**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 11 02:59:57 2012 Jan 11 04:52:04 Im giving my girlfriend my N900 (have an N9 now) Jan 11 04:52:17 i just reflashed everything back to PR1.3 and a fresh EMMC Jan 11 04:52:35 which repositories should I enable for her, she's an intermediate user Jan 11 04:52:45 Extras Jan 11 04:52:53 not testing? Jan 11 04:53:07 eh, if she can enable it then yes Jan 11 04:53:24 i dont know if it'd be of any use for her... Jan 11 04:53:32 i almost always enable testing and devel Jan 11 04:53:42 there's some interesting stuff in testing and devel, but stability and usability isn't guaranteed Jan 11 04:53:49 but I don't want her to have to figure out fapman, which is kind of annoying sometimes Jan 11 04:54:10 and with testing and/or devel enabled, the default application manager is useless Jan 11 04:54:23 takes forever for apt-worker.real to finish Jan 11 04:54:28 not sure if that's because of testing or devel Jan 11 04:55:36 one of those two at least Jan 11 04:56:40 god I cant get used to maemo 5 anymore Jan 11 04:57:03 its just not as smooth as harmattan :( **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 11 05:01:37 2012 Jan 11 05:02:06 an update showed up immediately on a fresh reflash+emmc, good to see CSSU is nicely integrated now Jan 11 05:04:39 ...or wait, maybe that was the incremental update nokia to revert that certificate :/ Jan 11 05:16:30 oh looks like power kernel is only extras-devel Jan 11 05:16:39 unless I want the ancient power42 version Jan 11 05:17:16 will a more recent power kernel ever be promoted? Jan 11 05:20:48 looks like kernel-power-debug power49 is in extras-testing but not kernel-power Jan 11 05:22:15 I guess I can manually upload kernel-power and flasher without enabling extras-devel Jan 11 05:53:12 my battery almost empty and i cant charge with usb..and i didnt bring my charger... zzz Jan 11 05:58:47 damn, is there a way to manually install this deb *without* having to install root? Jan 11 05:59:45 I get an "incompatible application package" when i load it up with the application manager Jan 11 05:59:56 thought it might be a missing section in the debian/control but nope, its there Jan 11 06:29:11 alright, so now i only have extras enabled, stable CSSU, power kernel 49 Jan 11 06:29:24 made sure gainroot doesnt work now Jan 11 06:29:44 I think i can safely give this phone away now Jan 11 06:51:25 Sazpaimon_, n9 is better than n900? Jan 11 07:06:22 xev, I wouldn't say its better or worse Jan 11 07:06:31 its like comparing apples to oranges Jan 11 07:06:51 i would like an n9 Jan 11 07:07:01 it has ram Jan 11 07:07:20 btw i am tunning for POTYUS Jan 11 07:07:28 POTUS Jan 11 07:08:05 affiliated with the linux party Jan 11 07:08:54 so I give the N900 to my girlfriend after all that special preparation Jan 11 07:09:00 and all she's using it for is sketch Jan 11 08:23:23 Sazpaimon_, how about battery usage? its better than n900? because i would like to have n9 Jan 11 08:43:16 N9 has evil DRM Jan 11 08:57:26 dangergrrl: POTUS == President of the United States? :-D Jan 11 09:00:23 yes Jan 11 09:00:30 i am running Jan 11 09:00:40 free software for all Jan 11 09:02:09 ShadowJK: You wrote the bq2700 i2c info dump script right? Jan 11 09:54:11 Robot101, any status updates on the SSL update? Jan 11 11:04:14 Hey, anyone knows why my N900 sees some strange "HPB110a.FFBBDF" point-to-point wifi station, I can even connect it? I see it everywhere - at home, in metro... The internets says this is specific to the HP PhotoSmart printer... wtf?! Jan 11 11:05:56 Ad-hoc networks can never be reliably determined that tehy are not there Jan 11 11:06:02 there is no beacon Jan 11 11:07:17 so that's just because I have seen it somewhere initially and connected it, then it will be in the list forever, unless I remove it? Jan 11 11:07:46 yes Jan 11 11:08:33 makes sense. Removed it, disappeared. Thanks. Jan 11 12:43:40 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/apple_extortion/ Jan 11 12:46:17 