**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Dec 26 02:59:56 2011 Dec 26 03:07:52 got help here, whats the difference between the standard-kernel power, and the bfs kernel power Dec 26 03:08:10 is there one that should be more recommendable Dec 26 03:10:50 bfs is using a new multitasking scheduler, it's not verified that it is any better than the "classical" one Dec 26 03:11:52 due to some problems in repository the newer powerkernel pkgs don't show up in appmanager Dec 26 03:13:50 k, ive just installed pr1.3 vanilla and then the cssu testing and everything is working fine, in the normal repositories i just get powerkernel v42 which is inacceptable, so i added extras-testing and extras-devel to the repos, and look there powerkernel v49 and some kernel i didnt know anything about till now (ergo bfs kernel) Dec 26 03:14:01 and now theres the question which to take Dec 26 03:15:29 though you maybe also are missing the extras-devel catalog which has newer version than extras(-testing) Dec 26 03:16:00 aah, you added it Dec 26 03:16:00 ive added the extras-devel Dec 26 03:16:19 v49 is the newest there regarding the normal power-kernel Dec 26 03:16:27 yep Dec 26 03:16:34 this seems correct Dec 26 03:17:00 i want to use cleven with it, so there might be some i should prefer :)? Dec 26 03:17:27 http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-power/ shows 47 as newest though, so there's some problem anyway. But 49 is freshest you might find Dec 26 03:17:29 and the macchanger didnt work here with the v42 what kinda pissed me off Dec 26 03:18:13 sorry, no experience or idea about cleven Dec 26 03:18:46 ive thought i heard that there is some problem with p-kernel v49, not sure if it is the same case with the bfs-kernel Dec 26 03:23:27 I use 49 with fcam patched in Dec 26 03:23:32 built with GCC 4.5 Dec 26 03:23:34 and hardfp Dec 26 03:26:23 do i have to patch v49? luke-jr? Dec 26 03:27:00 shrug Dec 26 03:27:49 i mean for normal use, not for specific use with fcam Dec 26 04:48:39 DocScrutinizer, thanks for Your very informative messages Dec 26 04:49:04 I'll look into it, trying to learn while doing so :) Dec 26 04:49:12 good night! Dec 26 07:10:37 ~seen MohammadAG Dec 26 07:10:41 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (5d 19h 35m 48s) #harmattan (5d 19h 35m 48s) #meego (5d 19h 35m 48s). Has said a total of 53 messages. Is idling for 4d 19h 15m 23s, last said: 'The pieces were transparent?'. Dec 26 07:13:48 ~seen stskeeps Dec 26 07:13:49 stskeeps is currently on #meego (6d 18h 14m 57s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 1d 8h 16m 51s, last said: 'luke-jr: <- celebrating youle, as a proud scandinavian'. Dec 26 08:56:50 good morning Dec 26 09:34:47 morning to you too Dec 26 10:06:19 I remember there was some page on the wiki on integrating scratchbox with qt-creator Dec 26 10:06:25 but I can't find it anymore Dec 26 10:23:01 hi, tried this, but how to test it? http://www.pittnerovi.com/jiri/hobby/electronics/n900/index.html Dec 26 10:23:29 wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/hello ; wget -O /dev/null http://localhost:9999/:g5ann_001 , should these commands make sound? Dec 26 10:25:24 it's about the voice guided ovi maps Dec 26 10:58:53 i use the OM voice server method. works flawlessly Dec 26 10:59:57 hmm easy to setup? Dec 26 11:00:21 Sicelo, Dec 26 11:02:01 Sicelo, when should you here sound? how can you test it? Dec 26 11:02:41 yes. u just replace the index.html, install omvoiceserver, espeak, and download voice files from nokia in your language Dec 26 11:03:03 om voice server has testing support Dec 26 11:04:22 where do you put the voice files? Dec 26 11:04:37 and where to download them? Dec 26 11:06:30 the voice files are in the link u gave up there. u can put them anywhere. omvoiceserver will then ask u for the location. i put them in MyDocs/cities/Voices/ Dec 26 11:07:34 read the first post of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985 Dec 26 11:08:39 use the first 3 links, and u should be all set Dec 26 11:09:07 well, 4 links, if u count the wiki :P Dec 26 11:10:46 an extremely nifty obscure method to trigger sound output, wget form localhost:9999 to /dev/null Dec 26 11:10:58 rolls up my toe nails ;-P Dec 26 11:11:44 well, there's obviously nothing that can NOT be done, under linux XD Dec 26 11:13:46 but then maybe there's simply no other way to embed sound into a locally hosted website like maps(?), when you can't