**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 02:59:58 2012 Jan 04 10:00:03 so eh Jan 04 10:00:13 how do I flash both rootfs and emmc Jan 04 10:00:47 ah. nevermind Jan 04 10:03:44 uhm Jan 04 10:03:48 Error 349 (net::ERR_RESPONSE_HEADERS_MULTIPLE_CONTENT_DISPOSITION): Multiple Content-Disposition headers received. This is disallowed to protect against HTTP response-splitting attacks. Jan 04 10:04:08 trying to download n900 firmware (or whatever you call it :p) Jan 04 10:05:41 well, works fine with ff Jan 04 10:28:19 Hello all, I am trying to download RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php but there seems to be an error with the site, is there an alternative site to get a maemo image from? Jan 04 10:30:06 hehe Jan 04 10:30:10 just had the same problem Jan 04 10:30:14 use firefox instead of chrome Jan 04 10:30:25 bindi: ah thank you Jan 04 10:30:44 seems to ignore the errors :P Jan 04 10:30:54 * vallhalla grumbles and mutters firefox Jan 04 10:31:01 :) Jan 04 10:31:12 awesome thank you Jan 04 10:32:14 emerge firefox Jan 04 10:32:19 fail :p Jan 04 10:32:26 oops lol Jan 04 10:33:17 i just reflashed, is it safe to rm -rf /home/user? Jan 04 10:33:28 dont want all that crap :> Jan 04 10:33:50 do you meen /home/user/Mydocs? Jan 04 10:34:09 i guess, i got a bunch of crap on /home/user too Jan 04 10:34:21 ah shit nokia suite is automatically restoring my backup Jan 04 10:34:23 i dont want thiiiisss :D Jan 04 10:34:24 some of that will be settings though Jan 04 10:35:03 in /home user I mean Jan 04 10:38:26 hi every one Jan 04 10:38:34 Pupuser: Hi there Jan 04 10:39:07 need some help in my n900 Jan 04 10:39:14 bindi: obviously stuff in /home/user is needed. u could rather empty MyDocs Jan 04 10:39:41 Pupuser: ask away we will see what we can do Jan 04 10:39:50 its very slow Jan 04 10:40:25 Pupuser: do you have much running did the slowdown happen suddenly or over time? Jan 04 10:40:49 if i open tow wep pages Jan 04 10:41:06 my phone is starting up and it's asking for pin and time and date and stuff, is it safe to cancel nokia suite reinstall at that point? Jan 04 10:41:11 dont want any backups restored or so Jan 04 10:41:16 did you try clearing the cache? Jan 04 10:41:37 Pupuser: ^ Jan 04 10:41:48 i don't think i know how Jan 04 10:42:24 Pupuser: ok open a browseer on your phone Jan 04 10:42:34 ok Jan 04 10:42:45 ang pay no attention to my typos :) Jan 04 10:42:53 ok Jan 04 10:43:15 ok then open the menu at the top of the screen Jan 04 10:43:23 ok Jan 04 10:43:31 you will see options select that Jan 04 10:43:45 then select clear private data Jan 04 10:44:18 oh nice thank you Jan 04 10:44:23 is there any pugs in kernal power 49? **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 04 10:54:15 2012 Jan 04 11:33:02 hi guys Jan 04 11:34:14 i have a problem with mobile-maps-10 on N900 Jan 04 11:34:49 it segfaults Jan 04 13:16:19 can nokia suite export contacts in csv? Jan 04 13:19:49 hmm Jan 04 13:19:56 i've got nokia communication centre Jan 04 13:20:07 it should let me do that, though, i don't have my phone anymore :D Jan 04 13:20:15 it won't let me import a backup so i could export as csv Jan 04 13:24:48 not afaik. havent used nokio s/ware in a while. i think they save stuff in a prprietry fromat Jan 04 13:25:24 hmm, typos all the way.. no chance for infobot Jan 04 13:25:46 zaccanasta, I dont think that mobile maps is available anymore Jan 04 14:30:56 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/04/microsoft_wp7_nokia/ Jan 04 14:30:57 http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/04/samsung_confirms_refreshed_galaxy_ace_will_come_to_uk/ Jan 04 14:31:01 Two Aces Jan 04 14:38:18 * jonwil is getting really really