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/11/nokia_us_comeback/ Jan 11 16:01:26 hi Jan 11 16:03:30 Timestamp: 1/11/2012 10:55:17 AM Jan 11 16:03:31 Warning: Expected identifier for pseudo-class or pseudo-element but found '['. Ruleset ignored due to bad selector. Jan 11 16:03:31 Source File: chrome://browser/skin/devtools/common.css Jan 11 16:03:31 Line: 77 Jan 11 16:03:36 .devtools-toolbarbutton:[checked]:hover:active { Jan 11 16:03:39 is there a bug for that? Jan 11 16:04:17 oops, wrong window Jan 11 16:29:36 OMG, can I PLEASE replace WP7 on this Lumia with something else? Anything. Jan 11 16:30:09 It feels like a dumb phone, except that it is kinda hard to call from it Jan 11 16:32:43 Purrfect, can't even play an .avi Jan 11 16:39:36 heh Jan 11 16:39:53 the wp7 phone i used had one of the best dialer pads i've ever seen on a touch screen Jan 11 16:49:33 ahhhahaha Jan 11 16:49:40 It offered me to convert an .avi Jan 11 16:49:54 Spent 30 minutes converting, the result looks like 320x240 resolution Jan 11 17:13:34 DocScrutinizer, ping Jan 11 17:14:49 see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668 Jan 11 17:19:45 Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? Jan 11 17:30:25 RST38h: how close is the hw to n9. can you flash hamattan Jan 11 17:32:43 plate: different hardware Jan 11 17:44:48 still, buying a WP7 phone then whining in here is like chopping off tour legs and whining your're 2 feet shorter Jan 11 17:46:05 win8+wp7 has a pretty UI imo, but if you thought ANdroid was bad with its lack of libc, fudegadabout it Jan 11 17:47:46 is there an X server for android? Jan 11 18:01:56 http://i.nokia.com/image/view/-/262208/highRes/1/-/nokia-800-fbtab.png Jan 11 18:03:49 ddg turns up http://androix.org/ and http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/libraries_and_demo/xvncxx11-server-w-vnc-backnd_bwboy.html Jan 11 18:04:01 between that and a debian chroot, maybe android isnt too bad Jan 11 18:04:46 ah, android. reinveting the wheel to no great end for 4 years. Jan 11 19:25:10 end users want FAcebook, not flexibility or freedom Jan 11 19:37:21 most developers are happily chasing after $3 app buyers on iOS/Android anyways Jan 11 19:38:03 nice, but WTF are You reffering to, plate? Jan 11 19:38:10 the current craptitude Jan 11 19:38:35 why cant i upgrade my aging, slow, memory-devoid N900 with something that runs ARch/Gentoo/Debian and has multitouch and 1g of ram Jan 11 19:38:48 i have to accept all sorts of BS toughyl-coupled with it like an OS and Carrier i dont want Jan 11 19:39:23 my answer is that consumers are willing to buy whatever is put infront of their face Jan 11 19:39:36 because utimately the market does whatever it can bear getting away with Jan 11 19:40:32 as long as it looks pretty with bells and whstlis they'll buy a dirty pair of underware Jan 11 19:42:12 and we ge tossed in thepile with the betamax again Jan 11 19:43:16 plate, but we know it already ;P) Jan 11 19:43:22 dont need to write about that:P Jan 11 19:43:32 go to iPhone channel and educate them Jan 11 19:43:45 lmao Jan 11 20:46:56 hello everyone, i am looking to be able to put the debian operating system on a phone and unfortunately i am on contract with sprint so does anyone here have a phone that i can add linux to that will work with the sprint network...any suggestions would be great, thank you... Jan 11 20:48:07 from the research that i have been doing a few years ago people seem to have lots of luck with the nokia n900 adding debian linux to that phone but that phone will not work with sprint so does anyone have any suggestions about which phone that will work with the sprint network could have linux added to it? Jan 11 20:48:48 lol mobile phones in the US Jan 11 21:25:50 ghostcube: ask Sprint? Jan 11 21:26:07 "which CdMA phones of yours support Debian" Jan 11 21:30:13 N9 looks pretty good, but its $600 NIB on amazon. $200 for a NIB n900 on ebay Jan 11 21:30:19 and i doubt it works w/ Sprint Jan 11 21:30:49 nothing works with