**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Feb 26 02:59:59 2012
Feb 26 03:01:44 <Sazpaimon> can something be done about text formatting on TMO
Feb 26 03:01:48 <Sazpaimon> as in, turning it off
Feb 26 03:02:10 <Sazpaimon> im getting a little tired of people randomly coloring/bolding/whatevering words 
Feb 26 03:34:34 <Natanaiel> does N900 have MBR?
Feb 26 03:35:35 <psycho_oreos> suppose it would have considering it has TOC
Feb 26 03:43:14 <ShadowJK> Sazpaimon; I'd be glad if the text would be more than third of display wide :P
Feb 26 03:52:55 <Sazpaimon> ShadowJK, one step at a time
Feb 26 03:53:08 <Sazpaimon> but i think asking for any changes to TMO will largely get ignored
Feb 26 03:53:28 <Sazpaimon> I think the moderators have basically accepted the trolls and idiots as commonplace now\
Feb 26 03:54:12 <ShadowJK> yes, last time I complained about layout the guy ragequit irc :
Feb 26 03:54:15 <ShadowJK> :P
Feb 26 08:43:26 <dimir> Interesting, after upgrade from pr1.2 to pr1.3 the GPS module stopped working. When I open e. g. Maps the icon in status bar is blinking all the time and the app says "Looking for GPS..." . Rebooting the device does not help. Is it a known issue?
Feb 26 08:49:57 <dimir> Heh, read on the forum, changing supl.nokia.com to supl.google.com fixed it. :-)
Feb 26 12:13:57 <freemangordon> Anyone knowledgable in GL/GLES? I am trying to apply a scissor, but for the life of mine cannot grok how to calculate the coordinates. Anyone can help?
Feb 26 12:27:21 <gri> Is there a more complete qt-components theme than qt-components-base-theme and qt-components-blanco-theme for maemo5? There are so many images missing in these ...
Feb 26 13:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon: ShadowJK: I'm rather happy with "-- Classic Light" theme (bottom left)
Feb 26 13:10:43 <ShadowJK> iirc it has gigantic fonts and issues with images?
Feb 26 13:10:55 <DocScrutinizer> no issues here
Feb 26 13:11:28 <ShadowJK> at one point it made images small and fonts huge
Feb 26 13:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> might have been like that for a few days, some 2 years ago, yes
Feb 26 13:15:22 <DocScrutinizer> I'm using it all the time with Konqueror and it made other themes unbearable
Feb 26 13:16:26 <ShadowJK> oh im thinking about minimalist light
Feb 26 13:16:57 <ShadowJK> ... which gives me a very long empty page
Feb 26 13:17:56 <ShadowJK> ... until I tap "menu", at which point the thread also appeared
Feb 26 13:18:30 * ShadowJK is suddenly reminded of why he hates web forums :P
Feb 26 13:21:53 <Raimu-X> Hate the web forums? Try newspaper forums or comment threads. Those things will skewer your soul.
Feb 26 13:27:54 <ShadowJK> I'm not refering to contents :P
Feb 26 13:28:02 <ShadowJK> more to the bugs
Feb 26 13:30:54 <Pali> ping freemangordon
Feb 26 13:34:21 <Raimu-X> ShadowJK: Strong man, you are. :)
Feb 26 13:34:32 <Raimu-X> I just feel like exploding upon the contents.
Feb 26 13:34:46 <ShadowJK> I don't really get that far
Feb 26 13:35:13 <ShadowJK> first the UI latency makes me feel like exploding, then the interface bugs :P
Feb 26 13:36:46 <DocScrutinizer> strong men you are - I can't read tmo on a regular basis anymore
Feb 26 13:37:20 <Raimu-X> I just read the few threads I'm really, really interested in.
Feb 26 13:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> I don't even try to
Feb 26 13:37:35 <Raimu-X> ShadowJK :D
Feb 26 13:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> I had a lag of like 2 weeks to answer Q in H-E-N thread adressed at me more or less
Feb 26 14:55:20 <Pali> freemangordon, where you have your kernel-power builds?
