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Dec 11 05:20:40 <pugSk8r_> hi macer
Dec 11 05:21:06 <pugSk8r_> sickness surrounds you
Dec 11 05:21:18 <pugSk8r_> like a plague
Dec 11 05:21:21 <pugSk8r_> hi DocScrutinizer 
Dec 11 05:21:27 <pugSk8r_> little boy
Dec 11 05:21:31 <pugSk8r_> scared little boy
Dec 11 05:21:39 <pugSk8r_> you will die, boy
Dec 11 05:21:49 <pugSk8r_> die, boy
Dec 11 06:19:08 <pugSk8r_> someone stole something from me
Dec 11 06:19:09 <pugSk8r_> what should i do to them?
Dec 11 06:20:11 <pronto> you should kill them with bagels
Dec 11 06:27:39 <pugSk8r_> lol
Dec 11 06:27:41 <pugSk8r_> no
Dec 11 06:27:44 <pugSk8r_> i should kill them
Dec 11 06:27:49 <pugSk8r_> by cutting off their foreskins
Dec 11 06:27:53 <pugSk8r_> and sucking their penisis
Dec 11 06:27:59 <pugSk8r_> like the jewish religion commands
Dec 11 06:28:09 <pugSk8r_> aaahahahahahah
Dec 11 06:28:12 <pugSk8r_> :P
Dec 11 06:28:25 <pugSk8r_> shitheads
Dec 11 06:28:43 <SpeedEvil> You should investigate conspiracies! I've heard the jews control the kosher delicatescen buisness.
Dec 11 06:29:58 <wmarone__> and they do a damn fine job of it
Dec 11 06:30:07 * wmarone__ starts feeling hungry
Dec 11 07:07:37 <pugSk8r_> the religion is racist
Dec 11 07:07:43 <pugSk8r_> and it commands cock sucking
Dec 11 07:07:50 <pugSk8r_> and shit eating
Dec 11 07:07:56 <pugSk8r_> i rest my case, SpeedEvil 
Dec 11 07:08:03 <pugSk8r_> a shit-eating, cock-sucking religion
Dec 11 07:08:04 <pugSk8r_> hmm
Dec 11 07:08:13 <pugSk8r_> wow
Dec 11 07:08:17 <pugSk8r_> that is pretty bad
Dec 11 09:53:35 <DocScrutinizer> what's up with you, folks? are you willing to tolerate and ignore such behaviour? pretty please ping a chanop to stop this
Dec 11 09:55:16 <DocScrutinizer> esp when it's our old friend pupnik in a new impersonation - who already *asked* for a ban to help him stop this evil behaviour
Dec 11 09:56:39 <SpeedEvil> Sorry - I was feeling silly, and it amused me.
Dec 11 10:05:06 <aholler> maybe nobody else read it up to now, it's weekend when people tend to sleep longer.
Dec 11 10:05:44 <DocScrutinizer> tend to stay up longer, too
Dec 11 10:06:03 <DocScrutinizer> but maybe most of users still have a life ;-D
Dec 11 10:06:59 <aholler> that sentence doesn't say what life ;)
Dec 11 10:07:38 <DocScrutinizer> was actually my fault, should have kickbanned him at [2011-12-11 03:15:31] <pugSk8r_> there are some crooks who use judaism to cover their crimes [2011-12-11 03:19:42] <DocScrutinizer> pupnik  [2011-12-11 03:23:04] <DocScrutinizer> took me almost 3 minutes to tell
Dec 11 12:36:42 <badcloud_> which wedb browser is the most keyboard friendly as far as key shortcuts?
Dec 11 12:37:07 <badcloud_> trying to find something along the lines of conkeror/vimperator
Dec 11 12:37:55 <badcloud_> s/wedb/web
Dec 11 14:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> OT!  http://lists.osmocom.org/pipermail/baseband-devel/2011-December/002507.html
Dec 11 14:25:24 * DocScrutinizer loads a giant rail gun with a cake and fires it in Harald Welte's general direction
Dec 11 14:26:37 <DocScrutinizer> hope the parachute will open before the cake would land in his face
Dec 11 14:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> calypso nightmare lives on and on ;-P
Dec 11 14:46:58 <Sicelo^> ~pebkac
Dec 11 14:46:58 <infobot> PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair.
