**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 07 02:59:57 2012 Jan 07 03:00:09 mgedmin: why don't you just follow the instructions to manually install a sb alongside your harmattan targets? Jan 07 03:00:22 that's what I just finished doing! Jan 07 03:00:27 :D Jan 07 03:00:37 now I'm fixing the instructions where they were wrong :) Jan 07 03:00:58 hey I just noticed you were at the n9 hackaton too :D Jan 07 03:01:13 recognized your pic on your comments :) Jan 07 03:02:21 o/ Jan 07 03:03:51 If I remember correctly you had great fun getting your environment to actually terminate the app on device instead of only your ssh session Jan 07 03:04:52 that's my problem right there in the nutshell: I find it more fun to set up dev environments instead of actually finishing apps Jan 07 03:06:46 I'll have to follow those instructions to set up a scratchbox target soon myself Jan 07 03:06:54 I need a 2nd arm target for cssu builds :D Jan 07 03:10:05 I remember somebody asked me to build a newer version of bzr for fremantle... Jan 07 03:10:19 tough: lots of unmet build dependencies Jan 07 03:10:59 e.g. no python 2.6 Jan 07 03:17:10 hrm. what about using debian sid libs? Jan 07 03:17:14 ive had reasonable success with that Jan 07 03:17:39 it's not just a build dependency, it's a runtime dependency Jan 07 03:17:52 right, so dpkg -i python2.6 from sid Jan 07 03:17:58 I'm not going to port all of debian just so a stranger can get a newer bzr on his n900 Jan 07 03:18:05 my altruism has limits, you know :-) Jan 07 03:18:06 if that doesnt work, dpkg -x it into some dir that you LD_LIBRARY_PATH or $PATH into existance Jan 07 03:18:20 python from sid proably works fine with maemo's libc Jan 07 03:18:29 ive used a ton of stufffrom sid, but ended up goin gdebian fulltime eventually Jan 07 03:18:45 cuz all i used on maemo was maep/qradio, and osm-gps-map is the predecessor to maep and in a ton of distros, and qradio was trivial to compile Jan 07 03:18:55 and illume is imo a preferable WM to the wonky GTK thing on maemo Jan 07 03:19:11 I'm on a N9 myself now Jan 07 03:19:16 nice Jan 07 03:19:21 i think im using Meego's kernel, actually Jan 07 03:19:25 thats what the rescueOS guy told me Jan 07 03:19:32 1 GB of RAM is strongly preferable to the dinky 256 MB Jan 07 03:28:30 256mb is a lot of RAM Jan 07 03:28:47 i ran Debain for years on a 48mb box fine w/ Opera, irssi, mutt, blahblah Jan 07 03:53:44 hmm Jan 07 03:53:55 I don't installed gcc g++ :( Jan 07 03:54:04 # ls Jan 07 03:54:05 binutils_2.18.50.20070820-4+0m5_armel.deb libgcc1_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb Jan 07 03:54:05 cpp-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb libgomp1_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb Jan 07 03:54:05 g++-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb libstdc++6-4.2-dev_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb Jan 07 03:54:05 gcc-4.2-base_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb libstdc++6_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb Jan 07 03:54:07 gcc-4.2_4.2.1-4maemo9+0m5_armel.deb linux-kernel-headers_2.6.28-20094803.3+0m5_armel.deb Jan 07 03:54:09 libc6-dev_2.5.1-1eglibc20+0m5_armel.deb Jan 07 03:54:11 error: Jan 07 03:54:16 Errors were encountered while processing: Jan 07 03:54:16 libc6-dev Jan 07 03:54:17 libstdc++6-4.2-dev Jan 07 03:54:19 g++-4.2 Jan 07 03:54:21 what is the problem? Jan 07 04:09:32 your not using pastebin, and didnt paste all of dpkg's output Jan 07 04:09:33 okaratas, (1) learn to use nice pastebins such as http://pastie.org instead of flooding IRC channels Jan 07 04:09:42 and (2) the error message is above the bit that you pasted Jan 07 04:11:57 mgedmin, okay sorry I will note and using pastebin. Jan 07 04:13:08 I added repos and I install build-essential Jan 07 04:16:29 mgedmin, I have a question, is it harmful to overclocking? Jan 07 04:16:51 overclock is damaged to the device? Jan 07 04:17:20 "kernel-config limits 250 850" Jan 07 04:17:44 there was a Nokia engineer presentation during one event (forgot which) Jan 07 04:18:02 and one slide said "don't overclock, you'll reduce your hardware lifetime" or something to that effect Jan 07 04:19:48 okay, I understand. Jan 07 04:20:00 but I not running kernel-config command Jan 07 04:20:07 what is the package? Jan 07 04:20:19 kernel-power-modules? Jan 07 04:22:41 okaratas: overclocking pretty much guarantees you'll damage it Jan 07 04:22:46 that applies to everything Jan 07 04:22:54 Overclocking will wear out the chip faster Jan 07 04:23:20 The only question is, will it fail before you get rid of the device, or before something else fails? Jan 07 04:23:31 heh Jan 07 04:23:37 luke-jr, so I will use the standard and default kernel's. Jan 07 04:23:47 okaratas: power kernel is fine by default Jan 07 04:23:57 luke-jr, okay thanks Jan 07 04:24:11 also, you need to disassemble it and solder the USB port down Jan 07 04:24:14 or it will break off Jan 07 04:25:24 you can easily damage the camera trying, so be careful Jan 07 04:26:09 luke-jr, I installed kernel-power-settings package, is this package is damaged and dangers? Jan 07 04:26:27 dunno that one Jan 07 04:27:30 "This kernel version 2.6.28-omap1 is not supported" Jan 07 05:10:18 I installed opera.install file and I send opera.install file to N900 Jan 07 05:10:27 what is install procedure to .install file? Jan 07 05:11:37 open it directly from the n900 browser Jan 07 05:13:45 merlin1991, okay Jan 07 05:14:06 Failed to fetch http://deb.opera.com/maemo/dists/opera/non-free/binary-armel/Packages 404 Not Found Jan 07 05:14:06 :) Jan 07 05:14:28 what is best file manager program? Jan 07 05:44:17 okaratas: bash Jan 07 05:44:36 (+gnu fileutils) Jan 07 06:31:43 maemo is not supported unzip and unrar? Jan 07 06:36:03 u can install packages for unzip/unrar Jan 07 06:37:08 hm okay I added fremantle-1.3 extras-devel repos to sources.list Jan 07 07:17:29 re i using xchat maemo Jan 07 07:24:35 Finally i fixed my N900's hardware problem.it is caused by the flash memeory chip on the board. it costed me $40.0 .