**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 31 02:59:57 2011 Dec 31 07:19:38 :( Dec 31 07:19:57 while sleep 120 ; do sudo ifconfig wlan0 up && sudo iwlist scan | grep "key:off" && dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Open networks are available" uint32:0 string:"OK" ; done Dec 31 07:20:06 why no work ? Dec 31 08:15:50 donno Dec 31 08:16:00 more a wpa_supplicant type myself Dec 31 08:17:36 i cant sign in into SIP services like pbxes.when i enter my information n press the sign in, it a little thinks and then says not signed in.whats the matter? Dec 31 08:18:17 SIP works for me, but loses registration often and fails to reconnect Dec 31 08:18:38 actualy the error says "invalid password" or something, but if you 'edit' and 'save' the wireless config with the same pass, it then connects fine Dec 31 08:19:10 i dont use wifi,i use edge Dec 31 08:19:16 its obviously fairly bug-ridden, but ive heard maemo's telephony stack is closed-source, i guess if i cared enough i'd dig a little deeper than jsut wait for SAmsung to release a Tizen phone Dec 31 08:19:27 i use clear4G via wifi Dec 31 08:19:31 TimmyT: some sip services aren't compatible with N900. Dec 31 08:19:49 it's a known issue Dec 31 08:20:01 is there a github with the voip stuff? Dec 31 08:20:05 would Ekiga be a better bet? Dec 31 08:20:15 i know theres various voodoo going on w/ pulseaudio rerouting when you make a call etc Dec 31 08:20:20 nope. it doesnt work too Dec 31 08:20:26 sicelo:i want to use pbxes which has been recommended here for n900 Dec 31 08:20:51 such as? Dec 31 08:21:12 let me find the link Dec 31 08:21:15 linphone works for me Dec 31 08:22:24 sicelo:talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=962009 Dec 31 08:23:02 actually im looking for a sip provider to use with ipkall. Dec 31 08:23:22 plate: u meant ekiga as an application, or the service? because n900's built-in sip client isn't compatible with ekiga Dec 31 08:23:51 as a phone. since n900's buuilt-in SIP is pretty broken wrt staying registered to a PBX imo Dec 31 08:24:14 that would be nice :) Dec 31 08:27:22 well, TimmyT, if that doesn't work for u, then i'd suspect something's changed in their setup in the meantime. u notice that post was 2010. fyi, Jebba has wiki page in which he was able to login to ekiga.net a long time ago. but right now that's not possible Dec 31 08:28:13 sicelo:is there any other client for n900? Dec 31 08:28:23 like ekiga soft phone or linphone Dec 31 08:30:00 idk. try to search repos Dec 31 08:30:20 illume/e17 and chromium / ekiga worked pretty well on Debian vanilla + MAemo's kernel Dec 31 08:30:24 i may just go that route again Dec 31 08:30:28 the FFOX in Maemo5 is so ancient Dec 31 08:30:31 er microb Dec 31 08:31:19 TimmyT: there's yate. Dec 31 08:31:36 it is possible to install linphone or ekiga softphone on debian chroot,but it a little anoys Dec 31 08:31:38 apt-cache search linphone not turning it up Dec 31 08:31:40 yate? Dec 31 08:32:50 all of Hildon/GTK/Matchbox is open-source so i could proably build Maep for debian, right? Dec 31 08:32:56 i gues its all a matter of how much investment you want to put in Dec 31 08:32:57 yes. for maemo. i dunno how far it goes. Dec 31 08:33:18 ^^ wrt yate :) Dec 31 08:34:22 besides half-broken SIP, memelaks in hildon-home is my biggest problem with MAemo5. i have to SSH in a few times a day and kill -9 it (After waiting thru excruciating lag) despite having basically a stock everything and no widgets installed Dec 31 08:35:31 im out of ideas besides 'reflash' Dec 31 08:39:10 memelaks? Dec 31 08:39:27 memleak. itll be chewing 180 of the 256mb of RAM Dec 31 08:39:36 and growing. if i dont catch fast eneough,, hardpower is only solution Dec 31 08:39:49 it eats about 10mb an hour doing nothing Dec 31 08:39:57 wlel, obviously doing something.. leaking like mad, Dec 31 08:40:33 im pretty sure the solution for now is go back to debian , get QRadio/Maep working, i know Ekiga/Chromium already do. and figure out shell scripts to take photos and possibly focus hte cam and assign a shortcut icon to them Dec 31 08:40:57 and pancake's i2cset charger script works, as does bme_rx51 if you ldd it and make sure all it's deps are LD_LIBRARY_PATH'd Dec 31 08:42:16 anytihng has quirks, bud id rather fix the quirks in debian vanilla. mer seems too obsessed with redhat