**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Dec 18 02:59:57 2011
Dec 18 03:00:08 <javispedro> gnite DocScrutinizer 
Dec 18 03:00:09 <luke-jr> javispedro: actually, I found proprietary wakelocks in some Nokia code
Dec 18 03:01:28 <javispedro> luke-jr: without agressive suspending, it's just cpuidle stuff, such as the one in musb
Dec 18 03:39:20 * javispedro fails to undestand why Google is using the fact that "Lennart is using Google+" to try to convince me to join Google+.
Dec 18 03:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> LOLMUHAHAHA*cough*gasp
Dec 18 03:41:49 <DocScrutinizer> I might feel tempted
Dec 18 03:41:52 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Dec 18 03:45:31 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder if I could find that video again of last year's CCC where MrPoettering acted like an asshat entering the stage and arguing with a dude who tried to hold a lecture about why PA is getting too fat for "usual workstations"
Dec 18 03:45:36 <javispedro> lol @ a discussion where "utter braindamage" is uttered right in the first reply
Dec 18 03:48:57 <javispedro> and of course, the guy is a N900 owner =)
Dec 18 03:49:09 <DocScrutinizer> one of the most amusing arguments mr poettering used was "we need PA before user session gets started, otherwise we couldn't read the login screen for the visually impaired" - or sth along that line. Nothing against impaired persons and accessability, but for KDM??? c'mon!
Dec 18 03:50:27 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: don't worry, eventually, it'll be so coupled to Linux (and viceversa) that it'll get pushed into Android^W the kernel, and then we'll be back at stage one.
Dec 18 03:50:50 * DocScrutinizer gasps
Dec 18 03:51:08 <javispedro> Cannot wait for the Reallly Advanced Linux Sound Architecture! (RALSA)
Dec 18 03:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> I might consider switching to netBSD
Dec 18 03:52:06 <javispedro> I still have some love for the GPL... 
Dec 18 03:52:15 <DocScrutinizer> this whole linux land starts to become a mental home
Dec 18 03:53:40 <luke-jr> blah, why does audio have to be so complex?
Dec 18 03:53:56 <DocScrutinizer> back in "the old days" (like 10some years ago) linux was for experts and only experts messed with things like kernel. Now each fool who grew out of scripting DoS thinks they can improve kernel, let alone KDE etc
Dec 18 03:55:00 <DocScrutinizer> on a side note latest openSuse supports KDE3 again
Dec 18 03:55:36 <DocScrutinizer> the best KDE ever
Dec 18 03:55:39 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: I recently fixed a bug in KDE where some guy "optimized" the IMAP protocol handler by removing parenthesis… which meant it omitted the message size when there were no flags, so it failed. -.-
Dec 18 03:56:01 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Dec 18 03:56:09 <DocScrutinizer> another script kiddie
Dec 18 03:56:30 <javispedro> lol
Dec 18 03:56:38 <javispedro> I'm going to restore your faith into Linux
Dec 18 03:57:01 <luke-jr> of course, nobody really noticed because KDE doesn't use *that* IMAP protocol handler… they use *a different* IMAP handler
Dec 18 03:57:03 <javispedro> words from the current linux scheduler maintainer: "Yes, this is why I loathe to update to a new distro, there's bound to
Dec 18 03:57:03 <javispedro> new and improved *kit-daemon crap about which does random wakeups even
Dec 18 03:57:03 <javispedro> though you know you're not using any of it, and when you're trying to
Dec 18 03:57:03 <javispedro> uninstall that junk it thinks it needs to uninstall the world"
Dec 18 03:57:08 <luke-jr> yes, KDE has 2 different IMAP implementations…
Dec 18 03:57:28 <luke-jr> javispedro: that's why I use Gentoo
Dec 18 03:57:34 <javispedro> (sorry for the unintentional \ns)
Dec 18 03:57:41 <javispedro> luke-jr: same
Dec 18 03:58:03 <luke-jr> though I was heavily tempted to give into *kit for KDE's power display stuff
Dec 18 03:58:11 <luke-jr> but eventually decided it wasn't worth it (I can use CLI)
Dec 18 03:58:22 <javispedro> it wouldn't have worked either way
Dec 18 03:58:28 <luke-jr> probably not
Dec 18 03:58:30 <luke-jr> sigh
Dec 18 03:58:40 <luke-jr> someone needs to port KDE 3 to Qt4 and maintain it
Dec 18 03:59:03 <luke-jr> (ie, not the Trinity idiots who think they're going to maintain Qt3 too)
Dec 18 04:00:02 <javispedro> dunno what is going to be harder
Dec 18 04:00:17 <javispedro> kde is slightly more of a mess than qt3
Dec 18 04:00:26 <javispedro> well, at least if you remove the multiplatform parts from qt3.
