**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 07 02:59:58 2012
Mar 07 03:43:47 <drifter> whoa, i just tried taking a hi-res picture for the first time with flash, and the flash isn't working. I don't see anything about it on google, has anyone else had this problem?
Mar 07 04:51:48 <afojgounwhogf> hi all guys! :-D
Mar 07 06:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> and gals?
Mar 07 07:28:05 <sigmax> hi guys
Mar 07 07:28:20 <sigmax> any chance whatsapp will be ported to maemo?
Mar 07 07:29:07 <dm8tbr> ask whatsappp?
Mar 07 07:29:53 <sigmax> so sad that the dev of maemo is close dead
Mar 07 07:34:07 <Hurrian> pali: any progress on the maemo5 adaptation of the nemo kernel?
Mar 07 07:34:36 <Hurrian> so far, it looks like you meed scratchbox to do builds for maemo 5
Mar 07 07:34:45 <Hurrian> which is because gcc 4.2
Mar 07 08:01:44 <Hector-no> hi. i have choppy sound with skype and sip even with kernel power reverted stock kernel. is there a workaround that i could follow ?
Mar 07 08:09:32 <Sicelo> you're sure it's not your network?
Mar 07 08:10:00 <Hurrian> yeah, check for jitter and latency
Mar 07 08:10:26 <freemangordon> Hector-no, disable wifi power management and check if it is the same
Mar 07 08:11:48 <Hurrian> freemangordon, doesnt maemo's wifi power management just seriously drop txpower?
Mar 07 08:12:06 <Hurrian> it doesnt have actual power management
Mar 07 08:12:33 <Sicelo> it does
Mar 07 08:12:45 <freemangordon> nope, there are 2 options, one being tx power (10/100 mW), the other plays with some timeout value and has (disabled, medium, ?) options
Mar 07 08:13:08 <freemangordon> PM is supported
Mar 07 08:31:30 <Hector-no> many thanks folks. i have the same problem either with 3g and wifi so i guess network should be ok. anyway i'll try wifi power management right away
Mar 07 08:32:04 <Hurrian> same problem with wifi and 3g?
Mar 07 08:32:16 <Hurrian> do you have any speedpatches installed?
Mar 07 08:36:55 <Hector-no> @Hurrian indeed I installed patches with kernel power. i guess they were removed when I reverted to stock kernel
Mar 07 08:37:19 <Hurrian> speedpatch is not removed by going to stock kernel
Mar 07 08:42:38 <Hector-no> @hurrian going to remove it right away. hope this does the trick. Thank you very much.
Mar 07 08:55:26 <edheldil> I have uninstalled binary clock, but it still appears in the config menu. It vanishes after half a sec or so
Mar 07 08:55:39 <Hector-no> @hurrian and others : thank you very much for your help. i removed speedpatch, reboot and skype is working at last. sip is stil choppy but i will play with wifi tx power. 
Mar 07 08:55:39 <edheldil> anyone has an idea what wrong?
Mar 07 08:56:30 <psycho_oreos> edheldil, you may have installed a conflicting program which also meddles with the fancy clock program?
Mar 07 08:57:55 <edheldil> I do not understand... I have installed binary clock package and its plugin package via HAM, then later decided I did not like it and uninstalled it via HAM again
Mar 07 08:59:15 <psycho_oreos> hmm weird sort of setup, I personally used that advanced clock thingy and never had issues. Only one package to install iirc
Mar 07 09:00:17 <edheldil> I did not have issues, it worked. But it stays in the config menu
Mar 07 09:00:53 <psycho_oreos> ahh wait, I get what you mean. I misread,
Mar 07 09:01:34 <psycho_oreos> I guess when you removed that package, it did not remove or auto-remove its dependency
Mar 07 09:03:45 <edheldil> possibly
Mar 07 09:03:55 <edheldil> I will check with dpkg, them
Mar 07 09:03:59 <edheldil> then
Mar 07 09:04:51 <psycho_oreos> iinm when one toys with apt-get, it will prompt packages that were installed as a dependency and that it is no longer required with an option that one must specify to auto-remove those packages
Mar 07 09:06:35 <edheldil> is not autoremove forbidden?