-_-! Then the error code in dmesg "I/O error read ... failure" never came up again. Jan 07 07:27:25 huh? Jan 07 07:27:36 u replaced chip? Jan 07 11:15:00 hello, what is preffered way to reboot N900? Jan 07 11:15:07 dsmetoo -b Jan 07 11:15:22 reboot Jan 07 11:15:40 or /etc/init.d/minireboot ? Jan 07 11:16:29 shutdown -r -t 0 now? Jan 07 11:16:32 and how dsmetool -b working? I see that after reboot n900 does not ask me for PIN code Jan 07 11:17:21 SpeedEvil, I think that shutdown should be only wrapper for halt, poweroff and reboot Jan 07 11:17:34 possibly Jan 07 11:17:39 or do same... Jan 07 11:17:59 so in n900 is upstart init daemon Jan 07 11:19:20 SpeedEvil, any idea why after reboot with dsmetool does not ask me for PIN? Jan 07 11:19:28 Odd. Jan 07 11:20:06 whaat i do? Jan 07 11:22:17 freemangordon, see ^^^ do you know someting about dsmetool? Jan 07 11:32:28 is there a flashable image of gentoo for the n900? Jan 07 11:33:19 heh I wonder how long it would take to compile openoffice on the n900 Jan 07 11:34:20 stupid net connection... Jan 07 11:36:09 badcloud__: as luke-jr for his :) Jan 07 11:36:17 DocScrutinizer, any idea about dsmetool? Jan 07 11:36:26 Sicelo: thanks Jan 07 11:36:32 joga: loooong. btw, u are aware Easy Debian has it? Jan 07 11:36:41 Pali: a bit Jan 07 11:36:50 luke-jr: link to flashable gentoo image? Jan 07 11:37:03 DocScrutinizer, see about PIN code ^^^ Jan 07 11:37:11 :nod: Jan 07 11:37:14 so what? Jan 07 11:37:41 if I use dsmetool -b for reboot, after reboot n900 does not ask me for PIN code Jan 07 11:37:54 yes, isn't it nice? Jan 07 11:38:07 how it works? Jan 07 11:38:19 it store my pin code somewhere? Jan 07 11:38:20 is it unusual for the easy debian installer to cause reboot when installing on MyDocs and without uSD (swap?)? Jan 07 11:38:35 some env somewhere telling dsme to boot up "warm" and what's the PIN to use Jan 07 11:38:43 afaik, no, badcloud, not unusual Jan 07 11:39:14 NIN101: ah, ok Jan 07 11:39:16 that's what I think screwed up my system Jan 07 11:39:19 I can't boot Jan 07 11:42:08 with OM/SHR opkg we had the problem that a simple update failed due to missing free mem, so we used some cmdline like "for pk in `opkg --listall` do opkg --install $pk; done" Jan 07 11:43:16 interesting that people have reboots as a result of Easy Debian. been using it without issue since i got my N900 Jan 07 11:44:31 on my first days with N900 I had also the reboot problem while unpacking Easy Debian. Now I don't use it anymore, i rather debootstrap debian directly from the repos. Jan 07 11:45:21 within maemo? Jan 07 11:45:35 DocScrutinizer, it is possible to restart N900 with 'sudo reboot' to not ask PIN code too? Jan 07 11:46:10 is shr only installable on uSD? Jan 07 11:46:31 probably only if you'd RE what dsmetool does Jan 07 11:46:34 Sicelo: yes, takes some time, but is ok. Jan 07 11:46:45 so why not use dsmetool? Jan 07 11:47:57 what is differences in dsmetool -b and sudo reboot? Jan 07 11:48:14 dsme is open source, I try to find how it works... Jan 07 11:52:33 strace dsmetool will probably also show what's going on, though I guess it just sends an IPC msg to dsme daemon Jan 07 11:53:08 DocScrutinizer, dsmetool only send reboot request to dsme daemon Jan 07 11:53:16 :-) Jan 07 11:53:38 DocScrutinizer, also in dsme code is nothing about "warm" or "pin" Jan 07 11:54:12 yeah, sure Jan 07 11:54:39 it's sth like credentials I bet, or maybe cmt_pw, or whatever Jan 07 11:54:51 Doc: Seen the Nokia news? Jan 07 11:54:59 nope, which news? Jan 07 11:55:06 RST38h: the alleged denied merger? Jan 07 11:55:09 http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57353680-94/nokia-went-and-bought-itself-another-mobile-os/ Jan 07 11:55:13 No, much funnier Jan 07 11:55:38 And here is the wonderful product this company is making: http://www.smarterphone.com/products.php Jan 07 11:55:41 Roflwpmsl Jan 07 11:55:51 (if you have been eating, please, stop before following these links) Jan 07 11:55:54 Oh, sorry, too late Jan 07 11:56:54 My guess is that this ugly fuckling will be ported on top of WinCE and replace Meltemi. Jan 07 11:57:04 I'm betting patents. Jan 07 11:57:13 Maybe I do not understand something though, dunno Jan 07 11:57:37 nokia doesn't get software at all Jan 07 11:57:57 This is real fun: http://www.smarterphone.com/blog/ Jan 07 11:58:01 mavhc:Not Nokia. Jan 07 11:58:40 RST38h: just anothr OS, MEH Jan 07 11:58:54 I mean, look at the wonderful progress these guys are making on their product! MultiSim! Bidirectional text! Posting to Facebook, for Tentacled's sake! Aren'tyou impressed? Jan 07 11:59:17 Sicelo, yeah I've tried it on easy debian Jan 07 11:59:53 after making a usb adapter for it it's much easier to use with a normal mouse ;) Jan 07 12:00:15 38: I couldn't be less excited Jan 07 12:01:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smarterphone Jan 07 12:01:19 Doc: Man, you do not understand the whole mobile revolution Jan 07 12:01:47 The user interface of Smarterphone OS is programmed in a scripting language, which is a variant of Scheme with object-oriented extensions. Jan 07 12:02:04 (explains why they are only adding bidi support and facebook now) Jan 07 12:02:37 * RST38h considers trolling Qt folks about this Jan 07 12:03:13 >>Better datetime picker. << Did Nokia fianlly get a decent date/time picker to replace all the mindboggling slotmachine fsckup? HOORAY, the smarterphone purchase been worth every cent then :-P Jan 07 12:03:24 * RST38h liked the slot machine Jan 07 12:03:50 I am not sure the smarterphone folks' definition of "better" is the same as yours though Jan 07 12:03:54 incredibly clumsy, unbearable for dates Jan 07 12:04:04 Maybe by "better" they mean "no need to type it as text" Jan 07 12:04:49 try to convert "we meet again Friday in two weeks" to a appointment in your maemo ^W harmattan callendar Jan 07 12:05:02 f-ing Murphy's law; when I bash gentoo, luke-jr's around. when I want to try it out, nowhere to be found Jan 07 12:07:05 * RST38h keeps all appointments in his head Jan 07 12:07:30 badccloud: You should not have spoiled your karma by bashing something you have never used Jan 07 12:07:44 RST38h: well put Jan 07 12:07:50 badccloud: Furthermore, you shall not tarnish your karma by installing Gentoo. Jan 07 12:08:00 buh? Jan 07 12:08:13 Just get Ubuntu, like all normal people, and forget about the whole distro wars Jan 07 12:08:45 RST38h: how does it run Jan 07 12:16:53 * badccloud drops a penny into a bottomless well Jan 07 12:20:30 DocScrutinizer, in dsme code is nothing special. It only send broadcast message to all dsme modules and to dbus, that dsme changed status to REBOOT. Jan 07 12:20:34 Then it run /sbin/telinit -t 0 6 Jan 07 12:21:18 In dsme is really nothing about SIM/PIN code Jan 07 12:21:26 and in dsme modules too Jan 07 12:22:13 so maybe only if some external app monitoring dsme dbus signals and do some black magick... Jan 07 12:22:27 then maybe cmt stack somewhere notices the REBOOT and stores PIN somewhere Jan 07 12:22:35 yes, exactly Jan 07 12:23:43 look, in settings there's an option "ask for PIN at boot [yes|no]" Jan 07 12:24:19 Or modem doesn't reauth Jan 07 12:24:25 find out who's taking care about this, and you know who's doing the reboot-without-PIN magic Jan 07 12:24:42 maybemodem needs told to forget pin Jan 07 12:25:03 when modem reboots, it shall forget PIN Jan 07 