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Feb 11 05:06:16 <mattcen> Hi all. I'd like to reflash my N900 (first time), but am paranoid I'll use the wrong images. I got my N900 in Australia, so I assume I need RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin. Could anybody confirm this please?
Feb 11 05:07:11 <Hurrian> yes
Feb 11 05:07:18 <Hurrian> that would be correct.
Feb 11 05:07:54 <mattcen> Awesome. And I flash with VANILLA, followed immediately by COMBINED?
Feb 11 05:08:20 <Hurrian> yes.
Feb 11 05:09:08 <mattcen> Cool. Thanks Hurrian.
Feb 11 05:09:23 * mattcen prepares to get started. I always get nervous when flashing any sort of firmware :S
Feb 11 05:28:34 <beford> ~firmware
Feb 11 05:28:35 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, firmware is hardware that is beginning to melt  Firmware for GrandStream phones is at http://www.hellofone.com/files/
Feb 11 05:28:46 <beford> ~updating
Feb 11 05:28:52 <beford> ~flashing
Feb 11 05:28:52 <infobot> maemo-flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Feb 11 05:28:56 <beford> :d
Feb 11 05:29:54 <mattcen> That hellofone link is obsilete :)
Feb 11 05:29:59 <mattcen> obsolete*
Feb 11 05:30:12 <Macer> heh
Feb 11 05:30:35 <Macer> most things are obsolete
Feb 11 05:30:49 <Macer> i'm surprised nokia is still hosting maemo.org
Feb 11 05:31:25 <Macer> you would think after preparing to fire thousands of workers and moving all its factories to asia to make flimsy disgusting future phones that they would cut corners anywhere they could
Feb 11 05:33:20 <Macer> why the hell are e7s so expensive all of a sudden?
Feb 11 05:35:32 <Macer> i was waiting for it to hit 300 and it shot back up past 400
Feb 11 05:35:33 <Macer> heh
Feb 11 06:15:56 * mattcen wipes his brow. Well that flash was relatively painless.
Feb 11 06:25:49 <mattcen> Odd. After flashing and subsequently connecting to my wifi AP, it doesn't seem to retrieve a DNS server via DHCP...
Feb 11 06:28:42 <mattcen> Ah, nevermind; looks like I was just doing it wrong
Feb 11 06:32:14 <mattcen> So So it's a bit unclear. Should I do a full package update from the default Nokia repos before installing the Community SSU?
Feb 11 06:35:07 <Hurrian> no need to do so.
Feb 11 06:36:16 <mattcen> OK then. Thanks.
Feb 11 07:25:02 <Macer> i still have to flash my n810 lol
Feb 11 07:25:10 <Macer> and figure out how to get debian on it
Feb 11 07:25:34 <Macer> some of these mini-itx boards are amazing
Feb 11 07:25:38 <Macer> i need to build one soon
Feb 11 07:25:41 <Macer> maybe 2
Feb 11 07:26:04 <Macer> they have an intel one that goes up to 7GB and an quad core i5
Feb 11 07:26:12 <Macer> in a mini-itx.. that's great
Feb 11 07:26:16 <Macer> wonder how much power that would eat up
Feb 11 07:47:05 <Gear_> hey how do I read a hard drive with H-E-N once it's mounted
Feb 11 07:47:37 <Gear_> I looked at the kernel messages and it detected the right drive etc, but I can't find out how to access it...
Feb 11 07:49:48 <Gear_> I look through file manager and nothing
Feb 11 07:57:43 <mattcen> Having installed the stable version of CSSU, am I able to safely upgrade to the devel release?
Feb 11 07:58:06 <mattcen> s/devel/testing/
Feb 11 07:58:06 <infobot> mattcen meant: Having installed the stable version of CSSU, am I able to safely upgrade to the testing release?
Feb 11 07:59:06 <mattcen> Oh that is cool.
