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Feb 18 04:04:21 <sLumPia> is this the best howto to follow up to use n900 as wifi hotspot?
Feb 18 04:04:25 <sLumPia> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_ad_hoc_wifi_hotspot
Feb 18 04:41:44 <Sazpaimon> can we please PLEASE turn off colors and bold fonts on TMO
Feb 18 04:42:04 <Sazpaimon> ive had it with people like qorax randomly making his text blue
Feb 18 04:42:39 <Sazpaimon> ive actually had it with qorax in general
Feb 18 05:14:44 <Macer> uhm
Feb 18 11:24:17 <Hurrian> anyone else used that NOLO color changer script?
Feb 18 11:24:23 <Hurrian> it's really, really neat
Feb 18 12:44:54 <Sicelo> which one is it Hurrian 	?
Feb 18 13:07:03 <Hurrian> @Sicelo the newest one in the NOLO thread
Feb 18 13:23:07 <sLumPia> can we use n900 as a modem in linux?
Feb 18 13:23:25 <jacekowski> yes
Feb 18 13:23:27 <merlin1991> sLumPia: yes
Feb 18 13:23:34 <merlin1991> it has obexd running
Feb 18 13:23:53 <merlin1991> it's actually easier on linux than on windows :D
Feb 18 13:24:56 <sLumPia> merlin1991: what linux did u use, ubuntu?
Feb 18 13:27:14 <merlin1991> it worked for me on ubuntu and debian
Feb 18 13:28:21 <sLumPia> i'm not using ubuntu
Feb 18 13:30:16 <merlin1991> depending on your kernel modules it should just work
Feb 18 13:31:54 <sLumPia> i'm using 2.6.38
Feb 18 13:32:11 <sLumPia> which module i should compile on the kernel?
Feb 18 13:46:52 <Hurrian> phonet
Feb 18 13:47:13 <Hurrian> Device Drivers -> Network -> USB Network Adapters
Feb 18 13:54:03 <sLumPia> i cant find phonet
Feb 18 13:54:15 <sLumPia> do you mean usbnet?
Feb 18 14:06:32 <Pali> lxp1, can you recompile wl1251 packet injection driver against kernel-power pre50?
Feb 18 14:08:37 <lxp1> yes i can recompile it tomorrow or maybe already this night
Feb 18 14:17:28 <sLumPia> ok, my linux box have detected n900
Feb 18 14:18:10 <sLumPia> i follow this guide: http://dartarrow.net/using-nokia-n900-as-a-modem/137
Feb 18 14:19:35 <sLumPia> but when i run wvdial, it said cant open /dev/ttyACM0
Feb 18 14:20:01 <sLumPia> how do i know which tty n900 got?
Feb 18 14:20:28 <merlin1991> maybe you find some info in dmesg?
Feb 18 14:21:14 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: linkie?
Feb 18 14:23:58 <Hurrian> @Doc: wdym
Feb 18 14:24:41 <sLumPia> merlin1991: nothing in dmesg
Feb 18 14:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> [2012-02-18 14:07:03] <Hurrian> @Sicelo the newest one in the NOLO thread
Feb 18 14:25:17 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: here's anti-tmo
Feb 18 14:25:31 <Hurrian> ah
Feb 18 14:25:40 <DocScrutinizer> so not everybody knows about every new tmo thread
Feb 18 14:25:42 <Hurrian> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75504&page=3
Feb 18 14:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
Feb 18 14:26:27 <Hurrian> if you can't get the image size small enough, use gimp to save an indexed bmp file, then save that one as rgb565.
Feb 18 14:27:02 <Hurrian> oh, and the color switch is misleading.
Feb 18 14:27:50 <Hurrian> -c 0000 is black, FFFF is white, and I have no clue as to using other colors.
