**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Jan 20 02:59:57 2012
Jan 20 06:00:33 <Z3ROC00L> ol
Jan 20 06:01:14 <Z3ROC00L> f
Jan 20 06:02:08 <Z3ROC00L> d
Jan 20 08:20:19 <RST38h> Meanwhile: MegaUpload Accounted for a Quarter of All Corporate Traffic—More than Dropbox
Jan 20 08:50:24 <auenf> "Longest time between charges 6 days, 13:03"
Jan 20 08:50:45 <auenf> battery lasts a long time when theres no sim, and wifi is turned off
Jan 20 08:51:24 <DocScrutinizer> on N900? sure
Jan 20 08:51:59 <DocScrutinizer> even with WLAN it still usually manages to stay up these 6 days
Jan 20 08:52:02 <auenf> my n810 would probably have a better score than that too
Jan 20 08:52:16 <auenf> well, that *may* be with wifi on
Jan 20 08:52:22 <auenf> i cant remember
Jan 20 09:03:41 <jpinx> n900 with wifi on and doing stuff lasts about 6 hours ;)
Jan 20 09:07:51 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, with screen backlight on, and throwing all on CPU and DSP etc I could find for them to do, I almost can make it deplete battery in 6h. Maybe operate vibramotor too, but better keep 3G active and transmitting data all the time
Jan 20 09:13:46 <dubio> with FM Radio, Maep, some light web and irssi going, i can proably kill it in 4
Jan 20 09:14:12 <dubio> but yeah, screen off idling overnight on batt with just irssi, and it uses maybe 10% of battery
Jan 20 09:14:16 <dubio> so like 5 days
Jan 20 09:17:23 <RST38h> 5-6 hours is what it takes N900 to suck the battery dry under high load, indeed
Jan 20 09:18:01 <RST38h> 12-18 hours of "normal" use, i.e. with messaging on, email checks, some calls and browsing with builtin browser
Jan 20 09:18:18 <RST38h> 2-4 days in offline mode
Jan 20 09:19:05 <derf> Or if you're unlucky like me, 1-2 hours under "normal" use, 8-12 hours in offline mode.
Jan 20 09:30:05 <RST38h> moo, derf! how do you manage that? 
Jan 20 09:30:21 <derf> RST38h: I wish I knew, so I could make it stop.
Jan 20 09:30:31 <RST38h> replacing battery does not help?
Jan 20 09:30:43 <derf> The "normal use" number used to be better, but the battery is a few years old now.
Jan 20 09:30:47 <derf> But it never lasted long.
Jan 20 09:31:06 <derf> Certainly never a full day.
Jan 20 09:31:10 <RST38h> powertop? BatteryGraph?
Jan 20 09:31:23 <derf> I've been through powertop, it doesn't have any useful information.
Jan 20 09:31:52 <RST38h> Try BatteryGraph, maybe it will tell something interesting
Jan 20 09:32:08 * RST38h would just replace the battery first though, and then use BG
Jan 20 09:32:09 <derf> My suspicion is that it's because I don't have a SIM card in it.
Jan 20 09:32:29 <RST38h> Nah, I had N900 SIM-less for weeks, no problems whatsoever
Jan 20 09:32:31 <derf> Since one of my friends damaged her SIM card, and after that her N900 started draining its battery like mine.
Jan 20 09:32:40 <derf> Okay, well, then I have no idea.
Jan 20 09:32:55 <RST38h> N950 lives for longer than a week without SIM
Jan 20 09:47:04 <Estel_> Hi maemo
Jan 20 09:48:14 <Estel_> Could anyone point me to a method (probably, via init or rcs-late scripts) that would allow me to popup gui window of some program, and "pause" boot process, unless such GUI is closed?
Jan 20 09:49:03 <Estel_> basically, I got encrypted partition (truecrypt) and moved things like /home/user/.osso-adbook or .rtcom-messages to it, then symlinked
Jan 20 09:49:41 <Estel_> everything is ok, except for fact, that I need to kill addressbook or rtcom-call-ui after mounting partition, to make it notice changes.
Jan 20 09:50:06 <Estel_> I got script in event.d that pop-ups mounting GUI window of truecrypt...
