**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 20 02:59:57 2011 Dec 20 03:28:19 Estel, old haxor! read http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-12-08.log.html#t2011-12-08T01:07:10 ff Dec 20 03:31:38 ~Estel's pager Dec 20 03:32:14 ~Estel_'s pager Dec 20 03:32:38 ~DocScrutinizer's pager Dec 20 03:32:38 rumour has it, docscrutinizer's pager is mailto:docscrutinizer@omma-projekt.de Dec 20 03:34:51 ~help Dec 20 03:36:34 ~help Dec 20 03:44:01 hey there. I've connected my DVD-RW using ATA to USB adapter, and through HEN. Device is enumerated and recognized properly, but not automounted. I'm willing to mount it manually, but got no idea what in /dev/ should I treat as my writer Dec 20 03:44:15 any hints? Dec 20 03:44:46 is there an sr0 node? Dec 20 03:47:01 nope Dec 20 03:47:58 Of course, now I'm just trying to access data stored on optical disk, leaving writing for another day ;) Dec 20 03:49:15 dmesg shows last message: Dec 20 03:49:17 [ 9268.697174] scsi 9:0:0:0: CD-ROM ATAPI DVD DD 2X16X4X16 G7H9 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 Dec 20 04:48:47 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/523374/ Dec 20 04:48:50 you like? :P Dec 20 04:53:33 maybe, if You're going to tell wtf is that Dec 20 04:54:00 Estel_: script to generate the password for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/… Dec 20 04:54:18 based on information extracted from a N900 :p Dec 20 04:54:26 definitelly like Dec 20 04:54:29 since I can't just distribute the username/password myself Dec 20 04:55:01 it talks to cellmo, starting it from scratch if necessary :P Dec 20 05:23:26 some of you might like that? T-Mobile USA gets $3E9 from AT&T for *not* getting bought by them. AT&T - T-Mo merger ultimately cancelled Dec 20 05:25:45 nah, DT gets it Dec 20 05:25:58 rrright Dec 20 05:26:23 still good that AT&T gave up, maybe someone else will step up Dec 20 05:43:07 DocScrutinizer :D Dec 20 05:51:19 Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions Dec 20 05:58:00 ~ignore estel_ Dec 20 05:58:00 error: chan #maemo is invalid. Dec 20 05:58:39 I'm pondering to enable ignore on #maemo ;-P Dec 20 05:59:05 infobot: ahha! i always thought this chan is kinda wrong Dec 20 05:59:05 slonopotamus: okay Dec 20 05:59:30 /kick slonopotamus Dec 20 05:59:47 ~forget ahha! i always thought this chan Dec 20 05:59:47 i forgot ahha! i always thought this chan, DocScrutinizer Dec 20 06:00:10 ~ignore slonopotamus Dec 20 06:00:11 error: chan #maemo is invalid. Dec 20 06:01:04 ~chan #maemo Dec 20 06:01:04 extra, extra, read all about it, chan #maemo is invalid. Dec 20 06:01:32 FU! Dec 20 06:01:40 you started it Dec 20 06:01:45 ~forget chan #maemo Dec 20 06:01:45 i forgot chan #maemo, DocScrutinizer Dec 20 06:03:20 DocScrutinizer: you're a bit nervous today :/ Dec 20 06:03:44 I hate fools spamming ibot's factoid database Dec 20 06:04:20 and it's been estel who started it by abusing onjoin Dec 20 06:05:03 in a *very* inadequate way, so ibot spammed each channel I'm in with >> Hey, thanks for that - I haven't had idea of such functions<< Dec 20 06:05:46 missing TWO things: a highlight to me, and a restriction to a particular channel Dec 20 06:06:27 ~+help onjoin Dec 20 06:06:27 Desc: get/set OnJoin message (needs chan option +OnJoin) Dec 20 06:06:28 Usage: onjoin [#chan|_default] [-] [message] Dec 20 06:06:28 Example: onjoin infobot Hey! It's another infobot! Dec 20 06:08:00 still amazed Dec 20 06:08:10 the itc can ban shipments? :) Dec 20 06:08:42 yesterday SpeedEvil accidentally abused infobot by >>~3.6 is what I get usually<< Dec 20 06:08:58 today you start