and qt/meego stuff but maybe i'm misinformed there Dec 31 08:42:23 efl or gtk only imo Dec 31 08:45:10 debian? u mean easydeb, or u boot debian? Dec 31 08:47:02 yeah boot into it Dec 31 08:47:06 using maemos kernel Dec 31 08:47:19 'll reflash first, maybe that will fix the hildonhome issue Dec 31 08:48:06 im pretty sure xbindkeys could do stuf flike map the 'zoom' buttons to ctrl-+ in chromium etc. its just id rather not mess w/ all this Dec 31 08:48:08 nice. did u document this somewhere? i'd like to try it out too Dec 31 08:48:12 i wnt something that works out of the box :) Dec 31 08:48:48 http://elektranox.org/n900/index.html is the guide i followed Dec 31 08:52:43 ok. :) Dec 31 08:52:57 that's the one i had an eye out for Dec 31 09:00:08 hrmm cool Dec 31 09:00:26 it looks more like mainline kernel might work today Dec 31 09:00:33 save for a few thinsg theres experimental git-repo drivers for Dec 31 10:39:10 XDS200010: try run-standalone dbus-send .. Dec 31 10:44:31 ( and pancake's i2cset charger script) what? link please! Dec 31 10:46:00 ooh, electranox, the site where every idiot can claim authorship of everything, and nobody cares to get it right Dec 31 11:16:55 you got windows? NSU? please check http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&curid=77&diff=46188&oldid=46148 for correctness! thanks Dec 31 11:18:02 I'd rather remove that comment as that's a howto page, no tmo thread where posts start with "I noticed..." Dec 31 11:20:27 so the edit is probably incorrect both by facts and by style. If any of you could check back with his windows NSU, and then probably [undo] that edit Dec 31 11:20:46 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&action=edit&undoafter=46148&undo=46188 Dec 31 11:20:55 Alas - no windows. Dec 31 11:22:11 moo SpeedEvil Dec 31 11:22:42 what happens if i use ext2 instead of vfat for mydocs Dec 31 11:22:48 will i still be able eto mount it mass-storage on linux? Dec 31 11:22:55 no Dec 31 11:22:57 is it *only* so windows can mount it that vfat is used? Dec 31 11:23:00 ok Dec 31 11:23:41 afaik the exporting magic will break when you change the fs to ext2 Dec 31 11:24:00 not 100% sure about it Dec 31 11:24:22 yeah,i think i read that somewhere Dec 31 11:24:24 it will be still possible as far as I know. Dec 31 11:24:49 just try :P Dec 31 11:25:01 basically it *should* still work, as the export is for "physical drives" not for fs Dec 31 11:25:14 exactly. Dec 31 11:25:55 but I heard of a number of other potential problems when using a "real fs" on mydocs Dec 31 11:26:11 like upper/lowercase mismatches Dec 31 11:26:19 wrong owners Dec 31 11:26:25 wrong permissions Dec 31 11:27:57 meh, chown user:users -R /home/user/MyDocs Dec 31 11:28:06 wasn't it like camera-daemon/GUI once did funny things like creating a folder DCIM under root root 644, then trying to store pictures to dcim as user? Dec 31 11:29:35 which, conveniently, made the whole cameraui segfault Dec 31 11:29:41 I dunno, everything works with ext3 MyDocs here. Dec 31 11:29:46 since months. Dec 31 11:30:03 good to know they have fixed those issues meanwhile then Dec 31 11:31:13 the camera DCIM issue I didn'T make up though, was like this in "ancient" PR versions Dec 31 11:32:01 on the bright side: even a COMBINED reflash won't change your MyDocs fs Dec 31 11:32:21 you just have to re-edit all the scripts that need tweaks Dec 31 11:34:29 * DocScrutinizer mumbles a few curses in electranox' general direction Dec 31 11:37:05 why? they said afaik that "pancake" charger script is based on yours, but well. Dec 31 11:59:13 anybody know why i would be getting Unknown HZ value on a linux box? Dec 31 11:59:25 for several commands in a shell Dec 31 12:08:58 NIN101: >> Pancake wrote a script to charge the battery without this daemon based on information from the public available specs and the not working script from forum.