12:25:43 bbl Jan 07 12:26:10 iirc when my modem was crashing/autoreseting, the pin dialog reappeared Jan 07 12:26:31 xactly Jan 07 12:33:28 DocScrutinizer, settings option to ask/not ask for PIN is for SIM card. SIM card can support no pin option Jan 07 12:38:19 I tried "telinit -t 0 6" manually, but it asked me PIN too Jan 07 13:23:41 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GarBZhZnFQs&feature=player_embedded Jan 07 13:24:02 circuits drawn with pencil on a piece of paper Jan 07 13:24:18 i thought that pencil has higher resistance Jan 07 13:28:05 They used to unlock the clock multiplier on some AMD CPUs by reconnecting some cut traces with pencil. Jan 07 13:28:44 (It was quite a short gap, though.) Jan 07 13:28:46 pencil mod Jan 07 13:29:28 Robot101, are you available? Jan 07 13:29:48 and you dont reconnect anything, fizzie Jan 07 13:29:56 you block stuff with it Jan 07 13:30:09 i think Jan 07 13:30:30 actually nevermind lol, stupidity on my part Jan 07 13:31:31 The video might use a special pencil, though, given that it says "a conductive pen from the Lewis lab at UIUC" in the beginning. Jan 07 13:31:44 graphite conducts electricity Jan 07 13:31:55 argh Jan 07 13:32:09 misread, yeah they probably have something other than a graphite pencil Jan 07 13:32:15 Even ordinary pencil will pullup high impedencesuff Jan 07 13:35:50 I think I found reason why n900 does not asking PIN after reboot Jan 07 13:36:18 when sscd daemon is stopping it reset cmt Jan 07 13:36:18 no pin set on sim? ;) Jan 07 13:36:57 when I run sudo reboot in syslog is output that sscd daemon is stopping and closing cmt line Jan 07 13:37:42 but when dsmetool -b is called in syslog is only that sscd daemon was stopped, but no output that sscd daemon cloased cmt line... Jan 07 13:38:12 sscd daemon is in package ssc-daemon Jan 07 13:38:37 in changelog of that deb package is: Jan 07 13:38:42 ssc-daemon (0.5.18.3) fremantle; urgency=low Jan 07 13:38:49 * Do not power CMT off when APE is rebooting. Fixes: NB#145490. Jan 07 13:39:31 NB#145490 means? Jan 07 14:01:34 nokia internal bugtracker reference iirc Jan 07 14:01:40 Pali, Nokia Bug? Jan 07 14:01:52 maybe Jan 07 14:02:23 now I stopped sscd, then started manually without upstart and called sudo reboot Jan 07 14:02:39 after reboot was no ask for PIN code Jan 07 14:03:42 so sscd must know when dsme started rebooting and when reboot was started throw init daemon Jan 07 14:04:16 and really "strings /usr/sbin/sscd | grep -i dsme" show strings: Jan 07 14:04:18 %s:%d listen to DSME signals Jan 07 14:04:24 type='signal',interface='com.nokia.dsme.signal',member='shutdown_ind',path='/com/nokia/dsme/signal' Jan 07 14:05:17 so sscd can handle dsme reboot and not close cmt line... Jan 07 14:05:38 fredddd: hey Jan 07 14:06:19 fredddd: I made the patch and merlin1991 has built the package for you Jan 07 14:06:20 Robot101, I am ready, the SDK environment is setup. Jan 07 14:06:24 Oh. Jan 07 14:06:26 That does too. =p Jan 07 14:06:42 now my question is: can we send to sscd that dbus signal (dsme shutdown_ind)? Jan 07 14:06:45 Did anyone test to see if it worked, and in turn suggested it to be included with CSSU? Jan 07 14:07:08 I was talking to them about cssu inclusion - you need to help test it first :) Jan 07 14:08:29 Sure. Jan 07 14:08:36 Give me the instructions and I will give it a go. Jan 07 14:08:58 Thank you for all the help so far Robot101! Jan 07 14:21:54 fredddd: the package is at http://188.40.39.11/~christian/cssu/libloudmouth1-0_1.4.1-0osso10.1_armel.deb Jan 07 14:22:30 fredddd: nope the package is at http://188.40.39.11/~christian/maemo/cssu/libloudmouth1-0_1.4.1-0osso10.1_armel.deb :D Jan 07 14:23:15 *cough* :) Jan 07 14:23:54 and if you're curious / suspicious the patch is http://people.collabora.com/~robot101/loudmouth_1.4.1-0osso10.1.diff Jan 07 14:24:54 Have little experience with manually installing deb packages. x.x Jan 07 14:25:22 wget link Jan 07 14:25:24 dpkg -i package? Jan 07 14:25:44 yeah Jan 07 14:25:45 yes Jan 07 14:25:53 Then, reboot? Or will things be in place already? Jan 07 14:26:15 just set all your accounts offline and make sure telepathy-gabble is not running Jan 07 14:28:05 How to check if it is running? Jan 07 14:28:16 pgrep telepathy-gabble Jan 07 14:28:25 if maemo has such a thing Jan 07 14:28:29 if not, ps | grep gabble Jan 07 14:31:56 it's easier on maemo to just issue a reboot :D Jan 07 14:32:25 Yes, I was considering that. x3 Jan 07 14:32:52 I can easily purge it afterwards, after testing? Jan 07 14:33:08 you should be able to intall the old package with apt-get Jan 07 14:34:31 How can I tab complete a file name? Jan 07 14:34:36 On the Nokia N900? Jan 07 14:34:59 xterm has a tab button on screen Jan 07 14:35:10 Meh. Jan 07 14:35:16 It requires sudo privileges. Jan 07 14:35:21 ofc it does Jan 07 14:35:26 * fredddd never does a lot of fancy stuff with his Nokia N900 must you know Jan 07 14:35:30 So I must grab the root package thing. x.x Jan 07 14:35:36 do you have rootsh installed? Jan 07 14:35:41 No. Jan 07 14:35:45 get it ;) Jan 07 14:35:53 I only use my N900 to use contacts, calendar, XMPP and email. Jan 07 14:36:00 The applications, and some desktop widgets, nothing else. Jan 07 14:36:07 btw to go back the command would be "apt-get install libloudmouth=1.4.1-0osso10+0m5" Jan 07 14:36:18 To the old one you mean? Jan 07 14:36:21 yes Jan 07 14:36:30 also requires root Jan 07 14:36:44 Yeah I will afterwards, going to test, confirm working, then step off of it to be back on the CSSU one. Jan 07 14:37:10 Perhaps if I developed for this device myself I would be more comfortable having all these things installed on it all the time. =p Jan 07 14:37:17 But I am just a simple man, that likes the convenience of official repositories. x3 Jan 07 14:37:38 Matter of fact I would rather get two Nokia N900 devices. x.x Jan 07 14:37:41 If that were the case. Jan 07 14:37:41 the cssu one will be the same, you can just keep this one (which will hopefully work) until the cssu one appears and it will replace it Jan 07 14:37:45 A dev one, and a personal use one. =p Jan 07 14:39:50 fredddd: if the patch works as expected the cssu package will be indeed the same Jan 07 14:43:39 Pali, ping Jan 07 14:44:09 freemangordon, I got mail Jan 07 14:44:19 yep :D Jan 07 14:44:55 Rebooting the device now. Jan 07 14:50:40 Robot101, it is it not working, I am going to scroll back to see the command use to capture the log and see what that gives me. Jan 07 14:51:34 Compared to before, it is taking quite a while to connect, after a while it just says network error and instantly retries. Jan 07 14:52:28 fredddd: aww Jan 07 14:52:38 LM_DEBUG=all GABBLE_DEBUG=all GABBLE_PERSIST=1 /usr/lib/telepathy/telepathy-gabble 