Jan 20 09:50:32 <Estel_> yet, of course, before I write password, provide keyfiles etc, services are already up and running
Jan 20 09:50:59 <Estel_> killing troublemaker bin's isn't bad, yet I'm searching for more elegant solution
Jan 20 09:52:27 <Estel_> last but not least, if such "delayed" boot proceeding (waiting with loading later hildon etc parts, before GUI is closded by either cancel or providing things and ok) isn't possible, I would like to set "killing" in the same event.d script that bring truecrypt window to mount partitions
Jan 20 09:52:47 <Estel_> yet, again, I need to make at least "killings" to wait until gui is closed
Jan 20 09:53:00 <vi_> yo estel.
Jan 20 09:53:14 <Estel_> otherwise, it pops-up truerypt window, and instantly kill things before I mount
Jan 20 09:53:29 <vi_> I see you are rocking an _ now
Jan 20 09:53:29 <Estel_> hi vi_. nice to see You here, considering my question ;)
Jan 20 09:53:55 <vi_> what is the question?
Jan 20 09:54:03 <vi_> Because I have one too.
Jan 20 09:54:59 <vi_> How do I know when data written to swap > swap size?
Jan 20 09:55:46 <Estel_> could You pls backscroll? I just finished 7 liner question the moment before You joined...
Jan 20 09:55:58 <vi_> I cannopt, I just joined.
Jan 20 09:56:05 <vi_> slap it on pastebin
Jan 20 09:56:11 <vi_> paste links
Jan 20 09:56:14 <vi_> and titsd
Jan 20 09:56:47 <Estel_> sorry, got phone, I'm back. roger & roger
Jan 20 09:56:58 <Estel_> pasting this and answer to Your question
Jan 20 09:57:58 <Estel_> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-20.log.html#t2012-01-20T11:46:02
Jan 20 09:59:10 <Estel_> as for total data written to swap, it's basically
Jan 20 09:59:12 <Estel_> iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}'
Jan 20 09:59:31 <Estel_> but You have to have ;) something to compare it with
Jan 20 09:59:33 <Estel_> so
Jan 20 09:59:40 <Estel_> simple script, as per shadowjk's
Jan 20 09:59:59 <Estel_> where
Jan 20 10:00:01 <Estel_> M=$(iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}')
Jan 20 10:00:16 <Estel_> LAST=$(cat reswap.stat)
Jan 20 10:00:26 <Estel_> D=$((M-LAST))
Jan 20 10:00:41 <Estel_> and
Jan 20 10:00:43 <Estel_> if [ $D -lt 600 ] ; then
Jan 20 10:00:53 <Estel_> <reswap> else fi
Jan 20 10:01:24 <Estel_> basically, it's not that fragmentation occurs when total data written to swap exceed total swap size
Jan 20 10:01:49 <Estel_> due to wear-leveling etc, it may start earlier, but never later
Jan 20 10:01:52 <vi_> good stuff estel, I may have an answer for your problem as well
Jan 20 10:02:15 <vi_> brb
Jan 20 10:02:16 <Estel_> shadowjk did some research for it, and most of the times it start to occur after 600 mb on 768 swap
Jan 20 10:02:25 <vi_> brb coffee
Jan 20 10:02:29 <Estel_> thanks, becoming all ears (with feets)
Jan 20 10:02:38 <vi_> lol@polish humor.
Jan 20 10:03:14 <Estel_> ;) ears with feets is actually something more, see goodle - Tori Amos
Jan 20 10:03:44 * Estel_ meant google, not goodle
Jan 20 10:07:25 <Estel_> brb
Jan 20 10:14:57 <vi_> ds
Jan 20 10:15:00 <vi_> derp
Jan 20 10:23:58 <vi_> Estel_: 
Jan 20 10:24:16 <vi_> Estel_: it turns out my boss actually expects me to do some work today :(
Jan 20 10:24:30 <vi_> Estel_: can you make a thread on it and pm me on TMO?
Jan 20 10:24:42 <vi_> Estel_: So I find it later?