really annoyed with Wireshark right now Jan 04 14:38:53 I want to run https://git.ring0.de/isi-wireshark-plugin/ Jan 04 14:39:03 but I cant get Gentoo to give me the .h files I need to compile it Jan 04 15:00:27 are you sure you're annoyed with Wireshark, and not Gentoo? ;) Jan 04 15:02:55 I got it working in the end Jan 04 15:41:10 jonwil, was it a user error, gentoo problem or wireshark? Jan 04 15:45:28 I think it was gentoo not having the right fu to install the header files somewhere useful Jan 04 15:49:03 bah, turns out somehow /usr/lib/libsms.so.0 ended up being linked to /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0.distrib instead of /usr/lib/libsms.so.0.0.0 Jan 04 15:49:44 which means I have a pile of log files from my holiday, all of which are 100% useless because the patch to libsms.so wasnt running Jan 04 15:49:55 well not all are useless, just some Jan 04 15:51:52 its pissing me off since I cant just go back and re-collect those logs (the place I collected them is a 5hour plane flight away) Jan 04 15:52:12 initially I thought the garbage I was seeing was an operator fault Jan 04 15:52:26 but it wasnt, its the fault of something screwing up on my phone :() Jan 04 15:52:28 :( Jan 04 16:07:54 so I have a pile of logs that are full of bogus cell tower names and are therefore useless for my purposes :( Jan 04 16:08:04 I do have partial logs that work though Jan 04 16:08:16 so I have some cell towers captured Jan 04 16:08:31 just not all the ones I wanted including the ones going all the way to the airport Jan 04 16:38:15 capture 50MHz wide I/Q w/ USRP2 next time so you can go back & replay it :) Jan 04 16:43:20 <_llll_> info ##math/27 Jan 04 16:43:25 <_llll_> oops Jan 04 16:50:48 im bind-mounting stuff to avoid / fillup. /opt, /var/cache, /usr/share Jan 04 16:51:03 i thought stock maemo only did /home and /opt, so i wonder how it handled apt/archives Jan 04 16:51:16 (normally in /var/cache/apt/archives, and i dont think i changed any apt configurations) Jan 04 16:52:35 <_llll_> pretty sure it has /var and /usr at least Jan 04 16:52:43 im.. pretty certain flasher's -n (initfs) doesnt wrok with http://pkg-n900.alioth.debian.org/kernel/3.1-custom/initrd.img-3.1.0-1-omap as initfs!=initrd or somth Jan 04 16:52:47 oh, all of var, ok Jan 04 16:53:20 <_llll_> dunno though, i could be wrong Jan 04 16:53:21 i figured /var/run stuff might already be in there when RC scripts run Jan 04 16:53:51 last time i broke boot, couldnt get that rescueOS booting due to some emmc related issue (rootwait didnt help) even tho my OS is on 256mb internal flash Jan 04 16:53:59 so id rather tread lightly than have to reflash yet again Jan 04 16:54:09 Has anyone here got Gentoo running on a N900 dual or as a chroot? Jan 04 16:54:11 any 49 dollar shenzhen 4" phone-like devices that run Debian? Jan 04 16:54:18 vallhalla: RAM is an issue Jan 04 16:54:30 g++ likes about 500mb of ram to compile a c++ file using a ton of libs, boost etc Jan 04 16:55:13 plate: I did think that so was going to do all the compile in a clone in a vm Jan 04 16:55:36 ive booted directly into debian, and xorg-omap and most everything was fine Jan 04 16:55:48 havent tried gentoo, cuz compiling seemed a bit crazy vvs binaries :) Jan 04 16:56:08 or distcc or something Jan 04 16:56:11 plate: very true Jan 04 16:56:15 can QEMU pretend its an ARM or something Jan 04 16:56:17 or swapping (god forbid) Jan 04 16:56:20 or are you just using scratchbox or so Jan 04 16:56:29 you dont want to swap :) Jan 04 16:56:38 yeh yeh Jan 04 18:07:27 hi guys, i just bought a n900 with maemo on it Jan 04 18:07:51 is there a getting started guide anywhere covering such things as passwords, root access, adding repos etc