to abuse infobot deliberately Dec 20 06:09:14 any surprise I get upset? Dec 20 06:09:41 ~status Dec 20 06:09:41 Since Sun Dec 11 22:22:34 2011, there have been 37 modifications, 378 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 199 commands. I have been awake for 8d 7h 41m 27s this session, and currently reference 118331 factoids. I'm using about 22808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2609.44/60.46 child 0/0 Dec 20 06:11:27 0 morons? Dec 20 06:11:52 slonopotamus: sorry, but please don't mess with infobot, it's mostly meant for a factoid database, and sometimes also for fun, but that fun stops where factoid database gets spammed with random noise Dec 20 06:12:38 slonopotamus: yeah, indeed. I also wonder how she could believe there've been "o morons" ;-P Dec 20 06:13:35 I admit I have no clue what defines a moron, in ibot's world Dec 20 06:14:06 same for dunnos Dec 20 06:15:36 Ah Dec 20 06:15:51 hey SpeedEvil Dec 20 06:18:41 slonopotamus: btw the advice in ~query is serious, don't get too leet! Tim Riker might be more ruthless with restrictions that I am Dec 20 06:18:46 ~query Dec 20 06:18:47 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Dec 20 06:18:54 hey Dec 20 06:19:20 * slonopotamus yawns Dec 20 06:20:00 yawn again! Dec 20 06:20:17 any plans to roll out a diablo kernel update with https://github.com/torvalds/linux/commit/32cfb1b16f2b68d2296536811cadfffe26a06c1b merged in? Dec 20 06:22:31 ~ping Dec 20 06:22:31 ~pong Dec 20 06:23:45 i guess that was too much maemo-related for this channel :-/ Dec 20 06:24:27 I guess you're trolling Dec 20 06:24:54 you're aware there are only maybe 4 people on this globe to answer that question? Dec 20 06:25:28 and odds are you'll meet them here - not 24/7 though Dec 20 06:47:02 1337? :-P l33t? Dec 20 06:47:49 do they still build diablo kernels? Dec 20 06:47:51 * Macer grins Dec 20 06:48:00 ~diablo Dec 20 06:48:00 Fast and efficient NNTP newsfeeder software. URL: http://www.backplane.com/diablo/, or a better link-time optimizer. More information can be found at http://www.elis.ugent.be/diablo Dec 20 06:48:13 * Macer facepalm Dec 20 06:48:27 #maemo bot fail Dec 20 06:48:49 ~harmattan Dec 20 06:48:49 [harmattan] teh suck Dec 20 06:49:46 ~maemo Dec 20 06:49:47 i guess maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml Dec 20 06:50:07 ~moron Dec 20 06:50:07 it has been said that moron is someone that types long lines starting with "infobot" Dec 20 06:50:25 infobot: are you my sex slave? Dec 20 06:50:35 infobot are you my sex slave? Dec 20 06:50:42 not long enough? :) Dec 20 07:01:55 no, that's even short enough for a factoid key Dec 20 07:03:41 infobot won't mind telling her about stuff she doesn't understand, but she might wonder WTF this very line means, given the relatively simple parser that only looks for the definition separator keyword "is" Dec 20 07:03:54 ~status Dec 20 07:03:54 Since Sun Dec 11 22:22:34 2011, there have been 37 modifications, 384 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 199 commands. I have been awake for 8d 8h 35m 39s this session, and currently reference 118331 factoids. I'm using about 22808 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 2621.98/60.88 child 0/0 Dec 20 07:03:59 Macer: HEY NOOB Dec 20 07:04:05 Macer: I GOT VOICE CALLS ON GENTOO Dec 20 07:04:09 PWNT Dec 20 07:04:28 you build cmtspeech ALSA plugin? Dec 20 07:04:36 built* Dec 20 07:04:37 DocScrutinizer: no, but it's within sight :P Dec 20 07:04:46 good Dec 20 07:04:47 DocScrutinizer: like I said, I'll probably finish it in 3 weeks Dec 20 07:04:50 luke-jr: :) Dec 20 07:05:04 * DocScrutinizer waves, off for daywork Dec 20 07:05:05 in the meantime, I can work on a phonet driver for gpsd Dec 20 07:05:27 DocScrutinizer: btw, did you see my n900-password script? :P Dec 20 07:05:33 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/523374/ Dec 20 07:05:49 SpeedEvil: ^ Dec 20 07:06:54 neat Dec 20 07:07:20 liar :-P Dec 20 07:07:21 lol Dec 20 07:08:05 Macer: no, I played enough to make one call :P Dec 20 07:08:10 just didn't clean it up yet Dec 20 07:08:42 probably the biggest "issue" will be getting a sane highpass filter Dec 20 07:08:47 cuz I have nfc how any of that works Dec 20 07:08:51 or what a highpass filter even is Dec 20 07:09:37 (whatever it is, without it there's a risk of blowing the speakers) Dec 20 07:11:59 a highpass filter cuts off low frequencies Dec 20 07:12:23 here is shall kill all audio lower than maybe 200Hz Dec 20 07:17:50 DocScrutinizer: totally the opposite of my guess :D Dec 20 07:18:15 DocScrutinizer: did I ask you if you could look at the code I found yet? :P Dec 20 07:56:52 luke-jr: no, you didn't ask me that Dec 20 07:57:31 http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/0001-Support-for-tlv320aic3x-codec-highpass-filter-needed.patch Dec 20 07:58:01 apparently it only works at 48 kHz as-is tho Dec 20 07:58:14 I wouldn't have a clue how to adapt for other sample rates Dec 20 08:03:12 luke-jr: it's a digital filter. The filter freq is related to sample freq. so if you go to half the sample rate, your filter also goes down to f/2 for cutoff Dec 20 08:04:13 that assumes I have some idea what f is, or really which part of this code does the filtering at all :P Dec 20 08:05:05 luke-jr: with dmix you gota rather hardcoded samplle rate anyway, so don't bothwer about other rates Dec 20 08:05:38 afk Dec 20 08:05:41 I'm not sure I'll end up using dmix. Dec 20 08:06:02 and frankly, I'm scared of accidentally breaking stuff :P Dec 20 08:07:09 maybe I'll find a way to disable other sample rates in the kernel.. Dec 20 12:43:00 ping X-Fade Dec 20 12:43:06 ~seen X-Fade Dec 20 12:43:15 x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 11h 29m 29s) #harmattan (1d 11h 29m 29s) #meego (1d 11h 29m 29s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 43m 49s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'. Dec 20 12:44:10 infobot, how do you konw that? Dec 20 12:48:38 he is logged in all these channels and monitor IRC messages Dec 20 12:54:39 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/12/20/sony_panasonic_samsung_sandisk_toshiba_to_create_hd_drm_for_memory_cards/ <-- and nobody cares Dec 20 13:25:40 hello guys ! i have problem with all my twitter clients, 401 error ! have you a idea what can i do, to solve this problem! clients: TwimGo, TweeGo, n900 plugin Dec 20 13:27:06 this twitter client problems is under n900/maemo! Dec 20 15:10:51 Are there any current implementations to fulfill the notify-send use cases? Dec 20 15:37:45 Meanwhile: Feds Tell Man To Stop Giving Away His Sperm for Free Online Dec 20 15:41:00 He should have at least charged. Dec 20 15:41:31 RST38h: muhaha Dec 20 15:41:45 must be USA Dec 20 15:42:30 The Illinois Enenma Bandit (FZ) Dec 20 15:42:55 I've already looked for a notify-send implementation. If one doesn't exist, I'm going to make and upload it myself. Dec 20 15:43:32 Any objections? Dec 20 17:31:57 hi there i got a question, i got a "chipdrive" by scm with x86-drivers for linux, would it be possible to install them on the n900 Dec 20 17:32:31 somehow i guess not :( Dec 20 17:32:49 No. Dec 20 17:32:49 they are btw. propiertary Dec 20 17:33:07 may be easier to revese