**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 02:59:57 2012 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 03:37:48 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 03:55:12 2012 Jan 26 08:11:35 Hi there. Jan 26 08:12:05 Does anyone know, how I could bind *left* alt somewhere on N900's hardware keyboard? Jan 26 08:12:21 i.e. which symbol to use, when defining alt in rx-51? Jan 26 08:12:49 * Estel_ meant code, not symbol. 'lalt' doesn't seem to work Jan 26 08:13:01 meta? Jan 26 08:17:53 ? what meta? Jan 26 08:18:39 * Estel_ meant this fot ^ DocScrutinizer answer Jan 26 08:19:49 I'm trying to achieve alt by rx-51 editing or .xbindkeysrc for "ages". Of course, rx-51 method would be preferred, but any will do. Jan 26 08:19:59 I don't quite get what You mean by 'meta'. Jan 26 08:21:42 nm Jan 26 10:41:14 Is it there a maemo port available for the N9? Jan 26 10:42:44 Ehm, it is kinda running maemo? :) Jan 26 10:42:55 X-Fade: "kinda" doesn't help me. Jan 26 10:43:02 Need a vim73 port to maemo~ Jan 26 10:43:16 Coke: Well what do you need? Jan 26 10:44:09 X-Fade: rotation zoom, flash, ability to uninstall skype, twitter and facebook apps, ability to use the full system without regitering accounts, etc. Jan 26 10:44:57 Coke: Well the only thing you don't have is flash. Jan 26 10:45:13 X-Fade: no, all the other things I mentioned are also missing. Jan 26 10:45:50 Coke: You can remove the icons, and these services don't run by default. Jan 26 10:45:57 So I don't know what you want more? Jan 26 10:46:09 X-Fade: I wrote a list just 2 minutes ago Jan 26 10:46:59 Whatever :) Jan 26 10:47:19 X-Fade: in order to remove the icons I have to get into developer mode. Jan 26 10:47:41 So? Jan 26 10:48:04 I can't do that on my phone for some unknown reason. Jan 26 10:48:41 Well, that is a whole other problem then. Jan 26 10:48:44 X-Fade: even so, it says a lot about the design of a system when skype and twitter are considered core packages. Jan 26 10:48:48 Maemo 5 is just better. Jan 26 10:49:14 They aren't core in a sense that they get used if you don't enable the accounts. Jan 26 10:50:20 X-Fade: they are core. Jan 26 10:50:24 can't remove the packages. Jan 26 10:50:28 But anyway, you should be able to enable developer mode. Jan 26 10:50:29 it is quite insane. Jan 26 10:50:56 I wonder why you'd want to remove them though? Jan 26 10:51:37 It says "installation interrupted" Jan 26 10:51:58 Which PR? Jan 26 10:52:03 X-Fade: because I don't use them and would like to free up space and not be bothered having unused icons take up desktop space Jan 26 10:52:07 X-Fade: PR? Jan 26 10:52:12 Release Jan 26 10:52:20 i dunno, the one that came with the phone Jan 26 10:53:01 default. Jan 26 10:53:01 That doesn't tell me anything :) Jan 26 10:53:07 In any case, the big question is WHY I'm not allowed to remove them. Why and who would design the package deps to make core depend on twitter? Jan 26 10:53:07 settings -> device should tell you Jan 26 10:53:58 where? Jan 26 10:54:00 It is just a way of distributing a fixed set of packages, so you know that everything which gets compiled against your sdk actually is available. Jan 26 10:54:01 its just another menu. Jan 26 10:54:19 X-Fade: I don't think things like twitter should be part of a "core API" Jan 26 10:54:36 Coke: Seeting->about product Jan 26 10:54:39 if it is, it should be in the form of libraries that are compact and invisible Jan 26 10:54:42 *settings Jan 26 10:55:03 What do you need rootfs space for anyway :) Jan 26 10:55:08 meego 1.2 harmattan Jan 26 10:55:21 version? Jan 26 10:55:29 X-Fade: it's just really poor design to make high level apps that should be optional part of the core Jan 26 10:55:43 10.2011.34-1.339.01.2_PR_339 Jan 26 10:55:55 Coke: Upgrade to PR1.1 