**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 14 02:59:58 2012 Jan 14 05:21:37 crap. dropped my phone. Jan 14 05:22:16 back cover and battery flew off, but no scratches or shaking emmc's can be seen anywhere Jan 14 05:22:33 only problem is that the right side of the slider is looser than the left. Jan 14 06:42:05 oh, i have that since forever Jan 14 06:42:14 right side always is looser Jan 14 06:42:31 second N900, same looseness Jan 14 06:58:08 probably related to always using the right hand on the right side to slide open the device Jan 14 06:58:46 but only until you notice, after that you always take care to push at the center Jan 14 07:00:40 oh, i dont:) Jan 14 07:00:58 my mantra is more like "Screw it, I have two of em." Jan 14 07:10:40 I wonder if there are any updated chromium builds... Jan 14 07:56:34 Lava_Croft: ping Jan 14 07:58:05 freemangordon: pong Jan 14 07:58:16 I tested some more with kp49 Jan 14 07:58:29 no luck< Jan 14 07:58:42 Lava_Croft, you said something about KP and battery usage a few days ago I didn't quite understand Jan 14 07:58:53 well, you said i should have a longer lasting battery Jan 14 07:58:58 no luck as in? Jan 14 07:59:06 it just drains the battery faster for me Jan 14 07:59:14 whicj KP? Jan 14 07:59:17 49 Jan 14 07:59:21 which? Jan 14 07:59:25 from repos? Jan 14 07:59:27 from extras-devel Jan 14 07:59:28 yes Jan 14 07:59:38 SR enabled? Jan 14 07:59:46 and it might be a placebo effect, but it seems it drains faster when using lower voltages Jan 14 07:59:49 yes Jan 14 07:59:55 so far, the best result was with 'ideal' and sr enabled Jan 14 08:00:02 :D Jan 14 08:00:03 but still it drained like 150% faster than stock kernel Jan 14 08:00:08 if not more Jan 14 08:00:21 i use the device a lot for streaming radio over 2g/3g and webbrowsing Jan 14 08:00:27 well, it does not matter which profile you use if you enable SR Jan 14 08:00:33 ah Jan 14 08:00:50 i just cannot figure out for the life of me why it drains faster, im not that technical:P Jan 14 08:00:53 absolutely no difference as SR calculates the voltage Jan 14 08:01:03 i kind of had that idea, yes Jan 14 08:01:08 but thought what the hell Jan 14 08:01:29 but the odd thing is Jan 14 08:01:45 older versions of kp, (iirc <47) did not drain the battery this fast Jan 14 08:01:54 i used KP all the time with the older versions Jan 14 08:02:16 You can try latest build from pali, i've changed SR a little. Do you use u-boot by any chance? Jan 14 08:02:23 no uboot Jan 14 08:02:44 have no ide than, but i can bet it is not the kernel itself Jan 14 08:02:50 *idea Jan 14 08:02:55 well, i havent changed anything, really Jan 14 08:03:03 anything that might possibly ruin stuff, that is Jan 14 08:03:08 anything in dmesg? Jan 14 08:03:27 what powertop says? Jan 14 08:03:28 probably not anymore, i removed kp49 Jan 14 08:03:33 i only have 3 batteries :< Jan 14 08:03:46 yeah, very helpfull :( Jan 14 08:04:05 ohai freemangordon Jan 14 08:04:10 oh, i could install it again Jan 14 08:04:11 no problem Jan 14 08:04:30 my recently dropped n900 is not crashing with sr vdd1 and 2 on. probably a good sign/ Jan 14 08:04:53 oh yeah freemangordon, enabling SR was indeed stable Jan 14 08:04:57 for what its worth:) Jan 14 08:06:55 freemangordon: anything else besides kernel-power you want me to install Jan 14 08:07:02 that might aid in troubleshooting Jan 14 08:07:04 Hurrian, is it my latest build from KP thread on TMO Jan 14 08:07:15 Lava_Croft: powertop Jan 14 08:07:52 already have that, rebooting Jan 14 08:08:11 im so happy my cracked lens cover isnt visible for the camera Jan 14 08:08:25 @freemangordon yes, using the bootimg Jan 14 08:09:14 Hurrian, yes, that is a good sign as the way SR calculations are done there will make it in KP50 Jan 14 08:10:20 freemangordon: perferred way to enable SR is to save a profile to ~ and enable it in there? Jan 14 08:10:40 I don't thenk there is any preffered way Jan 14 08:10:44 *think Jan 14 08:10:59 ill ask it differently then: how do you enable it? :) Jan 14 08:11:12 kernel-config load dsp Jan 14 08:11:26 or kernel-config load default if you don't overclock Jan 14 08:11:28 done Jan 14 08:11:42 i dont mind overclocking a bit Jan 14 08:11:56 well, dsp profile overclock to 805 Jan 14 08:11:57 805mhz max freq, odd Jan 14 08:12:00 yeah, i saw Jan 14 08:12:05 wahy odd? Jan 14 08:12:10 why* Jan 14 08:12:19 odd number Jan 14 08:12:24 one would expect 800 or 850 Jan 14 08:12:34 running powertop Jan 14 08:13:02 that is a legacy from titan, but I am sure he has his reasons, maybe PLL does not like 800 as a frequency Jan 14 08:13:24 you want the output on pastebin? Jan 14 08:13:29 sure Jan 14 08:17:00 bastard opera mobile omitting http:// Jan 14 08:17:27 http://pastebin.com/Mrh9NTLL freemangordon Jan 14 08:18:22 Lava_Croft: charger connected? Jan 14 08:18:25 nope Jan 14 08:18:27 needs to be? Jan 14 08:18:36 no Jan 14 08:18:52 just too much of activity Jan 14 08:19:00 from? Jan 14 08:19:07 maybe the device was not settled down Jan 14 08:19:23 i just did powertop > powertop.txt Jan 14 08:20:06 shall i try a fresh reboot -> wait 5 minutes -> run powertop Jan 14 08:20:14 to give the device all the time it needs to settle down Jan 14 08:20:26 hmm, lets do it again in several minutes. And lock the device after pressing enter key, so the screen is off Jan 14 08:20:34 ok Jan 14 08:20:35 no reboot needed Jan 14 08:21:48 according to top, which is the most CPU-active process? Jan 14 08:22:19 apart from htop itself, Xorg Jan 14 08:22:45 and unplug the USB power Jan 14 08:22:54 good, seems the device is calm, you can do powertop again Jan 14 08:23:03 SpeedEvil (nod) Jan 14 08:24:13 i am using the 'speedpatch' because i love placebos Jan 14 08:24:41 Lava_Croft, why oh why Jan 14 08:24:53 i smoke cigarettes too Jan 14 08:24:56 