2>&1 | tee gabble.log Jan 07 14:54:32 I installed the package and rebooted, and then tested. Jan 07 14:54:38 But going to run the debug instance now. Jan 07 14:54:43 And see what the log wants to tell me. Jan 07 15:02:40 Robot101, http://pastebin.com/DVi7dW2i Jan 07 15:07:59 that looks bad (TM) Jan 07 15:09:22 well half the battle is done, it's /not/ matching expressionate.org with the *.expressionate.org wildcard :D Jan 07 15:13:16 why is it not finding any subjectAltName extension... Jan 07 15:14:39 how the hell does openssl s_client work again Jan 07 15:14:45 I'm sure I've had it print the cert for me Jan 07 15:17:12 fredddd: https://expressionate.org has the same cert? it also has a redirect loop which means my browser gives me an error rather than a certificate to look at :D Jan 07 15:18:49 Yeah, I am still resolving that at #lighttpd. =p Jan 07 15:19:01 Setup a rewrite and trying to redirect properly. Jan 07 15:19:07 But, regardless. Jan 07 15:19:21 I'd like to look at your certificate, can you pastebin it somewhere? Jan 07 15:19:23 The XMPP server should not even bother doing anything with the HTTP web server @ expressionate.org. Jan 07 15:19:27 It is not even on the same server as the XMPP server. Jan 07 15:19:42 There is only one certificate, it is used for everything. Jan 07 15:19:47 Mail, web, XMPP, and so forth. Jan 07 15:19:56 I will fix the HTTP server for now hold on. Jan 07 15:19:59 yes. one certificate I can't retreive for some reason :) Jan 07 15:20:08 There. Jan 07 15:20:15 http://expressionate.org Jan 07 15:21:11 got it Jan 07 15:29:19 Robot101, if it can be of any help, this is the SSL page, I have the standard wild card option: https://www.gandi.net/ssl Jan 07 15:30:00 Gandi has their own channel on this network at #gandi-hosting were you to direct any questions towards them regarding their SSL operations. Jan 07 15:30:10 But in the end they seem to be a COMODO reseller. Jan 07 15:31:31 the certificate looks OK to me, I'm trying to figure out why our code won't match it Jan 07 15:37:53 how the utter (&*(AS is OpenSSL meant to work Jan 07 15:38:33 The command line thing? Jan 07 15:38:42 no, looking at the X509 API Jan 07 15:41:59 is that some key exchange thing? Jan 07 15:43:42 it's the X509 is the formatting/representation of SSL certificates Jan 07 15:43:54 OpenSSL has API for parsing/manipulating/etc them Jan 07 15:44:20 fredddd's certificate isn't being accepted by the XMPP client on Maemo, so I copied in some newer code... but it's not working either Jan 07 15:44:23 :/ Jan 07 15:44:35 our company OpenSSL guru (who wrote the code) isn't online atm Jan 07 15:44:37 [06:36:27] luke-jr: link to flashable gentoo image? Jan 07 15:44:39 ^ lol Jan 07 15:45:00 If it can be of any help, as I find myself to be of little help towards you guys in this, Gajim (desktop XMPP client) operates through it fine. Jan 07 15:45:22 fredddd: jooi, have you tried Empathy on the desktop? Jan 07 15:45:35 Looking it up. Jan 07 15:45:54 it would be useful to know if that didn't work too, as we'd know this code actually didn't work with your cert at all, eliminating some doubt about OpenSSL on Maemo somehow Jan 07 15:46:13 Is it a GNOME 3 thing? Jan 07 15:46:26 I use Trisquel GNU/Linux, it is based on Ubuntu but throwing all the non-free stuff out, it is still using GNOME 2. Jan 07 15:46:44 it's a GNOME thing - since GNOME 2 Jan 07 15:46:48 Trisquel comes with Pidgin by default, so I guess not? Jan 07 15:47:03 Installing it. Jan 07 15:48:56 Robot101, working fine on first sight. Jan 07 15:49:03 Installed it, gave my details, it logged in and showing my contacts. Jan 07 15:49:28 Ah. Jan 07 15:49:32 Encryption Required is not ticked by default. Jan 07 15:50:00 thats fine Jan 07 15:50:15 I ticked Encryption Required. Jan 07 15:50:16 it opportunistically encrypts - but you could tick that and log out / in again if yu want Jan 07 15:50:20 Disabled, enabled, still working fine. Jan 07 15:50:22 cool Jan 07 15:50:29 ok so something weird is going on Jan 07 15:50:41 Empathy looks lovely. Jan 07 15:50:43 I have to turn on X509v3 somehow? Jan 07 15:50:49 If it supports GPG I might use that instead. Jan 07 15:51:06 it doesn't :( sorry Jan 07 15:51:10 x.x D: Jan 07 15:51:11 =c Jan 07 15:52:40 Back to Gajim then. :X Jan 07 16:05:58 Pali, are building new kernel? Jan 07 16:34:03 Robot101, any news? Jan 07 16:35:26 fredddd: am a bit stuck, waiting to find a guru / friend with more OpenSSL skillz than me Jan 07 16:35:32 Alright. Jan 07 17:51:48 fredddd: the guy who wrote that code is looking at it atm on #telepathy :) Jan 07 17:55:39 fredddd: hello - you were able to connect from your desktop, right? was that using openssl or gnutls? Jan 07 17:57:53 fledermaus: ubuntu so I guess gnutls Jan 07 17:58:09 (ohh...) Jan 07 18:01:02 I'm going to build a wocky version with openssl and see if it can get past the ssl stage Jan 07 18:16:39 ~seen MohammadAG Jan 07 18:16:40 mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'javispedro, ssu chan'. Jan 07 18:16:54 MohammadAG, ping Jan 07 18:20:13 I actually wonder why everybody is asking infobot first whether somebody is here, rather than just looking at userlist or simply trying tab nick-completion Jan 07 18:21:10 2012-01-07 19:20:30] !seen ChanServ Jan 07 18:21:11 [2012-01-07 19:20:31] DocScrutinizer, if you can't see ChanServ here right now, you probably need new glasses. ^_^ Jan 07 18:21:47 /whois is a wonderful tool too Jan 07 18:21:53 indeed Jan 07 18:22:11 DocScrutinizer, because presense in userlist does not giva a clue what is user activity Jan 07 18:22:28 so does infobot ~seen ?? Jan 07 18:22:34 for that god gave /whois Jan 07 18:24:18 well, "~seen" WFM Jan 07 18:24:31 [2012-01-07 19:16:15] mohammadag is currently on #maemo #harmattan #meego, last said: 'javispedro, ssu chan'. Jan 07 18:24:38 *very* informative Jan 07 18:26:00 this tells me... err.. that moh is on 4 chan. well I could see this in the userlists if I wouldn't already know by heart. It also tels me what he posted last - hell, what a wealth of info Jan 07 18:26:14 3 chan actually Jan 07 18:26:24 (typo) Jan 07 18:26:31 DocScrutinizer, apart of my IRC skills, do you have any sign from MohammadAG when the CSSU update will happen? Jan 07 18:26:39 .oO(on 4chan...) Jan 07 18:26:40 nope Jan 07 18:27:34 MohammadAG seems virtually unreceptive as usual for the last months Jan 07 18:28:01 (nod) Jan 07 18:28:09 worse is he denies the fact and the problems this introduces for the rest of us Jan 07 18:28:45 yeah, you know I agree on that Jan 07 18:29:41 I'll ask him about taking over when he doesn't show till sunday Jan 07 18:30:02 can't be that we wait for that testing release forever when we already have new stuff in line