**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 28 02:59:57 2011 Dec 28 09:06:07 Hi. My N900 is connected via USB networking to my PC, no WiFi connection. I have setup networking on both sides so my PC and the N900 can speak to each other. Now I have written a Qt application which uses a QTcpSocket to connect to a service on my PC. While the connection and data transfer works fine, the call to connectToHost() brings up the "Select connection" dialog because apparently the N900 thinks that the USB networking connect Dec 28 09:30:50 guys, its normal to see orange led blinking while charging.. drained battery... and n900 cant turn on Dec 28 10:33:46 mihu: see menuentry "OpenELEC.tv debug" { Dec 28 10:33:46 insmod ext2 Dec 28 10:33:46 set root=(hd0,6) Dec 28 10:33:46 linux /openelec/KERNEL boot=/dev/sda6 debugging textmode quiet Dec 28 10:33:46 } Dec 28 10:33:50 arf Dec 28 10:33:55 mihu: see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications Dec 28 10:33:59 copy fail :D Dec 28 10:35:30 merlin1991: Ah, thank you. That's what I have been looking for. Dec 28 11:25:38 has there been any update recently that might cause a n900 to randomly switch off Dec 28 11:27:03 doubt it, then again it also depends on your setup Dec 28 11:30:27 twice in the last 2 weeks ive found my phone switched off Dec 28 11:30:59 when it boots up it says it crashed and custom kernel settings havnt been loaded Dec 28 11:31:16 probably ran out of power and/or faulty battery Dec 28 11:31:42 isnt flat battery, as when i start it again battery is full and it runs for a whole day Dec 28 11:31:54 could be bad battery connection Dec 28 11:32:02 sometimes dmesg maybe useful Dec 28 13:59:00 ping X-Fade Dec 28 13:59:07 ~seen X-Fade Dec 28 13:59:10 x-fade is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'gri: Security through obscurity is always a false sense.'. Dec 28 14:09:14 DocS: Here? Dec 28 14:10:39 DocScrutinizer: You will absolutely love this one: http://media.scmagazineus.com/documents/23/1-main_5531.pdf Dec 28 14:10:52 (may want to scroll past the formal pages) Dec 28 14:19:17 makes me feel nausea, each time I read such stuff Dec 28 14:39:43 DocS: Lots of nausea lately =( Dec 28 14:41:41 i'm googlin for usb.h but i cannot find right package, can anyone help me? Dec 28 15:07:41 guly: no Dec 28 15:08:12 guly: because nobody knows what you need to feel helped Dec 28 15:09:33 Dec 28 15:09:37 the answer is 42 eh, libusb-dev. Dec 28 15:13:40 sure, i messed repository..thanks Dec 28 15:15:17 hi there is there a possibility to gps-log found wifi-spots? Dec 28 15:15:33 i tried it with kismet, but it didnt work sadly :( Dec 28 15:23:31 and is there a tool that regulary updates the wifi-list? Dec 28 15:23:44 i mean lets say, every 5sek for example :) Dec 28 15:23:53 wifeye Dec 28 15:24:11 *wifieye Dec 28 15:24:13 is it faster than the normal hildon-app? Dec 28 15:25:02 it uses fancy color, so yes :) Dec 28 15:25:29 lol color doesnt matter, it could run in the console if it updates faster :D Dec 28 15:26:25 ahh everything i need :) Dec 28 15:26:32 even displays the strenght :) Dec 28 15:28:08 love it already :) Dec 28 15:28:42 would be the killer-app if it would log the gps-data to the wifispots Dec 28 15:29:35 log at all is missin, IIRC :( Dec 28 15:29:47 yep sadly :( Dec 28 15:30:25 kismet should be able to do the job too, but didnt work here, will play around a bit with it, when i get some spare time :) Dec 28 15:32:02 and what would you recommend as minimalistic gpslogger? Dec 28 15:32:20 just for track-logging, withouth maps and anything Dec 28 15:32:36 location-test-gui Dec 28 15:33:03 it it possible to save it to lets say, a gpx-file? Dec 28 15:33:29 gpsjinni does that, iirc Dec 28 15:34:00 needs to be minimalistic and fast Dec 28 15:57:44 On my old blackberry, I could press a button, type a string (which ended up being the subject) and hit send. It would send an email to a predetermined address. I used it for reminders when I was out ang about. Dec 28 15:58:10 