might be related to it Jan 14 08:25:17 i already was a but suspicious of it, but your comment here makes me remove it Jan 14 08:25:35 I am smoker too, but that is not the reason to buy cheap ones full of ter Jan 14 08:25:40 har Jan 14 08:25:41 *tar Jan 14 08:29:43 Lava_Croft, read this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148490&postcount=29 and this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148766&postcount=34 Jan 14 08:30:59 Lava_Croft: what has happened with powertop? Jan 14 08:31:30 pastebinning it Jan 14 08:31:33 ok Jan 14 08:32:46 http://pastebin.com/5UMYxTD8 Jan 14 08:33:11 doesnt look that different Jan 14 08:33:17 (to me) Jan 14 08:34:36 Total wakeups 42353 ?!? WTF? should be less than 1500 if connected to inet with IM accounts logged on. Jan 14 08:34:42 eh Jan 14 08:34:52 Is it plugged into USB? Jan 14 08:34:55 nope Jan 14 08:34:57 screen was off too Jan 14 08:35:14 it is logged into 2 jabber accounts (facebook chat and another jabber server) Jan 14 08:35:24 ok - what's intellisyncd? Jan 14 08:35:45 I am wondering too Jan 14 08:35:47 PIM syncing i think Jan 14 08:36:03 The Intellisync Corporation is a provider of Data and PIM Synchronization software for mobile devices, such as Cell Phones and PDAs. The company is currently a part of Nokia, after it was acquired in 2006. Jan 14 08:36:48 i use the awful nokia messaging so incoming emails give me a notifcation right away Jan 14 08:37:26 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9334 - probably not Jan 14 08:37:29 04Bug 9334: Corrupted isync_mailstore.db causes process 'intellisync' restarting in short intervals Jan 14 08:38:12 dont think so either Jan 14 08:38:31 may it be actually downloading stuff? Jan 14 08:38:38 also - stracing it may be of use. Jan 14 08:39:01 i dont know if the nokia messaging stuff is related to intellisync Jan 14 08:39:04 could very well be Jan 14 08:39:17 Lava_Croft, can you put the device offline and try again, seems a lot of activity is going on when connected Jan 14 08:40:09 btw anything suspicios in dmesg? Jan 14 08:40:35 not that i can see Jan 14 08:41:12 ok, try again with device in offline mode Jan 14 08:41:17 doing so atm Jan 14 08:41:59 also - try rebooting Jan 14 08:42:19 SpeedEvil, why is that, it is freshly booted Jan 14 08:42:24 nvm then Jan 14 08:45:25 http://pastebin.com/SaMk6bBv Jan 14 08:45:30 thats more like it, i reckon Jan 14 08:45:39 427 wakeups Jan 14 08:45:56 yeah, that is how it should be. Jan 14 08:45:57 i could try and disable the nokia messaging stuff Jan 14 08:46:12 still having "speedpatch"? Jan 14 08:46:24 nope Jan 14 08:46:29 good Jan 14 08:46:35 removed the bashrc etc it created too Jan 14 08:46:42 you should - ideally - be seeing something more like 2+ seconds average idletime in C4 Jan 14 08:46:55 well, whatever eats your battery, it is not KP Jan 14 08:47:03 now,... Jan 14 08:47:15 to find out what the hell is causing like what Jan 14 08:47:17 40k wakeups Jan 14 08:47:29 copy dsp profile to /etc/default/kernel-power Jan 14 08:47:57 and edit it so the limits are 125-805 Jan 14 08:48:51 where is the profile located? Jan 14 08:49:04 the dsp one (and the others) Jan 14 08:49:22 i could load it, save it to ~ and then move to /etc Jan 14 08:49:27 no Jan 14 08:49:40 "usr/share/kernel-power" or something Jan 14 08:49:53 "/usr/..." Jan 14 08:49:55 yeah, kernel-power-settings i guess Jan 14 08:50:37 Lava_Croft: that is assuming you device is stable with SR Jan 14 08:50:45 it has been in my testing Jan 14 08:50:49 which lasted several days Jan 14 08:50:51 good Jan 14 08:50:56 only downside was the battery drain Jan 14 08:51:04 the rest works flawlessly and without hitches Jan 14 08:51:18 reboot? Jan 14 08:51:30 hold on Jan 14 08:52:25 now, you have "/usr/share/kernel-power/dsp" copied as "/etc/default/kernel-power"? And you've changed MINFREQ to be 125? Jan 14 08:52:31 yes Jan 14 08:52:35 good, reboot Jan 14 08:53:44 hooray, it didnt break Jan 14 08:53:51 :D Jan 14 08:54:11 check if correct profile is loaded with kernel-config show Jan 14 08:54:13 ever since my first n900 randomly died, everytime it lags just a little bit, i get scared:< Jan 14 08:54:43 correct profile loaded Jan 14 08:55:05 ill give it a bit of juice Jan 14 08:55:09 the rebooting hurts battery Jan 14 08:55:18 good, now give the bugger some time to calm down and redo the powertop stuff. Jan 14 08:55:23 ok Jan 14 08:55:32 well, about 5% or so, it is not so much Jan 14 08:55:48 its not like the battery status readings are completely sane Jan 14 08:55:50 :P Jan 14 08:55:55 yeah Jan 14 08:56:05 i use advanced-power too, btw Jan 14 08:56:09 ahaa Jan 14 08:56:12 but thats just since a few days and never hurt battery Jan 14 08:56:20 the testing with kp49 was without it Jan 14 08:56:29 that is why hildon-status-menu is waking up the CPU Jan 14 08:56:50 advanced-power is bad mojo, too? Jan 14 08:56:58 AFAIK Jan 14 08:57:15 suggest to remove it? Jan 14 08:57:21 yeah Jan 14 08:57:24 will do so now Jan 14 08:58:23 heh Jan 14 08:58:34 advanced-interface-switcher is related to advanced-power? Jan 14 08:58:59 AFAIK it is python (or some other script) Could be wrong of course. Jan 14 08:59:09 advanced-power is python, im sure of that Jan 14 08:59:39 well, imagine what that stuff is doing with your RAM when constantly loaded ;) Jan 14 08:59:52 apt-get remove advanced-power advancer-power-common advanced-power-monitor also makes apt-get want to remove advanced-interface-switcher Jan 14 08:59:55 heh Jan 14 09:00:17 what is this doing? Jan 14 09:00:26 whay it is so precios Jan 14 09:00:47 advanced-interface-switcher is a status menu plugin to switch/turn off or on BT, 2g/3g and wlan Jan 14 09:00:56 * precious Jan 14 09:01:00 easy way to switch to 3g when wanting to browse the web Jan 14 09:01:09 and to