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Mar 02 03:08:30 <shamus> also what ever became of the fremetalthing the mer thingy for the n8xx? 
Mar 02 06:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> yay, friday
Mar 02 06:43:28 <LaoLang_cool> SpacedOut, dole: after reflashing a right rom, email can start now!
Mar 02 06:43:56 <LaoLang_cool> I can't believe it's relative to a wrong version of rom...
Mar 02 06:44:01 <LaoLang_cool> Thank you all!
Mar 02 06:44:54 <LaoLang_cool> Thank you SpacedOut jacekowski dole SpeedEvil 
Mar 02 06:45:03 <LaoLang_cool> and others I can't remember...
Mar 02 07:02:45 <Sicelo> huh? that's even more weird - what does country have to do with email?
Mar 02 07:04:00 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo: I get confused too
Mar 02 07:04:22 <LaoLang_cool> But after I change from USA version to UK version, everything goes right..
Mar 02 07:04:48 <Sicelo> most possibly your initial images weren't downloading correctly
Mar 02 07:05:02 <Sicelo> why aren't you using global, btw?
Mar 02 07:08:31 <LaoLang_cool> Sicelo: I don't know the difference, but I just try to use the one corresponding to my n900...
Mar 02 07:09:21 <Sicelo> ok. :)
Mar 02 07:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Mar 02 07:13:46 <DocScrutinizer> nice effect. much guessing and voodoo resulting in finally something works, leads to even more voodoo legends spreading as the true remedy
Mar 02 07:14:11 <Sicelo> 03:09 < SpeedEvil> dole: For example, everywhere outside Ghana the 3d holographic display is disabled.    <<<<< what's this 3d holographic display?
Mar 02 07:14:54 <DocScrutinizer> you haven't seen it yet? you probably should plan to visit Ghana during your next holidays
Mar 02 07:16:18 <Sicelo> damn! i'm an africa but you seem to know it better than I 
Mar 02 07:16:20 <Sicelo> :P
Mar 02 07:16:22 <Sicelo> *in
Mar 02 07:18:14 <Sicelo> anyone has a link for this? [looks like my google keywords aren't good enough]
Mar 02 07:50:59 <dole> LaoLang_cool: hi
Mar 02 07:53:22 <LaoLang_cool> dole: hi, I've solved the issue!
Mar 02 07:53:29 <LaoLang_cool> After trying the rom for UK
Mar 02 07:53:36 <LaoLang_cool> dole: thank you for help!
Mar 02 07:53:49 <dole> I'm glad :)
Mar 02 07:53:56 <LaoLang_cool> dole: morning, you have too few sleep...
Mar 02 07:54:18 <dole> yeah, woke up 3h ago :/
Mar 02 07:56:32 <LaoLang_cool> wow, take care...
Mar 02 08:19:19 <gormux> hi all
Mar 02 08:19:33 <gormux> anyone using a wiimote to play games on the N900 ?
Mar 02 08:19:51 <gormux> especially with the classic controller ?
Mar 02 08:20:12 <DocScrutinizer51> using 'rom' (actually fiasco image) for UK isn't 'solving the issue'
Mar 02 08:24:01 <LaoLang_cool> DocScrutinizer51: but at least I can run email now...
Mar 02 08:24:14 <LaoLang_cool> And I can run settings -> My Nokia too :)
Mar 02 08:25:16 <LaoLang_cool> But maybe I used a crupted fiasco image too, anyhow, it works now :)
Mar 02 09:49:44 <gormux> hum, talk.maemo.org seems down again
Mar 02 09:50:36 <gormux> is it frequent ? I have my N900 since saturday, and it's frequently down since :)
Mar 02 10:00:05 <x29a> gormux: na, usually works but does have some hickups
Mar 02 10:00:21 <x29a> maybe, google cache works for you meanwhile?
Mar 02 10:13:42 <gormux> x29a: yeah sure, I was just wondering
Mar 02 10:17:05 <LaoLang_cool> It would be better if rotation of screen can be 360 degree
Mar 02 10:25:55 <guly> i need talk.maemo.org once a month, when it's down
Mar 02 10:26:35 <magic_doc> that is really annoying since it was down yesterday too.
Mar 02 10:26:49 <magic_doc> already sent an Email to the servers owner but not reply :(
Mar 02 10:29:32 * gormux still trying to get NITDroid working
Mar 02 10:30:03 <Sicelo> why don't you just buy a cheap android?
