**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 31 02:59:59 2012 Mar 31 05:51:28 hi Mar 31 05:54:22 alright, i got my N900 back from the repairshop temporarily to try to recover my files and stuff (they fucked the somthing that talks to the screen, the screen itself is working, according tot he repair guy he tried a different board on the same screen and it works); using VNC or the RCA cable doesn't work, the resolution is crazy, very short and wide; SSH works; besides getting my files i... Mar 31 05:54:23 ...would like to at least try to diagnose what the fuck happened to the display capabilities; any ideas? Mar 31 05:54:52 Oh, and no USB, that is what made me bring it to the repairshop, dead USB; i can only use WiFi Mar 31 06:33:53 cd palm Mar 31 06:34:01 sorry for noisy.. Mar 31 06:37:06 is xrandr avaiable and safe to use with the N900? Mar 31 06:38:06 btw, what does the following tells you? omapdss MANAGER error: dispc_setup_plane failed for ovl 2 Mar 31 07:47:28 Is there a way to force the N900 to switch it's display to a different resolution (even if it thiunks the current display device can't handle it) in a way that if somthing goes wrong the changes aren't saved for the next boot? Mar 31 09:50:26 Why the fuck does it think the screen wants to be at 720x8 ?! Mar 31 10:56:21 TiagoTiago: i wonder if they didn't mess your ribbon .. but i got 720x8 or sth. like that when running debian on my n900. problem was dbus not correctly populating /dev Mar 31 10:56:46 Is it somthing that can be fixed by software? Mar 31 10:57:03 i would return it.. to rule out hardware Mar 31 10:57:41 TiagoTiago: i'' no guru.. also wait here for more knowledgeable people Mar 31 10:58:03 I don't hold much hope on that repairshop, i'm returning it, but i would like to try to understand what happen while it's on my hands Mar 31 10:58:30 debian would sometimes say it discovered a 196*14 screen, lol Mar 31 10:59:03 start by examining your Xorg.log Mar 31 11:00:04 Xorg.0.log, rather Mar 31 11:01:19 "No Layout section. Using the first Screen section." "No screen section avaiable. Using defaults." Mar 31 11:02:23 paste all of it somewhere.. Mar 31 11:02:34 moment Mar 31 11:05:13 http://pastebin.com/BVcPwxeh Mar 31 11:11:48 i don't know.. but your omapfb video memory is 32kB, as opposed to 1920kB on mine :/ Mar 31 11:12:41 Could it have burned off all those kilobytes and just think it is supposed to be like that? Mar 31 11:19:10 i'm not sure waht you mean.. but i'd still suspect your ribbon cable Mar 31 11:20:10 if you're sure it's fine, i'd reflash combined. Mar 31 11:20:40 but i'm sure the experts here, if you're patient, may find you a better diagnosis Mar 31 11:20:59 no USB, that is why i took it to the repairshop in the firstplace Mar 31 11:22:33 dang. i hear you 'can' flash from SD card .. not sure of the details... in any case, maybe you just need reinstall of dbus & xserver -- hypothetical guess Mar 31 11:29:50 I was hoping i was gonna be able to figure out what had happened to it...oh well, gonna leave the battery charging on the external charger and once it's full start copying my files to hand the device back to the repairshop for them to try to build a frankenstein with spare parts to at least give me back somthing in the same conditions as what i had left with them when my USB died... Mar 31 11:31:51 don't return it just yet.. someone will probably help you here Mar 31 11:32:26 I still gonna be wasting lots of time copying my files over WiFi once the battery is full again Mar 31 11:34:28 you say even tv out doesn't work? Mar 31 11:34:52 Yeah, and the resolution