sprint unless sprint sells it Jan 11 21:30:53 (go go CDMA) Jan 11 22:09:32 * Sicelo wonders what would happen if he completely disabled all trackerd options in tracker.cfg Jan 11 22:12:09 Photos wont see new stuff you took, Media Player will report 0 music files, etc Jan 11 22:12:19 you can even apt-get remove trackerd Jan 11 22:12:44 as long as you can navitage to ~/DCIM on your own and use mplaye ror something its fine Jan 11 22:13:02 i do notice it likes to chew 100% CPU scanning files i could care less about being indexed, so removed it long ago Jan 11 22:19:12 you can configure it to be _much_ less aggressive, so it doesn't scan media you don't want it to Jan 11 22:21:40 id3 tags are empty in 50% of files anyway. and wrong in about 25% of the rest Jan 11 22:21:44 yeah.. that's what i've just done. for example, i don't see why in the world it indexes MyDocs/.documents/ Jan 11 23:34:02 ~jrtools Jan 11 23:34:02 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Jan 11 23:34:59 sed -i -e "s/Throttle=0/Throttle=10/" /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg Jan 11 23:36:13 Sicelo: tracker is linux' spotlight Jan 11 23:37:19 alas there's not a single app I know of that'd actually *use* all that "index all my `PC` please" functions of tracker Jan 11 23:40:00 if there'd be such an app, you should be able to find all mp3, all videos, all pictures, pdf, plain files that have "foobar" *somewhere* in title, name, body, or - with right pluging - even in audio songtext (/me idly wonders if tracker project already has a speech2text indexer plugin) Jan 11 23:40:01 as far as I see it tracker actually needs only 1 fix to work proper on maemo Jan 11 23:40:12 webpages, I forgot Jan 11 23:40:14 realize that vfat got unmounted and not all files are gone Jan 11 23:40:53 in other words don't remove umounted media but flag as currently not avaiable Jan 11 23:41:17 which would solve the silly I'm gonna rescan and reextract all your media NAO cuz you plugged out the usb cable Jan 11 23:41:19 * DocScrutinizer can't think of *any* fix that would make tracker "work proper" Jan 11 23:43:18 merlin1991: "stop trackerd" in ke-recv umount /media/card" script Jan 11 23:43:52 sounds like a patch for CSSU Jan 11 23:44:59 Imo tracker works perfect as long as its database grows when you contiounsly add media to it Jan 11 23:45:22 as soon as it wipes its database due to a umount it's ofc a huge mess Jan 11 23:45:47 DocScrutinizer: I thought more along the lines of making tracker recognize fs Jan 11 23:46:38 ofc on maemo5 we can simply stop tracker and start again upon remount since we don't index anything else, but in gereral I think it makes more sense to have tracker assign media not only to a path but also to mountpoint and realize when a mount is missing Jan 11 23:47:20 errr Jan 11 23:47:33 have fun! Jan 11 23:47:49 shut up ;) Jan 11 23:48:07 * DocScrutinizer mumbles "bindmount" and "empty mountpoint dirs", and "fake fstab" Jan 11 23:48:14 hehe Jan 11 23:48:45 but yeah since we're going to ship improved ke-recv anyway we could add the stop trackerd option Jan 11 23:48:59 x act ly Jan 11 23:49:10 * merlin1991 needs to investigate upon the proper way to pause tracker Jan 11 23:49:23 * merlin1991 darkly remembers something about tracker-processes having proper flags Jan 11 23:49:33 hm? Jan 11 23:49:55 as soon as it wipes its database due to a umount it's ofc a huge mess Jan 11 23:50:11 tracker doesn't know what you did while the fs was unmounted Jan 11 23:50:44 yes but it could realize "this mount point is gone, data could be temporarily unavaiable" Jan 11 23:51:05 instead of just wiping everything from it's database that was there Jan 11 23:51:22 and reindexding upon remount Jan 11 23:51:36 it will reindex anyway, upon mount Jan 11 23:51:40 it has to Jan 11 23:51:42 because it does not know what you did while it was unmounted Jan 11 23:51:52 it could skip known files though Jan 11 23:52:03 it would have to md5 them Jan 11 23:52:07 assuming they didn'T change meta content