**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 19 02:59:57 2012 Jan 19 03:07:32 guys, anyone running CSSU here? Jan 19 03:07:36 Yes? Jan 19 03:07:42 But there is also a #maemo-ssu channel Jan 19 03:07:47 ohhh Jan 19 03:08:23 just wanna know if its better.. Jan 19 03:08:52 than current maemo.. Jan 19 03:09:15 yes it is Jan 19 03:09:37 rotation is supported in more apps, scrolling seems beter, a few minor fixes here and there. Cam app is way better Jan 19 03:09:46 transitions.ini is the best thing since sliced bread Jan 19 03:09:55 most reasons the device felt sluggish was the pointless animated whoosy crap Jan 19 03:10:35 gona try nemomobile though just beacuse.. mer team seems to be investing effort into it and havent got a HArmattan from Nokia to install.. Jan 19 03:10:35 plate, oh and battery usage? Jan 19 03:11:25 havent noticeda huge change, however my battery's fairly old Jan 19 03:11:40 plus im on powerkernel so who knows if that eats more Jan 19 03:12:27 xev: I would go for the upgrade Jan 19 03:12:38 i dont get all these people saying "i want a N900 but more CPU and RAM" Jan 19 03:12:40 It's the first thing I did when I rebuilt my N900 Jan 19 03:12:43 as far as im concerned, its perected Jan 19 03:12:54 plate: try opening a few tabs in MicroB :| Jan 19 03:13:16 yeha, i use maep/cam/mediaplayer/fmradio thats it Jan 19 03:13:20 lol Jan 19 03:13:25 chromium binary from debian sid proably works, no? Jan 19 03:13:26 i'm using powerkernel too 4.9 Jan 19 03:13:31 I use NX to access Google Chome to browse the web Jan 19 03:13:38 Chrome* Jan 19 03:13:43 yeah or a chroto Jan 19 03:13:47 chroot'd debian Jan 19 03:14:16 midori/tear are in extras-devel or something, which are also faster than microb Jan 19 03:14:23 anythings faster than an oooold versio of firefox , on an ARM .. Jan 19 03:14:45 Why hasn't MicroB been upgraded? Don't we have the source for the UI now? Jan 19 03:15:01 you can install fennec Jan 19 03:15:09 Fennec is horribly slow Jan 19 03:15:10 which is an official mozilla mobile firefox of much more recent vintage Jan 19 03:15:17 ah, installed it but forgot to try Jan 19 03:15:25 I'd rather see MicroB with an updated rendering engine Jan 19 03:15:32 same here Jan 19 03:16:14 But I'd really really like to get ext4 MyDocs working :) Jan 19 03:16:19 Which is not :| Jan 19 03:19:13 Well, just install backupmenu, then you've got a root console immune to mydocs/optfs issues Jan 19 03:19:26 and you can play with it to your hearts content Jan 19 03:20:36 Yep, I have BackupMenu + shell hacked into my boot scripts Jan 19 03:21:07 But every time my device turns on with an ext4 MyDocs fs, the fonts are just boxes and crap Jan 19 03:21:16 Probaby because optfs can't be mounted Jan 19 03:21:49 Check the boot log Jan 19 03:21:54 Figure out where it's failing Jan 19 03:21:55 and fix it Jan 19 03:23:08 Do I have to install rsyslogd for that? Jan 19 03:34:47 the optification stuff is a bit brittle imo Jan 19 03:34:54 not too condusive to other layouts w/o script-hacking in /etc/ Jan 19 03:35:22 all like if ACT_DEAD && notopted_home: and your minor tweaks send it doin the wrong thing or just blackscreening on boot Jan 19 03:35:32 they didnt expect people to hack on it Jan 19 03:36:20 it also annoys me infobot says ~android isnt open, when it seems like more of Maemo isnt open than android (which afaik, is limited to google's apps and device drivers) Jan 19 03:36:40 all this dsme daemon crap you cant get rid of which restarts other apps which youre trying to get rid of , etc Jan 19 03:37:35 /etc/event.d/rcS-late does mounting "magic" Jan 19 03:38:10 