Dec 11 14:47:20 <Sicelo^> heh
Dec 11 14:48:07 <jonwil> I think the idea of a cellphone where every single piece of software running on the thing is open source is a great goal :)
Dec 11 14:48:15 <jonwil> even a 2G GSM featurephone
Dec 11 14:51:39 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, we'll celebrate start of mass production of first completely FOSS GSM phone, on the event where last carrier on this planet declares they will switch their last GSM band to LTE now
Dec 11 14:52:10 <DocScrutinizer> X-P
Dec 11 14:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> and I will utter a sigh of relief, as one of my nightmares is script kiddies and "young talented android developers" are messing with GSM TX and protocol, to implement bullshit that tears down whole cells
Dec 11 14:55:11 <DocScrutinizer> there is *some* stuff even *I* think better stay closed
Dec 11 14:55:33 <DocScrutinizer> if idiots messing with it was the alternative
Dec 11 14:56:51 <SpeedEvil> Shared spectrum is annoying.
Dec 11 14:57:06 <DocScrutinizer> look, here in real europe (minus bloody GB) you mustn't even drive a car on publoc streets that hasn't passed a very tough test to ensure it's reliable and safe to operate
Dec 11 14:57:52 <DocScrutinizer> you even got madatory ensurance
Dec 11 14:59:47 <SpeedEvil> Germany has atypically tough tests.
Dec 11 15:00:24 <aholler> we also will get mandatory helmets for pedestrians soon too ...
Dec 11 15:00:37 <dm8tbr> there is a reason you need a licence to transmit RF, which is contingent on passing tests in certified labs
Dec 11 15:02:35 <aholler> it's a matter of time until a politican or a bureaucrat gets the idea.
Dec 11 15:07:42 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: a locked-down cellmo would be fine if it was flexible enough
Dec 11 15:09:05 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: and this tough test is even exported to turky and other countries all over the world, not only for cars but also for all other kinds of technical systems
Dec 11 15:09:14 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: for instance, telling it to shut the hell up when you want to suspend-to-ram
Dec 11 15:11:23 <chem|st> aholler: I cant remember the state (mi wi ca or ms) they dropped the mandatory helmet for motorcycles, 2 years later they where wondering why the death by accidents raised
Dec 11 15:12:11 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: easy: shut it down, as that'S the only thing to do anyway when you want it to shut up
Dec 11 15:14:01 <aholler> chem|st: so you prefer dying by getting bored to death with 110?
Dec 11 15:14:16 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: but you've got a point actually - flexibility comes from proper interface specs (aka API) raher than FOSS firmware for subsystems
Dec 11 15:14:57 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: well, having the source to figure out what the API actually do rather than what they claim to do is better
Dec 11 15:15:13 <DocScrutinizer> not necessarily
Dec 11 15:15:48 <DocScrutinizer> sometimes it's better to have good specs you can hit the manufs with when their firmware doesn't comply
Dec 11 15:18:09 <DocScrutinizer> no FOSS source of the zillion HDD firmwares would have made a better interface than SATA
Dec 11 15:19:29 <chem|st> aholler: I like my helmet... and won't drive without
Dec 11 15:19:33 <DocScrutinizer> and honestly I'm not a tiny bit interested in how Hitachi drives their stepper motors and implements their DSP filters for the GMR heads' readout in their HDD
Dec 11 15:19:55 <chem|st> or ride without, on a race track I wear it in my car too...
Dec 11 15:20:07 <DocScrutinizer> similarly I'm not interested in how TI or Nokia implemented power savings in their BB
Dec 11 15:20:57 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: hit them with usb3 specs as well pls
Dec 11 15:21:34 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: but knowing is half the battle!
Dec 11 15:21:43 <jonwil> I dont care about the baseband in my N900
Dec 11 15:21:55 <chem|st> Jade: your autojoin script is the wrong way raound
Dec 11 15:22:19 <jonwil> I care about the many bits of userland code that are closed source and in need of an open source replacement :P
Dec 11 15:24:17 <aholler> chem|st: so wear it everytime, just think about all accidents all the pedestrians had without wearing an helmet. anyway, I've not wanted to talk about wearing a helmet or not ...
Dec 11 15:26:55 <aholler> it should have been a cynical comment about all the stupid rules and laws with which we are tortured every day
Dec 11 15:28:14 <jonwil> oh great, I go to run an emerge pass on my Gentoo box and it looks like its going to emerge ALL of KDE because of a new build :(
Dec 11 15:28:21 <jonwil> God KDE takes FOREVER to build :P
Dec 11 15:28:23 <aholler> e.g. a company here just made the rule that it is forbidden to use a mobile when walking.
Dec 11 15:28:44 <aholler> because one had an accident while walking and using a mobile phone ...
Dec 11 15:29:18 <aholler> so someone thought a rule is needed ...
