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Jan 18 05:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Jan 18 06:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, that's probably the result of "fixing onjoin"
Jan 18 06:11:39 <merlin1991> lol
Jan 18 06:36:44 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: the real lol is: [2012-01-17 22:44:38] *** ChanServ setzt Modus: +o TimRiker [2012-01-17 22:49:32] *** ChanServ setzt Modus: +o TimRiker  [2012-01-17 22:53:47] *** ChanServ setzt Modus: +o TimRiker
Jan 18 06:37:00 <DocScrutinizer> 50 times the last 10h
Jan 18 06:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> ~+uptime
Jan 18 06:37:38 <infobot> - Uptime for infobot -
Jan 18 06:37:39 <infobot> Now: 8h 53m 34s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux
Jan 18 06:37:39 <infobot> 1: 59d 8h 41m 19s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Sun Nov 14 18:39:57 2010
Jan 18 06:37:39 <infobot> 2: 57d 3h 9m 23s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Fri Jun 26 20:39:27 2009
Jan 18 06:37:39 <infobot> 3: 36d 20h 47m 14s running infobot 1.5.4 (SVN) -- linux, ended Tue Aug  4 17:38:59 2009
Jan 18 06:38:28 <DocScrutinizer> before somebody ponders "testing" though: please don't, the "problem" is not yet "fixed"
Jan 18 08:34:11 <MohammadAG> trumee: Really? Thought they all forgot about me :p
Jan 18 08:48:56 <ruskie> hmm anyone know if it's possible to use the normal camera on the n900 as a webcam?
Jan 18 08:49:09 <ruskie> or for jingle video calls atleast
Jan 18 09:31:31 <MohammadAG> ~ping
Jan 18 09:31:31 <infobot> ~pong
Jan 18 09:49:50 <Coke> Maemo's running on the N9 right? I'm trying to open a terminal, for that I need something called developer mode. I try to turn it on, it prompts me to install something, I say yes and then it says cancelled, installation interrupted, try again? and on it goes
Jan 18 09:49:59 <Coke> I guess my short question is: how do I get a terminal?
Jan 18 09:50:15 <Coke> the terminal is the single most important application on my phone, more important than the actual phone function.
Jan 18 09:51:03 <Coke> developer-mode installation interrupted.
Jan 18 09:52:11 <Coke> is there a way to get the old/proper maemo on this or make it do what the N900 did out of the box?
Jan 18 09:55:55 <Corsac> topic
Jan 18 09:57:51 <Coke> thanks
Jan 18 10:04:47 <crashanddie> so, is there any phone that could match the n950? Or the n900 for that matter, but with a fresher OS and hardware?
Jan 18 10:05:31 <crashanddie> I still have my amsterdam n900, but it just feels sluggish
Jan 18 10:08:47 <petteri> Coke: remember reading that someone could not install develpor mode with wifi, maybe try with 3g
Jan 18 10:09:50 <petteri> sorry, wrong channel
Jan 18 12:21:16 <[DarkGUNMAN]> Is there a version of DirectFB that can be implemented for maemo in order to run PhoneME Advanced?
Jan 18 12:23:29 <[DarkGUNMAN]> The maintainer of the linux arm build might be able to do an X11 version but that might never happen, so I thought I'd see if Directfb could be implemented to meet this version of PhoneMe's dependancies
Jan 18 12:28:11 <ShadowJK> just the name DirectFB makes it sound like something that's incompatible with everything else
Jan 18 12:40:19 <jonwil> I am not a GPU expert but I bet a DirectFB implementation on the N900/N950/N9 would require information about the PowerVR GPU in the phones that the community does not have
Jan 18 12:56:54 <fizzie> Unless I misremember, DirectFB itself can run on top of SDL or X11, though maybe not well, and certainly not very acceleratedly.
Jan 18 12:59:22 <hiemanshu> but why would anyone want to run an OS written using Java? we already have android and dalvik
Jan 18 12:59:51 <ShadowJK> i'm not sure I'd call it java
Jan 18 12:59:53 <ShadowJK> uh
Jan 18 13:00:02 <ShadowJK> I mean: I'm not sure I'd call it an os
Jan 18 13:01:05 <ShadowJK> A couple of years ago the biggest reason to want java me was to run Opera
Jan 18 13:01:11 <ShadowJK> But now there's native port :)
Jan 18 13:04:15 <jonwil> I seriously doubt there is anything written in JavaME that is worth running on Maemo
Jan 18 13:04:42 <ShadowJK> The sims!
Jan 18 13:05:47 <ShadowJK> does opera mini still exist? it'd be neat on N8x0 I'd think
Jan 18 13:11:44 <auenf> why?
Jan 18 13:12:00 <auenf> opera mobile has turbo mode, which was the main feature of mini?