what id suggest is , deleting the fstab-generation stuff to start with, since thats not so drastic Jan 19 03:38:14 and then add entries to /etc/fstab.. Jan 19 03:38:30 since the script just does mount /home and so on, adn gets the necessary details from fstab Jan 19 03:39:04 editing the genfstab.awk is just too hacky for my tastes, and has a n extra layer of quoting/escaping wrapped around it due to Awk insanity Jan 19 03:48:09 Well, it syslog says it cannot open the theme, and it can't file the files for the theme Jan 19 03:48:12 Which isn't a shocker Jan 19 03:48:18 No errors though Jan 19 03:51:55 Uff, I found another place where MyDocs hardcoding took place.. Jan 19 04:20:12 I don't get it Jan 19 04:20:21 It's not a matter of not being able to mount MyDocs Jan 19 04:20:33 Because I switched it back to fat32, started up normally, and it's not mounted Jan 19 04:20:40 So why does it bust when it becomes ext4 Jan 19 04:23:41 systemd the mofo. rewrite all init scripts. Jan 19 04:28:14 Heh yeah Jan 19 04:28:20 Those init scripts have some pretty bad stuff in them Jan 19 04:28:30 "I really don't like this hack" <- best part Jan 19 04:29:45 # Small hack to have it working NOW Jan 19 04:29:48 nice finds Jan 19 05:03:18 plate: lol where's that one? Jan 19 05:17:34 plate: once you're running a crap load it goes to slow :( Jan 19 05:19:10 plate: I have 3G data on with XMPP which listening to podcasts over bluetooth headphones and have gpodder open and media player (obviously) and mappero (and therefore GPS) and it runs slow. Jan 19 05:19:12 256mb ram is not enough Jan 19 05:19:19 once it swaps it is definitely hell Jan 19 05:20:05 this is why i want to get rid of hte raft of dbus/hal/daemon crap but then theres proprietary dsme restarting it, so im going to have to rewrite EVERY script Jan 19 05:20:22 at which point it makes more sense to install Debian/ARch and fiddle with that instead since its less futile Jan 19 05:20:27 so.. i just hang in there for now Jan 19 05:20:44 Dillo is pretty slick and lean for reading HTML w/o javascript Jan 19 05:21:28 Yeah true, dillo is good. But it seems many new web dev people seem to think that you NEED js, even just for hyperlinks. I'm seeming more and more pages that are replacing a hyperlink, with a hyperlink that calls a js function that opens a new page. Jan 19 05:21:39 oh yeah, getting more and impore impossible :( Jan 19 05:21:58 What I would like, is people much smarter than me to be trying to put something like maemo on all these new android phones. Jan 19 05:22:00 G+/Twitter as basically entirely broken w/o JS Jan 19 05:22:55 Unfortunately no other hardware has all the great features :/ But I'd give up some if I could have more POWER and memory Jan 19 05:23:20 MEr seems to run well on archos tablets Jan 19 05:23:23 there is a 4.3 inch one even Jan 19 05:23:24 plate: Maemo swaps always Jan 19 05:23:42 ive already removed Trackerd, calendar, stuff like that Jan 19 05:24:50 hrm, ps aux shows VSZ only Jan 19 05:24:54 damn busybox Jan 19 05:25:21 Swap: 786424 81524 704900 Jan 19 05:25:30 yes, this is a clean reboot with basically nothing runnning :/ Jan 19 05:25:42 so at least 512mb would be needed to not swap on boot Jan 19 05:25:45 let alone if you actually launch apps Jan 19 05:28:56 I got MyDocs working. Jan 19 05:29:24 I had to use mkfs.ext4 on device, instead of my netbook. This is logical. Jan 19 05:29:41 And yeah, the N900 needs 512MB of RAM Jan 19 05:30:01 MicroB uses way too much ram Jan 19 05:37:06 plate: KDE 4.7 does better Jan 19 05:45:30 plate: with current stock settings, every linux would use swap from