<< pancake just did comment out one line, and replaced it with a duplicate that has a s/9/1/. So *ALL* this pancake "wrote" was ONE CHAR ("1") Dec 31 12:09:15 lol ok, sorry. Dec 31 12:10:11 rather those idiots at electranox should have linked to ShadowJK 's great charge.sh/charge21.sh scripts Dec 31 12:11:22 NIN101: the worst thing is I wrote to them several times about the issue, about the script still being faulty, and they pretty please correct this. Reaction: none Dec 31 12:11:25 so Dec 31 12:11:31 ~lart electranox Dec 31 12:11:31 * infobot puts electranox through a wood chipper Dec 31 12:11:47 ah ok. Dec 31 12:14:04 looks like they aren't working on it recently Dec 31 12:14:35 they should wait til *I* am working on *them* Dec 31 12:15:35 :P Dec 31 12:15:38 answer iirc was "pancake told me it's his script, so if you want that fixed here, contact pancake" Dec 31 12:16:14 whoever that fsckng pancake might be Dec 31 12:16:40 lol Dec 31 12:16:48 was the 1 important? :) Dec 31 12:16:49 ohwell, those who got eyes to see... will see the truth Dec 31 12:17:25 well, as a noob user, i really would like to see a usable debian system. the electranox one seems to have gone some way towards that goal. i dunno if there's any more advanced effort than that yet. Dec 31 12:17:40 it's the end criterion of charger chip, so my original draft aborts prematurely under certain conditions, telling "status: 0x10" Dec 31 12:18:08 Sicelo: forget electranox, follow SHR Dec 31 12:18:35 FSO/SHR Dec 31 12:18:40 hmm, isn't that a 'different' distro? Dec 31 12:20:05 different to what? Dec 31 12:20:27 i fee bad because i have no idea wtf electranox is lol Dec 31 12:20:31 feel Dec 31 12:20:42 it's based on OpenEmbedded which in turn AIUI is based on plain debian Dec 31 12:20:55 does it run hildon? Dec 31 12:21:00 and on an n900 Dec 31 12:21:03 ok. sounds good Dec 31 12:21:05 ? Dec 31 12:21:09 http://elektranox.org/n900/installation/hardware.html <-- Macer Dec 31 12:21:14 wow Dec 31 12:22:04 oh so it is just a raw debian on an n900? Dec 31 12:22:57 you definitely should be interested in http://shr-project.org Dec 31 12:23:13 well... i wouldn't mind something that works as well as maemo on an n900 Dec 31 12:23:14 rather than electranox Dec 31 12:23:18 if not better ;) but i doubt there is anything Dec 31 12:23:32 there's definitely nothing Dec 31 12:23:37 but then again isn't maemo based on debian too? Dec 31 12:23:44 sure Dec 31 12:23:59 DocScrutinizer: shr can do gprs/3g? Dec 31 12:24:01 then what's the point if the gui sucks ? :) which i am sure it does on the n900 Dec 31 12:24:08 Sicelo: afaik yes Dec 31 12:24:39 great :P i don't care about everything else. just need cellular data Dec 31 12:25:32 maemo has the same package format as debian, but a lot of stuff is different, the init system, libc, etc. so partially based on debian. Dec 31 12:28:05 hm. shr looks interesting Dec 31 12:28:32 they have the cams working.. wonder if the gps works lol Dec 31 12:28:44 but then again it would need a good gui Dec 31 12:29:29 it would be awesome if someone could make a gui on shr for n900 and base a new OS off it Dec 31 12:29:32 :) Dec 31 12:32:37 whats the latest version of firefox for maemo? Dec 31 12:33:11 mozilla doesn't care about maemo anymore. Dec 31 12:33:55 screw mozilla,anyway whats th latest version? Dec 31 12:34:20 afaik the last official was 4 and iirc there were some newer, unofficial builds on some ftp. Dec 31 12:34:59 tnx Dec 31 12:36:56 the qt theme has been disabled and it seems a gtk theme(something like that,a milky color theme)has been enabled on my device.what's the kuz of this? Dec 31 12:38:52 Macer: what's wrong with enlightenment? Dec 31 12:38:59 Macer: i see TangoGPS for shr. dunno how usable it is Dec 31 12:39:59 tangoGPS for SHR worked like a charm even back in my GTA02 Freerunner days. Dunno though about status of N900 GPS drivers Dec 31 12:40:28 you know N900 GPS is via ISI/modem Dec 31 12:40:59 any idea? Dec 31 12:41:12 I'd guess conventional GPS should work, A-GPS not so much Dec 31 12:43:17 that would be fine by me. i tend to use non-assisted gps either way Dec 31 12:47:04 Sicelo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1027338#post1027338 loosely related Dec 31 12:51:37 iirc luke-jr also did some digging into that Dec 31 12:53:09 happy new year samoa Dec 31 12:53:59 one more thing i'd like to have would be usb host-mode Dec 31 13:04:50 is there anyway to disable hildom theme? Dec 31 13:13:01 Sicelo: usb hostmode on N900 is a kernel thing Dec 31 13:13:56 Sicelo: dunno if the guys included my h-e-n kernel patches to their latest 3.2(?) kernels Dec 31 14:32:50 DocScrutinizer: e probably isn't the best mobile ui ;) Dec 31 14:33:02 at least not as good as maemo's hildon Dec 31 14:34:03 what exactly ate the points that distinguish the two? Dec 31 14:34:09 