Mar 07 09:07:40 <psycho_oreos> what do you mean forbidden? no I don't think they restrict you from using it but if there's no un-needed dependency I guess the option isn't available
Mar 07 09:07:48 <edheldil> iirc some core services depend on something in packages which will get happily autoremoved
Mar 07 09:08:32 <psycho_oreos> well yeah if one wanted to take extra precautions, usually apt-get will tell which packages are no longer required and one can manually remove them by hand if so they wish
Mar 07 09:10:01 <MrPingu> well autoremove should work ;) Except once it borked my device and I was forced to reflash
Mar 07 09:10:19 <MrPingu> I ended up having unresolved dependencies
Mar 07 09:11:01 <psycho_oreos> I personally would never use autoremove function, if there was an extra package which is no longer needed and after doing some research I deem its not required, I will then remove it by hand
Mar 07 09:11:23 <MrPingu> and the next time it wouldn't boot, but it never scared me away and I am still doing autoremove now and never had any problems
Mar 07 09:12:53 <edheldil> maybe it got fixed in CSSU? It IS, after all, a trivial fix. I have no cssu yet, though
Mar 07 09:13:40 <MrPingu> Idk, im on testing since the beginning
Mar 07 09:15:17 <MrPingu> Btw how to make a startup script to auto swapon /dev/mmcblk1p2 (sdcard swap parition)
Mar 07 09:15:21 <psycho_oreos> I've been on CSSU for more or less the same duration but I haven't been toying with my N900 much :/
Mar 07 09:15:48 <psycho_oreos> hack the genfstab.awk? :>
Mar 07 09:16:28 <MrPingu> where would that be? 
Mar 07 09:17:25 <MrPingu> I was thinking of some event.d script but I don't the format of that
Mar 07 09:18:08 <x29a> beeing on "2.6.28.10power46-wl1" - will the OTA update for the new kernel be ok?
Mar 07 09:19:11 <psycho_oreos> MrPingu, I wouldn't know off the top of my head and I would be extremely wary if I were you when hacking genfstab.awk (if I got the name right).
Mar 07 09:19:53 <MrPingu> Yeah, well I already thought that :P
Mar 07 09:20:12 <MrPingu> Yes you can just safely go to power49
Mar 07 09:20:20 <x29a> ok thanks
Mar 07 09:20:28 <psycho_oreos> find / -name "genfstab.awk" lol
Mar 07 09:20:58 <MrPingu> it include wireless injection patches too =)
Mar 07 09:21:10 <psycho_oreos> x29a, my guess is the only reason why you've kept that kernel was only because of the wl1251 injection driver?
Mar 07 09:21:34 <psycho_oreos> o.O I thought one still had to use lxp's bleeding edge driver
Mar 07 09:22:03 <x29a> psycho_oreos: i was playing with the bleeding edge driver but mostly used the stock 46 version though
Mar 07 09:22:21 <x29a> im not using injection (i guess?) but im heavily relying on wireless and the wireless-ext
Mar 07 09:22:28 <x29a> i hope im not stuck with nl80211 now
Mar 07 09:22:42 <psycho_oreos> x29a, fair enough, well in worst case scenario, you can always use bleeding edge driver even with pk49
Mar 07 09:23:07 <MrPingu> Yes the driver need to be loaded seperately
Mar 07 09:23:17 <x29a> ok, is there any combination i should avoid (possibly rendering the device unusable)?
Mar 07 09:23:27 <psycho_oreos> there is a widget to make life easier
Mar 07 09:23:32 <x29a> i got that
Mar 07 09:23:52 <x29a> "lets try bootin it" *kick*
Mar 07 09:24:12 <MrPingu> or make some script in /usr/bin call it wlandrload and respectively wlandrunload
Mar 07 09:24:16 <psycho_oreos> not sure, but a proper and complete backup (by robbiethe1st) would be ideal
Mar 07 09:24:39 <psycho_oreos> actually no it wouldn't be ideal when upgrading kernel *facepalms self*
Mar 07 09:24:51 <MrPingu> I was writing that...