Jan 20 10:24:50 <Estel_> I see, no problem. Tested some ideas that actually works, and ok I'll pm it
Jan 20 10:25:03 <Estel_> as for swap, I forget one impoirtant thing
Jan 20 10:25:12 <Estel_> told You to compare it with swap.stat
Jan 20 10:25:18 <vi_> Estel_: I can tell you what you want to muck around with is a combination of event.d scripts and xsession.d
Jan 20 10:25:44 <Estel_> but, as addition to things I.'ve written, before every enabling of swap in question, You must also
Jan 20 10:25:54 <vi_> Estel_: the most obvious thing being, change the point where addressbook and conversations(whatever) are loaded
Jan 20 10:26:12 <Estel_> iostat -md mmcblk1p2 | grep mmcblk1p2 | awk '{print $6}' >/root/reswap.stat
Jan 20 10:26:27 <vi_> Estel_: I had figured that one out!
Jan 20 10:26:29 <Estel_> ok, will try messing with it
Jan 20 10:26:33 <vi_> Thank you anyway though.
Jan 20 10:26:35 <Estel_> oh, nice :P
Jan 20 10:26:59 <Estel_> well, for few months i was, accidentaly, comparing to /home/ iostat
Jan 20 10:27:22 <Estel_> until I figured out that it was mmcblk0p2 instead of mmcblk1p2 (in my case)
Jan 20 10:27:32 <vi_> addressbook is started by (i think) xsession.d script. Simply set it to start later or, indeed set truecrypt to start earlier.
Jan 20 10:27:32 <Estel_> have happy nice workday ;)
Jan 20 10:28:09 <vi_> Estel_: If I am understanding your question.  Either way, make thread, I will look later.
Jan 20 10:28:12 <vi_> BB
Jan 20 10:28:12 <vi_> #/quit
Jan 20 11:18:02 <RST38h> In an interview with Pocket-lint, Nokia CEO Stephen Elop announced that the word "Nokia" will soon show up on maps from Microsoft, including those on BlackBerry devices.
Jan 20 11:28:41 <Hurrian> google's been doing that for some time
Jan 20 12:05:29 <RST38h> Doing what?
Jan 20 12:05:37 <Z3ROC00L> hey peeps im having a few issues with queenbeecon , can anybody help ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152827&postcount=1315
Jan 20 12:06:17 <guly> RST38h: what does it means? 
Jan 20 12:07:27 <SpeedEvil> guly: It means that nokia sold the rights to use their map data - that they bought for several billion - to other people.
Jan 20 12:08:05 <RST38h> SpeedEvil: And all they got is a sticker.
Jan 20 12:08:31 <guly> ok, got it
Jan 20 13:01:58 <RST38h> Awfully quiet her, isn't it? Where is everyone? Attending C# mobile development classes?
Jan 20 13:02:33 <lolcat`> Hello
Jan 20 13:02:40 <lolcat`> I am considering re-purchasing a N900
Jan 20 13:03:02 <lolcat`> But the charging port is b0rked. Would that be a problem?
Jan 20 13:03:17 <haltdef> known issue with n900s I believe
Jan 20 13:03:23 <r00t|home> if you can handle a soldering-iron, not that much of a problem
Jan 20 13:03:36 <haltdef> I'd be uncomfortable :P
Jan 20 13:03:41 <haltdef> how much are you getting it for?
Jan 20 13:03:43 <lolcat`> The price is a bit steep though, 1800,-
Jan 20 13:03:44 <lolcat`> NOK
Jan 20 13:03:51 <r00t|home> how much in euros?
Jan 20 13:03:52 * haltdef converts to real money
Jan 20 13:03:55 <r00t|home> or usd...
Jan 20 13:03:56 <lolcat`> 1800/8
Jan 20 13:04:13 <lolcat`> 303USD
Jan 20 13:04:17 <r00t|home> lol
Jan 20 13:04:20 <haltdef> hm, just under half of what mine cost new
Jan 20 13:04:20 <r00t|home> don't buy!
Jan 20 13:04:22 <lolcat`> 235 eur
Jan 20 13:04:38 <haltdef> I'd go for it if it was in perfect working order, otherwise .. no :P
Jan 20 13:04:52 <r00t|home> you can get a non-broken n900 on ebay for ~100eur
Jan 20 13:04:55 <lolcat`> My last N900 cost something along the lines of 717.