are* Dec 31 14:34:30 ease of use on a smaller touch screen Dec 31 14:34:37 overall Dec 31 14:34:41 not just app based Dec 31 14:34:49 how's that related to either e or hd? Dec 31 14:34:58 if i have to use the stylus something is wrong Dec 31 14:35:05 :) Dec 31 14:35:10 I'd think it's mainly a theming question Dec 31 14:35:24 the interface for e isn't meant for it Dec 31 14:35:33 it is Dec 31 14:35:37 and i doubt there are any themes that would change that Dec 31 14:35:45 really? Dec 31 14:35:52 ask rater Dec 31 14:35:54 do you have a screen shot? Dec 31 14:35:54 raster Dec 31 14:36:16 i mean maemo just has a good interface Dec 31 14:36:27 being one of the few uis that are out there that use X Dec 31 14:36:59 what do you think illume/enlightenment is using? Dec 31 14:37:47 i understand that but e and its themes are not meant for small screen mobile devices Dec 31 14:37:59 it would be like running kde Dec 31 14:38:29 they have mobile GUI, and also KDE has mobiel GUIs, so they are meant for small screen devicse. Dec 31 14:38:43 there are even configuration/setup constants like FINGERSIZE in e, for defining an "oversacn" of hot area beyond boundaries of icons Dec 31 14:39:13 honestlly didn't know that Dec 31 14:39:28 i would love to see screen shots Dec 31 14:39:53 screenshots show themeing Dec 31 14:40:15 :) Dec 31 14:40:32 i mean shr running e on an n900 using a mobile theme Dec 31 14:40:42 then i will believe it lol Dec 31 14:41:11 http://216.189.8.164/N900/debian/screenshots/2011-11-04-135424_800x480_scrot.png Dec 31 14:42:28 NIN101: that menu bar would require the stylus. and that is just the browser not the e interface Dec 31 14:42:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=youtu.be Dec 31 14:42:59 http://216.189.8.164/N900/debian/screenshots/2011-11-04-134850_800x480_scrot.png then this supershiny menu. Dec 31 14:44:17 and no, stylus isn't necessary here. Dec 31 14:44:38 is a bit of a pain without though. Dec 31 14:44:39 Hochgeladen von tostershadow am 11.09.2010 Dec 31 14:46:41 nice Dec 31 14:46:46 http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Look Dec 31 14:46:59 DocScrutinizer: looks promising Dec 31 14:47:11 Hochgeladen von tostershadow am 11.09.2010 Dec 31 14:47:14 opengles works? Dec 31 14:47:27 dunno Dec 31 14:47:35 and all the hardware? Dec 31 14:47:38 ah ok Dec 31 14:47:49 i am sure there is a lot that doesn't work :) Dec 31 14:48:14 shr is to n900 as mer is to n8x0 Dec 31 14:48:28 promising but never coming to realization Dec 31 14:49:01 always on the brink of something good but always having something wrong that ruins functionality Dec 31 14:49:37 * Macer points at n900 meego, nitdroid, mer, etc Dec 31 14:50:04 realistically maemo will be the only thing that provides full functionality of the n900 Dec 31 14:52:11 somehow true, somewhat false Dec 31 14:52:32 latest N900-SHR is supposed to "mostly work" Dec 31 14:52:54 nitdroid has "mostly worked" for quite some time Dec 31 14:53:09 though it seems they introduce some regressions recently by adopting things to 3.x kernel Dec 31 14:53:32 what makes it so bad is that it is usually a minor thing... like the camera flash won't work or the sound ticks every 5 secs Dec 31 14:53:56 as examples of severity not examples of what is truly wrong Dec 31 14:54:27 sound ticks every 5s is a MAJOR SHOWSTOPER Dec 31 14:54:44 due to sth thoroughly fsckdup with power management then Dec 31 14:55:20 those were just examples ;) Dec 31 14:55:34 and usually it's exactly power management where all the alternative distros suck donkeyballs Dec 31 14:55:37 not real bugs that i am aware of. i have never used shr Dec 31 14:56:06 was a good realistic example though Dec 31 14:56:15 but given the track record of "maemo alternatives" ... Dec 31 14:56:50 i of course have doubts that anything will ever be 100% functional Dec 31 14:57:17 well, for sure maemo has the least chances to ever reach that goal Dec 31 14:57:28 :-D Dec 31 14:57:54 lol. i didn't want to say it ;) Dec 31 14:58:04 but at least typical things that should work usually do Dec 31 14:58:25 i can take pics.. make phone calls... capture video... play music... do all network functions..etc Dec 31 14:58:38 the things that you expect to work out the box do Dec 31 14:58:46 seems to me SHR can do that as well Dec 31 14:59:02 and the interface is intuitive Dec 31 14:59:18 