Jan 07 18:30:49 and the worst is that the one with powers to change that does not seem cooperative too (I mean X-Fade). merlin1991, as you probably remember we've discussed that 2 months ago. Jan 07 18:31:17 backup admins, al this stuff Jan 07 18:31:22 *all Jan 07 18:37:42 NIN101, ping? Jan 07 19:05:56 well, somehow CSSU is really starving, almost dead Jan 07 19:06:37 DocScrutinizer, ? Jan 07 19:07:33 Uh. Jan 07 19:07:42 Robot101, did he leave? Jan 07 19:08:07 fredddd: pinged out I guessed Jan 07 19:10:33 to be fair to him, it is the weekend, and what I was asking him to look at is identical to his job... :) Jan 07 19:10:56 Doc: What have you contributed to CSSU,personally? Jan 07 19:11:11 me??? ranting ;-P Jan 07 19:11:38 RST38h: you probably better ask others about that Jan 07 19:12:05 Doc: Here you have it. Jan 07 19:12:07 peronally I hope I gave good advice every now and then Jan 07 19:12:27 YMMV Jan 07 19:12:51 Meanwhile: Israel Says It Will Treat Online Credit Card Theft As It Would Terrorism Jan 07 19:13:21 pfff, in Israel waering wring clothes is terrorism Jan 07 19:13:36 wearing wrong clothes* Jan 07 19:13:40 Doc: No, I think they meant a ittle different thing Jan 07 19:14:24 They are basically saying that they will not abide international borders when fighting cc theft, same as they do it with terrorism Jan 07 19:14:54 did they ever respect nation borders, on any topic? Jan 07 19:15:01 more or less Jan 07 19:15:06 hah Jan 07 19:15:29 lol Jan 07 19:15:55 But then, neither do many other states, when it comes to their pet peeves Jan 07 19:16:25 Considering CC theft one of these peeves is new though. Jan 07 19:17:24 no, publicly announcing it is *maybe* new Jan 07 19:19:03 regarding this particular issue of playing world's deputy rangers, Israel always been USA's special forces Jan 07 19:19:51 no matter what the reason to act however they deem appropriate, in any region in the world Jan 07 19:20:44 be it CC theft, hacking, terrorism of *any* kind (according to their definition of terrorism), or mere industry espionage Jan 07 19:21:21 active of course, not defense against... Jan 07 19:22:15 Doc: Man, spare us all from conspiracy theories Jan 07 19:23:05 that's no conspiracy neither theories. That's plain facts you can find in even wikileaks embassy bulletins Jan 07 19:23:23 URL or it didn't happen. Jan 07 19:23:32 google is your friend Jan 07 19:23:53 DocScrutinizer, I wasn't folllowing discussion from the beginning, so I don't know what is Your problem with CSSU (that got quite a momentum now, if You ask me) Jan 07 19:24:08 hell, that's very basic common knowledge for slightly politically interested people Jan 07 19:24:10 but, as with USA-Israel thing, it's common knowledge Jan 07 19:24:19 hah Jan 07 19:24:29 well Estel_the problem is there is momentum, but no way to get the build stuf into the repo Jan 07 19:24:45 what? bug again? Jan 07 19:25:00 no, mere "not available" Jan 07 19:25:19 Ok. No evidence - no doughnut. Jan 07 19:25:38 * DocScrutinizer hates doughnuts ;-P Jan 07 19:26:03 wikileaks' embassy bulletins are a good evidence though Jan 07 19:26:15 URL? Jan 07 19:26:34 as is USA's reaction against Asange resulting from that Jan 07 19:26:45 * RST38h will rig a script to ask for URL every time someone mentions "good evidence" Jan 07 19:26:55 RST38h: sorry dude, if you never heard of wikileaks, I can't help Jan 07 19:27:21 screw wikileaks, I've just checked irc log Jan 07 19:27:23 URL to a particular US embassy bulletin supporting your claim. Jan 07 19:27:25 RST38h: I'm not your private google service Jan 07 19:27:30 goddamnit, I know MohammadAG contributions etc Jan 07 19:27:35 but, with all due respect Jan 07 19:27:45 Mohammad is an obvious terrorist, yes Jan 07 19:27:53 can't the maintainer be changed like it was with kernel-power? Jan 07 19:27:58 And monkeys fly out of my ass every morning Jan 07 19:28:18 RST38h, it's sophism Jan 07 19:28:34 DocScrutinizer asked You to google for specified wikileaks material Jan 07 19:28:36 Estel: CSSU-wise, if you would like to contribute, you contribute Jan 07 19:28:57 RST38h, can contribute, if maintainer isn't pushing new version Jan 07 19:28:59 RST38h: stop that bullshit please Jan 07 19:29:00 Estel: But if you just want to bitch about nobody working on it...you know where it goes Jan 07 19:29:09 open irc logs and check conversation with freemangordon Jan 07 19:29:31 RST38h, again with all due respect, I'm not sure if You ever know what we're talking about Jan 07 19:29:55 * RST38h has read a lot of freemangordon's logs Jan 07 19:29:56 obviously not, RST38h is in a mood to argue - nothing else Jan 07 19:30:18 [and knows what the issue was between freeman and Doc] Jan 07 19:30:37 I don't see particular reason of arguing with people ranting, that contributions aren't pushed to -testing, because maintainer playis with N950 toy Jan 07 19:30:43 ooh, issues? tell me more about it Jan 07 19:30:48 issue, lol? Jan 07 19:30:51 or STFU now! Jan 07 19:30:53 fredddd: what version of openssl are you using there, ooi? Jan 07 19:30:56 they seemed to agree 100% to me Jan 07 19:31:39 url to IRC log line about their issue or it didn"t happen - to give You a taste of Your own medicine Jan 07 19:32:00 fledermaus, I use Trisquel. Jan 07 19:32:01 Estel_: +1 :-D Jan 07 19:32:13 http://packages.trisquel.info/dagda/ Jan 07 19:32:17 Sorry, I have to go. D: Jan 07 19:33:08 DocScrutinizer, freemangordon, anyway. Isn't it time to ask Ĉouncil' to contact goddamnit X-fade to replace CSSU maintainer, due to unresponsivness without prior warning? Jan 07 19:33:25 AFAIK there is no problem of having multiple maintainers Jan 07 19:33:37 not replace, extend to a stand-in Jan 07 19:33:44 so, it can be even +add another| instead of ~replace Jan 07 19:33:51 yea Jan 07 19:34:32 merlin1991 seemed to stand up Jan 07 19:34:53 cssu-S was flawless so far Jan 07 19:35:02 I'd support this Jan 07 19:35:30 merlin1991 doing an awesome job Jan 07 19:37:45 [2012-01-07 19:29:16] I'll ask him about taking over when he doesn't show till sunday Jan 07 19:37:57 nice Jan 07 19:38:09 I agree that merlin1991 is de facto maintainer now Jan 07 19:38:18 X-Fade: please consider supporting merlin1991 to maintain cssu-t Jan 07 19:38:45 X-Fae isn't reading irc anymore. He's ignoring Pali's pings for half of an years Jan 07 19:39:01 pings about problem with repository bug, I must add Jan 07 19:39:16 merlin1991: MohammadAG obviously got some RL right now, and that's a good thing - for him. Not for CSSU though. So he needs a stand-in Jan 07 19:39:24 X-Fade: ^^^ Jan 07 19:39:44 indeed Jan 07 19:39:59 and I thought it's just me who got on his ignore list Jan 07 19:40:04 I love real life. Yet, I hate, when people warp out to real life