it Dec 20 17:33:09 damn, i thought it wouldnt work :/ Dec 20 17:33:13 What is the device? Dec 20 17:33:50 The problem isn't so much pretending to be x86 - it's pretending to be windows accurately enough for it to work Dec 20 17:33:55 And the translation Dec 20 17:34:02 see here --> http://pics.eshopv5.com/IC/img_big/ic_51/5144557.jpg Dec 20 17:34:18 That is a very unhelpful pic Dec 20 17:34:34 its smart-card reader, for blank smart-cards Dec 20 17:34:39 ah Dec 20 17:35:22 ~seen X-Fade Dec 20 17:35:30 x-fade is currently on #maemo (1d 16h 21m 42s) #harmattan (1d 16h 21m 42s) #meego (1d 16h 21m 42s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 5h 36m 2s, last said: 'I wonder if it is a 'using storage space' requirement or more 'make a mess' one.'. Dec 20 17:38:49 so is there the possibility or is it most-likely not be doable? Dec 20 17:44:39 If you need to ask, you probably can't do it. Dec 20 17:45:11 In principle it's possible, but I'm not aware of any ndiswrapper+qemu thing that might work for you Dec 20 17:48:14 well its more like iam asking if a proprietary x86 driver will run without reversing it or do something as time-consuming Dec 20 17:48:27 as that* Dec 20 17:51:15 x86 Dec 20 17:51:20 The processor is not x86 Dec 20 17:51:24 So absolutely not Dec 20 17:51:44 Unless you either do something clever, or find someone who has done. Dec 20 17:52:59 crap, i guessed so :/ Dec 20 17:54:29 well, depends on driver Dec 20 17:54:32 if it's libusb based Dec 20 17:54:43 you could go painful way of running it on qemu Dec 20 18:00:27 really that painful? Dec 20 18:02:57 yes Dec 20 18:03:01 and slow Dec 20 18:03:15 you get maybe 5% of native performance Dec 20 18:06:02 so you thought of qemu running a virtual machine with win*x* and then installing the driver in there? Dec 20 18:07:05 iam not aware of the performance, did anyone yet tried smth. similiar? Dec 20 18:08:21 yeah, on psp Dec 20 18:08:30 it took around hour to boot win98 Dec 20 18:13:25 but wait, lets say i manage to run win98 under qemu and install the driver would that really work? Dec 20 18:16:22 m21rw_: Linux kernel modules are covered by the GPL. Report them to GPL infringments Dec 20 18:17:02 luke-jr: windows driver Dec 20 18:17:17 Which are rarely GPL Dec 20 18:17:35 SpeedEvil: he said Linux Dec 20 18:17:41 [12:26:13] hi there i got a question, i got a "chipdrive" by scm with x86-drivers for linux, would it be possible to install them on the n900 Dec 20 18:20:16 ah Dec 20 18:20:19 mised that Dec 20 18:24:47 there are linux drivers and win drivers Dec 20 18:31:41 here are they, might someone with more expertise take a look at them Dec 20 18:31:49 http://support.identive-infrastructure.com/download.php?ref=support&file=driver/scmccid_linux_32bit_driver_V5.0.21.tar.gz Dec 20 18:42:35 hmm Dec 20 18:42:42 still no /dev/video* even with firmware :| Dec 20 19:02:35 another question, as you may noticed iam kinda new to the n900 and stuff. Dec 20 19:02:59 m21rw_: that is not a kernel driver... Dec 20 19:03:18 m21rw_: it's a userspace library that links libusb... Dec 20 19:03:48 is it just me or is the program manager kinda slowish after installing a program? Dec 20 19:04:28 would be kinda cool just to select the packages i need and then install them in a row. Dec 20 19:04:40 use apt-get Dec 20 19:05:30 the normal way, after installing i always had to wait about a minute after installing an app Dec 20 19:06:45 already thought about synaptic, but not kinda sure how it performs Dec 20 19:06:59 you need a gui? Dec 20 19:07:46 and regarding apt-get, i use it, its just sometimes a problem when theres an