Jan 04 18:09:48 passwds: type passwd in a terminal Jan 04 18:09:51 root: sudo gainroot in a terminal Jan 04 18:09:55 repos: vi /etc/apt/sources.list Jan 04 18:10:06 also theres GUI tools for at least repo Jan 04 18:11:08 vallhalla: luke-jr runs gentoo on his n900 Jan 04 18:11:14 basically, grep extras /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon* > /etc/apt.sources.list, and change it to 'extras-devel' and duplicate the line for 'extras-testing' Jan 04 18:11:19 theres also some CSSU repos, does anyone have the urls? Jan 04 18:11:41 Sicelo: yep, we're discussing in #gentoo-embedded now Jan 04 18:11:44 CSSU page tells you to navitage to some ActiveX-style control that kicks off the updater or so Jan 04 18:12:28 ;) Jan 04 18:14:35 Sicelo: thank you Jan 04 18:14:40 sudo gainroot says "enable RD mode if you want to break your device" Jan 04 18:15:32 just a friendly warning Jan 04 18:15:32 TandyUK: install openssh is easier Jan 04 18:57:39 rofl plate Jan 04 18:57:45 no it's not activex :D Jan 04 18:57:57 it's the ham specific .install file Jan 04 19:05:10 gona try it in a sec Jan 04 19:05:19 i assume it just adds stuff to sources.list? Jan 04 19:05:40 maemo is by far the most sane mobile OS i've used, so probably.. Jan 04 19:06:38 /signed Jan 04 19:07:20 plate: yes it does Jan 04 19:07:52 TandyUK: you find it? flasher --enable-rd-mode or so Jan 04 19:08:03 just install rootsh from extras-devel Jan 04 19:08:08 then you don't need r&d mode Jan 04 19:08:11 exactly. Jan 04 19:22:43 any idea on why "import com.nokia.extras 1.0" does not work with "Not found" error in Qt SDK but "import com.nokia.extras 1.1" does work ? Jan 04 19:22:55 1.1 sadly doesn't give me the opportunity to use InfoBanner :/ Jan 04 20:06:16 there is any wat to make "echo N > /sys/class/gpio/export" to work and create /sys/../gpioN folder as expected ? ( power kernel 47 ) Jan 04 20:09:27 from schematics gpio line 67 is ISP1707 chip enable but /sys/kernel/debug show this line "low" even if usb is active . something is wrong somewhere Jan 04 20:11:36 IPS1707 pin B3 ( chip_en ) is active high ! Jan 04 20:22:05 I guess you can't use that as GPIO when it is operating at alternative_function Jan 04 20:22:45 meh, drive-by asker Jan 04 21:44:10 <_David_> Hey, new to Linux, redirecting output is driving me crazy. "powertop > output.txt" produces 0 byte files. Any help? Jan 04 21:45:22 try "powertop -d > output.txt" :) Jan 04 21:46:28 or enter q to stop it since the output is written after the program finished afaik Jan 04 21:47:09 <_David_> -d is an invalid option, will try other sugestion Jan 04 21:48:47 powertop -h should show you the available options Jan 04 21:49:29 if its printing to stderr or soemting try Jan 04 21:49:32 app > file 2>&1 Jan 04 21:50:11 <_David_> so powertop > output.txt &1 ? Jan 04 21:51:00 <_David_> options are t s f and h, this is 1.13 from extras-devel Jan 04 21:52:06 <_David_> nvm plate, looked it up Jan 04 22:02:17 <_David_> ok, "powertop > output.txt" shows some (stderr?) output but produces zero byte file, "powertop > output.txt 2>&1" puts only that output in the file ie 42 bytes. Still can't capture the useful powertop output Jan 04 22:03:45 hi Jan 04 22:04:13 _David_: Odd. Jan 04 22:04:39 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# powertop >po Jan 04 22:04:39 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# ls -l po Jan 04 22:04:39 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5656 Jan 4 22:03 po Jan 04 22:04:48 <_David_> I'm running powertop from a just-flashed N900, no patches Jan 04 22:05:10 this is a I think 1.2, that was OTA Jan 04 22:05:19 I can't imagine it'd bedifferent though Jan 04 22:05:24 Does powertop show normakly? Jan 