easily turn off wlan when leaving home Jan 14 09:01:22 there are several other status menu plugins for it, but they clutter the status menu Jan 14 09:01:34 2g/3g selection applet? Jan 14 09:01:48 like that, yes, only combined with wifi switcher Jan 14 09:02:06 it can also automagically turn off wlan after a set amount of time without any accessible networks Jan 14 09:02:22 ill just let apt-get remove it Jan 14 09:02:26 why you need to switch wifi off? reduced battery usage? Jan 14 09:02:32 yes Jan 14 09:02:43 theres no need to have wlan enabled when im not going to use it at all Jan 14 09:03:02 my workday is all spent on 2g/3g Jan 14 09:03:22 removing it all Jan 14 09:04:11 the repos need some red flashing light to mark packages that are just fucked up Jan 14 09:04:58 well, I am using stock applet for managing wlan/gprs and didn't see any ill effects. I make it trough day with half of a battery Jan 14 09:05:15 stock applet, you mean the config panel? Jan 14 09:05:19 yeah Jan 14 09:05:37 well, the 2g/3g switcher and wlan switcher never caused trouble here Jan 14 09:05:42 4 IM accounts, BT handsfree, 1-2 hours of browsing Jan 14 09:05:50 and i switch from 2g to 3g quite a bit on a workday, so it gets annoying to have to enter the config panel all the time Jan 14 09:05:54 constantly online Jan 14 09:05:59 yeah, same here Jan 14 09:06:06 n900 is my lifeline Jan 14 09:06:14 KP49 :p Jan 14 09:06:51 no need to enter cp all the time Jan 14 09:07:06 just set it up to connect automatically Jan 14 09:07:40 that wont easily let me switch between 2g and 3g... ? Jan 14 09:07:55 easily as in, without entering the cp and 'disabling' 3g, or enabling it Jan 14 09:08:11 I switch to 3g only when fast inet needed, 3g eats my battery for 4-5 hours Jan 14 09:08:16 yup Jan 14 09:08:18 same here Jan 14 09:08:21 radio can stream fine over 2g Jan 14 09:08:28 I use 2g/3g selection applet Jan 14 09:08:44 thats what i used for most of the time, until i saw advanced-interace-switcher Jan 14 09:14:29 haha Jan 14 09:14:36 937 wakeups now Jan 14 09:14:39 in online mode Jan 14 09:14:47 ridiculous.... Jan 14 09:15:07 ill have to flag some more packages as "evil" in my mind now Jan 14 09:15:22 i guess this sets a new field for testing the battery life, which i will start on monday Jan 14 09:15:33 thanks a bunch so far, freemangordon Jan 14 09:15:42 i will certainly keep you informed Jan 14 09:15:51 np, thanks Jan 14 09:16:06 porr KP Jan 14 09:16:12 *poor Jan 14 09:16:16 well, the thing is Jan 14 09:16:28 the battery life went down after installing KP:) Jan 14 09:16:42 so for a poor end-user like myself that makes it look like KP is the culprit Jan 14 09:16:43 for 3g/2g switching i use 'phone-control' lol Jan 14 09:17:17 haha Jan 14 09:18:49 works fine for me ;) .. maybe i should make a DCX button for it :P Jan 14 09:20:16 Sicelo, that is exactly what 2g/3g selection applet does Jan 14 09:20:40 btw that's on status menu? Jan 14 09:20:51 yep Jan 14 09:21:04 very handy Jan 14 09:21:17 u trust it then :) Jan 14 09:22:27 i'll install it soon. i try not to install stuff unnecessarily Jan 14 09:24:54 Same here, but this one is really useful Jan 14 09:25:08 although i very rarely use 3G, for battery reasons and the fact that i don't usually need fast data (expensive anyway) Jan 14 09:25:18 thanks freemangordon. installed already :) Jan 14 09:41:02 http://eu.techcrunch.com/2009/08/11/nokia-ditching-symbian-for-maemo-german-ft-reports/ Jan 14 09:41:31 haha Jan 14 09:50:34 SpeedEvil: nostalgia? thats from 2009 afair Jan 14 09:51:22 meh Jan 14 09:52:16 you didnt notice, SpeedEvil? :D Jan 14 09:52:52 but nokia is always great for a good laugh Jan 14 09:53:37 yes, I noticed. Jan 14 10:14:00 http://www.bgr.com/2012/01/13/nokia-sells-more-than-450-patents-to-patent-troll/ Jan 14 10:48:28 * DocScrutinizer sells 50,000 trained rats to patent troll's neighbour Jan 14 10:49:06 ninja rats ;-) Jan 14 10:51:34 * DocScrutinizer honestly thinks patents shouldn't be a tradable good Jan 14 10:52:39 patents should not exist Jan 14 10:52:41 Apart perhaps from individuals to corporate - once. Jan 14 10:52:43 at all Jan 14 10:52:50 Patents should, and must exist. Jan 14 10:52:56 meh, FU aspellchecker -- tradeable* Jan 14 10:52:58 But they need to be _sharply_ limited. Jan 14 10:53:20 The 'obviousness' test should be beefed up hugely. Jan 14 10:53:41 You do not get to patent 'protecting metal surfaces with paint on flying cars'. Jan 14 10:53:50 Because you invented the flying car. Jan 14 11:15:18 why should you even be allowed to patent your invention of the flying car Jan 14 11:18:30 how to edit cssu key shortcuts? e.g. ctrl shift x for term Jan 14 11:18:41 (not sure if that's cssu related) Jan 14 11:22:31 hildon-desktop in cssu is 'related' to m-h-d ... therefore, http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Jan 14 11:23:06 Sicelo: thanks Jan 14 11:23:24 it's a shame that obviously there's no system wide concept for hotkeys at all Jan 14 11:23:35 totally Jan 14 11:23:42 like e.g. found in KDE Jan 14 11:23:54 bad example Jan 14 11:23:56 khotkeys Jan 14 11:23:56 but yeah Jan 14 11:24:10 excellent example Jan 14 11:24:20 except its KDE, so it makes my skin crawl ;) Jan 14 11:25:13 badcloud: not sure if you can actually change the keyboard shortcuts Jan 14 11:25:20 afaik you can just enable or disable them? Jan 14 11:30:26 that sucks Jan 14 11:39:03 yeah Jan 14 11:39:18 ctrl+shift+x might as well have been cltr+shift+a+b+c+d+f+g or whatever Jan 14 12:11:11 I bet it's hardcoded Jan 14 12:13:14 and I think it would actually be a pretty good idea to replace the hardcoded hotkey handling by some augmented function that looks up arbitrary actions for arbitrary hotkey combinations in e.g gconf or a simple config file or whatever Jan 14 12:13:57 if somebody was