Dec 18 04:00:45 <javispedro> (from a maintainer's PoV and in my short experience)
Dec 18 04:02:01 <javispedro> this discussion is just great so if you have time, do read it : http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1195425
Dec 18 04:02:23 <javispedro> (they're arguing about wakelocks, agressive suspend crap)
Dec 18 04:11:02 <DocScrutinizer> omg gmane jow I hate that format
Dec 18 04:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> how*
Dec 18 04:14:05 <javispedro> time to go
Dec 18 04:14:07 <javispedro> cya
Dec 18 04:27:35 * luke-jr writes an ALSA plugin to expose CMTSpeech as an ALSA device…
Dec 18 04:28:25 <luke-jr> any reason *not* to do it that way? <.<
Dec 18 04:39:51 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: HIGHLY welcome
Dec 18 04:40:09 <luke-jr> ok, good :p
Dec 18 04:40:37 <DocScrutinizer> only reason my similar suggestion wasn't picked up was missing experise in writing ALSA card drivers
Dec 18 04:40:56 <luke-jr> my first time touching ALSA code…
Dec 18 04:40:56 <DocScrutinizer> and it had to become a card
Dec 18 04:41:00 <luke-jr> why?
Dec 18 04:41:12 <DocScrutinizer> because it does what a card usually does
Dec 18 04:41:20 <luke-jr> so why not just a regular PCM device?
Dec 18 04:42:14 <luke-jr> I'm assuming by "card drivers" you mean something in-kernel?
Dec 18 04:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> right, PCM device / card / whatever. sth like hw:0.0 or any other device that acts as an endpoint of a stack
Dec 18 04:42:49 <DocScrutinizer> yep, probably
Dec 18 04:43:37 <luke-jr> I'm doing a shared object that uses libcmtspeechdata
Dec 18 04:43:49 <luke-jr> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/alsa-lib/pcm_external_plugins.html
Dec 18 04:43:59 <luke-jr> similar to dmix/dsnoop
Dec 18 04:44:16 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no obvious objections
Dec 18 04:44:39 <DocScrutinizer> I probably don't really care
Dec 18 04:44:51 <luke-jr> >_<
Dec 18 04:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> as long as I can define my stacks as usual, incl hooks and all
Dec 18 04:47:33 <luke-jr> any chance you have a magic "pipe these two ALSA device to each other" command I can test with? :p
Dec 18 04:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> not really, except the age old arecord|aplay
Dec 18 04:48:33 <luke-jr> yeah, that's just one direction tho
Dec 18 04:48:44 <luke-jr> I've got 15 mins left to write this… :P
Dec 18 04:49:06 <luke-jr> otherwise, I'm *probably* moving on to something else for 3 weeks, so I don't use up my (very limited) minutes
Dec 18 04:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> I think there's been some loopback pcm plugin, but it obviously has thee end and still needs one proper pcm_open()
Dec 18 04:49:38 <DocScrutinizer> (one direction) use two of them ;-D
Dec 18 04:49:59 <luke-jr> :p
Dec 18 04:52:51 <DocScrutinizer> loopback (my take on it)  arecord -D loopback:{input; output} /dev/null
Dec 18 04:53:42 <DocScrutinizer> or rather: arecord -D loopback:{input; plug:output} /dev/null 
Dec 18 04:55:07 <DocScrutinizer> gstreamer prolly also works
Dec 18 04:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> and avoids the extreme latency of the shell |pipe
Dec 18 04:56:41 <DocScrutinizer> though you prolly could fix that by giving arecord/aplay proper chunksize orders
Dec 18 05:12:25 <luke-jr> gstreamer is glib :P
Dec 18 05:34:41 <merlin1991> luke-jr: you won't get away without some libs :D
Dec 18 05:34:55 <luke-jr> merlin1991: ALSA is fine
Dec 18 08:47:13 <beagleburt> trying to find a working download for osso-xterm .. any ideas?