Feb 26 16:20:20 <guylhem_> hello
Feb 26 16:24:04 <guylhem_> I read that when fixing the n900 one should order new screws. on klc.fi I'll spend 12 euros in shipping for 4 euros in screws. Anybody got some he's  not using and willing to sell?
Feb 26 16:42:35 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, is it possible to send a fax over a cellular modem?\
Feb 26 16:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> in theory yes
Feb 26 16:42:53 <MohammadAG> guylhem_, you don't REALLY need new screws
Feb 26 16:42:59 <MohammadAG> unless you break the old ones
Feb 26 16:43:13 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, in practice?
Feb 26 16:43:24 <guylhem_> I just wanted to be carefull - reading the documentation before making the surgery :-)
Feb 26 16:43:28 <MohammadAG> any device, not one as /open/ as the N900
Feb 26 16:43:38 <DocScrutinizer> new screws highly recommended, as the old ones, when breaking on tightening them, will give you massive headache
Feb 26 16:43:41 <MohammadAG> guylhem_, use a correct screwdriver and you'll hopefully be fine
Feb 26 16:43:52 <guylhem_> MohammadAG: thanks!
Feb 26 16:43:54 <MohammadAG> oh and that, don't tighten them a lot
Feb 26 16:43:59 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: in practice virtually no modem, and no carrier, sipports that mode
Feb 26 16:44:16 <MohammadAG> when they stop turning with a light turn don't try to tighten them more
Feb 26 16:44:19 <MohammadAG> or they'll break
Feb 26 16:44:27 <MohammadAG> none of the screws broke for me though
Feb 26 16:44:31 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, oh :/
Feb 26 16:44:54 <DocScrutinizer> AT+FCLASS=?
Feb 26 16:44:59 <DocScrutinizer> or something like that
Feb 26 16:45:01 <MohammadAG> problem is the document has my visa number, otherwise I would've asked someone to help
Feb 26 16:46:31 <guylhem_> BTW how can I retrieve the sourcecode of a published app I'd like to tweak? facebrick is on http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/facebrick/0.6/
Feb 26 16:46:49 <MohammadAG> facebrick is long gone afaik
Feb 26 16:46:55 <MohammadAG> in terms of working
Feb 26 16:47:07 <guylhem_> yes, but apparently it's just a problem of auth
Feb 26 16:48:04 <guylhem_> and I've read on fmobi site than a manual auth by visiting https://www.facebook.com/dialog/oauth?client_id=(…) could be used
Feb 26 16:48:27 <MohammadAG> guylhem_, for your original question, https://github.com/brik/facebrick
Feb 26 16:48:34 <guylhem_> thanks
Feb 26 16:48:36 <MohammadAG> guylhem_, but why not use sociality or fmobi?
Feb 26 16:49:04 <guylhem_> a very simple widget similar to the rss reader would have my preference
Feb 26 16:49:15 <MohammadAG> oh, never got to that :/
Feb 26 16:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> guylhem_: (screws) go to your next local repair shop for small gadgets and ask them to sell you the screws. Will be more convenient and more cheap than ordering them via the internets
Feb 26 16:50:19 <DocScrutinizer> though, OTOH, you probably can't be sure they sell you unused fresh screws either
Feb 26 16:50:44 <guylhem_> :0(
Feb 26 16:50:45 <guylhem_> ç
Feb 26 16:50:51 <guylhem_> I guess U 
Feb 26 16:50:58 <guylhem_> oops keyboard problems. 
Feb 26 16:51:29 <guylhem_> I guess I will try to be carefull with mine. shouldn't be more complex than a good old zaurus to open
Feb 26 16:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> btw 4 bucks for like 6 screws - you'd think this price already includes premium shipping to any location in this solar system
Feb 26 16:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> guylhem_: yup, I also reused the old screws
Feb 26 16:52:21 <DocScrutinizer> just use the right tools, and be gentle
Feb 26 16:53:21 <DocScrutinizer> close inspection of the old screws using a magnifying glass, won't hurt though, prior to driving them in again
Feb 26 16:54:18 <DocScrutinizer> as mentioned above: IF one of the screws breaks and half of it sticks in N900 body, you got a serious problem
Feb 26 16:55:08 <DocScrutinizer> most likely will mean to get a new case
Feb 26 17:00:54 <guylhem_> DocScrutinizer: hopefully that won't happen, but I've purchased a set of spare plastic parts :-)
Feb 26 17:01:28 <DocScrutinizer> good luck! btw what are you planning to do inside the device?
