**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 17 02:59:57 2011 Dec 17 06:04:17 yay, ofono 1.0 working on Gentoo/N900 Dec 17 06:04:24 including dialing voice calls Dec 17 06:05:30 and IPv6 and texting Dec 17 06:17:40 # /etc/init.d/net.gprs0 start Dec 17 06:17:42 * Starting oFono ... [ ok ] Dec 17 06:17:44 * Bringing up interface gprs0 Dec 17 06:17:45 * Powering on modem '/n9000' ... Dec 17 06:17:47 * Setting modem '/n9000' online ... Dec 17 06:17:48 * Activating context ... Dec 17 06:17:50 * 2607:fb90:400:91ab:0:24:2e6c:d501 ... [ ok ] Dec 17 06:17:51 * Adding routes Dec 17 06:17:53 * default metric 4000 ... [ ok ] Dec 17 06:17:54 I win? Dec 17 06:21:31 ya Dec 17 06:21:50 Congrats! Dec 17 06:22:08 * luke-jr wonders how to actually do audio for voice calls Dec 17 06:22:52 Good luck with that! Dec 17 06:23:02 >_< Dec 17 06:23:06 Thenightmare that is pulseaudio withbinary bits. Dec 17 06:23:14 no way. I won't touch PA Dec 17 06:23:24 Or are the bits non-binary? Dec 17 06:23:41 I'm unsure it's possible to do analog audio at all. Dec 17 06:24:03 well, digital audio then :p Dec 17 06:25:24 guss you have to figure out if there are any analog lines between cellmo and omap Dec 17 06:25:36 I don't believe htere are. Dec 17 06:25:45 But it's been a little while since I looked. Dec 17 06:25:49 And you can't do that. Dec 17 06:25:58 It'd need to be between cellmo and wolfson Dec 17 06:26:00 err Dec 17 06:26:05 the audio codec Dec 17 06:26:13 … Dec 17 06:26:16 As omap has no DAC Dec 17 06:26:31 how can there *not* be? Dec 17 06:26:39 What do you mean? Dec 17 06:26:55 phone calls can use speakers, headset, bluetooth at least Dec 17 06:27:00 didn't someone get Asterisk too? Dec 17 06:27:07 The communication with the modem is entirely digital, and the normal means of communication audibly is packetised digital audio. Dec 17 06:27:17 ok? Dec 17 06:27:22 digital is fine Dec 17 06:27:28 Which pulseaudio handles, and feeds out to the codec Dec 17 06:27:44 I never said it had to be analog Dec 17 06:27:47 It does not normally go through the 'audio' side at all inherently. Dec 17 06:28:03 I was answering ShadowJK's comment. Dec 17 06:28:59 o Dec 17 06:29:16 SpeedEvil: do I need to use the DSP for sure? Dec 17 06:29:28 Not as far as I'm aware. Dec 17 06:29:31 cool Dec 17 06:29:50 I haven't gone into the software side. Dec 17 06:29:59 I don't think pulseaudio uses theDSP at all for that. Dec 17 07:06:00 anyone know of a youtube dl/converter which writes mp3 tags according to video info? Dec 17 07:08:56 … Dec 17 07:10:40 luke-jr: that's a 'no' ;) Dec 17 07:10:54 that's a "YouTube is video. MP3 is audio. wtf?" Dec 17 07:12:12 luke-jr: when *converting* vid to mp3 Dec 17 07:12:26 you don't convert video to audio. Dec 17 07:12:29 read between the lines Dec 17 07:12:41 extract Dec 17 07:13:24 extract audio then convert (if necessary) to mp3 Dec 17 07:14:00 part of the problem with writing MP3 ID3 tags out from ripped Youtube streams is that sometimes the title of the video has artist and song name in the wrong order or contains rubbish data streams. So in short no Dec 17 07:14:08 don't get hung up on semantics Dec 17 07:14:30 psycho_oreos: thanks Dec 17 07:15:19 badcloud_, you could put if you like put forward a suggestion with the developer behind things like cutetube for instance. Dec 17 10:16:07 my camera croupetd. when I open camera I got Operation Failed and closed Dec 17 10:16:57 is it hardware problem? Dec 17 10:20:38 Have you recenrly installed power kernekl? Dec 17 10:21:18 no Dec 17 10:21:19 nothing Dec 17 10:21:30 not even fcam? Dec 17 10:21:40 I also re flash and format 32GB Dec 17 10:22:01 you meant 27GB and that is only eMMC Dec 17 10:22:03 noting I wanted to use camera yesterday and I got that error Dec 17 10:22:07 yes Dec 17 10:22:13 that's it Dec 17 10:22:20 you