Dec 18 10:15:41 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, a working download? aren't they usually included in nokia's own repositories?
Dec 18 10:20:20 <psycho_oreos> if you think about it, there are a few other probable ways without having to rely on nokia's repositories, combined/fiasco firmware would no doubt have it for instance, then a few people for various reasons would post tarballs (both in compressed as well as uncompressed forms) of rootfs which would have osso-xterm extracted but really you can always repack them up
Dec 18 10:30:42 <beagleburt> <psycho_oreos>: only link I can find is dead. Also I am a compleate newbe & what you suggest is way beyond my skill level?
Dec 18 10:40:13 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, another question comes to mind is why do you specifically want osso-xterm? is it because you accidentally removed it?
Dec 18 10:41:03 <psycho_oreos> I think things like fapman might also be able to do the job
Dec 18 10:46:56 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, I have 20x odd "770's" that had a buggy OS2006 on them. I flashed Hackers Edition 2007 & found that it had Osso x-term on it. I  also found that OS2007HE was very slow & sometimes had problems with WiFi connecting, so I have reflashed them all with the original OS2006 but several people would like to buy them off me WITH an x-term?
Dec 18 10:48:21 <beagleburt> What is "fapman" please?
Dec 18 10:48:24 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, ahh now its somewhat starting to make sense. You have 770 that you want the osso-xterm for.
Dec 18 10:48:33 <beagleburt> YES
Dec 18 10:48:50 <psycho_oreos> faster application manager, I don't think you'll find a program for that with 770, afaik it only appears under N900
Dec 18 10:49:36 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, ok ic
Dec 18 10:50:15 <Pali> ping X-Fade
Dec 18 10:50:24 <Pali> ~seen X-Fade
Dec 18 10:50:31 <infobot> x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego. Has said a total of 26 messages. Is idling for 3d 18h 49m 54s, last said: 'pawky: yes'.
Dec 18 10:50:43 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, so x-term is not available in those tableteer repositories?
Dec 18 10:52:02 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, have not found it so far
Dec 18 10:53:18 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, well I personally don't have 770 myself though if its possible to install OS2007HE on one of the 770, install maybe dpkg-dev and maybe even dpkg-repack.. and use dpkg-repack to repack osso-xterm. That might help
Dec 18 10:55:19 <psycho_oreos> its a really long shot.. hmm whilst you're at it, would the OS2008HE edition work better at any rate?
Dec 18 10:56:58 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, HMMM? I get the gist but beyond this newbe's  current skill level...OS2008 did not have an x-term..
Dec 18 10:58:28 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, ahh bugger so only OS2007HE would be your best bet. Well I wouldn't know how to make it any simpler.. the real issue is that you have 770 and I don't think there are many 770 owners that are currently active
Dec 18 10:59:02 <aholler> the owners or the n770?
Dec 18 10:59:13 <aholler> ;)
Dec 18 10:59:32 <psycho_oreos> more like 770 rather than n770
Dec 18 10:59:34 <psycho_oreos> :)
Dec 18 11:00:04 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, i may have to wait a few years & offer them up as 'Collectors items'
Dec 18 11:01:13 * psycho_oreos thinks N900 is more valuable as a collector item but *shrugs*
Dec 18 11:01:32 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, ha ha ha! I thought i was the only n770 owner left in the world you mean there's 769 others?
Dec 18 11:01:52 <neal> I have two 770s in daily use
Dec 18 11:01:53 <psycho_oreos> beagleburt, I'm only referring to 770 owners that are currently active on this IRC session
Dec 18 11:02:12 <beagleburt> psycho_oreos, oh ic
Dec 18 11:02:59 <aholler> neal: beeing curious, what do you use them for?
Dec 18 11:03:03 <psycho_oreos> aholler && neal, instead of saying you have 770 near you, why not put it into some good use and help beagleburt out?