Feb 11 08:05:36 <Hurrian> yes
Feb 11 08:05:42 <Hurrian> but you cannot go backwards
Feb 11 08:06:21 <Hurrian> well you can, but you have to do it manually, risking breaking config files.
Feb 11 08:10:15 <Gear_> how do you know if a drive has mounted properly using h-e-n
Feb 11 08:54:08 <Sicelo>  /sb enc
Feb 11 08:54:18 <Sicelo> sorry for spam
Feb 11 08:55:43 <Sicelo> Gear_: i assume u found out by now... if not: when u hit mount, there's a brief dialog that confirms mounting, and shows u the mount point. u could also check in terminal by running 'mount'. even File Manager shows the connected drive
Feb 11 09:19:52 <RST38h> Meanwhile: Twenty-one German soldiers entombed in a perfectly preserved World War One shelter have been discovered 94 years after they were killed.
Feb 11 09:24:09 <Macer> wow
Feb 11 09:24:33 * SpeedEvil ponders linking to 'Iron Sky'.
Feb 11 09:25:06 <Macer> i wonder what the shelter looked like
Feb 11 09:25:20 <Macer> they should turn it into a museum.. was it a large bunker type shelter?
Feb 11 09:28:33 <RST38h> Enjoy http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/9074336/German-soldiers-preserved-in-World-War-I-shelter-discovered-after-nearly-100-years.html
Feb 11 09:29:01 <RST38h> There is a similar shelter museum in Moscow, minus the cadavers of course
Feb 11 09:30:52 <SpeedEvil> '  Even the skeleton of a goat was found, assumed to be a source of fresh milk    for the soldiers.  ' - right.
Feb 11 09:39:07 <Macer> heh
Feb 11 09:57:30 <jaska> fresh milk... or something else
Feb 11 10:02:43 <Macer> fresh sex
Feb 11 10:02:45 <Macer> :)
Feb 11 10:02:56 <mattcen> Thanks Hurrian, you've been very helpful. Another question: I went to add the maemo extras-{testing,devel} to my App catalogue, but noticed they were already there but disabled.
Feb 11 10:03:42 <mattcen> (I assume they were installed by the CSSU, but they may've been put there when I restored my backup). Anybody know of a reason I *shouldn't* re-enable them? (e.g. conflicts with CSSU?)
Feb 11 10:04:51 <Macer> usually i only enable them when there is an app i really want that is only in testing or dev
Feb 11 10:05:09 <mattcen> Macer: And then disable it once you've downloaded the app?
Feb 11 10:05:17 <Macer> yes usually :) 
Feb 11 10:05:29 <Macer> i found a mass update of apps already installed seems to cause problems eventually
Feb 11 10:06:05 <RST38h> ...No teddy bears are to be allowed in Site 24 to prevent any confusion or mistaken identity. Any object that resembles a teddy bear is to be reported to the security team immediately...
Feb 11 10:06:06 <mattcen> Cool, I might give that a go then. I was just going through my list of previously installed packages and found several small but incredibly useful ones that aren't available outside extras-testing or -devel.
Feb 11 10:07:06 <Macer> lol
Feb 11 10:07:10 <Macer> those damn teddy bears
Feb 11 10:07:51 <RST38h> ...Subject resembles a teddy bear similar in size and shape to SCP-1048, but is made entirely out of human ears. Witnesses interviewed said it appeared as if SCP-1048 was giving a tour to the "newcomer"...
Feb 11 10:08:37 * mattcen feels like he's missed something fundamental about how the topic of teddy bears arose...
Feb 11 10:12:40 <Macer> RST38h: wtf?
Feb 11 10:12:53 <Macer> made entirely out of human ears? :)
Feb 11 10:13:04 <Gear_> sicelo, this drive isn't mounting then
Feb 11 10:13:21 <Gear_> it should :/
Feb 11 10:13:45 <Gear_> it detected it as the proper drive and stuff but nothing showed up in file manager
Feb 11 10:13:50 <RST38h> Macer: http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-1048
Feb 11 10:18:49 <Macer> lmao!