If there a way I could add an icon to the desktop of my n900 to get the same functionality? Dec 28 16:16:44 basically if one would write a program like that, yes. Or something with that http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#New_e-mail Dec 28 16:25:34 NIN101: So would I change the "mailto:" to "mailto:foo@bar.com" ? Dec 28 16:25:45 I think so. Dec 28 16:26:19 I wonder where the subject goes? I don't really need to worry about the body. Dec 28 16:27:41 maybe mailto:foo@bar.com?subject=beerplease ? Dec 28 16:28:06 as far as I understand it, modest (the e-mail program) will open. Dec 28 16:28:54 ahh ok. I'll fiddling. Thanks for the direction. Dec 28 18:38:03 could someone help me to installa power kernel to my n900 Dec 28 18:38:54 i try to install it from app manager but it doesn't work that way. I managed to get rooth but i don't know which command i should use to install power kernel Dec 28 18:39:50 what happens when u try it from app manage? Dec 28 18:40:23 it says that it cannot install this program in finnish Dec 28 18:41:01 some kind of conflict Dec 28 18:43:07 conflict with which program/package? Dec 28 18:45:38 jees Dec 28 18:45:46 with the package Dec 28 18:46:13 kenel modelus-maemo Dec 28 18:46:26 kernel-maemo are the this are confict Dec 28 18:48:56 easy question how i can check which pr i am using at the moment Dec 28 18:50:06 u can see that from going into Settings. at the bottom it says About Product. tell us that Dec 28 18:51:29 how do I change the shell environment for osso-xterm to bash? Dec 28 18:51:51 it only tell my the version is that the right one 21.2011-38-1 Dec 28 18:51:57 iirc that's not so safe badcloud_ Dec 28 18:52:10 Jiri: u are on latest pr Dec 28 18:52:40 Sicelo: ok Dec 28 18:52:41 btw, i think u have some kernel power already Jiri. what does `uname -a` say? Dec 28 18:52:49 good to know :) Dec 28 18:53:14 i'm not 100% sure badcloud_, but i kinda remember it being said here Dec 28 18:53:33 2.6.28-omap1 Dec 28 18:55:29 is that some kind of power kernel Dec 28 18:55:35 ok. i don't remember ever having that error about conflict in that situation. which Kernel are u trying to install? Dec 28 18:55:47 no. u are on original/stock kernel Dec 28 18:55:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power Dec 28 18:56:31 app list i have tried all.. but linux kernel for power user Dec 28 18:58:43 is that the one u are installing? linux kernel for power user? Dec 28 18:58:54 yes Dec 28 18:59:01 linux kernel for power user Dec 28 18:59:20 i have some times some problem with my internal memory i wondering if that the problem... Dec 28 18:59:55 weird. u can install kernel from command line (i did) but others prefer u do kernel stuff via app manager Dec 28 19:00:39 well how i do that? Dec 28 19:01:18 at your own risk ;) Dec 28 19:01:59 apt-get install kernel-power Dec 28 19:02:13 well i tyr one more time reboot Dec 28 19:02:23 and if not working i will then try that Dec 28 19:02:44 it should also force installation of kernel-power-modules, and kernel-power-flasher Dec 28 19:03:51 should i do that first before installing power kernel Dec 28 19:04:03 what first? Dec 28 19:04:18 yes which one first ? Dec 28 19:04:19 kernel-power-modules Dec 28 19:04:22 kernel-power-flasher Dec 28 19:04:31 apt-get install kernel-power will install the kernel and the dependencies automatically :) Dec 28 19:04:31 or power kernel Dec 28 19:04:38 ok Dec 28 19:05:24 before u put in your yes, just make sure the other 2 packages will be installed Dec 28 19:05:32 when i am installing this power kernel should i have it connected to usb? Dec 28 19:06:23 better not. i don't think it makes a difference, but it doesn't hurt to be safe Dec 28 19:06:56 ok Dec 28 19:09:54 one more thing i have extras devel on Dec 28 19:09:58 should i disable these? Dec 28 19:11:13 and some reason it takes very long time to load this app manager list Dec 28 19:11:46 iirc that's where kernel is. so i think u should leave it on. yes, it takes time, but that's 