is that same crazy 720x8 via VNC Mar 31 11:40:10 EasyDeb's xrandr says the device is supposed to handle a minimum of 8x8 and a maximum of 720x720 Mar 31 12:50:36 Hi! Why is it that I lost wireless access after a system update? (via apt-get) Mar 31 12:52:10 something went wrong Mar 31 12:52:30 also, dist-upgrade is wrong Mar 31 12:52:36 Prior to the update, no other things were done. Mar 31 12:52:38 Hmm. Mar 31 12:52:41 Why? Mar 31 12:54:08 (i'm currently restoring from backups) im still interested to know why. Mar 31 12:56:00 you used dist-upgrade? Mar 31 12:56:07 ya Mar 31 12:56:12 probably upgraded to a broken lib from some repo Mar 31 12:56:29 hmm. technically, i used aptitude safe-upgrade Mar 31 12:56:54 aptitude, even if it is smarter, is not the software servicing tool for maemo Mar 31 12:57:02 nokia fucked up apt on maemo, doesn't work like it should on debian Mar 31 12:57:27 use command line upgrade only when necessary Mar 31 12:57:33 otherwise, use ham/fapman Mar 31 12:57:44 ok Mar 31 12:57:45 g2g, sr2 Mar 31 12:57:48 ebzzry: you are restoring from backups - without bothering to investigate how/why it's broken? Mar 31 12:58:32 r00t|home: i am restoring from backups, yes. but not without bothering to investigate. Mar 31 12:58:53 so you found it impossible to fix without restoring? Mar 31 12:59:16 the phone's connectivity to the internet is critical, so i needed it backup up. i am curious what happened, because i will reproduce it. Mar 31 12:59:43 r00t|home: i did not find it impossible. it was just that i had constraints. Mar 31 12:59:59 good Mar 31 13:00:17 if i can find what went wrong, then i will redo it. Mar 31 13:00:23 redo what borked it. Mar 31 13:01:21 i was about to ask hurrian what source does he have for saying that apt is broken on maemo5 Mar 31 13:02:50 using gui tools for updating is time consuming. having to wait for fam for updates drives me nuts. Mar 31 13:03:06 do you have insights on the issue? Mar 31 13:03:56 nothing, sorrry Mar 31 13:04:10 fam is horrible indeed... i wonder how it managed to be so slow... Mar 31 13:04:11 ok. nevertheless, you raised a good question Mar 31 13:04:20 *manages Mar 31 13:04:45 i do not know with others, but i find it impossbible for ham to have a way to select multiple items for one operation. Mar 31 13:05:12 and that, combines with the slowness, is fatal Mar 31 13:05:15 with fam, whenever i do something, it performs updates. unfortunately, i do not have a spectacular connection Mar 31 13:05:31 also, having to answer that stupid dialog for any 3rd-party package... Mar 31 13:06:07 /sigh/ Mar 31 13:06:33 when i upgrade installed packages, i use apt-get or apitude. until earlier, i have been using apt-get or aptitude to upgrade the whole system. Mar 31 13:06:55 i also do not know how to disable the annoying blinking icon that shows in the status area when updates to packages are available Mar 31 13:08:00 iirc i read you can kill the update-checking thing... (consider possible waste of bandwidth, too) Mar 31 13:08:24 do you have any links or links to links that i can go check out? Mar 31 13:11:01 customizing maemo section in wiki Mar 31 13:11:11 thatks Mar 31 13:11:13 thanks* Mar 31 13:12:08 also, ham is more preferable because it performs more complete checks on such things adependencies, etc. it's already ben mentioned here that maemo isn't debian Mar 31 13:12:25 ok, sicelo Mar 31 13:27:39 Which is the best distro for installing maemo SDK ? The one in which scratchpad just works ! Mar 31 13:27:49 debian ubuntu ? which version? Mar 31 13:27:56 any should wurk Mar 31 13:28:00 s/wurk/work/ Mar 31 13:28:01 merlin1991 meant: any should work Mar 31 13:28:17 i've got it running on the current kubuntu (x64) without problems Mar 31 13:28:18 12.04 ubuntu beta ? Mar 31 13:31:55 I have run it on Linux Mint debian edition and it kind of stops at installing maemo-sdk-dev . Gives a warning and suspends . I am using the GUI mode Mar 31 13:41:07 Could someone with a N900 upload a copy of your Xorg.conf please? Mar 31 14:03:28 TiagoTiago: your flex connector is defect Mar 31 14:04:12 The conector itself and not the cable that goes in it? Mar 31 14:04:35 TiagoTiago: replacing xorg.conf helps nuttin, not even for proof Mar 31 14:05:14 TiagoTiago: I like to think it's the board2board connector at end of flex, that plugs into mainboard Mar 31 14:05:21 Wouldn't that give me a workable screen to work via VNC? Mar 31 14:05:28 nope Mar 31 14:05:51 fb is somewhat messed up when flex defect Mar 31 14:06:03 And it won't help with TV out either i guess... Mar 31 14:06:09 nope Mar 31 14:06:39 I know this definitely ;-D Mar 31 14:06:59 No way to tell it to render the screen without hardware acceleration or whatever, just in software so i can use it via VNC? Mar 31 14:07:13 dunno Mar 31 14:09:11 What about Xforwarding? If i can set my desktop machine to receive it, would that gimme a remote Hildon? Mar 31 14:09:42 should Mar 31 14:10:06 if that works with hildon at all Mar 31 14:10:21 hm Mar 31 14:12:29 Now i need to figure out what switch on the BIOS of my desktop will let me boot Linux and hope the hard drive isn't fucked up in Linux partition... Mar 31 14:13:09 Btw, usually what causes this issues with the flex? Mar 31 14:16:58 disassembly, or just nothing Mar 31 14:17:40 for sure a credit card pushed in between kbd and screen half will also do Mar 31 14:18:48 usual root cause: poor quality of the cable Mar 31 14:20:52 some time ago new flex cables were on fleabay or sth, for some 20 bucks Mar 31 14:21:32 The repairguy, that likelly messed it up, says the issue is in the board itself Mar 31 14:22:22 "cable" is a bit misleading, it's the whole "board" of the screen halve, incl camera, porx sensor, ALS, LED, mic, earpiece Mar 31 14:22:45 i see Mar 31 14:23:05 so if he didn't say "main board", he might still be correct Mar 31 14:23:47 don't blame the repair guy, I for sure am no fool and it happened to me as well Mar 31 14:23:56 some cables are crap Mar 31 14:26:10 (I'm not all sure about the camera btw, might be a separate flex board connected to the main flex) Mar 31 14:27:27 Camera seems to sitll be working somewhat, at least from what i could see in the thin crunched strip that shows on the TV; the live image from the camera looks no worse than the hands video Mar 31 14:27:49 front camera! Mar 31 14:28:03 ah, lol Mar 31 14:28:27 that would probably be much more complicated to test in the current state of affairs Mar 31 14:28:38 yep Mar 31 14:29:03 defects in earpiece/mic are testable I guess? Mar 31 14:29:14 also LED is testable Mar 31 14:29:25 all doesn't really help Mar 31 14:29:46 the symthoms are cleare same as with my broken FPC Mar 31 14:29:55 aka "cable" Mar 31 14:30:05 aka flex Mar 31 14:36:17 WTF? digitizers for 29$, 40$, 53$. I don't see the difference Mar 31 14:36:23 http://www.acceport.com/advanced_search_result.html?keywords=nokia+n900&x=0&y=0 Mar 31 14:37:47 Sorry 'bout that, browser crashed Mar 31 14:40:06 You got the crazy resolutions too when it happened with you? Mar 31 14:40:59 yes, on TV Mar 31 14:41:06 absolutely same Mar 31 14:41:09 What about VNC? Mar 31 14:41:13 never tried Mar 31 14:41:22 What about xrandr? Mar 31 14:42:29 I wasn't very interested in doing anything like that. Look, the device been defect and basically unusable Mar 31 14:42:45 I see Mar 31 14:43:27 aaah, the 40$ item seems to be a real LCD Mar 31 14:47:38 That tail there is the flex? Mar 31 14:53:21 TiagoTiago: http://www.halagsm.