Jan 11 23:52:19 javispedro: just let me ask you what does tracker do when you reboot? Jan 11 23:52:21 or do some other kind of check, so it would be as slow if not actually slower than just parsing metadata again Jan 11 23:52:29 it remembers it has files and it remembers timestamps Jan 11 23:52:42 you can force tracker to reindex files by simply touching them Jan 11 23:52:45 javispedro: MEH Jan 11 23:53:07 so it compares timestamps on files Jan 11 23:53:22 merlin1991, timestamps are not realiable when you put windows in the equation Jan 11 23:53:23 tracker *should* already store full pathname, it also could store size, and inode nr, and ctime/mtime Jan 11 23:53:26 it could do just that upon remount and only reindex what is nerwer Jan 11 23:53:46 fsckd windows Jan 11 23:54:14 a 2 stat() is always faster than a id3tag-grep Jan 11 23:54:30 what doc said :) Jan 11 23:54:31 I am quite happy with tracker performance on the n900 btw, I have around ~20GiB of m4as and it tackes around 2:30 Jan 11 23:54:36 (minutes, not hours :) ) Jan 11 23:54:46 or the synonym on pdf files, for "all words >3 chars, that are not on blacklist" Jan 11 23:54:49 DocScrutinizer, I was thinking about md5, not stat(9 Jan 11 23:55:02 javispedro: I've noticed tracker indexes music quite fast Jan 11 23:55:13 it really sucks extracting video shots Jan 11 23:55:27 BWAHAHA Jan 11 23:55:37 whenever I remove my video collection from the n900 reindexing is ultrafast Jan 11 23:55:47 but if I readd it tracker is busy for 10 mins min Jan 11 23:56:12 and I'm not talking about 200 movies but like 10 episodes of some series Jan 11 23:56:33 When I copied ~25GB of mp3 to my eMMC, trackerd amused me with a ETA guestimate that incresed from "ca. 5 min" to "ca 30 min" over time Jan 11 23:56:40 in the end it was more than 30 Jan 11 23:57:04 hm Jan 11 23:57:17 it doesn't reindex anything at all when using usb mass storage here Jan 11 23:57:27 javispedro: it always does for me Jan 11 23:57:33 also it depends on what tags you have Jan 11 23:57:42 *NOW* it also doesn't here ;-P Jan 11 23:58:05 DocScrutinizer, your evilness :) Jan 11 23:58:06 for example album art in your mp3s can kill it if the size exceeds some smaller values Jan 11 23:58:16 n8 folks Jan 11 23:58:23 embedded album art is the devil Jan 11 23:58:29 frigging touchpad wants it Jan 11 23:58:44 on the other hand how do you get tracker to add proper album art to songs? Jan 11 23:58:47 tracker too Jan 11 23:58:54 so far I only was successfull with embedded album art Jan 11 23:58:58 folder.jpg, album.jpg Jan 11 23:59:05 tracker hapily ignored ANY kind of .jpg in the folder Jan 11 23:59:06 haha Jan 11 23:59:31 but instantly extracted embedded art to .mediaartlocal :P Jan 11 23:59:31 I thought my patches for this had gotten into the CSSU? Jan 11 23:59:45 * merlin1991 doesn't remember those patches Jan 11 23:59:50 and we never patched tracker Jan 11 23:59:58 http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/tracker/ Jan 12 00:00:05 that is PR1.3 tracker packages, and the patches Jan 12 00:00:05 duh Jan 12 00:00:26 * DocScrutinizer grabs the whip Jan 12 00:00:32 ;-D Jan 12 00:00:41 it seems loads of patches have been missed over time Jan 12 00:00:55 mooooooooohammmmmad Jan 12 00:01:03 I've been collecting random patches from all over to throw at mag when he shows up again Jan 12 00:01:22 javispedro: thanks will add them to my todo Jan 12 00:01:32 thumbs up Jan 12 00:01:40 merlin1991 for imperator Jan 12 00:02:34 konttori once being optimistic and saying that they planned to backport the harmattan tracker to fremantle just came to mind Jan 12 00:03:08 * javispedro goes find the "Times have changed" song from Watchmen Jan 12 00:03:39 we got a strange lil kingdom - javispedro is our merlin, merlin1991 is our knight, and the youngsters are the evil old emperors that block every progress Jan 12 00:04:50 and our local Doctor :) Jan 12 00:06:22 actually the fault is mine, I said on february 2011 that I'd merge them into the cssu... Jan 12 00:07:01 