Jan 20 13:04:57 <lolcat`> eur
Jan 20 13:05:01 <r00t|home> with a bit of luck/patience
Jan 20 13:05:17 <r00t|home> so broken ones should be 60 max imho
Jan 20 13:05:32 <lolcat`> r00t|home: Anything over 33USD is added 25% VAT + 14.5 EUR in fees
Jan 20 13:05:43 <haltdef> mine was 540EUR or so, brand new when they hadn't been out long as well
Jan 20 13:05:49 <haltdef> you pay 25% VAT?
Jan 20 13:05:57 <lolcat`> r00t|home: If she has the recipt I can probably argue to the shop this is a construction error
Jan 20 13:06:05 <lolcat`> haltdef: On electronics
Jan 20 13:06:10 <haltdef> that's rough
Jan 20 13:06:17 <haltdef> and I moan about 20% in the uk
Jan 20 13:06:22 <lolcat`> Hehe
Jan 20 13:06:29 <r00t|home> lolcat`: huh?
Jan 20 13:06:39 <lolcat`> Electronics isn't too expencive here, and the 5 year warranty by law is nice.
Jan 20 13:06:46 <haltdef> it may have been at 15% when I bought mine for 540EUR, explains the difference
Jan 20 13:07:38 <lolcat`> r00t|home: There is a 5 year warrant by law for everything electronic that is more expencive than 2000,- NOK so if she paid more than that, the shop will have three tries to fix it. Since this is a known error I'll probably get it for free. And if they fail twice I get the money (whatever she paid for it new).
Jan 20 13:08:17 <lolcat`> If she paid something like 4-5000 for it, that would be an awesome deal, because Nokia sucks at fixing charging ports
Jan 20 13:08:17 <ShadowJK> The port isn't always possible to solder back on
Jan 20 13:08:23 <r00t|home> lolcat`: heh
Jan 20 13:08:25 <ShadowJK> because sometimes the port stays soldered on to the board, and the board breaks
Jan 20 13:08:54 <r00t|home> ShadowJK: ofcourse... i was mostly thinking of using the pads under the battery
Jan 20 13:09:08 <lolcat`> ShadowJK: But this is a known production error? I would be able to prove a plausible procudtion error
Jan 20 13:09:11 <lolcat`> ?
Jan 20 13:09:12 <lolcat`> or+
Jan 20 13:10:40 <lolcat`> I think I would win the case in consumer court
Jan 20 13:11:32 <ShadowJK> lolcat`, it's the most common fault known. In a talk.maemo.org poll, 10% of respondents said their USB port fell off for no reason. 7.6% were having charging and/or usb issues, and suspected glitching port. 
Jan 20 13:11:56 <r00t|home> the 5year warranty is .no law?
Jan 20 13:12:01 <ShadowJK> So that's like 17.6% of people participating in that poll having usb port problems
Jan 20 13:12:08 <lolcat`> r00t|home: yes
Jan 20 13:12:10 <SpeedEvil> 5 year, it may be law, doesn't matter.
Jan 20 13:12:15 <SpeedEvil> They won't give you a new n900.
Jan 20 13:12:24 <r00t|home> because they don't have any ;)
Jan 20 13:12:28 <lolcat`> SpeedEvil: No, they give me the money back after two repair faults.
Jan 20 13:12:57 <SpeedEvil> ah
Jan 20 13:13:00 <lolcat`> So if I can play with a N900 for a few months untill the charger port fails again (it always does :() and then earn money on it
Jan 20 13:13:07 <lolcat`> I feel that is a good deal
Jan 20 13:13:19 <SpeedEvil> Until prices go up due to that.
Jan 20 13:13:27 <lolcat`> A N900 won't last 5 years, I am pretty sure of that.
Jan 20 13:14:07 <lolcat`> Has Nokia made an official statement about the charger port?
Jan 20 13:15:03 <r00t|home> lolcat`: but if you bought the device used knowing it was already broken, that would seem pretty weak in court...