application i dont know the package_name of Dec 20 19:08:31 then i have to double check it first :) Dec 20 19:08:43 apt-cache search Dec 20 19:08:45 heh Dec 20 19:09:22 i thought there would be a cmd therefore :) Dec 20 19:10:35 m21rw_: for your chipdrive "driver"... are you sure nobody reverse-engineered that library yet? given that all it does is translate between library calls and libusb, that should not be that big of a project... or just ask the vendor for an arm binary... Dec 20 19:12:03 its kinda strange, as the original one with a serial-bus instead of an usb port was pretty popular Dec 20 19:12:39 why not get the serial version? Dec 20 19:12:58 would that change anything? Dec 20 19:13:35 right, not significantly so if the "driver" is also proprietary... Dec 20 19:13:35 i mean, i dont mind which interface it has as long as it works :) Dec 20 19:13:54 hmm would have to check it :) Dec 20 19:14:21 btw... how would you connect the usb device to the n900 anyway... Dec 20 19:14:35 with the serial one, you could just use a bluetooth serial bridge... Dec 20 19:14:56 h-e-n? Dec 20 19:16:19 n900 can do usb Dec 20 19:16:53 wtf? Dec 20 19:18:29 ~hostmode Dec 20 19:18:29 well, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode-charging Dec 20 19:20:41 heres a picture of the original "chipdrive" it would be kinda possible that there are os drivers Dec 20 19:20:49 http://bild6.qimage.de/extern-chipdrive-towitoko-foto-bild-50264076.jpg Dec 20 19:21:04 well, find them? Dec 20 19:23:32 yep there are some Dec 20 19:23:36 got em Dec 20 19:24:00 so, there you go... Dec 20 19:30:08 here - http://www.opensc-project.org/openct/wiki/towitoko Dec 20 19:30:40 but how to establish a connection with this serial device? Dec 20 19:31:03 never heard about a blutooth serial bridge Dec 20 19:31:04 m21rw__: usb->serial or bluetooth->serial Dec 20 19:31:18 where the bluetooth verion is probably most interesting, being wireless and all Dec 20 19:31:49 the n900 probably has an uart-port somewhere under the battery cover, if you like soldering ;) Dec 20 19:32:43 m21rw__: the most common ones are these: http://www.ebay.de/itm/2-x-Bluetooth-Parallel-Seriel-Adapter-Pack-ideal-Ersatz-Kabel-/200654500917?pt=DE_Technik_Computerzubeh36r_Kabel_Adapter&hash=item2eb7f0b435 Dec 20 19:36:12 i loooove soldering ;) Dec 20 19:36:41 nah i guess i would take the usb-serial version Dec 20 19:36:44 in that case, you might like to put a bluetooth module (and battery) right in the chipdrive... ;) Dec 20 19:48:43 what about rfid reader on uart under battery? Dec 20 19:50:00 gogogo Dec 20 19:50:29 m21rw__: btw, what would you use the chipdrive on n900 for? Dec 20 19:50:37 m21rw__: banking? Dec 20 19:50:58 authentication purpose and robotics :) Dec 20 19:51:17 so instead of enter pin, connect reader and insert chipcard? ;) Dec 20 19:51:28 for example Dec 20 19:51:42 but not in a banking case Dec 20 19:52:06 thats stuff i wont do over the net :) Dec 20 19:52:32 don't believe in cryptography? Dec 20 19:53:08 there isnt perfect security Dec 20 19:53:58 and how long will crypthoalgorithms like those that we use actually be unbreakable Dec 20 19:54:02 it won't get more secure than a linux device with card-reader... Dec 20 19:54:13 :D Dec 20 19:54:41 btw. is it just me or isnt there a root-pw on the n900 Dec 20 19:55:20 i get root-access by just typing root in the console Dec 20 19:55:34 or some kind of fake-root? Dec 20 19:55:43 that's the sudo configuration Dec 20 19:55:49 Hello there .. :) Dec 20 19:56:03 you can set a root password, but disabling sudo would break some or more applications Dec 20 19:56:13 