Jan 18 13:32:15 <[DarkGUNMAN]> yep.. opera mini still exists. currently can only be run through microemulator on top of javaSE, hence the reason I'd like to get PhoneME working.
Jan 18 13:33:40 <[DarkGUNMAN]> builds for linux arm are available at http://davy.preuveneers.be/phoneme
Jan 18 13:34:44 <[DarkGUNMAN]> phoneme feature cldc appears to work but I don't know the command line to test operamini
Jan 18 13:35:07 <[DarkGUNMAN]> phoneme feature needs directfb. contacted the maintainer to see if aything coould be done.
Jan 18 13:35:47 <[DarkGUNMAN]> sorry that should be phoneme advancedgetting directfb to run on maemo might be a better option
Jan 18 13:37:22 <[DarkGUNMAN]> worth posting in TMO for ideas?
Jan 18 14:02:15 <Macer> so.. did sopa pass yet?
Jan 18 14:02:16 <Macer> lol
Jan 18 14:02:36 <Macer> nokia is going to shut down sites that say "maemo"
Jan 18 14:02:58 <Macer> or sites that were not allowed in writing to use their logo 
Jan 18 14:10:51 <Macer> sopa is great
Jan 18 14:11:08 <Macer> now 99% of the internet will simply encrypt end to end
Jan 18 14:11:39 <chem|st> Macer: that would be awesome but I doubt it
Jan 18 14:11:45 <Macer> i don't
Jan 18 14:12:06 <Macer> it is like dvd encryption.. it will have little or no effect because in a day people will find a way around anything they do
Jan 18 14:12:23 <Macer> and i mean seriously.. are these producers and actors and actresses starving to death?
Jan 18 14:12:34 <chem|st> lol nope
Jan 18 14:12:49 <Macer> i mean.. did they have to get like.. grade b steak or something? :)
Jan 18 14:13:02 <Macer> i am reminded of the south park episode about downloading mp3s
Jan 18 14:13:12 <Macer> where Master P's son couldn't get the island he wanted
Jan 18 14:13:15 <chem|st> most do not even know how much the steak from last night was...
Jan 18 14:14:08 <Macer> but i mean... whenever they take these extreme measures it always backfires.. i said it earlier.. they are only provoking something to be released that is single click full end to end encryption
Jan 18 14:14:33 <chem|st> its like streisand-effect
Jan 18 14:14:38 <Macer> and the creation of a fully encrypted sub-internet
Jan 18 14:14:52 <Macer> with its own public p2p encrypted dns system 
Jan 18 14:15:14 <Macer> they can't blame the isp since it will be wall to wall.. and they can't inspect encrypted pkts
Jan 18 14:15:44 <chem|st> should setup a concentrator right now!
Jan 18 14:16:02 <Macer> yeah.. better get tor going before the lamers block the tor site
Jan 18 14:16:06 <Macer> lol
Jan 18 14:16:34 <Macer> i honestly want to set up tor.. i used it once and it was laggy.. but probably because it goes through some pretty crappy connections
Jan 18 14:16:47 <chem|st> same here
Jan 18 14:16:53 <Macer> it's an awesome idea tho
Jan 18 14:17:03 <Macer> i mean if everybody jumped on board with it .. it would work quite well
Jan 18 14:17:12 <Macer> but the configuration can be a bit of a pain
Jan 18 14:17:13 <chem|st> onion and tor are awesome ideas
Jan 18 14:17:30 <Macer> yeah.. i will set it up on friday and start preparing things 
Jan 18 14:17:35 <Gh0sty> my biggest problem with them ... 
Jan 18 14:17:53 <Macer> Gh0sty: poor route selection? :)
Jan 18 14:17:59 <chem|st> setting it up remotely and having remote access to my host is a pain...
Jan 18 14:18:14 <Macer> setting it up at all is a pain.. from teh server side
Jan 18 14:18:16 <Gh0sty> no ... that I cannot be held responsible for traffic comming from my network doing illegal stuff
Jan 18 14:18:18 <Macer> if you wanted to tor ssh or whatever
Jan 18 14:18:30 <Gh0sty> since other route their 'obscure traffic' through my node
Jan 18 14:18:35 <Macer> Gh0sty: exactly
Jan 18 14:18:41 <Macer> it is unenforcable
Jan 18 14:18:48 <Macer> they are probably just mainly targeting the big targets
Jan 18 14:18:53 <Macer> like piratebay and demonoid
Jan 18 14:19:02 <Macer> newzbin... etc
Jan 18 14:19:13 <Macer> all news servers are gone :)
Jan 18 14:19:30 <chem|st> already?