Jan 26 10:56:11 what version do I have now? Jan 26 10:56:14 339? Jan 26 10:56:15 You are running an ancient version Jan 26 10:56:17 PR1.0 Jan 26 10:56:23 how can you tell? Jan 26 10:56:30 The 10 at the beginning Jan 26 10:56:52 http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Blogs/blog/n9-developer/2012/01/23/harmattan-version-numbering-explained Jan 26 10:57:10 Yes, why use the actual version string, like PR1.0, when you can obfuscate. Jan 26 10:57:35 It also shows you the PR there. Jan 26 10:58:07 X-Fade: I've never seen a package or version in any linux distribution that need version numbering explained. It's just the number and simetimes a build and/or date.' Jan 26 10:58:37 updating now Jan 26 11:00:22 as for my original question, if it's possible to get Maemo on the N9, I'd still rather have that work. Jan 26 11:00:33 It is maemo 6. Jan 26 11:00:46 You want maemo 5 back I guess? Jan 26 11:00:53 Ofcourse, it's better. Jan 26 11:00:53 Then no, not possible. Jan 26 11:01:06 Maemo 6 is MeeGo? Jan 26 11:01:39 the n9 runs a weird version of maemo6 with a meego ui Jan 26 11:01:40 N9 just runs Maemo 5 evolved, so let's call it Maemo 6 :) Jan 26 11:02:12 X-Fade: devolved Jan 26 11:02:12 Marketing might say something different however :D Jan 26 11:02:21 It has less features and is less flexible than maemo 5 Jan 26 11:02:38 i wonder if killing the nokia internet tabled was microsoft's plan all along or if it was just a side bonus Jan 26 11:02:43 *tablet Jan 26 11:03:07 X-Fade: the rotation zoom is way way superior to the two finger pinch Jan 26 11:03:19 X-Fade: I also liked the fact that it was just a deb system on my phone Jan 26 11:03:39 package repos had a good dependency design, it certainly wasnt depending on Twitter Jan 26 11:03:43 well, harmattan still has apt, doesn't it? Jan 26 11:03:50 Coke: Yeah, well I just use one fixed finger on the screen and then one to move and it zooms. Jan 26 11:03:50 either that or rpm Jan 26 11:04:03 X-Fade: rotation is superior, period Jan 26 11:04:07 Coke: It still uses deb. Jan 26 11:04:09 Coke: buttons are superior Jan 26 11:04:19 and you can do whatever you want with apt, even crappy dependencies Jan 26 11:04:23 or solving sokoban Jan 26 11:04:46 The rotation zoom was the one thing that made iphone users secretly wish they could change one thing with their phone Jan 26 11:04:58 Coke: then why did i disable it? :o Jan 26 11:05:04 no matter how much ppl claim "you can still do a pinch with one hand" it is not as ergonomic and intuitive as the rotation Jan 26 11:05:12 doubletap to zoom is superior, and failing that is buttons Jan 26 11:05:13 I just double tap on the paragraph to be honest. Jan 26 11:05:17 It then autozooms. Jan 26 11:05:23 and if you're using the n900 with one hand, you're doing it wrong Jan 26 11:05:26 X-Fade: workarounds workarounds. Jan 26 11:05:41 Coke: Nah, because that is a lot faster. Jan 26 11:05:41 Coke: no, seriously, spiral to zoom is horrible Jan 26 11:05:43 kerio: for most use cases I am Jan 26 11:05:49 kerio: no, seriously, it's awesome Jan 26 11:05:59 well then clearly it's not as one-sided as you think Jan 26 11:06:11 kerio: well, I know one thing for certain, two finger pinch is worse Jan 26 11:06:14 Anyway, time to do some real work, later. Jan 26 11:06:21 Coke: that's why you use *buttons* Jan 26 11:06:27 having to use only one finger is superior to having to use two Jan 26 11:06:29 or doubletapping Jan 26 11:06:38 i wouldn't know about that, i use the keyboard Jan 26 11:06:46 kerio: but you dont need double tap or buttons if you have rotation Jan 26 11:07:01 Coke: except that rotation fucks up my pages when i scroll them Jan 26 11:07:12 kerio: that's no fault of the rotation, it's a software problem Jan 26 11:07:18 the concept