very beginning, even with 4GB of RAM Jan 19 05:46:29 plate: see swappolube and associated threads in tmo Jan 19 05:49:01 so Plasma Active is worth a looksee Jan 19 05:55:59 plate: you won't get rid of dbus, or you have to use another system than maemo Jan 19 05:58:07 maemo is almost based on dbus, though still not comprehensively enough in my book. Look into FSO to see how to do it better, still with dbus. You will need *some* messaging on a interactive desktop, KDE also won't really work without dbus Jan 19 05:59:38 what you need most isn't exactly messaging but *signals* Jan 19 06:00:05 which on dbus are messages without destination address Jan 19 06:01:39 TwimGo uses 12% of my memory Jan 19 06:01:46 :| Jan 19 06:03:05 probably each serious developer already cursed dbus several times, and we all thought about replacing it with e.g. a resurrected corba arvhitecture, or something other weird stuff. As dbus evidently has issues. But it's defacto standard and no way to circumvent it Jan 19 06:07:56 Corba? Jan 19 06:08:03 Doc, you are being delusional Jan 19 06:09:09 In fact, you are being delusional about this whole thing. Using middleware servers for interprocess communication never ever worked as intended. That is why the goddamn Corba is dead and well buried. Jan 19 06:09:45 haha Jan 19 06:09:48 DBus is stable like a rock compared to just about any Corba "solution" that ever was Jan 19 06:09:56 BWAHAHA Jan 19 06:10:14 oh, forgot to read second half of your statement Jan 19 06:10:18 :-P Jan 19 06:11:14 ...and before you suggest MS SOAP, lemme visit bathroom... Jan 19 06:12:01 well, that's why I picked exactly this example, to show how much some of the devels got pissed. They honestly pondered to even look into improving CORBA rather than using dbus any longer. Of course this mood was temporaray, like for an evening of ranting Jan 19 06:12:30 Less reliance on DBus might be a better solution Jan 19 06:12:48 you *need* some IPC Jan 19 06:12:57 I think it is less how DBus works and more about how these poettering people are using it Jan 19 06:13:02 with a way to register multinple listeners Jan 19 06:13:28 Yes, you need some central registry where clients can find other clients Jan 19 06:13:39 no, dbus had some serious bugs until "recently" (like 2 years ago max) Jan 19 06:13:49 2 years is ancient history nowadays Jan 19 06:14:11 bwahaha, look what versions we run on maemo Jan 19 06:14:27 Maemo is ancient history too, welcome to Android worls. Jan 19 06:14:33 world. Jan 19 06:14:43 there are versions of systems I forgot ever existed ;-P Jan 19 06:15:18 RST38h: /part; /join #andridiot Jan 19 06:15:22 Anyways, time to go to work Jan 19 06:15:29 same here Jan 19 06:15:44 Doc: You know I am essentially right, no need to get pissed =( Jan 19 06:15:50 and no, actually NO dbus on OSE Jan 19 06:16:17 no pissed, just pointing to chan /topic Jan 19 06:16:52 Doc: I think Arkanoid once posted a list of open sockets on a Maemo device (Harmattan I think) and compared it with the list from x86 desktop running Linux Jan 19 06:16:57 and to my cloak, which suggests I'm dealing with this problem even longer than I had maemo devices Jan 19 06:17:02 Provided for some interesting comparison =) Jan 19 06:17:43 open? to where, to what? Jan 19 06:18:10 who cares about open sockets Jan 19 06:18:11 ? Jan 19 06:19:22 hell, this lil critter *has* a helluffa lot more services running than the average office desltop *nix box Jan 19 06:20:21 what's the point of dnsmasq again? Jan 19 06:20:44 and since one of the major problems of dbus is protocol overhead, you probably don't want to run