Jan 18 14:19:36 <Macer> no not yet
Jan 18 14:19:46 <Macer> it still has to pass.. and then the cases would have to go to court
Jan 18 14:20:04 <chem|st> we should fork as much as possible
Jan 18 14:20:08 <Macer> so now US citizens have to pay tax dollars in an already bad economy for an overabundance of court cases
Jan 18 14:20:33 <Macer> beceause once it opens it is going to be non-stop law suit after law suit.. like the patent crap going on
Jan 18 14:20:38 <crashanddie> how is that different from any time before?
Jan 18 14:20:41 <Macer> except on a much larger scale
Jan 18 14:20:49 <crashanddie> The US has always been about stupid court cases
Jan 18 14:20:54 <crashanddie> Even when there's no one around to pay for it
Jan 18 14:21:00 <Macer> hahah.. yeah.. i guess that is a fair point
Jan 18 14:21:10 <Macer> but it is just going to be out of hand
Jan 18 14:21:15 <Macer> way worse than it already is
Jan 18 14:21:30 <Macer> people are going to be suing for minute pictures that may or may not be on a website
Jan 18 14:21:59 <Macer> it will take months and tons of court hearings to even determine if said picture was on the site.. then more months and hearings to figure out if they infringed.. etc
Jan 18 14:22:04 <crashanddie> Gh0sty, simply don't be an output node
Jan 18 14:22:39 <Macer> crashanddie: yeah... just let him be a leech lol
Jan 18 14:22:48 <crashanddie> sorry?
Jan 18 14:22:59 <crashanddie> Darknets aren't about leeching
Jan 18 14:23:12 <Macer> heh. i was joking
Jan 18 14:23:20 <Macer> is there a chrome plugin for tor?
Jan 18 14:23:30 <crashanddie> why would you need a plugin?
Jan 18 14:23:33 <crashanddie> Just use it as a proxy
Jan 18 14:23:45 <Macer> it has been a long time since i have used it
Jan 18 14:23:49 <Veggen> well, neither are filesharing, necessarily. Tons of torrents are distributed with perfectly legal downloadable material.
Jan 18 14:24:17 <Macer> Veggen: and torrent pkts are encrypted already anyways
Jan 18 14:24:52 <Macer> crashanddie: can you set the bandwidth limit if you are a node?
Jan 18 14:25:15 <Macer> it would be nice if it could kind of work p2p where it threads data through multiple nodes and reconstructs it
Jan 18 14:25:34 <Macer> so you don't feel like you are proxied through some ethopian's 56K modem
Jan 18 14:26:04 <crashanddie> Macer, of course
Jan 18 14:26:22 <crashanddie> Macer, I run 3 i2p nodes, 2 of those are permanent routes only
Jan 18 14:26:57 <crashanddie> meaning, they don't consume any data, they just provide anonymity for others
Jan 18 14:28:58 <MohammadAG> Good news, I found my lost N900
Jan 18 14:29:00 <MohammadAG> Bad news, it was what made the car seat slide so easily
Jan 18 14:29:21 <Macer> lol!
Jan 18 14:29:30 <Macer> those nokia phone tracks were well built :)
Jan 18 14:29:41 <Macer> like silk
Jan 18 14:29:44 <MohammadAG> the battery cover is a wreck
Jan 18 14:29:51 <Macer> is that all?
Jan 18 14:29:56 <MohammadAG> the rest  is intact
Jan 18 14:30:04 <MohammadAG> yep, it was lying on the screen
Jan 18 14:30:04 <Macer> you have a spare?
Jan 18 14:30:13 <MohammadAG> the DDP one
Jan 18 14:30:19 <Macer> ouch
Jan 18 14:30:31 <Macer> i was about to say. i have a spare battery cover if you need one but it is an original one
Jan 18 14:31:23 <MohammadAG> this is the second battery cover :P
Jan 18 14:31:30 <Macer> lol
Jan 18 14:31:39 <Macer> well quit breaking them :)
Jan 18 14:31:52 <Macer> at least the screen didn't get gouged
Jan 18 14:33:06 <chem|st> http://www.streamcomputing.eu/blog/2011-06-22/opencl-vs-cuda-misconceptions/
Jan 18 14:33:22 <MohammadAG> yeah, if it was top-up the screen would've been damaged totally
Jan 18 14:33:29 <MohammadAG> this is a car seat that's been slid at least 20 times
Jan 18 14:33:47 <MohammadAG> actually the battery cover isn't that bad either
Jan 18 14:34:03 <MohammadAG> the kickstand/camera chrome is what's f'd
Jan 18 14:35:23 <MohammadAG> the slider mech is tight as hell
Jan 18 14:35:32 <MohammadAG> feels good
Jan 18 14:45:20 <MohammadAG> hmm, I see about 3 pages of the CSSU thread are about me...