it's possible to burn out the flash LEDs, right? Dec 20 19:56:44 didnt flash it yet, but will for security reasons Dec 20 19:56:52 guys i bought a nokia n900 2 days ago.. you think this mobile is getting old or something ?! Dec 20 19:57:08 and and then apply some updates Dec 20 19:57:12 M3WZ3R0: no Dec 20 19:57:27 sell it dude Dec 20 19:57:30 luke-jr: the docs on the led driver stuff very plausibly sey so, yes Dec 20 19:57:40 *say Dec 20 19:57:46 but in the same day i got the mini usb port failure.. so i send it support center ?! Dec 20 19:57:52 sell it ? lol are you kiddin me Dec 20 19:58:07 or wait until nokia stop production Dec 20 19:58:28 r00t^home: but with stock kernel? Dec 20 19:58:30 and sell it for a redicioulus price Dec 20 19:58:31 M3WZ3R0: people say, nokia has no spare parts to repair them anymore, and will give you a different phone... if it's still undee warranty that is Dec 20 19:58:36 M3WZ3R0: N900 is basically dead Dec 20 19:58:53 luke-jr: the kernel driver just provides a stright interface to the chip, with no sanity checks Dec 20 19:59:26 got mine for 129 bucks Dec 20 19:59:48 absolutelly new regarding looks Dec 20 20:00:03 the way it looks* Dec 20 20:00:11 ohh they didn't tell me anything for now.. they said they will check everything then give me a call Dec 20 20:00:21 just one little defect Dec 20 20:00:40 there is a whiter spot on the screen Dec 20 20:00:42 r00t^home: so what do I need to avoid doing? ;) Dec 20 20:01:02 luke-jr: you are reading the page on the led driver, right? Dec 20 20:01:07 luke-jr: why you think it is dead ?! Dec 20 20:01:16 r00t^home: couldn't find a useful one Dec 20 20:01:23 M3WZ3R0: Nokia killed off the platform a long time ago Dec 20 20:01:29 M3WZ3R0: and the hardware is pretty much obsolete Dec 20 20:01:48 lets hope nitdroid gets better Dec 20 20:02:02 atleast theres a future Dec 20 20:02:34 luke-jr : but community didn't Dec 20 20:02:37 luke-jr: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Flash_Torch ? Dec 20 20:02:43 M3WZ3R0: community can't do much Dec 20 20:02:53 m21rw__: someone's still working on Nitdroid? Dec 20 20:02:55 yeah i mean there is nitdroid and there is meego too Dec 20 20:03:03 m21rw__: might as well get a stock-Android phone if you want Android tho Dec 20 20:03:08 Meego is dead Dec 20 20:03:42 i didn't try nitdroid yet.. what else than phone calling is not working yet ? Dec 20 20:04:15 meego is dead ?! wtf :S Dec 20 20:04:24 luke-jr: this would be the API calls to control the flash... https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=flashlight-appl;a=blob;f=src/flashlight_lib.c;h=31a393938f688d2370b637f584e4acf5840012ae;hb=refs/heads/master Dec 20 20:04:33 luke-jr: i actually wanted to get the ZTE Blade until i found the n900 for the same price Dec 20 20:04:41 r00t^home: I don't run Mameo. Dec 20 20:04:47 luke-jr: i actually got the flash and other LEDs mixed up, so no idea if the kernel driver does sanity checks Dec 20 20:05:04 camera, gps, phone calls Dec 20 20:05:14 luke-jr: well, then check the docs/apis of whatever you use... Dec 20 20:05:20 but voip should work i heard Dec 20 20:05:34 not sure though Dec 20 20:06:06 ohh only ? thats great Dec 20 20:06:19 wait a sec Dec 20 20:06:31 i got my n900 for about 240$ Dec 20 20:06:56 the source code for flashlight lib has all sorts of shit about over current fault and stuff. Dec 20 20:07:08 why do you ask luke? Dec 20 20:07:31 you want flashlight torch for gentoo? Dec 20 20:08:09 http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=N900#Port_Status Dec 20 20:08:19 there you go check it Dec 20 20:08:26 ohh thank you