Mar 02 10:30:09 <Sicelo> ~nitdroid
Mar 02 10:30:09 <infobot> nitdroid is, like, Nokia Internet Tablets with android OS. Support on nitdroid is provided in the channel #nitdroid and #nitdroid-help and Nokia does not officially support owners with android OS on their tablets. For more information read here: http://nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project. If you have bricked your N900 device and have installed nitdroid, flash with both eMMC and fiasco.
Mar 02 10:30:45 <gormux> Sicelo: it's just for fun :)
Mar 02 10:31:06 <Sicelo> i have a lot more fun with debian ;)
Mar 02 10:31:34 <gormux> I don't want to use it on a daily basis, but still i'd like to try it, maybe reboot sometimes to play android games...
Mar 02 10:32:36 <gormux> I had an android phone, and just exchanged it for a n900 :p
Mar 02 10:33:39 <gormux> I made some scripts and all, and got very cool functions already. Maemo is really better for a user like me :)
Mar 02 10:34:51 <StyXman> Sicelo: are you in the maemo-over-debian development?
Mar 02 10:35:35 <Sicelo> nop. i'm not a dev at all, but i closely follow http://elinux.org/N900 and similar projects
Mar 02 10:36:12 <ruskie> Confusingly, not all apps appear in the chunky Start screen by default. You need to swipe up and tap "All apps" for the full set, <-- I wonder where microsoft got that idea ;)
Mar 02 10:38:02 <psycho_oreos> microsoft mobile world's offsprings will bear nokia genes (amongst others)
Mar 02 11:20:53 <LaoLang_cool> How to see a time length of a call?
Mar 02 11:22:04 <LaoLang_cool> Seems I just can see the date time of a call in phone application
Mar 02 11:23:01 <Hurrian> hmm, too is down again
Mar 02 11:23:44 <LaoLang_cool> how to see the duration of a phone call?
Mar 02 11:24:03 <merlin1991> LaoLang_cool: not saved for some reason
Mar 02 11:24:06 <LaoLang_cool> I think this time I express myself much more precise :)
Mar 02 11:24:08 <merlin1991> there is a fix somehwere on tmo
Mar 02 11:24:38 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: oh, it's sad that tmo is down :(
Mar 02 11:29:26 <Hurrian> What's happening to TMO?
Mar 02 11:29:42 <Hurrian> I haven't heard of any scheduled maintenance
Mar 02 11:33:01 <merlin1991> Hurrian: tmo has regular unscheduled downtimes
Mar 02 11:33:22 <Hurrian> only recently, though
Mar 02 12:11:24 <raandoom> TMO is up
Mar 02 12:43:06 <pigeon> ah... fun...
Mar 02 12:43:37 <pigeon> got a vst loaded \o/
Mar 02 13:27:22 <LaoLang_cool> merlin1991: I think phone call duration should be added in cssu version :)
Mar 02 13:27:42 <flat`> yea
Mar 02 15:31:45 <fredichan> I have just come to wonder. Has anyone have tried to get Android on to the Nokia N900? From my experience, first thing that comes to mind, architecture, then, licensing, but I think Android is freely licensed? Then I come to think, has anyone tried and where have they stumbled upon a problem?
Mar 02 15:37:34 <psycho_oreos> there's a channel for android on N900, its called nitdroid and there's a channel for that specifically
Mar 02 16:46:13 <Pali> ~seen jonwil
Mar 02 16:46:20 <infobot> jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 31d 5h 12m 47s ago, saying: 'anyone here know anything about QT programming on the N900?'.
Mar 02 17:16:02 <jonwil> hi
Mar 02 17:17:45 <Pali> hi jonwil
Mar 02 17:20:30 <jonwil> I saw your message
Mar 02 17:26:38 <jonwil> I think what the community wants is the complete browser UI source code, i.e. tablet-browser-ui, tablet-browser-controls, tablet-browser-dialogs, tablet-browser-view & tablet-browser-widgets at a minimum (there may be more that is part of the browser UI though)
Mar 02 17:34:12 <Pali> yes, we need code which handle MCE orientation signals and delete this code
Mar 02 17:35:32 <Pali> jonwil, write mail for opening that packages too
Mar 02 17:35:54 <jonwil> I have no idea how to go about writing these emails
Mar 02 17:36:15 <jonwil> hence why I said in my post that we need someone else who knows what to say and how to ask in the right way to write the emails
Mar 02 17:37:13 <Pali> jonwil, write what you written to TMO thread
Mar 02 17:49:47 <jonwil> I would rather someone else write the emails for all sorts of reasons I cant go into :P
Mar 02 17:51:41 <jonwil> As for MCE, I actually have email conversation in the past with MCE guy where he said that he would like to have opened Fremantle MCE but that he was unable to convince the higher-ups to let it happen
Mar 02 17:53:04 <Pali> jonwil, for MCE: try to write some that diablo MCE was published and harmattan too...