Feb 26 17:02:18 <guylhem_> preventive care of the USB port + replacing the digitizer (got scratches).
Feb 26 17:02:59 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: there are a zillion services in internet, that allow upload of a jpg or png or whatever and send that out via plain old FAX
Feb 26 17:03:18 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, all my visa details including my signature are on it
Feb 26 17:03:21 <DocScrutinizer> guylhem_: \o/
Feb 26 17:03:26 <guylhem_> MohammadAG: where do you want to send it?
Feb 26 17:03:27 <MohammadAG> I'm not uploading it to a random service
Feb 26 17:03:31 <MohammadAG> guylhem_, Apple
Feb 26 17:03:39 <guylhem_> which country? US?
Feb 26 17:03:51 <MohammadAG> +1 so yeah
Feb 26 17:03:52 <guylhem_> I can give you the passwd of my fax service by email so you can send the file
Feb 26 17:04:23 <MohammadAG> visa number ;/
Feb 26 17:04:26 <MohammadAG> :/*
Feb 26 17:05:05 <guylhem_> or we can arrange some vnc so I type the number, you select the file to send and then remove it afterwards
Feb 26 17:05:36 <DocScrutinizer> YAY
Feb 26 17:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> probably the easiest way to solve the problem is your office supply shop next corner. They usually send fax for you, or you even may use the machine yourself and they just bill you by nr of pages afterwards
Feb 26 17:08:15 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i'm using faxtastic
Feb 26 17:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> post office tends to offer same service
Feb 26 17:08:30 <jacekowski> thing about them is you can recieve faxes for free
Feb 26 17:08:35 <jacekowski> and you get fax number for free
Feb 26 17:08:47 <guylhem_> If you're in a hurry email guylhem at guylhem dot net and I'll send you the url and passwd. alternatively if you feel like trusting me, do a google search, a whois on my domain etc
Feb 26 17:09:51 <guylhem_> regarding facebrick IIRC the auth is not being processed but according to http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=897259&postcount=735 people who already auth' should be fine. I have never played with facebook before but if the problem is just making an initial auth a separate app to do that could easily fix facebrick. Or am I mistaken?
Feb 26 17:09:55 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: n900 can't send faxes
Feb 26 17:10:06 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: older phones could send faxes without problems
Feb 26 17:10:16 <DocScrutinizer> We already checked that :-)
Feb 26 17:10:33 <DocScrutinizer> (older phones) only if your carrier allows
Feb 26 17:10:34 <jacekowski> n900 can't do CSD whatsoever
Feb 26 17:10:35 <MohammadAG> guylhem_, yes, it should
Feb 26 17:10:51 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: as long as your phone can do CSD you should be fine
Feb 26 17:10:55 <MohammadAG> if facebrick uses the oauth method
Feb 26 17:11:01 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, iPhone?