without leaving a single note about it Jan 07 19:40:22 Well, it's nice to get money from Nokia as full-*time job Jan 07 19:40:41 then, shift interest to other projects (tm) and check mail once per 6 months Jan 07 19:41:18 other interests == meego/harmattan Jan 07 19:41:24 That's why I'm supporting the idea of cutting ties to Nokia as soon as possible - they're unresponsive on even simplest things Jan 07 19:41:26 yea Jan 07 19:41:55 :nod: Jan 07 19:42:27 You know, SD69 can't even get info about ,bandwidth usage statistic of maemo.org infrastructure Jan 07 19:42:34 fow 3 months already ;) Jan 07 19:43:15 sucks Jan 07 19:43:28 BTW, slightly different topic - queswtion for old hardware hacker like You Jan 07 19:43:50 hurry! Jan 07 19:43:55 I'm leaving Jan 07 19:44:00 You've probably heard about USB VGA adapters (in reality, simple USBZ video cards) - some of them even got linux modules Jan 07 19:44:11 yep Jan 07 19:44:17 but it's pita to find one woprking flawlessly under linux Jan 07 19:44:28 I thought about using Raspberry Pi Jan 07 19:44:29 yes, as the makers release no specs Jan 07 19:44:34 Estel_: not insane Jan 07 19:44:47 javispedro used one of such critters with H-E-N Jan 07 19:44:50 as device acting like such thing Jan 07 19:45:08 Estel_: you could implement a gadget driver on pi. Jan 07 19:45:21 * DocScrutinizer waits for the question Jan 07 19:45:29 Estel_: Acting like a USB ethernet adpator that implemented VNC Jan 07 19:45:35 Or X, or whatever Jan 07 19:45:49 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=81408 Jan 07 19:46:07 nah, later. Sorry Jan 07 19:46:09 SpeedEvil, nice Jan 07 19:46:16 DocScrutinizer, no worries, see ya Jan 07 19:46:29 well, I got idea, but lack knowledge if it's even possible, and if yes, how Jan 07 19:46:47 SpeedEvil think that it's possible to use Rasp as gadget usb tool Jan 07 19:46:50 it would be nice Jan 07 19:47:09 SpeedEvil, VNC and USB-ethernet is thing I thought about Jan 07 19:47:16 but, isn't VNC little too slow? Jan 07 19:48:07 You know, lets put aside performance wasting, isn't there any other way of sending video data more directly? Jan 07 19:49:26 some other, more real-time remote desktop solution (FOSS of course) would work, but, erm, encapsulating our desktop etc over usb to raspberry hdmi out (take my non-technical use of words with grain of salt) would be best Jan 07 19:49:47 X forwarding over SSH seems to be a little buggy when N900 runs forwarded programs Jan 07 19:49:48 Estel_: yes, quite Jan 07 19:49:55 In principle, you just use X Jan 07 19:50:01 as the 'easy' way Jan 07 19:50:20 export DISPLAY=pi:0 Jan 07 19:50:23 and you're done Jan 07 19:50:24 is it possible to achieve with existing tools, or one need to develpp/code own? Jan 07 19:50:32 yay, sounds nice Jan 07 19:50:37 (if X is up on the pi, and configured to accept connections Jan 07 19:50:59 expected performance (i.e. low/none lags)? Jan 07 19:51:21 as my very low knowledge about X goes, it should be blazing fast? Jan 07 19:51:50 It depends. Jan 07 19:51:56 For normal stuff, fine. Jan 07 19:51:59 and support different resolutions? (other than our 800x480) Jan 07 19:52:05 For video, it will depend on how it's implemented Jan 07 19:52:17 the resolution is whateve the resolution of the display is Jan 07 19:53:15 normal stuff is my priority, but video is alsol interesting. Any hints on best method to implement? The close we get to have hassle-free HDMI output on N900 (using raspberry pi, of course), the better Jan 07 19:53:40 video using DSP on N900, no way to interface to USB Jan 07 19:54:20 The 'best' way is to ship the video compressd over onto the pi, and do it there Jan 07 19:54:25 USB max bandwidt (theory) ~40MBps Jan 07 19:54:41 see SpeedEvil ^^^ Jan 07 19:55:00 yes, I thought about that also Jan 07 19:55:12 pi seems to be quite capable here Jan 07 19:55:31 o/ Jan 07 19:55:43 but, desktop, Easy Debian, browsers, etc should all work well? Jan 07 19:56:15 and, it's possible to forward sound through USB, to make use of HDMI sound capabilities? Jan 07 19:56:30 I don't mean songs, as this can be thrown into pi Jan 07 19:56:44 or even Pi can use N900 vfat in mass storage mode Jan 07 19:56:51 and play it's content Jan 07 19:56:59 vfat or whatever we feel fancy Jan 07 19:57:10 I mean sound generatedd by programs on N900 Jan 07 19:57:36 let's say dosbox, from top of my head. May also mean more 'creative' things, than gaming ;) Jan 07 19:57:47 it's not a must, but would be nice addition Jan 07 19:57:48 PA ;-P Jan 07 19:58:08 same thought here. Bandwidth should be sufficient? Jan 07 19:58:31 or simply a USB soundcard emu Jan 07 19:58:40 0_o Jan 07 19:58:45 yes, audio no problem Jan 07 19:59:11 Hm, so beside videos, any thing that we suppose would *not* work? Jan 07 19:59:27 err, video Jan 07 19:59:29 3D programs on N900 - no problem? Jan 07 19:59:30 :-D Jan 07 19:59:35 like in "webcam" Jan 07 19:59:53 might miss isochronous mode, H-E-N/N900 not supporting it Jan 07 19:59:53 3D things processed by dsp? (OpenGLES) Jan 07 20:00:10 I see Jan 07 20:00:31 webcam like video doesn't seem very important at first glance Jan 07 20:00:34 dunno, VNC can handle it, no? Jan 07 20:00:40 (3D) Jan 07 20:00:46 VNC can handle, but it's too slow Jan 07 20:00:55 X should handle it? Jan 07 20:01:04 good question Jan 07 20:01:12 prolly not Jan 07 20:01:29 or, actually, I dunno Jan 07 20:01:34 have to run cya Jan 07 20:01:45 ok, marked for "we'll see during tests" :D Jan 07 20:01:48 bye! Jan 07 20:02:18 SpeedEvil, Your thoughts about DSP processed 3D programs (games?) exported through X? Jan 07 20:03:25 your question: "what's the relationship between X and gles?" Jan 07 20:03:56 DocScrutinizer: "It's complicated" ;) Jan 07 20:04:10 :-D o/ Jan 07 20:04:36 \o Jan 07 20:07:49 ;) Jan 07 20:08:12 xkcd could have comix about it Jan 07 20:09:40 Anyway, having 100% FOSS, GNU/Linux compliant "USB gadget" that gives N900 abilioty to display via HDMI out on any sane resolution Jan 07 20:10:05 + this "gadget" being another small true computer, capable also of acting as USB LAN adapter Jan 07 20:10:14 and able to do plentora of other things Jan 07 20:10:28 for 25$/35$ + shipping Jan 07 20:10:32 is overkill IMO Jan 07 20:10:49 I'm going to Jan 07 20:10:57 buy ~10 of them Jan 07 20:11:04 @ first batch Jan 07 20:16:59 ~chromium on maemo Jan 07 20:16:59 from memory, chromium on maemo is browser that is 100% functional on N900, including synchronization and extensions, via Easy Debian Jan 07 20:20:06 100 percent lloop-mounted molasses flash + 256 ram swaphell yes Jan 07 20:20:22 midori/tear are decent Jan 07 20:20:34 chrome is a bloated pig Jan 07 20:21:44 * Sicelo doesnt use it at all Jan 07 20:22:49 so wait , dongle an entire ARM pc off