Mar 02 17:53:34 <jonwil> dont think the MCE guy works at Nokia anymore from what I remember
Mar 02 17:54:12 <Pali> maybe harmattan MCE devs yes
Mar 02 17:55:23 <jonwil> well in any case I cant send these emails, it would be good if someone else sent them so we can see if its possible to get these pieces of much-needed code
Mar 02 17:55:58 <Pali> why you cannot send emails?
Mar 02 17:56:09 <Pali> you have broken email client? :-)
Mar 02 17:57:03 <jonwil> I have issues I cant go into that prevent me from sending these specific sorts of emails
Mar 02 17:57:53 <Pali> just write what you are writing here on IRC... what do you think that other people doing?
Mar 02 17:59:13 <jonwil> its not related to the content of the emails, its something else I Cant go into
Mar 02 17:59:32 <jonwil> just trust me, someone else will have to do communication with nokia guys because I cant do it right now
Mar 02 18:00:07 <Pali> jonwil, try!
Mar 02 18:00:17 <jonwil> I cant
Mar 02 18:00:28 <jonwil> If I could, I would
Mar 02 18:00:30 <jonwil> but I cant
Mar 02 18:00:53 <Sicelo> Pali: he means it :)
Mar 02 18:01:10 <Pali> jonwil, why do you think that you cannot communicate with people?
Mar 02 18:01:19 <Pali> via mail client?
Mar 02 18:01:20 <jonwil> I cant explain
Mar 02 18:01:32 <jonwil> Nothing is wrong with my email, its something I cant talk about
Mar 02 18:01:57 <Pali> language problem?
Mar 02 18:02:19 <jonwil> no, its not that
Mar 02 18:02:24 <jonwil> its something I cant and wont go into
Mar 02 18:02:30 <Sicelo> Pali: would it be possible for you to do it?
Mar 02 18:02:43 <Pali> already done
Mar 02 18:02:58 * Sicelo would offer to, but i am not a dev
Mar 02 18:03:14 <Pali> but I think that if more people write to nokia, then we can bigger chance...
Mar 02 18:03:22 <jonwil> so pali you asked for what exactly?
Mar 02 18:03:53 <Pali> last? opening browser ui code
Mar 02 18:06:34 <jonwil> ok
Mar 02 18:06:46 <jonwil> have you asked anyone for MCE code?
Mar 02 18:07:06 <Pali> yes, but fremantle maintainer is not in nokia
Mar 02 18:07:14 <Pali> so no answer
Mar 02 18:07:44 <Pali> maybe asking harmattan maintainer...
Mar 02 18:08:34 <Pali> jonwil, anyway are you playing with clone of systemui?
Mar 02 18:08:59 <jonwil> I was at one point playing with bits of it, why?
Mar 02 18:09:07 <jonwil> lock screen specifically
Mar 02 18:09:14 <jonwil> i.e. slide-to-unlock
Mar 02 18:17:50 <Pali> jonwil, how hard is to write systemui daemon?
Mar 02 18:17:50 <jonwil> pali, what did you want to know about systemui?
Mar 02 18:18:02 <jonwil> I dont know, I didnt get much into the daemon itself
Mar 02 18:18:06 <Pali> do you know what all is systemui daemon doing?
Mar 02 18:18:11 <jonwil> just the tklock plugin
Mar 02 18:18:31 <Pali> do you know systemui plugin interface?
Mar 02 18:18:38 <jonwil> bits and pieces of it
Mar 02 18:19:02 <jonwil> http://www.cncmods.net/files/systemui.h
Mar 02 18:19:09 <jonwil> Thats basically what I have
Mar 02 18:19:14 <jonwil> why do you want this info?