Feb 26 17:11:06 <jacekowski> no
Feb 26 17:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: not really
Feb 26 17:11:15 <jacekowski> it has to provide normal AT interface to PC
Feb 26 17:11:16 <guylhem_> MohammadAG: if you have a VOIP account you can try a T38 protocol client to send it
Feb 26 17:11:33 <MohammadAG> I can wait I gues
Feb 26 17:11:34 <MohammadAG> s
Feb 26 17:11:34 <jacekowski> and then it's just like any CSD connection
Feb 26 17:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: fax is a different distinct service flag on GSM OTA datagrams
Feb 26 17:11:42 <MohammadAG> or there should be a fax on campus
Feb 26 17:11:45 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: yeah if it goes to phone
Feb 26 17:12:15 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: if you are making fax call from phone how network is supposed to tell a difference between modem and fax machine on remote end
Feb 26 17:12:52 <jacekowski> they can block CSD to all numbers, but there is no way to tell fax apart from a modem
Feb 26 17:12:59 <jacekowski> not without doing DPI
Feb 26 17:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> simple as that: you're sending DATA over the air, and that data is encoded via a fax codec in carrier's gateway for fax CSD, and via a modem V32 or whatnot codec for modem data CSD
Feb 26 17:14:02 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: fax is same thing as modem
Feb 26 17:14:07 <guylhem_> c
Feb 26 17:14:07 <guylhem_> 
Feb 26 17:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> nope, definitely not
Feb 26 17:14:14 <guylhem_> jacekowski: codec is different
Feb 26 17:14:33 <DocScrutinizer> most modems also support fax, yeah
Feb 26 17:14:35 <jacekowski> "modern" modems  can do v92 and other stuff
Feb 26 17:14:55 <DocScrutinizer> but not for the carrier's gateway 'modem'
Feb 26 17:15:31 <jacekowski> but faxes have some common codes to normal modem transmission
Feb 26 17:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Feb 26 17:16:31 <jacekowski> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fax#Data_transmission_rate
Feb 26 17:16:39 <jacekowski> here is the list of codecs
Feb 26 17:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> :shrug:
Feb 26 17:17:54 <jacekowski> V.34 and v.34bis was very common codec for normal modem stuff
Feb 26 17:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> you CAN NOT connect to a fax when all you got is a modem doing V.32
Feb 26 17:20:23 <DocScrutinizer> and that's what your carrier usually will offer
Feb 26 17:20:53 <DocScrutinizer> not even plain V.34 will connect to a fax for all I know
Feb 26 17:21:10 <jacekowski> well, i've sent many faxes from mobiles
Feb 26 17:21:16 <DocScrutinizer> which is what carrier will offer for data codec on HSCSD
Feb 26 17:21:55 <DocScrutinizer> sure, ask if your mobile supports fax (AT+FCLASS) and you'll see why
Feb 26 17:22:03 <DocScrutinizer> and how
Feb 26 17:22:37 <jacekowski> not with my current phone 
Feb 26 17:22:43 <DocScrutinizer> for CSD you got 3 service classes: voice, data, fax
Feb 26 17:22:47 <jacekowski> but with my old nokia 6230
Feb 26 17:22:52 <jacekowski> no problems
Feb 26 17:22:58 <DocScrutinizer> carrier selects codec depending on service class
Feb 26 17:23:03 <jacekowski> i'm not sure if i can get to at interface of my phone
Feb 26 17:23:07 <guylhem_> apparently from facebrick code oauth is used, but if I try to do just like fmobi with a log url 
Feb 26 17:23:09 <guylhem_> n
Feb 26 17:23:15 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: codecs are negotiated
Feb 26 17:23:26 <jacekowski> so you can call very old modems and stuff
Feb 26 17:23:36 <guylhem_> like in http://pastebin.ca/2121778 it doesn't work. Maybe the clientid # 110513258970087 has been deprecated by facebrick authors. 
Feb 26 17:24:59 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: your carrier won't negotiate a voice codec for a data service class CSD connection, and they won't offer fax codecs on voice or data, and they will offer fax only on fax CSD
Feb 26 17:25:13 <jacekowski> those are the same codecs
Feb 26 17:25:20 <jacekowski> on reasonably new fax machines
Feb 26 17:25:31 <DocScrutinizer> that's BS
Feb 26 17:25:52 <DocScrutinizer> even class 3 doesn't know about mere data fax protocols
Feb 26 17:26:08 <jacekowski> i'll be home tomorrow
Feb 26 17:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> class4 maybe
Feb 26 17:26:14 <jacekowski> and i'll test it with N95
Feb 26 17:26:26 <DocScrutinizer> you can even send color faxes via class4
Feb 26 17:26:46 <jacekowski> look, i've sent faxes over mobile network
Feb 26 17:27:35 <DocScrutinizer> but class4 fax machines are still rare, and I doubt your fax program you use to send the fax via your mobile will always support class4 always
Feb 26 17:28:25 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: so WHAT?? of course you can send fax CSD as long as your proviuder allows, given your mobile supports service class "fax"
Feb 26 17:28:35 <DocScrutinizer> which new mobile devices don't
Feb 26 17:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> usually
Feb 26 17:28:57 <DocScrutinizer> you however CAN NOT send fax via service class "data"
Feb 26 17:29:27 <jacekowski> so, how does phone know when to switch to data and when to switch to fax
Feb 26 17:29:28 <DocScrutinizer> please ask your mobile with command AT+FCLASS?