Jan 20 13:16:39 <lolcat`> r00t|home: Nope. When I buy a product  I know is covered by a warranty I can use it. I could just as easily ask the current ovner to take it to court, it will cost Nokia / the retailer the same amount
Jan 20 13:17:17 <r00t|home> i think the whole deal depends on the manufacturer's cooperation... and they aren't going to be cause they can't afford to, they would give you another new phone at best, and i don't think _actually_ going to could is worth the risk/hassle/investment
Jan 20 13:17:41 <lolcat`> Depends what she bougth it for
Jan 20 13:17:42 <ShadowJK> at one point some nokia care person on nokia conversations said it was a known fault or somethinga
Jan 20 13:17:46 <ShadowJK> and should be covered by warranty
Jan 20 13:18:02 <lolcat`> It is free to bring up a case for the consumer court
Jan 20 13:18:27 <lolcat`> And I've always wanted to own a company in consumer court, but every time I tell them I will bring them to it they back off :/
Jan 20 13:18:30 <r00t|home> lolcat`: well, WHY AREN'T YOU RICHT ALREADY THEN
Jan 20 13:18:47 <ShadowJK> http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-and-MeeGo-Devices/Nokia-responds-to-reports-about-the-N900-micro-usb-port-getting/td-p/629019/highlight/false
Jan 20 13:18:49 <r00t|home> *RICH
Jan 20 13:18:59 <lolcat`> In Norway you only get the products value + some intrest on the time spent in court
Jan 20 13:19:58 * RST38h sighs, /ignores, moos at ShadowJK
Jan 20 13:20:12 <ShadowJK> ?
Jan 20 13:21:05 <r00t|home> lolcat`: well, just buy any broken n900 you can find, and then sue, sue sue...
Jan 20 13:21:20 <lolcat`> And the hourely pay here is what 160NOK for unskilled labour, so I guess I will get a good hourely pay to complain for the phone. And if I am unlucky and the repair takes a long time I probably get to borrow some Android toy.
Jan 20 13:21:46 <lolcat`> r00t|home: Hehe, if they have the receipt, and I don't think it has to be broken, isn't most of them affected?
Jan 20 13:22:05 <r00t|home> <ShadowJK> So that's like 17.6% of people participating in that poll having usb port problems
Jan 20 13:27:21 <lolcat`> 17.6% knew at the time of the poll they where affected
Jan 20 13:28:02 <SpeedEvil> And possibly all the people that had had a failed USB port were linked to that thread by someone
Jan 20 13:28:06 <r00t|home> well, i guess 100% of devices are going to be affected if you don't treat the port with some care
Jan 20 13:28:07 <SpeedEvil> so it's overrepresented
Jan 20 13:28:51 <ShadowJK> It must be alot, because nokia care everywhere tells people that they ran out of spare parts for N900
Jan 20 13:28:54 <r00t|home> how about you buy a bunch of new n900s and do some experiementation to determine the forces it takes to break the connector, and _then_ sue nokia? ;)
Jan 20 13:29:10 <ShadowJK> there are no new N900
Jan 20 13:29:32 <r00t|home> that's the punchline, yes ;)
Jan 20 13:29:43 <ShadowJK> Another issue is the sheer amount of force required to remove the microusb plug when new
Jan 20 13:30:13 <r00t|home> the plug, not the connector, mind you ;)
Jan 20 13:30:32 <ShadowJK> ya
Jan 20 13:31:06 <ShadowJK> You could get a large size full coca cola bottle, 2Litre or so, wrap the charger cable around it, plug it into your N900, and lift the bottle with the plug in the port, facing straight down
Jan 20 13:31:11 <ShadowJK> :P
Jan 20 13:31:26 <SpeedEvil> Whatever turns you on.
Jan 20 13:31:29 <SpeedEvil> :)
Jan 20 13:32:23 <ShadowJK> I was in my car when I was trying to unplug phone from the nokia car charger, and I wasn't having much success. So I took a bottle out of the grocery shopping bag for a fun experiment :P
Jan 20 13:33:14 <r00t|home> ShadowJK: i was exactly suggesting to go a little more scientific on that... ;)
Jan 20 13:33:17 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Supreme Court rules public domain isn't permanent, says Congress can re-copyright works
Jan 20 13:33:28 <r00t|home> zOMG
Jan 20 13:33:48 <SpeedEvil> Barking mad.