Mar 02 18:20:22 <Pali> systemui is one of (2?) closed system daemons, which I'd like to see open and change somestuff
Mar 02 18:20:44 <jonwil> whats the other one>
Mar 02 18:20:46 <jonwil> ?
Mar 02 18:20:56 <Pali> mce
Mar 02 18:21:00 <jonwil> ok
Mar 02 18:21:18 <jonwil> me, I would love the source code to icd and its plugins myself
Mar 02 18:21:22 <Pali> systemui is handling battery low, alarm gui, power button, ...
Mar 02 18:21:48 <jonwil> yeah
Mar 02 18:21:52 <Pali> icd is shit, which can be replaced by /etc/network/interfaces + wpa_supplicant + ofono...
Mar 02 18:22:04 <Pali> or by compex connman or network-manager
Mar 02 18:23:52 <jonwil> replacing icd is not as easy as you think, lots of bits of the system talk directly to icd and its plugins
Mar 02 18:24:01 <jonwil> over undocumented dbus interfaces
Mar 02 18:24:25 <jonwil> oh and if replacing csd with ofono was possible, I would have done it by now
Mar 02 18:24:31 <jonwil> or at least tried
Mar 02 18:24:34 <jonwil> but its not
Mar 02 18:25:06 <Pali> you need to update dbus
Mar 02 18:25:27 <Pali> see what is in meego/nemo/nitdroid - here is ofono working...
Mar 02 18:26:04 <Pali> csd stack is really complicate and RE is even even hard that other maemo stuff
Mar 02 18:26:48 <jonwil> You cant replace csd with ofono unless you replace important system software like dialer, contacts, messaging and who knows what else (and if you are going to do that, you might as well move to MeeGo/Nemo/whatever they are calling it this week)
Mar 02 18:27:13 <jonwil> Too many parts of the system rely on undocumented interfaces exposed by the cellular services daemon and its plugins
Mar 02 18:28:18 <Pali> jonwil, dialer, messaging and contacts using telepathy only
Mar 02 18:28:34 <Pali> and for ofono exists compatible telepathy manager
Mar 02 18:28:37 <Pali> telepathy-ring
Mar 02 18:28:53 <Pali> new ofono version is open
Mar 02 18:29:00 <Pali> and old (closed) is in maemo5
Mar 02 18:29:33 <jonwil> trust me, I did the research and the grepping-the-entire-n900-filesystem and I can say that key components most definatly talk directly to the cellular services daemon
Mar 02 18:29:48 <Pali> bad
Mar 02 18:30:12 <Pali> so then any icd/newtwork stuff is hard to replace
Mar 02 18:30:40 <Pali> this commit of MCE is interesting http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/commit/4c5de70845de46b8b8dc395617d44722d8ac49e4
Mar 02 18:30:49 <Pali> git-svn-id: https://projects.maemo.org/svn/dsm/mce/trunk@19331 db81c003-b5ea-0310-aa99-ed7f6e1db739
Mar 02 18:30:55 <jonwil> yeah it is interesting :)
Mar 02 18:30:58 <Pali> what is that projects.maemo.org ?
Mar 02 18:31:28 <jonwil> seems to be place for secret stuff to be done
Mar 02 18:31:42 <jonwil> trying to visit URLs on it asks for username and password
Mar 02 18:32:27 <jonwil> and that includes a link I found once to some browser code on that domain
Mar 02 18:32:36 <Sicelo> ~seen luke-jr
Mar 02 18:32:50 <infobot> luke-jr is currently on #maemo #harmattan, last said: 'isn't that a downgrade?'.
Mar 02 18:33:03 <jonwil> and also to a git repo on that server for Harmattan cellular-qt that I found a link to somewhere
Mar 02 18:34:59 <jonwil> To replace ICD we would need to:1.Find a replacement that works 2.Make it talk to csd-gprs for cellular data (not as hard as you would think because we have documentation on the dbus calls exposed by csd-grps) 3.Write replacements for the connectivity UI widgets that talk to ICD 4.Identify anything talking to ICD that we cant rewrite and somehow make our ICD replacement expose what they need
Mar 02 18:35:07 <jonwil> i.e. its theoretically possible but its a LOT of work
Mar 02 18:35:31 <Pali> jonwil, but why?
Mar 02 18:35:37 <jonwil> but why what?
Mar 02 18:35:52 <luke-jr> Sicelo: ?