Feb 11 10:18:52 <Macer> someone has to make a movie of that
Feb 11 10:18:55 <Macer> resident evil style
Feb 11 10:19:07 <Macer> killer teddy bears made of human ears
Feb 11 10:34:46 <originalserver> I am selling dedicated servers in different countries, only windows xp, 2003,2008, seven! write who need them.
Feb 11 10:45:36 <RST38h> Macer: If people start making moviesof every SCP object listed on the site, the horror movie industry will quickly go out of business
Feb 11 10:45:59 <RST38h> originalserver: I need one with Slackware Linux could you please send me
Feb 11 10:46:55 <originalserver> sorry only windows
Feb 11 10:56:42 <RST38h> mhm
Feb 11 11:07:18 <DocScrutinizer> guys, it seems a lot of users in this chan don't appreciate massive OT
Feb 11 11:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> user count down to 270 :-/
Feb 11 11:11:12 * DocScrutinizer just wonders if massive silence after forbidding any OT would just make another hundred users /part
Feb 11 11:11:30 <DocScrutinizer> and FFS infobot offline again
Feb 11 11:16:05 <psychologe> how much people use N900 in 201w
Feb 11 11:16:08 <psychologe> how much people use N900 in 2012
Feb 11 11:16:28 * RST38h still uses n900
Feb 11 11:16:57 <RST38h> would move to n950, if weren't afraid to damage it, it is too precious =)
Feb 11 11:17:34 <psychologe> i like python,so i select N900
Feb 11 11:18:19 <NIN101> still many psychologe.
Feb 11 11:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> no better phone+palmtop in vicinity
Feb 11 11:18:57 <psychologe> study pyqt,feel a little hard
Feb 11 11:29:28 <Sicelo> Gear_: maybe try mounting it manually. check dmesg to know which device node it t's on
Feb 11 11:37:03 <Macer> RST38h: heh. maybe.
Feb 11 11:37:19 <Macer> but it can't be any worse than the shit movies coming out for the last 10+ years
Feb 11 11:51:11 <DocScrutinizer> Gear_: Sicelo: very kind of you not to pester me with h-e-n mounting issues ;-)
Feb 11 11:52:49 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless a comment: Gear_ , you know mounting is basically unrelated to h-e-n, and the mount function been always a deprecated feature in h-e-n that's been announced for discontinuation since h-e-n version 0.0.1 :-)
Feb 11 11:53:51 <DocScrutinizer> mounting and related stuff on N900 *should* work exactly same way it does e.g. on your laptop linux PC
Feb 11 11:54:37 <DocScrutinizer> see recent posts by iirc blue_led and others, that properly integrated mounting into udev / ke-recv where it belongs
Feb 11 11:55:22 <Sicelo> Â/me hasn't had success with blue_led's stuff... prefer stock h-e-n for now
Feb 11 11:55:33 <Sicelo> damn
Feb 11 11:56:28 <DocScrutinizer> well, you seem to miss the point here
Feb 11 11:56:59 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: not at all. :)
Feb 11 11:57:02 <DocScrutinizer> enabling hostmode in kernel and vboost for bq24150 is completely unrelated to mounting
Feb 11 11:57:14 <Sicelo> i know h-e-n & mounting are unrelated 
Feb 11 11:57:28 <Macer> damn ran out of lost girl episodes
Feb 11 11:57:33 <DocScrutinizer> even IF blue_led's stuff fails on the first two, it still does a nice job on mounting
Feb 11 11:58:13 <DocScrutinizer> for sure a way better job than h-e-n
Feb 11 11:59:19 <Sicelo> hmm, i'll give it another chance. so far it completely failed for me
Feb 11 11:59:40 <Sicelo> looking forward to Pali's driver :)
Feb 11 11:59:56 <DocScrutinizer> pali pubished a patched ke-recv that not only shall mount non-fat uSD partitions, but also should do a nice job for USB mounting
Feb 11 12:00:44 <DocScrutinizer> pali's charger driver? I still see a looong way for this to get to any state where it has advantages over what we got now
Feb 11 12:00:54 <DocScrutinizer> or even would be on par
Feb 11 12:02:00 <Sicelo> that's why i stick with standard h-e-n for now
Feb 11 12:02:01 <DocScrutinizer> for now aiui it's just a nifty and half-finished replacement for our charge.sh and booston scripts