Jan 20 13:34:29 <Corsac> well, it's a bit more complicated
Jan 20 13:34:41 <Corsac> in this case, it was PD in the US but not outside
Jan 20 13:46:56 <jaska> heh, i modded my microusb cables connectors to not have the "teeth" that lock it in even harder
Jan 20 14:04:25 <RST38h> Nokia's ever-expanding friendship with Microsoft means that come 2015, the Windows Phone platform will overtake Apple's iOS as the world's second most-favoured operating system after Android
Jan 20 14:05:11 <RST38h> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/20/microsoft_windows_phone_to_overtake_apple_ios_in_2015/   <== people who have never taken a class in probability theory should never be allowed to extrapolate
Jan 20 14:14:42 <bindi> hey
Jan 20 14:14:53 <bindi> i just got my n900 from service, what does it mean when i plug in the cord, it wont start?
Jan 20 14:14:58 <bindi> errr
Jan 20 14:15:04 <bindi> rather, it has an orange led constantly on
Jan 20 14:15:10 <Hurrian> it's charging
Jan 20 14:15:15 <Hurrian> but nolo's being retarded
Jan 20 14:15:37 <Hurrian> either that, or it's charging from critically low battery
Jan 20 14:15:40 <haltdef> needs a certain battery level to boot doesn't it
Jan 20 14:15:47 <bindi> yeah but usually charging is blinking
Jan 20 14:15:59 <Hurrian> yup, twl chip is charging it by itself
Jan 20 14:16:03 <haltdef> just brought the n900 out of retirement?
Jan 20 14:16:18 <Hurrian> it doesnt have enough battery to start up other hardware
Jan 20 14:16:18 <bindi> no, service, it was there for 2 weeks, was ready to pick up a week ago
Jan 20 14:16:32 <haltdef> ah right, I should lrn2read
Jan 20 14:16:54 <Hurrian> wait about 30 minutes
Jan 20 14:16:58 <bindi> i'll change to wall charger
Jan 20 14:17:01 <Hurrian> then unplug, plug it back in
Jan 20 14:17:32 <Hurrian> brb, gonna watch Eva
Jan 20 14:18:01 <bindi> now it actually vibrated and has faint nokia logo
Jan 20 14:18:12 <bindi> aaand blinking led
Jan 20 14:18:14 <bindi> good
Jan 20 14:18:18 <haltdef> yea, panic over
Jan 20 14:19:43 <haltdef> very strange, sent back a router to an ebay seller because it was the wrong model, seller sent the correct model, all was fine .. wrong model was just returned to me because he didn't collect it from his local post office after they couldn't deliver
Jan 20 14:20:01 <haltdef> he even paid for return postage as it was his mistake
Jan 20 14:20:55 <Hurrian> enjoy your new routers, then
Jan 20 14:21:50 <haltdef> positive feedback exchanged and return case resolved but I've sent him a message anyway, will send it back again but not at my expense :P
Jan 20 14:22:15 <haltdef> might just say forget it, router was only £30
Jan 20 14:22:35 <haltdef> ordered a wnr3500l and he sent a wnr3500 v2, worse spec
Jan 20 14:25:08 <bindi> are you fkn kidding me
Jan 20 14:25:24 <bindi> the screen has got err... junk behind the screen
Jan 20 14:25:29 <haltdef> ack
Jan 20 14:25:54 <bindi> they changed the lcd, it had those 2 white spots that many other do too, at the exact same spot
Jan 20 14:26:02 <bindi> they were hesitant to change it in the first place...
Jan 20 14:26:26 <haltdef> dead pixels?
Jan 20 14:27:52 <bindi> nope
Jan 20 14:28:10 <bindi> only visible on bright background
Jan 20 14:28:41 <guly> anyone here using backupmenu with ext2/3 on mydocs?
Jan 20 14:28:41 <bindi> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=955738&postcount=170
Jan 20 14:28:42 <r00t|home> uneven backlight?