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Flex-Cable-Ribbon.1437 Mar 31 14:53:54 the wide greyish-black thing is "the cable" Mar 31 14:54:34 http://www.bestmobileparts.com/china-wholesale-new-camera-flex-cable-ribbon-flat-connector-for-nokia-n900_p1063.html Mar 31 14:54:39 not the golden bit? Mar 31 15:01:05 TiagoTiago: the most part of this flex goes into upper halve of your N900, and has camera, LED, earpiece, mic, ALS, prox, dunno what else Mar 31 15:01:37 the grey part of it comes out of upper halve and has a connector at end Mar 31 15:01:40 those parts don't sound all that flexible... Mar 31 15:04:52 the connector for sure isn't flexible, and that's part of the problem Mar 31 15:05:41 Hm; i would expect the issue was the flexible parts being too brittle or prone to tearing. Mar 31 15:05:51 would've expected* Mar 31 15:13:01 http://www.google.de/search?q=nokia+n900+flex+connector Mar 31 15:13:11 amazing number of sellers Mar 31 15:17:09 HAH! http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/charging-connector/nokia/n900.html USB-receptacle!! Mar 31 15:17:56 UK seller! Mar 31 15:18:07 best prices as well, damn Mar 31 15:18:12 I thought people just soldered those back into place again (at least when they didn't lose it) Mar 31 15:24:18 Stylus €0.80 http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/stylus-pen/nokia/n900.html Mar 31 15:24:28 min order: 5 Mar 31 15:24:31 Anyone able to remove uninstalled app icons that won't get deleted? The error message is "Application does not exist". There is no .desktop file in /usr/share/applications Mar 31 15:25:04 Scifig: there are other locations that have .desktop, as well Mar 31 15:25:53 most notably, /usr/share/applications/hildon Mar 31 15:26:50 This is actually my own application, I don't deploy to hildon folder. Mar 31 15:28:18 :shrug: Mar 31 15:28:53 Sigh. Problems started after PR1.2 Mar 31 15:29:26 * DocScrutinizer suggests exploiting find Mar 31 15:30:21 HD probably does some caching on its own Mar 31 15:31:50 I just realized I am posting a harmattan question on #maemo channel. Haven't been on IRC for a while Mar 31 15:31:53 also check for /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon etc Mar 31 15:32:03 MEH Mar 31 15:32:56 anyway thanks for the live example why we got #harmattan Mar 31 15:34:43 if we hadn'T got #harmattan, this chan would've drowned in a mess of mixing up questions like those when nobody realized they're talking completely different topic Mar 31 15:36:13 "maybe it's related to aegis" "WTF, no aegis on my device!" Mar 31 15:38:05 Hehe. I was here in the initial days when people with N950s started aegis discussions. Not much fun for a core maemo user Mar 31 15:38:17 indeed Mar 31 15:38:51 I don't know if #N9 ever got as busy as #harmattan but I agree #harmattan and #maemo should be separate. Mar 31 15:39:06 the differences between fremantle and harmattan are subtle, but for sure relevant enough so usually any advice from one universe won't help much at the other Mar 31 15:40:03 this is clearly a difference to the situation when N900 fremantle came out, and lots of stuff from diablo times still applied Mar 31 15:42:16 Scifig: #n9 is for end users, as the /topic states Mar 31 15:42:54 while #harmattan is mainly a developer channel Mar 31 15:43:29 Yes, I used to drop into that #N9 channel