Feb 11 12:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> and charge.sh, while working reliably for maintaining battery, still epically fails to even try to support all the maemo system stuff like reporting battery in system area etc
Feb 11 12:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> pali's (actually again based on my) driver simply moves that to kernel space
Feb 11 12:05:19 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: here's a h-e-n problem i usually encounter: it takes over a minute to actually power my flash disk
Feb 11 12:06:09 <DocScrutinizer> which might be a nice start, as long as it's correctly implementing the specs in http://maemo.cloud-7.de/bq24150-sysnode.spec.txt
Feb 11 12:06:25 <Sicelo> if i use external power, i can use flash disk immediately. any clues?
Feb 11 12:06:41 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: hardly
Feb 11 12:06:54 <DocScrutinizer> you should use my augmented booston script anyway
Feb 11 12:07:18 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise no clues at all ;-)
Feb 11 12:07:56 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: also, your term "use external power" is rather fuzzy
Feb 11 12:08:45 <Sicelo> i mean when using y-cable, there are no delays .. disk is instantly enumerated
Feb 11 12:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> isn't even worth I start to think what might be the differences between h-e-n and "using external power" as I have no clue what that means in detail
Feb 11 12:09:17 <DocScrutinizer> ok, Y-cable is one detail
Feb 11 12:09:17 <Sicelo> btw, i use your latest booston
Feb 11 12:09:20 * merlin1991 needs the rdins or howerver the driver is called that is shipped with qtcreator
Feb 11 12:09:34 <merlin1991> but without installing the whole thing
Feb 11 12:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> now all we need is a detailed to the second description HOW you "use external power"
Feb 11 12:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Feb 11 12:10:29 <DocScrutinizer> nfobot alive again
Feb 11 12:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: please use http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/usr/sbin/booston
Feb 11 12:12:07 <DocScrutinizer> it's a drop-in replacement for the script shipping with h-e-n
Feb 11 12:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> with extremely improved diagnostic and notification
Feb 11 12:12:47 <DocScrutinizer> and error handling
Feb 11 12:13:17 <merlin1991> Anybody happen to have a link to the usb ethernet windows driver that ships with qt creator?
Feb 11 12:18:05 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: infobot joined!
Feb 11 12:34:09 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: with y-cble there no problem at all. it's when i rely on n900 boost that i have an issue.the led on the flash takes at least 1 1/2 minutes to light up, and only then does enumerating succeed
Feb 11 12:35:19 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: well, that's still more desinformation that precise info on what's the exact procedure you use with y-cable
Feb 11 12:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> s/that pr/than pr/
Feb 11 12:36:49 * DocScrutinizer hands poor infobot a samurai knife for harakiri
Feb 11 12:42:54 <Sicelo> hmm, sorry then.  when using y-cable, i first connect flash disk to cable and pwer the whole thing with an external 5V supply, then connect the whole thing to N900 immeditely after i'mve hit vboost in h-e-n. 
Feb 11 12:43:15 <Sicelo> *power  
Feb 11 12:43:59 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: ping
Feb 11 12:44:38 <infobot> ~pong
Feb 11 12:46:39 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: mhm
Feb 11 12:47:40 <DocScrutinizer> I assume you stop the time til USB stick ready from the moment you attach it to external power supply then?