Feb 18 14:29:20 <Hurrian> i tried using 0000000000000000 a few times, wondered why it didnt work
Feb 18 14:42:37 <DocScrutinizer> YAY, I don't even dare to look into http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1165831&postcount=29 to find how bad it is
Feb 18 14:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> AIUI NOLO lives in NAND which has inband bad block management, I bet this tool never heard of
Feb 18 14:43:35 <Hurrian> it uses flasher
Feb 18 14:43:54 <DocScrutinizer> as robbiethe1st about 1st version beckupmenu if you dunno what I'm talking about
Feb 18 14:44:01 <DocScrutinizer> OOH, ok then
Feb 18 14:44:19 <Hurrian> it apparently has a NOLO image built into it (legally questionable) which it copies to tmp and modifies, then feeds it to flasher
Feb 18 14:44:39 <DocScrutinizer> hehehehe
Feb 18 14:44:48 <Hurrian> then again, that qgil exception
Feb 18 14:44:52 <DocScrutinizer> not only *legally* highly questionable
Feb 18 14:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder what it will do to my highly customized proprietary NOLO ;-P
Feb 18 14:46:13 <Hurrian> the only thing that I would ask as a mod to NOLO is to reattach the testicles
Feb 18 14:46:21 <Hurrian> uhh, enable configuration
Feb 18 14:46:42 <DocScrutinizer> charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging charging 
Feb 18 14:46:44 <Hurrian> there are so many backward things in the n900 just to load a different system
Feb 18 14:47:15 <Hurrian> @DocScrutinizer, flat battery recovery?
Feb 18 14:47:25 <merlin1991> wut "highly customized propietary nolo?" wtf?
Feb 18 14:47:27 <DocScrutinizer> and OF COURSE configure location of "kernel"
Feb 18 14:47:49 <DocScrutinizer> and whatever "cmdline" (or what it's here)
Feb 18 14:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> merlin1991: the one O got from Steve Jobs for my 75th birthday
Feb 18 14:48:38 <DocScrutinizer> s/O/I/
Feb 18 14:48:39 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: merlin1991: the one I got from Steve Jobs for my 75th birthday
Feb 18 14:48:59 <merlin1991> Oh I thought it was a handout from elop to calm you down
Feb 18 14:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> it was a handout from Steve to shut Elop down
Feb 18 14:49:30 <DocScrutinizer> or shoot?
Feb 18 14:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> XP
Feb 18 14:50:26 <DocScrutinizer> whatever, I already helped to prepare modded NOLOs
Feb 18 14:50:40 <DocScrutinizer> so you could reasonably expect to find some on N900
Feb 18 14:51:13 <DocScrutinizer> so not a brilliant idea when one mod kills the other mod
Feb 18 14:51:25 <DocScrutinizer> anyway...
Feb 18 14:51:27 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Feb 18 14:51:53 <merlin1991> well
Feb 18 14:52:57 <Hurrian> hmm, i wonder who uploaded that aes-hw enabled NOLO
Feb 18 14:53:12 <DocScrutinizer> I'd just friggin bloody wanna know if NOLO tries to boot from "initrd" empty mtdpart
Feb 18 14:53:40 <DocScrutinizer> and if so, what to place there exactly to make it actually start that
Feb 18 14:53:40 <Hurrian> it doesnt feed the initrd to the maemo kernel.
Feb 18 14:54:15 <Hurrian> if you wanted to try to flash an initrd, try looking into what worked for the old internet tablets
Feb 18 14:54:19 <Hurrian> iirc the FS is jffs2
Feb 18 14:54:30 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Feb 18 14:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Feb 18 14:55:10 <DocScrutinizer> I idly pondered if uBoot could live in "initrd" rather than steal space from "kernel"
Feb 18 14:56:14 <Hurrian> you /could/ put a jffs2 driver into uboot.bin that's stuck to the kernel, and have that uboot load another uboot from initrd
Feb 18 14:56:24 <DocScrutinizer> seems like a completely reflash-transparent and rather unlimited by size-restrictions way to get a custom BL
Feb 18 14:56:52 <Hurrian> that said uboot could contain lots of fun stuff, like backupmenu, or a grub-like menu to change kernel configs on the fly
Feb 18 14:56:54 <DocScrutinizer> Hurrian: which defeats my purpose as given last line :-)
Feb 18 14:57:20 <Hurrian> isn't initrd not reflashed?