of the rotation is still good Jan 26 11:07:32 how do you distinguish a scroll in a circular way from a zooming? Jan 26 11:07:34 kerio: as of late my N900 is doing all sorts of crazy stuff, the screen in particular seems to be failing Jan 26 11:07:44 kerio: what do you scroll circular? Jan 26 11:07:46 Coke: mine is falling apart a bit :( Jan 26 11:07:53 it happened to me more than once Jan 26 11:08:02 kerio: but I agree that the keyboard is the best feature of any phone Jan 26 11:08:10 Coke: the thing is that even under warranty, nokia won't repair it Jan 26 11:08:17 they just replace it with a worse phone that costs more Jan 26 11:08:18 N9, worse camera, worse battery life, no keyboard and not as good OS Jan 26 11:08:24 so you have to sell that and buy another new n900 Jan 26 11:08:29 kerio: I know Jan 26 11:08:33 this is why I own an N9 Jan 26 11:08:42 i can't stand not having a physical keyboard Jan 26 11:08:50 I didn't even read all the reviews that said "significantly worse than it's predecessor" Jan 26 11:08:50 so i'll just buy a milestone 4 once it's out in europe Jan 26 11:08:57 kerio: what's that? Jan 26 11:09:04 the US' droid 4 Jan 26 11:09:07 motorola Jan 26 11:09:10 android ._. Jan 26 11:09:16 meh, i want a proper Linux so I can run my Python applications on my phone Jan 26 11:09:34 Coke: a dumbphone + an openpandora Jan 26 11:09:42 kerio: I've been looking at openmoko Jan 26 11:09:51 openmoko is too old for any meaningful thing Jan 26 11:10:45 kerio: the only thing I like about the N9 is the color and form factor. I wouldn't mind running pandora on it Jan 26 11:11:03 Coke: i meant the physical openpandora :) Jan 26 11:11:19 kerio: all these geek phones have terrible form factors Jan 26 11:11:32 well it's good, because the openpandora is not a phone :D Jan 26 11:11:41 and the droid 4 is basically a new razr with a keyboard Jan 26 11:11:47 kerio: I would have bought pandora if it had a sim card holder Jan 26 11:11:55 complain to DocScrutinizer for that Jan 26 11:11:56 the workaround was to "use my n900 as a theather" Jan 26 11:11:59 DocScrutinizer: ;) Jan 26 11:12:15 I would have easily paid $1000 for openpandora if it had 3G capability Jan 26 11:13:16 isn't the omap3530 a bit old nowadays? Jan 26 11:13:36 I don't care about how old something is. The N900 is old, it's still the best phone on the market. Jan 26 11:13:47 And Maemo 5 is still the best phone OS. Jan 26 11:13:49 i'm not so convinced about that Jan 26 11:13:51 specs *do* matter Jan 26 11:14:11 how is it the best Jan 26 11:14:21 the best one would be a phone that runs debian/arch/gentoo out of the box Jan 26 11:14:24 How about N950? Jan 26 11:14:29 g0phette: the best that exists Jan 26 11:14:33 LaoLang_cool: what is that? Jan 26 11:14:35 without some hodpodge of massively out of date half-proprietary forks of dbus/ofono stuff Jan 26 11:14:35 LaoLang_cool: go ahead, try to buy one Jan 26 11:14:46 kerio: ;p Jan 26 11:14:59 oh, N950, no keyboard and no maemo 5 Jan 26 11:15:09 Coke: no, keyboard Jan 26 11:15:10 :) Jan 26 11:15:15 Does it have? Jan 26 11:15:16 Coke: I heard that it's a n9 with a keyboard, only for developer Jan 26 11:15:26 n9009's kbd is popping bubblewrap compared to iphone's onscreen ease imo Jan 26 11:15:29 id happly get rid of it Jan 26 11:15:29 Oh. that new OS is still shit tho. Jan 26 11:15:41 g0phette: popping bubblewrap is *good* Jan 26 11:15:44 :3 Jan 26 11:15:47 All I want is a terminal per default, no twitter, no facebook and no skype Jan 26 11:15:49 theres always bluetooth/usb kbds for srs typing Jan 26 11:15:59 g0phette: FOAD please Jan 26 11:16:04 FOAD? Jan 26 11:16:08 Fuck Off And Die Jan 26 11:16:10 provide a dictionary if youre going to suggest suff Jan 26 11:16:10 g0phette: I don't know why the phone OS