X over it, rather you get a SOCK Jan 19 06:22:03 neither you reasonably want to pipe audio thru dbus Jan 19 06:23:14 and heck yeah, you shouldn't even abuse dbus to shove down its throat a message with *all* of your contacts or albums either Jan 19 06:24:38 dbus devels would have done better, if they specified from beginning sth like "max msg size: 50k. max msg thruput: 10/s" Jan 19 06:27:07 see wiki phonecontrol, if you try to figure a maemo without dbus Jan 19 06:28:09 (virtually) all of those calls are based on dbus for a good reason. Not exactly simple to replace them by some other concept of IPC Jan 19 06:29:23 DocScrutinizer: fragment *all* the calls! _ò/ Jan 19 06:30:00 ??? Jan 19 06:30:36 DocScrutinizer: people would still push humongous quantities of data through dbus Jan 19 06:30:39 just slower Jan 19 06:30:44 *in a slower way Jan 19 06:30:57 you mean combinatoric explosion by replacing bus by 1<->1 communications? Jan 19 06:31:36 *HUGE* handlers for all the concurrent connections in each process? Jan 19 06:31:48 yes, all known problems Jan 19 06:32:12 there *are* reasons for a decent bus based IPC Jan 19 06:33:02 proper permissions handling just one of them, and one that's basically unused on maemo (and most other dbus using systems, except HARM) Jan 19 06:33:46 (as a side note - should i buy a N9? is it good?) Jan 19 06:34:02 *me goes bathroom* Jan 19 06:34:11 :c Jan 19 06:34:30 theres a way to install bootmenu/nitdroid with backupmenu? Jan 19 06:35:47 OMG, I wasn't fast enough to avoid reading this :-/ ;-P Jan 19 06:36:33 ~maemo-multiboot Jan 19 06:36:33 hmm... maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Jan 19 06:37:00 sorry, i mean multiboot Jan 19 06:37:38 installed backupmenu before then install nitdroid .. but backupmenu is removed.. Jan 19 06:37:48 tztztz Jan 19 06:38:36 we already had above note in /TOPIC of this chan, to make clear what's level of support for multiboot here Jan 19 06:39:23 DocScrutinizer: so how is one supposed to dual boot? Jan 19 06:40:00 it basically feels like "linux SUCKS! when I install win98 on my linux machine, the bootloader doesn't offer booting to linux anymore" Jan 19 06:40:35 kerio: ask in #nitdroid Jan 19 06:41:22 just now i have in my boot is maemo, kp49, and nitdroid.. then i want to add backupmenu.. i'm glad if you can point me where to start.. Jan 19 06:41:38 as it's not maemo that spoils things here, it's clearly the droid dudes that think they don't need to care about any other system concurrently installed and eventually pushing updates to system and kernel Jan 19 06:42:01 xev: start at: Jan 19 06:42:08 ~maemo-multiboot Jan 19 06:42:08 [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Jan 19 06:42:33 All you need is Maemo anyways Jan 19 06:42:43 If you're running Android on an N900, something is probably wrong Jan 19 06:42:50 indeed Jan 19 06:43:00 especially because android on 128mb of ram is... Jan 19 06:43:01 eeeeeeeeeh Jan 19 06:43:15 I should delete my nitdroid partition Jan 19 06:43:26 because last week.. installed this android .. just wanna try it out.. Jan 19 06:43:37 Make all of my 64GB available for use :) Jan 19 06:43:38 too bad Jan 19 06:43:41 ~maemo-multiboot Jan 19 06:43:41 [maemo-multiboot] deprecated, and a horrible hack. PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED Jan 19 06:44:06 I hope I don't have to reflash any time soon Jan 19 06:44:13 ermm Jan 19 06:44:27 i should have 3 partition isnt? Jan 19 06:44:30 Because if I do, I'll be utterly screwed with ext4 filesystems and cryptsetup :) Jan 19 06:44:45 xev: on mmcblk0 yes Jan 19 06:44:45 listen