04 22:05:33 <_David_> yes Jan 04 22:05:37 do the same with ls Jan 04 22:05:43 see if you can pipe from that Jan 04 22:05:46 also works for me Jan 04 22:05:46 check for disk full Jan 04 22:05:51 simple and maybe quite often question - how hard is to run maemo on android phone (DesireZ)? are there such attempts? is there some wiki covering status of such attempt? Jan 04 22:06:05 <_David_> disk should be almost empty, where do you get 1.2? Jan 04 22:06:06 Sleep_Walker: Impossible. Jan 04 22:06:10 Sleep_Walker: nope Jan 04 22:06:20 Sleep_Walker: Well - impossible may be strong. Jan 04 22:06:22 um, sorry SpeedEvil :s Jan 04 22:06:30 Sleep_Walker: But it's at least man-years of effort. Jan 04 22:06:34 And illegal. Jan 04 22:06:46 Well - violating licence agreements on distributed software. Jan 04 22:07:13 signed boot-loaders, etc Jan 04 22:07:24 <_David_> can pipe ls -l fine Jan 04 22:07:27 SpeedEvil: ad license issues - I don't care much, I'm not in US Jan 04 22:07:30 realistically, buying a N900 or some device Mer runs on is your best bet Jan 04 22:07:42 Sleep_Walker: Inmost of theworld, it's not legal to do. Jan 04 22:07:56 But it's years of effort. Jan 04 22:08:17 yup - man-years, that's the reason I ask about others... :) Jan 04 22:09:04 what is so different? provided kernel interface? Jan 04 22:09:41 Most of the core software is closed. Jan 04 22:09:48 android kernel won't work, its significantly diverged from vanilla Jan 04 22:09:54 and once you use that, your hardware wont be supporte Jan 04 22:10:04 <_David_> looks like my version is built for PR 1.0 http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ Jan 04 22:10:06 You need to do carying stuff from reimplimenting core daemons, on up, if you want to get it to work Jan 04 22:10:06 hello, trying to get to root console from backupmenu, but when i enter the password for root and press enter i get the menu again, any ideas? Jan 04 22:10:24 SpeedEvil: core software of maemo? Jan 04 22:10:32 I thought it's opensource... Jan 04 22:10:37 some of it Jan 04 22:10:37 <_David_> will get 1.2, probably it will show no issues now... thanks for help, will bbl Jan 04 22:10:39 need to do a full fsck on MyDocs, easy debian installation failed and left the fs ill Jan 04 22:10:55 and even if MAemo was 100% opensores, youre still stuck on kernel-vanilla/driver prob Jan 04 22:11:08 Nokia-N900-42-11:~# md5sum /sbin/powertop Jan 04 22:11:08 c5e6aff4985fdf0acf5e5a410504f895 /sbin/powertop Jan 04 22:11:25 Sleep_Walker: Bits of it are opensource. Jan 04 22:11:27 _David_: i'm on 1.3 Jan 04 22:11:39 hum Jan 04 22:11:50 no.. sorry, 1.1e.3 Jan 04 22:12:18 s/1e/1/ Jan 04 22:12:18 Sicelo meant: no.. sorry, 1.1.3 Jan 04 22:12:21 Sleep_Walker: I've said before that maemo openness has been carefully designed and engineered to allow 'the community' to write games, and minor patches to some system aspects. But to preclude anythingtoo ambitious. Jan 04 22:12:44 And mean that any software written will not be trivially portable to other platforms. Jan 04 22:12:53 that's sad :/ Jan 04 22:13:32 thanks for your answers Jan 04 22:13:36 but, Maemo has Xorg Jan 04 22:13:43 you can really compile/run whatever you want a lot easier than on Android Jan 04 22:13:50 which doenst even have a libc youd expect Jan 04 22:13:54 let alone a normal kernel or X server Jan 04 22:14:10 I'll try some debian instead Jan 04 22:14:39 thats nice, until you want to use your GSM/GPS hardware Jan 04 22:14:43 so you have a really pricey wifi tablet Jan 04 22:15:01 plus, Illume is kinda primitive compared to Hildon/Matchbox/GTK stuff on maemo imo Jan 04 22:15:02 I already have some experiences with Palm smartphones Jan 04 22:15:16 GSM is pain Jan 04 22:15:31 I'm at