**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 23 02:59:58 2012 Mar 23 03:25:47 hello Mar 23 03:26:38 i cant update system repos on my n900, got ssl23_get_server_hello : unknown protocol error Mar 23 03:27:21 sounds like you Mar 23 03:27:36 you've removed https/ssl support? Mar 23 03:28:13 hm, how could i do that? Mar 23 03:29:00 I don't know how you exactly did it, but it just sounds like https (or ssl) isn't supported or cannot be handled Mar 23 03:29:44 i'm behind transparent proxy btw, but https sites like gmail.com work find Mar 23 03:29:52 *fine Mar 23 03:31:10 I wonder if apt-proxy would help in this case, it might Mar 23 03:32:03 looks like i dont have apt-proxy installed Mar 23 03:33:25 i'm not a debian guy, but apt-cache search apt-proxy gives nothing Mar 23 03:34:32 you don't run apt-proxy on N900 :) but nevertheless, umm maybe this might help? http://blog.mypapit.net/2006/02/how-to-use-apt-get-behind-proxy-server-ubuntudebian.html Mar 23 03:35:23 ok, lets see Mar 23 03:36:06 hm hm hm Mar 23 03:36:23 should i install bash? there is only ash by default Mar 23 03:37:36 how to backup N900 on Linux with command ? I hope to backup the whole N900 disk. Mar 23 03:38:23 loz`, ash should be sufficient, I personally use bash myself so bash would almost be a necessity Mar 23 03:38:41 Evanescence, not with command but you can try a program called backupmenu by robbiethe1st Mar 23 03:39:40 psycho_oreos: I installed, but now N900 can not start backupmenu.... so I decide to backup whole N900 on Linux. like dd will clone whole disk. Mar 23 03:40:46 psycho_oreos: could you tell how to properly upgrade repos from command line? :) Mar 23 03:40:58 Evanescence, you do realise that dd is a very bad idea in general? Mar 23 03:41:52 loz`, I don't normally upgrade via command line as I have extras-devel enabled and doing upgrades would instantly mess my setup Mar 23 03:42:19 psycho_oreos: I do not know which method is simple and quick for N900 to backup whole disk. but I remember that command dd has similar function to clone whole disk. Just in case of I can not start backupmenu. Mar 23 03:42:23 hm, look like i mean update repos cache Mar 23 03:44:18 Evanescence, in short there isn't. You can't simply backup the entire N900 through dd and you can't tar the whole thing easily. There is an alternative method that I have in mind but I have not experimented (and I wouldn't want to as its pointless) Mar 23 03:44:31 loz`, apt-get update Mar 23 03:46:06 psycho_oreos: hmm, maybe Clonezilla can do this, but I do not know how to use Clonezilla to clone N900. Clonezilla should be able to clone different format filesystem. Mar 23 03:48:20 Evanescence, even if theoretically lets say you can clone/backup through alternative means. Do you actually have a way to restore the cloned images without risking the brick? Don't forget that N900 has kernel which is inaccessible through block devices. I seriously think you're mulling over what if when backupmenu fails to work Mar 23 03:48:46 err mulling too much Mar 23 03:49:33 Well, DD will actually work to back things up, if you can getr access to the block devices... which are only exposed on-device Mar 23 03:50:05 So, you have to have software setup on the device -- not on your connected PC -- to make the backuo Mar 23 03:50:11 psycho_oreos: well, it's true, N900 now restart over and over again. can not startup. Mar 23 03:51:18 Also, restore is an issue; again, you can't restore using DD unless you have some software on-device so you have access to the block devices. And, for the NAND flash, DD ignores bad-blocks. which makes things iffy(though it'll usually work if you are restoring to the same device). Mar 23 03:51:32 psycho_oreos: ok, apt-get update works, and updated all repos, will i see new packages in app manager gui? Mar 23 03:51:33 ...Which is why Backupmenu doesn't use DD anymore. Mar 23 03:51:44 * psycho_oreos thinks dd is seriously not a useful tool to backup N900. 