going to implement that into MHD, I'd love to support the project and push it into CSSU Jan 14 12:15:33 for all I know, standard Qt already has accelerator key support for virtually everything (buttons, menu entries, whatever else) Jan 14 12:18:57 so fixing fremantle Qt and GTK to support it (again) would be a first great step. Then create a tool to let user redefine those per/in-app accelerator keys, plus handle the global hotkeys in MHD and allow to start arbitrary actions on hotkey-combos that aren't already caught by in-app accelerator keys Jan 14 12:20:57 actually looking into the concept used by KDE is a good starting point, though implementation might differ slightly on a code and architecture level Jan 14 12:37:18 ping lxp Jan 14 12:45:02 ping pali Jan 14 12:50:30 * DocScrutinizer moos at freemangordon Jan 14 12:50:57 ...why is that? :) Jan 14 12:51:54 ~lart estel Jan 14 12:51:54 * infobot farts in estel's general direction Jan 14 12:52:11 from arbitrary channel: Jan 14 12:52:15 [2012-01-14 09:45:13] *** Das Thema wurde am 2011-07-25 04:09 von DocScrutinizer!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg gesetzt. Jan 14 12:52:17 [2012-01-14 09:45:16] Hi there, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? Jan 14 12:52:18 [2012-01-14 09:45:26] *** Kanalmodi: +Cn Jan 14 12:52:31 >:-((( Jan 14 12:53:17 * DocScrutinizer heads out to do a 30min duty to clean out the mess estel created Jan 14 13:00:32 WTF?! [2012-01-12 23:40:43] ~onjoin -DocScrutinizer [2012-01-12 23:40:44] Estel_: ok [2012-01-12 23:41:17] ~onjoin -DocScrutinizer [2012-01-12 23:41:17] ok, DocScrutinizer [2012-01-14 13:54:27] onjoin docscrutinizer [2012-01-14 13:54:29] onjoin for docscrutinizer set by estel_ on ***Wed Jan 11 10:24:28 2012***: Hi there, see: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php? Jan 14 13:00:33 p=1148886&postcount=668. Is the proposition of sponsoring server for few months still actual? Jan 14 13:02:49 it's still doing it? Jan 14 13:03:07 yes, on ALL channels I join Jan 14 13:03:13 lol Jan 14 13:03:18 here too? Jan 14 13:03:47 here not :-P Jan 14 13:04:04 only chan it's not posted when I join Jan 14 13:14:36 ShadowJK: [2012-01-14 14:11:16] GvzEvxre: I again suggest to change onjoin cmd to work like: >>onjoin [#chan|_default][:N] [-] [message]<< where N gives number of onjoin actions after which the onjoin is getting deleted. N defaults to 1, 0 measn infinite, and non-privileged users mustn't use :N so it defaults to 1, and also non-privileged users must use [#chan] but may not use _default for it. If there's already a Jan 14 13:14:37 onjoin setting with N!=1 or empty/"_default" #chan then a nonprivileged user mustn't redefine it Jan 14 13:15:44 Robot101, any news on the Jabber SSL thing? Jan 14 13:16:32 fredddd: hmm we could try adding a load more debug and see that way. I think fledermaus wanted to test on an N900 directly Jan 14 13:17:41 DocScrutinizer: doesn't this imply system wide hotkeys? (taken from http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop) /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shift_ctrl (*) Jan 14 13:18:04 "If the value of this key is true, then ctrl-shift-letter combinations are reported on the d-bus, allowing implementation of global shortcut keys. H,N,P,X are reported on the dbus only if the previous key is false." Jan 14 13:18:20 badcloud: there *are* system-wide hotkeys like shift-ctrl-x Jan 14 13:18:37 but there is no coherent system for managing them Jan 14 13:18:38 ooh yeah Jan 14 13:18:38 but they cannot be altered Jan 14 13:18:41 aaah Jan 14 13:18:51 like DocScrutinizer said, they might very well be hardcoded Jan 14 13:18:55 gotcha Jan 14 13:19:03 we'd need a dbus-listener to act on systemwide hotkeys Jan 14 13:19:34 obviously MHD already provides a API for it Jan 14 13:20:53 if however that API is comprehensive to also handle per-app accelerator keys (which are basically just a set of hotkeys specific to that app and onlyget used when app "has focus") - I dunno Jan 14 13:21:59 also seems systemwide hotkeys are restricted to shift-control-[$CAHR] Jan 14 13:22:27 which is a fuckedup key combo Jan 14 13:22:37 Lava_Croft: +1 Jan 14 13:23:24 what do you guys use as a substitute for the tab key btw Jan 14 13:23:25 we should remove that restriction, and rather allow to define arbitrary key [combo] for hotkeys Jan 14 13:23:40 in xchat? shift-space Jan 14 13:23:57 tmux is great Jan 14 13:24:07 DocScrutinizer: does that work for all apps? Jan 14 13:24:19 no, it's a xchat keybinding Jan 14 13:24:25 Macer: yeah, I remember using it a lot too Jan 14 13:24:35 badcloud: i was having problems with screen and decided to swap Jan 14 13:24:37 ctrl-i works in xterm Jan 14 13:24:40 iirc Jan 14 13:24:42 i think i am going to stick with tmux ;) Jan 14 13:24:45 sure Jan 14 13:24:47 screen had oddities on n900 Jan 14 13:24:48 (but I usually use the onscreen key) Jan 14 13:24:55 had/has Jan 14 13:24:56 the ctrl left/right doesn't work in opera :`( Jan 14 13:25:04 screed has oddities everywhere Jan 14 13:25:08 badcloud: you mean to switch windows? Jan 14 13:25:15 or tabs Jan 14 13:25:19 for some reason, especially on embedded devices, screen stops working Jan 14 13:25:25 Lava_Croft: no, move between form entry Jan 14 13:25:26 i never found the underlying cause Jan 14 13:25:30 ah Jan 14 13:25:34 ctrl-left/right is usually bound to word-left/right, for line discipline Jan 14 13:25:36 Macer: same here, decided not to bother Jan 14 13:25:41 i run screen on a remote box, case solved Jan 14 13:25:55 yeah. tha twas my problem. my remote box was an embedded device ;) Jan 14 13:26:03 running the same hw as an n810 Jan 14 13:26:14 hah Jan 14 13:26:18 speaking of n810 i was going to install debian or gentoo on it Jan 14 13:26:20 mine is some german VPS Jan 14 