Feb 18 14:57:32 <DocScrutinizer> yes that's the point
Feb 18 14:57:50 <Hurrian> the only thing you have to reflash is the kernel if you did a COMBINED
Feb 18 14:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> so *IF* NOLO would load anything from this mtdpart, it would survive even reflashing
Feb 18 14:58:31 <Hurrian> well, we don't know how it's going to do so
Feb 18 14:58:51 <Hurrian> so a nice thing would be just to use uboot to load a bigger u-boot
Feb 18 14:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> maybe, not really nice though
Feb 18 14:59:21 <Hurrian> it's hacky, but it can't be helped
Feb 18 14:59:54 <Hurrian> i mean, the double launch code only has to kick in if it sees a u-boot system on initrd
Feb 18 15:00:06 <DocScrutinizer> it possibly could, IF someone finally RE'd friggin NOLO to understand what exactly it does
Feb 18 15:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> also wasn't there a NEW NOLO with errr... pr1.2?
Feb 18 15:01:18 <Hurrian> yes, there was
Feb 18 15:01:35 <Hurrian> no one knows what exactly it changes, though]
Feb 18 15:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> I got an idea
Feb 18 15:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> cloudy idea though
Feb 18 15:02:09 <DocScrutinizer> it handles some stuff around security features
Feb 18 15:02:12 <DocScrutinizer> secure mode
Feb 18 15:02:25 <DocScrutinizer> aka (BLAERGHHH!) aegis
Feb 18 15:02:28 <Hurrian> n900 has jack shit for security though
Feb 18 15:03:26 <DocScrutinizer> as stskeeps et all AIUI were mad enough to think mer/meegoCE needs this bullshit too
Feb 18 15:03:38 <Hurrian> wat
Feb 18 15:03:47 <Hurrian> wat
Feb 18 15:03:48 <DocScrutinizer> or a similar shit
Feb 18 15:04:12 <merlin1991> thought in the end mer / meegoCE had none of it
Feb 18 15:04:29 <Hurrian> they barely have the hw resources to run anything
Feb 18 15:05:00 <Hurrian> the last thing they need is selinux/tomoyo hooking into shit indiscriminately
Feb 18 15:05:03 <DocScrutinizer> well, or maybe the original xloader/NOLO combo of N900 didn't even care about dropping secure mode so you could run whatever you want in secure mode on N900 XP
Feb 18 15:06:17 <Hurrian> who cares? even if secure mode is on, ARM Trustzone is not configured
Feb 18 15:06:24 <Hurrian> and who would know how to configure that?
Feb 18 15:06:27 <DocScrutinizer> thanks to absolutely closed nature of NOLO (incl changelog) we never really will know
Feb 18 15:07:12 <DocScrutinizer> I just wonder how stskeeps came to think we need new NOLO XP
Feb 18 15:07:56 <Hurrian> the problem is that we can't configure the damn thing
Feb 18 15:08:07 <DocScrutinizer> quite obviously sth that hit them during development of meegoCE for N9
Feb 18 15:08:29 <Hurrian> a large part of preinit seemingly can be configured to launch some form of built in menu, if nolo had it turned on
Feb 18 15:08:58 <DocScrutinizer> that's linux land
Feb 18 15:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> and bootmenu/backupmenu already using this since decades
Feb 18 15:10:02 <Hurrian> just saying, apparently nolo config was stripped late into N900 dev
Feb 18 15:10:25 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, nfc if NOLO *ever* had a way to config it
Feb 18 15:10:51 <Hurrian> NITs
Feb 18 15:11:33 <DocScrutinizer> N8x0 NOLO loaded a initrd that probably not even cared about standard kernel?