only slightly ever requiring the stylus Dec 31 14:59:45 DocScrutinizer: lik i said. i haven't tried it.. but i have the expectation to try it and be disappointed Dec 31 15:00:26 hmmpf, I'm more disappointed by HARM for example Dec 31 15:00:43 maybe if it had a specific n900 theme that looked nice i would give it a try.. but i am sure i am going to try to take a picture and the flash won't work ... or the video will stutter... or the hw 3d accel won't work Dec 31 15:01:10 moot discussion Dec 31 15:01:22 there is always something that seems to never be able to be fixed in alternatives to maemo.. at least as far as the ones i have tried Dec 31 15:01:47 and other than these new ones you mentioned today .. i think i tried them all :) with meego probably being the most disappointing Dec 31 15:02:21 but hey... they're free.. you get what you pay for huh? ;) Dec 31 15:03:18 i suppose it is a good dev hobby for a developer up until they get a real job and no longer see a purpose behind supporting it anymore Dec 31 15:03:44 other than their e-go Dec 31 15:05:06 you're now close to triggering a troll alarm here Dec 31 15:05:20 really? Dec 31 15:05:37 unsurprising, i mean, meego vanilla isn't something you add to a kernel and push on a device then sell it, unlike android, which you can build, throw a kernel onto, and sell Dec 31 15:05:42 i was only being honest Dec 31 15:06:28 imho, basing meego on meego is now a moot point, the initial goal was to make a readily available dev env for other meego devices Dec 31 15:06:56 uhh, *basing meego ce and mer etc. on meego Dec 31 15:07:55 and there are exactly 2 widely available meego devices - n9 and n950 Dec 31 15:08:16 n950 isn't widely available ;) Dec 31 15:08:28 and isn't the meego.com meego. Dec 31 15:09:27 heh, it's meego harmattan, but it's nokia's meego, just made compatible with other meego devices (what other meego devices?) Dec 31 15:09:45 but truly.. my point is that i would LOVE to see a fresh look on the n900 with a new OS/UI that was fully functional Dec 31 15:10:43 but considering the history of maemo on all maemo devices... and the alternative attempts at such... it is not a real expectation Dec 31 15:10:56 mer's kernel for the N900 is reasonably functional and iirc includes drivers for all devices Dec 31 15:11:10 sadly the user-facing part is largely missing Dec 31 15:11:25 and that's why people don't want to use it daily on their phones Dec 31 15:11:25 yes. the ui always seems to be the downfall Dec 31 15:11:53 i mean, the dialer's still broken, yes you can call but you wouldn't know who you were calling Dec 31 15:12:14 the lag isnt as bad as the summer release but it's there, and a lot slower than maemo Dec 31 15:12:23 hmm, lag isnt the right word Dec 31 15:12:25 it's delay Dec 31 15:12:39 animations are silky smooth. too bad it takes 1s to start them Dec 31 15:13:47 lol Dec 31 15:13:59 makes me think that a modernization of whatever code we have from fremantle's hildon was the better choice in the first place Dec 31 15:14:01 well maybe when nokia goes under all the hildon code will be thrown into the wind Dec 31 15:15:15 but oh, it seems that cordia has hit a full stop Dec 31 15:16:20 Seemed so. :( Dec 31 15:18:28 but oh well, maemo 5 is not as fresh as far as software goes, but it's still serviceable for the rest of it's life. Dec 31 15:18:44 nokia didn't fuck up too badly in the software department Dec 31 15:19:51 apple and google toppled nokia :) Dec 31 15:19:57 with the exception of hildon, most packages are patched just to have -maemo0 at the end of the package names Dec 31 15:20:18 lol Dec 31 15:20:40 @Macer: no shit. have you used a N97/5800XM/N8 with the factory SW? Dec 31 15:20:56 N95 ;) Dec 31 15:20:58 lol Dec 31 15:22:29 hmm, wonder how the world would be if the N770 was a phone. Dec 31 15:22:34 Hurrian: isn't mer/meego kernel still as bad as it been from very beginning, thanks to "upstream stuff only" policy which can't work if you don't take care to upstream your own very device specific patches? Dec 31 15:22:47 hindsight is always 20/20 ;) Dec 31 15:23:03 either way... nokia needs to find a buyer Dec 31 15:23:23 and judging by their share price now.. some time soon Dec 31 15:23:52 unless there is a major nokia breakthrough like a holographic display or some new modem they make that goes 20GB/s Dec 31 15:24:07 