13:26:43 mine is a synology diskstation Jan 14 13:26:49 shift-ctrl-left/right is bound to highlight-word Jan 14 13:26:55 screen would just stop responding and would't reattach even though it was still running Jan 14 13:27:04 i should flash the n810 Jan 14 13:27:11 it has been collecting dust heh Jan 14 13:27:40 I find I accidentally press ctrl-s frequently when using screen on N900 Jan 14 13:27:42 tab/shift-tab is the commonly accepted way to navigate from one input field to next/prev, in any form Jan 14 13:28:24 ShadowJK: i thought that was the problem too but it wasn't Jan 14 13:28:46 even after cleanly detatching... starting a new term.. and attempting a reattach it wouldn't attach Jan 14 13:28:55 DocScrutinizer: but there really isn't a comfortable obtion for tab on the n900, right? Jan 14 13:29:02 it wouldn't happen often but often enough to curse screen heh Jan 14 13:29:09 ctrl-i IS tab Jan 14 13:29:16 either way... tmux is nice Jan 14 13:29:24 i would say if not just as good as sceen, better Jan 14 13:30:00 but this synology is too weak. i think it is the 128MB of ram Jan 14 13:30:05 or rather: tab key is bound to ctrl-i for all usual input Jan 14 13:30:13 i should have just waited and gotten a stronger synology with more ram Jan 14 13:30:37 readline discipline Jan 14 13:30:46 but it does give me the opportunity to install hurd debian on my artigo :) Jan 14 13:30:50 DocScrutinizer: good to know, only this doesn't seem to work in opera Jan 14 13:30:54 it will be interesting to see what has become of hurd Jan 14 13:31:07 well, opera seems to use raw char input Jan 14 13:31:15 s/char/keycode/ Jan 14 13:31:15 DocScrutinizer meant: well, opera seems to use raw keycode input Jan 14 13:31:17 ic Jan 14 13:31:54 doesn't opera even come with proprietary vkbd? Jan 14 13:32:11 yes, without tab iirc Jan 14 13:32:25 then blame opera :-D Jan 14 13:32:40 * badcloud blames Canada Jan 14 13:33:27 if opera doesn't use normal keymap mechanism neither readline discipline, then they *ought* provide a proprietary way to define key mappings Jan 14 13:33:50 yep Jan 14 13:37:47 doesnt opera mobile come with an input.ini Jan 14 13:37:49 that you can edit Jan 14 13:38:52 Lava_Croft: not that I know of Jan 14 13:39:03 (looked in .opera just now) Jan 14 13:39:30 omg it is 16 outside Jan 14 13:40:06 damn. i need a usb optical drive to install hurd debian on this artigo Jan 14 13:40:20 they dont have a thumb drive img :( Jan 14 13:41:48 apart from lack of tab and google being default search engine, I think opera is much better than microb Jan 14 13:42:13 yup Jan 14 13:42:16 endlessly better Jan 14 13:43:32 opera mobile user agent really kicks ass with some sites Jan 14 13:43:49 (I know it can be changed for microb) Jan 14 13:44:27 but I'm not sure those sites work the way they should using microb + different user agent (will try sometime) Jan 14 13:44:47 has anyone tried m.google.com w/microb + alternate user agent? Jan 14 13:47:30 Macer: 16 what? °C? o'clock? dudes shouting up your window? Jan 14 13:48:33 DocScrutinizer: me thinks F Jan 14 13:49:07 ~convert 16 degF to degC Jan 14 13:49:08 16 degF is approximately 8.88889 degC Jan 14 13:49:54 ~convert -7 degC to degF Jan 14 13:49:54 what? no no, what I think he meant is that it's 16F degrees outside Jan 14 13:49:55 -7 degC is approximately -12.6 degF Jan 14 13:50:52 deg* is obsolete Jan 14 13:51:05 ~convert 16 tempF to tempC Jan 14 13:51:06 tempF(16) is approximately -8.88889 tempC Jan 14 13:51:30 s/obsolete/outright buggy/ Jan 14 13:52:40 ~+help convert Jan 14 13:52:41  Desc: Convert from one unit to another Jan 14 13:52:42  Usage: convert [number] to Jan 14 13:52:42 Example: convert 55 tempF to tempC Jan 14 13:52:42 Example: convert 60 mph to kph Jan 14 13:52:42 Example: convert 60 miles per hour to km/hour Jan 14 13:52:43 Example: convert gallons to cm^3 Jan 14 13:54:35 I urged Tim to fix it just 2 weeks ago :-) Jan 14 13:54:52 then I forgot about the new syntax :-P Jan 14 13:55:47 ~botsnack Jan 14 13:55:47 thanks, DocScrutinizer Jan 14 13:55:54 ~seen timriker Jan 14 13:56:01 timriker <~TimRiker@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #ldstech, 2d 13h 30m 41s ago, saying: 'auto-builds work. :) talk to tccastaldo about any details. I've been working on the status page, not made any other big changes. cleaned paths to some of the applets it about all.'. Jan 14 13:57:55 I'm pondering to remove OnJoin=1 from _default - for a temporary hotfix of the onjoin problem, though that's a major surgery on how infobot works Jan 14 13:58:16 might break onjoins others as well as I rely on Jan 14 14:06:19 DocScrutinizer: F ;) Jan 14 14:06:42 we use F here... lol... like heathens Jan 14 14:06:56 i would guess... 3C? Jan 14 14:07:04 i am not good on conversion Jan 14 14:08:43 DocScrutinizer: Hi Doc, perhaps you got a good clarifying answer for me regarding a N9 and contacts? Jan 14 14:09:32 * Macer stares at the topic Jan 14 14:09:55 Yes, I know. Wrong place but nobody has a an answer at #harmattan Jan 14 14:11:38 so do I Jan 14 14:11:59 DocScrutinizer: You are staring at the topic yes? Jan 14 14:12:30 I'm in #harmattan as well, and not the top expert over there Jan 14 15:16:35 http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/13/designer_pitches_tech_trio_powered_by_portable_processor/ Jan 14 15:20:59 moo javispedro Jan 14 15:21:04 moo Jan 14 15:25:40 * javispedro is reinstalling the chinook and diablo SDKs and can confirm they still work with the latest sbox versions Jan 14 15:26:23 \o/ Jan 14 15:26:49 what is more amazing though: they obviously still are available for installation :-D Jan 14 15:27:12 chinook, omg Jan 14 15:38:26 DocScrutinizer: why did ms feel the need to kill the nokia internet tablet? :'( Jan 14 15:39:27 yeah Jan 14 15:39:34 seems to me Nokia