haven't flashed fiasco Dec 17 10:22:38 hmm I don't know . I just installed again mameo Dec 17 10:22:51 and format 27GB after plug to computer Dec 17 10:22:57 what shall I do? Dec 17 10:23:01 flashing eMMC does not entail complete flashing Dec 17 10:23:12 what flash should I do? Dec 17 10:23:21 the combined firmware Dec 17 10:23:41 and if not flash when using maemo flasher when we install maemo pr 1.3 ? Dec 17 10:23:52 doesn't flash automatically ? Dec 17 10:24:13 that's not the same as flashing, that's doing OTA updates Dec 17 10:24:43 it will bring the device up to the same version (in fact more recent than the firmwares provided) but its again not the same as flashing. Dec 17 10:24:52 my phone drom down yesterday . is it possible hardware problem ? Dec 17 10:25:01 hmm Dec 17 10:25:04 what exactly is drom? Dec 17 10:25:10 you dropped it? Dec 17 10:25:20 dorped down Dec 17 10:25:46 that didn't make sense Dec 17 10:26:09 so flash everything ? Dec 17 10:26:42 how should I do it? Dec 17 10:26:50 low level flash Dec 17 10:27:34 if you have dropped your device, depending on what sort of hardware protection the device has, and how high the device has been dropped from, what sort of material makes for the ground that the device was dropped on. If its a hard surface (i.e. usually the ground) anything could be damaged with the N900 Dec 17 10:27:42 ~flashing Dec 17 10:27:43 it has been said that maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 17 10:28:34 Flashing only the kernel from a FIASCO image ? Dec 17 10:28:57 no.. I would completely reflash your device.. i.e. both COMBINED and eMMC Dec 17 10:29:21 I did it sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R before Dec 17 10:29:44 though there's no guarantees that reflashing would actually aid in rectifying your camera issue should it be an actual hardware that is physically damaged Dec 17 10:30:00 what exactly was the command parameter? Dec 17 10:30:01 hmm Dec 17 10:30:04 so wafter that Dec 17 10:30:33 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Dec 17 10:30:47 I run it Dec 17 10:31:03 so after that I should send my device for repare ? Dec 17 10:31:16 normally you flash eMMC before you flash combined Dec 17 10:31:54 hmm Dec 17 10:32:14 well if reflashing properly fails to rectify the problem (without installing any extra programs as such) you pretty much don't have a choice but to get it repaired.. though I would suggest you to flick through a fair few tmo threads with N900 owners having their device replaced with some other random device Dec 17 10:32:29 that is should you go through nokia care Dec 17 10:34:21 hmm Dec 17 10:34:46 what should I download from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 ?? Dec 17 10:35:24 the latest dated eMMC content Dec 17 10:36:23 and what is curent version of my emmc on my phone ? eMMC content 1.2009.41-1 ? Dec 17 10:36:52 N900 is not a phone, and it does not matter what is your current version of your eMMC on your N900 Dec 17 10:37:05 hmm Dec 17 13:30:21 psycho_oreos: I flashed everything doesn't solve :-( Dec 17 14:20:56 hmm, he left Dec 17 14:21:02 :-/ Dec 17 15:08:24 ping X-Fade Dec 17 15:08:37 ~seen X-Fade Dec 17 15:08:39 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 2d 23h 8m 8s, last said: 'pawky: yes'. Dec 17 16:59:58 is maemo a Linux tablet OS? Dec 17 17:23:37 matt23: maemo is a busybox/gnu/linux OS that works on phone(s) and probably tablets, yes Dec 17 17:25:28 why probably tablets? Dec 17 17:25:40 is there a linux, not android, tablet? Dec 17 17:25:45 well, I never saw it running in anything but a n900 Dec 17 17:26:29 it is pure linux, with even apt- from debian and ubuntu fame Dec 17 17:26:48 porting existing software is rather painless Dec 17 17:27:13 has perl and python, gtk and qt Dec 17 17:27:52 awesome. Dec 17 17:27:58 does