cant just be like any linux dist. Jan 26 11:16:15 but in a nicer way Jan 26 11:16:18 :) Jan 26 11:16:33 because big companies and the MBAs at them dont think like us Jan 26 11:16:37 g0phette: all they have to do is make a good WM, no need to fork everything Jan 26 11:16:42 they saw mobile as a clean slate to tightly couple service stacks and all sorts of new ass-rape Jan 26 11:16:54 g0phette: agreed. I like you. Jan 26 11:17:25 you put things down so elegantly Jan 26 11:17:48 I would describe apple as "ass-rape" and to me, the N9 is Nokia's way of trying to immitate iphone. Jan 26 11:18:49 also, I'm pretty sure it's the same old packaging on the N9 as it was on the N900. Still takes way too long to install and upgrade packages. Jan 26 11:19:00 (it was the only downside w maemo 5, the packaging took forever) Jan 26 11:19:12 well apt is not exactly an example of speed Jan 26 11:19:13 hrm, n900's flash is slow Jan 26 11:19:18 apt-get is insanely fast on a JB'd ipad Jan 26 11:19:22 it feels like desktop speeds Jan 26 11:19:26 sad as it is :/ Jan 26 11:19:47 actually, apt is slow compared to other packaging ive tried Jan 26 11:19:53 i prefer PAludis Jan 26 11:19:57 or pacman.. Jan 26 11:20:04 actually, theres 'packer', which is faster than yaourt & pacman Jan 26 11:20:10 yast and apt are the slowest I've tried. pacman is cool Jan 26 11:20:24 it has a bit of an upstart time scanning local packages, but once thats done its fast Jan 26 11:21:01 kerio: i hit wrong keys a ton on iphone, but never on n900 Jan 26 11:21:10 i was sorta joking abotu HW kbd. id take anything that ran Debian/Mer anymore Jan 26 11:21:28 I was so looking forward to the four row qwerty keyboard Jan 26 11:21:46 I outtype anyone using two thumbs on the 3-row, so I can only imgagine how fast i would type on the 4 row Jan 26 11:21:47 how many N950s do you think are made, 10,000 ? Jan 26 11:22:00 it seems like 1000 would be a bare minimum Jan 26 11:22:05 and only 250-300 are accounted for? Jan 26 11:22:16 they're still not going to sell them Jan 26 11:22:23 they want you to buy w7 phones Jan 26 11:22:44 its in MSFT's contract you cant do open bootloaders with W7 phones Jan 26 11:22:50 so we can forget about harmattan on any of them etc Jan 26 11:23:01 burro: I think you can pretty much forget about Nokia altogether Jan 26 11:23:11 yep Jan 26 11:23:15 Nokia had a chance to get into the niche geek market, but htey blew it Jan 26 11:23:21 i have more hope for a 5" ARchos G9 series and Mer Jan 26 11:23:28 there was a 4.3" archos at one point, hopefully its updated Jan 26 11:23:36 Instead they are trying to immitate Apple, which will fail because anybody who thinks they want an iPhone really only wants an iPhone, not a Nokia with win. Jan 26 11:23:39 already due to T-mo caps i ended up goin 4G mifi and VOIP Jan 26 11:24:02 and normal users want "Apps" Jan 26 11:24:25 dont even have hope for Tizen, since it would need an Android emulator Jan 26 11:24:30 and why not just run normal android tat that point Jan 26 11:25:01 well, i have hope that perhaps Tizen's kernel could run non-HTML5 stuff like GTK/QT apps from OpenMoko/Maemo Jan 26 11:26:34 Looks like the N950 was replaced by the N9 as a product. Jan 26 11:26:56 n9 was 500 on amazon last i checked, originally 699ish Jan 26 11:27:02 maybe theyll blow out for 1/2 that soon Jan 26 11:27:23 how bad is Harmattan? its still Xorg or QT right to framebuff? Jan 26 11:27:47 burro: I don't know about it's graphical backend, but Harmattan is shit. Jan 26 11:30:01 burro: if I could get a terminal up I could tell you. However, the Maemo 5 window system is much better. Jan 26 11:30:09 harmattan is best :) Jan 26 11:30:13 loving my n9 Jan 26 11:30:40 im sick of unable to upgrade stuff on maemo to debian-sid levels of