javispedro: would you prefer todo your own git commits to push to http://gitorious.org/community-ssu or should I just slap the patches into a commit each and push? Jan 12 00:07:54 also I'm not really sure what the realignore.patch does :P Jan 12 00:08:15 ignore reality? ;-P Jan 12 00:08:41 could be usefull, but I don't think that is what it is :P Jan 12 00:08:57 tracker didn't ignore folders from "removable media" even if you added it to the config file Jan 12 00:09:23 indeed Jan 12 00:09:24 I couldn't make it ignore my SDK dir when I mounted it from the SDK for ex. Jan 12 00:09:27 *from the SD Jan 12 00:09:54 tracker is stinking can of worms Jan 12 00:10:25 fremantle one was rushed Jan 12 00:10:56 the bugs fixed by the above patches are absolutely trivial and all of the issues were fixed in harmattan by the time I made them Jan 12 00:11:11 no, the concept got invented by a 10 year old on LSD & Jaegermeister Jan 12 00:11:28 in fact I'm quite sure konttori must still have the backported tracker version somewhere, but it never got released because of the usual burocracy things Jan 12 00:11:34 *bureaucracy Jan 12 00:11:48 like the n800 bme :( Jan 12 00:12:02 well Jan 12 00:12:17 if he can set the code to the wild, cssu is always happy about poper codedumps ;) Jan 12 00:12:59 oh, you have quite a large codedump... Jan 12 00:13:02 a nice thought to go to sleep - some apocalypse got forestalled by buerocracy Jan 12 00:13:06 it's called harmattan, or maemo6 Jan 12 00:13:13 g'nite Jan 12 00:13:18 gnite dockane_ Jan 12 00:13:20 oops Jan 12 00:13:36 * javispedro 's xchat got deconfigured for some reason Jan 12 00:13:37 well javispedro that codedump isn't exactly easy to use ;) Jan 12 00:13:49 merlin1991, yeah =) Jan 12 00:14:09 on the other hand already backported code that just lies somewhere can always be easily included in cssu :D Jan 12 00:14:19 but it's an example that certain "codedumps" might very well be useless for certain purposes like this one Jan 12 00:14:52 (that woody guy on TMO is going to kill me for this) Jan 12 00:15:17 oh that woody guy who currently joined the flamewar vs mag? Jan 12 00:15:20 * DocScrutinizer trows a few nice forkbombs and GPIO-shortcircuit collisions' codedrops on merlin1991 Jan 12 00:15:43 DocScrutinizer: you said gn8, get autta here ;) Jan 12 00:16:01 he never sleeps Jan 12 00:16:58 wistleblower! Jan 12 00:17:16 gotta love it how the "why people don't use cssu" got far more posts in short time than the actual cssu topics :D Jan 12 00:17:42 ohnoes, a tmo trollthread? XP Jan 12 00:18:09 it's more of a general missinformation thread Jan 12 00:18:21 aka trolling Jan 12 00:18:33 but I don't think adding my 2 cent there with proper info will have any chance vs all the other "cssu is THE EVIL" posts Jan 12 00:18:34 not *good* trolling Jan 12 00:19:27 just post the URL on e.g 4chan, so the email addr got properly harvested by spam spiders Jan 12 00:19:38 4chan quality trolling? Jan 12 00:19:48 nah Jan 12 00:19:49 saying that IS trolling Jan 12 00:20:00 it's above 4chan quality trolling, they still use full sentences Jan 12 00:20:13 javispedro: any other patch you might have written that never made it into cssu? :P Jan 12 00:20:26 my memory is limited Jan 12 00:20:42 I don't think so Jan 12 00:20:51 probably some to SDL but I don't remember any from the top of my head Jan 12 00:26:25 javispedro: just checked, connected n900 in mass storage, unplugged and tracker-indexer had its fun Jan 12 00:27:38 * merlin1991 wonders though why it was that fast Jan 12 00:27:47 I do have 15 gb in .sounds Jan 12 00:28:18 maybe because I have swap on the sdcard? Jan 12 00:29:27 javispedro: what does tracker prioritice? folder.jpg or embedded art? Jan 12 00:30:24 don't remember Jan 12 00:30:31 probably embedded Jan 12 00:30:45 I do know that it priorizes .mediaartlocal and whatever is on XDG cache dir though Jan 12 00:32:22 merlin1991: maybe it already checks mtime of dirs **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 12 02:59:57 2012