Feb 18 15:11:54 <DocScrutinizer> that'S where out N900 unused "imitrd" mtdpart comes from
Feb 18 15:12:03 <DocScrutinizer> our*
Feb 18 15:12:48 <Hurrian> indeed. apparently nokia decided 2MB was enough for all absolutely required kernel modules to be built into kernel.
Feb 18 15:13:02 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Feb 18 15:13:18 <DocScrutinizer> which now bites our back ith PK + uBoot
Feb 18 15:13:22 <Hurrian> with that, initrd was no longer needed for maemo booting.
Feb 18 15:13:47 <Hurrian> well, they didn't really read tmo, with the impressive uses for that initrd space.
Feb 18 15:14:56 <DocScrutinizer> I finally have to wrap my head around kernel cmdline vs atags
Feb 18 15:15:29 <DocScrutinizer> all that is so incredibly messed up
Feb 18 15:15:43 <DocScrutinizer> kernels with hardcoded cmdline
Feb 18 15:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> NOLO that can change cmdline but doesn't have any effect n boot 
Feb 18 15:16:17 <sLumPia> this is my dmesg:
Feb 18 15:16:21 <Hurrian> http://groups.google.com/group/comp.sys.arm/browse_thread/thread/8c5575ac13f8da64?pli=1
Feb 18 15:16:22 <sLumPia> # cat ../tmp/dmesg 
Feb 18 15:16:27 <Hurrian> Typical things that can be passed are MAC
Feb 18 15:16:27 <Hurrian> address of the box, initrd info etc., 
Feb 18 15:16:34 <Hurrian> interesting.
Feb 18 15:17:13 <DocScrutinizer> sLumPia: eeh?
Feb 18 15:17:15 <sLumPia> usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 7
Feb 18 15:17:21 <Hurrian> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6716071/cortex-a9-boot-and-memory
Feb 18 15:17:41 <sLumPia> cdc_ether 1-3:1.8: usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:12.2-3, CDC Ethernet Device, 8e:ed:74:0f:ec:7d
Feb 18 15:17:43 <Hurrian> "You can use both the traditional linux command line to tell linux boot information like what address to find the root file system, and ATAGs. Atags are structures in memory that I think r0 or something like that is set to when you branch from the bootloader to linux. The general concept though is the chip powers up, boots from rom or ram, if prepares ram so that it is ready to use, linux might 
Feb 18 15:17:44 <Hurrian> want/need to be copied from rom to ram, the root file system, if separate, might want to be copied to somewhere else in ram. ATAGs are prepared to tell arm where to decompress linux if need be, as well as where to find the command line and or where to find things like the root file system, some registers are prepared as passed parameters to linux and lastly the bootloader branches to the address 
Feb 18 15:17:44 <Hurrian> containing the entry point in the linux kernel. "
Feb 18 15:17:55 <sLumPia> udev[4062]: renamed network interface usb0 to n900
Feb 18 15:18:59 <DocScrutinizer> sLumPia: please don't post random stuff without context here - also watch out for max-pasteline-policy which is ~3 concecutive lines, otherwise use pastebin please
Feb 18 15:19:50 <Hurrian> hmm, so the N900 is probably only passing load addresses using atags
Feb 18 15:20:00 <Hurrian> seeing as it is necessary for the nemo kernels to boot
Feb 18 15:20:12 <sLumPia> DocScrutinizer: sorry. previously i was trying to connect n900 as modem on linux
Feb 18 15:20:27 <Hurrian> the root file system etc is passed using cmdlines.