Jan 18 14:46:32 <andre__> MohammadAG: and your conclusion after reading that is...?
Jan 18 14:47:36 <MohammadAG> andre__, I went MIA when I shouldn't have
Jan 18 14:48:28 <andre__> MohammadAG, question is how to avoid the same problems if that happens again. e.g. sharing responsibility.
Jan 18 14:48:51 <MohammadAG> andre__, it won't happen again
Jan 18 14:48:51 <andre__> ...and I ask you for the sake of the CSSU project to really consider that.
Jan 18 14:49:01 <MohammadAG> but yes, I'll have a backup option
Jan 18 14:49:51 <andre__> MohammadAG, I understand how you mean "it won't happen again", but it's really not you deciding when a bus hits you ;-)
Jan 18 14:50:41 <andre__> MohammadAG: there's enough external reasons. I remember a project dying because the maintainer had to take (long time) care of sick family members
Jan 18 14:51:24 <andre__> so thanks for planning to share the responsibility. and crossing fingers that you'll actually do it soon.
Jan 18 14:55:05 <[DarkGUNMAN]> quick question, can anyone enable directfb for maemo in order to try phoneme advanced?
Jan 18 14:55:26 <[DarkGUNMAN]> error message i get when trying cldc:
Jan 18 14:56:14 <[DarkGUNMAN]> bin/cvm: error while loading shared libraries: libdirectfb-1.2.so.9: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
Jan 18 15:01:29 <[DarkGUNMAN]> thought i'd ask here first incase there was anything worth adding to an existing thread or staring one new on tmo
Jan 18 15:04:04 <fredrin> ruskie, yes
Jan 18 17:26:07 <damagedspline> hi, a question regarding the Extras-Assistant... i uploaded waze sources, but nothing happens. it looks its been building it since December. http://maemo.org/packages/view/waze/
Jan 18 17:28:23 <merlin1991> damagedspline: when did you upload?
Jan 18 17:28:47 <merlin1991> also did you upload version 0.0.4?
Jan 18 17:29:32 <merlin1991> because that build failed on the 20.12.2011 (see https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/waze_0.0.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt )
Jan 18 17:42:33 <damagedspline> merlin1991: i uploaded v0.0.4 last month. i didnt work so i let it be
Jan 18 17:42:48 <damagedspline> now i retried with the new version
Jan 18 17:43:21 <damagedspline> anyway, now its v0.0.5
Jan 18 17:44:13 <damagedspline> if u look at the link i sent before u see that the build from last month is still running
Jan 18 17:44:35 <damagedspline> it might be the reason why it wont accept the new sources
Jan 18 17:59:50 <MohammadAG> gnome shell ftw
Jan 18 18:00:03 <MohammadAG> well, compared with unity anyway
Jan 18 18:00:05 <MohammadAG> damagedspline, ohai
Jan 18 18:12:18 <damagedspline> hi MAG
Jan 18 18:13:16 <damagedspline> i'm trying to deal with the extras-assistant...
Jan 18 18:15:52 <MohammadAG> damagedspline, uploaded 0.0.5?
Jan 18 18:16:03 <RST38h> Moo,MOhammad
Jan 18 18:16:25 <MohammadAG> it says build failed
Jan 18 18:16:25 <MohammadAG> moo RST38h 
Jan 18 18:17:20 <damagedspline> v0.0.4 is still building since december
Jan 18 18:17:55 <damagedspline> mag, see the last status @ http://maemo.org/packages/view/waze/
Jan 18 18:18:45 <damagedspline> i tried uploading the new sources for v0.0.5 but it wouldnt let me
Jan 18 18:19:46 <damagedspline> upload completed succesfuly, but adding to queue button does not add to queue
Jan 18 18:19:56 <damagedspline> confusing :)
Jan 18 18:23:26 <MohammadAG> use dput :p
Jan 18 18:23:38 <MohammadAG> It says building then build failed
Jan 18 18:23:43 <MohammadAG> it can't be stuck that long
Jan 18 18:25:18 <damagedspline> MohammadAG, who know, maybe i broke record for longest maemo build ever :)
Jan 18 18:25:34 <MohammadAG> it says build failed right before building
Jan 18 18:25:36 <MohammadAG> same minute
Jan 18 18:25:44 <MohammadAG> submit 0.0.5 again and wait
Jan 18 18:26:44 <damagedspline> MohammadAG, the logs u sent were of v0.0.4 from last month...
Jan 18 18:26:55 <damagedspline> i'll try upload agian
Jan 18 18:33:23 <damagedspline> MohammadAG, files moved to autobuilder queue yet they are no there...