xev, this is not #nitdroid Jan 19 06:45:01 no.. i'm not asking about nitdroid. Jan 19 06:45:37 fine then Jan 19 06:46:16 you want backup menu? install it. You got problems with multiboot conflicting with BM? see above Jan 19 06:47:27 "unable to install backupmenu, Conflict with application packages: Enhanced boot loader for Maemo (0.2.10-1)" Jan 19 06:47:32 this is BM? Jan 19 06:47:46 yes, BVM==backupmenu Jan 19 06:48:03 enhanced... PFFFFFT Jan 19 06:48:13 \i dont know how do i get this apps Jan 19 06:48:16 gosh. Jan 19 06:48:53 you're screwed, as there's no rollback known to work from nitdroid install. see ~maemo-multiboot Jan 19 06:49:00 ok Jan 19 06:49:07 understand that .. :) thanks Jan 19 06:49:36 i just bought this device .. used.. so i dont know what in there.. Jan 19 06:49:53 np Jan 19 06:50:16 then i need to reflash.. isnt? Jan 19 06:50:36 sorry about being a bit grumpy, it's just nitdroid/multiboot SUCKS, and tehre were times when we had to tell that stuff 4 times a day here Jan 19 06:50:48 ohh Jan 19 06:50:51 yes, reflash COMBINED Jan 19 06:51:04 thats ok.. Jan 19 06:51:30 brb.. going to have surgery for my device Jan 19 06:53:44 and for completely unknown reasons nitdroid folks are incapable to set up their stuff in a way compatible to uBoot bootmanager that allows flawless coexistence of maemo with e.g. meego Jan 19 06:54:10 https://wiki.engr.illinois.edu/display/cs498mar/Home Jan 19 06:54:14 The N900 is everywhere Jan 19 06:54:31 so unless they get their shit sorted, we are not feeling like giving helpdesk for problems they introduce to whole system Jan 19 06:54:51 Too bad they only have 11 N900s Jan 19 06:57:15 Hi. Anyone know what's going on with http://maemo.org ? Jan 19 06:57:27 OkropNick: It's working just fine? Jan 19 06:57:29 blank page - fsckdup Jan 19 06:57:56 yeah, not working from yesterday in Poland Jan 19 06:59:15 another test how much of administration maemo infra still gets from Nokia ;-D Jan 19 07:00:05 probably next week you will get forwarded to URL meego.com instead XP Jan 19 07:00:30 guys, sorry to ask again.. Jan 19 07:00:39 they just forgot to put on the "under construction" sign Jan 19 07:01:02 xev: shoot Jan 19 07:01:20 theres 'original' 2 partition from mmcblk0 isnt? Jan 19 07:01:26 and 1 from rootfs Jan 19 07:01:45 err, 3 on eMMC aka mmcblk0 Jan 19 07:02:01 iirc Jan 19 07:02:19 = /home /opt /mydoc ? Jan 19 07:02:41 yeah, MyDocs-VFAT, /home-ext3, swap-768MB Jan 19 07:03:04 /opt is a bindmount to /home Jan 19 07:03:53 isn't swap also on emmc? that would make 3 ;) Jan 19 07:04:10 = /home size about 8gb , mydocs 21gb , swap for the rest Jan 19 07:04:23 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) Jan 19 07:04:24 and rooffs 256 i think. Jan 19 07:04:25 /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs type vfat (rw,noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir) Jan 19 07:04:45 dm8tbr: did I tell sth different? Jan 19 07:05:13 ah, yeah, just waking up, ignore me... Jan 19 07:05:17 so, all suppose to be 32gb Jan 19 07:05:19 * dm8tbr runs to work Jan 19 07:05:46 t900:~# ls -ld /opt Jan 19 07:05:47 Or... http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem Jan 19 07:05:48 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 9 Dec 12 2010 /opt -> /home/opt Jan 19 07:06:00 indeed :-) Jan 19 07:06:12 DocScrutinizer: My favorite part is Jan 19 07:06:13 drwxr-xr-x 12 root root 0 Dec 31 1969 sys Jan 19 07:07:11 :) Jan 19 07:07:21 thanks .. Jan 19 07:07:23 xev: root aka / is on mtd, not on mmc Jan 19 07:07:45 mtd5 Jan 19 07:07:54 that's the reason why it's only 240MB size Jan 19 07:08:19 real phy