once in a while. There was never much discussion. So I generally stick to #harmattan and #maemo Mar 31 16:38:07 Hello Mar 31 16:38:23 Can I install mamo on a Samsung Galaxy Note? Mar 31 16:39:00 lolcat: you're no noob on maemo anymore! Mar 31 16:39:14 lolcat: what do you think will be the answer to your question? Mar 31 16:39:18 guess! Mar 31 16:39:40 Yes, but you'll have to write your own drivers? Mar 31 16:39:48 exactly Mar 31 16:40:03 Awesome Mar 31 16:40:17 also you probably won't get any of the blob apps (dialer, contacts, calendar) to run Mar 31 16:40:41 I think I'll buy it then, unless that new phone with meego is for sale Mar 31 16:40:54 and you'll probably miss quite a number of closed middleware, like liblocation and whatnot else Mar 31 16:40:55 The one only for developers with a keyboard Mar 31 16:41:20 Is there no dialer I can hack? Mar 31 16:41:37 so the realistic answer is "No way you ever get a decent maemo like fremantle to run on anything other than N900" Mar 31 16:42:09 That is so evil Mar 31 16:42:39 you got better chances with nemo/ Mar 31 16:42:39 Make best phone ever -> stop producing it -> not let anyone else use it Mar 31 16:42:49 indeed Mar 31 16:43:20 All they had to do to make me buy a N1000 would be to put a decent cpu/gpu and to fix the charger issues Mar 31 16:43:39 The design is perfect Mar 31 16:44:01 it's kinda like if Qt - instead of opening the usage of their framework - had decided to forbid usage on KDE, once *all* of KDE stuff been based on it Mar 31 16:44:52 And we're not enough people to make our own dialer, and liblocation Mar 31 16:45:42 lolcat: basically Nokia suffered from cutdowns in their balance and shareholder value, so they couldn't afford non strictly mainstream projects anymore Mar 31 16:46:13 DocScrutinizer: still, they could have given us the dialer Mar 31 16:46:31 they friggin ought have given us the whole damn lot Mar 31 16:46:49 after all we paid for it Mar 31 16:46:56 Would we be able to port it to newer phones then? Mar 31 16:47:04 yes, likely Mar 31 16:47:18 modulo proper docs of "new phone hardware" Mar 31 16:48:49 (paid for it) even worse, we spent a lot of our unpaid free time into making maemo a success Mar 31 16:49:11 which it finally became, evidently Mar 31 16:49:28 And soon there will be no working N900'eds Mar 31 16:49:56 then Nokia killing it down basically, by not playing nice and opening their rather limited but essential contribution Mar 31 16:50:48 rather they moved to "meego" aka HARM, which evidently is waaaay worse regarding closed parts Mar 31 16:50:59 China makes dialers all the time, does debian make the dialer more complicated? Mar 31 16:51:10 what charger issues :) Mar 31 16:51:16 and again community jumped on the train and contributes, just to get raped after a year or two Mar 31 16:51:36 ShadowJK: If you drop it on the floor in a bar it stops taking charge and you get the money back Mar 31 16:51:56 LOL Mar 31 16:52:12 I miss it though... Mar 31 16:52:39 lolcat: I got me device #3 2 days ago Mar 31 16:52:56 and I'm still looking for #4 Mar 31 16:53:02 Can maemo run in a VM? Mar 31 16:53:10 nope, same issue Mar 31 16:53:26 What is stopping it? Mar 31 16:53:28 best "VM" is scratchbox Mar 31 16:53:44 It won't run in a chroot either? Mar 31 16:54:12 no chroot will give it proper libisi to talk to random cellmo Mar 31 16:54:26 or proper liblocation to talk to GPS Mar 31 16:54:34 etc pp Mar 31 16:55:07 But I can't chroot it from ubuntu Mar 31 16:56:00 lolcat: if you want maemo fremantle, get a N900 Mar 31 16:56:41 I want something that looks like maemo, feels like maemo