the phase of collecting information about HW Jan 04 22:15:50 I miss some linux distro for mobile phones Jan 04 22:16:04 you can see what hw #mer people are terying to get maemo/meego sw-legacy running on Jan 04 22:16:16 plate: Illume is maybe primitive but it was quite enough for me Jan 04 22:16:16 none of it is fully-open, the cordia-Tab project has been futile so far Jan 04 22:16:41 yeah Jan 04 22:16:50 a ton of little thinsg Jan 04 22:16:57 like Terminal in maemo's tab/pageup/esc buttons Jan 04 22:16:57 yup Jan 04 22:17:03 you can actually use Vi and stuff in a pinch Jan 04 22:17:07 xterm on e17 was a pita in co mparison Jan 04 22:17:16 :)) Jan 04 22:17:34 I used my own X keyboard mappings so it was bearable Jan 04 22:17:37 its really amazing how many little touches are right in Maemo so its a shame NOKIA is so idiotic Jan 04 22:18:04 so many people in Finland / northern-europe obviously "Get it" re open-source, and have QT/GTK skill Jan 04 22:18:11 too bad management is out on a date with MSFT Jan 04 22:18:48 I was quite surprised that one month they released N950(?) and next month they welcome Windows... Jan 04 22:19:06 too bad I didn't get one Jan 04 22:20:12 there is so many linux mobile initiatives and all sucks Jan 04 22:20:52 Illume is best bet imo Jan 04 22:21:11 make sure your hw can at least run debian.. Jan 04 22:21:42 I'm fan of E17 anyway and involved a bit in that project Jan 04 22:21:50 debian is no problem Jan 04 22:22:13 problem as you already said is controling devices Jan 04 22:22:47 thanks for info and good luck with maemo Jan 04 22:22:54 bricked mine again Jan 04 22:23:11 i think my bind-mount of /var is screwing it up, 5-dots progress bar actually stops, instead of rebooting tho Jan 04 22:23:32 got a single ext3 on emmc 32G that i'm too lazy to repartition back to what Maemo expects Jan 04 22:24:01 removing the 'generate/clobber /etc/fstab' lines in /etc/event.d/rcS-late works though... Jan 04 22:24:20 i think its cuz /var/run is mounted and then becomes invisible when var is bindmounted, linux switched to /run recently Jan 04 22:24:40 so now i'm neck deep in RC scripts, beacuse maemo decided to ship on a device with a 256 mb / Jan 04 22:28:26 should i fix the OS to be bootable again, compile the latest u-boot branch so that i can try putting / right on emmc 32gb, or leave it on teh table with back off and battery out. the choice is easy Jan 04 22:29:31 n900's flash really is slow. compiling / untarring stuff on a jb'd iPAd is so much faster Jan 04 22:30:44 saurik is a badman. if you're willing to jb and use HTML5/Safari only for UIs, iOS is becoming more of a compelling option Jan 04 22:39:23 at this point i'm just waiting for the droid 4, hoping it doesn't have a locked bootloader Jan 04 22:39:26 the droid 3 is locked :( Jan 04 22:43:05 it's motorola Jan 04 22:43:22 it'll be locked and they'll give some snarky response on why they refuse to offer an unlock Jan 04 22:47:02 but they promised they'd make their future bootloaders unlocked! Jan 04 22:47:07 :8 Jan 04 22:47:34 i wouldn't touch that motocrap with a 10 foot pole, but no other company is actually making an android phone with a physical keyboard Jan 04 22:49:02 relevant img :) http://mobilesyrup.