size, plus ubifs compression on top Jan 19 07:09:05 actually less... :-/ Jan 19 07:09:09 t900:~# df -h / Jan 19 07:09:10 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Jan 19 07:09:11 rootfs 227.9M 188.3M 35.4M 84% / Jan 19 07:09:58 and: Jan 19 07:10:01 rootfs on / type rootfs (rw) Jan 19 07:10:03 ubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc) Jan 19 07:10:52 I should get another N900 Jan 19 07:12:55 Oh my god Jan 19 07:13:01 charge.sh! I've missed you so much Jan 19 07:13:25 I love worthless verbose output being spit out over my console at all times! Jan 19 07:13:36 Someone should kill this thing Jan 19 07:15:46 someone should kill your rant, when you'r enot capable to append a >/dev/null to kill the diagnostic output Jan 19 07:16:03 I haven't got around to modifying that line in BackupMenu Jan 19 07:16:30 The most I've done to it is fix ext4 Jan 19 07:16:31 or, (attention, only for 'experts'!) just comment out the echo lines in script Jan 19 07:17:15 I'd rather complain about the bad choice of making that a default :) Jan 19 07:19:16 well, my draft included some quick&dirty "diagnostic output" and obviously it lingered on in ShadowJK 's augmented versions Jan 19 07:19:45 I'd concur it *should* go to &2 Jan 19 07:20:08 and possibly get disabled when script is not started interactively Jan 19 07:21:24 pester robbiethe1st about it ;-P he's fix that one line in BM in no time Jan 19 07:23:03 he could "fix" the rather weird screen brightness "signalling" of charging as well, rather make that via dirct call to LP5523 to flash the indicator LED, and spend +/- for adjusting screen brightness manually Jan 19 07:23:11 as well Jan 19 07:24:11 AndrewX192: it's not like you're ranting to other users in this chan, it's most likely the devels that are answering ;-) Jan 19 07:27:37 Well, when he get back in here, there's another issue with enabling the framebuffer and BackupMenu :) Jan 19 07:27:53 charge.sh makes it worse though Jan 19 07:34:04 Excess flood eh? Jan 19 07:34:19 Spammer Jan 19 07:34:45 :S Jan 19 07:35:35 MohammadAG: you're worse than charge.sh Jan 19 07:36:25 DocScrutinizer: While I'm complaining... Jan 19 07:36:48 Someone is slacking (T-Mobile?) - my N900 doesn't pick up service for 5 minutes after each reboot Jan 19 07:36:57 Even with stock Jan 19 07:37:45 Comparing shell scripts and people sounds fun Jan 19 07:38:50 MohammadAG: # I hate this hack. -- Md Jan 19 07:40:44 So you hate me more? Jan 19 07:41:21 No Jan 19 07:42:54 ... Jan 19 07:44:41 MohammadAG: that is from /etc/event.d/rcS Jan 19 10:18:56 hei Jan 19 10:22:10 I currently don't have my phone locked, but I don't know the previous lock code to give it a new lock code. Can I reset this lock code in some way? Jan 19 10:22:32 I am talking just about the 4 digit code. Jan 19 10:23:16 I am semi-afraid that I won't be able to do anything with my phone if I enable the lock code (without knowing the code, naturally). Jan 19 10:53:58 guys, there's no support from nokia forever for maemo.. i'm correct? Jan 19 10:54:14 yes Jan 19 10:54:24 well, they still support harmattan Jan 19 10:55:20 at least we have cssu.. ;) Jan 19 10:55:27 and good community.. Jan 19 10:56:47 Does anyone know the answer to my earlier question? Jan 19 10:57:04 rly: you can Jan 19 10:57:11 jacekowski: ok, and how? Jan 19 10:57:16 default 12345 ? Jan 19 10:57:20 rly: code_reset from repository Jan 19 10:57:35 jacekowski: ok, and to what does it reset then? Jan 19 10:57:42 jacekowski: is it in the default repositories? Jan 19 10:57:43 default Jan 19 10:57:50 extras-devel Jan 19 10:57:53 And default is 12345? Jan 