Feb 18 15:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> ~pastebin
Feb 18 15:20:29 <infobot> [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
Feb 18 15:21:59 <DocScrutinizer> sLumPia: please understand that experts might be interested in exactly those log lines you kicked out as you thought are irrelevant
Feb 18 15:24:43 <DocScrutinizer> sLumPia: your last quote gives a good hint though (you might have picked right logline :-D):  udev[4062]: renamed network interface usb0 to n900
Feb 18 15:25:01 <DocScrutinizer> see if there's "/dev/n900"
Feb 18 15:25:40 <DocScrutinizer> if there is, use that interface for wvdial
Feb 18 15:25:58 <DocScrutinizer> may or may not work
Feb 18 15:26:13 <sLumPia> that's what i thought, but there was no /dev/n900
Feb 18 15:26:41 <DocScrutinizer> probably not as it seems to be cdc_ether rather than cdc_phonet
Feb 18 15:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> find /dev -iname "*900*" -ls
Feb 18 15:27:45 <DocScrutinizer> find /dev -iname "*usb*" -ls
Feb 18 15:28:11 <sLumPia> http://pastebin.com/fJyaBHMs
Feb 18 15:28:39 <sLumPia> sorry, i'm running xchat from n900
Feb 18 15:29:24 <sLumPia> if i want to connect n900 as modem in linux, iirc i need to disconnect 3g connection on n900
Feb 18 15:29:41 <sLumPia> which mean, i got to quit xchat
Feb 18 15:29:42 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Feb 18 15:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> sLumPia: 
Feb 18 15:30:22 <DocScrutinizer> http://webchat.freenode.net/
Feb 18 15:30:26 <sLumPia> yes?
Feb 18 15:30:49 <DocScrutinizer> you want to use same or similar nick ;-D
Feb 18 15:32:32 <sLumPia> i have xchat on my linux, it just i dont have internet connection right now
Feb 18 15:32:41 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Feb 18 15:33:15 <sLumPia> that is why i want to connect n900 to my pc
Feb 18 15:33:23 <DocScrutinizer> yes, gotit
Feb 18 15:34:34 <sLumPia> brb
Feb 18 15:34:43 <DocScrutinizer> udevadm monitor might be a friend of yours
Feb 18 15:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> wonder if (s)he seen last post of mine
Feb 18 15:46:02 <sLumPia> DocScrutinizer: find result: http://pastebin.com/egtPFiN2
Feb 18 15:46:27 <sLumPia> wvdial http://pastebin.com/2iFVPeC8
Feb 18 15:47:46 <DocScrutinizer> no *900* find?
Feb 18 15:49:12 <sLumPia> ups, sorry. there is: /dev/.udev/db/net:900
Feb 18 15:49:28 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but doesn't really work
Feb 18 15:50:01 <sLumPia> yup, wvdial say inappropriate ioctl for device
Feb 18 15:50:17 <DocScrutinizer> you most likely should see a "new" ttyACM or ttyUSB in your /dev/
Feb 18 15:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> or /dev/*/
Feb 18 15:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> udevadm monitor, prior to plugin, might yield some hints
Feb 18 15:52:44 <DocScrutinizer> btw if there's anybody more knowledgeable around and just lurking: please kick in, I'm basically clueless on this topic
Feb 18 15:54:32 <DocScrutinizer> maybe your udev rules even rename it to /dev/modem or whatever
Feb 18 15:55:47 <StyXman_> network interfaces are not devces from a linux perspective, they don't appear in /dev
Feb 18 16:02:32 <sLumPia> also, i have this udev rule on my pc: http://pastebin.com/i87wsT8p
Feb 18 16:04:44 <sLumPia> StyXman_: so i should left Modem=  in my wvdial.conf?
