**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 11 02:59:58 2012 Mar 11 03:03:11 do whatever you think is reasonable to your N900, just don't complain and whinge back at us when you've been negligent Mar 11 03:03:53 the last I checked was somewhere around AUD$300 for a functional N900 with all the original equipment Mar 11 03:05:31 i found one with 168 eur Mar 11 03:06:50 a little high priced imo, if the seller would offer meetup then I'd do that otherwise no Mar 11 03:08:34 phone, belt bag, some smaller bag, charger, usb cable, charging adapter, cleaning cloth, box, handsfree Mar 11 03:09:44 video cable too Mar 11 03:10:07 those bags aren't part of the standard N900 afaik Mar 11 03:10:25 the rest are pretty much standard minus quick start guide Mar 11 03:13:17 https://www.osta.ee/index.php?fuseaction=item.info&id=24618194 Mar 11 03:13:23 well, i'll see Mar 11 03:15:31 there's also that charger adapter, which is not part of the standard pack that I got. You might want to be a bit weary of that charger adapter too should you purchase one Mar 11 03:16:40 and the quick start guide is included, so it appears to me that those bags plus the charger adapter are extras Mar 11 03:17:30 in some areas, charging adapter was included Mar 11 03:18:14 i've read Mar 11 03:18:21 can't remember if also here Mar 11 03:19:51 http://www.kauplus.ee/images/big/8054.jpg <--- that? you sure? I never got that with my N900 Mar 11 03:20:58 well some reviewer got it Mar 11 03:22:22 he may have that limited edition promotion box N900 Mar 11 03:22:52 http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/devices/nokia-n900/specifications#package-sspc Mar 11 03:23:00 it mentions charging adapter Mar 11 03:23:15 however notices that exact package may vary Mar 11 03:24:02 it was put on site by mistake? Mar 11 03:25:40 hmm interesting.. well I don't know, the N900 that I got never came with that and I had to purchase that separately Mar 11 03:26:05 I guess the two bags are what the original owner purchased separately Mar 11 03:26:44 yes Mar 11 03:28:45 probably Mar 11 03:30:06 I still don't see how those bags would justify the high pricing for the overall sale. if anything they depreciate by as much as half value when initially purchased Mar 11 03:43:38 psycho_oreos: i don't understand, you said that price around 300 aud is normal? Mar 11 03:44:29 ketas, yes but that's awhile ago Mar 11 03:45:57 psycho_oreos: oh Mar 11 03:46:03 p Mar 11 03:46:07 s/p// Mar 11 03:46:09 ketas meant: Mar 11 03:46:16 * ketas pats infobot Mar 11 03:46:23 yea, i meant nothing Mar 11 03:47:17 psycho_oreos: so i'll be paying way too much? Mar 11 03:47:55 psycho_oreos: maybe yes Mar 11 03:48:51 ketas, maybe, I just piped a few lines into google translate and that item seems to be sold Mar 11 04:00:31 psycho_oreos: there is language select Mar 11 04:01:12 psycho_oreos: yes, sold to me... Mar 11 06:57:45 does maemo support playing wma files? Mar 11 06:57:50 i never tried it :) Mar 11 06:59:38 unencrpyted WMA with extra-decoders support might Mar 11 07:55:14 it worked Mar 11 11:25:03 hm, this N900's cellmo failure is progressing much much faster than the first N900 i had with same failure Mar 11 11:25:24 OOH FSCK Mar 11 11:26:36 you should pester Nokia to provide proper info on nature of this defect Mar 11 11:26:49 so there's at least a chance to fix it Mar 11 11:26:57 or even avoid it Mar 11 11:27:10 in USA you'd start a class action Mar 11 11:28:20 Except for the usb, the emmc and cellmo failure modes are diffuse enough to make people think shit software, nokia can't do software blah blah and then buy iphone Mar 11 11:28:55 and even in case of usb failure there's no attempts at making nokia make it right? :/ Mar 11 11:29:35 When my USB failed under warranty, they just replaced it with a new N900 no questions asked Mar 11 11:30:44 I just wondered for 50s whether I could find someone to investigate that problem to do me a favour, at office at 4th floor Mar 11 11:31:04 then I thought "WTF?! @Nokia they already did it" Mar 11 11:31:20 are you sure Mar 11 11:32:24 repair centre keeps phone 2months, flashes firmware, sends it back. User sends phone back for repair, repair centre keeps phone 2 months, sends a replacement. 25% of warranty period successfully wasted. Mar 11 11:32:41 they dont need to investigate :D Mar 11 11:34:06 and nokia doesn't do repairs? all outsourced Mar 11 11:34:33 they need to investigate, I'm sure about that. Somebody inside Nokia will get upset, and some statistics don't look good Mar 11 11:36:30 when you get a significant peak on a particular failuremode, and that failuremode is neither expected in that frequency nor clearly understood, then all the alarms start to yell at a hw manufacturer Mar 11 11:37:30 esp wehn you use basically same chipset that most probably is involved in that failure, in a later model as well Mar 11 11:38:16 I bet a N950 that Nokia has at least a file about the issue Mar 11 11:38:54 it's their #1024 I guess Mar 11 11:42:06 ooh, you might need this to get last post: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/1024 Mar 11 11:55:14 cellmo is returning to state at poweron on its own, raising rst. on linux side kernel notices rst line change, and a watchdog timeout occurs on communication with cellmo. Seems like some sort of recovery then happens, where software side on linux is reset and cellmo