it come native on any tabletS? Dec 17 17:28:53 so far, only in n900 Dec 17 17:29:23 and the older n770 and n800, I think Dec 17 17:30:30 n810* Dec 17 17:31:36 matt23: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo#Hardware Dec 17 17:31:57 I can't find much more info in wiki.maemo.org Dec 17 17:32:30 awesome, that was a huge help though! Dec 17 17:32:32 thanks! Dec 17 18:30:37 hi Dec 17 18:31:45 high Dec 17 18:37:43 anyone using an N900 / maemo in Japan? Dec 17 18:40:30 federico2: I did a while back Dec 17 18:41:32 may I ask you few hints? Any SIM worth buying as a non-japanese? What about GPS and maps? Dec 17 18:42:53 I'm reading some scary reports on talk.maemo.org Dec 17 18:43:15 before I went to Japan I bought an bmobileSIM 30, which allows for unlimited use for 30 days from activation Dec 17 18:43:31 best effort, 300kbps max, and you need a japanese cellphone to activate it Dec 17 18:44:13 I heard you need a Japanese credit card to buy it Dec 17 18:44:22 I used a proxy service called Rinkya Dec 17 18:46:47 GPS and maps (through Maemo Mapper) worked fine for me in Japan. Dec 17 18:46:53 Of course, I hope you can read Japanese. Dec 17 18:46:59 Because the maps aren't in English. Dec 17 18:47:20 a bit... no romaji setting, I guess Dec 17 18:47:43 I mean, it was using whatever it would scrape off Google Maps. Dec 17 18:47:55 I'm looking at maemo mapper Dec 17 18:48:28 just make sure you take an extra battery and never leave the browser open when not using it :/ Dec 17 18:48:58 extra battery? urgh :( Dec 17 18:49:14 not that you'll burn through battery faster, but it's exceedingly convenient Dec 17 18:49:18 is maemo mapper caching the maps data? Dec 17 18:49:42 I would also need a battery charger for that Dec 17 18:52:00 I know marble can cache maps Dec 17 18:52:59 I'm trying Mappero Dec 17 18:53:19 ...which seems to be maemo-mapper Dec 17 18:53:24 lol Dec 17 18:55:05 * valerius tried to compile custom gcc directly on my n900. It's damn slow because of insufficient memory (though, added extra gig of swap ;)) Dec 17 18:55:28 the process continues in scratchbox :) Dec 17 18:58:12 though, binutils and libs buillt successfully ;) Dec 17 19:03:05 … Dec 17 19:03:38 valerius: distcc Dec 17 19:03:52 any opinion about http://code.google.com/p/monav/wiki/MoNavClient ? Dec 17 19:04:52 luke-jr I need a special gcc with special TLS requirements ;) Dec 17 19:05:09 valerius: why? Dec 17 19:07:10 luke-jr I want to start http://genode.org on n900, it uses the gs register on x86 for special purpopses, and something similar on arm Dec 17 19:08:06 What we need is a browser with bookmarks easily sync'd with desktops. Dec 17 19:08:20 we had one until mozilla stopped building FF for maemo Dec 17 19:08:24 jazedal: Firefox? Dec 17 19:08:36 wmarone: Maemo is dead. Dec 17 19:08:52 actually, Firefox might need too much RAM to build Dec 17 19:08:52 it's not dead until no one uses it anymore Dec 17 19:08:57 wmarone: nonsense Dec 17 19:09:00 firefox was too slow, and the sync utility doesnt meet everyone's privacy requirements Dec 17 19:09:47 it's dead when the last users leaves this channel. end of story. Dec 17 19:10:07 jazedal: What privacy requirements do people have that it doesn't meet? Dec 17 19:10:16 It needs, At the least, just a bookmark format that is importable to other browsers. Dec 17 19:10:32 derf: FF sync is online in the cloud Dec 17 19:10:37 unencrypted Dec 17 19:10:40 Uh, no. Dec 17 19:10:45 It is encrypted. Dec 17 19:10:50 Is it... Dec 17 19:10:56 In fact, Mozilla cannot even decrypt it themselves. Dec 17 19:11:04 If you lose your password, the data is gone. Dec 17 19:11:17 My mistake, I haven't looked at it recently because the browser is still too slow. Dec 17 19:11:22 (full disclosure: I'm a Mozilla employee) Dec 17 19:11:35 derf: Are you really? Dec 17 19:11:38 