embed more straight forward approaches like JS, or even java Dec 26 11:15:12 I just wonder if the server running to listen to localhost:9999 and then trigger audio playback, if this server is at least built as a script, nicely with socat and aplay/play-sound and shellscripting :-) Dec 26 11:17:26 probably for that even netcat is sufficiently versatile to handle the http part Dec 26 11:17:39 so no need for socat complexity Dec 26 11:26:45 would it be a good idea to install nitdroid to the internal memory? Dec 26 11:27:48 or are there any side-effects? Dec 26 11:28:34 Sicelo, hmm when I use omvoiceserver for searching it doesn't find anything anymore Dec 26 11:37:03 user: for example your internal memory will be smaller for what meamo can use ;) Dec 26 11:37:10 is the server running? jack_lt Dec 26 11:37:29 Sicelo, how to check or start Dec 26 11:37:56 it is in your application menu. OM Voiceserver Dec 26 11:38:39 and u must have downloaded the correct index.html Dec 26 11:41:06 ok, will check later, thx Dec 26 11:54:33 is there a mod/addon whatever, to mark multiple packages and then install it on a row in the package-manager? Dec 26 11:56:54 none. apt-get ftw Dec 26 11:57:15 i know that it could be possible over apt Dec 26 11:57:53 but the ui would make things a lot easier as you have a overview of the stuff installed Dec 26 11:58:35 it makes me wonder that nobody since yet didnt create an addon or such :) Dec 26 11:58:50 FAM. but to quote merlin1991: "it comes from deeper layers of hell". :-) Dec 26 11:58:58 others use fapman, synaptic, etc. i never tried them Dec 26 12:00:27 fapman? Dec 26 12:02:28 it's FAM .. iirc fapman is the pkg name Dec 26 12:02:42 how large is synaptic as the rootfs space is getting filled kinda fast :S Dec 26 12:03:57 already thought of the 8gb image, but that isnt official stuff :+ Dec 26 12:05:05 8gb rootfs? Dec 26 12:12:06 Sicelo, it says 'server closed' for the rest the test commands works fine Dec 26 12:12:17 Sicelo, but not the search function in ovi maps Dec 26 12:13:02 server closed? weird Dec 26 12:13:22 try launching it from terminal to see where problem is Dec 26 12:14:32 how do I launch it from terminal Dec 26 12:14:47 hmm anyway, need to go now Dec 26 12:14:48 bbl Dec 26 12:14:53 thx Dec 26 12:26:05 Sicelo: i guess so Dec 26 12:27:41 8gb for apps and 22 for MyDocs Dec 26 12:27:42 what Minze? the rootfs? Dec 26 12:27:52 yea Dec 26 12:28:10 i doubt that's rootfs. i think that's 8gb /home Dec 26 12:28:33 idk, didnt check it Dec 26 12:28:33 that's the same thing i want to do whenever i get around to flashing my device Dec 26 12:29:29 that's a 8gb /home since rootfs size is fixed by hw Dec 26 12:29:29 could you explain where the difference lies between /home and MyDocs Dec 26 12:29:53 home is a ext2 I think partition Dec 26 12:30:08 whilst MyDocs is vfat in order to be able to export it via usb to windows machines Dec 26 12:31:17 hmm couldnt it get wiped to a big ext4 partition if i only use linux-based oses like arch :# Dec 26 12:31:54 if maemo was windows, Minze, /home would be (for example) drive C, then /home/user/MyDocs would be D: etc Dec 26 12:31:55 i mean i guess there is the 4gig limitation of fat due to this? Dec 26 12:32:13 yes Minze. there is that limitation, yes Dec 26 12:32:56 Sicelo: yep so its more or less a compatibility layer for windows to access the files Dec 26 12:33:30 as win cant access ext-fs till now Dec 26 12:35:38 * SpeedEvil remembers using windows e2fs drivers in ~1995 Dec 26 12:37:26 well lets say not out off the box Dec 26 12:37:56 Prolly fair enough, yeah. Dec 26 12:39:27 although the n900 is a device targeting users which should be aware to mess around a bit with os's and stuff Dec 26 12:42:07 other than for compatibility reasons an seperate vfat partition wouldnt make sense imo Dec 26 12:44:29 see Dec 26 12:44:33 ~jrtools Dec 26 12:44:34 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Dec 26 12:44:48 for patching fiasco img for larger /home Dec 26 12:45:01 true. although i think nokia also wanted a few non-geeks to use it. who would never even open xterm. i personally know 2 other people here with N900. both have zero clue what linux is. both have never used their xterm Dec 26 12:45:12 \o/ DocScrutinizer Dec 26 12:45:22 ping X-Fade Dec 26 12:45:30 ~seen X-Fade Dec 26 12:45:36 x-fade is currently on #maemo (3d 4h 34m 14s) #harmattan (3d 4h 34m 14s) #meego (3d 4h 34m 14s). Has said a total of 41 messages. Is idling