Feb 26 17:29:36 <jacekowski> if all it's getting is ATDT number 
Feb 26 17:29:42 <DocScrutinizer> not at all
Feb 26 17:29:55 <jacekowski> init commands were same 
Feb 26 17:30:02 <DocScrutinizer> you have to initiate a fax call on your AT interface to mobile
Feb 26 17:30:08 <jacekowski> well, i didn't
Feb 26 17:30:10 <jacekowski> and it worked
Feb 26 17:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> that's really rare - there's a way carrier and MT can allow to switch service class on the fly
Feb 26 17:30:52 <DocScrutinizer> I've never seen any carrier support this
Feb 26 17:32:03 <DocScrutinizer> well, let's agree on this: if MohammadAG has no mobile supporting (HS)CSD, he's screwed for sending fax
Feb 26 17:32:18 <jacekowski> only thing was that if you wanted to recieve a fax you needed a separate number for that
Feb 26 17:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> N900 does not support CSD
Feb 26 17:32:43 <jacekowski> because that's how they could tell apart between incoming fax call and incoming voice call
Feb 26 17:33:02 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: yes obviously, as then there's no way to negotiate service class prior to establishing connection
Feb 26 17:33:54 <jacekowski> but sending faxes was free for all ( well, they've charged arm and leg for CSD connections )
Feb 26 17:34:14 <DocScrutinizer> so the only GSM conforming way to tell your MT "hey, this is a FAX, please don't try to talk to it!" is to send INVITE to a dedicated fax number
Feb 26 17:35:31 <DocScrutinizer> btw same applies for incoming data CSD calls
Feb 26 17:35:51 <DocScrutinizer> a MT per default only offers service class 'voice'
Feb 26 17:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> for inbound
Feb 26 17:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> and nowadays most phones don't even offer a complete (or none at all) AT-interface
Feb 26 17:37:01 <DocScrutinizer> and no CSD
Feb 26 17:37:36 <DocScrutinizer> which is a pity, as data CSD was the only viable way to do encrypted voice calls over GSM
Feb 26 17:38:20 <guylhem_> apparently facebrick source pulled from git is different from the binary. there's a reference to http://w00t.dereferenced.net/facebook in the binary that is not working when you visit the page. maybe it was a gateway?
Feb 26 17:39:12 <DocScrutinizer> but in times of VoIP, who would mention when his call gets routed via internet, even when it's a crypted call, so we have to resort to UMTS/3G data services for that
Feb 26 17:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> s/mention/mind/
Feb 26 17:39:31 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: but in times of VoIP, who would mind when his call gets routed via internet, even when it's a crypted call, so we have to resort to UMTS/3G data services for that
Feb 26 17:40:02 <DocScrutinizer> CSD isn't fashinable anymore :-/
Feb 26 17:41:47 <guylhem_> ok it was a session proxy that got disabled
Feb 26 17:54:36 <jacekowski> talking about voip, i need to find some way of working around my carriers firewall
Feb 26 17:56:47 <DocScrutinizer> for sth completely different: recent discussions about battery standby time and power consumption made me put my daily N900 on the desk without the usual charging plug 24h ago. Services running: 2G voice, WLAN with power savingsa mode max/10mW, IRC (xchat) running on 7 freenode chan, no display. Now after 24h battery is at 55% remaining charge
Feb 26 17:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: try using a different port than 5060
Feb 26 17:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> most VoIP providers don't care much about the port
Feb 26 17:58:17 <DocScrutinizer> and chances are your carrier only has a block on that particular port
Feb 26 17:59:09 <DocScrutinizer> but if nothing else helps, you might have to resort to VPN or sth
Feb 26 18:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> tunneling thru DNS to your private exposed server
Feb 26 18:01:04 <DocScrutinizer> maybe even via ssh
Feb 26 18:20:20 <jacekowski> well, tunneling is going to increase RTT
Feb 26 19:15:26 <Sicelo> i missed the fax 'debate' .. interesting. makes me want to get my Nokia 9300i back for fresh experiments. I tried all i could to get the fax to work. maybe i'll try the N-Gage as a fax modem 
Feb 26 19:28:42 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: ping
Feb 26 19:43:23 <guylhem_> how can I get into target mode (power+u) with backup menu installed?