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/moto-poll.jpg Jan 04 22:49:23 i mean, the droid 3 can be rooted Jan 04 22:49:29 but it still doesn't feel right :( Jan 04 22:52:00 hmm, the htc desire Z doesn't look bad Jan 04 22:55:14 does it run Debian? Jan 04 22:55:29 i'll proably ust buy another n900 if mine breaks Jan 04 22:55:35 its down to 1/3 original retail price NIB Jan 04 22:55:55 How much is it now? Jan 04 22:56:13 as of now, my choice after mine breaks is another n900 Jan 04 22:56:33 my definition of "open" includes open to possibilities Jan 04 22:56:53 android is prety much in last place. yay quasi-java Jan 04 22:56:57 plate: yeah ._. Jan 04 22:57:07 but the n900 feels really old Jan 04 22:57:11 it's mostly the ram Jan 04 22:57:15 spiral-zoom is pretty nutty too Jan 04 22:57:23 who uses that? Jan 04 22:57:27 double-tap to zoom Jan 04 22:57:28 i use the buttons Jan 04 22:57:30 or the volume keys Jan 04 22:57:37 multitouch is crap anyway Jan 04 22:57:48 i like my x11 with only one pointer :) Jan 04 22:58:11 i'd totally buy a n900 with 1gb of ram Jan 04 22:58:14 and no optification Jan 04 22:58:27 yup Jan 04 22:58:34 did N950 have more RAM Jan 04 22:58:38 DocScrutinizer: build me a n900 with 1gb of ram Jan 04 22:58:39 cant they just do a run of say, 100K of those Jan 04 22:58:58 plate: i'm actually really bummed that they haven't done a retail run of n950s Jan 04 23:00:02 plate: the alternative is an openpandora with a MiFi Jan 04 23:00:10 plate: dm8tbr convinced me Nokia is too big to be able to do that Jan 04 23:00:36 i wonder how a usb modem would fit on an openpandora Jan 04 23:00:50 kerio: aye Sir - will need ~USD 10k Jan 04 23:01:03 DocScrutinizer: woah, 1GB of ram is that expensive? :o Jan 04 23:01:38 no, but 10 times RAM and 10 N900 in perfect condition, plus labour... Jan 04 23:01:47 DocScrutinizer: i meant "take an actual retail N900, unsolder the RAM and solder a bigger RAM on it" Jan 04 23:02:04 why do you need 10? Jan 04 23:02:07 i only need one! Jan 04 23:02:20 kerio: that'S exactly what I offered to do, and I assumed I'm good on that and only will need 9 to practice Jan 04 23:02:25 oh, i see Jan 04 23:02:26 :D Jan 04 23:02:38 would i be able to keep the n900s that survive the practice? Jan 04 23:03:13 none will survive, except that last golden one where everything worked Jan 04 23:03:19 ._. Jan 04 23:03:27 maybe not even I will survive that ;-P Jan 04 23:03:40 i'm sure the ones before will magically "break" Jan 04 23:04:12 even if nothing went wrong Jan 04 23:04:14 you'll just see defects that are hard to fix on doing same procedure once more to them Jan 04 23:05:42 soldering large BGA, even PoP, isn't exactly simple. Needs quite some luck to get any of the first dozen right Jan 04 23:06:19 ok :( Jan 04 23:06:35 then I'll probably have to sloughter other high priced devices to get a hold on the needed chips Jan 04 23:06:45 me always wonders how the fuck those chips get soldered on Jan 04 23:06:49 does this mean that i have to buy a desire z or a milestone 3? :( Jan 04 23:06:55 i really like maemo Jan 04 23:07:22 merlin1991: "very simple" - just reflow solder them Jan 04 23:07:45 I do know some people that is potentially "good" doing this Jan 04 23:07:48 DocScrutinizer: what does that mean? Jan 04 23:07:51 *are Jan 04 23:08:01 but I am quite sure they'd ask for a few N900s at least Jan 04 23:08:09 means "heat up the whole board to the temperature where the solder paste stamped thru' a stencil will melt and solder the chip in place Jan 04 23:08:15 plus, I do not even know where I'd source pin compatible PoP with larger RAM Jan 04 23:08:20 DocScrutinizer: cool, let's do that! :D Jan 04 23:08:30 i'm sure you have all the necessary equipment Jan 04 23:08:45 just supply the 10k kerio ;) Jan 04 23:09:45 will 10k yen be enough? Jan 04 23:10:02 I fear not Jan 04 23:10:04 for sure not, probably not even USD Jan 04 23:10:10 * merlin1991 needs to finally catch a decent n900 on ebay Jan 04 23:10:13 might need 10k GBP Jan 04 23:10:39 got 2 but one has a completely borked modem, and the other one is about to give in Jan 04 23:19:33 ~info **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 05 02:59:57 2012