Yes. Dec 17 19:11:51 Make ff faster for the n900. Dec 17 19:12:06 *smile* Dec 17 19:12:12 The memshrink stuff from the past few releases probably helps. Dec 17 19:12:13 HAHA Dec 17 19:12:21 Firefox. fast. yeah right Dec 17 19:12:38 Firefox is slow on my brand new Sandy Bridge *desktop* Dec 17 19:12:48 FF would be great. The plugins, Dec 17 19:12:51 shenanigans Dec 17 19:13:00 ...sync'd bookmarks etc. Dec 17 19:13:03 FF is plenty fast on my ~3 year old i7 920 Dec 17 19:13:25 maybe it's just the linux version ;p Dec 17 19:13:48 What's up with the rapid development cycle? Dec 17 19:13:55 Why? Dec 17 19:14:05 wmarone: maybe. Firefox *is* basically a Windows browser Dec 17 19:14:48 luke-jr: Do you have GPU acceleration enabled? Dec 17 19:14:52 note that for some weird, weird reason true firefox on a chroot on the n900 feels noticeably faster than mobile Dec 17 19:14:59 derf: no idea, I shouldn't need it. Dec 17 19:15:02 Firefox is my favorite. It simply has certain plugins no other browser will probably ever have. I'm rooting for FF. Dec 17 19:16:24 luke-jr: about:support, look for GPU Accelerated Windows. Dec 17 19:16:26 FF needs to maintain backward compatibility. Dec 17 19:16:39 That's probably the biggest difference between Linux and Windows. Dec 17 19:17:17 The other thing that can make things slow is a busted profile. Dec 17 19:17:54 How do you know if your profile is busted? Dec 17 19:17:59 Because DIESQLITEDIEDIEDIE^W, uh, databases are hard. Dec 17 19:18:21 jazedal: Do you get periodic 15-second long pauses? Dec 17 19:18:26 (or worse) Dec 17 19:18:31 No. Dec 17 19:18:36 Then you're probably fine. Dec 17 19:18:39 GPU Accelerated Windows 0/7 Dec 17 19:18:42 I don't remember, it's slow in general. Dec 17 19:19:10 derf: there is no reason for a browser to have a SQL database. Dec 17 19:19:21 oh right, HTML5^Wbloat. Dec 17 19:19:23 Okay. I welcome your patch to remove it. Dec 17 19:19:41 luke-jr: so because you cannot think of a reason, a reason cannot exist? Dec 17 19:19:44 or I can just keep using sane browsers like Konqueror and Rekonq Dec 17 19:19:56 I won't stop you. Dec 17 19:20:30 Just write neat code where the complex bits are abstracted from the logic, and it's fine. Dec 17 19:21:01 Then you can change your data storage medium however you want with little trouble. Dec 17 19:21:19 jazedal: if I were going to use SQL, it'd definitely be SQLite Dec 17 19:21:30 no reason for a full blown db engine on end user computers Dec 17 19:21:39 By data storage medium I actually mean database vs txtfile vs anything Dec 17 19:22:15 … Dec 17 19:22:27 * luke-jr notes that SQL *is* abstraction. Dec 17 19:22:36 sqlite, inifiles, w/e, it just needs to be efficient and backward compatible Dec 17 19:22:48 jazedal: you're talking about DIFFERENT kinds of data stores Dec 17 19:23:28 luke-jr: Yes. Dec 17 19:23:29 sqlite/mysql/pgsql/etc do not do the same thing as bdb/inifiles/etc Dec 17 19:23:47 you can't reasonable abstract both groups Dec 17 19:23:52 reasonably* Dec 17 19:24:27 Not accurately, but if you're data layer is abstracted at all, it would make conversion easier Dec 17 19:24:50 yes, you can probably implement SQL on top of ini files. Dec 17 19:25:07 True. Dec 17 19:25:23 Not prettily Dec 17 19:27:46 That's beside the point. We need a browser with syncable bookmarks Dec 17 19:29:09 Has anyone else just wanted to eat the Nyan cat? Dec 17 19:34:06 Use of the GPL, LGPL, and AGPL set of licenses is declining at an accelerating rate, according to new analysis by the 451 Group's Matthew Aslett. In fact, the 451 Group projects that GPL usage will hit 50% by September 2012. Instead, developers are licensing projects under permissive licenses such as the MIT, Apache (ASL), BSD, and Ms-PL. The shift started in 2007 and has been gathering momentum ever since. Dec 17 19:34:10 