Feb 26 19:47:46 <Sicelo> can you perhaps rephrase? :)
Feb 26 19:48:06 <Sicelo> maybe you mean booting with keyboard open :/
Feb 26 19:48:33 <Sicelo> or, if you want to flash.. that should work irregardless of backupmenu
Feb 26 19:49:32 <guylhem_> nope - got to half open the keyboard. just succeeded after seeing the pic on http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61772
Feb 26 19:51:40 <Sicelo> i don't know what it is you're doing.. but regular flashing works for me with backupmenu (at least i load debian kernels using flasher without any quirks)
Feb 26 19:52:06 <guylhem_> didn't work for me but now it's flashing
Feb 26 19:58:58 <robbiethe1st> Also, mind... I think I've pointed out many times... There's no need to press 'u' when flashing. Just make sure the flasher's 'waiting' before you plug in the USB cable.
Feb 26 20:13:59 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: pong
Feb 26 20:18:20 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: sooo... how does broken USB port in N900 look like? ;/
Feb 26 20:20:20 <DocScrutinizer> well, looks like... a hole in the plastic case with no or a wobbly USB receptacle behind it 
Feb 26 20:20:47 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: well, not necessarily
Feb 26 20:20:49 <DocScrutinizer> or do you ask how to diagnose the problem?
Feb 26 20:20:55 <kerio> my broken USB port looks normal
Feb 26 20:20:57 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: sure, I know
Feb 26 20:21:46 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: honestly, dos1 's question been a bit fuzzy
Feb 26 20:22:33 <dos1> well, mine stopped responding to anything
Feb 26 20:22:39 <DocScrutinizer> a bit like "what's the best of Texas?"
Feb 26 20:22:53 <kerio> austin
Feb 26 20:23:01 <kerio> although it's not really the best, it's the least worse
Feb 26 20:23:03 <dos1> and is looking just fine
Feb 26 20:23:23 <kerio> dos1: if the USB port doesn't work, it's broken
Feb 26 20:23:25 <kerio> that's like the definition
Feb 26 20:23:39 <kerio> you can probably get some kind of connection if you kinda force the plug up or down
Feb 26 20:23:51 <kerio> which is good, because it means that it's not totally broken inside
Feb 26 20:24:25 <dos1> tried with no luck ;(
Feb 26 20:24:48 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: then you should probably check the VBUS sysnode (or use multimeter and a cut-up USB cable to check conducting connection from VBUS to the USB5V+ testpad in battery bay) and also probe both D+ and D- for contact to the dual testpads in battery bay
Feb 26 20:25:39 <dos1> removed battery and played a bit with it - orange LED blinked few times for some fractions of second, but it was very hard to repeat
Feb 26 20:25:43 <DocScrutinizer> don't try to 'force plug' or do other weird potentially dangerous things please
Feb 26 20:26:11 <kerio> you'd also get some kind of reaction if you hit your n900's screen with a hammer!
Feb 26 20:26:43 <maybeHere> that's completely recoverable btw
Feb 26 20:26:48 <maybeHere> just exchange the screen
Feb 26 20:26:54 <kerio> maybeHere: not if you hit hard enough
Feb 26 20:27:00 <DocScrutinizer> get a multimeter and check resistance between the cable ends and the testpoints!