19 10:57:56 yes Jan 19 10:58:02 Excellent Jan 19 10:58:03 it's commandline tool Jan 19 10:58:11 so i don't think it shows up in HAM Jan 19 10:58:26 jacekowski: ok. Jan 19 10:58:35 jacekowski: thanks Jan 19 10:58:59 you just run it as root Jan 19 10:59:03 and you're done Jan 19 10:59:37 It would be even more cool, if you had to attach a very small device which acts as a key if you want to use it. Jan 19 10:59:49 Something cryptographically signed, etc. ;) Jan 19 10:59:57 ehh Jan 19 11:00:17 Just a semi-random, perhaps not so practical idea. Jan 19 11:00:48 and besides, you can't enable lock if you don't know the code Jan 19 11:01:14 jacekowski: does something bad happen if I try more than X times? Jan 19 11:01:33 jacekowski: I will reset it anyway, but it is still nice to know. Jan 19 11:01:35 no Jan 19 11:01:52 iirc you have to stop for 5 minutes after 5 tries Jan 19 11:01:53 or restart Jan 19 11:02:07 Ok, so you can crack it in a day anyway. Jan 19 11:02:14 not really Jan 19 11:02:20 lenght is not limited to 5 characters Jan 19 11:02:39 Ok Jan 19 11:02:50 I was used to 4 ;)_ Jan 19 11:03:06 pin numbers can be longer than 4 as well Jan 19 11:04:01 What's weird about the lock code is that (IIRC) the UI accepts numbers with lengths up to 10 digits, but only the first 8 are meaningful. Jan 19 11:04:34 still better than crypt() :) Jan 19 12:17:23 AndrewX192; directing the output to console seems silly :) Jan 19 12:19:33 If you actually want to see the raw state now and then, directing it to a screen window, x-terminal or a file would make more sense... Jan 19 12:34:31 peb: identity crisis? Jan 19 12:35:25 andre_, no playing around with basic functionality (no coffee yet) Jan 19 12:35:53 heh Jan 19 15:05:09 "Microsoft has introduced a gamification plugin for Visual Studio that lets users win achievements and badges as they compete on leaderboards by writing code. The full list of achievements includes gems like 'Go To Hell' for using goto, and 'Potty Mouth' for using five different curses in one file." Jan 19 15:14:34 RST38h: After long consideration, I have absolutely no idea if that's true. Jan 19 15:17:13 BCMM: Apparently, it is Jan 19 15:17:18 Long time until April 1 Jan 19 15:22:57 After long consideration, I'm not sure whether I'm surprised. Jan 19 15:23:01 hey all Jan 19 15:23:36 also, lots of cursing and goto? sounds like the Linux kernel. Jan 19 15:23:36 is epiphany only installable in easy debian, or can it be installed on maemo? Jan 19 16:17:58 ~botsnack Jan 19 16:17:58 thanks, DocScrutinizer51 Jan 19 17:11:52 is it possible to run ubuntu command line app in maemo directly? Jan 19 17:13:10 mostly no .. because of arch .. but multi-arch ones sometimes work Jan 19 17:14:00 are you aware of nodejs? Jan 19 17:15:05 yes, never tried it. have nfc if it will work Jan 19 17:15:29 nfc? Jan 19 17:16:59 Niloy, yes: if this command line "app" is compiled for ARM, and if maemo has all the libs for it (or if you can make sure that it will have them), then it should be possible. Another way: setting up an ubuntu arm chroot Jan 19 17:17:10 ~nfc Jan 19 17:17:16 i guess nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications Jan 19 17:18:34 can someone please try to build nodejs for maemo? Jan 19 17:22:36 anyone? someone? please... Jan 19 17:49:54 I heard there was a problem with building nodejs for arm Jan 19 18:00:05 Meanwhile: Teens Share Passwords As a Form of Intimacy Jan 19 18:00:35 RST38h: While putting plastic bags over their heads. Jan 19 18:01:53 Good enough for members of the government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan Jan 