ooh, I thought M$ already sorted all of that issue Dec 31 15:24:16 no Dec 31 15:24:28 MS will cut their ties and sell it off if they have to Dec 31 15:24:59 sure, you always get rid of the packaging, after eating up the cake Dec 31 15:25:52 if i were to play crystal ball.. i could see google purchasing it using motorola mob Dec 31 15:26:15 how elop is still in charge is seriously beyond my understanding of how business works Dec 31 15:26:27 any other ceo would have been "fired" long ago Dec 31 15:27:23 you don't understand how much Nokia is already a M$ department Dec 31 15:28:04 slowly migrate all the relevant stuff into genuine M$ domain, then shredder and dispose the rest Dec 31 15:28:31 nobody is going to fire Flop Dec 31 15:29:10 Flop will eventually fire $Nokia stuff Dec 31 15:29:25 the third that hasn't been set free already Dec 31 15:29:54 or migrate it to M$ Dec 31 15:31:13 how much of nokia did ms take a stake of? Dec 31 15:31:26 elop already received his kickback Dec 31 15:31:48 it is a shame.. such a great company reduced to the lehman brothers of the tech world Dec 31 15:32:59 but i honestly don't think that MS will buy them outright.. maybe their patents in order to give elop his golden parachute as nokia goes full bankrupt Dec 31 15:33:37 i don't have the numbers offhand but i would guess since he has taken charge nokia has lost roughtly 70% of its public value Dec 31 15:33:48 anyways... doesn't matter :) maemo works lol Dec 31 15:33:54 ttyl Dec 31 15:53:20 * RST38h moos wishes happy new year Dec 31 15:57:42 * javispedro sends wishes too Dec 31 15:58:03 welcome to the first year without maemo, meego! Dec 31 15:58:30 just sent some wishes too http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81236 Dec 31 16:05:07 omg no wonder elop is fail. he is canadian Dec 31 16:05:11 * Macer grins :) Dec 31 16:17:06 http://goo.gl/pR5ia Dec 31 16:17:17 Can you guys help with that please Dec 31 16:17:32 no Dec 31 16:17:44 I don't click shortened urls Dec 31 16:17:55 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1143710 Dec 31 16:18:03 they are actually deprecated on this chan Dec 31 16:18:34 lol deprecated ? whats with the negativity :P Dec 31 16:19:02 there ya go Dec 31 16:19:54 i tried the dbus pipe with both a starter and non starter script as well as putting sudo before and not Dec 31 16:20:20 everything else seems to work except for the notification for whatever reason Dec 31 16:21:01 run-standalone.sh Dec 31 16:21:10 Nokia is Finnish? Or Swedish? Dec 31 16:21:10 yea tried that Dec 31 16:21:11 like i said Dec 31 16:21:20 kwtm2: both Dec 31 16:21:28 finnish mostly Dec 31 16:21:36 Oh, ok. No wonder I'm confused. Dec 31 16:21:58 Don't worry we will un confuzel you Dec 31 16:23:20 NIN101: wait, am i supposed to create that script or does it already exist in the system core? Dec 31 16:23:23 [2011-12-31 11:32:06] XDS200010: try run-standalone dbus-send .. Dec 31 16:23:39 DocScrutinizer: like i said i tried that Dec 31 16:24:43 run-standalopine.m,\ Dec 31 16:24:44 sorry, can't figure any other reason it wouldn't work Dec 31 16:25:01 dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Open networks are available" uint32:0 string:"OK" Dec 31 16:25:02 while true ; do iwlist scan | grep "key:off" && run-standalone.sh dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"Open networks are available" uint32:0 string:"OK" ; sleep 20 ; done <-- this works as root. just tested it even. Dec 31 16:25:29 k Dec 31 16:26:58 grep -q Dec 31 16:27:40 to embellish it, yes. Dec 31 16:28:05 :) Dec 31 16:29:21 XDS200010: btw I don't think your way to use sudo in those scripts on tmo would work, without some additional tweaking in /etc/sudoers.d/yoursettings Dec 31 16:35:50 Well con dialog takes over from done Dec 31 16:40:03 she steals focus but its a start :) Dec 31 17:39:30 can the missed call note be cleared in itself ? Dec 31 17:39:51 I want to have my way with her Dec 31 17:46:17 who's "her" Dec 31 17:46:34 the dbus event Dec 31 17:47:05 oooh, events a a she now too? Isn't that a bit over-PC? Dec 31 17:47:13 are a* Dec 31 17:47:31 Instead of sending a general notification i want to use the same missed message notification that phone app uses Dec 31 17:47:44 umm, Dec 31 17:47:54 However without them piling up on each other Dec 31 17:48:28 there are two kinds of notifiers: the small