for 2d 23h 14m 32s, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. Dec 26 12:46:05 after all nobody forces you to keep it vfat, so no problem there. Dec 26 12:46:09 Pali: X-Fade never is around on weekends and holidays Dec 26 12:46:35 DocScrutinizer, ok Dec 26 12:46:42 NIN101: there are some dependencies in fremantle to this partition and the fs-type it has Dec 26 12:47:20 sure you have to mount it yourself or patch the scripts... Dec 26 12:47:34 so just changing partition size and keeping a whatever sized vfat MyDocs is the best thing to do Dec 26 12:50:11 the hack on jrtools is tested to iirc 9.99GB /home size, for 2 digits sizes you need to take care about not inserting chars when editing fisco, so you need to <<1char the value, using one of the triling blanks Dec 26 12:50:16 trailing* Dec 26 12:51:05 MyDocs resizes accordingly auto-magically, by simply using what's left over Dec 26 12:52:23 I think anything down to as little as 1GB for MyDocs is sane Dec 26 12:54:27 of course you'll start cursing when you want to fill your device with mp3 or movie data and notice that you need to manually mount the /home via nfs or sshfs or anything to do that Dec 26 12:55:17 then you'll notice that tracker doesn't index /home (AFAIK) and you can't even access your movies/music in /home, unless you patch tracker.cfg Dec 26 12:56:03 if only tracker wouldn't index flash drives via h-e-n Dec 26 12:56:37 "tracker - Your lovely I/O virus!" Dec 26 12:56:46 after you patched tracker.cfg, you'll probably notice that it constantly restarts indexing with every new file you write to home, and this brings your whole device incl copying files to a grinding halt Dec 26 12:57:42 sounds good so far :) Dec 26 12:57:55 yeah, doesn't it? ;-P Dec 26 12:59:08 and yea they might also targeted some non-linux aware users, but wouldnt there be way better alternatives than a n900 Dec 26 12:59:43 i mean its fat bulky and doesnt come with a lot of appz Dec 26 13:00:51 i mean i could understand why people without a clue about linux would get themselfes a N9 as its stylish. Dec 26 13:01:12 well, some were 'fooled' Minze. ominous looking device, 5Mpix camera, advertising videos.. Dec 26 13:01:43 only after they owned the device did they start regreting it. ebay came handy, lol Dec 26 13:02:24 yea i remember the n900 add Dec 26 13:02:26 ad* Dec 26 13:03:59 hmm, thanks DocScrutinizer for mentioning tracker.cfg. i think i can see a way to avoid indexing external drives :) Dec 26 13:05:05 yes, seems there's a dedicated option for that Dec 26 13:05:23 iirc Dec 26 13:05:31 yes. Dec 26 13:42:56 just a little question, how do i remove unneeded stuff from the main-men(will list what i mean in a second) Dec 26 13:43:58 "chess, rss, blocks,marbles, usermanual, ovi-store, Dec 26 13:44:00 ) Dec 26 13:44:18 i didnt find em on the uninstall list Dec 26 13:44:26 `uninstall' them? ;p Dec 26 13:44:41 yea, sure, right. Dec 26 13:44:51 well no, not through `app manager' but you can do it through apt-get for instance (note: may break your setup) Dec 26 13:45:15 there's stuff like apmefo for instance where you can create a `folder' and stash all those things you don't want in there instead :þ Dec 26 13:45:16 how to find out the correct name would be the thing to know Dec 26 13:45:29 even catoriseplus can do it (to some other extent) Dec 26 13:46:11 it comes with a matter of understanding the lying foundations of the package management system behind it. In which this case its deb and dpkg is the management tool Dec 26 13:47:11 so far, so right, problem is, that i guess that those apps i've just listed, are put together in a single package under another name. Dec 26 13:47:25 as its out of the box stuff :) Dec 26 13:47:46 its part of osso-* something :þ Dec 26 13:48:59 hmm I think ruskie at one stage did an extensive hacking into freeing up the maemo `kludge' though I gotta warn you that its not for the faint of heart Dec 26 13:49:47 yeah Dec 26 13:50:19 ruskie: is there a link, where a could read of your work :P Dec 26 13:50:25 wiki Dec 26 13:50:46 yeah User:Ruskie Dec 26 13:50:50 you should find my remove list Dec 26 13:51:03 but there was another way to do it Dec 26 13:51:15 by generating empty packages to replace the actual ones Dec 26 13:51:24 should still have that somewhere as well Dec 26 13:51:57 but isnt your method the nice one? Dec 26 13:52:20 i mean its like replacing soundfiles in a game with empty soundfiles just not to here them^^ Dec 26 13:52:32 I have 2 Dec 26 13:52:39 one was raw remove Dec 26 13:53:09 hmm your remove-list is kinda long :) Dec 26 13:53:15 yeah Dec 26 13:53:35 are you running your device in cli-only mode :P Dec 26 13:53:40 nope Dec 26 13:53:48 but I do a lot of stuff in cli Dec 26 13:56:46 guess i will pickup the things i want to get ride off from your list :) Dec 26 13:58:11 the ovi-widget will be the first to jump off the system Dec 26 13:58:32 dont need all that crappy facebook twitter in your ass crap Dec 26 13:59:03 but thanks anyway for linking me into the right direction ;) Dec 26 14:00:15 ruskie: this ezitext-"x" stuff, are those the language files? Dec 26 14:00:30 that's the predictive text input iirc Dec 26 14:01:07 the language files sadly are usually to intertwined with the core stuff Dec 26 14:01:27 so that requires the replace with empty packages process Dec 26 14:01:51 yep otherwise i would remove all that arent necessary. Dec 26 14:02:04 empty-space matters :P Dec 26 14:07:59 Minze, I also have the script to generate the stuff Dec 26 14:08:11 it should work but I haven't worked with it for a while Dec 26 14:08:14 if you want Dec 26 14:08:44 of course if it doesnt take to much work for you? Dec 26 14:08:47 it generates a repo full of debs Dec 26 14:08:51 on the device Dec 26 14:08:59 then you can install whatever you want from those debs Dec 26 14:09:01 to remove the unneeded stuff you mean Dec 26 14:09:05 yup Dec 26 14:10:12 Minze, http://sprunge.us/VOKL copy that to genbreakrepo Dec 26 14:10:53 chmod +x it Dec 26 14:11:31 thanks :) Dec 26 14:11:44 btw. are the following presumptions right? Dec 26 14:11:46 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=PR2Sx6UA Dec 26 14:14:29 Minze, other than ezitext yeah Dec 26 14:14:33 no clue about ezitext Dec 26 14:14:49 Minze, alse -essential-plugins kinda needs to be there I would guess Dec 26 14:14:56 if you still want to use predictie input Dec 26 14:15:06 Minze, you will need bash for that script of mine btw Dec 26 14:15:08 yea thought so^^ Dec 26 14:15:12 atleast v3 if not further up Dec 26 14:15:20 bash4 is installed ;) Dec 26 14:15:23 ok Dec 26 14:15:34 the rest I think you should have on the system already Dec 26 14:15:53 hmm needs gnu sed as sed Dec 26 14:16:44 the rest should work Dec 26 14:17:06 hmm strange but i have no clue what skyhost Dec 26 14:17:24 and ezitext is as you stated the predictive test stuff :) Dec 26 14:20:20 basically to run it you do ./genbreakrepo gen_break that will generate all the dummy packages based of the core package Dec 26 14:20:37 if you want a backup of a specific package though you can make: ./genbreakrepo gen_backup package_name Dec 26 14:20:48 and it will produce a package based of of the installed stuff Dec 26 14:20:58 as for skyhost probably something to do with skype Dec 26 14:22:57 skyhost? skyhost is the host for skynet ;) Dec 26 14:25:24 merlin1991: it was my first thought ;) Dec 26 14:27:36 another one, is there yet a solution for offline navigation on the n900 Dec 26 14:28:10 i know it has the possibility of assisted gps, but withouth that it should be possible too although slower. Dec 26 14:29:11 Offline works for me Dec 26 14:29:18 there is some app that supports having maps offline and such Dec 26 14:29:39 has anyone done/looked at doing an on phone answerphone ? Dec 26 14:29:55 e.g phone answers after x amount of rings plays recording then records locally Dec 26 14:30:07 my providers answerphones costs to ring.. Dec 26 14:30:13 HyperSnyper: i was looking for smth. like that too :) Dec 26 14:30:48 a mixture of callblocker and automatic answering like for calls from hidden id's Dec 26 14:31:01 also the ability to listen live to answerphone and interupt would be nice Dec 26 14:31:04 hmm would be nice though considering how many calls I get it would be idle 99.99999% of the time Dec 26 14:31:44 i get pissed of by unknown callers... Dec 26 14:32:01 so i could piss them off a bit myself :) Dec 26 14:32:26 i used to have a redirect to premium rate lines on my old nokia Dec 26 14:32:27 callblocker is working though ;) Dec 26 14:32:35 when i used ot get prank calls Dec 26 14:32:53 HyperSnyper, wouldn't you be paying for those? Dec 26 14:33:05 hmm strange though, here when you redirect someone, you are the one paying for the line Dec 26 14:33:11 yeah Dec 26 14:33:22 * DocScrutinizer reads http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project and idly ponders to place a