and is based on debian Mar 31 16:56:51 maybe N900 can run nitdroid, and ubuntu, SHR, and whatnot else - but no android device will run maemo fremantle Mar 31 16:57:05 check out #nemo Mar 31 16:57:16 the new #mer Mar 31 16:57:46 I doubt it ever will reach anywhere, just like mer never really did, but that's your best chance anyway Mar 31 16:57:49 I wonder how (un)successful a crowdsourced enterprise dedicated to delivering the stuff Nokia failed to in these last few years would be... Mar 31 16:58:01 #nemo is empty Mar 31 16:58:07 hmm Mar 31 16:58:16 How much do we need to make maemo? Mar 31 16:58:18 #nemomobile Mar 31 16:58:22 is the right channel Mar 31 16:58:23 Like, debian is already made Mar 31 16:58:44 crowdfunded i mean Mar 31 16:58:52 won't fly Mar 31 16:59:06 for all I learnt about this sorta stuff Mar 31 16:59:26 DocScrutinizer, just saying in Finland we have plenty of N900's http://tinyurl.com/7ngh96s Mar 31 16:59:47 shanttu: Do you have æøå? Mar 31 17:00:26 åäö Mar 31 17:00:37 ShadowJK: Sweedish Mar 31 17:00:43 it says öø on keyboard Mar 31 17:00:46 lolcat,yes åäö Mar 31 17:00:51 and äæ Mar 31 17:01:04 shanttu: thanks. I'm mainly interested in *new* ones now Mar 31 17:01:21 There are new N900? Mar 31 17:01:29 DocScrutinizer, ok. Good luck on hunting Mar 31 17:01:35 indeed Mar 31 17:01:40 And can't we somehow *borrow* the code from Nokia? Mar 31 17:01:47 alas not Mar 31 17:02:49 Probably easier to pay 50k to a Nokia employee than to reinvent the wheel Mar 31 17:03:09 lolcat: it's hard enough (basically impossible) to make a community-only aka ripped maemo work on N900. It's absolutely no option for anti vendor ports to other devices Mar 31 17:03:36 the 50k approach might work Mar 31 17:03:49 if you got 50k spare Mar 31 17:03:51 ;-D Mar 31 17:05:28 Not really, but getting money can't be that hard Mar 31 17:06:18 hehehe, that's what I thought when Openmoko_the_Inc stopped making phones, and we, the OM "community" leftover, planned how to go forward Mar 31 17:07:40 actually now after almost 4 years, we see a valid successor device for OM Freerunner GTA02: www.gta04.org Mar 31 17:08:42 hard to sell 3 digit numbers of devices - chicken and egg problem. Too expensive in low numbers, so no customers to get to high numbers of devices built Mar 31 17:09:46 No keyboard? Mar 31 17:10:29 lolcat: do you think in 4 years anybody would even take notice when you announce "FINALLY we MADE IT: maemo fremantle now without any closed blobs and fully featured, running on errr N900" Mar 31 17:11:40 "we expect porting to any *well documented* contemprary hardware is just a matter of months now, given we can find the developer crowd to form a 50 man team" Mar 31 17:14:30 "future projects: make fremantel multitouch aware" (assuming mt is still fashionable in 4 years from now, maybe we got some completely differend paradigm for UI then) Mar 31 17:19:05 * ShadowJK orders more screen protectors Mar 31 17:19:32 ShadowJK: I tend to order some digitizers Mar 31 17:20:04 they are just 20 bucks at http://www.gultek.eu Mar 31 17:21:19 http://www.gultek.eu/_search.php?page=1&q=nokia+n900 Mar 31 17:21:26 I'm not confident I'd manage to swap them out :P Mar 31 17:21:52 main flex: only 15 bucks Mar 31 17:22:13 LCD 35 Mar 31 17:25:21 I still wonder W*T*F is THIS: http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/digitizer-touchpad/nokia/n900-with-front-cover-complete.html -- look at the frame bezel where it should says "NOKIA", it's NOT supposed to look like that Mar 31 17:25:33 s/should// Mar 31 17:25:34 DocScrutinizer meant: I still wonder W*T*F is THIS: http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/digitizer-touchpad/nokia/n900-with-front-cover-complete.html -- look at the frame bezel where it says "NOKIA", it's NOT supposed to look like that Mar 31 17:28:35 or maybe the photo is just complete crap, and that's not actually some weird frame Mar 31 17:29:49 ShadowJK: swapping the complete digitizer with mounting support should be easy enough Mar 31 17:31:28 The lighting is very bad, and it is quite dusty inside, but if you look carefully it does seem the shapes are all there Mar 31 17:32:58 Imma try pushing the contrast way up and see what shows Mar 31 17:33:31 * DocScrutinizer still is puzzled comparing http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/digitizer-touchpad/nokia/n900-digitizer-with-Ui-frame-and-speaker.html and http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/digitizer-touchpad/nokia/n900-with-front-cover-complete.html Mar 31 17:34:26 seems one comes with (earpiece) speaker, while other one comes with front bezel Mar 31 17:36:16 the LCD for 35 is a real bargain Mar 31 17:36:50 and all from UK, not from HK \o/ Mar 31 17:37:00 regarding the shape of the faceplate itself, it does look like both of them are the same, and pretty similar to the real thing Mar 31 17:37:31 yeah, I probably got fooled by the pretty poor photo Mar 31 17:40:04 * DocScrutinizer is tempted to get two main-flex, two digitizers (one of each flavour), plus one LCD Mar 31 17:40:31 I spend lots of money for more crazy things every day Mar 31 17:41:35 make that 3 digitizers (one of each flavour) :-D Mar 31 17:42:32 this one is only 15 bucks: http://www.gultek.eu/mobile-phone-spare-parts/digitizer-touchpad/nokia/n900.html Mar 31 17:42:52 hardly pricier than a decent protector Mar 31 17:43:42 s/pricier/more pricy/. Mar 31 17:44:38 meybe get me 5 styli as well, for giveaway ;-D Mar 31 17:45:17 ooh, and a sliding unit Mar 31 17:45:21 How much is the shipping and how certain are you that you're gonna receive what you're paying for? Mar 31 17:45:55 no keymats :-< Mar 31 17:46:10 TiagoTiago: it's EU Mar 31 17:46:37 so basically next corner ;-) Mar 31 17:47:46 hell, with Ryan Air I could probably give them a visit to let them now, for less than the order costs Mar 31 17:48:00 know* Mar 31 17:48:41 Or I ask speedevil to do that for me ;-D Mar 31 17:48:47 btw Mar 31 17:48:53 ~seen speedevil Mar 31 17:48:56 speedevil is currently on #harmattan (1d 7h 11m 46s) #edev (1d 7h 11m 46s). Has said a total of 28 messages. Is idling for 16h 4m 37s, last said: 'itsnotabigtruck: My n900 failed in year 1.5'. Mar 31 17:49:53 dang, if even speedevil is abandoning ship, we're doomed Mar 31 17:56:24 Talking about leaving, i'm not feeling well (i heard there is some bug doing the rounds 'round here latelly, probably got it), and i probably should try to catch up on my sleep schedule, i think 'ill be back later today, if not, then tomorrow, cya Mar 31 18:13:20 Hi Mar 31 18:16:25 cya Mar 31 18:22:08 I installed bash3 from the repos Mar 31 18:24:10 ran bash-setup for user and root Mar 31 18:24:10 but my user denies to read my .bashrc Mar 31 18:24:11 while the .bashrc in /root/ is working fine Mar 31 18:30:32 there's some strange messup in that Mar 31 18:31:16 anyway, read man page of bash carefully, it has all the needed info to clear up things IIRC Mar 31 18:31:42 and btw you probably don't want to make bash your default user shell Mar 31 18:32:17 the age old rumour that this may break your boot still wasn't publicly disapproved Mar 31 18:33:30 all that claimed they did it without trouble finally turned out to not *truly* have replaced