'normal' Dec 28 19:12:04 i have disable extras Dec 28 19:12:15 but the extras devel is on Dec 28 19:16:09 sicelo is there way to make backup if something goes wrong i can allways reset this? Dec 28 19:17:14 normal backup application. u can also use robbiethe1st's BackupMenu. very good Dec 28 19:22:59 but i mean kernel and the whole thing Dec 28 19:23:44 backupmen is your tool Dec 28 19:23:57 *backupmenu Dec 28 20:05:43 ok i manged to make bakcup Dec 28 20:09:22 so if something goes horibly wrong i can allways but back this backup which i just made ? Dec 28 20:10:36 yes Dec 28 20:10:51 20111228-1949-optfs.tar Dec 28 20:10:55 20111228-1949-rootfs.tar Dec 28 20:11:13 with these two files i don't need anything else ? Dec 28 20:11:36 except yur stuff on MyDocs, no Dec 28 20:12:24 yes but i allready backup these files with normal nokia suite Dec 28 20:12:39 ok so now to power kernel installation Dec 28 20:13:14 DocScrutinizer51 or do you know why i could not install this power kernel normally with app manager Dec 28 20:13:27 it says something about confict in kernel-module Dec 28 20:13:52 omm, sth went wrong on buildserver IIRC Dec 28 20:14:15 Anyone ever use Dropbear SSH on the n900? Dec 28 20:14:57 probably powerkernel is best installed from local dpkg files with dpkg -i Dec 28 20:15:18 ö? what? Dec 28 20:15:39 The binary in the extras repos is old now, last update to dropbear at large was this November. Dec 28 20:16:08 The author said he hasn't got a maemo dev setup anymore. Dec 28 20:16:37 Anyone interested to port the latest ver. ? Dec 28 20:16:49 the repo is full of outdated software... for example openssh too, so if you want the newest version, compile them yourself. Dec 28 20:17:07 Yuo. Dec 28 20:17:12 *yup Dec 28 20:18:01 Gathering courage to do it - never compiled anything before save for something way back in 2000. Dec 28 20:50:30 thank you Sicelo very much Dec 28 20:51:48 yw ;) Dec 28 21:07:24 hi there :) Dec 28 21:08:01 got some questions here regarding n900 and security :) Dec 28 21:08:39 is there a possibility to savely wipe the n900 memory? Dec 28 21:10:13 and did yet anyone try to fully encrypr n900's partitions or atleast the partitions which contains sensitive data? Dec 28 21:13:23 I encrypted myDocs and the home partition Dec 28 21:13:55 I think truecrypt is available for the N900 Dec 28 21:18:17 NIN101: how long did that take, and did it affect performance badly? Dec 28 21:19:10 and did you do it yourself, or is there a tutorial i could check therefore? Dec 28 21:22:25 encrypting mmcblk0p2 (home) is kinda PITA, but possible. it didn't affect performance badly, not noticeable in daily use for me at least. yes, I did it myself, and there is a "tutorial" I wrote: http://216.189.8.164/N900/crypto/encrypted_home/README and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68419 Dec 28 21:25:51 is there easy way to share my internet connection with bluetooth with n900? Dec 28 21:28:15 bluetooth tethering? Dec 28 21:28:55 not quite sure but i guess "mobile-hotspot" does that Dec 28 21:29:35 NIN101: i'd have to say thanks already for that tutorial :) Dec 28 21:30:47 yw Dec 28 21:32:19 hmm what happens if i have to reflash and i got a encrypted home partition other than loosing my data? Dec 28 21:32:51 You restore from backups. Dec 28 21:33:00 reflashing combined with an encrypted partition is hell on earth. Dec 28 21:33:30 at least it boots. Dec 28 21:35:25 a bit more detailed please :) Dec 28 21:35:27 well ok I did it once, you basically just have to modify the bootscripts again and install cryptsetup again. The only thing why it is help is that your home partition obviously is not mounted and you are short on space for some other stuff. Dec 28 21:35:40 s/help/hell Dec 28 21:38:02 urghh :S Dec 28 21:38:23 doesnt sound that funny Dec 28 21:38:28 but hey, therefore you just stop fucking up your system :-). Dec 28 21:39:10 no more messing around, no more fun :( Dec 28 21:46:08 before i think again about (almost)-full-systemencryption, is