Mar 07 09:24:52 <MrPingu> :P
Mar 07 09:25:51 <MrPingu> But I have an script that load's the drivers on the wlandrload command, as I don't like too much additional widgets :P
Mar 07 09:25:58 <psycho_oreos> you could in theory alleviate that by manually extracting the previous kernel modules and then backing it up
Mar 07 09:26:24 <MrPingu> Yes, not only in theory ^^
Mar 07 09:26:39 <psycho_oreos> even with the upgrades, the stock maemo kernel modules is still left untouched (unless you have removed them already)
Mar 07 09:26:54 <x29a> ok, power49 booted, wireless is up (so far), but the bleeding edge widget is gone (not so bad for now), thanks guys!
Mar 07 09:27:08 <psycho_oreos> well I haven't tested that and by saying it in theory, I'm only covering my backside :D
Mar 07 09:27:32 <MrPingu> haha =)
Mar 07 09:27:53 <MrPingu> wireless widget gone? You mean that satus bar applet?
Mar 07 09:27:58 <x29a> yeah
Mar 07 09:28:12 <x29a> used to be underneath the stock network applet
Mar 07 09:28:12 * psycho_oreos thinks a reinstall of that applet might help
Mar 07 09:28:13 <MrPingu> that shouldn't be gone randomly
Mar 07 09:29:03 <x29a> that would be "status-area-wlan-driver-selector-applet"?
Mar 07 09:29:11 <MrPingu> yep
Mar 07 09:29:29 <MrPingu> atleast it sound familiar
Mar 07 09:29:45 <MrPingu> anyway I am on pre50 and it's awesome so far
Mar 07 09:29:55 <MrPingu> even better batterysaving by SR =)
Mar 07 09:30:22 <MrPingu> x29a, now you are on power49 you really should try to load dsp profile
Mar 07 09:30:49 <MrPingu> then limit it again on 600 whatever you like
Mar 07 09:31:12 <x29a> i havent really played that much with the internals of the n900, just used it for wireless scanning, whats the "dsp profile"?
Mar 07 09:32:05 <MrPingu> before you do anything: do you have kernel-power-settings installed and overclocked before?
Mar 07 09:33:20 <x29a> im pretty sure, i never overclocked, since i need the device to be as stable as possible
Mar 07 09:34:04 <MrPingu> ah well generaly ever device can overclock to 805 but just to be safe
Mar 07 09:34:18 <x29a> forgive me my ignorance, most of the time, i use it via SSH and its hooked to a usb cable, so powerconsumption is no prawblem
Mar 07 09:35:04 <MrPingu> ah okie, but if you want better battery life you should turn on smartReflex, it's fixed now ;)
Mar 07 09:35:53 <MrPingu> but if you don't need I shut up about it =) Thought it would be nice to make you aware of it ;)
Mar 07 09:36:38 <x29a> yeah, thanks for the input. ill get back to you once i start using at as a phone an batterylife plays a bigger role =)
Mar 07 09:37:47 <MrPingu> If I may aks, for what are you using it now? Pentest device?
Mar 07 09:38:49 <x29a> wireless survey
Mar 07 09:39:03 <x29a> and mostly, remote shell :>
Mar 07 09:41:16 <x29a> hmz, seems like i b0rk3d some of my python, apt complains about "os" module not beeing available? http://pastebin.com/6FFYvswM
Mar 07 09:41:27 <x29a> might be totally unrelated to the new kernel though
Mar 07 09:45:20 <MrPingu> hmmm I think, that can't be becuz of new kernel
Mar 07 09:45:24 <MrPingu> I think...
Mar 07 09:45:41 <MrPingu> reinstall python?
Mar 07 09:46:37 <x29a> it might just be a path thingie
Mar 07 09:47:12 <MrPingu> anyway, want dpkg -l | grep python?
Mar 07 09:48:00 <MrPingu> then you could see if you miss packages...