Dec 18 11:03:09 <neal> mpd clients
Dec 18 11:03:18 <neal> remote controls
Dec 18 11:04:27 <beagleburt> neal, pardon my ignorance but what is "mpd"?
Dec 18 11:05:07 <neal> psycho_oreos: I read some backlog and I didn't see a question
Dec 18 11:05:14 <neal> beagleburt: music player daemon
Dec 18 11:05:25 <ShadowJK> 770s have this self-destruct habbit, kinda like N900
Dec 18 11:05:58 <psycho_oreos> self-destruct habbit?
Dec 18 11:06:19 <psycho_oreos> neal, he wants a copy of osso-xterm
Dec 18 11:06:50 * psycho_oreos has yet to see the self destruct habit on three of his N900 lol
Dec 18 11:06:58 <neal> according to my recollection it is in repository.maemo.org
Dec 18 11:07:18 <neal> he just needs to enable the right repository
Dec 18 11:07:18 <beagleburt> neal link is dead i think
Dec 18 11:07:29 <neal> I doubt it
Dec 18 11:07:38 <neal> if so, talk to x-fade
Dec 18 11:09:07 <neal> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo1.1/free/o/osso-xterm/
Dec 18 11:09:22 <neal> that was easy
Dec 18 11:11:56 <beagleburt> neal, thankyou will check it out
Dec 18 11:29:31 <beagleburt> neal, this is the link i followed to nowhere: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced/
Dec 18 11:30:18 <beagleburt> neal, i have downloaded your link ok - but am unsure how to install it on my 770?
Dec 18 11:33:20 <neal> then the 770 may not be for your
Dec 18 11:33:23 <neal> s/your/you/
Dec 18 11:33:23 <infobot> neal meant: then the 770 may not be for you
Dec 18 11:38:52 <mgedmin> if you open http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2007/osso-xterm-advanced/ with the browser on your 770, clicking the green Install arrow should (with a couple of confirmations) install that package
Dec 18 11:43:43 <beagleburt> mgedmin, leads to dead-end (web-parking site)
Dec 18 11:44:00 <mgedmin> maemo.org? interesting/sad
Dec 18 11:44:03 <mgedmin> but it works for me
Dec 18 11:44:48 <mgedmin> http://imgur.com/Za8n2
Dec 18 11:45:11 <mgedmin> maemo.org has address 80.248.164.250
Dec 18 11:46:26 <beagleburt> <mgedmin> http://maemo-hackers.org/?f
Dec 18 11:46:36 <mgedmin> ah
Dec 18 11:47:21 <mgedmin> this link was not in my backlog
Dec 18 11:48:20 <mgedmin> yeah, the upstream homepage is kaput
Dec 18 13:41:56 <eichi> someone of you played sdlscavenger? called scavenger in maemo?
Dec 18 13:42:20 <eichi> I cant finish level 12 and dont understand, how to to that ;)
Dec 18 14:55:20 <valerius> strange, xchat crashes on my nokia n900 -- moved the logs and scrollback directories and it ended to crash...
Dec 18 15:59:28 * RST38h moos evilly, prays to the Tentacled One in the Depths of the Sea
Dec 18 16:03:59 <javispedro> moo RST38h 
Dec 18 16:05:30 <valerius> anybody alive?
Dec 18 16:05:59 <javispedro> no
Dec 18 16:06:44 * valerius installed subverfsion together with libapr and libaprutil -- it segfaults :(
Dec 18 16:07:16 * valerius tried several older builds -- the same result
Dec 18 16:08:07 <RST38h> javispedro:evening!
Dec 18 16:08:30 <RST38h> javispedro: And may I remind how badly Direct3D sucks?
Dec 18 16:08:34 <valerius> maybeWTF, something is missing from its dependencies an it traps in a missing lib?
Dec 18 16:09:01 <valerius> *maybe
Dec 18 16:09:11 <javispedro> RST38h: to me? No need. 
Dec 18 16:10:08 <javispedro> the fun thing is that considering how far GL ES has gone, MS still wants to promote the even more retarded MobileD3D.