there a method to securely erase the n900's memory Dec 28 21:46:34 No. Dec 28 21:46:52 Well - yes for the onenand chip Dec 28 21:46:54 no for the emmc Dec 28 21:46:59 i've tried photorec and recovered a hell of a lot of stuff Dec 28 21:47:02 For the SD - just remove and eat. Dec 28 21:47:28 do they really taste like chicken? Dec 28 21:47:39 Depends what's on the car.d Dec 28 21:48:21 does it go well with hot salsa sauce :P Dec 28 21:50:43 kidding, there is really no possibility to savely wipe the MyDocs folders other than making some n900 chip BBQ :)? Dec 28 21:51:30 No. Dec 28 21:51:48 The emmc is _not_ a block device. Dec 28 21:52:10 It's a lot of flash chips, connected to a controller over which you have no insight, pretending to be a block device. Dec 28 21:52:30 You can never tell if it will ever erase a block that it detects has failed, for example. Dec 28 21:53:29 true. but you could check how many files you still be able to recover? Dec 28 21:53:47 with photorec for example? Dec 28 21:53:50 that would depends on the recovery software Dec 28 21:54:26 prob afew methods of recovering data Dec 28 21:56:02 so encrypt the possible to be encrypted "partitions" would make more sense? Dec 28 21:56:39 user__: Zero Dec 28 21:56:57 user__: Fragments of files may be recoverable by dissasembly of the SD Dec 28 21:57:14 dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmc1 Dec 28 21:57:25 or whatever it is will wipe it completely from a user-POV Dec 28 21:57:50 hmm what are you referring to as SD? Dec 28 21:58:29 the removable microSD Dec 28 21:59:27 hmm got none here atleast, just talking about the internal memory Dec 28 22:00:00 Above goes for both SD and internal eMMC - it's just you can remove the SD Dec 28 22:00:23 or do you want to say, that it would be the better solution to simply saving files on the sd as it is removable Dec 28 22:00:30 ahh i c :) Dec 28 22:02:36 nevertheless, theres still the question why should i benefit of smth like that if just simple opening a file written to the sd, would move it to the tmp Dec 28 22:03:11 folder, therefore back to the internal :( Dec 28 22:05:18 guess the n900 isnt quite save, regarding the easiness to recover sensitive data :( Dec 28 22:07:12 unless you start encrypting from day 1. Dec 28 22:08:22 but wouldnt that bring me into hell? Dec 28 22:08:39 simply because of the need to flash :D Dec 28 22:08:54 do any smartphones have full encryption ? Dec 28 22:09:11 yes, cryptophones :) Dec 28 22:10:38 who said you must flash? I simply said that encrypting /home/ and after that reflashing COMBINED is a bit of a pain, nothing more. Dec 28 22:10:39 thats not a smartphone ;P Dec 28 22:11:17 with price-tags that easily top apple stuff, atleast from the perspective of someone living in europe Dec 28 22:11:38 they got phones and smartphones with fse Dec 28 22:11:53 and only ones i can see being sold to "citizens" are dumbphones Dec 28 22:11:58 although ive not looked much Dec 28 22:12:14 just a matter of money Dec 28 22:13:01 the simple ones go out for 1000€ Dec 28 22:14:03 up to 15000€ where you get features you might never hears about (me included) Dec 28 22:14:15 heard* Dec 28 22:15:04 Phones today are silly. Dec 28 22:15:17 You can hold a really good amount of one-time-pad in RAM. Dec 28 22:15:29 just for example on the fly imei change in a period of time that you can choose Dec 28 22:15:51 sounds fun Dec 28 22:15:55 or filtering out ping packets Dec 28 22:16:19 Youcannot filter out ping packets, as they are required for you to be logged onto the network Dec 28 22:16:33 wouldnt you need to swap the sim alot to make imei changing effective Dec 28 22:16:34 ;P Dec 28 22:17:12 yea imsi change shouldnt be included sadly i guess but who knows Dec 28 22:18:25 atleast some friend working for such a company told me about the ping packet filtering (however it might be possible or not) Dec 28 22:18:52 nevertheless then again, its a matter of trust Dec 28 22:19:29 who garantuee you that there isnt some kind of backdore