Jan 20 14:29:05 <bindi> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=956232&postcount=171
Jan 20 14:29:28 <haltdef> mine's always had a bright spot
Jan 20 14:29:41 <haltdef> not that bad though, and only one :P
Jan 20 14:52:24 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2012/01/20/microsoft_windows_phone_to_overtake_apple_ios_in_2015/ <-- "Windows Phone to overtake iOS in 2015"
Jan 20 14:53:23 <haltdef> wishful thinking
Jan 20 15:01:42 <r00t|home> hard to decide which is better/worse
Jan 20 15:38:29 <khertan>  Harmattan	
Jan 20 15:38:30 <khertan>  armv7el
Jan 20 15:38:30 <khertan> succeeded <<< yOUHOU
Jan 20 15:38:30 <khertan> :)
Jan 20 15:44:17 <Macer> is there an easy way to get a range of a domain?
Jan 20 15:44:28 <Macer> ie: the IPs they have in their range for teh whole domain?
Jan 20 15:48:07 <r00t|home> you can't get a list of names that point to an ip, as there could be any number of them, other than by querying every nameserver in existance
Jan 20 15:48:08 <muelli> erm. what Macer?
Jan 20 15:48:47 <Macer> hm. i thought there was a simple way to get the range used by a domain
Jan 20 15:48:53 <r00t|home> other than maybe some (likely non-free commersion) service maintaining a database of such mappings
Jan 20 15:49:37 <r00t|home> Macer: you can look up some host in the domain, and then the range it's IP is from... for a company, the other IPs will likely be in the same range (the company's network)
Jan 20 15:50:05 <r00t|home> $ host maemo.org
Jan 20 15:50:06 <r00t|home> maemo.org has address 80.248.164.250
Jan 20 15:50:07 <r00t|home> $ whois 80.248.164.250
Jan 20 15:50:18 <r00t|home> inetnum:        80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.255
Jan 20 15:50:18 <r00t|home> netname:        FI-BILIA
Jan 20 15:50:18 <r00t|home> descr:          Logica Finland Oy / Datacentre services
Jan 20 15:52:01 <Macer> nice
Jan 20 15:52:03 <Macer> thanks
Jan 20 15:52:14 <r00t|home> so all we know now is that the server maemo.org points to is hosted at logica finland, which owns 80.248.164.224 - 80.248.164.255
Jan 20 15:52:31 <r00t|home> note that any subdomain might be hosted at a completely different network
Jan 20 15:52:51 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01/20/supremes_copyright/ <-- infinite copyright here we come
Jan 20 15:53:14 <r00t|home> bugs.maemo.org has address 80.248.164.252   <-- same network
Jan 20 16:02:27 <r00t|home> Macer: talk.maemo.org is on a completely different network, for example. (i guess the forum is bought as a service from another company)
Jan 20 19:24:42 <Z3ROC00L> hey peeps im having a few issues with queenbeecon , can anybody help ... http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1152827&postcount=1315
Jan 20 19:33:47 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dns talk.maemo.org
Jan 20 19:33:49 <infobot> talk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.247
Jan 20 19:34:07 <DocScrutinizer51> ~dns talk.maemo.org
Jan 20 19:34:08 <infobot> talk.maemo.org is 74.86.202.247
Jan 20 19:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> wow, amazing lags on 2G, I've sent 2nd ~dns before first answer reached me
Jan 20 20:40:56 <jonne> does anyone use SMSCON's remote server option?
Jan 20 20:41:18 <jonne> I'm not entirely sure if it's working the way it should
Jan 20 20:42:11 <jonne> i see it accessing my server in the logs, reading the command, but i don't get the e-mail it's supposed to send
Jan 20 20:42:23 <jonne> except after a reboot
Jan 20 20:59:07 * RST38h moos
Jan 20 23:31:09 <lachs_> ^ÂÊÎÔÛâêîôûĈĉĜĝĤĥĴĵŜŝŴŵŶŷˆ̭̂᷍ḒḓḘḙḼḽṊṋṰṱṶṷẐẑẤấẦầẨẩẪẫẬậẾếỀềỂểỄễỆệỐốỒồỔổỖỗỘộ⨣⨶⩯ꞈ＾󠁞
Jan 20 23:32:13 <Macer> uhm
Jan 20 23:32:20 <Macer> hi
Jan 20 23:32:48 <lachs_> (j #xchat
Jan 20 23:41:49 <DocScrutinizer> lachs_: wazzup?
