33 thanks StyXman :) Dec 10 20:49:12 Trcx_: and then you can use rsync to keep them in sync Dec 10 20:54:15 http://gizmodo.com/5866646/motorola-wins-europe+wide-sales-ban-against-ios-devices Dec 10 20:54:19 :) Dec 10 20:55:57 that's utterly crazy Dec 10 20:57:16 lulz Dec 10 20:57:35 patents in the current system are pure crap Dec 10 23:47:13 I can't access http://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/002/ with a browser? Dec 10 23:48:26 I don't think anyone can without knowing how to work it properly, and why would you want to access it anyway? Dec 10 23:50:37 I heard(so it may be BS) that the apt on maemo is modified, it sends some stuff to that server so it can access it. Needless to say this isn't very secure. Dec 10 23:53:40 needless to say you can just check out the apt package source and send the same headers from you pc Dec 10 23:54:03 exactly, needless to say... :P Dec 10 23:54:25 I am a n900, no you're a bruwser, But I am a n900, ah I see you have an n900 header here you go have your package Dec 10 23:54:26 :D Dec 10 23:54:37 even with all those said and then, its still not possible to simply just `browse' the repository at any rate from downloads.maemo.nokia.com Dec 10 23:54:51 nope not possible Dec 10 23:55:01 s/then/done/ Dec 10 23:55:02 psycho_oreos meant: even with all those said and done, its still not possible to simply just `browse' the repository at any rate from downloads.maemo.nokia.com Dec 10 23:59:44 nice Dec 11 00:00:07 so basically no way to make a mirror via http, for instance Dec 11 00:00:39 " I am a n900,(truncated)" <--- lol reminds me of that N900 video.. project: maemo Dec 11 00:01:13 no you can, pali and I figured it out.. though pali did more job :D Dec 11 00:01:19 /var/lib/apt/lists, there you can find what is inside, find out what apt sends, make a download script and download everything ; done. Dec 11 00:01:36 a hacked apt-mirror would've probably worked better Dec 11 00:06:49 I have the script, I'll just need to find out that extra thing Dec 11 00:07:19 there's threads on tmo about it Dec 11 00:08:52 I'll check later Dec 11 00:11:05 iirc it requires two things to get wget working with it Dec 11 00:11:33 one set of info is provided within each and every N900, the other is to ignore something Dec 11 02:20:03 there are some crooks who use judaism to cover their crimes Dec 11 02:21:28 and how is that related to maemo? Dec 11 02:24:14 pupnik Dec 11 02:27:36 took me almost 3 minutes to tell Dec 11 02:29:26 ugh Dec 11 02:29:29 damn synolgy Dec 11 02:29:35 wth ... their acl tool is undocumented Dec 11 02:29:41 i didn't even know it existed Dec 11 02:29:54 and their default permissions are absolutely retarded Dec 11 02:30:07 when you make a dir from the file explorer in the web ui the permissions on the box are rwxrwxrwx Dec 11 02:30:11 777! Dec 11 02:30:16 WTH?! Dec 11 02:30:22 blame china! **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:38:49 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:40:15 2011 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 11 02:59:57 2011