included Dec 28 22:20:15 backdoor* Dec 28 22:21:10 HyperSnyper: how's imei related to SIM? Dec 28 22:21:12 You can't be logged into any network withou thte network knowing you're there. Dec 28 22:21:21 Or that some phone with a given ID is there. Dec 28 22:21:33 well im guessinf imei changing would be done to stop tracking of phone Dec 28 22:21:42 and thats be pretty useless using same SIm after swap Dec 28 22:21:43 ? Dec 28 22:21:51 IMEI changing eoesn't help much. Dec 28 22:22:03 If you keep calling hte same people Dec 28 22:22:06 changing IMEI is BS Dec 28 22:22:13 completely useless Dec 28 22:22:23 changing IMSI would make more sense i assume Dec 28 22:22:24 It's not useless, combined with a sim-swap Dec 28 22:22:25 it's the IMSI that counts Dec 28 22:22:34 nah depends on the rest Dec 28 22:22:41 I would be surprised if the networks can't track on both, if they so desire. Dec 28 22:22:47 but you would probably want to change imei when you switch imsi Dec 28 22:23:07 sure network can track IMEI, after all you can blacklist IMEIs Dec 28 22:23:31 but the actual login is linked to the IMSI, not to the IMEI Dec 28 22:23:48 person x and person y both swap regulary sims and change imei's how to track them down? Dec 28 22:23:50 frals: yep, probably Dec 28 22:24:07 user__: because they call person i,j,k Dec 28 22:24:14 indeed Dec 28 22:24:15 user__: From locations p,q,r Dec 28 22:24:21 after every call for very very very. iam saying VERYmparanoid peope Dec 28 22:24:41 user__: Correlate location with numbers called, and IMEI/IMSI is a red-herring. Dec 28 22:24:44 nobody (except SpeedEvil and me ;-D) seems to notice how unique a certain set of called nimbers is Dec 28 22:24:47 You don't need it to identify the user. Dec 28 22:25:01 And that's before you get into shizzle like voiceprints Dec 28 22:25:40 if that isnt encrypted by defaulr on a cryptophone :p Dec 28 22:25:48 you can even associate prepaid calling cards for phone booth to a certain user, simply by serial# of the card and the 20..50 cals done on that card serial# Dec 28 22:26:48 is location/dialer/reciever logged by default on most networks ? Dec 28 22:26:54 The safest way is probably VOIP, over a codec which _DOES_NOT_ compress voice, over a VPN. Dec 28 22:27:15 And even that has issues of traffic analysis which you need to defeat. Dec 28 22:27:29 cryptophones can just provide ONE thing: secure *communication* that can't get eavesdropped except for identity of both ends, and time, duration, obviously Dec 28 22:28:13 HyperSnyper: you bet it is logged on every network Dec 28 22:28:23 just cell tower for location ? Dec 28 22:28:24 Well - not quite Dec 28 22:28:29 aaaaww, infobot Dec 28 22:28:40 what's up with her again? Dec 28 22:28:41 what you mean by serial of card? Dec 28 22:28:45 In principle, you could defeat traffic analysis totally by simply streaming 8k/s all the time. Dec 28 22:28:53 It's 'only' 500M/day Dec 28 22:29:02 do they use some kinda timing to work out distance from tower aswell ? Dec 28 22:29:05 user__: each prepaid smartcard has a serial number Dec 28 22:29:08 HyperSnyper: yes. Dec 28 22:29:35 HyperSnyper: yes, usually just cell tower, or even LAC Dec 28 22:29:54 which can be as many as dozens of BTS Dec 28 22:30:32 ~welcome Dec 28 22:30:39 interesting to know Dec 28 22:30:54 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Dec 28 22:31:02 ~welcome Dec 28 22:31:02 thx Dec 28 22:31:51 is the n900 modem if that even the right area, to locked down, to try any spoofing of tming attacks, or triangluation ? Dec 28 22:32:17 please rephrase - doesn't parse Dec 28 22:32:25 yes but how would you track down people using used sim-cards from different providers registered by different people as they are used, and with imei change after every encrypted calls or maybe encrypted messages? Dec 28 22:32:45 i remember reading up awhile ago about different methods used ot track Dec 28 22:32:53 user__: simple: I wouldn't Dec 28 22:32:55 one was to measuring timings between phone/mast Dec 