Evening, javispedro Dec 17 19:34:36 evening Dec 17 19:34:58 ... clearly the reason this is the year of Linux Disappointments =) Dec 17 19:35:16 they claim that GPLv3 is the reason Dec 17 19:35:38 too much of a bite into user's rights Dec 17 19:36:11 RST38h: GPLv3 doesn't touch user's rights Dec 17 19:36:32 I claim it's FUD about GPLv3 Dec 17 19:36:58 I can't see how GPL use is related to linux disappointments Dec 17 19:37:24 DocScrutinizer: disappointing to people who want to abuse Linux, I'msure Dec 17 19:37:46 javispedro: Can't blame Linux, 2011 has been kinda bloodbathy for everyone Dec 17 19:38:00 javispedro: From Linux projects to corporations to states Dec 17 19:39:32 Could it be Windows 7? Dec 17 19:40:19 * DocScrutinizer reads >>eat the Nyan cat<< and frowns Dec 17 19:40:56 But, Nyan Cat is made of pop tart, and looks very yummy. Dec 17 19:41:25 nfc what you say Dec 17 19:42:08 RST38h: touché. Dec 17 19:42:48 I was hungry. Dec 17 19:42:53 Whoever has not committed suicide, went nuts Dec 17 19:42:55 I ponder when did those newssites changed the tune from "bad finances -> boom for FOSS" to "bad finances -> disappointments". Dec 17 19:43:15 when they got low on their own finances? =) Dec 17 19:43:41 who? Dec 17 19:44:19 I have an idea how FOSS can be funded Dec 17 19:44:30 ideas are dime a dozen Dec 17 19:44:40 Not this idea. Dec 17 19:44:56 It costs $500. Dec 17 19:45:15 nice, good luck. Dec 17 19:46:10 It's cheap to hire indians and chinese children. Dec 17 19:46:43 You can help. Dec 17 19:47:23 In unrelated news, asus now wants to ship me a DDR3 GT 240 instead of the DDR5 GT 240 I RMA'd. "Believe me, DDR3 is more performing" included. Dec 17 19:47:42 * javispedro goes find the automatic gun Dec 17 19:47:59 jazedal: Are you proposing to convert them to methane, sell it, and use money to fund OSS? Dec 17 19:48:21 javispedro: Anyone signed that letter in person? =) Dec 17 19:48:23 Hmm, I haven't thought of that. It could generate more revenue. Dec 17 19:49:00 I should run some tests. Dec 17 19:49:26 wmarone, derf, thanks for your help Dec 17 19:49:35 RST38h: I'd wish it was a letter instead of a phone call. Dec 17 19:50:52 javispedro: Oh, it was a phone call? So, you could badmouth the poor serf in person? Dec 17 19:51:23 I CAN badmouth the poor serf in person. Which I'm doing, Monday. Dec 17 19:52:24 *on Monday Dec 17 19:52:51 splendid! Dec 17 19:53:02 Fantastic! Dec 17 19:54:00 It needs a website Dec 17 19:55:03 I don't write websites, the money is to get someone else to. Dec 17 19:56:04 It's too menial Dec 17 19:56:28 * DocScrutinizer does an adduser javispedro on the control console of his MTHELs Dec 17 19:58:42 * jazedal does an ssh javispedro:12345@DocScrutinizer.net Dec 17 19:59:17 javispedro: or would you prefer to use one of the RC drones loaded with C4 I got lately? Dec 17 20:00:38 hum Dec 17 20:01:05 is it common in st-e to play with these toys or what? =) Dec 17 20:01:31 nah, that's another job :-D Dec 17 20:01:48 ~usbfix Dec 17 20:01:49 extra, extra, read all about it, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater) Dec 17 20:01:53 if i want to flash my device with backupmenu-already-installed .img, is procedure the same: sudo flasher-3.5 -F /path/to/flashable_rootfs_v0.56-1-20101109.img -f -R ? Dec 17 20:02:13 * Jef91|Busy goes to read this thread Dec 17 20:02:24 What should I be using other than epoxy - should I be solidering it? Dec 17 20:02:26 shanttu: I'd guess it is Dec 17 20:02:48 Jef91|Busy: definitely Dec 17 20:02:53 kk Dec 17 20:02:57 * Jef91|Busy goes to find the iron Dec 17 20:03:04 DocScrutinizer, thanks. will try Dec 17 20:03:30 shantty -r for rootfs if I remember correctly Dec 17 20:03:51 not --F Dec 17 20:05:00 valerius, so -r /.img -R -f Dec 17 20:06:11 probably, yes Dec 17 20:06:11 yes Dec 17 20:07:44 thanks Dec 17 