Dec 18 16:12:01 <RST38h> javispedro: Obviously
Dec 18 16:12:13 <wmarone_> how else will they lock you into their platform?
Dec 18 16:12:28 <RST38h> javispedro: There are dozens of people at MS developing it and creating PP presentations showing how it is good for developers and MS domination
Dec 18 16:12:41 <javispedro> wmarone_: with they own language .....
Dec 18 16:12:43 <javispedro> *their
Dec 18 16:12:48 <wmarone_> yup
Dec 18 16:13:12 <RST38h> javispedro: The fact that nobody really needs it (except for all the above people) does not mean a thing
Dec 18 16:14:27 <RST38h> (It is not that GLES is free of sin though - once I have seen the mandatory shader declaration with #defines, I almost threw up)
Dec 18 16:19:38 <valerius> ppl, so, nobody uses a svn client on maemo5?
Dec 18 16:19:58 <neal> use git :)
Dec 18 16:20:43 <valerius> I need access to a svn rep :)
Dec 18 16:22:59 <valerius> what is interesting, some older version worked fine for me, but I updated it and it become broken. Tried to downgrade it, but it still segfaults
Dec 18 17:14:32 <Macer> HELLO
Dec 18 18:17:01 <MacDrunk> hello
Dec 18 18:17:05 <MacDrunk> anyone here
Dec 18 18:18:25 <Gh0sty> sorry we're not open today
Dec 18 18:18:50 <Gh0sty> you can reach us by irc every working day between the hours of 8 and 12 and 13 till 17h
Dec 18 18:18:58 <Gh0sty> ;)
Dec 18 18:20:02 <Juozapas> ;]
Dec 18 18:48:15 <merlin1991> Gh0sty: ++
Dec 18 19:44:59 <psychologe> has some body know how to multiboot :power-kernel,nitdroid,nemo,,,i see this thread talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73146, and do that ,but only can boot Nitdrod and Power-kernel
Dec 18 20:27:48 <badcloud_> how to close all apps?
Dec 18 20:28:55 <jazedal> One at a time.
Dec 18 20:29:04 <badcloud_> jazedal: arg
Dec 18 20:29:14 <badcloud_> really...?
Dec 18 20:29:48 <badcloud_> there's gotta be some app that can do it
Dec 18 20:29:50 <jazedal> It might be possible to write a script to close the gui processes, but I don't see a straight forward way to do it.
Dec 18 20:30:37 <jazedal> I've 10 or apps open at once, and I never thought it would be convenient to automatically close them all.
Dec 18 20:30:53 <jazedal> s/10 or/had 10 or so/
Dec 18 20:30:53 <infobot> jazedal meant: I've had 10 or so apps open at once, and I never thought it would be convenient to automatically close them all.
Dec 18 20:31:04 <badcloud_> you say tomato...
Dec 18 20:31:26 <jazedal> It never takes long to close them all, and I get to make sure I really want to close them.
Dec 18 20:32:03 <badcloud_> it's just a finger/stylus hassle for something so basic
Dec 18 20:32:29 <badcloud_> nm
Dec 18 20:32:31 <jazedal> I see.
Dec 18 20:32:47 <jazedal> Ask someone else.
Dec 18 20:32:54 <badcloud_> I'll scour the seven seas/google some more
Dec 18 20:33:03 <badcloud_> jazedal: thanks though
Dec 18 20:33:08 <jazedal> No problem.
Dec 18 20:33:16 <badcloud_> :)
Dec 18 22:27:27 <kakashi__> hi, can somebody please share your sources.list
Dec 18 22:31:21 <StyXman> kakashi__: http://pastebin.lugmen.org.ar/7142
Dec 18 22:33:46 <kakashi__> StyXman: aren't you using cssu? 
Dec 18 22:34:09 <StyXman> not yet, I think
Dec 18 22:34:19 <StyXman> I got my phone a few days ago
Dec 18 22:34:31 <kakashi__> aha 
Dec 18 22:34:44 <kakashi__> I am actually looking for the cssu sources 
Dec 18 22:38:13 <StyXman> kakashi__: maybe this link? http://wiki.maemo.org/Cssu
Dec 18 22:41:06 <StyXman> kakashi__: opening that page in maemo's browser is enough
Dec 18 22:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> errr
Dec 19 00:41:14 <kwtm2> Need help --why is my microSD card mounted with the "rodir" option?  Looks like it treats the filesystem as read-only when trying to create new directories.  Is this supposed to happen or is it an error because my N900 is skroodupp?