Feb 11 12:48:02 <DocScrutinizer> as that'S the moment the stick's controller starts to "boot up" the stick
Feb 11 12:48:52 <DocScrutinizer> if it sat there for 5 min powered via Y-cable from external PSU, it's no wonder h-e-n/N900 can enumerate it immediately after you plugged it in
Feb 11 12:53:04 <DocScrutinizer> it's not exactly unusual that some sticks need 30s or even longer to initialize after powering them up. The only reason you usually don't notice that is that on a 'sane' USB host ENUM starts automatically after stick finished initialization. But I'm recaling quite well last time I plugged a USB stick to my laptop it took like 1 minute for the dialog "do you want to a) digicam, b) konqueror..." to pop up after plugging the stick
Feb 11 12:53:57 <merlin1991> DocScrutinizer: how does the os detect when to enumerate?
Feb 11 12:54:14 <merlin1991> (in a sane environment)
Feb 11 12:54:19 <DocScrutinizer> so even if there's some problem and that'smaybe a linux specific problem, it's for sure and evidently not related to h-e-n and the way vboost works
Feb 11 12:54:54 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: I *think* it gets an IRQ from USB controller about "device attached" then starts to try ENUM
Feb 11 12:55:58 <DocScrutinizer> as we - due to dirty hack testmode we need to exploit - don't get such IRQ on mentorgfy musb-hdrc in N900, h-e-n has the ENUM button to hit manually
Feb 11 12:56:28 <Sicelo> ok.  understood. weird though, but  i follow the logic. thanks :)
Feb 11 12:56:55 <DocScrutinizer> YW
Feb 11 13:01:32 <mattcen> Hi again all. Sorry to bother you again; I just noticed that my camera doesn't work. I open the lens cover and get "Operatin failed". I suspect it may be related to installing kernel-power, despite having followed the instructions to install the new camera driver...
Feb 11 13:01:37 <mattcen> Any idea how I can debug this?
Feb 11 13:02:33 <merlin1991> mattcen: kernel power should work just fine with stock camera drivers
Feb 11 13:03:03 <mattcen> Hmmm...
Feb 11 13:03:15 <merlin1991> But you can wait for Pali or freemangordon to show up here
Feb 11 13:06:24 <Sicelo> hmm, maybe u installed wrong drivers, or u have a disk issue. i'm on kp & never had to use any camera drivers
Feb 11 13:06:49 <Macer> hm
Feb 11 13:06:52 <Macer> i'm trying out synchronet
Feb 11 13:12:08 <mattcen> Fixed it. Thanks guys; I *reverted* what I read on the KP wiki page (which, upon re-reading I probably shouldn't have tried; 'apt-get install fcam-drivers'), and rebooted; now all is good.
Feb 11 13:30:20 <mattcen> Can anybody recommend a twitter client for Maemo?
Feb 11 13:30:23 <Sicelo> :)
Feb 11 13:30:33 <merlin1991> Tweego
Feb 11 13:30:44 <merlin1991> Butm rts don't work
Feb 11 13:31:58 * mattcen tries
Feb 11 13:32:27 * merlin1991 has a pa
Feb 11 13:32:45 <merlin1991> ...tch somewhere for tweego and retweets
Feb 11 13:34:33 <mattcen> Ah *nice*. Looks much better than witter and mauku
Feb 11 13:35:36 <merlin1991> And starts way faster than witter :)
Feb 11 14:00:46 * mattcen gets ready for bed. Thanks for all your help today everybody!
Feb 11 19:01:56 <hanspeter> hi, where are the IM account passwords stored?
Feb 11 19:20:54 <Meizirkki> hai
Feb 11 19:21:09 <Meizirkki> finally got n810 :P
Feb 11 19:21:25 <Meizirkki> * I
Feb 11 20:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> hanspeter: try gconftool -R /|grep -C 5 "yourpassword"
Feb 11 20:29:21 <hanspeter> hm, i tried grepping for my username, but no match :/
Feb 11 20:40:24 <DrGrov> Hi DocScrutinizer 
Feb 11 20:48:35 <DocScrutinizer> hi DrGrov 
Feb 11 20:52:27 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: You got the PM ? 