1) It'll create a rather large image of N900 which requires 32GB microSD card minimum, and 2) how the hell do you expect to restore that dd image? Mar 23 03:52:12 you don't backup mydocs Mar 23 03:52:27 loz`, I'm presuming you won't Mar 23 03:52:41 ...Well, as far as the MyDocs partition goes, that's easy - it can be exposed over USB, so you can simply run DD for backup and restore from your PC... which hopefully has more than 32GB of space Mar 23 03:52:54 SpeedEvil, well yeah you run dd twice, one for rootfs and the other for maybe /opt && /home Mar 23 03:52:55 It's the partitions *other* than MyDocs that are tricky Mar 23 03:53:47 Especially since you can't expose the NAND flash over USB. At least, not that I know of. OptFS is possible, provided you're running from a ramdisk chroot and the FS isn't in use Mar 23 03:54:52 I'd love to know of a way(May need a custom driver or something?) to expose the NAND partitions over USB Mass Storage... Mar 23 03:55:53 Ah well. I'm off. Check the backupmenu forum topic for a flashable rootfs image with backupmenu, so you can rescue the stuff in your optfs(settings/config, etc) Mar 23 03:56:21 rootfs is trashed if you can't boot off it, but you can save the optfs data if you like. Mar 23 03:56:34 Well, I'm off. Mar 23 03:56:41 cya Mar 23 03:58:25 psycho_oreos: any way to force update work in gui? Mar 23 03:59:14 loz`, force update? what about that update option in HAM? Mar 23 04:00:28 hm, can i run it from terminal? only there i can set these proxy variables Mar 23 04:01:35 loz`, you mean in other words, these variables are ignored under HAM? Mar 23 04:02:38 well, i havent found ash rc file Mar 23 07:39:29 hi, i wonder if someone can help me. i am trying to install the latest cssu update but im having problems. Mar 23 07:40:00 i think i broke something with apt-get autoremove, and now the update wont install because it wants rtcom-accounts-voip-support. Mar 23 07:40:41 now ive done some searching and im not the first to get this problem, however the suggest fix (apt-get install rtcom-accounts-voip-support) is failing with "no installation candidate found". Mar 23 07:41:01 so i can only assume that ive broken my feeds / repository configuration in some way. Mar 23 07:46:59 that's strange Mar 23 07:47:29 rtcom-accounts-voip-support should be in maemo base repo Mar 23 07:48:56 sorry for spamming... Mar 23 07:49:00 ~ # apt-cache policy rtcom-accounts-voip-support Mar 23 07:49:02 rtcom-accounts-voip-support: Mar 23 07:49:03 Installed: 4.140-1+0m5 Mar 23 07:49:05 Candidate: 4.140-1+0m5 Mar 23 07:49:06 Version table: Mar 23 07:49:08 *** 4.140-1+0m5 0 Mar 23 07:49:09 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages Mar 23 07:49:11 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status Mar 23 07:50:19 lo DocScrutinizer thanks for responding. Mar 23 07:50:45 yes, ive found it referred to in many places Mar 23 07:51:06 but if i try and install it tells me that no installation candidate is available. Mar 23 07:51:35 apt-cache search shows a few other rtcom-blah packages Mar 23 07:51:39 but not that one ;/ Mar 23 07:53:33 check your catalogs for https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com Mar 23 07:53:58 roger Mar 23 07:57:53 DocScrutinizer: i have nokia applications: https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ and https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/205 Mar 23 07:58:09 hmm Mar 23 07:58:39 just letting ham do its thing and ill try again but i dont think it will work. Mar 23 07:58:51 dunno right now... maybe ask somebody of the repo wizards about it Mar 23 07:59:14 well ive made a few posts. Mar 23 07:59:29 ill stick about throughout the day and ask again when busier. Mar 23 07:59:33 thanks for your help anyway. Mar 23 08:00:54 http://maemo.org/packages/view/rtcom-accounts-voip-support/ Mar 23 08:01:18 install using dpkg Mar 23 08:02:16 DocScrutinizer: yeah i thought of that Mar 23 08:02:22 and im possibly being a massive thicko Mar 23 08:02:28 but i cant seem to find binaries for it there. Mar 23 08:02:42 i mean, if you go to the left and look at the other packages you can find .debs Mar 23 08:02:48 but not for this one! :| Mar 23 08:03:26 wow! Mar 23 08:03:30 i think its fixed. Mar 23 08:03:31 BWAHAHA: Maemo 5 device root filesystem (>= PR1.2) rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.140-1+0m5;; Maemo 5 device SSU repository (>= PR1.2) rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.131-1+0m5 --- look at the versions Mar 23 08:03:42 yep Mar 23 08:03:45 looks like i have it! Mar 23 08:03:50 i dunno what has happened here. Mar 23 08:04:09 id removed those two repositorys (the nokia ones) AFTER i saw this problem. Mar 23 08:04:18 thats why i didnt think putting them back would work Mar 23 08:04:29 SSU older than rootfs Mar 23 08:04:31 but it seems to have made apt rethink something. Mar 23 08:04:44 its just installed it. Mar 23 08:04:53 i promise you, it happened just like im describing! Mar 23 08:04:58 im not actually crazy! Mar 23 08:04:59 :) Mar 23 08:05:04 I bet it did Mar 23 08:05:09 always does Mar 23 08:05:25 there's some severe fsckup about this and a few other pkgs Mar 23 08:05:44 to be fair, Mar 23 08:05:58 the "severe fsckup" (the one im taking credit for) Mar 23 08:06:08 occurred when i had a thought process that went: Mar 23 08:06:30 "yay! apt-get autoremove! i know exactly what im doing as i am an expert!" Mar 23 08:06:37 I again bet it included "apt-get autoremove" Mar 23 08:07:09 right im going to be late for work. Mar 23 08:07:17 as im not leaving th flat without shiny new cssu! Mar 23 08:07:17 :) Mar 23 08:07:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70875&highlight=sip Mar 23 08:07:57 yes i know! :( Mar 23 08:08:06 its still strange though. Mar 23 08:08:21 i mean the warnings are dire, and so they should be, Mar 23 08:08:34 but it should be easily fixed with apt-get install Mar 23 08:09:02 i have no idea what made my repositories go crazy. Mar 23 08:15:09 nfc, sometimes some of the repo servers act strange, and maybe deliver bogus info about available pkgs etc Mar 23 08:16:16 anyway, thanks for your technical support and spiritual (and medical) guidance. Mar 23 08:16:21 it is much appreciated! Mar 23 08:16:23 anyway check you got the newer version of rtcom Mar 23 08:16:49 will do. Mar 23 08:16:56 cssu upgraded now so all looks good. Mar 23 08:17:22 rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.140-1+0m5 looks good to me, vs rtcom-accounts-voip-support 4.131-1+0m5 Mar 23 08:18:05 what, what was it I got...? Mar 23 08:18:19 140, pfffooh Mar 23 08:20:14 I dunno if the difference is any noticeable, but anyway it's rather strange rootfs-version is newer than SSU version. Another indication why this problem only appears for those that updated to 1.2 via SSU, not for those who flashed (IIRC) Mar 23 08:21:32 maybe it was other way round, as I frequently have to reinstall