freshness Jan 26 11:30:54 due to the birdsnest-interconectedness of dbus/pulse stuff and proprietary bits Jan 26 11:31:05 i am sure n9 would be the same story, no thanks Jan 26 11:31:27 burro: yeah, I'd like to see a clean dist used on the phoens. Jan 26 11:31:50 When you start your phone the first time you only get a blank X11 (or wayland) desktop, nothing else Jan 26 11:31:55 its simple , donate your drivers to vanilla linux. use matchbox or illume, dont push 'differentiation' Jan 26 11:32:00 eveyrone wants to 'differentiate' Jan 26 11:32:08 how about.. conform.. to the trunk Jan 26 11:32:24 heheh, there would be like you two using that kind of phone Jan 26 11:32:51 and eventually you would get and support IRC channell full of whiners anyway Jan 26 11:33:23 there's a market for geek stuff. Jan 26 11:33:36 and yes, the market for iphone-immitations is bigger, but iphone already exists. Jan 26 11:34:33 yes, i am geek, using N9 and don't have iphone :) Jan 26 11:34:37 petteri: I can't even get a terminal on my N9 Jan 26 11:35:03 Coke: i got on mine, was not really that hard Jan 26 11:35:25 petteri: you need developer mode to get it and unfortunately my phone does not allow me to use developer mode for some unknown reason Jan 26 11:36:03 Coke: maybe you should ask for replacement Jan 26 11:36:05 and because the N9 is designed for idiots, the error message is simply "installation interrupted". no need to tell why, the normal user wouldnt use developer mode anyway Jan 26 11:36:20 petteri: replaced with what? Jan 26 11:36:23 Coke: reflash and try again Jan 26 11:36:27 Coke: with working one Jan 26 11:36:43 petteri: a working one involves maemo 5 and a physical keyboard Jan 26 11:36:50 heh Jan 26 11:36:53 yes indeed Jan 26 11:37:09 but even the few few functions that the N9 has (compared to N900) don't work properly Jan 26 11:38:12 just suggested that you should return if you have faulty one Jan 26 11:58:47 petteri: I'm going to call them as soon as lunch is over Jan 26 13:32:52 blubb Jan 26 13:40:44 anyone know how to import multiple recipes from website into pyrecipe? Jan 26 14:35:56 has anyone here used pyrecipe? I'm trying to import multiple recipes Jan 26 14:58:51 badcloud: it uses sqlite database, so I think you could always write a simple import script Jan 26 15:12:10 hi Jan 26 15:23:07 edheldil: thanks Jan 26 15:28:55 damn this QT code is hard to understand Jan 26 15:30:20 all this signals and slots and transitions and stuff Jan 26 15:30:38 I wonder how relevant the QT book sitting on my bookshelf is to all this... Jan 26 15:52:05 edheldil: you don't happen to know any mastercook/mealmaster/krecipe file archives, do you? Jan 26 15:53:23 nope, sorry Jan 26 17:01:32 North Korea is holding a 100-day-long "mourning period" for the late madman Kim Jong-il. Part of the festivities include a cell phone moratorium, transgressors against which "will be branded as 'war criminals' and punished accordingly," The Telegraph reports. Jan 26 17:28:08 RST38h: In North Korea, cellphone brands you! Jan 26 17:32:09 hi all, I'm trying to install skype on my n900. I couldn't find it in the app-manager, but with apt-cache I see skype-installer. Trying to install this I get: E: Handler silently failed Jan 26 17:32:52 isn't skype installed by default? Jan 26 17:33:07 but skype should be preinstalled Jan 26 17:33:32 I thought so as well, but I don't see it in the application menu Jan 26 17:35:06 btw, I sent my n900 back to nokia once for a hardware issue and they reflashed it. maybe they flashed a version without skype? Jan 26 17:37:21 dreamer: you don't see it in menu, it launches when you call skype contact, for example Jan 26 17:37:32 AFAIK Skype isn't an application on n900, it's a protocol in the instant messaging app. Jan 