Feb 18 16:05:57 <StyXman_> sLumPia: it should be a modem device, /dev/ttyUSB0 or something like that
Feb 18 16:07:27 <Sicelo> /dev/ttyACM0
Feb 18 16:08:13 <sLumPia> there is no /dev/ttyACM0 or /dev/USB0 on my /dev
Feb 18 16:08:18 <sLumPia> :(
Feb 18 16:10:17 <Sicelo> i have 2.6.32 kernel here.. and it's /dev/ttyACM0 .. i can talk to it via minicom
Feb 18 16:11:11 <Sicelo> [ 7144.058234] cdc_acm 1-3:1.6: ttyACM0: USB ACM device
Feb 18 16:11:11 <Sicelo> [ 7144.063416] usbcore: registered new interface driver cdc_acm
Feb 18 16:11:13 <Sicelo> [ 7144.064440] cdc_acm: v0.26:USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters
Feb 18 16:11:14 <sLumPia> i'm using 2.6.38 kernel
Feb 18 16:11:30 <Sicelo> u don't have a line like the 3 above?
Feb 18 16:12:51 <sLumPia> this is my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/iTpgmQaM
Feb 18 16:13:18 <StyXman_> maybe you forgot to load a module?
Feb 18 16:13:51 <Sicelo> rmmod cdc_ether; modprobe cdc_acm
Feb 18 16:15:29 <sLumPia> i dont have cdc_acm module
Feb 18 16:15:36 <sLumPia> where is it?
Feb 18 16:16:57 <Sicelo> that's your point of fail then. u need to find one for your distro. i'm using Debian Squeeze. try 'modinfo cdc_acm'
Feb 18 16:17:25 <Sicelo> description:    USB Abstract Control Model driver for USB modems and ISDN adapters
Feb 18 16:20:22 <sLumPia> ok, found it
Feb 18 16:20:45 <sLumPia> compiling kernel. wish me luck
Feb 18 16:20:55 <Sicelo> gentoo?
Feb 18 16:23:06 <sLumPia> yup
Feb 18 16:25:14 <Sicelo> :)
Feb 18 16:27:38 <DocScrutinizer> hah :-D
Feb 18 16:32:31 <DocScrutinizer> tbh I never got it why we can't make N900 "share internet access" via wired networking I.E. via cdc_ether
Feb 18 16:33:14 <DocScrutinizer> probably needs iptables config that's not available in stock kenel
Feb 18 16:33:20 <DocScrutinizer> kernel even
Feb 18 16:33:46 <Sicelo> because it works for KP. 
Feb 18 16:34:06 <Sicelo> so stock kernel doesn't support iptables?
Feb 18 16:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> afaik not
Feb 18 16:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> one of the reasons why you need powerkernel for hotspot
Feb 18 16:36:59 <Sicelo> hmm. i used stock kernel for only one week (for h-e-n), so never got to really know it's limitations
Feb 18 16:37:40 <DocScrutinizer> for "classic" USB based sharing you'd just replace wifi with USB NIC
Feb 18 16:38:05 <DocScrutinizer> (in mobile hotspot)
Feb 18 16:39:25 <DocScrutinizer> or simpler put: just do on N900 side what you're usually supposed to do on PC side when sharing internet of your linux PC to N900
Feb 18 16:39:28 <DocScrutinizer> ;-)
Feb 18 16:40:44 <Sicelo> my boss received Samsung i9100.. so he's showing off to me, to which i reply that i'd still love to get a second N900 if he paid more.. 2 days later he's pissed off because it's finishing his data plan in ways he can't understand
Feb 18 16:40:48 <Sicelo> :P
Feb 18 16:41:09 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Feb 18 16:50:42 <Sicelo> 0.o no 'real' multitasking with 1gb ram and  dual core processor, lol
Feb 18 16:50:50 <Sicelo> wasteo of hardware
Feb 18 16:51:01 <Sicelo> *waste of
Feb 18 16:52:25 <SpacedOut> New package 'minutemonitor' announcement.  It has a daemon to add the duration to the call log (end_time was there but never set), and a gui to display it and the number of minutes used that period.
Feb 18 17:12:01 <sLumPia> meh, can't find the correct wvdial.conf for my carrier
Feb 18 17:13:03 <sLumPia> btw, is that the appropriate way to use 'meh'?