20:08:36 BTW, how to flash the n900 from the SD or eMMC card? There is a maemo flasher which works directly on device -- how to specify it the device to flash? -- It complains that "No USB device found" Dec 17 20:10:01 shantty but you will need to convert the tar archive to .img first... Dec 17 20:10:09 you will only be able to reflash the kernel locally, for obvious reasons Dec 17 20:10:54 if you want to do that, you need to start softupd and then flasher --local ; google around for additional information. Dec 17 20:11:01 valerius, yes, of course. Dec 17 20:11:07 javispedro yes, I suggest so. But it doesn't know where to flash image to... Dec 17 20:12:01 javispedro ah, so, '--local' is essential... Dec 17 20:13:58 is there a tear down guide for this thing somewhere? Dec 17 20:14:07 For getting at the main board I need to soldier Dec 17 20:21:21 -F, --fiasco=ARG Location of a FIASCO image // -r, --rootfs=ARG Location of root JFFS2 image // vs: -f, --flash Load and flash all supplied images Dec 17 20:22:23 probably nothing wrong with -f, though -r should suffice as well, given the installed kernel matches the modules on image, you'll need the -F though Dec 17 20:23:00 Jef91|Busy: there are service manuals Dec 17 20:24:42 Jef91|Busy: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Schematic Dec 17 20:25:10 Jef91|Busy: or directly proceed to http://www.google.de/search?q=Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_L1L2_v1_0.pdf Dec 17 20:26:14 thanks Dec 17 20:26:17 or http://maemo.jacekowski.org/docs/Nokia_N900_RX-51_Service_Manual_Service_Level_1_2.pdf Dec 17 20:26:22 need to get a non-standard screw driver it seems Dec 17 20:26:24 jacekowski: thanks :-D Dec 17 20:26:29 that had slipped my mind as well, stupid thing. Dec 17 20:26:45 torx6, rather standard Dec 17 20:27:07 don't try to find a workaround though Dec 17 20:28:13 and be *very* careful on reassembly with not tightening screws too hard! recommendation is to use new screws to avoid rather nasty breakage of used ones on tightening them Dec 17 20:28:34 also be very careful with the flat plastic flex connector Dec 17 20:28:39 Yep yep. Dec 17 20:28:40 Yea Dec 17 20:28:42 Noticed that Dec 17 20:28:47 * Jef91|Busy shrugs. Dec 17 20:28:49 If this goes poorly Dec 17 20:28:52 I'll just get a new one Dec 17 20:29:03 thanks for the tips though Dec 17 20:29:11 keep the pieces to send them to me then :-D Dec 17 20:29:16 hi, there Dec 17 20:29:56 I'm having a weird problem and about to reflash because I can't find a solution. The problem is described here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12531 Dec 17 20:30:01 04Bug 12531: alarmd events don't produce any sound or vibration Dec 17 20:30:35 DocScrutinizer This should for the torx6? http://www.homedepot.com/buy/tools-hardware/hand-tools/husky/6-piece-hex-screwdriver-set-114546.html Dec 17 20:30:49 I have the feeling that it should be a fairly simple problem to fix, but my lack of knowledge about that architecture of maemo is getting in the way Dec 17 20:31:26 besides alarmd, now I noticed I don't get any notifications sounds or vibrations now Dec 17 20:31:50 Jef91|Busy: yes Dec 17 20:31:50 so I'm more suspicious about the notification mechanism than alarmd Dec 17 20:32:05 "bits include: ... T6 ..." Dec 17 20:32:30 is this the right place to ask for help debugging this problem to see if I can avoid a reflashing? Dec 17 20:33:11 twas just checking :P Dec 17 20:34:03 luca_: alarmd supposed to do any of that? (vibrate, create sounds) Dec 17 20:34:41 alarmd is a daemon after all, only meant to execute a callback function at a certain moment Dec 17 20:35:07 DocScrutinizer: no, I don't think so, but I first I thought maybe it was a problem with the communication to systemui Dec 17 20:35:19 DocScrutinizer: now I don't think that's the case Dec 