rtcom-voip after every cssu update Mar 23 08:21:35 :-/ Mar 23 08:22:12 we still seem to have not completely squished that bug Mar 23 08:22:50 as I said, sth thoroughly fsckdup in apt and repo dependencies Mar 23 08:29:51 can anyone give me any underground movies links? Mar 23 08:30:21 lol Mar 23 08:30:31 Like example, if i want to watch matrix from computer, then has anyone got a link? Mar 23 08:31:51 You understand i'm talking to you? Mar 23 08:34:03 this is not a warez channel Mar 23 08:37:45 Thanks for the info! Mar 23 08:42:30 koo3: koo4 ko1 koo5 what's wrong with your clients? so many clients, no bouncer? Mar 23 08:43:17 and what's wrong with yur client koo2? ;-D Mar 23 08:44:49 k1o: waaah Mar 23 08:49:21 koo5: please check your irc client's settings, it looks to me it's picking a new nick every time $random-condition happens (roaming, joining new chan? dunno), while not dropping the old connection Mar 23 08:49:35 this for sure is not what you want your client to do Mar 23 08:51:11 hmm, xchat Mar 23 08:51:38 I can't even figure what you did Mar 23 08:52:03 anyway that's odd for sure Mar 23 08:52:11 DocScrutinizer: you seem to be talking with yourself Mar 23 08:52:33 why do you think so? Mar 23 08:52:57 because koo* probably whispers to you Mar 23 08:53:07 err, ok Mar 23 08:53:14 whatever you say Mar 23 08:53:31 np, just found it funny Mar 23 08:54:11 well, would you find it less funny to /kick ko*[0-9] Mar 23 08:54:24 we should kill Baggins, my precious, we should ;-) Mar 23 08:54:59 you can whisper back. I did not want to offend you Mar 23 08:55:31 you can use /whois to get a better idea what might be going on with koo Mar 23 08:56:04 I'm just trying to keep channel sane, and help users Mar 23 08:56:37 and, as we all should be aware, IRC is an async medium. No need for koo* to answer right away Mar 23 08:57:06 [2012-03-23 09:47:35] [Whois] koo5 ist seit 1 Stunde, 44 Minuten und 3 Sekunden untätig. Mar 23 08:57:08 [2012-03-23 09:47:35] [Whois] koo5 ist seit dem 2012-03-23 08:03:31 online. Mar 23 08:57:24 [2012-03-23 09:41:24] [Whois] ko1 ist seit 1 Tag, 7 Stunden, 20 Minuten und 48 Sekunden untätig. Mar 23 08:57:25 [2012-03-23 09:41:24] [Whois] ko1 ist seit dem 2012-03-13 16:26:01 online. Mar 23 08:59:39 anyway, help yourself now, I'm off Mar 23 08:59:42 DocScrutinizer: for what its worth i updated rather than flashing. Mar 23 08:59:54 o.k. have a good day! and thanks again for your help earlier. Mar 23 09:00:01 HRH_H_Crab: thanks for mentioning Mar 23 09:00:07 YW Mar 23 09:24:19 hi all. Since A few days ago I updated my n900 to newest CSSU (I think it's 2.1, with 1.2 already installed). Since then my phone seems to sometimes get confused about whether it is in landscape/portrait orientation. Mar 23 09:24:26 Does anyone know what might be going on? Mar 23 09:36:56 dafox: /join #maemo-ssu Mar 23 10:11:24 DocScrutinizer, ill look into it later,must run now:) it gets less sane when xchat misteriously disappears and i start a new one:) Mar 23 17:19:18 weird xchat.. Mar 23 17:40:25 irc from a plane is awesome. Mar 23 17:43:24 its da bomb. Mar 23 18:19:15 trumee_afk: how did you manage Mar 23 18:19:45 trumee_afk: long ethernet cable? Mar 23 18:27:30 He just downloaded the internet to his phone before he left Mar 23 18:33:03 omg i'm in his phone Mar 23 18:33:05 we all are! Mar 23 18:33:25 damnit, I shoulda taken the blue pill Mar 23 20:19:28 ? Mar 23 20:19:58 hello Mar 23 20:21:33 I have an issue with maemo and hildon desktop. I installed theme customizer and I set a new theme and next a new font. After that hildon began to hang so I remove theme customizer and hildon. Next I tried