Feb 26 20:27:03 <maybeHere> (although i didn't hammer mine, i just sequeezed it to death because of some rage inducing email)
Feb 26 20:27:08 <kerio> maybeHere: haha what
Feb 26 20:27:18 <maybeHere> (and the email wasn't even from nokia)
Feb 26 20:27:54 <shanttu> hi. does n900 still have problems with some sd cards?  
Feb 26 20:28:06 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: please check:
Feb 26 20:28:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~usbfix
Feb 26 20:28:10 <infobot> usbfix is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater)
Feb 26 20:28:23 <kerio> shanttu: last i heard SD cards still don't fit anywhere
Feb 26 20:28:25 <DocScrutinizer> it has links to all the info you need
Feb 26 20:28:43 <kerio> there's a microSD slot though, perhaps you could use that!
Feb 26 20:28:44 <shanttu> kerio, ok =) microsd then
Feb 26 20:28:55 <maybeHere> kerio: since that incident i don't even have any reason to be in this channel anymore as i replaced my n900 with a galaxy s2 (but i gave the repaired n900 to some friend who could use it far better than me)
Feb 26 20:29:03 * DocScrutinizer ponders /mode +q kerio
Feb 26 20:29:11 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: noooo :(
Feb 26 20:30:02 <maybeHere> what i really really really miss is the alarm clock function even when the phone is switched off, it's kind of ridiculous android doesn't support this
Feb 26 20:30:16 <kerio> switching off your phone is lame anyway
Feb 26 20:30:29 <DocScrutinizer> maybeHere: so please don't jump in to a serious chat where somebody has *real* problems and hopes for help. This is no stand up comedian chan
Feb 26 20:30:41 <maybeHere> sorry.
Feb 26 20:31:18 <kerio> shanttu: anyway, i never heard of problems with µSDs
Feb 26 20:31:28 <kerio> do you have one that doesn't work?
Feb 26 20:31:44 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: thanks
Feb 26 20:32:36 <dos1> trying to check vbus sysnode now
Feb 26 20:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: please keep me updated on any further steps you take and results you get. AIUI your device is one of those I "forwarded"? So it has no warranty :-/
Feb 26 20:32:50 <shanttu> kerio, i've read from tmo that many has had problems with them. i read adata works and have one. it gets corrupted often..but works.
Feb 26 20:33:29 <shanttu> just wondering if there is some updated information on suitable brands and classes
Feb 26 20:34:14 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: (not that a waranty would be any good for. As Nokia simply swaps N900 for some sybian crap now)
Feb 26 20:34:33 <kerio> sybian?
Feb 26 20:34:44 <DocScrutinizer> err, +m
Feb 26 20:34:45 <kerio> :>
Feb 26 20:35:18 <kerio> well, a sybian would be as good as a n8 as a n900 replacement
Feb 26 20:35:25 <kerio> IE not at all
Feb 26 20:35:28 <DocScrutinizer> the difference is negligible
Feb 26 20:37:30 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: as speedevil (IIRC) has pointed out several times: also make sure it's not your cable that's defect, and check the USB receptacle optically for debris and/or bent contacts etc
Feb 26 20:37:58 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: tried with both charger and usb cable connected to PC
Feb 26 20:38:22 <DocScrutinizer> what did you expect to see? what did you get instead?
Feb 26 20:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. what makes you think your USB is broken?