Feb 18 17:13:20 <sLumPia> what is meh actually mean?
Feb 18 17:13:26 <sLumPia> :p
Feb 18 17:13:49 <Sicelo> ~meh
Feb 18 17:13:50 <infobot> meh int. /meh/ [The Simpsons] An interjection expressing apathy, or mgeary's favorite phrase
Feb 18 17:14:48 <Sicelo> sLumPia: u might find pppconfig to be easier to use.
Feb 18 17:15:05 <Sicelo> but u  can easily find the info on the net as well :)
Feb 18 17:15:26 <Sicelo> i suppose you're getting a modem now..
Feb 18 17:17:07 <sLumPia> Sicelo: i know, but i'm tired (it's 1 am here)
Feb 18 17:18:00 <sLumPia> thanks for all the help gus
Feb 18 17:18:05 <sLumPia> *guys
Feb 18 17:18:11 <sLumPia> gtg
Feb 18 17:44:58 <suport> 283
Feb 18 17:44:58 <suport> 283
Feb 18 17:46:08 <suport> hello
Feb 18 17:46:13 <suport> hello
Feb 18 17:46:22 <suport> see me
Feb 18 17:46:56 <SpacedOut> I just released a new package minutemonitor, want to give it a try?  It's in extras-devel.
Feb 18 17:48:53 <suport> what
Feb 18 17:49:14 <suport> released a new package
Feb 18 17:49:20 <SpacedOut> It has a daemon to add the duration to the call log (end_time was there but never set), and a gui to display it and the number of minutes used that period.
Feb 18 17:51:39 <suport> I use a mobile phone" 
Feb 18 17:51:59 <suport> what you are user?
Feb 18 17:53:19 <SpacedOut> This is #maemo so Nokia N900 mostly.
Feb 18 17:54:38 <suport> 0,1•¤15,14%•¤14,15•%¤•%15,0¤•%
Feb 18 18:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> suport: please stop flooding this chan with nonsense!
Feb 18 18:03:07 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: ping
Feb 18 18:03:17 <ShadowJK> hello
Feb 18 18:29:07 <DocScrutinizer> n900 *NEW* \o/
Feb 18 18:29:30 * DocScrutinizer buys the last one you can find in EMEA ;-P
Feb 18 18:30:09 <DocScrutinizer> well, s/EMEA/Germany/
Feb 18 18:30:24 <NIN102> is this your third?
Feb 18 18:30:28 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Feb 18 18:30:40 <DocScrutinizer> pondering to get two
Feb 18 18:31:11 <DocScrutinizer> with only 3 devices, I feel almost naked
Feb 18 18:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Feb 18 18:31:37 <NIN102> learn to live with one :-).
Feb 18 18:31:56 <DocScrutinizer> I can live with ONE *working* N900 :-)
Feb 18 18:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> 2 days ago I got my first "SIM registration failed" on my daily device
Feb 18 18:32:39 <DocScrutinizer> :-o
Feb 18 18:32:52 * DocScrutinizer screams and runs
Feb 18 18:32:54 <NIN102> :/
Feb 18 18:33:01 <Sicelo> DocScrutinizer: there's still a brand new N900 in one shop here, but i got no bucks to get it
Feb 18 18:33:04 <Sicelo> :P
Feb 18 18:33:34 <RST38h> folks, you are pathetic
Feb 18 18:33:44 <RST38h> ok, I am also pathetic.
Feb 18 18:33:51 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Feb 18 18:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Feb 18 18:34:17 <Sicelo> :D
Feb 18 18:34:32 * ShadowJK has two, #2 with collapsed 's' key and dodgy headphone port, and #3 with "SGX Recovery triggered"
Feb 18 18:34:55 <ShadowJK> #1 died of sim registration failed :P
Feb 18 18:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> I gather #1 is already recycled?