to reinstall hildon with apt-get install hildon-desktop and I get the following error => http://pastebin.com/AuJ0VJFJ Mar 23 20:21:42 Do you know how can I resolv this ? Mar 23 22:41:09 got some problems with flashing my n900 Mar 23 22:41:26 Image 'mmc', size 255947 kB Version RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA Mar 23 22:41:27 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Mar 23 22:41:36 flashing the EMMC Mar 23 22:41:51 and connected the device and did press U on the keyboard Mar 23 22:41:51 etc Mar 23 22:42:03 so it did enter to the flashing mode Mar 23 22:42:16 yellow light is on Mar 23 22:42:27 and windows said "blim" so it did detect the device Mar 23 22:42:57 got any clue? Mar 23 22:42:58 anyone? Mar 23 23:13:04 Ville-, maybe 64bit windows and using 32bit binary flashing? maybe you need to be administrator? maybe you have some other program that is controlling the USB port? Mar 23 23:13:10 ~flashing Mar 23 23:13:10 well, maemo-flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 23 23:15:03 read that, and also check tmo (if they are still up of course). I don't use windows but it is somewhat recommended more often that one should flash using linux Mar 23 23:18:16 i have no luck to flash N900 under Win7 64bit, usb device will not be found Mar 23 23:18:16 psycho yeah thats right Mar 23 23:18:35 i'm using 64bit windows and 32bit flasher Mar 23 23:18:47 will do that tomorrow with my debian laptop Mar 23 23:20:11 i have to reflash it because i broke the dpkg and sudo packages with upgrading them Mar 23 23:20:34 and it would not fix the dependencies without reinstalling the whole system Mar 23 23:20:47 so i think reflashing would be the trick Mar 23 23:22:30 flashing emmc to fix that won't work Mar 23 23:22:47 why? Mar 23 23:23:01 i tought it will replace the whole system with original one Mar 23 23:23:28 psycho_oreos, is there any way to fix this? Mar 23 23:24:13 Ville-, you need to flash it with a fiasco image not emmc. Emmc just erases personal data that's usually stored on the 29GB Mar 23 23:24:49 is fiasco earier to flash than emmc? Mar 23 23:24:56 easier* Mar 23 23:25:38 i did read something about if i will flash the emmc then i have to flash it with fiasco image too Mar 23 23:26:17 uhm I don't think there's no easier/harder, they are more or less the same.. though generally fiasco is easier to flash. Failing the flashing of fiasco usually results in semi-bricked N900, failing the flashing of emmc usually results in /home/user/MyDocs unmountable/unreadable Mar 23 23:26:23 yes Mar 23 23:26:51 though if you flashed both emmc and fiasco, that does a complete wipe of your N900 back to when you first bought the device Mar 23 23:27:03 yeah. thanks for your help! Mar 23 23:27:17 hi psycho_oreos Mar 23 23:27:24 i'm exprienced with linux and especially debian distribution, but not with maemo Mar 23 23:27:38 hi DocScrutinizer Mar 23 23:27:46 Ville-: there's not so much special stuff in it Mar 23 23:28:05 i think there is, and thats why i broke my system Mar 23 23:28:24 i upgraded sudo and dpkg and it just screw up Mar 23 23:28:33 with debian squeeze packages.... Mar 23 23:29:00 well, you can't upgrade maemo with arbitrary pkgs Mar 23 23:29:06 yeah Mar 23 23:29:12 i did learn that today. Mar 23 23:30:06 though, an upgrade of sudo was something that's much appreciated and should be possible, when done carefully Mar 23 23:30:42 'our' sudo is do friggin outdated it doesn't even know of subdirs in config Mar 23 23:31:08 that'S basically why we need kinky stuff like update-sudoers script Mar 23 23:31:45 s/do outdated/so outdated/ Mar 23 23:32:37 that