Mar 02 18:36:00 <Pali> I did not see any bugs in icd (except that icd is shit)
Mar 02 18:36:20 <jonwil> myself, I am not so interested in ICD as I am in its plugins
Mar 02 18:36:31 <jonwil> specifically icd-gprs and icd-wlan
Mar 02 18:36:39 <jonwil> for various projects I keep meaning to mess with
Mar 02 18:36:50 <jonwil> including some sort of priority for wlan networks
Mar 02 18:36:56 <luke-jr> jonwil: fwiw, Gentoo/N900 has network init scripts for GPRS :p
Mar 02 18:37:04 <Sicelo> luke-jr:  current conversation here reminded me of your gentoo efforts. how is it going?
Mar 02 18:37:12 <luke-jr> Sicelo: no progress for 2 months
Mar 02 18:37:19 <Sicelo> ah :)
Mar 02 18:37:27 <Sicelo> oh 
Mar 02 18:37:35 <jonwil> please tell me you are not actually compiling things on the phone... :P
Mar 02 18:38:01 <Pali> jonwil, I compiled kernel on my n900 :D
Mar 02 18:38:06 <jonwil> :)
Mar 02 18:38:12 <Pali> 6 hours
Mar 02 18:38:34 <Sicelo> poor ARM8
Mar 02 18:39:31 <Sicelo> luke-jr: can you share your init scripts for gprs?
Mar 02 18:39:44 <luke-jr> Sicelo: they're in the N900 Gentoo overlay
Mar 02 18:39:55 <luke-jr> jonwil: I have distcc setup
Mar 02 18:40:05 <jonwil> :)
Mar 02 18:40:21 <Pali> jonwil, maybe instead icd/... you can try gentoo scripts ^^^
Mar 02 18:40:32 <Pali> realy icd is shit
Mar 02 18:40:33 <jonwil> Pali, have you considered mail to systemui people asking for systemui?
Mar 02 18:40:33 <luke-jr> http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/portage-overlay.git/
Mar 02 18:40:49 <Pali> jonwil, no (yet)
Mar 02 18:40:55 <Pali> but I can try to send
Mar 02 18:40:56 <jonwil> you should...
Mar 02 18:41:57 <luke-jr> fwiw, over $15k stolen in Linode compromise
Mar 02 18:42:03 <jonwil> yeah I know ICD is shit but to replace bits with something else AND make things not break is more trouble than its worth. Hence my plans-for-the-future to clone the wlan plugin or failing that, write my own plugin that sits between ICD and the nokia one
Mar 02 18:42:19 <Pali> jonwil, I wrote mail for calendar-ui source I got responce that sources are on: git clone git@dvcs.projects.maemo.org:Fremantle-Calendar/calendar-ui
Mar 02 18:42:37 <Pali> but code only for private access
Mar 02 18:43:04 <Pali> that I need PMO account
Mar 02 18:43:21 <jonwil> did they actually say its private access or did you find that out when you tried to access the url?
Mar 02 18:43:38 <luke-jr> $215k*
Mar 02 18:43:49 <jonwil> I bet projects.maemo.org is for all the closed source bits of maemo to allow all the Nokia and outside people to access a central location.
Mar 02 18:44:12 <Pali> I wrote that I cannot access that code and they wrote me that I need PMO account for access
Mar 02 18:44:16 <jonwil> ok
Mar 02 18:46:05 <Pali> jonwil, I'd like to replace buildin Addressbook application (+add better merging,...), but main library libosso-abook is closed too :-(
Mar 02 18:53:20 <jonwil> top of my wishlist for n900 stuff would be connui-common, connui-cellular, icd wlan plugin and the closed bits of the input system (virtual keyboard etc).
Mar 02 18:53:27 <jonwil> And PowerVR but that will never happen :P
Mar 02 18:53:45 <jonwil> holy crap, its nearly 3am here :P
Mar 02 18:55:42 <jonwil> better go get something vaguely resembling sleep
Mar 02 18:55:49 <SpeedEvil> Night!
Mar 02 18:56:03 <SpeedEvil> List seems readonable
Mar 02 18:56:26 <jonwil> pali, do be sure to let me (or the community) know if you actually manage to pry any more source loose from Nokia :)
Mar 02 18:56:28 <jonwil> cya
Mar 02 19:24:31 <Sicelo> just been reading about the security issues affecting iOS and Android recently.. got me wondering: how vulnerable has Maemo5/N900 been to this kind of thing?