Jan 18 18:34:23 <damagedspline> u can verify it by looking at the cauldron threads, no waze build in january
Jan 18 18:35:27 <damagedspline> MohammadAG, anyhow, my time is up for today.... ttl
Jan 18 18:47:49 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, can you check that for him ^?
Jan 18 19:31:48 <crashanddie> sup MohammadAG 
Jan 18 19:32:16 <Wizzup> Is maemo participating in SOPA stuff or is it just down?
Jan 18 19:32:20 <Wizzup> (maemo.org)
Jan 18 19:32:30 <MohammadAG> nothing much crashanddie, just uni I guess :/
Jan 18 19:32:48 <mgedmin> does it return 503 or something else?
Jan 18 19:33:10 <crashanddie> Wizzup, not down here
Jan 18 19:33:19 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, what about all the projects?
Jan 18 19:33:23 <crashanddie> How are those coming along?
Jan 18 19:33:40 <Wizzup> crashanddie: blank page
Jan 18 19:33:49 <Wizzup> http://maemo.org
Jan 18 19:34:08 <crashanddie> Wizzup, well, works from here :) maybe SOPA was a bit more effective than planned?
Jan 18 19:34:10 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, not that good sadly
Jan 18 19:34:18 <MohammadAG> apparently time is a bit scarce when you have uni
Jan 18 19:34:36 <MohammadAG> get me a job and I'll take a break after this year's uni
Jan 18 19:35:51 <crashanddie> well
Jan 18 19:35:59 <crashanddie> I might be starting my own company next year
Jan 18 19:36:23 <MohammadAG> VoIP?
Jan 18 19:36:37 <crashanddie> Yes and no
Jan 18 19:36:42 <crashanddie> I'm writing an application server
Jan 18 19:37:23 <crashanddie> The main binary is extremely small, maybe 300 or 400kB
Jan 18 19:37:33 <crashanddie> but it loads modules, each module provides features
Jan 18 19:37:55 <MohammadAG> sounds interesting
Jan 18 19:37:58 <crashanddie> one provides basic network, another uses that one to provide TCP, then another one uses that to provide HTTP
Jan 18 19:38:11 <crashanddie> I'm able to have multiple module versions loaded into memory at the same time
Jan 18 19:38:19 <crashanddie> and thus, update the binaries while the app is running
Jan 18 19:39:01 <crashanddie> Full Boost support, C++0x-enabled, automake, autoconf, doxygen and fully UML-documented.
Jan 18 19:39:19 <MohammadAG> wait, you're done with this?
Jan 18 19:39:20 <crashanddie> Modules can be written either in C++ or Python, both languages have an API available
Jan 18 19:39:29 <crashanddie> Yeah, not far from it.
Jan 18 19:39:41 <crashanddie> Module management is done, I'm just writing modules
Jan 18 19:39:52 <crashanddie> Am able to handle voip calls, and have a web interface for configuration
Jan 18 19:40:46 <crashanddie> Using loads of design patterns, polymorphism is king, really good fun stuff.
Jan 18 19:41:15 <crashanddie> Oh, and also unit testing and everything that goes with it
Jan 18 19:41:20 <crashanddie> so just make -j4 check
Jan 18 19:41:29 <crashanddie> and I get a report to tell me what works and what doesn't.
Jan 18 19:41:51 <crashanddie> I've applied test-driven development, meaning I write the unit test before the class :P
Jan 18 19:42:26 <crashanddie> which is quite the change from my extreme-developer habits
Jan 18 19:42:59 <crashanddie> So I'm just going to see how this goes, and I might sprout a company to sell support for it
Jan 18 19:44:25 <crashanddie> Current list of features: module validation: A new module that hasn't been validated gets spawned into a new process, and gets tested for robustness. All kinds of shit is thrown at all the methods and functions, and we try to make it crash
Jan 18 19:45:18 <crashanddie> If it holds up, it's loaded into whatever context it needs to be loaded: A module can either have its own thread, its own process, or simply time share the main binary's thread.
Jan 18 19:46:24 <crashanddie> IPC is implemented through zeromq, which means that it supports clustering over different servers or VMs
Jan 18 19:46:43 <crashanddie> Roadmap includes EC2 support, so an instance can load up its own EC2 VMs when required
Jan 18 19:47:29 <crashanddie> internal communications is handled over google's protocol buffers
Jan 18 19:48:35 <crashanddie> persistence can be handled either through mysql or mongodb
Jan 18 19:48:43 <crashanddie> etc
Jan 18 19:49:00 <crashanddie> Basically, I'm writing a contender to J2EE.
Jan 18 19:50:45 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, so yeah, if it takes off, you definitely get to be my office bitch :P
Jan 18 19:52:06 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, that sounds awesome :D
Jan 18 19:52:20 <MohammadAG> the part before the last sentence, I'm not sure if that's good :P
Jan 18 19:52:36 <crashanddie> No no, I have my quote.