didn't need M$ for that Jan 14 15:39:55 * javispedro still thinks that Bora/Chinook had the best UI of all Jan 14 15:39:57 nah, elop did it Jan 14 15:40:26 javispedro: +1 Jan 14 15:42:53 what changed in GUI from chinook to diablo? Jan 14 15:43:16 larger applications menu for example Jan 14 15:43:23 ooh? Jan 14 15:43:44 wel, I used chinook for as long as it takes to reflash ;-D Jan 14 15:43:46 (or task navigator as it was called =) ) Jan 14 15:44:48 definitely diablo had a more sane hw-kbd hotkey integration for GUI than fremantle ever had Jan 14 15:47:47 * DocScrutinizer recalls the "more" icon on "primary" appstarter menu of fremantle PR-pre1.2(?), and wonders wth the GUI designers are smoking whole day to come up with weird concept tweaks every now and then Jan 14 15:48:13 hehe Jan 14 15:48:23 I actually liked that "More" thing Jan 14 15:48:45 i never used them. lol. but for a user coming from S80, the older maemo gui's are more 'natural' Jan 14 15:48:49 I switched to apmefo as the original crap was unbearable Jan 14 15:50:27 now I got my own nicely sorted "more" folders ;-D Jan 14 15:50:50 like "multimedia", "system", "core apps"... Jan 14 15:51:14 hmm, this apmefo works fine? Jan 14 15:51:23 eventually might invent "location" Jan 14 15:52:25 Sicelo: basically yes. The config GUI is abysmal but I need it only once every 3 months. And you MUSTN'T drag icons to reposition them, as you can do in stock applauncher Jan 14 15:52:55 will need you starting apmefo to recover your whole icon/subdir settup Jan 14 15:53:07 i understand Catorize or similar does the same thing .. which is better? Jan 14 15:53:14 apart from that, apmefo is just fine Jan 14 15:53:48 catorize didn't offer your private choice of subdirs, so it was even worse than stock Jan 14 15:54:15 catorize just duplicated the groups as found in HAM Jan 14 15:54:29 and nothing you could change to your liking Jan 14 15:54:32 :-/ Jan 14 15:54:57 gotcha. thanx for info. :) Jan 14 15:55:17 with apmefo though you create your own subdirs and sort icons to as many subdirs as you want to Jan 14 15:55:52 hmm interesting Jan 14 15:56:01 wasn't aware of that Jan 14 15:57:00 only thing I'm missing in apmefo are sub-sub-dirs Jan 14 15:59:23 obviously hildon-desktop/hildon-home isn't aware of apmefo, so if you drag an icon, hildon-* nukes apmefo's setup of the icons and generic subdirs. You need to start and "save" apmefo to re-create everything from apmefo's config stored somewhere else Jan 14 16:00:13 I'd be happy if this were a core function... iirc even S60 devices support this type of sorting Jan 14 16:01:42 * DocScrutinizer idly ponders how apmefo, MHD, and CSSU relate to each other. Maybe get a patch for MHD/H-H into CSSU so it won't mess with apmefo? Jan 14 18:46:07 my visitors are playing wordfeud and here i am with my n900 Jan 14 18:46:35 feeling all left behind, while im looking over my shoulder and wondering whats keeping my friends so long Jan 14 18:46:42 /poetry Jan 14 20:16:04 Samsung will merge bada OS into the Tizen project! Jan 14 20:18:22 what's left? webos? Jan 14 20:18:57 BorgOS Jan 14 20:20:12 maybe Nokia's meltemi could join in too? Jan 14 20:27:12 nokia did not make for a very credible partner with intel, so probably not Jan 14 20:50:03 * SpeedEvil imagines Ubuntu buying nokia. Jan 14 20:50:21 * RST38h imagines AOL buying nokia Jan 14 20:52:40 all the q_q Jan 14 20:54:03 Extrapolating the stock price of nokia over the next year and a half, it falls into the range at which Ubuntu could buy it. :/ Jan 14 20:55:12 netscape :/ Jan 14 20:55:29 suomis should nationalize nokia Jan 14 20:55:38 if it comes to takeovers Jan 14 20:56:44 Hmm. Stock price was last about this low in Feb 1998. Jan 14 20:59:46 nokia survived worse than this Jan 14 20:59:52 company isnt new Jan 14 21:02:21 Well - yes. Jan 14 21:02:40 Speaking personally, I'd like it to do more than what it looks like it's headed for in the next several years. Jan 14 21:03:45 for me, wp7 is just an inbetween solution to keep shareholders happy Jan 14 21:04:02 a bit of sodomy is needed to survive Jan 14 21:05:42 it'd be a solution if it actually sold :/ Jan 14 21:07:14 looks like it need some more time Jan 14 21:07:35 nokia alone can make more different kinds of phones than most of its competitors combined Jan 14 21:07:56 lets just hope they flex their muscle Jan 14 21:08:03 in a focussed way Jan 14 21:08:17 I don't think the strategy of making 19 different models, all with different cripplings, works very well in the long run :) Jan 14 21:09:17 also MS needs to get their shit in order Jan 14 21:09:46 and it has the burden of carrying the ms and windows brand Jan 14 21:09:48 wp7 isnt that bad of a start, but its still ms Jan 14 21:09:53 http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Windows-Phone-7-Trumps-Apple-Android-ExMicrosoft-Exec-118038/ Jan 14 21:10:03 they categorically dont really have their shit together mostly Jan 14 21:10:08 . In November, IT research firm Gartner reported Windows Phone market share slid to 1.5 percent from the 2.7 percent share it secured a year earlier. Even more worrying for Microsoft, it fell behind Samsung's Bada operating system, which captured 2.2 percent of the market in the third quarter. Jan 14 21:10:21 I heard not even something as simple as minesweeper survives if you want to pause and do something else? Jan 14 21:10:48 i heard i heard is stuff thats a bit meh Jan 14 21:11:04 as is all this ms bashing, wp7 bashing and what not Jan 14 21:11:28 just my very humble opinion of course Jan 14 21:11:48 * SpeedEvil wonders if there is any freedom-of-informationable source traking phone sales in the UK. Jan 14 21:12:39 hahaha Jan 14 21:12:43 dreamer:D Jan 14 21:14:36 I think the biggest damage MS did to their windows brand was when Vista got