28 22:33:03 and another was between multiple masts Dec 28 22:33:18 is it possible to manupliate any of that on the n900 Dec 28 22:33:20 sure they can tell you call x came from location z Dec 28 22:33:26 or too restricted by modem Dec 28 22:33:32 yes, I wrote a small post about it some years ago Dec 28 22:33:40 user__: User A logs off. Assume they are walking - User B logs on. If A is within walking distance of B, A may be B Dec 28 22:33:54 Has A and B ever been on at the same time before? Dec 28 22:34:05 If not, then they are probably not the same person, ... Dec 28 22:34:05 HyperSnyper: BB5 N900 modem firmware is not allowing to mess with any of that Dec 28 22:34:11 Lots of heuristics like this. Dec 28 22:34:13 guessed so Dec 28 22:34:13 for us mere mortals Dec 28 22:34:33 hmm thats cool in fact :) Dec 28 22:35:01 * DocScrutinizer yawns Dec 28 22:35:02 * HyperSnyper puts his tinfoil hat back on Dec 28 22:35:06 this keep sme safer Dec 28 22:35:09 :d Dec 28 22:35:36 HyperSnyper: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html Dec 28 22:36:12 heh. guess i must of asked similar question before Dec 28 22:36:16 already had that page saved Dec 28 22:36:19 that article is form mobile equipment POV, of course carrier can do same, plus some more Dec 28 22:36:20 see Dec 28 22:36:27 ~gam-agps Dec 28 22:36:32 ~gsm-agps Dec 28 22:36:32 rrlp is probably the Radio Resource LCS (Location Service) Protocol as specified first in GSM TS 04.31, or http://security.osmocom.org/trac/wiki/RRLP Dec 28 22:36:55 hmm on the other hand, who the hell would be that paranoid :) Dec 28 22:39:28 IF I were to initiate a call that can't get traced to me, I'd use a UMTS phone to get inetrnet from a very remote BTS (with several closer BTS), by using a directional antenna and a lock on modem to that specific CellID, then do a VoIP call to a prepaid call-through service in China or Russia Dec 28 22:40:01 use a fresch phone for that, and also a fresh SIM, and discard both after the call Dec 28 22:40:16 lots of prepaid phones and sims + google voice used as a kinda phone number dyndns could be usefull for paranoid reciveing Dec 28 22:40:25 yea thought already of smth like that :) Dec 28 22:41:45 like tor for mobile communication, just witha lot more nodes in between :) Dec 28 22:41:55 oO Dec 28 22:42:30 meh, if any exchange can ring you, a service like CIA or NSA or whatever can also spot your location. There's no way to stop that. And your identity is absolutely clear from beginning if somebody can reach you inbound Dec 28 22:43:04 or just keep it simple and put a tinfoil hat on :) Dec 28 22:43:34 a lot easier and a lot saver :D Dec 28 22:43:53 even if you use a VoIP PBX in China, they can correlate the establishing and teardown point in time and bandwidth used for both inbound and outbound connections to China from the country you're in Dec 28 22:44:20 yep. Dec 28 22:45:34 there's a reason VoIP doesn't work over Thor/Onion, which is considered safe to cloak your identity Dec 28 22:46:11 ironically speaking :PÄ Dec 28 22:47:33 can't skype be forced through TOR ? Dec 28 22:47:39 nah Dec 28 22:48:11 Tor(?) has way too high latencies - intentionally Dec 28 22:48:16 true true Dec 28 22:48:40 skype works through tor Dec 28 22:48:48 voice ? Dec 28 22:48:53 to defeat correlating of inbound and outbound connection setup Dec 28 22:49:03 yep, read about it Dec 28 22:49:44 hah, Tor will kick your ass I'd guess, they will HATE you for even trying to run skype over their server network Dec 28 22:50:16 Tor scares me Dec 28 22:50:18 it works, that was the question he asked :) Dec 28 22:50:25 imo all exits nodes are just people wanting to sniff Dec 28 22:50:40 I can't see how it would work Dec 28 22:50:49 well then use end-to-end encryption Dec 28 22:51:15 maybe it could create something resembling communication to Mars: reply arrives 30 min later ;-P Dec 28 22:51:16 yeh i didn't think about timing and b/w needed for voice Dec 28 22:51:23 can't imagine it being very "functional" Dec 28 22:51:56 