aside, there's nothing special in maemo sudo AFAIK Mar 23 23:32:52 I suppose inherently apt-get won't work if dpkg is really borked? Mar 23 23:33:09 hmm prolly Mar 23 23:33:44 nasty, yeah.. I was thinking of apt-getting dpkg from maemo repositories again to see if that helps Mar 23 23:35:22 updating apt and/or dpkg is probably some of the trickier things to do on a linux system ;-D Mar 23 23:35:31 maybe getting the updated dpkg to somehow install the old dpkg from maemo repositories, though I suppose you could in theory do it all by hand by extracting dpkg out and installing by hand lol Mar 23 23:35:56 well yeah, they are more or less the roots of the package management system :) Mar 23 23:36:21 you always could use an auxiliary system Mar 23 23:36:53 like easy-debian Mar 23 23:37:22 then install to original filesystem instead of 'local' Mar 23 23:38:08 I didn't think that would be possible, but of course one needs easydebian installed beforehand, more or less Mar 23 23:38:19 yep ;-D Mar 23 23:38:31 tar probably mist sane approach Mar 23 23:38:36 most* Mar 23 23:38:56 the 'good ole' way Mar 23 23:39:17 heh tarballs, configure && make && make install Mar 23 23:39:20 get tarball, extract to where it belongs Mar 23 23:39:56 after all it's just a (set of) binary file(s) Mar 23 23:40:32 more or less in the data.tar.gz blob anyway Mar 23 23:40:42 so 'make install' should suffice as well, given your tarball already has the stuff prebuilt Mar 23 23:42:02 btw, it's "sudo make install", no? Mar 23 23:43:32 under the debian (and the likes) environment yeah.. though with sudo being borked as well, things are going to be a lot more fun especially when for example the root account is either locked (passwordless for instance) or there's no su Mar 23 23:43:57 eh :-P Mar 23 23:45:36 dang, chat.freenode.net acts up. My bouncer reconnect-loops with timeuts Mar 23 23:45:48 DocScrutinizer51: ping Mar 23 23:46:08 I usually set mine to a specific server instead of the `redirector' Mar 23 23:46:36 hmm, I tried that but for some reason that failed too eventually Mar 23 23:47:05 freenode staff laughed at me for not using chat.freenode.net Mar 23 23:47:08 weird maybe it cannot connect to that server for some weird reason Mar 23 23:47:40 maybe the current server I get from geoDNS is down Mar 23 23:47:59 ] [Whois] DocScrutinizer51 ist auf dem Server barjavel.freenode.net (Paris, FR). Mar 23 23:48:13 heh I don't think there's that much to laugh about :) in my country, connections linking intercontinentally are so frail that at times even when there's no netsplits, I get huge huge amounts of lag Mar 23 23:49:20 I used to use kornbluth, but that one been down for extended period some time ago Mar 23 23:49:40 now it seems barjavel barfs up Mar 23 23:49:51 yeah I've used kornbluth, then verne but now I found a local one, roddenbery Mar 23 23:50:12 for me kornbluth is a local as it gets Mar 23 23:50:37 ouch Mar 23 23:51:08 though I thought EU nations have one of the best interconnections compared to elsewhere no? :) Mar 23 23:51:22 sure Mar 23 23:51:27 maybe a neighbouring country that has freenode IRCd might help ;) Mar 23 23:51:47 nevertheless why use a french server when I got a german one some180km away Mar 23 23:52:25 just that friggin geoDNS is not really working Mar 23 23:53:04 * psycho_oreos thinks that might be temporarily but *shrugs* its a wild guess Mar 23 23:53:16 I hope so Mar 23 23:55:32 for now stopping wlancond is working wonders when it comes to wifi pentesting lol Mar 23 23:55:37 and there goes the split Mar 24 00:06:55 yeah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 24 02:59:58 2012