Feb 11 20:52:57 <DocScrutinizer> I'm generally not interested in PM
Feb 11 20:53:08 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: Ok, just thought you would read what I wrote.
Feb 11 20:53:31 <DrGrov> But no need to read it. Just wondered on your take on the whole situation.
Feb 11 20:54:44 <DocScrutinizer> and you think I'm afraid to utter my "take on the situation" in a public channel?
Feb 11 20:56:02 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: No, of course not Doc. I know you can talk about it in a public channel anytime, anyplace. Just thought that it was something that you like not to share. But sure, I am open for discussion in a public channel.
Feb 11 20:56:30 <DocScrutinizer> I just don't see any topic to discuss right atm
Feb 11 20:58:52 <DrGrov> Ok, I understand. If I understand your standpoint correctly, you are against opening up the security because regular users are not aware of the possible risks of doing so?
Feb 11 21:00:44 <DrGrov> Sorry, probably wrong channel to have this discussion.
Feb 11 21:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> and a completely wrong conception of my POV regarding the whole topic
Feb 11 21:03:16 <DocScrutinizer> what I said was "don't use hacks when there's an official supported way to achieve way more than what your hack can do"
Feb 11 21:04:34 <DrGrov> Ok, I misinterpreted your point of view. My mistake.
Feb 11 21:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> DrGrov: you also seem not aware of the fact that openmode kernel is hosted on *my* server
Feb 11 21:07:34 <DrGrov> DocScrutinizer: No I am not aware of that because I have not gotten that far on my N9 adventure yet to actually use openmode.
Feb 11 21:07:38 <DocScrutinizer> so assuming I was a friend of keeping this "security" crap is a bit... weird
Feb 11 21:09:23 <DrGrov> I am not assuming that you like to keep Aegis. I have seen you write about how you do not like Aegis.
Feb 11 21:10:01 <DocScrutinizer> so figure my laughs when some paranoid hacker comes pestering me about "but hey, we don't need openmode as we also could do X Y Z - well it's way less convenient than openmode but it's nifty and shows Nokia how poor their implementation of the whole concept is, and ***it gets rid of the warning screen**"
Feb 11 21:10:51 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Feb 11 21:11:10 <DrGrov> I am assuming the beer did the trick yesterday :) 
Feb 11 21:12:58 <DocScrutinizer> as if "getting rid of warning screen" was a major design goal and would cause any difference regarding warranty from Nokia
Feb 11 21:13:41 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, there's nothing to discuss
Feb 11 21:14:03 <DrGrov> Ok, I rest my case and go and hit the kill switch on myself :P
Feb 11 21:15:58 <DrGrov> I will not say anything more about this then. Very informative though to hear your opinions DocScrutinizer. Always gives a good view on things.
Feb 11 21:32:50 <vizzy> hi
Feb 11 21:37:23 <vizzy> i installed openssh server and client but i dont know the password
Feb 11 21:37:39 <vizzy> in the details it says i will be asked for a password during install, which seems not happen
Feb 11 21:38:03 <vizzy> anyone lnow my passwords? *g or how to set them up? will i break things if i set passwd for root?
Feb 11 21:39:33 <vizzy> and the password is not rootme or so
Feb 11 21:40:42 <vizzy> and user gainroot also does not work
Feb 11 21:40:58 <vizzy> so how to set up rootpassword for local access and sshh remote access on maemo5 devices?