nah smth more like a minute Dec 28 22:52:07 maybe a bit less Dec 28 22:52:38 but problematic if you for some reason lose packets on its way Dec 28 22:52:48 haha Dec 28 22:53:44 then again, why for gods sake would you want to use skype :0 Dec 28 22:53:55 aiui on Tor each node introduces a random delay on each connection, so you can't correlate Dec 28 22:54:24 probably even on each packet a new one Dec 28 22:55:20 Doc you might want to give us an insight view on skype and tor :D Dec 28 22:57:03 skype: crap, don't use! -- Tor: used for the wrong purposes all the time, as it doesn't make communication secure, just cloaks one end identity from the other end Dec 28 22:57:16 all you need to know Dec 28 22:57:38 maybe one more thing: >50% of Tor users are CIA agents abroad Dec 28 22:58:07 (last one is an unconfirmed hearsay) Dec 28 22:58:52 but a possible one :) Dec 28 22:59:22 ill stick to this Dec 28 22:59:29 http://is.gd/6HGgd8 Dec 28 23:00:37 * HyperSnyper never click shortened urls Dec 28 23:00:55 tinfoil hat tells me not to Dec 28 23:01:43 why its the ultimative sollution :D Dec 28 23:08:22 gn8 all :) Dec 29 00:19:57 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Dec 29 00:34:18 How do i do a byte for byte backup of the current state on the n900, i want to do a backup before i attempt multiboot Dec 29 00:34:26 In other words create a bin file i can use flasher3.5 with Dec 29 00:34:54 DocScrutinizer: infobot joined! Dec 29 00:34:57 And I lost my last system state unfortunately , is there a backup somewhere by any chance ? Dec 29 00:37:34 XDS200010: backupmenu should be interesting for you. Dec 29 00:37:55 Been looking at that, its still in its infancy Dec 29 00:38:38 Can flasher be used to create a backup? Dec 29 00:39:08 no Dec 29 00:39:10 wut? backupmenu in its infancy? NAH Dec 29 00:39:51 there's no way to do a true disk image - backupmenu is as close as it gets Dec 29 00:40:47 DocScrutinizer: Why? Dec 29 00:40:52 it backups a full logical image of / and /home, and you can restore those files, after you flashed to a clean fresh system with only backupmenu installed Dec 29 00:41:04 why what? Dec 29 00:41:09 DocScrutinizer: It doesn't backup the kernel however. Dec 29 00:41:30 exactly, and that'S something no tool will probably be able to do Dec 29 00:41:32 Why is there no way to do a true disk image ? Dec 29 00:42:04 because that's NAND, and NAND has bad block management integrated into filesystem Dec 29 00:42:20 How are custom roms made then ? Dec 29 00:42:33 Such as Pwn etc etc. Dec 29 00:42:35 what's a custom rom? Dec 29 00:43:47 DocScrutinizer: What is your primary language of origin ? Dec 29 00:44:08 how is that relevant here? Dec 29 00:44:29 I'd like to know who im talking to ? Dec 29 00:44:32 * NIN101 grabs some popcorn. Dec 29 00:46:00 There are many people on the internet who speak other languages other than english thats why i ask. Dec 29 00:46:32 well, incl dialects like COBOL I speak ~35 languages Dec 29 00:47:26 still missing the link Dec 29 00:48:25 DocScrutinizer: That's why I asked what the primary one is. Dec 29 00:49:13 anyway, you *could* look into mtd_debug and do full binary images, using backupmenu's concole Dec 29 00:49:38 the primary and only language on this channel is English Dec 29 00:51:45 (mtd_debug) or nanddump and nandwrite Dec 29 00:52:29 I actually sugested we could include that into backupmenu, as a way to create kernel backups Dec 29 00:53:24 but for now there's no tool (yet) that could do a binary "disk"-image directly Dec 29 00:55:37 since for running any tool on N900 you always need a working system first, and flashing a working system always includes flashing the embedded kernel (unless you explicitly exclude it), the use of creating kernel image backups is somewhat questionable Dec 29 00:57:07 creating a fiasco image to flash that via flasher is basically also feasible, but nobody bothered yet to create such a obviously best PC based tool Dec 29 00:57:08 DocScrutinizer: flasher -l Dec 29 00:57:26