Jan 20 23:41:58 <lachs_> nuffin
Jan 20 23:42:04 <lachs_> sup wif u?
Jan 20 23:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> WTF Ṷṷ ?
Jan 20 23:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> seems to show some rendering bug in either konveration, or generally KDE/X
Jan 20 23:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> actually those weird chars really seem to have underlength across whole following row
Jan 20 23:49:23 <lachs_> they don't
Jan 20 23:49:26 <lachs_> lrn2gtk
Jan 21 00:19:13 <DocScrutinizer> fsck, you killed xchat
Jan 21 00:20:58 <DocScrutinizer> and what for would I learn gtk?? :-S
Jan 21 00:21:35 <DocScrutinizer> I could kick you without knowing about gtk :-P
Jan 21 00:22:14 <Macer> well... sopa/pipa were pulled
Jan 21 00:22:25 <DocScrutinizer> of course you didn't PLAN to make my bouncer playback that crap each time  I restart xchat after it segfaulted
Jan 21 00:23:13 <Macer> huh?
Jan 21 00:26:02 <lachs_> DocScrutinizer, actually, i did
Jan 21 00:26:25 <DocScrutinizer> you're begging for a kickban? 
Jan 21 00:26:30 <lachs_> nope
Jan 21 00:26:32 <lachs_> just trolling
Jan 21 00:27:17 <lachs_> if i would beg for a kickban, i'd just post it again :3
Jan 21 00:28:34 <DocScrutinizer> well, doesn't matter how often you post it, you admitted you hoped for that crap messing all users' irc proxies, thus running a DOS attack against them
Jan 21 00:29:27 <lachs_> wtf man?
Jan 21 00:29:36 <lachs_> that's in NO WAY a ddos
Jan 21 00:30:26 <DocScrutinizer> of course not, you fool. As you can't be a multitude of entities, so where's the Distributed of DDoS?
Jan 21 00:30:53 <lachs_> s/dd/d/g
Jan 21 00:30:53 <infobot> lachs_ meant: that's in NO WAY a dos
Jan 21 00:31:05 <DocScrutinizer> it's just like I'd do this every time you try to log in:
Jan 21 00:31:47 * AIN2 grabs some popcorn.
Jan 21 00:31:49 <lachs_> but i don't try to login
Jan 21 00:31:59 <lachs_> also: i was just testing my unicode support
Jan 21 00:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Jan 21 00:32:38 <DocScrutinizer> fist telling you're up for trolling (and planning to poison my bouncer's buffer)
Jan 21 00:32:45 <DocScrutinizer> then lame excuses
Jan 21 00:32:58 <DocScrutinizer> while my xchat segfaults each time I restart it
Jan 21 00:33:02 <lachs_> i was trolling you by saying i was trolling when i wasn't
Jan 21 00:33:25 <lachs_> someone mad?
Jan 21 00:47:57 <marienz> DocScrutinizer: if you encounter more of these please prod me (or some other staffer if I'm not around)
Jan 21 00:48:41 <DocScrutinizer> marienz: sure thing
Jan 21 00:49:22 <marienz> (I caught him doing this elsewhere after he did it here (before I joined here), and told him to stop. He just tried again and has been removed from the network for the time being)
Jan 21 00:49:52 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
Jan 21 02:26:27 <Macer> hm
Jan 21 02:26:47 <Macer> anybody know the project that was attempting to remove X from linux in favor of fb ?
Jan 21 02:29:23 <jacekowski> android?
Jan 21 02:29:47 <gregoa> Macer: wayland?
Jan 21 02:31:37 <Macer> gregoa: possibly
Jan 21 02:34:56 <Macer> wayland seems like it would still use X
Jan 21 02:35:09 <Macer> android heh.. no :)
Jan 21 02:58:08 <Robot101> Macer: wayland won't still use X
Jan 21 02:58:19 <Robot101> directfb was some fb craziness, but wayland is much bettewr
Jan 21 02:58:43 <Robot101> corrects the architecture that makes compositing slow and painful in X
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