26 17:37:57 hmmm Jan 26 17:38:06 how can I log in to skype then? Jan 26 17:38:10 or add a contact? Jan 26 17:38:18 Ad an IM account Jan 26 17:38:26 in config Jan 26 17:38:41 dreamer: Add a Skype IM account through the ... yes, the spanner-iconed settings menu. Jan 26 17:38:46 then you can add skype names for your contacts as well Jan 26 17:38:55 skype-installer is installed on mine, fwiw Jan 26 17:39:12 apt-cache search skype Jan 26 17:39:17 do you see it? Jan 26 17:39:21 ah, I see it now :) Jan 26 17:39:33 jonne: I don't think it's installed Jan 26 17:39:38 I don't know Jan 26 17:39:45 but I see skype as a service in the settinngs Jan 26 17:39:46 is it listed in IM accounts and stuff? Jan 26 17:39:53 yeah, that's what you need Jan 26 17:40:12 skype isn't a seperate app on the n900, it's fully integrated with everything else Jan 26 17:40:17 pretty sweet, actually Jan 26 17:41:28 i wish they did the same thing on desktop Linux, instead of having their full app Jan 26 17:42:05 Is it as bad on desktop Linux as it is on Windows? Jan 26 17:42:41 i don't have a webcam so i haven't used it a lot, but it's got its own tray icon and stuff Jan 26 17:42:56 and it's pretty ugly Jan 26 17:42:57 I should put my skype password in my keepass, I never use it and always forget -_- Jan 26 17:43:45 there's ways to make a bridge between skype en empathy on the desktop too, but i never looked into it Jan 26 17:43:53 i just use the n900 for skyping Jan 26 17:44:46 i'm waiting for confirmation that the N9 will get skype video calling before i buy it **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 17:46:57 2012 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jan 26 17:48:20 2012 Jan 26 17:48:27 protip: you can sort your contacts by availability, and it doubles as a buddy list Jan 26 17:49:58 jonne: check, thnx :) Jan 26 17:50:07 no idea if the video chat will work .. Jan 26 17:50:13 it works Jan 26 17:50:22 well, it doesn't check with the test call ;) Jan 26 17:50:24 but the front camera is pretty shitty Jan 26 17:50:28 uhuh Jan 26 17:50:48 well, a friend is going to call tonight, and I think he has some mail and stuff .. I think the screen will be a tad too small ;) Jan 26 17:52:36 skype can also do international calls for less money Jan 26 17:53:14 buy skype credits, and you can call regular numbers over skype Jan 26 17:53:23 I know what skype is Jan 26 17:53:32 i mean skype on maemo Jan 26 17:53:36 supports it too Jan 26 17:53:43 well, I'm guessing it's the exact same thing Jan 26 17:53:48 just differently intergrated Jan 26 17:53:59 it's pretty nice I must say. although a separate contact list would've been better Jan 26 17:54:00 some stuff isn't supported, like conference alling Jan 26 17:54:05 *calling Jan 26 17:54:06 ok Jan 26 17:54:13 that's a little unfortunate Jan 26 17:58:36 jonne: can you only sign uit in the settings? Jan 26 17:58:55 not sure what android and iOS' implementations suppor Jan 26 17:59:02 yeah Jan 26 17:59:39 not really practical if you want to sign out often, i just leave all my IM stuff on Jan 26 19:50:00 Hi Maemo Jan 26 19:50:30 Does anyone know, how to map *left* alt to some button in N900'*s hardware keyboard? Jan 26 19:51:07 I'll be satisfied with either rx-51 editing or .xbindkeysrc, but of course, rx-51 is preferred Jan 26 19:51:53 I have no idea where to check syntax of left alt accepted in rx-51 mapping file Jan 26 19:52:12 that would not result in errors after setxkbmap * Jan 26 20:03:15 * guap31 estoy en www.sex-all.com [ HOla quieres verme www.sex-all.com ] [1hr 4mins] Jan 26 20:11:15 * guap31 estoy en www.sex-all.com [ HOla quieres verme www.sex-all.com ] [1hr 12mins] Jan 26 20:13:39 Oh, for the love of f*#@ Jan 26 20:14:03 er Jan 26 20:19:15 * guap31 estoy en www.sex-all.com [ HOla quieres verme www.sex-all.com ] [1hr 20mins] Jan 26 20:21:37 wonna kick him? Jan 26 20:27:15 * guap31 estoy en www.sex-all.com [ HOla quieres verme www.sex-all.com ] [1hr 28mins] Jan 26 20:30:16 sigh, kick this guy Jan 26 20:30:44 who, me? Jan 26 20:31:41 no. Jan 26 20:33:19 is speedpatch any good? Jan 26 20:33:31 i heard it can make more batteries Jan 26 20:33:43 i installed it, along with batterypatch Jan 26 20:33:52 don't notice a huge difference, tbh Jan 26 20:34:03 YMMV with those things Jan 26 20:38:36 *snort* Jan 26 21:24:51 I'm searching for a headset, which works good with n900 maemo5 Jan 26 21:26:06 na701 works quite well Jan 26 21:27:45 either original n900 headset if you want buttons to work Jan 26 21:27:49 or any other headset Jan 26 21:28:33 bh-101 just works Jan 26 21:29:28 * NIN101 doesn't Jan 26 21:29:35 (bad joke) Jan 26 21:31:08 :) Jan 26 22:41:09 python in a nutshell... Jan 26 22:41:53 http://udp.soup.io/post/198224945/Image Jan 26 22:42:40 http://i.imgur.com/4wDh6.png Jan 26 22:42:45 bigger Jan 26 22:57:05 batterypatch? isn't that the big hoax? Jan 26 22:58:43 there's been this guy who did insane things like evacuate sqlite db etc, and claimed it would make your N900 300% faster and user a tenth of batery, alas nobody except him could understand *how* it would do that Jan 26 23:04:01 maemo's ramdoubler (C)Kim Schmitz Jan 26 23:07:09 lol Jan 26 23:11:45 hey everyone, just got a N9 and maemo.org helped me a lot already, thanks Jan 26 23:12:35 :) Jan 26 23:13:16 have one issue, though - tried flashing a non-branded Central Europe version of PR1.1, as of course the branded one is PR1.0 and no update Jan 26 23:13:30 flasher went fine, but nothing changed in the phone? Jan 26 23:13:56 any ideas? I've cleared the phone now (via the "clear" option in settings) Jan 26 23:14:08 waiting for it to clear now (15 minutes, btw? wth?) Jan 26 23:18:07 dunno what the 'clear' options does Jan 26 23:18:20 mgedmin, it's supposed to clear out all user data Jan 26 23:18:23 but flash secure erase can take 20-30 minutes with th eflasher Jan 26 23:18:26 i.e. factory state Jan 26 23:18:34 maybe that's it Jan 26 23:18:58 incidentally there's also #9 and #harmattan Jan 26 23:19:01 it just tries to _really_ get rid of the data Jan 26 23:19:02 err #n9, I meant Jan 26 23:19:49 thanks mgedmin, just came to the first place where I knew I would find some friendly souls Jan 26 23:20:18 I'm not actually paying a lot of attention to these things Jan 26 23:20:26 but #harmattan seems to be more alive than #n9 Jan 26 23:20:50 and people rarely discuss the N9 in #maemo (maybe they don't want to make other people envious? ;-) Jan 26 23:21:49 probably quite some people have them here, and the N950s Jan 26 23:22:12 or maybe it's common sense that N9 has harmattan which is less of maemo than meego ever been Jan 26 23:24:10 actually I think the main reason for an own channel for harmattan is that you don't have to repeat in each post "this is about harmattan, NOT about fremantle" Jan 26 23:26:05 might be Jan 26 23:26:43 thanks anyway, seems it upgraded fine in the end Jan 26 23:33:31 to me harmattan still feels like maemo, although officially it's been renamed Jan 26 23:34:04 mgedmin, yeah, kind of why I came here and to maemo.org Jan 26 23:34:21 especially now that meego is officially scratched, the maemo community seems to be the only future for harmattan Jan 26 23:34:22 to people who have to port their hildon/gtk apps it may feel different Jan 26 23:38:21 maemo community harm's future? bwahahaha Jan 26 23:38:57 to people using xterm it surely feels different Jan 26 23:53:21 DocScrutinizer, only, doesn't mean bright Jan 27 02:41:01 ping DocScrutinizer **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Jan 27 02:59:57 2012