the usb for HDMI? Jan 07 20:25:31 plate, cant agree Jan 07 20:25:43 I'm using chromium via easy debian as main browser on N900 Jan 07 20:25:49 without any slowdowns Jan 07 20:25:54 with 15+ tabs Jan 07 20:26:13 plate, a for raspberry pi, yes ;) Jan 07 20:26:26 without sacrificing possibility of Pi to do other thing Jan 07 20:26:29 things* Jan 07 20:26:38 i need to disable tracker + kill microb-daemon Jan 07 20:27:07 basically, You carry Pi with You alongside N900 and You have HDMI out for N900, USB-to-ethernet, +whatever HYou feel fancy and configure pi to do Jan 07 20:27:29 for 25 or 35 (if LAN) $ Jan 07 20:27:45 plate, I'm using ED on dedicated ext4 partition Jan 07 20:27:46 and no usbhostmode cuz pi is host? Jan 07 20:28:07 Pi can be host, but can be gadget to Jan 07 20:28:13 cool Jan 07 20:28:17 I have no idea, but I think no hostmode is needed Jan 07 20:28:24 as it would be USB networking Jan 07 20:28:29 doesnt matter who is host Jan 07 20:28:39 then, N900 forward X display to pi Jan 07 20:28:49 over USB network Jan 07 20:28:56 supercool for me Jan 07 20:29:23 as for Chromium performance - I also use N900 swap *only* on microSD (class 2, sic!) Jan 07 20:37:35 correct Jan 07 20:39:21 this result in /me can't wait for raspberry pi Jan 07 20:39:40 VGA or DVI output was my biggest wish for N900 for a while Jan 07 20:40:47 this Pi thing WAY too cheap to be true, no? Jan 07 20:41:20 i heard there were supply probs due to absurd priving or so Jan 07 20:41:30 hehe Jan 07 20:41:40 Fortunatelly, it seems to be overcomed Jan 07 20:41:58 I just hope it wont't be looking like buying new Co papers Jan 07 20:42:01 ~dict priving Jan 07 20:42:04 could not find definition for priving Jan 07 20:42:09 like, You submit for buying 10, and get 2 Jan 07 20:42:15 due to it being reglamented Jan 07 20:42:17 DocScrutinizer; sort of. It's weird. From what I can gather it's so closed off it actually boots from the gpu and not the cpu. Jan 07 20:42:49 hey, afaik pi schemativs are available Jan 07 20:42:58 i.e. open hardware like in arduino Jan 07 20:43:00 isn't it? Jan 07 20:43:01 booting from the cpu is too mainstream Jan 07 20:43:05 ShadowJK: haha Jan 07 20:43:16 Estel_; i mean the soc Jan 07 20:43:21 I see. Jan 07 20:43:33 what soc? Jan 07 20:43:43 ~soc Jan 07 20:43:43 soc is, like, System On Chip - many embedded cpus include a variety of peripherals as well which makes them more than just a CPU. Send Out Cards - http://www.sendoutcards.com/ Summer of Code (a google project) U of U's School of Computing (http://www.cs.utah.edu/) Jan 07 20:43:51 ok, joking Jan 07 20:44:31 btw, DocScrutinizer, how to teahc infobot after few possible meanings for single term? Jan 07 20:44:41 I tried to add another meaning to chromium Jan 07 20:44:55 but ended up with "but chromium is already something else" Jan 07 20:45:10 try chromium is also x Jan 07 20:45:12 which soc? Jan 07 20:45:21 thanks Jan 07 20:45:25 DocScrutinizer; some broadcom thing iirc Jan 07 20:46:23 :nod: Jan 07 20:46:23 * DocScrutinizer51 points to snowball Jan 07 20:46:32 ~chromium Jan 07 20:46:33 chromium is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:46:33 STE nova SoC Jan 07 20:46:37 infobot: chromium is x Jan 07 20:46:38 yeah, broadcom super-closed thing :/ Jan 07 20:46:38 ...but chromium is already something else... Jan 07 20:46:42 infobot: no, chromium is x Jan 07 20:46:43 okay, kerio Jan 07 20:46:48 ~chromium Jan 07 20:46:49 i heard chromium is x Jan 07 20:46:51 :3 Jan 07 20:47:00 infobot: chromium is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:47:01 ...but chromium is already something else... Jan 07 20:47:03 infobot: no Jan 07 20:47:10 aww, can't do it like that? Jan 07 20:47:14 infobot: no, chromium is http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:47:15 kerio: okay Jan 07 20:47:18 ... Jan 07 20:47:28 ~forgewt chromium Jan 07 20:47:36 ~forget chromium Jan 07 20:47:39 i forgot chromium, DocScrutinizer51 Jan 07 20:47:40 DocScrutinizer51: why? Jan 07 20:47:44 it used to be there before? Jan 07 20:47:50 ~chromium Jan 07 20:47:52 s/\?// Jan 07 20:47:55 ~chromium Jan 07 20:48:03 infobot: chromium is 1 Jan 07 20:48:04 ...but chromium is already something else... Jan 07 20:48:10 infobot: chromium? Jan 07 20:48:11 rumour has it, chromium is browser that is working fast on N900 via Easy Debian - 100% functional, including synchronization and extensions Jan 07 20:48:13 ~tritium Jan 07 20:48:19 dang Jan 07 20:48:33 infobot: chromium is also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:48:34 ShadowJK: okay Jan 07 20:48:43 infobot: chromium Jan 07 20:48:44 i guess chromium is browser that is working fast on N900 via Easy Debian - 100% functional, including synchronization and extensions, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:48:59 infobot: kerio can't follow instructions Jan 07 20:49:25 ~chromium is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:49:26 ...but chromium is already something else... Jan 07 20:49:49 ~chromium Jan 07 20:49:49 i guess chromium is browser that is working fast on N900 via Easy Debian - 100% functional, including synchronization and extensions, or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=177244&mbox=yes Jan 07 20:50:00 ShadowJK: :( Jan 07 20:50:06 isn't the above response the desired response? Jan 07 20:50:06 good enough Jan 07 20:50:48 DocScrutinizer51; "The GPU binary also contains the first stage bootloader" Jan 07 20:50:54 dunno Jan 07 20:50:54 re raspberrypi Jan 07 20:50:54 lost track of your ibot messing Jan 07 20:50:55 :) Jan 07 20:51:15 eh Jan 07 20:51:17 ~lock chromium Jan 07 20:51:29 so we won't have bootloader available on pi Jan 07 20:51:41 doesn't matter for our hdmi plans Jan 07 20:51:49 but would be great anyway Jan 07 20:52:03 Is there *any* decent SoC that isn't closed? Jan 07 20:52:20 (and isn't pita to work with?) Jan 07 20:52:27 dang. Infobot, I'm your master! Jan 07 20:52:42 maybe without the 51? Jan 07 20:52:51 indeed Jan 07 20:53:43 Estel_: no :-D Jan 07 20:54:22 hah, missed that for so loooong Jan 07 20:54:29 ~die Jan 07 20:54:30 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. Jan 07 20:54:36 ~DocScrutinizer Jan 07 20:54:37 hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Jan 07 20:54:58 ~test Jan 07 20:54:59 If you say tset I will not be happy Jan 07 20:55:04 ~tset Jan 07 20:55:04 Shut up. Jan 07 20:55:25 ~query Jan 07 20:55:25 talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query infobot" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) Jan 07 20:55:32 "everything is on the SD card, which has a FAT32 partition with GPU firmware and a kernel image, and an EXT2 partition with the rootfs." ... " Jan 07 20:55:55 "The GPU mounts the SD card, loads GPU