Mar 02 19:25:17 <NIN101> what exact issues do you mean? :-)
Mar 02 19:28:28 <Sicelo> something like this for example: http://www.gsmarena.com/android_allows_applications_direct_access_to_your_photos_too-news-3922.php  http://www.gsmarena.com/security_bug_in_ios_lets_apps_secretly_access_your_photos_-news-3913.php
Mar 02 19:28:56 <Sicelo> or any other 'security' issue with maemo
Mar 02 19:31:14 <NIN101> i assume that most people who have rootsh installed can be owned easily, because most of them for example didn't set a password for root. 
Mar 02 19:32:00 <NIN101> and yes, on maemo you can also "secretly access photos".
Mar 02 19:33:35 <NIN101> or you can set the owner of the photos to another user than "user", but don't ask me how to view them in the photo-viewer.
Mar 02 19:33:35 <Sicelo> hmm ;P
Mar 02 19:48:46 <KotCzarny> hi
Mar 02 19:49:05 <RST38h> moo,KotCzarny
Mar 02 19:49:09 <RST38h> Back to PL?
Mar 02 19:49:19 <KotCzarny> what is the status of wifi driver in 770/n8x0/n900 ? ie. can it do master mode?
Mar 02 19:49:41 <KotCzarny> rst38h: yeah, though shells are all over the globe
Mar 02 20:04:22 <jacekowski> KotCzarny: n900 can do even monitor mode
Mar 02 20:04:54 <KotCzarny> great, anything special required or it can do it with stock apps/config ?
Mar 02 20:05:05 <jacekowski> modified kernel
Mar 02 20:05:19 <KotCzarny> power-kernel or something else?
Mar 02 20:06:17 <jacekowski> stock driver can only do STA, AP, adhoc
Mar 02 20:06:20 <jacekowski> KotCzarny: something ele
Mar 02 20:06:43 <jacekowski> KotCzarny: iirc if you google for packet injection n900 you should find it
Mar 02 20:06:57 <jacekowski> ehh
Mar 02 20:06:58 <KotCzarny> master mode is fine, does it work with wpa_supplicant too?
Mar 02 20:07:05 <jacekowski> stock driver can only do sta and adhoc*
Mar 02 20:07:06 <DocScrutinizer> announced for PK50
Mar 02 20:07:13 <KotCzarny> bah
Mar 02 20:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> ask Pali 
Mar 02 20:07:41 <jacekowski> why do you need AP mode?
Mar 02 20:07:42 <KotCzarny> jacekowski: do you have a link for howto?
Mar 02 20:07:53 <jacekowski> not really
Mar 02 20:07:55 <jacekowski> it was on tmo
Mar 02 20:08:04 <KotCzarny> jacekowski: friend of mine asked if any of 770/n8x0/n900 can do ap mode
Mar 02 20:08:32 <DocScrutinizer> stae of the art is fake AP via adhoc
Mar 02 20:08:46 <DocScrutinizer> state
Mar 02 20:08:52 <KotCzarny> DocScrutinizer: bummer :/
Mar 02 20:08:53 <Pali> only adhoc and sta mode is working with wl1251
Mar 02 20:08:58 <DocScrutinizer> still no AP at all AFAIK
Mar 02 20:09:23 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: i've seen something on interwebs about faking AP mode with monitor mode
Mar 02 20:09:32 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: and packet injection
Mar 02 20:09:33 <Pali> wl1251 FW does not support AP mode (but HW support it)
Mar 02 20:09:33 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Mar 02 20:09:36 <jacekowski> doing it purely in software
Mar 02 20:09:50 <jacekowski> on ipw3945 or something like that
Mar 02 20:09:53 <KotCzarny> atheros driver does it with hostapd
Mar 02 20:10:07 <jacekowski> hostapd is just managing it
Mar 02 20:10:09 <KotCzarny> ie, creating monitoring interface along the regular one
Mar 02 20:10:13 <Pali> if somebody fix that closed FW then it will be possible :P
Mar 02 20:10:18 <jacekowski> all AP stuff is done in driver itself
Mar 02 20:10:36 * DocScrutinizer has to run, fix some friend's TV setup (DVB-S) and fax a NDA
Mar 02 20:10:39 <DocScrutinizer> o/
Mar 02 20:10:52 <jacekowski> once interface is configured, you can kill hostapd and it will continue to work ( unless you are doing wpa/wep )
Mar 02 20:11:32 <KotCzarny> hrm
Mar 02 20:18:06 <KotCzarny> anyway, thanks and see you later :) oh, and i shall remind you that osc is still one of the best eye candies i wrote :)
Mar 03 00:04:05 <LaoLang_cool> hello, if I'm using cssu testing, do I need to upgrade whole maemo with the testing repo?