taken out of reset, initializing everything over Mar 11 11:56:07 It seems be more reproducible (thumb and finger pinch at 'f' on keyboard) if there's data transfer going on Mar 11 11:58:48 hell, Nokia Research and Analysis shall have a decent investigation of an error this precisely defined Mar 11 11:59:12 it never ever fails if N900 is sitting on a desk, can stream audio over 3g forever Mar 11 11:59:37 it only fails from pressure or acceleration Mar 11 11:59:42 I wonder if we can find anybody inside Nokia who's willing to shed some light on it, if not actually disclosing XRay, files, statistics etc Mar 11 12:01:17 well I can't even find anyone at Nokia that can tell me how the hell you're supposed to do warranties now that they no longer have nokia care points Mar 11 12:01:18 I mean, it's not acceptable that for some people SEVERAL devices break with this error during a 2 plus a lil years period of device usage, and Nokia doesn't even help to fix the issue Mar 11 12:01:21 drive to espoo? Mar 11 12:02:13 so chances of finding someone much much smarter than a person who could provide a mail address to repair centre seems unlikely :P Mar 11 12:03:13 I'm hoping for a few friends at HEL etc Mar 11 12:03:48 esp dm8 who only has to cross street to pester them until somebody comes up with an answer ;-) Mar 11 12:04:11 haven't seen him for quite a while though :-S Mar 11 12:06:46 I wonder if it's pcb flexing Mar 11 12:07:31 quite possibly Mar 11 12:07:46 might well be related to poor BGA soldering Mar 11 12:08:15 but of course may also be something completely different Mar 11 12:08:25 bonding breakage comes to mind Mar 11 12:08:45 poorly done vias come to mind Mar 11 12:08:57 corrosion Mar 11 12:09:47 components at edge of spec (Cs may have -50% from what's "printed on them", see #1024) Mar 11 12:09:59 my first n900 with this fault was replaced, corrosion would be a "your fault you luser" thing wouldn't it? Mar 11 12:10:16 nah, nokia never did this Mar 11 12:10:26 except for *obvious* cases Mar 11 12:10:56 oh I thought they did it if you ever got a call in a fog Mar 11 12:10:59 corrosion may happen on several levels Mar 11 12:11:39 and usually investigation of such cause is way more expensive than a simple swap no questions asked Mar 11 13:34:12 ~seen achippa Mar 11 13:34:12 i haven't seen 'achippa', DocScrutinizer Mar 11 13:34:17 ~seen achipa Mar 11 13:34:17 achipa <~attila@a91-155-190-80.elisa-laajakaista.fi> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 118d 3h 43m 26s ago, saying: 'also libqtm-12 seems to have lost the promotion block so it's borked in general as it propagated to testing'. Mar 11 13:34:39 umm Mar 11 14:22:40 ~seen attila Mar 11 14:22:46 dm8tbr: i haven't seen 'attila' Mar 11 16:38:37 Everyone who is afraid of breaking the usb port, don't look: http://enivax.net/jk/n900/usb_ok.jpg Mar 11 16:38:41 tempting fate.. Mar 11 16:39:22 I have been careless with mine's and still's there Mar 11 16:39:42 moo javispedro Mar 11 16:39:57 moo RST38h Mar 11 16:40:06 ShadowJK: this arrangement is actually ok, you are not bending the port Mar 11 16:40:21 it is hanging at a bit of an angle :P Mar 11 16:40:46 urgh Mar 11 16:41:34 awww ShadowJK, this image hurts so much. Mar 11 16:42:24 you should put a zip drive in the 3.5 slot there Mar 11 16:42:36 then, eject the drive when the n900 needs some rest Mar 11 16:42:54 (or when you want to definitely break the port :) ) Mar 11 16:43:32 but the usb port is in the 3.5" slot :P Mar 11 16:44:04 thinking the one that seems to be behind the n900, but it might be something else Mar 11 16:45:00 yeah it's a card reader / usb port combo that fits in 3.5" slot Mar 11 16:45:08 the usb port is part of it Mar 11 16:45:57 transfering emmc contents from my backup pc to my spare n900 Mar 11 20:18:04 is harmattan's accounts framework accessible through python? Mar 11 20:19:07 #harmattan Mar 11 22:14:44 Now my N900 dropped off cellular entirely. It has really degraded quickly, in a weekend Mar 11 22:14:53 :/ Mar 11 22:22:18 @ShadowJK, wdym, the cell applet disappears or cell svcs just fail? Mar 11 22:24:55 both actually Mar 11 22:26:23 the cell applet is just buggy for me Mar 11 22:26:28 prolly need to reflash soon Mar 11 22:27:34 dmesg is filled with cmt crashing Mar 11 22:28:53 ah, well i get none of that Mar 11 22:34:56 Second N900 of mine that has died this way Mar 11 22:43:21 you can still use it as a thin client though Mar 11 22:43:23 and testing stuff Mar 11 22:55:13 as tablet Mar 11 22:55:21 but I have 10 months left on warranty Mar 11 22:55:42 hm, it seems somewhat tricky to convince N900 and my linux PC to do transfer over USB in a sensible way Mar 11 22:55:53 I was using wifi, but decided to switch to usb for speed... Mar 11 22:56:35 * ShadowJK notices a top speed of 15 megabytes/sec when switching scheduler on pc from cfq to noop, but then it dropped to 7M after switch complete Mar 11 23:42:14 ~flashing Mar 11 23:42:14 [maemo-flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 12 01:53:14 hello world Mar 12 01:53:41 does anyone know of a maemo5 app that can search the address book by phone num\er? Mar 12 01:55:51 great... i found my problem Mar 12 01:56:07 i have 5+ contacts for a name Mar 12 01:56:32 and one of those additional contacts grew the phone number from the primary contact **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 12 02:59:58 2012