dude Dec 20 20:09:17 lol Dec 20 20:09:36 its strange that there stands "wifi - working not done" Dec 20 20:09:43 mohammad where are you from ? Dec 20 20:10:01 ive already seen it working on a lot of vids on the tube Dec 20 20:10:11 yeah me too Dec 20 20:10:46 if i had a dataplan for voip i would use it as main os Dec 20 20:10:51 Well maybe nobody updated the wiki since a while Dec 20 20:11:02 it seems somehow more responsive Dec 20 20:11:15 although its an unfinished port Dec 20 20:11:54 flash in general too, game emulators too Dec 20 20:12:21 As e-yes stated on twitter ICS is to big for N900 so probably it wont be finished Dec 20 20:12:45 seen a vid that compared the playstation emu of android with the one of the n900 Dec 20 20:13:14 it was a lot faster on android Dec 20 20:13:39 but maybe its the emu and i shouldnt blame the os Dec 20 20:14:06 and i would care about ics too much Dec 20 20:14:30 a fully working gingerbread satisfies me Dec 20 20:14:40 Well this ICS thingi is strange Dec 20 20:14:44 hardware too.. there are many phones now with better processors and rams Dec 20 20:15:00 m21rw__ whats your mob ? Dec 20 20:15:00 blah blah blah Dec 20 20:15:02 Some said that devices with 2.3 could run ICS Dec 20 20:15:05 more corez Dec 20 20:15:12 triple ramz Dec 20 20:15:22 quadrouple screenz Dec 20 20:15:28 Quadruple speed Dec 20 20:15:32 :) Dec 20 20:15:33 yeah vi__ very better hardware than n900 Dec 20 20:15:37 septuple camraz Dec 20 20:15:44 Hahahahaha Dec 20 20:15:50 Septuple :) Dec 20 20:15:52 Ahahahaha Dec 20 20:16:12 what is the point if it is nothing more than a glorified launcher of trivial 'appz'? Dec 20 20:16:20 riddle me that. Dec 20 20:16:34 i got an n900 M3WZ3R0 Dec 20 20:16:49 like running win3.1 on my 4GHz P4. Dec 20 20:16:51 better performance vi__ Dec 20 20:16:54 Well you/e got a strong point here Dec 20 20:16:56 or whatcha mean with "mob" Dec 20 20:17:23 oh ok m21rw__ anyways it was stupid question xD Dec 20 20:17:39 hmm kinda ;) Dec 20 20:17:46 look! i can run this fart sound boad on 2 processors for half the battery life now! woot! Dec 20 20:17:53 but who cares :) Dec 20 20:18:07 hehe vi_ Dec 20 20:18:23 android is shit, it doesnt even have multitasking. Dec 20 20:18:36 symbian had multitasking in 2001 Dec 20 20:18:41 i want android for apps only Dec 20 20:18:47 its more responsive Dec 20 20:18:54 same here Dec 20 20:18:55 BUT IT HAZ 3 COREZ Dec 20 20:19:07 they got nice apps there Dec 20 20:19:19 yeah really awesome apps.. Dec 20 20:19:27 appppz! Dec 20 20:19:30 woooo! Dec 20 20:19:38 i really thinking about trying nitdroid Dec 20 20:19:38 farting appz! Dec 20 20:19:39 when i got my n900 back i'll install android Dec 20 20:19:44 simpsons appz! Dec 20 20:19:49 lol vi__ Dec 20 20:19:53 whatsapp appz! Dec 20 20:19:53 are you drunk man ? Dec 20 20:20:01 Android apps suck Dec 20 20:20:08 seriously, compared to iOS apps, they suck Dec 20 20:20:26 If you want android, get an android device Dec 20 20:20:28 MohammadAG where are you from ? Dec 20 20:20:30 seriously, why bother with Nokia? Dec 20 20:20:31 hmm but also good apps Dec 20 20:20:38 i would sooner trade my 286 for a furby than buy into that appz horse shit. Dec 20 20:20:51 Never tried iOS :) and dont tend to. Dec 20 20:20:52 M3WZ3R0, Palestine Dec 20 20:21:02 really dude ?! Dec 20 20:21:10 you should Dec 20 20:21:22 really, the apps own Android's, they're all high quality and stuff Dec 20 20:21:30 they even include segfaults in some cases Dec 20 20:21:44 wriiten in java Dec 20 20:21:50 write once... Dec 20 20:21:52 iOS = apps Dec 20 20:21:54 some are quite good others dont Dec 20 20:21:54