Feb 26 20:39:27 <dos1> i expected to see charging, and - when connected to pc - to see popup window (mass storage or pc mode) on maemo
Feb 26 20:40:01 <dos1> nothing happened
Feb 26 20:40:10 <dos1> tried also with phone turned off - expected it to turn on - also nothing happened
Feb 26 20:40:20 <DocScrutinizer> might both get defeated by e.g. bme segfaulting to death, which in turn may easily be caused by that notorius unbearable bq27200.ko module
Feb 26 20:40:30 <dos1> tried also with SHR
Feb 26 20:40:51 <dos1> and checking fsodeviced logs for some charging related events
Feb 26 20:41:02 <dos1> nothing happened
Feb 26 20:41:03 <DocScrutinizer> well, that's a good test indeed - phone shall turn on when plugged in and VBus applied
Feb 26 20:41:21 <dos1> vbus sysnode is always 0
Feb 26 20:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> yup
Feb 26 20:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> concludent
Feb 26 20:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> check receptacle with a magn glass and good light
Feb 26 20:42:19 <dos1> i guess that's everything i can do from software side
Feb 26 20:42:26 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Feb 26 20:42:57 <DocScrutinizer> no startup and vbus sysnode always 0 means you got some hw problem
Feb 26 20:43:04 <guylhem_> where are the applications catalog stored ? ~/
Feb 26 20:44:22 <DocScrutinizer> dos1: also try to wag the USB receptacle a bit with a pin or toothpick or sth. It mustn't move, nada
Feb 26 20:44:41 <guylhem_> or in gconf ?
Feb 26 20:49:42 <guylhem_> appmanager just "purged" all the catalogs during an update
Feb 26 20:54:42 <dos1> DocScrutinizer: it doesn't move
Feb 26 20:55:27 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Feb 26 20:56:12 <DocScrutinizer> inspect closely with a magnifier glass, then consider cutting a USB cable in two halves
Feb 26 20:57:11 <guylhem_> oops a process must have died. a reboot and its fine now
Feb 26 20:57:14 <DocScrutinizer> you may have a mechanically induced contact/connection problem at USB receptacle as well as some electric issue (e.g. blown fuse)
Feb 26 20:58:24 <DocScrutinizer> a decent electrical test will give some valuable hints
Feb 26 20:58:35 <Sicelo> guylhem_: HAM can take its time.. you just had to wait 'indefinitely', lol. it's happened to me a number of times ... and 10 minutes later, catalogs show
Feb 26 20:59:28 <guylhem_> Sicelo: just after a flash that got me stressed! all I was doing was trying toinstall *fast* appmanager
Feb 26 20:59:48 <guylhem_> die ham die
Feb 26 21:15:58 <DocScrutinizer> fapman no good!
Feb 26 21:16:23 <DocScrutinizer> tries to be too smart and fast
Feb 26 21:16:23 <guylhem_> ?
Feb 26 21:16:37 <guylhem_> troll troll troll
Feb 26 21:17:01 <DocScrutinizer> orly?`
Feb 26 21:17:20 <DocScrutinizer> yu're sure you know what troll even means?
Feb 26 21:17:44 <guylhem_> what exactly do you have about fam?
Feb 26 21:17:51 <guylhem_> too smart regarding caches?
Feb 26 21:18:12 <DocScrutinizer> well, you'll find out the hard way, as you think you're smarter than me
Feb 26 21:18:19 <DocScrutinizer> have fiun, enjoy
Feb 26 21:18:22 <guylhem_> no please tell me. 
Feb 26 21:19:01 <DocScrutinizer> asking "please tell me" to a troll? c'mon :-/
Feb 26 21:19:01 <guylhem_> appmanager manages to crash at the very first reboot. besides utiing apt-get I see no other option
Feb 26 21:19:21 <guylhem_> you're teasing it's no good. tell me more
Feb 26 21:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> pff
Feb 26 21:20:45 <guylhem_> whatever
Feb 26 22:11:08 <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/Kvz5d.jpg   my wallpaper on my windows laptop is epic 
Feb 26 22:19:09 <Sicelo> very nice indeed
Feb 26 22:22:25 <ShadowJK> I am disappointed, was expecting epic goatse
Feb 26 22:24:44 <Sicelo> :)
Feb 27 02:08:41 <iluminator101> has someone created a install script that upgrades n900 maemo to meego ?
Feb 27 02:10:30 <luke-jr> isn't that a downgrade?
Feb 27 02:10:32 * luke-jr ducks
Feb 27 02:11:11 <iluminator101> well it is sort of i guess you can just upgrade maemo i guess
Feb 27 02:21:14 <iluminator101> well i did that i did updates with maemo community edition until couple of months ago, it would no longer update saying package conflict of insterest
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