file "MLO" on MyDocs/, to tease ROMBOOT Dec 26 14:33:23 I think in the US the reciever pays the termination fee Dec 26 14:33:36 can't remember how it was setup but i never had credit then Dec 26 14:33:41 and it used to stop the prank calls Dec 26 14:33:49 this was when i was school Dec 26 14:33:56 on a very old nokia bannan phone Dec 26 14:33:59 SpeedEvil: jacekowski^^^ Dec 26 14:34:05 :-D Dec 26 14:34:46 Hi, gentlemen Dec 26 14:34:56 (and whatever ladies happen to come here) Dec 26 14:35:07 probably you could recover from that with cold"flashing" rescue-initrd Dec 26 14:35:30 Doc: Anything new and exciting? Other than initial pointers to the fact that Lumia DID NOT sell? Dec 26 14:35:43 ooh, RST38h - we actually got 2 or 3, much appreciated Dec 26 14:35:55 heh Dec 26 14:36:02 Doc: That is not "sell", that is "give away" Dec 26 14:36:34 RST38h: place a file of random garbage named MyDocs/MLO on your device :-D Dec 26 14:36:48 Doc: Aaaaand? Dec 26 14:36:53 * RST38h gets excited Dec 26 14:37:06 if this isn't exciting enough, make content of that file a valid xloader, with header and all Dec 26 14:37:23 Doc: We are talking about N950? Dec 26 14:37:46 code of xloade may be just an endless loop, to render your device unbootable Dec 26 14:38:00 nope, about N900 for now Dec 26 14:38:10 Ah, I see Dec 26 14:38:12 though should be same for 950/9 Dec 26 14:38:35 * RST38h reads the wiki, decides not to experiment Dec 26 14:38:45 you know what for lumia stands eight? :P Dec 26 14:38:46 But I can aska Nokian about it. Dec 26 14:38:59 there's no security policy on N900 nor on HARM stopping you from doing that Dec 26 14:39:06 Minze: They hoped they could recreated N800 success by calling it 800 =) Dec 26 14:39:25 Doc: I sincerely hope Maemo guys disabled this Dec 26 14:39:33 Doc: Should we query Stskeeps? Dec 26 14:39:43 haha Dec 26 14:39:49 a guy from the maemo forums had a blog about nokia an stuff, kinda funny :) Dec 26 14:40:02 was an ex-nokia employee iirc. Dec 26 14:40:12 Once the partition is found, the root directory is scanned for a special signed file called "MLO" Dec 26 14:40:17 *SIGNED* file, Doc Dec 26 14:40:22 posted a picture of the spanish meaning of lumia ergo "prostitute" Dec 26 14:40:24 Is your garbage signed? Dec 26 14:40:36 checkout SYS_BOOT! Dec 26 14:41:06 yeah, but still wants signed MLO Dec 26 14:41:23 I'm not that sure they would refuse loading a non-signed xloader Dec 26 14:41:46 maybe BOOTROM just switches to openmode Dec 26 14:42:05 Catching Stskeeps looks like a good idea to me Dec 26 14:42:05 s/xloader/MLO/ Dec 26 14:42:17 what for? Dec 26 14:42:31 to make sure we could nuke our devices? Dec 26 14:42:34 He knows unhealthy amounts of info about bootup process Dec 26 14:42:54 what you want to know you can find in the TRM Dec 26 14:43:05 Doc: Not sure how to nuke your device? Do it with microwave. Dec 26 14:43:06 anyway he could recover easily, by booting from serial Dec 26 14:43:13 (and yes, it is ok to /topic that =)) Dec 26 14:43:26 the page also mentions USB boot Dec 26 14:43:37 err rrright Dec 26 14:43:46 I thought the device is set up so that you can cold-flash (boot over USB) Dec 26 14:43:53 I already mentioned cold'flashing' rescue-initrd Dec 26 14:44:27 then nuke MLO Dec 26 14:44:38 a funny attack anyway Dec 26 14:44:46 http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2011/12/23/microsoft-nokia-babies-hate-at-a-distance-love-up-close/ Dec 26 14:45:01 and just maybe even an attack vector for secure mode Dec 26 14:45:02 or here ^^ Dec 26 14:45:03 http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-20125899-71/nokias-lumia-means-um-prostitute-in-spanish/ Dec 26 14:45:50 Minze: guess why we call it hooker800 Dec 26 14:45:55 no news Dec 26 14:46:31 somehow funny, as nokia is droping maemo/meego for wp cause they are getting payed well by microsoft^^ Dec 26 14:46:45 yep, indeed Dec 26 14:47:04 they couldn't find a better name Dec 26 14:47:30 yep really, whoever choosen that modelname, was kinda creative :) Dec 26 14:48:01 Nokia never was short of creativity with their names Dec 26 14:48:08 fiasco Dec 26 14:48:13 nolo Dec 26 14:48:38 don't get me started on chip names Dec 26 14:49:42 not sure what nolo could meant :D Dec 26 14:50:06 nokia loader Dec 26 14:50:09 omething like turd in Norwegian, or sth Dec 26 14:50:32 :D Dec 26 14:51:45 the official meaning of fiasco must have been defined while all the managers been in Italy Dec 26 14:52:05 as everywhere elso