Jan 18 19:52:37 <crashanddie> [20:49:29] <crashanddie> MohammadAG, so yeah, if it takes off, you definitely get to be my office bitch :P
Jan 18 19:52:37 <crashanddie> [20:50:51] <MohammadAG> crashanddie, that sounds awesome :D
Jan 18 19:52:40 <crashanddie> Thank you very much.
Jan 18 19:53:10 * crashanddie ponders vandalising the /topic
Jan 18 19:54:28 <MohammadAG> lmfao
Jan 18 19:56:49 <crashanddie> anyway
Jan 18 19:56:51 <crashanddie> going home
Jan 18 19:57:01 <crashanddie> I'll send you a link when I release publicly, MohammadAG 
Jan 18 19:57:07 <MohammadAG> thanks for the kind(?) words crashanddie :P
Jan 18 19:57:18 <crashanddie> Probably some time this summer will be my first public release
Jan 18 19:57:20 * MohammadAG updates his facebook details to Office bitch at crashanddie's
Jan 18 19:57:39 <crashanddie> I doubt that'll be the name of the company
Jan 18 19:57:51 <crashanddie> But I'll give you business cards with that name on it :P
Jan 18 19:57:52 <MohammadAG> crashanddie's fries rhymes
Jan 18 19:58:01 <MohammadAG> idk why I thought of that
Jan 18 19:58:09 <crashanddie> probably my belgian side showing
Jan 18 19:58:13 <crashanddie> (fries, and all)
Jan 18 19:58:19 <MohammadAG> lol
Jan 18 20:00:58 * DocScrutinizer feels hungry now
Jan 18 20:08:43 <crashanddie> anyway
Jan 18 20:08:46 <crashanddie> leaving the office
Jan 18 20:08:47 <crashanddie> later all
Jan 18 20:24:33 <jonne> so my phone seems stuck on applying the new cssu
Jan 18 20:24:45 <jonne> can't even turn it off
Jan 18 20:25:03 <jonne> what should i do?
Jan 18 20:25:34 <jonne> strangely the screen turns off and on fine when i open the keyboard or use the switch on the side
Jan 18 20:25:37 <mgedmin> you ought to be able to turn it off by holding down power for a long time, but if you do that (or pull the battery) in the middle of an update, I'd be afraid it won't boot
Jan 18 20:25:56 <jonne> which it usually doesn't do quite as well under load
Jan 18 20:25:58 * mgedmin nevers installed the cssu in fear something might break...
Jan 18 20:26:24 <jonne> is there a way to get to tty1 without using the terminal application?
Jan 18 20:27:18 <mgedmin> you can't get to tty1 even with the terminal app
Jan 18 20:27:25 <mgedmin> do you have openssh on it?  is it online?
Jan 18 20:27:34 <jonne> no, can't even ping it
Jan 18 20:27:53 <jonne> screen says it's connected, but it's frozen
Jan 18 20:28:14 <mgedmin> well, pinging my n900 was never exactly reliable...
Jan 18 20:28:18 <jonne> the screen is frozen, but it seems like it should still react to keyboard commands
Jan 18 20:28:20 <mgedmin> due to wifi power savings modes or whatever
Jan 18 20:28:33 <mgedmin> wish I had any familiarity with the CSSU and could help you
Jan 18 20:28:41 <jonne> ssh is pretty reliable when it's working
Jan 18 20:28:45 <mgedmin> give it some more time just in case, then pull the battery?
Jan 18 20:28:55 <mgedmin> lucky you with your good access point :)
Jan 18 20:29:15 <jonne> tomato firmware, baby :p
Jan 18 20:29:23 <jonne> i'll try and hold the power button for like 30 seconds, then pull battery and hope for the best
Jan 18 20:30:11 <mgedmin> worst case, you can always reflash
Jan 18 20:30:43 * mgedmin has openwrt backfire on his ap/router, his n9 still ignores the first 20 or so pings -- seems to be checking for ARP requests infrequently?
Jan 18 20:32:24 <jonne> how is the n9, btw? I want it so bad but i'm waiting for the white one to come out here
Jan 18 20:32:58 <jonne> screen seems to have changed a bit, maybe i should let it sit for a while before pulling the battery
Jan 18 20:38:53 <ruskie> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uub0z8wJfhU
Jan 18 20:42:04 <mgedmin> the n9 is the best thing ever created on this Earth
Jan 18 20:42:10 <mgedmin> (it has its own problems, of course)
Jan 18 20:46:14 <frals> jonne: where is "here"? afaiu white is not coming to all regions n9 is released in
Jan 18 20:46:37 <frals> mgedmin: im totally quoting you on that
Jan 18 20:46:48 <mgedmin> feel free
Jan 18 20:48:21 <mgedmin> very rarely a piece of hardware evokes spontaneous ♥ feelings in me
Jan 18 20:49:36 <RST38h> What are x?Y feelings?