firmware and brings up display/video/3d, loads a kernel image, resets the SD card host and starts the ARM." Jan 07 20:56:42 I'm noob when it goes to booting, but sounds clever ;) Jan 07 20:56:49 mhm Jan 07 20:57:12 it sounds extremely weird Jan 07 20:57:17 does it really matter which CPU runs 'uBoot'? Jan 07 20:57:34 Actually this isn't uboot even Jan 07 20:57:48 but they say you can replace linux with uboot instead Jan 07 20:57:52 that's why ' ' Jan 07 20:58:11 you always can Jan 07 20:58:48 for the 1st stage BL it doesn't matter (unless secure mode fsckup) Jan 07 21:00:05 This isn't stallman compatible, because stallman would want the 18 megabyte gpu blob in flash inside the chip instead of on sd card ;) Jan 07 21:00:30 RMS is root mean square to me Jan 07 21:07:31 BTW, if anyone is interested, I just uploaded TrueCrypt 7.1 to -devel Jan 07 21:07:41 http://maemo.org/packages/view/truecrypt/ Jan 07 21:08:04 It seems that scp'ing reduced waiting time from few hours to few mins Jan 07 21:08:35 It was instantly builded and replacd devel version in under 10 mins Jan 07 21:17:36 ok, going to prepare backup and test if TrueCrypt 7.1 works as it should after being swallowed by extras builder Jan 07 21:17:38 see ya Jan 07 21:26:58 DocScrutinizer51: RMS is often root mean square, but sometimes is also Richard M. Stallmann Jan 07 21:27:10 s/nn/n/ Jan 07 21:27:11 kerio meant: DocScrutinizer51: RMS is often root mean square, but sometimes is also Richard M. Stallman Jan 07 21:56:33 kerio: I meant to say I got a more pragmatic view of things usually Jan 07 21:59:30 not that richard was any bad as e.g. poettering, but Imm not as radical as he is, and sometimes I have a good laugh when this foundation is demanding to store wlan blobs in dedicated flash chips 'not to taint the purity of FOSS linux' Jan 07 22:02:08 sometimes a bit of common sense results in a way morerelaxed approach Jan 07 22:21:37 i bought a new phone Jan 07 22:21:40 samsung Jan 07 22:21:42 android Jan 07 22:22:21 traitor!!1!one Jan 07 22:29:11 * ShadowJK has Samsung Galaxy Nexus or Samsung Note as potential next phones in case his N900 dies Jan 07 22:29:23 ShadowJK: not a droid 4? Jan 07 22:29:30 unobtanium Jan 07 22:29:32 note is HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Jan 07 22:29:32 i really want a physical keyboard :( Jan 07 22:29:41 kerio: swype is amazingly fast Jan 07 22:29:56 i doubt swype works well with the unix shell Jan 07 22:30:05 what the hell do i think i need a keyboard for? Jan 07 22:30:06 socializing? Jan 07 22:30:07 pff Jan 07 22:30:21 Even if it's as fast as regular keyboard, you still lose screenspace Jan 07 22:30:43 What's a droid 4 anyway Jan 07 22:31:09 a miserable little pile of locked bootloaders Jan 07 22:31:14 but enough talk, HAVE AT YOU Jan 07 22:31:22 well if you have phone with screen as big as samsung note Jan 07 22:31:27 it's 5" Jan 07 22:31:34 I assume it's motorola, but all the motorolas available I see are Atrix, Defy, Defy+, Milestone2, XT720 Jan 07 22:31:42 with keyboard you still have like 3.5" left Jan 07 22:32:03 ShadowJK: droid = milestone Jan 07 22:32:27 Yeah why I'd imagine Note wouldn't lose too much real-estate, unless they enforced some sort of silly minimum fontsize thing Jan 07 22:32:27 and yeah, locked bootloader :( Jan 07 22:32:40 Galaxy Nexus supposedly has open bootloader though Jan 07 22:32:55 Which means I could potentially convince it to read my email. Jan 07 22:33:26 I'm only assuming it's less dangerous than trying to convince an N9 to do that Jan 07 22:34:31 ShadowJK: it does Jan 07 23:24:37 seems my SD card is faulty indeed Jan 07 23:24:43 my computer doesn't recognize it at all Jan 07 23:28:34 request: could someone install truecrypt from extras-devel (usual warnings apply), and tell me, if running 'truecrypt' as root result in truecrypt GUI being loaded using hildon theme (=some parts unavailable), or regular 'desktop-like' theme? Jan 07 23:30:28 scrap the above Jan 07 23:30:39 current version of truecrypt in -devel is borked Jan 07 23:30:44 going to fix it asap Jan 07 23:57:05 request: could someone install truecrypt from extras-devel (usual warnings apply), and tell me, if running 'truecrypt' as root result in truecrypt GUI being loaded using hildon theme (=some parts unavailable), or regular 'desktop-like' theme? Jan 07 23:57:31 Warning, this version doesn't have working mount option (working on it). I'm just asking to check GUI Jan 07 23:57:47 as I'm trying to filter out if it's package problem or my device side Jan 07 23:58:29 basically, correct GUI should look "white/gray'ish", and after using "create new volume", every button should be visible Jan 07 23:58:53 on hildon theme, no button will be reachable (printed "under" screen). Jan 07 23:59:09 if anyone can check that, I would be most grateful Jan 08 00:00:41 (version uploaded today is 7.1maemo5, but mounting volumes is borked. maemo6 with this issue corrected is on it's way, but GUI issue confirmation/deny can be done with any 7.1 version) Jan 08 00:11:14 qthere are multiple scrobblr/last.fm plugins . which to use Jan 08 01:00:51 fixed version of truecrypt has been uploaded to -devel and is already available Jan 08 01:01:11 now everything should work, so I strongly encourage testers ;) Jan 08 01:02:02 on the other hand, little question. In case of my device, using 'unset GTK2_RC_FILES' result in something in-between hildon theme, and non-hildonized one Jan 08 01:02:12 I'm using latest CSSU-t, by the way Jan 08 01:03:27 so - with unset (...), any program run afterwards does have smaller font etc, but unlike other people device, it still have 'dark' background (instead of white/gray), and everything is bigger than it should (yet, not as big as using normal variables) Jan 08 01:04:26 for example, latest TrueCrypt 7.1 works for other people flawlessly (wrapper script do unset for users, or they would be unable to use buttons), but in my case, ikt's working differently Jan 08 01:05:52 using truecrypt as example - main window is just fitting into screen, but dialog to create new encrypted volume lacks buttons (they're printed outside screen). Fzor other people, it works ok - everything is smaller, and resembly theme foun in desktop PCs (cause wrapper execute unset GTK2_RC_FILES before executing actual truecrypt) Jan 08 01:05:56 any ideas? Jan 08 02:29:54 ping merlin1991 Jan 08 02:30:00 pong Pali Jan 08 02:30:05 merlin1991, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1147311&postcount=111 Jan 08 02:30:59 at moment I have no git ready but I'll look into it Jan 08 02:31:20 that's why I prefer gitorious, you always have a website to access the repo too ;) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 08 02:59:57 2012