delayed, and then release while still shit. This resulted in people staying with xp for so long, that computer hardware actually caught up and became capable of running XP. Also when skipping Vista entirely, hardware went further and actually started to run xp quickly. So, when MS then forced people on to Windows 7, most normal people had such terrible experiences, both in terms o Jan 14 21:14:42 f user friendliness and performance, that just mentioning windows 7 makes them strangle innocent bystanders :/ Jan 14 21:17:19 ShadowJK: vista wasn't so bad Jan 14 21:17:37 ShadowJK: 7 isn't that much better, but they handled marketing in much better way Jan 14 21:17:50 I still haven't seen a pc able to run Vista decently Jan 14 21:18:00 well, marketing Jan 14 21:18:02 7 seems much better Jan 14 21:18:07 vista will run any pc that runs 7 Jan 14 21:18:25 but not well Jan 14 21:18:35 exactly the same way Jan 14 21:18:48 all they changed is cpu sheduler Jan 14 21:18:56 so system feels faster Jan 14 21:19:03 win7 seems to rape the harddrive less Jan 14 21:19:22 ( UI threads get better response time and stuff ) Jan 14 21:20:29 that's because of automatic defragmentation Jan 14 21:20:42 and changed superfetch settings Jan 14 21:20:50 they didn't really changed any code, Jan 14 21:20:56 more like tweaked settings Jan 14 21:21:50 The end result however is that for a normal user Vista becomes unusable slow in about 4 weeks. It seems vista accumulates a bunch of stuff it wants to do, and then tries to do it all at once on boot? Jan 14 21:22:38 yeah another thing they've added Jan 14 21:22:41 delayed start Jan 14 21:22:45 for services Jan 14 21:23:03 all non critical services are loaded after everything else is started Jan 14 21:23:15 which again, isn't major change but makes it look better Jan 14 21:23:16 Atleast Win7 seems to mostly stop raping hd if you try use the computer Jan 14 21:28:01 it's kinda funny when people with quadcore 4gigarams PCs buy an ipad and are amazed at how it can surf the web so much faster than their expensive PC :D Jan 14 21:28:54 no flash Jan 14 21:29:11 i'm using opera and everything works 10x as fast when i disable flash Jan 14 21:30:39 Well they measure it from pressing power button until pages display, and their PCs are never on long enough for all services/whatever finishing to load Jan 14 21:42:45 it's probably enough to say that on "my" company a few thousand developers are still on XP Jan 14 21:43:20 and it seems we rather might get linux stations than wincrap_recent Jan 14 21:46:48 and DEAR GOD I HATE IT every single day when on my 1280*1024 screen a requester opens size 120*180 with a treeview inside and two scrollbars to see top, bottem and whole lines to find what you search for, and there's NO DAMN WAY to resize that shit Jan 14 21:54:09 working on WinCrap you learn to love your KDE windows/desktop manager, with the nice "decorations" and windows context where you can enforce any arbitrary aspect regarding windows geometry and behaviour on any arbitrary window Jan 14 21:56:14 at $work there's software that refuses to be resized, minimized or maximized Jan 14 21:56:43 if you accidentally click the minimize button it helpfully corrupts its databases Jan 14 21:56:53 (and then crashes) Jan 14 21:57:09 that's some impressively bizzare behavior Jan 14 21:57:15 I wonder how hard they worked to make it do that Jan 14 21:57:22 window too small? PFF, "minimum size", "enforce temporarily" "800 * 600" Jan 14 21:58:06 wmarone__: indeed :-P Jan 14 21:59:07 also it has the X for closing window, but it's so buggy it can't be used. The software company added a "secret" word to type into one of the input boxes though, which causes a clean shutdown Jan 14 21:59:26 print preview had so many side effects they had to disable it Jan 14 22:00:40 now THAT is a top of the pile POS of sw Jan 14 22:01:04 it's quite the masterpiece :) Jan 14 22:25:29 lol... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqEfiy_nguY a video from nokia from october 2011 showing the N900 brainscanner. Jan 14 22:51:19 umm, with H-E-N I guess Jan 14 23:07:19 lol why am i even on this channel Jan 15 00:30:56 hm Jan 15 00:31:07 wtf why can't my server find this properly Jan 15 00:58:46 What's the best way to access rootfs before the device boots (eg: backupmenu)? Jan 15 01:09:01 Ended up just using sed to make the replacements I needed Jan 15 01:09:07 And got /home as ext4 Jan 15 01:27:35 Your question was wrong Jan 15 01:27:46 if you could execute sed the device had booted Jan 15 01:27:48 :P Jan 15 01:28:02 I did it from a terminal within BackupMenu :) Jan 15 01:28:19 I would have used vi, but the annoying battery spam caused issues Jan 15 01:28:59 battery spam? Jan 15 01:29:21 Yeah, when you enter terminal in backupmenu it prints the state of the battery every 30 seconds Jan 15 01:31:22 *sigh* Jan 15 01:31:34 Hm? Jan 15 01:31:51 just sigh Jan 15 01:32:04 Just installing CSSU again :|' Jan 15 01:32:34 AndrewX192, it's easily achievable to disable charging status messages Jan 15 01:32:48 vi_ posted one linet edit in backupmenu thread Jan 15 01:33:01 Yeah, that thread is 100 pages strong Jan 15 01:33:17 sigh for charge.sh printing diagnostics to stdout, sigh for backupmenu using it without taking care about that, and sigh about calling it spam instead of thinking to simply kill the background process and restart it >/dev/null Jan 15 01:33:19 vi (editor, not user - this time) saved my ass few times while experimenting with truecrypt preboot authentication and home encryption Jan 15 01:33:28 one of last few pages Jan 15 01:33:33 if not last at all Jan 15 01:33:54 DocScrutinizer, its one liner fix to redirect output to null Jan 15 01:34:06 Yeah, I guess I could do that Jan 15 01:34:07 Estel_: orly?! Jan 15 01:34:11 I wasn't sure