Jan 18 20:50:16 <frals> RST38h: heart symbol
Jan 18 20:50:21 <RST38h> ah
Jan 18 20:50:37 * RST38h sees funny stuff in IRCII
Jan 18 20:51:05 <RST38h> mgedmin: You should try Lumia 800! Makes for a nice inversion of the heart symbol.
Jan 18 20:51:57 <mgedmin> RST38h, set up UTF-8, come live with us in the 21st century
Jan 18 20:52:42 <mgedmin> Nokia sent me an email offering a developer Lumia 800.  I couldn't come up with any use for it, so I ignored it.
Jan 18 20:54:22 <jonne> frals : Belgium
Jan 18 20:54:50 <jonne> I asked the Nokia twitter account for Belgium if they knew when/if it ever comes out here, and they didn't know
Jan 18 20:55:36 <jonne> if it doesn't come out in like a month or 2 i'll just get the black one then, hopefully the price will have dropped a bit too
Jan 18 20:55:54 * jonne pulls out the battery
Jan 18 20:55:57 <frals> jonne: Hmm, is the Lumia being advertised there?
Jan 18 20:56:29 <jonne> i'm pretty successful at avoiding ads in general, I don't know, tbh
Jan 18 20:56:41 <jonne> they're doing a launch event in a few days
Jan 18 20:56:52 <Pali> ping lxp1
Jan 18 20:56:56 <jonne> but i don't want WP7, I'd rather get android
Jan 18 20:57:11 <jonne> or maybe samsung's new bada/tizen thing
Jan 18 20:57:34 <frals> just asking because it might affect wether or not the white n9 would be sold
Jan 18 20:58:34 <jonne> yeah, i'm waiting a few months either way, i'm low on cash right now after traveling
Jan 18 20:59:03 <jonne> €600 ain't nothing
Jan 18 20:59:32 <Corsac> the white n9 is supposed to arrive for christmas, isn't it?
Jan 18 20:59:51 <jonne> i know it's been out in finland for a while
Jan 18 20:59:59 <jonne> don't know about anywhere else
Jan 18 21:00:16 <jonne> couldn't find a decent overview anywhere
Jan 18 21:00:25 <jonne> phone seems to boot ok
Jan 18 21:01:13 <RST38h> CSSU!
Jan 18 21:01:37 <jonne> it hung my phone while updating, RST38h be careful
Jan 18 21:01:45 <jonne> still finding out if anything broke
Jan 18 21:01:52 <RST38h> mgedmin: I accepted. Now waiting for someone to jailbreak it.
Jan 18 21:02:13 <RST38h> mgedmin: It is pretty dismal, even compared to supposedly "dead" Harmattan
Jan 18 21:02:34 <RST38h> gconftool-2: I've been haxored to use xml::/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.defaults as the config source.
Jan 18 21:02:36 <RST38h> hmmmm
Jan 18 21:03:00 <mgedmin> RST38h, s/dead/murdered/
Jan 18 21:03:16 <RST38h> mgedmin: still dead, at the end =(
Jan 18 21:03:42 <RST38h> mgedmin: It is especially cute how Harmattan Ovi has more useful apps than WP7 app store
Jan 18 21:03:45 <mgedmin> although releases are still coming out (PR1.1, the upcoming PR1.2)... zombie?
Jan 18 21:04:00 <mgedmin> Tizen has more market share than WP7, thanks to the Bada merger ;)
Jan 18 21:04:06 <RST38h> more like guerilla warfare from within Nokia, from the looks of it
Jan 18 21:04:20 <merlin1991> RST38h: cssu what?
Jan 18 21:04:25 <RST38h> I mean, some bright light at marketing came up with the "Lumia" name...
Jan 18 21:04:26 <jonne> cssu update seems to have been successful, despite it hanging in the middle of the process
Jan 18 22:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> hey, maemo.org big void??
Jan 18 22:31:13 <DocScrutinizer> could somebody see if there's *anything on http://maemo.org ?