Dec 19 00:54:14 <r00t|home> kwtm2: just remount it without that option?
Dec 19 00:54:40 <kwtm2> r00t|home: Trying; unsuccessful so far.  But is it supposed to be that way, or is it an error that I should correct?
Dec 19 00:55:08 <kwtm2> r00t|home: Would you mind doing a "mount" on your n900 and seeing if  /dev/mmcblk1p1  is mounted that way?  (I presume you've got a microSD on your n900?)
Dec 19 00:57:30 <r00t|home> i just put one in to check...
Dec 19 00:59:07 <r00t|home> no fdisk binary on maemo, lol
Dec 19 00:59:52 <r00t|home> no, just bad $PATH
Dec 19 01:01:30 <kwtm2> r00t|home: Am asking for help on #linux (with some trepidation) and not really getting useful info.  Apparently "rodir" is not really standard.
Dec 19 01:01:47 <r00t|home> i never heard of it befpre
Dec 19 01:01:49 <r00t|home> *before
Dec 19 01:02:33 <robbiethe1st> 1. Back up everything on it. 2. reformat card, 3. reload
Dec 19 01:02:54 <r00t|home> why?
Dec 19 01:03:02 <r00t|home> it's not like the option would be stored on the card?
Dec 19 01:05:22 <r00t|home> mine just says "memory card format unsupported", i guess i got the partition table not to it's likeing... and too lazy to take it out and format in a windows bo
Dec 19 01:05:54 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: Interesting.  This was actually part of my attempt to "back up my n900 onto card" and then "restore everything onto my second n900" so that I can figure out what is wrong with my n900.  In the process it looks like I have to fix my card so that I can fix me n900. :P
Dec 19 01:06:06 <kwtm2> r00t|home: Thanks for trying, though.  :P
Dec 19 01:06:06 <robbiethe1st> Using Backupmenu?
Dec 19 01:06:23 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: What's backupmenu?  Is that the built-in backup application?
Dec 19 01:06:33 <robbiethe1st> r00t|home, because running fsck on it to fix it will likely destroy some data
Dec 19 01:06:34 <r00t|home> kwtm2: to remove the option, all it should take is a mount -o remount...
Dec 19 01:06:57 <r00t|home> robbiethe1st: never occured to me...
Dec 19 01:07:01 <robbiethe1st> kwtm2, No, 3rd-party app to backup the root/optFS to system images
Dec 19 01:07:02 <kwtm2> r00t|home: I tried.  I better say what I tried, to save time and skip redundancy...
Dec 19 01:07:36 <robbiethe1st> Yeah, I've pretty much come to the conclusion that when you have a damaged FS which is still working... back it up before you mess with it
Dec 19 01:08:12 <kwtm2> r00t|home:   I did    mount -o remount,rw  /dev/mmcbkl1p1 /media/mmc1      (yes, as root, of course)   Unfortunately, the rw part was unchanged and I noticed that it was already mounted with rw as well as rodir (I can create files -- I tried -- I just can't create new directories)
Dec 19 01:08:35 <kwtm2> r00t|home: So I'm trying to see if there is a norodir option, or rwdir ... got stuck looking for rodir under mount (not mentioned in the mount page)
Dec 19 01:08:56 <robbiethe1st> It's cause the FS has errors on it.
Dec 19 01:08:56 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: Not sure the fs is damaged, and also I'm not trying to back up the root/optFS.
Dec 19 01:09:15 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: Just trying to see if it's supposed to be mounted that way.  Would you mind doing a "mount" on your n900 and seeing if  /dev/mmcblk1p1  is mounted that way?  (I presume you've got a microSD on your n900?)
Dec 19 01:09:16 <robbiethe1st> If you run fsck, you'll see them. But make sure you use it in read-only mode if you haven't backed up
Dec 19 01:09:56 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: To clarify: you are saying that, because my microSD card has errors on it, the N900 automatically mounts it in rodir mode?