Mar 03 00:05:07 <psycho_oreos> no
Mar 03 00:05:32 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: ok
Mar 03 00:06:10 <LaoLang_cool> I want to know if testing repo is stable enough for daily usage
Mar 03 00:06:45 <psycho_oreos> the last time I used it, it was fairly stable imo
Mar 03 00:06:53 <LaoLang_cool> One unstable app that I've obsearved is fmms
Mar 03 00:07:20 <psycho_oreos> and that's not part of CSSU the last time I checked
Mar 03 00:07:26 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: the last time? do you mean you're using the stable repo now?
Mar 03 00:07:51 <psycho_oreos> LaoLang_cool, no, I've switched across to harmattan platform :/ on n9 now
Mar 03 00:08:04 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: I mean apps in testing repo, not just cssu :)
Mar 03 00:08:21 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: oh, got it..
Mar 03 00:09:22 <psycho_oreos> my old N900 is teasing me everytime I fire her up. The old girl never fails me unlike the n9
Mar 03 00:10:04 <LaoLang_cool> psycho_oreos: hahah
Mar 03 00:15:35 <jonwil> !seen merlin991
Mar 03 00:15:41 <jonwil> ~seen merlin991
Mar 03 00:15:51 <infobot> i haven't seen 'merlin991', jonwil
Mar 03 00:16:05 <jonwil> ~seen merlin1991
Mar 03 00:16:06 <infobot> merlin1991 is currently on #maemo (1d 5h 38m 19s) #n9 (1d 5h 38m 19s) #harmattan (1d 5h 38m 19s) #maemo-ssu (1d 5h 38m 19s). Has said a total of 30 messages. Is idling for 6h 20m 37s, last said: 'so while he probably still can do something from time to time it's never sure how long he's going to take to respond'.
Mar 03 00:17:03 * psycho_oreos fires up his old N900 for yet another nostalgic drive
Mar 03 01:31:50 <LaoLang_cool> Does maemo support gtalk's voice chatting?
Mar 03 01:38:09 <psycho_oreos> doubt it
Mar 03 01:42:23 <LaoLang_cool> ok..
Mar 03 01:53:47 <ShadowJK> I thought it did?
Mar 03 01:53:52 <ShadowJK> I thought it even did video chat
Mar 03 01:53:56 <ShadowJK> on gtalk
Mar 03 01:54:19 <ShadowJK> atleastin diablo days, dunno how it's today
Mar 03 01:54:26 <psycho_oreos> google changes so much that I don't even know if some of the previous settings would still be in effect
Mar 03 01:54:34 <psycho_oreos> or err that was msn rather heh
Mar 03 01:54:57 <psycho_oreos> I've never used gtalk however
Mar 03 01:57:28 <psycho_oreos> hahaha I did the same mistake some dev did awhile back... swiping down to close the program on N900 obviously doesn't work. Instead it was microB which offered exit fullscreen button
Mar 03 01:59:33 <ShadowJK> ?
Mar 03 02:02:02 <psycho_oreos> working with n9, you can close `app' by swiping from top of the screen to the bottom (swype functionality). I was too accustomed to harmattan even though I loathe it, now running fremantle on N900 and I accidentally did the same thing assuming that it was n9 or similar. Obviously swiping from top of screen to bottom on N900 (landscape mode) when microB is in fullscreen mode did nothing
Mar 03 02:34:52 <DocScrutinizer> I guess it never did anything for any app
Mar 03 02:35:22 <DocScrutinizer> there's simply no such concept like swiping from top down, on N900
Mar 03 02:36:15 <Hurrian|away> regarding harmattan on N900, tried it again, this time with mtdswap disabled, and aegis supposedly disabled
Mar 03 02:36:18 <Hurrian|away> still doesn't boot
Mar 03 02:36:31 <Hurrian|away> actually, there aren't any useful log messages
Mar 03 02:36:32 <Hurrian|away> ugh.
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