ones and the larger ones you need to click to make them go away - no? Dec 31 17:48:56 the general one steals focus from what i see Dec 31 17:48:57 stopping the piling up has to be done in your "app" Dec 31 17:49:43 i'd like to avoid sending events to text if possible Dec 31 17:50:01 keep it simple Dec 31 17:50:33 sorry, you lost me Dec 31 17:50:45 by the way, no need for your settings, sudo works Dec 31 17:51:29 If i use a databased event it has to be stored somewhere. Here with the simple command i can just input it into a widget Dec 31 17:53:35 (sudo) if arbitrary commands work thru sudo, then why is there a config in /etc/sudoers.d/* for all those particular commands that are allowed to work? Dec 31 17:57:40 he probably has a fsckdup sudo. like mine. i can sudo anything :( Dec 31 18:01:15 well, there's definitely a *lot* of thoroughly fsckng up in sudoers, of pkg maintainers/devels that have NFC - see for example filebox.sudoers: >> user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vi * Dec 31 18:01:35 each noob knows you can get a shell to do whatever you want, thru vi Dec 31 18:02:04 lol. Dec 31 18:02:21 so how can anybody dare to allow vi to start with root permissions, without any query for password Dec 31 18:02:47 whole filebox is brainfsckd regarding this Dec 31 18:03:08 * NIN101 searches wtf filebox is Dec 31 18:03:17 I seriously hope this hasn't made it into extras Dec 31 18:04:07 [install] Dec 31 18:04:07 catalogues = extras Dec 31 18:04:07 package = filebox Dec 31 18:04:11 :D Dec 31 18:04:53 Doc i dont like vi Dec 31 18:05:05 I bet in 90% of maemo installations you don't have to type any password to get root anyway Dec 31 18:05:14 Its great on a desktop but not on a small keyboard Dec 31 18:05:25 DocScrutinizer: I began writing an ISI driver for gpsd Dec 31 18:05:37 hi luke-jr :-D Dec 31 18:05:41 hi Dec 31 18:05:45 good to hear that Dec 31 18:06:21 a lot of people will love it Dec 31 18:06:22 So im stuck with SystemNoteDialog and SystemNoteInfoprint Dec 31 18:07:25 NIN101: I tried to fix this (no password need) for my device Dec 31 18:07:47 NIN101: I'm well aware suckers like filebox etc defeat my effort Dec 31 18:08:15 on my you also can't just get type "root" to get root shell... Dec 31 18:08:27 so even if I changed the way HAM gets invoked, I still had some dozen open gates size of golden gate bridge, to root the device Dec 31 18:09:09 does anyone know the keybindings of xournal 0.4.5-1fremantle17? or where they can be found? In the configuration files? Dec 31 18:09:31 sorry Dec 31 18:10:04 no xournal here - what is that? Dec 31 18:10:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31779&page=50 Dec 31 18:10:33 is the main thread Dec 31 18:11:15 hmm, don't feel like visiting tmo to find out the 2 words headline what xournal is meant to do Dec 31 18:11:54 esp a thread there that has an URL ending with "page=50" ;-D Dec 31 18:12:04 DocScrutinizer: re filebox.sudoers containing 'vi *' -- WUT? LOL Dec 31 18:12:43 indeed Dec 31 18:12:49 rather WTF?! Dec 31 18:13:14 DocScrutinizer: It's a painting program much less memory intensive than MyPaint. Dec 31 18:13:30 filebox maintainer thought it's a good idea to lift filebox and all the tools it uses to root perm level Dec 31 18:13:42 happymonkey: :-D thanks! Dec 31 18:13:57 DocScrutinizer: I have to believe you knew that though Dec 31 18:14:02 nope Dec 31 18:14:28 DocScrutinizer: you've been here before the n900 with an n8x0? I thought, am I wrong? Dec 31 18:14:38 not really Dec 31 18:14:40 ok Dec 31 18:14:53 a short while Dec 31 18:14:58 xournal was really the only, at least the best, drawing app. for the n8x0 Dec 31 18:15:09 while my N900 wasn't shipping yet Dec 31 18:15:27 :nod: Dec 31 18:15:39 indeed it has Dec 31 18:15:40 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/nano * Dec 31 18:15:41 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vi * Dec 31 18:15:41 user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/bin/vim * Dec 31 18:15:46 yeah Dec 31 18:15:49 ;-P Dec 31 18:15:56 edit like a king Dec 31 18:16:00 incredible, isn't it? Dec 31 18:16:16 yeah. Dec 31 18:17:48 I might want to redirect the alternatives for nano, vi, vim to bin/false, as I never use any of them anyway Dec 31 18:18:50 I use vim Dec 31 18:18:54 it's my hero Dec 31 18:20:04 wtf he would do this? wtf he would _need_ to do