Dec 19 01:10:16 <robbiethe1st> I would check that first. I know that happens with rw/ro mode
Dec 19 01:10:25 <r00t|home> kwtm2: and just umounting an remounting...?
Dec 19 01:10:48 <kwtm2> r00t|home: Ahh... umount.  Hmm, okay, it means I have to shut a few things down, but I will try.  
Dec 19 01:10:58 <kwtm2> r00t|home: So in that case I would not need  -o remount   right?
Dec 19 01:11:19 <robbiethe1st> Also, hm... this is interesting. rodir is one of the options I'm seeing for my mounted sd card, but I can make directories in it without issue.
Dec 19 01:11:34 <r00t|home> kwtm2: yes
Dec 19 01:11:35 <kwtm2> r00t|home: And are you suggesting any particular way to  mount again after umount?  Or do I just do   mount /dev/mmcblk1p1  /media/mmc1   and just let whatever default settings there are take place?
Dec 19 01:11:36 <robbiethe1st> Therefor, I'd say it's likely partition corruption.
Dec 19 01:11:49 <r00t|home> kwtm2: maybe check if the rodir option is in fstab?
Dec 19 01:12:39 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: Interesting ... so maybe rodir is notthe problem?  Weird.  Mind comparing with my mount line?  I have:    (there are other lines for other filesystems, too, of course):  /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir)
Dec 19 01:12:56 <r00t|home> my fstab has rodir in the options for mmcblk0p1... which is MyDocs...
Dec 19 01:13:03 <kwtm2> r00t|home: There's not even a fstab entry for /dev/mmcblk1p1 !  It must be generating it on the fly.
Dec 19 01:13:06 <robbiethe1st> Yeah, that looks right kwtm2 
Dec 19 01:13:35 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: You're comparing for mccblk1p1, not mmcblk0p1, right?  (I have no problems with MyDocs, of course.)
Dec 19 01:13:38 <r00t|home> nodev,noexec,nosuid -> pure paranoid / rooting protection...
Dec 19 01:13:44 <robbiethe1st> Yeah
Dec 19 01:14:33 <kwtm2> Awww, geez.  Then what the TUTTI FRUITTI is keeping me (and my rsync command) from creating directories so I can do a frigg'n backup just so I can use my second N900?   It's like a new snag every time I try to get around an old snag.
Dec 19 01:15:00 <mgedmin> yak shaving sucks
Dec 19 01:15:02 <robbiethe1st> I can tell you right now, though, most of the time something happens weirdly, it's due to a screwed-up partition on the N900
Dec 19 01:15:08 <kwtm2> It's like the TV series Lost , but on my N900.  Every time a mystery is about to be cleared up, three new ones pop up, just so they can keep the TV show going ....
Dec 19 01:15:24 <robbiethe1st> Just wipe the SD card, reformat, run backup?
Dec 19 01:15:26 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: So you think reformatting the microSD card would cut through most of the crap.
Dec 19 01:15:32 <robbiethe1st> yes.
Dec 19 01:15:33 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: Yeah I think I'll do that.
Dec 19 01:15:48 <robbiethe1st> mkfs.vfat is what you want
Dec 19 01:17:06 <kwtm2> robbiethe1st: Ok. Can I just format it on my desktop?  I'll dig up a SD card adapter.
Dec 19 01:17:12 <r00t|home> "* Added 'rodir' to mount options. Fixes: NB#101324" -- "subversion at stage.maemo.org" -- http://web.archiveorange.com/archive/v/Zai1XtdsGZPrKmgpyXnx
Dec 19 01:17:13 <robbiethe1st> I suppose.
Dec 19 01:20:28 <r00t|home> i wonder what NB#101324 was... bugs.maemo.org does not have it...
Dec 19 02:04:42 <merlin1991> kwtm2: fixed your sd card issue?
Dec 19 02:32:47 <kwtm2> merlin1991: Hi.  Sorry I was away. Next step appears to be: reformat microSD card.  I have not yet done this --don't have time.  (Already blew 3 hours on this endeavour just trying to figure out why the heck my rsync script wasn't working.)
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