what was causing the output Jan 15 01:34:16 don't be sighing or RST38h will ask You "what have You contributed to backupmenu" :P Jan 15 01:34:30 Estel_: How well has truecrypt been working for you? Jan 15 01:34:37 perfectly well Jan 15 01:34:44 Estel_: performance wise? Jan 15 01:34:49 well, I uploaded it to devel :P Jan 15 01:34:55 tested it just yesterday Jan 15 01:35:01 performance Jan 15 01:35:04 not devel Jan 15 01:35:18 I'm moved optfs to ext4 in hopes of better performance Jan 15 01:35:25 I* Jan 15 01:35:34 well, as encryption is done in memory, and even using 200mhz CPU it got more 'bandwidth" that our flash can handle Jan 15 01:35:38 at least for write Jan 15 01:36:01 it's no performance loss at all, unless You're on 100% cpu usage Jan 15 01:36:17 AndrewX192, ext4 gives performance gain, but You need to set some thing Jan 15 01:36:22 wait, how was it called... Jan 15 01:36:34 wide strip or something (grill me for this something) :P Jan 15 01:36:41 either creating ext4 or via tunefs Jan 15 01:36:47 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext4 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) Jan 15 01:36:59 I'm talking about special support that was added for things with huge erase block size Jan 15 01:37:07 it was added in ext4 Jan 15 01:37:20 Is it supported in the power49 kernel? Jan 15 01:37:29 as we got 256k block that need to be erased before rewrite, this options gain a lotta hell performance Jan 15 01:37:31 I'm not sure how mature ext4 is in kernel-power Jan 15 01:37:40 mature enough as I'm using it Jan 15 01:37:48 For what partitions? Jan 15 01:37:55 You just need to google it's real name cant recall now Jan 15 01:38:12 /dev/mmcblk0p2, easy debian, and one truecrypted Jan 15 01:38:31 I'd like to convert the fat32 MyDocs too Jan 15 01:38:31 basically everything excepts vfats and rootfs Jan 15 01:38:36 hm Jan 15 01:38:41 Because svn checkouts on it fail Jan 15 01:38:55 If You won't miss mass storage under w$ndoze, it's a way to go Jan 15 01:39:02 I won't at all Jan 15 01:39:06 I never use that feature anyway Jan 15 01:39:12 I just scp to my device Jan 15 01:39:20 so I recommend also encrypting it via truecrypt + script to mount it on reboot Jan 15 01:39:33 this way Your photos etc will be encrypted in case of thievery Jan 15 01:39:41 other way is to leave in unencrypted Jan 15 01:39:59 I woulden't mind encrypting /home/user Jan 15 01:40:08 but moving DCIM and other folders of interest to encrypted part and symlinking from non-vfat MyDocs Jan 15 01:40:14 But not /opt, and not some of the folders in /home/user/MyDocs Jan 15 01:40:55 Encrypting my conversations and such would be nice Jan 15 01:40:57 well, considering that sometimes You probably use Your N900 at close-to 100% usage, I would recommend symlinking phonebook, contacts etc Jan 15 01:41:04 instead of encrypting whole user Jan 15 01:41:14 I suppose Jan 15 01:41:19 But I'd have to symlink a lot of files Jan 15 01:41:27 check TrueCrypt thread(s), what is needed for symlinking is listed there Jan 15 01:41:28 or folders, for that matter Jan 15 01:41:33 not so much Jan 15 01:41:39 4 or 5 folders Jan 15 01:41:58 Hm, what about gconf? Jan 15 01:42:04 hm? Jan 15 01:42:08 It's on rootfs Jan 15 01:42:33 do You store photos of girlfriend in bikini under gonf? ;) Jan 15 01:42:49 No, but where would my IM/email passwords be stored? Jan 15 01:43:00 I would hope in /home/user/* Jan 15 01:43:18 good question. I hope not in gconf, anyway, I'm not using modest Jan 15 01:43:22 so can't tell Jan 15 01:43:41 Also, my VPN certs are in /etc/openvpn, but I can easily symlink that Jan 15 01:43:52 i suppose somewhere under user, maybe /home/user/.config? Jan 15 01:44:01 yea Jan 15 01:44:15 well, beside standard ones, You should make list of places Jan 15 01:44:17 I suppose I can just create another partition and start throwing this stuff in there Jan 15 01:44:20 to not forget anything Jan 15 01:44:52 I should encrypt my svn checkouts and what not though Jan 15 01:44:55 yea, partition, and truecrypt it. Yet, be sure to do it properly at first try, i.e. do not change password or keyfiles later Jan 15 01:45:25 due to wear-leveling You would end up with few instances of same header with different masterpassword = aiding cryptoanalysis Jan 15 01:45:43 not that anyone would be able to crack encryption in Jan 15 01:45:51 bbillion years using that, but... Jan 15 01:46:08 it's recommended to not do so on hardware wear-leveled devices ;) Jan 15 01:47:57 Well - assuming you dissasemble the flash - whivh is very tricky Jan 15 01:50:33 exactly. And, two instances aren't still enough even for nsa ;) Jan 15 01:51:16 well, I suppose that if AndrewX192 got contact with UFO, And NSA is interested, it's still unable to crack AES-TWOFISH cascade, even give 10 instances... Jan 15 01:51:38 AndrewX192, btw, don't use serpent, KP lack modules for it Jan 15 01:52:08 for unknown reasons, as NIM101 prepared them for kp47. I must ask Pali, maybe they vanished like cdrom ones again Jan 15 01:54:03 SpeedEvil, but, why would it require to dissasemble flash? Jan 15 01:54:25 just dd'ing whole surface _ empty also - should be enough to analyze it via some software Jan 15 01:55:00 if we dump whole flash surface, we also get old fragments (waiting to be written @) Jan 15 01:56:35 Estel_: umm - no Jan 15 01:56:45 you can't _get_ to the empty blocks. Jan 15 01:56:55 they are not mapped into the block interface. Jan 15 01:57:31 So you either need to find the per-vendor dump commands, or you etch the package away - which will be _real_ fun with back-thinned chips, and probe them Jan 15 02:35:15 anybody else tried running gnome 3 with clutter-egl on n900? Jan 15 02:35:41 not enough ram to work well **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Jan 15 02:59:57 2012