19 18:05:07 what is the best device for maemo 6? Jan 19 18:07:36 SpeedEvil: Yeah, that too. Have to give them a credit though: they have more or less found the cheapest way to have fun, short of having actual sex Jan 19 18:15:05 mad_dev: it's the one device where it's preinstalled. Jan 19 20:21:34 Feds shut down megaupload Jan 19 20:27:06 feds shut down maemo.org or is it back? Jan 19 20:27:16 hey it is back Jan 19 20:27:17 omgz Jan 19 20:27:33 apps formeego too Jan 19 20:27:34 :D Jan 19 20:29:15 I secretly brought them down to protest but no one noticed Jan 19 20:32:14 what could cause that n900 doesn't connect to internet at all? not gprs nor wlan. no questions asked. Jan 19 20:32:15 when i try to make connect from status menu it doesn't even open the screen to select from connections. cell phone works on 2g and 3g Jan 19 20:33:38 sfckd wlancond? Jan 19 20:33:53 though that would still allow gprs / the other thing Jan 19 20:36:30 got it - wifi switcher - which is _not_ set to disable wlan on startup. Jan 19 21:28:00 ummmm Jan 19 21:28:19 >>110 481 829 downloads served for Maemo 5 (Last update: 2012-01-19 17:01)<< Jan 19 21:31:10 all those "switchers" are nasty borked hacks, it seems Jan 19 21:32:31 People on TMO need to stop putting crap on RapidShare/megaupload/ec Jan 19 21:33:21 megaupload is dead Jan 19 21:34:14 Yeah, and so now those files can't be accessed Jan 19 21:36:43 yeah, they closed kino.to, took some 48h til alternative URLs wre up Jan 19 21:37:59 I host my warez on my own server ;-P Jan 19 21:38:16 ~no-aegis Jan 19 21:38:16 aegis-no-thanks is, like, http://maemo.cloud-7.de/HARM/N9/openmode_kernel_PR1.1/ Jan 19 21:40:07 Finding a nice simple cheap place to host largish files easily - for those not up to do ing the whole shell-server thing isn't easy Jan 19 21:40:50 just kidding Jan 19 21:41:29 though not completely, it's always been a good laugh to see feds of any flavour trying to "take down" a internet service Jan 19 21:42:40 they seem to me like rentokil dude trying to counteract termites invasion by sitting there holding a huge "STOP" sign Jan 19 21:43:38 like a fool trying to catch snowflakes so none of them hits the ground Jan 19 21:45:03 like stopping drug abuse by arresting one little filthy dealer Jan 19 21:47:05 "hey, big police success story! we arrested a dealer that otherwise would have sold drugs for ~3000$ a day" - meanwhile: the next dude sells same amount of drugs for 4000$ a day to same clients, at same location Jan 19 21:54:43 was it India and the British police/military that tried to keep people from making their own salt by evaporating sea water - as that would ruin the British's business to sell mineral salt with high taxes? Jan 19 21:56:24 there's always a time for a product, and a time where nobody needs that particular product anymore. Alas RIAA/GEMA/music-industry hasn't yet learnt their lesson from history Jan 19 21:58:13 rather they think selling poor quality overpriced salt^Hmusic will compensate for their vanishing margins Jan 19 21:59:47 the intelligent musicians already noticed that the "classic" music dealer industry is obsolete, and they are coming up with new business concepts. Live concerts just one of them, crowd funding another Jan 19 23:32:11 hjabis hello Jan 19 23:33:46 hello out how do i set on n900 Jan 19 23:33:55 Set what? Jan 19 23:34:38 i have xchat on n900 how do i set mode Jan 19 23:37:23 is there anyone there? Jan 19 23:39:24 explain? Jan 19 23:42:55 how do i set mode with xchat Jan 19 23:45:58 /quote MODE USER +modes **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 20 02:59:57 2012