Dec 11 15:31:37 <StyXman> jonwil: qt and kdelibs can kill one afternoon with their bare hands :)
Dec 11 15:33:13 <jonwil> heh, on an old Pentium 4 1.4GHz it can take a few days to emerge everything when there is a QT/KDE version bump
Dec 11 15:33:57 <aholler> thats why multitasking got inventied
Dec 11 15:34:33 <jonwil> WOAH, 259 packages to emerge... WOW thats a lot
Dec 11 15:34:51 <jonwil> aha, the first one it wants is glibc
Dec 11 15:34:59 <jonwil> which of course then causes half the system to be rebuilt :P
Dec 11 15:35:34 <neal> s/n approaching 0
Dec 11 15:36:08 <StyXman> jonwil: my condolences
Dec 11 15:36:22 <jonwil> getting back on topic, I still cant get inspired to work on anything more for the N900
Dec 11 15:36:52 <jonwil> Cant get anywhere with the Google Transit stuff I want
Dec 11 15:37:21 <jonwil> or icd-wlan-priority
Dec 11 15:37:34 <jonwil> operator-name-cbs-widget is as complete as it can get at this point
Dec 11 15:38:28 <jonwil> only way it could get better is if a miracle occurred and Nokia released source for connui-home-cellular
Dec 11 15:38:41 <jonwil> but that's never going to happen :(
Dec 11 15:41:45 <neal> jonwil: If you are not scratching your own itch, you are not going to remain motivated very long.
Dec 11 15:42:22 <jonwil> Well the things I am working on are things that interest me but I just cant get anywhere with them
Dec 11 15:42:34 <jonwil> because of all the closed code and interfaces that keep getting in my way
Dec 11 15:42:37 <neal> then may be you should try something easier
Dec 11 15:42:51 <jonwil> nothing easy that I have any interest in
Dec 11 15:42:58 <neal> then get a gta04
Dec 11 15:43:16 <jonwil> cant afford a new device right now
Dec 11 15:43:29 <jonwil> This N900 has to last me until it breaks
Dec 11 15:45:34 <jonwil> At least people seem to appreciate my vkb tools
Dec 11 15:48:52 <neal> for someone who is not earning any money from these activities, you are too concerned about what other people think, IMO
Dec 11 15:49:09 <jonwil> :P
Dec 11 17:14:46 <badcloud_> is there anything similar to conkeror or vimperator for the n900?
Dec 11 17:22:50 <DocScrutinizer> what's that?
Dec 11 17:23:09 <DocScrutinizer> I know a browser named Konqueror
Dec 11 17:24:01 <DocScrutinizer> then there's some system monitor thingie iirc called conky
Dec 11 17:31:37 <badcloud_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conkeror
Dec 11 17:45:51 <DocScrutinizer> mhm
Dec 11 18:18:48 <StyXman> is there any way to disable the «spalsh screen» (for calling it somehow)?
Dec 11 18:19:03 <StyXman> I would like to see the boot messages, if possible
Dec 11 18:19:33 <NIN101> your kernel needs framebuffer console support
Dec 11 18:21:17 <NIN101> power kernel ships the module,  so one way would be to insert "modprobe fbcon" at the end of the init_system() funciton in /sbin/preinit
Dec 11 18:23:02 <StyXman> ok
Dec 11 18:23:05 <StyXman> tx
Dec 11 19:18:38 <orangey> hello all!
Dec 11 19:18:58 <orangey> I just got a data plan for my 3g (no phone)
Dec 11 19:19:08 <orangey> Is there a way to make it turn off 3g whenever I'm on wifi automatically
Dec 11 19:19:38 <orangey> i guess I would need to find out where the network down command is for wifi
Dec 11 19:19:51 <orangey> rather, for my n900!
Dec 11 19:38:42 <orangey> sweet!
Dec 11 19:38:46 <orangey> package: phone-control
Dec 11 19:38:52 <orangey> with a bit of net magic
Dec 11 22:28:10 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Dec 11 22:35:52 <Macer> wtf
Dec 11 22:35:58 <Macer> talk about freenode issues
Dec 11 23:34:49 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: what?
Dec 12 00:12:11 <Macer> freenode was having upgrades
Dec 12 00:12:19 <Macer> or something
Dec 12 00:38:09 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, usual since a few weeks. Standard proceedure on weekends
Dec 12 00:39:27 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-12-11 23:11:50] [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone. Tonight should be our final night of upgrades of ircd-seven for the time being. The servers affected today are card, asimov, and verne. There'll be large netsplits. If you're on a server which will restart, I'll send you a message in a moment. Enjoy the ride - duration about 30 mins! :)
Dec 12 00:39:42 <DocScrutinizer> seems we're done with it
Dec 12 00:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> and this time even apt and infobot came back up
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