on this earth it just means ... FIASCO!!! Dec 26 14:53:13 and indeed it sometimes is Dec 26 14:55:11 not that naming of openmoko was any wiser - mentioning your company name makes every spanish person want to hand you a handkerchief Dec 26 14:56:09 theres an hw-update on its way btw :) Dec 26 14:56:09 our bootloader wasn't NOLO but "dirtyMOKO" Dec 26 14:56:15 XP Dec 26 14:56:22 but imo way to expensive :/ Dec 26 14:56:50 Minze: gta04? yes I know, I'm helping to build it Dec 26 14:57:01 yep Dec 26 14:57:08 * ruskie wonders if there will ever be a model of gta with a physical keyboard Dec 26 14:57:21 although i really things its kinda expensive 799€ Dec 26 14:57:22 and yes it'S way too expensive, though still not earns any money for those who sell it Dec 26 14:57:22 :S Dec 26 14:57:49 think* Dec 26 14:57:56 that'S what you get when building 150 devices Dec 26 14:58:14 is that really the production-number? Dec 26 14:58:22 just 150 devices? Dec 26 14:58:26 mere production costs, not including R&D Dec 26 14:58:34 * ruskie needs to get a CuBox with a touchscreen 7" lcd hdmi as his bedside computer/alarm clock/etc... Dec 26 14:59:27 ruskie: hell it even beats the n900 in size-comparence Dec 26 14:59:27 Minze: yes, unless we don't get to the threshold of the group order, we probably won't see more than those 150 devices built Dec 26 14:59:45 it's basically one guy paying all this from his pocket Dec 26 15:00:06 Minze, heh Dec 26 15:00:09 no foundation behind it? Dec 26 15:00:15 no Dec 26 15:00:18 that is really expensive Dec 26 15:00:41 its sad :( Dec 26 15:01:02 really like the freerunner, although it got replaced by the n900 :) Dec 26 15:01:11 you can fund it by ordering at group order which is substantially cheaper than now IIRC Dec 26 15:01:19 only for the hard core Dec 26 15:01:50 minze: me too Dec 26 15:02:11 I think the group order thinhie needs at least 350 orders to start, each order above that will make it cheaper for everybody Dec 26 15:02:24 how does much does that cubox cost, and why is there a hdmi output, would it really be able to display lets say 720p content as mkv for exmaple ruskie Dec 26 15:02:36 Minze, it's 99eur+shipping Dec 26 15:02:40 minze: and now I replaced the n900 by a n9 Dec 26 15:02:50 I believe it can do 1080p hdmi Dec 26 15:02:51 nah wouldnt do that :) Dec 26 15:02:58 it has a dedicated decoding chip Dec 26 15:03:12 k, fine thing :) Dec 26 15:03:27 * DocScrutinizer starts watching fleabay for his 3rd and 4th N900, just for spare stock Dec 26 15:03:30 might should think about getting myself one, if there are resellers in germany Dec 26 15:03:42 the cubox is direct sell Dec 26 15:03:48 they'll send it directly Dec 26 15:04:19 costs 30 eur for shipping to slovenia Dec 26 15:05:40 could sell my second n900 :) Dec 26 15:05:49 I still have just the first Dec 26 15:05:57 in just went out of warranty 4th of december Dec 26 15:06:26 its a funny story. Dec 26 15:06:47 my first one had a defect, so that i returned it to amazon for a new one Dec 26 15:07:01 strange that they send me both back xD Dec 26 15:07:09 heh Dec 26 15:07:10 nice Dec 26 15:07:16 guess it was an error, but well i dont mind :D Dec 26 15:07:56 and the first one seemed had a broken usb-connector that i fixed :) Dec 26 15:08:09 so i could simply put one in ebay :) Dec 26 15:08:42 ive seen guys paying up to 340€ for an used n900 some days before christmas Dec 26 15:09:15 but didnt jump on that "sell n900 for a lot of money on ebay"- train Dec 26 15:10:10 Minze: http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=GTA04 Group Tour Dec 26 15:10:20 *cough* Dec 26 15:10:22 who knows, if one of them get broken in some time Dec 26 15:10:32 * DocScrutinizer hates URLs with whitespace Dec 26 15:10:42 Dec 26 15:10:55 its the devils board :) Dec 26 15:11:02 for 666,66€ Dec 26 15:12:41 strange price though :) Dec 26 15:12:53 eh? >>regular: 499€<< Dec 26 15:13:06 hmm gotta take another look Dec 26 15:13:16 Dec 26 15:13:43 ahh actually they are still seeling them for 449 :D Dec 26 15:14:03 thats cool :) Dec 26 15:15:06 but still, its outdated before it even got into production :( Dec 26 15:15:27 and yea, newer hardware would even higher the price-tags i know -.