Jan 18 22:31:27 <merlin1991> big void indeed
Jan 18 22:31:30 <Pali> white screen
Jan 18 22:31:36 <merlin1991> tmo is up though
Jan 18 22:31:49 <DocScrutinizer> pff, tmo is another box
Jan 18 22:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> another IP
Jan 18 22:31:59 <DocScrutinizer> another ifra
Jan 18 22:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> infra even
Jan 18 22:32:18 <merlin1991> but it's nearly seamless integrated ;)
Jan 18 22:32:28 <DocScrutinizer> dunno about wiki.maemo.org, which seems ok'ish
Jan 18 22:32:43 <merlin1991> wiki is up too
Jan 18 22:33:02 * merlin1991 starts ragewar about maemo.org downtime
Jan 18 22:33:28 * DocScrutinizer YAWNS
Jan 18 22:36:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiVFfOOm_GI
Jan 18 22:44:15 <DocScrutinizer> and for more loonatic audience: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xTynHGqxcQ&feature=related
Jan 18 22:49:37 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYgf0HL_5mQ&feature=related  and good night :-D
Jan 18 23:01:07 <DocScrutinizer> a last one (my generation's version)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZlir45ZAyc
Jan 19 01:19:21 <AndrewX192> My N900 comes up with an unstyled theme without proper fonts when I switched my /home/user/MyDocs over to ext4 (after modifying mmc-mount & oss-mmc-mount), any ideas?
Jan 19 01:23:04 <AndrewX192> When I switch MyDocs back to fat32 it works fine
Jan 19 01:34:13 <KrayonWORK> AndrewX192: They are probably referencing files that contain CaMeL case, as all upper/lowercase or something similar.
Jan 19 01:37:57 <AndrewX192> KrayonWORK: Any idea what files?
Jan 19 01:38:16 <AndrewX192> Even the bootup PIN lock screen is just a bunch of boxes on a grey
Jan 19 01:39:22 <AndrewX192> And I thought MyDocs wasn't required to boot normally
Jan 19 01:39:32 <SpeedEvil> It wasn't.
Jan 19 01:39:33 <AndrewX192> Since it's exported when in mass storage mode
Jan 19 01:39:34 <SpeedEvil> It now is.
Jan 19 01:39:40 <AndrewX192> Oh?
Jan 19 01:39:47 <SpeedEvil> Mydocs isn't required to boot
Jan 19 01:39:52 <SpeedEvil>  /opt is
Jan 19 01:39:58 <AndrewX192> Yes
Jan 19 01:40:01 <AndrewX192> I am talking about MyDocs
Jan 19 01:40:07 <SpeedEvil> oh - I diddn't read back
Jan 19 01:40:09 <AndrewX192> I already converted /home & /opt
Jan 19 01:40:18 <KrayonWORK> AndrewX192: No no idea, I'm just speculating.  The trouble is it may be somewhat difficult to find out.
Jan 19 01:40:19 <SpeedEvil> the problem is presumably the mount scripts getting confused
Jan 19 01:40:20 <AndrewX192> They are working fine
Jan 19 01:40:25 <SpeedEvil> and not mounting /opt
Jan 19 01:40:29 <AndrewX192> oo
Jan 19 01:40:55 <SpeedEvil> That sounds very like the failures that get reported when the emmc fails, and /opt doesn't load because of that
Jan 19 01:40:56 <AndrewX192> So basically one mistake in my scripts causes all of /opt AND /home/user to be gone
Jan 19 01:41:02 <AndrewX192> Now that makes sense
Jan 19 01:41:12 <SpeedEvil> Or bugs in the existing mount scripts that you trigger.
Jan 19 01:41:15 <AndrewX192> Yay, debugging this is going to suck
Jan 19 01:41:36 <AndrewX192> I hacked my rcS init script to get me a shell though
Jan 19 01:41:42 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jan 19 01:41:49 <SpeedEvil> ver ssh?
Jan 19 01:41:52 <AndrewX192> And I have BackupMenu
Jan 19 01:41:57 <AndrewX192> No
Jan 19 01:42:04 <AndrewX192> I have a framebuffer boot
Jan 19 01:42:11 <AndrewX192> Until the PIN unlock shows up
Jan 19 01:42:26 <AndrewX192> Can't have it after the PIN screen - Xorg starts then
Jan 19 01:42:32 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jan 19 01:42:50 <SpeedEvil> Inrteresting
Jan 19 01:43:02 <AndrewX192> So. Any ideas on how I should debug the init scripts?
Jan 19 01:43:24 <SpeedEvil> I tend to scattegun echo/ls/...
Jan 19 01:43:45 <AndrewX192> I guess I'll execute the scripts from my shell
Jan 19 01:44:07 <AndrewX192> Forunately the scripts work with a fat32 partition
Jan 19 01:44:32 <AndrewX192> SpeedEvil: And FYI - my console boot is about the same as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zx8qdVs7Ug
Jan 19 01:44:58 <SpeedEvil> naet
Jan 19 02:04:38 <AndrewX192> http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee282/ hm @ the device on the right :)
Jan 19 02:06:35 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jan 19 02:06:40 <AndrewX192> http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee282/10_handouts/lect.09.systemsw.pdf too
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