this? Dec 31 18:20:14 NFC Dec 31 18:20:48 when he's runing filebox itself with root perm, NFC why he needs to run vi with root^2 perm Dec 31 18:21:04 NFC why he needs to run vi at all Dec 31 18:21:21 I guess filebox has an option to edit a file Dec 31 18:21:35 a future version of filebox will include emacs with all emacsen and emacs.sudoers to give it "proper" permissions Dec 31 18:21:39 dunno if it's using vi for that Dec 31 18:21:49 DocScrutinizer: that would make partial sense at least. Dec 31 18:22:43 s/make sense/explain why he thought it would make sense/ Dec 31 18:25:47 DocScrutinizer: I had a crazy thought Dec 31 18:25:51 maemo's security is poor anyway. As said, we all know that on most devices you can get root without any password. Then we have adobe flash player from 2009... , an old browser, an old kernel..., and tons of other outdated network applications. Dec 31 18:25:55 javispedro: where from would I get a generic list of (standard) binaries that has all the binaries which explicitly offer shell access, for a blacklist? Dec 31 18:26:35 pft Dec 31 18:26:50 DocScrutinizer: What about sending a retrieve password or MMI control code to invoke the notification bubble right from xterm Dec 31 18:26:58 DocScrutinizer: that is a ongoing problem in linux server administration, I'd say, just whitelist instead. Dec 31 18:27:28 XDS200010: sorry, you again completely lost me Dec 31 18:27:32 mooo, javispedro Dec 31 18:27:35 moo RST38h Dec 31 18:27:41 Anyone know if there is a benign MMI code that can be raped ? Dec 31 18:28:18 obviously there is NUM Dec 31 18:28:48 i got nfc wtf you're talking about Dec 31 18:29:21 Apparently, he wants to rape an interrupt Dec 31 18:29:32 DocScrutinizer: I cant get the notification bubble invoked Dec 31 18:29:48 It *is* kinky, but on the NY night, among geeks, it is to be expected Dec 31 18:30:15 * RST38h looks at his own nick, moves away from XDS200010, just in case Dec 31 18:30:23 rape is commonly used slang Dec 31 18:30:24 hehe Dec 31 18:31:41 XDS200010: sorry, no bubbles on my device, so I guess I can't duplicate your problem, due to different theme maybe Dec 31 18:35:43 XDS200010: I only know of http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_notification_.28orange_one_line_popup.29 and http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_dialog_notification_.28orange_multi_line_popup_requiring_user_interaction.29 Dec 31 18:36:34 Thats why i was thinking of MMI Dec 31 18:37:10 Problem with that is obvious Dec 31 18:37:53 I could do blah blah if true do sms self Dec 31 18:38:09 or better yet (and free Dec 31 18:38:18 ) Dec 31 18:38:37 blah blah if true do MMI lookup #646# Dec 31 18:39:02 Piss off the carrier in the process :) Dec 31 18:40:36 then there's also that "missed calls" notification that would somehow go into ... (searched so long that now the whole post is obsolete) Dec 31 18:41:26 but no, there's for sure a more generic way to get this flashing upper left corner, than sending an actual SMS Dec 31 18:42:43 just I can'T fimd any info on how exactly to do it, right now Dec 31 18:42:44 yes, there is. pidgin & xchat have it Dec 31 18:42:55 o.O Dec 31 18:43:25 xchat does this with the persistent fullscreen notifiers? Dec 31 18:43:27 pidgin is open Dec 31 18:44:00 ty Sicelvxcz Dec 31 18:44:00 vxcz Dec 31 18:44:01 (I kicked the while functionality/plugin out of my xchat) Dec 31 18:44:12 o.O Dec 31 18:44:12 ty Sicelo * Dec 31 18:44:53 lol Dec 31 18:45:22 in xchat it's under preferences, alerts, system tray Dec 31 18:45:56 hmm, seems I successfully nuked it on mine Dec 31 18:47:34 anyway afail there's some hildon process that manages those notifications, and takes care to not show two of them with "1 new SMS" Dec 31 18:47:44 afaik* Dec 31 18:48:30 rather somebody (process) has to change the notification to "2 missed SMS" Dec 31 18:49:09 bbl Dec 31 19:16:53 anyone that knows where angry birds keeps its progress state files? to see scores and such Dec 31 19:17:42 nevermind Dec 31 23:18:33 ok, 2012 Dec 31 23:19:00 Have a good one! Dec 31 23:19:55 thx, you all too. Dec 31 23:39:24 lol Dec 31 23:39:25 not yet Dec 31 23:46:49 #freenode-newyears :) Dec 31 23:58:51 no thanks ;) i'll be downtown for new years Dec 31 23:58:52 lmao Dec 31 23:59:08 it is only 6pm here **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 01 02:59:57 2012