- Dec 26 15:15:46 a real doom-loop Dec 26 15:17:27 you can't even get "newer hardware" - we're not Nokia or Samsung Dec 26 15:17:51 chip manufs like TI won't even pick up the phone when we call them Dec 26 15:17:55 almost impossible to get an up-to-date device that is fully open(sourced) without paying thousands of dollars in small number production Dec 26 15:18:17 or even worser as you stated :/ Dec 26 15:18:39 pay millions, no matter what's the production volume, and you get newest hw Dec 26 15:19:02 yea, shitty world we're living in :/ Dec 26 15:19:34 anyway I prefer open mature hw to bleeding edge with closed source shitty OS on top Dec 26 15:20:13 yea, the freerunner isnt bad really, although a hw-keyboards would be nice. Dec 26 15:20:24 indeed Dec 26 15:20:28 on the other hand that wouldnt be upgradable for freerunner-users Dec 26 15:20:29 :/ Dec 26 15:20:37 GTA04 schematics already have kbd option :-D Dec 26 15:20:43 narf. Dec 26 15:21:33 seems Nikolaus plans for hw-kbd with a BETTER CASE and nice display, for GTA05 TBD in 2012 Dec 26 15:21:35 i believe it, its just dont fit into the regular case. Dec 26 15:22:06 question is what price-tag are we talking about for gta05 :) Dec 26 15:22:17 the case is a PITA anyway Dec 26 15:22:44 the case is the easy part, maybe even the cheapest :) Dec 26 15:23:14 look at pricetag of e.g. TI OMAP zoom-II, then say "thanks goldelico for the really nice price!" :-D Dec 26 15:23:28 DocScrutinizer, hmm that sounds interesting(gta05) Dec 26 15:24:00 Minze: HAHA, moulds: 200k-bucks Dec 26 15:24:28 once you got moulds, the plastic crap actually is cheap per unit Dec 26 15:25:34 hmm dont know were to spent 200k bucks for. Dec 26 15:25:34 you see, for 25k units we could build *very* nice cases at ~10bucks per case Dec 26 15:25:57 i used build cnc stuff myself :) Dec 26 15:26:22 would guess r/d a case is the most expensive. Dec 26 15:26:26 for a million devices (I guess that'S what N900 was) the case is ~50ct Dec 26 15:26:32 production isnt. Dec 26 15:27:02 btw. Dec 26 15:27:11 the "TI OMAP zoom-II" looks kinda cool :) Dec 26 15:27:15 it's the molds which have to be done by hand from massive blocks of steel, to extreme precision, and are very complex Dec 26 15:27:24 as an slider, it would be awesome^^ Dec 26 15:27:32 care to help with weird depence-issues? libeet1 depends on libeina1. when upgrading, it says it's already on latest. Dec 26 15:27:39 Minze: (zoom-II) until you find ourt about the pricetag Dec 26 15:27:49 which is? Dec 26 15:27:53 ~2k Dec 26 15:28:11 which currency :P Dec 26 15:28:16 USD? Dec 26 15:28:20 EURO? Dec 26 15:28:22 dunno Dec 26 15:28:49 nah just kidding, wouldnt make a too big difference though^ Dec 26 15:29:08 exactly, that's why I dunno Dec 26 15:29:41 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/02/zoom-ti-001.jpg Dec 26 15:29:51 docking-station included :) Dec 26 15:29:58 I actally pondered to get zoom-II before N900 got available, but then I found out the normal size SD card protrudes from case when plugged Dec 26 15:30:28 an absolute nogo Dec 26 15:31:00 build yourself a new updated case! Dec 26 15:31:02 :) Dec 26 15:31:04 also they prematurely canceled the variant with GSM/3G-modem, due to RoHS issues Dec 26 15:31:31 lol us-marked only then :/ Dec 26 15:31:36 which made me laugh rather satanically Dec 26 15:32:05 guess even nitdroid would be more usable that that device in europe :) Dec 26 15:32:11 than* Dec 26 15:33:08 but atleast their keyboard is 4lined Dec 26 15:33:40 not an must-have. but a nice-to-have Dec 26 15:33:45 a* Dec 26 15:37:09 well i got to go, have a nice day! :) Dec 26 17:38:19 where is kernel power 46? ive added extras-devel repository but cant find kernel power 46. what's the name of that? Dec 26 17:39:23 TimmyT: package name should be kernel-power Dec 26 17:41:25 apt-get install kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo46 Dec 26 17:41:27 is it possible to use "uboot for kernel-power 46" for kernel power 42? Dec 26 17:41:34 ^^ should install anf flash kernel power 46 Dec 26 17:41:37 That conversation about manufacturers not picking up the phone reminds me of the Cordia Tab: http://cordiatab.com/ Dec 26 17:42:07 TimmyT: no, since uboot works otherwise Dec 26 17:42:40 uboot practically is a kernel that has a bootloader + a fallback kernel attached Dec 26 17:42:57 and the fallbackkernel is what you boot when you type "run noloboot" Dec 26 17:43:35 well, is not it because i have installed kernel 42 before? Dec 26 17:43:51 what do you mean? Dec 26 17:44:46 nothin,sry Dec 26 18:45:15 Sicelo, seems to work now, thx. only you need Internet connection for the search function in ovi maps apparently Dec 26 18:51:59 kewl Dec 26 18:52:18 thank