Feb 18 18:35:34 <ShadowJK> Yes, they replaced it and gave me #3
Feb 18 18:36:07 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I have no real clue if they replaced my #1 and if then how much of it
Feb 18 18:37:28 <NIN102> I was lucky to get an N900 in mid 2011 as a replacement after my first died after 6 months(USB port), it was the time when many already got an N8/E7. phew... 
Feb 18 18:37:33 * DocScrutinizer annouces foundation of the N900-vintage-club
Feb 18 18:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> club's goal: to keep alive N900 tradition, help with refurbishing, trade, spare parts
Feb 18 18:39:09 <DocScrutinizer> of course I'm president of the club ;-P
Feb 18 18:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> and so far the only member
Feb 18 18:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> ttyl
Feb 18 18:41:01 * DocScrutinizer heads out, shopping
Feb 18 18:47:23 <Tofe> QtQuick is really... quick :)
Feb 18 18:55:50 <Phlogistique> hey
Feb 18 18:56:01 <Phlogistique> anyone here uses a japanese dictionnary on their N900?
Feb 18 18:56:03 <Phlogistique> which one
Feb 18 18:56:04 <Phlogistique> ?
Feb 18 22:18:34 <Muzaq> is there a good way to place google voice voip calls on the n900?
Feb 18 22:46:01 <maher> something is messing with the time stamps on my audio files - how do i get it stop this?
Feb 18 22:48:55 <hatake_kakashi> I think trackerd does that
Feb 18 22:53:39 <maher> hatake_kakashi: can you stop it doing this?
Feb 18 22:54:11 <hatake_kakashi> maher, not a particularly good idea imo
Feb 18 22:54:56 <hatake_kakashi> and no, the last I recall you'll need to fully not have trackerd running which would prevent a database being generated and hence no a/v stuff being made visible
Feb 18 22:57:01 <maher> no one messes with my time stamps
Feb 18 23:34:57 <SpacedOut> Muzaq: The built in IM supports voice for gtalk, I did a package search for google voice and see these packages, not I haven't used them, qgvdial  dialcentral, there are others as well.
Feb 18 23:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> (no a/v stuff being made visible) unless you get that incredibly mad useful plugin
Feb 18 23:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> of the unspeakable name
Feb 19 00:01:13 <DocScrutinizer> of course you also can start arbitrary media from filemanager
Feb 19 00:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
Feb 19 00:01:54 <infobot> i guess xyawn is coffee
Feb 19 00:02:01 <DocScrutinizer> try again!
Feb 19 00:02:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
Feb 19 00:02:04 <infobot> xyawn is, like, strong coffee
Feb 19 00:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> better, but...
Feb 19 00:02:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
Feb 19 00:02:17 <infobot> xyawn is probably big coffee
Feb 19 00:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Feb 19 00:04:09 <Muzaq> im wondering if i can make calls using google talk/voice instead of calling out using gsm.  qgvdial and dialcentral appear to use either gsm or skype. anyone have any experiences?
Feb 19 00:10:12 <DocScrutinizer> use SIP
Feb 19 00:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> works just fine, at least via 3G
Feb 19 00:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> at least as long as your carrier doesn't poop in with selective "priorisation", or simply disallowing SIP
Feb 19 00:13:33 <DocScrutinizer> e.g via special NAT rules
Feb 19 00:14:12 <DocScrutinizer> it's pretty simple to ruin SIP, but it just works on networks that don't do that
Feb 19 01:58:53 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: I disagree. 3G is too flaky
Feb 19 01:59:14 <DocScrutinizer> maybe yours
Feb 19 02:56:12 <DocScrutinizer> O2-Germany works fine
Feb 19 02:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> last time I tried
Feb 19 02:56:26 <DocScrutinizer> maybe an itsy bit laggy
Feb 19 02:56:32 <DocScrutinizer> like 0.3s
Feb 19 02:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> you probably wouldn't notice if you don't call yourself like I did
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