17 20:35:47 DocScrutinizer: if you see the bug report, the dbus-monitor stuff, I see the same behaviour when I receive a message for example Dec 17 20:36:07 (sending a Play call and immediately after that a Stop) Dec 17 20:36:23 hmmm, who's sending that? Dec 17 20:36:43 DocScrutinizer: I don't know exactly, that's why I'm asking for help :) Dec 17 20:36:48 thanks for that PDF DocScrutinizer thats exactly what I need Dec 17 20:36:57 Jef91|Busy: yw Dec 17 20:37:01 DocScrutinizer: I just run dbus-monitor and do stuff and see what happens Dec 17 20:37:34 DocScrutinizer: I don't know exactly who is using dbus to send those (rpc) calls Dec 17 20:37:54 DocScrutinizer: I'm not very familiar with dbus either to be honest :S Dec 17 20:38:28 luca_: I'd uninstall the usual suspects, like custom ringtone apps, special alarm clocks, profile managers ("to make your phone silent any time you want... ;-P") Dec 17 20:39:12 Survey - Which browser do you use on your N900? Dec 17 20:39:30 also uninstall or stop/disable dbus-scropting pkg, which you maybe got installed Dec 17 20:39:52 jazedal: ATM? none Dec 17 20:40:02 DocScrutinizer: Why? Dec 17 20:40:05 usually? mircoB Dec 17 20:40:14 occasionally? Opera Dec 17 20:40:28 Why switch to Opera occasionally? Dec 17 20:40:39 why? because I'm on my laptop irc'ing ATM Dec 17 20:40:41 DocScrutinizer: I don't have much of that, and nothing got updated before the problem started Dec 17 20:41:25 DocScrutinizer: ideally I'd like to fully understand the problem instead of trying random solutions (I've been doing a lot of that lately and it's not workin :P) Dec 17 20:41:35 I usually use MicroB, because it's faster and the controls are better suited for a phone, but syncing the bookmarks is difficult. Dec 17 20:41:51 luca_: I feel the same ragrding that Dec 17 20:41:54 DocScrutinizer: do you know if there are any developers here that can know about this stuff? Dec 17 20:41:55 DocScrutinizer: How do you handle the inability to preserve your bookmarks? Dec 17 20:41:56 regarding* Dec 17 20:42:33 jazedal: I had no such problem yet Dec 17 20:42:41 luca_: Have you searched google? Dec 17 20:43:26 DocScrutinizer: When surfing from your phone, do you not encounter web pages that you want saved? Dec 17 20:43:51 sure I do, I create a bookmark in microB and done Dec 17 20:43:54 DocScrutinizer: did you mean dbus-scripts? that's the only package I have installed close to the one you mentioned Dec 17 20:43:55 And, after saving said pages, have difficulty syncing them with your main computer? Dec 17 20:44:02 no Dec 17 20:44:02 jazedal: a lot :) Dec 17 20:44:09 never seen the need to do that Dec 17 20:44:15 jazedal: I found similar problems but not the same Dec 17 20:45:09 just in case I need sth like that, I c&p the URL to IRC to my alter ego on the other end of the mobile/stationary trench Dec 17 20:45:49 most direct instant and simple way I could come up with Dec 17 20:46:10 So you use IRC to meet your portable information gathering requirements. Dec 17 20:47:07 actually I rarely ever surf when mobile, and if I do then not on pages that needed bookmarks Dec 17 20:47:50 That took seven questions to find out, I should optimize my interrogation skills. Dec 17 20:48:04 very occasionally I want to continue reading a web page on my N900 that I started reading on stationary PC, then I send it to DocScrutinizer51 and click it in xchat Dec 17 20:49:33 needs like 5 mousclicks and takes less than 10s, both ends together Dec 17 20:49:35 I, for one, sometimes surf a lot on my N900. Dec 17 20:50:04 IRC and xchat is not an option for me. Dec 17 20:50:31 if I'd need to have a central repository of bookmarks, I'd create it on a webpage I can access from any arbitrary browser Dec 17 20:51:05 A central repository is not necessary, just a syncronization of data. Dec 17 20:51:20