Blaizzen Dec 26 18:53:05 is there a dutch language for ovi maps? Dec 26 18:53:37 i dunno. shouldn't that go with locale/region? Dec 26 18:54:50 for english_us we downloaded a special zip file right? Dec 26 18:56:13 oh, u mean voices. i'm sure there is a dutch voice. looks in that link one more. or get them from a symbian phone somewhere Dec 26 19:00:13 hmmm, i wasn't aware HAM seems to autoremove packages it think are 'useless'. espeak is gone, and i know for sure i installed it a week ago, and didn't remove it thereafter. Dec 26 22:01:48 hiii Dec 26 22:03:43 some one tell me how to get scratchbox or apt-build on my n900 Dec 26 22:05:07 zozeta2: there is no such a thing as apt-build Dec 26 22:05:20 scratchbox is for cross compiling on your pc Dec 26 22:05:36 you do can get gcc make and friends on the n900 if you add the sdk repo Dec 26 22:05:50 but it's risky since it eats up your rootfs space way too fast Dec 26 22:07:37 hi Dec 26 22:07:52 Just copy / to a chroot, then apt-get build-essentials to the chroot, and do stuff in that Dec 26 22:07:55 works well Dec 26 22:08:10 http://hpaste.org/55745 got a problem with my apt-get Dec 26 22:08:24 O have extras-devel activated Dec 26 22:08:38 any idea how to fix? Dec 26 22:08:44 *I have Dec 26 22:15:10 so if i can i do in xterm like this for this or the repo wil not accept apt-get install build-essentails Dec 26 22:15:38 Hello, is it possible to stream audio to the n900 using ad2p? Dec 26 22:16:01 I have enabled "source" in the bluetooth configuration, but bluez doesnt buy it :) Dec 26 22:16:32 oohh some elss can we make my music gos on to lestin it online ? like radios Dec 26 22:19:22 build-essentails no package foun Dec 26 22:19:28 found Dec 26 22:19:53 essentials ? Dec 26 22:20:13 ooooo so i have to make apt-get o ? Dec 26 22:20:16 hehehheh Dec 26 22:20:44 you need to add the tols repository Dec 26 22:20:45 tools Dec 26 22:20:48 search the wiki Dec 26 22:21:31 repositroy enable for extra-devle Dec 26 22:27:46 how iam confused ?? Dec 26 22:27:52 i donwload now chroot Dec 26 22:46:46 merline ? Dec 26 22:47:31 hmm navit crashes after adding a navit.xml file Dec 26 22:47:49 ya sure Dec 26 22:57:39 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Dec 26 22:57:53 hmm, de API seems to support streaming audio to the n900 --> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/bluez/audio-api.txt (chap. AudioSource hierarchy) Dec 26 23:21:58 hi cant ant work for building deb files ????...... Dec 26 23:22:24 the 41mb application Dec 26 23:33:25 hello Dec 26 23:35:32 hi Dec 26 23:36:41 hi Dec 26 23:37:57 hi Dec 26 23:38:26 hi Dec 26 23:38:51 herro Dec 26 23:38:57 ?? Dec 26 23:39:02 whereo Dec 26 23:42:21 ????? Dec 26 23:59:29 ????? Dec 27 00:01:30 (===== -__-__-fffffff-__--__-=====) Dec 27 00:04:39 ls Dec 27 00:07:09 how to chroot to apt-get build-essentials Dec 27 00:07:11 ???? Dec 27 00:08:10 aa how dont u tellme ? Dec 27 00:09:41 hey tell me how to be a n900 Dec 27 00:10:34 nitendo where are u help me Dec 27 00:11:19 admin nitdendo help me to chroot on the apt-get build-essential Dec 27 00:11:41 you should say 'sudo ... ' Dec 27 00:12:17 dpkg Dec 27 00:12:24 ??? Dec 27 00:12:55 http://xkcd.com/149/ :) Dec 27 00:15:45 thx but done leaf me ill come back wentoread the site Dec 27 00:16:33 are you using google translate on irc? Dec 27 00:17:07 tarce me u will now and tell me Dec 27 00:18:27 me in the xchat client bye what ? Dec 27 00:18:39 by Dec 27 00:19:25 no he isn't. Dec 27 00:19:49 so iam on wt Dec 27 00:23:16 hey iam grinding in the story so when i will chroot ? in picture when door open and get the colurd mentos so give me how to build-essentials or she will not Dec 27 00:28:39 ???? Dec 27 00:29:00 i read the site wt ells Dec 27 00:30:00 aaaaaaaaaaaa ther in top fourms good Dec 27 00:30:05 yayayayayaaaaa Dec 27 00:30:21 didnt see it yamaaaan Dec 27 00:42:58 يا زلمي حكيلي Dec 27 00:45:30 وينكم ؟؟؟ ردو علي Dec 27 01:23:26 guys, what is common problem for n900? any user here? Dec 27 01:24:09 there's a lot Dec 27 01:24:14 nothing quite works perfectly Dec 27 01:24:24 for example, video recording always skips frames Dec 27 01:24:37 MMS (picture texting) doesn't work at all Dec 27 01:24:41 etc Dec 27 01:28:43 Anyone know if there is a way to get debug output from bootmenu? Dec 27 02:59:30 luke-jr, thanks for the input.. i just bought 1 ..will arrive tmrow ot next after tmrow.. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Dec 27 02:59:56 2011