Mar 07 09:49:22 <MrPingu> http://pastebin.com/LdVkupe3
Mar 07 09:49:35 <MrPingu> that's what I got installed
Mar 07 09:50:01 <x29a> thats definatly more than what i have
Mar 07 09:50:56 <MrPingu> could be, I have some python programs
Mar 07 09:51:17 <MrPingu> so it automatically resolved any extra python dependencies
Mar 07 09:52:15 <x29a> ok, apt-get wont work (python is broken), so ill get the packages by hand and do dpkg -i?
Mar 07 09:53:25 <MrPingu> pff that's a pain
Mar 07 09:54:49 <x29a> any alternatives?
Mar 07 09:54:59 <MrPingu> idk, sorry
Mar 07 09:55:12 <x29a> ok, thanks a lot so far
Mar 07 09:55:28 <MrPingu> you could do apt-get install --reinstall python
Mar 07 09:55:42 <MrPingu> it might get something fixed
Mar 07 09:55:45 <MrPingu> or not...
Mar 07 09:57:00 <MrPingu> Looked again, doesn't really seems like a dependency problem but rather a location/folder problem
Mar 07 09:58:35 <MrPingu> Just like something has got deleted and now is needed again while depencies still match, but idk for sure
Mar 07 09:59:51 <MrPingu> last time when I had apt-get problems I reflashed :P well that was 1 year ago, when I just had my N900 for 1 week and was new to linux haha
Mar 07 10:00:10 <x29a> heh
Mar 07 10:00:31 <x29a> i barely reboot the n900, so might very well be, that its an unresolved dep
Mar 07 10:01:07 <MrPingu> really, mine becomes laggy once swap on MMC is getting full
Mar 07 10:01:15 <MrPingu> about uptime of 2 days...
Mar 07 10:01:48 <MrPingu> *eMMC
Mar 07 10:06:57 <wirr> hi all. MyDocs don't get mounted anymore. Anyone here familiar with maemo boot scripts / mount procedures?
Mar 07 10:08:10 <psycho_oreos> what did you do to lose MyDocs?
Mar 07 10:08:28 <wirr> Encrypted /home :-)
Mar 07 10:08:43 <wirr> but MyDocs is unmodified
Mar 07 10:08:49 <wirr> still at p1
Mar 07 10:09:38 <SpeedEvil> does fstab look sane?
Mar 07 10:09:42 <wirr> yep
Mar 07 10:10:02 <wirr> /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec[...]
Mar 07 10:10:26 <wirr> which script is responsible for mounting MyDocs?
Mar 07 10:35:14 <x29a> can somebody grep his n900 device for the "pysupport" module? im trying to figure out, in which .deb it might be
Mar 07 10:36:42 <int_ua> x29a: please add bash commands and I will do it
Mar 07 10:37:57 <x29a> int_ua: find / -iname "*pysupport*"
Mar 07 10:38:01 <x29a> its intensive though
Mar 07 10:39:52 <x29a> int_ua: hold your horses, i might have found it in (way too obvious) "python-support"
Mar 07 10:40:11 <SpeedEvil> oh :)
Mar 07 10:40:22 <x29a> SpeedEvil: thanks!
Mar 07 10:43:03 <int_ua> yes, it's python-support, confirming :)
Mar 07 10:44:14 <ruskie> http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/07/inception-brings-root-privileges-to-nokia-n9/ <-- I guess it was only a matter of time
Mar 07 10:45:16 <psycho_oreos> that doesn't work with pr1.0 on the contrary :/
Mar 07 10:50:34 <x29a> int_ua, SpeedEvil, MrPingu: thanks, i think that did the trick and python is restored as much as needed to reinstall itself =)
Mar 07 10:56:11 <SpeedEvil> :)
Mar 07 14:05:26 <harbaum> Which library is glGenFramebuffersOES in? I find the prototypes in GLES/glext.h, but no library to link against ....
Mar 07 14:20:56 <chem|st> harbaum: better off to ask that in devel although some of them are here
Mar 07 14:21:09 <chem|st> or even mailing list
Mar 07 14:31:31 <harbaum> I might actually also ask in #harmattan as i have the same problem there ....