Feb 11 21:41:33 <vizzy> google is a bit useless, only the same resources which tells me openssh will ask for a passwd which definitely does not happen
Feb 11 21:42:43 <vizzy> Install OpenSSH (client and server)
Feb 11 21:42:43 <vizzy>     This will prompt you to change the root password from the default, rootme 
Feb 11 21:42:47 <vizzy> ^^bullshit
Feb 11 21:45:32 <DocScrutinizer> vizzy: no bullshit
Feb 11 21:45:50 <vizzy> maybe, but i definitely was not asked for a new passwd
Feb 11 21:45:58 <vizzy> i reinstalled several times
Feb 11 21:46:01 <DocScrutinizer> openssh WILL ask for password (IIRC) if you install it via HAM
Feb 11 21:46:11 <vizzy> HAM?
Feb 11 21:46:18 <DocScrutinizer> Hildom App Manager
Feb 11 21:46:23 <vizzy> i did so
Feb 11 21:46:27 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Feb 11 21:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> weird
Feb 11 21:46:39 <vizzy> however, i found that i can use passwd as on a generic linux system
Feb 11 21:46:48 <vizzy> and i dont need to knbow the passwd for this
Feb 11 21:46:54 <ShadowJK> maybe it only asks if there is no existing password
Feb 11 21:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, no problem, as you can do "root" (given you installed rootsh) and then set your root password
Feb 11 21:47:16 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: good point
Feb 11 21:47:32 <vizzy> so, if i can change pw without knowing the passwd i found a bit bad
Feb 11 21:47:32 <DocScrutinizer> usually you got the null password for root
Feb 11 21:47:40 <DocScrutinizer> which doesn't work for ssh
Feb 11 21:47:46 <vizzy> hmmm, yes
Feb 11 21:48:10 <vizzy> ok, will it have any affect to the systems automagical scripts if i change rootpasswd from ull to anything?
Feb 11 21:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> vizzy: you can gain root on N900, without any password
Feb 11 21:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> so changing the password is actually the minor threat
Feb 11 21:48:45 <vizzy> DocScrutinizer, yes, but im ot sure if it will break things on changing pw
Feb 11 21:48:51 <DocScrutinizer> no, both user and root pw are safe to change
Feb 11 21:49:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Feb 11 21:49:07 <infobot> hmm... jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Feb 11 21:49:12 <vizzy> ah, ok, thats what i wanna know :)  thank you
Feb 11 21:49:20 <ShadowJK> rootsh and "sudo gainroot" or "root"
Feb 11 21:49:27 <vizzy> jepp
Feb 11 21:49:31 <vizzy> i know the way
Feb 11 21:49:43 <DocScrutinizer> you maybe also wanna know how to change the default of not asking for password when doing sudo
Feb 11 21:49:47 <vizzy> all i wanna know was what will happen if i change the root pw for some reason
Feb 11 21:50:17 <vizzy> DocScrutinizer, yes :) please
Feb 11 21:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> ~jrtools
Feb 11 21:50:22 <infobot> methinks jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Feb 11 21:51:42 <vizzy> ah, thx :)
Feb 11 21:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> >># fix NOPASSWD for root / sudo gainroot
Feb 11 22:02:15 <DocScrutinizer> vizzy: refresh that wiki page, I added a short explaining comment
Feb 11 22:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> as the sed cmd is a bit obfuscated with all the line continuations and leading spaces
Feb 11 22:09:30 <vizzy> okay
Feb 11 22:09:33 <vizzy> thank you
Feb 11 22:10:03 <vizzy> btw, i used proximityclock, muahaha, that app always removes all widgets from desktop, hahaha
Feb 11 22:10:16 <vizzy> should be renamed in desktop-cleanup
Feb 11 23:19:18 <arvut> how do I auto-identify with irssi?
Feb 11 23:19:34 <arvut> barjavel just told me to do so
Feb 11 23:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> arvut: I guess barjavel also sent you some URLs
Feb 11 23:50:16 <DocScrutinizer> arvut: >>  If your client supports server password, please set this up as :<accountname> <password>. <<  from http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#identify
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