Mar 07 14:51:56 <chem|st> harbaum: -devel?
Mar 07 15:17:56 <kerio> Uqjkt
Mar 07 15:17:59 <kerio> whoops
Mar 07 15:18:43 <harbaum> chem|st: There is no #maemo.devel or #harmattan-devel or are you talking about the mailing lists?
Mar 07 15:34:30 <chem|st> hardaker: #maemo-devel
Mar 07 15:34:46 <hardaker> ?
Mar 07 15:35:03 <chem|st> hardaker: sry
Mar 07 15:35:10 <chem|st> oh he is gone...
Mar 07 16:43:47 <celesteh_> the usb port on my n900 came lose and the phone won't charge. does anybody know if this is repairable?
Mar 07 16:45:18 <edheldil> celesteh_:  see the web site. It is repairable and if you are lucky, and are still under warranty, demand a replacement
Mar 07 16:45:52 <edheldil> repairable with some nontrivial skill and not 100%
Mar 07 16:46:21 <celesteh_> but a repair shop ought to be able to do it, probably?
Mar 07 16:46:33 <celesteh_> thx edheldil
Mar 07 16:47:05 <edheldil> depends on a repair shop - in africa very probably, in europe I am not so sure :)
Mar 07 17:50:46 <Sicelo> heh... what makes africa able to repair while europe can't? 
Mar 07 18:12:16 <SpeedEvil> Cost of labour.
Mar 07 18:13:00 <SpeedEvil> An hour of skilled techs time is a much smaller proportion of the cost of the product.
Mar 07 19:30:18 <ShadowJK> a telemarketere called today, asking what kinsd of phone I have, what I like about it, and what I'd like improved. He then offeresd me a Nokia E7. I told him I'd buy a N900 or N950 if he could acquire one for me.
Mar 07 19:30:30 <SpeedEvil> hah
Mar 07 19:30:55 <SpeedEvil> Or a lumia or 808 running harmattan?
Mar 07 19:33:34 <Sicelo> with N9 'officially' rooted recently ... i wonder if we can entertain realistic hopes 
Mar 07 20:03:03 <RST38h> Gizmodo people have salivated all over their own web site. It is literally too painful to watch.
Mar 07 20:06:06 <RST38h> "Not:apple" thing does not seem to work
Mar 07 20:20:01 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: this "official rooting" is maximum BS and will just result in one thing: Nokia fixing the flaw and therefore again delivering a new kernel, which again comes with no sources. Which means we again have to wait weeks or months until SDK1.2.1.iso will show up somewhere, so somebody is silly enough to again produce a proper openmode-kernel from it
Mar 07 20:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> and btw the 'author' of this "official rooting" is most concerned about how many newspapers and tweets are mentioning his great achievement (that actually doesn't achieve much that openmode kernel wouldn't deliver as well since months)
Mar 07 20:23:50 <Pali> should I again ask for DVD of source code? :D
Mar 07 20:24:09 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo: but please take it to #harmattan which I've quit to save my ears and eyes and nerves from dealing with exactly that topic
Mar 07 20:26:59 <Sicelo> i hung out on that chan a while in the early days.. but decided i love my N900 much better. sorry for being OT DocScrutinizer. i'd never even have know about this new development if it wasn't posted here hours before
Mar 07 20:28:29 <DocScrutinizer> Pali: I couldn't bother less. Javispedro and myself made PR1.2 kernel sources available yesterday, and same day this fool comes up with his 'great rooting tool" which doesn'T help fpor anything as I explained above. Well, he actually achieved to piss at least 3 contributors (incl me) who don't feel like fighting not only the insane 50% of Nokia staff but now also the 75% of stupid community that celebrates a tool that does nothing and will 
Mar 07 20:28:31 <DocScrutinizer> vanish in rather weeks than months
Mar 07 20:30:46 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it helps to know that several people tried since ~ xmass to explain to this cracker *why* we who know about how to root aegis since months haven't done what he now did
Mar 07 20:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> anyway MEH
Mar 07 20:31:54 <DocScrutinizer> & cyal8r
**** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 08 02:59:58 2012