messybox by bash, for user Mar 31 18:33:46 well I rebooted atleast more than once :P Mar 31 18:34:03 and your user account will come up with bash? Mar 31 18:34:12 Yes ;) Mar 31 18:34:28 it's basically not bash itself but the messybox tools that will break when replaced Mar 31 18:34:32 AFAIK Mar 31 18:34:49 MrPingu: so your bash is in /etc/shells ? Mar 31 18:35:11 and /bin/sh points to bash? Mar 31 18:35:58 there's quite a number of ways to fail one way or the other, to either of both sides Mar 31 18:36:46 but basically it's installing of unix toolbox aka *utils that will finally make your device bootloop Mar 31 18:37:21 1|user@Nokia-N900|~]cat /etc/shells Mar 31 18:37:45 ^^ Mar 31 18:38:20 from man bash: >> --norc Do not read and execute the personal initialization file ~/.bashrc if the shell is interactive. This option is on by default if the shell is invoked as sh. Mar 31 18:39:34 MrPingu: hmm, yeah, no such file here as well Mar 31 18:40:08 toldya there's a bit to learn about shell invocation etc Mar 31 18:40:35 http://www.maemo.org/community/maemo-users/bashrc_not_executed/ Mar 31 18:40:56 Which file you talking about? Mar 31 18:41:15 etc/shells Mar 31 18:41:24 I have it Mar 31 18:43:58 Issue fixed ;) Mar 31 18:45:33 well, I had the issue that even messybox was reading .bash* files Mar 31 18:45:45 which it clearly isn't meant to do Mar 31 18:46:07 was due to the funny fact some fool added this to .profile IIRC Mar 31 18:49:46 Well the danger comes in, when installing GNU core utils and then linking them... Mar 31 18:50:03 what I said above, yeah Mar 31 18:50:34 I solved it by tweaking my $PATH for bash only Mar 31 18:50:46 and not making bash my default shell on user Mar 31 18:50:59 I might want to do that too then Mar 31 18:51:27 that's when I started noticing this messybox scripting bashrc shit, and learned hating it Mar 31 18:51:46 can you change prompt of messybox? Mar 31 18:51:56 I'd guess you can Mar 31 18:52:18 dunno for sure Mar 31 18:52:36 Hmm I am gonna make sh default shell again... Mar 31 18:52:39 first command after login is "bash" for me ;-) Mar 31 18:53:11 and your root is set to bash too? Mar 31 18:53:13 a bit of an inconvenience, but ohmy Mar 31 18:53:39 I have a seperate bash.desktop Mar 31 18:54:03 only no way to start it via shift ctrl x then... Mar 31 18:55:24 I mean, as soon you type root in bash, it exits bash and opens BB root shell =( Mar 31 18:57:32 I heard for root a messybox-free setup is supposed to be safe Mar 31 18:57:43 haven't tested it yet Mar 31 18:57:59 the bootloop fsckup is with user cranking up X Mar 31 19:00:00 DocScrutinizer, how did you tweak $path for bash only then, as messybox reads bashrc files? Mar 31 19:00:25 I'd hope I have documented it at Mar 31 19:00:28 ~jrtools Mar 31 19:00:30 rumour has it, jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Mar 31 19:01:36 Have that page bookmarked alreayd :P Mar 31 19:01:48 hmm, prolly not Mar 31 19:01:57 lemme pick it out for you Mar 31 19:02:23 oh and messybox, does read my .bashrc file Mar 31 19:03:02 I have edited prompt when running "root" Mar 31 19:03:05 # ~/.bashrc: executed by bash(1) for interactive shells. Mar 31 19:03:06 #PATH=/usr/bin/gnu:$PATH Mar 31 19:03:08 PATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.;s.:/usr/sbin:.:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:.") Mar 31 19:03:09 export PATH Mar 31 19:03:56 TY Mar 31 19:04:14 # ~/.profile: executed by Bourne-compatible login shells. Mar 31 19:04:16 PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 Mar 31 19:04:18 export PATH Mar 31 19:04:19 #if [ -f ~/.bashrc -a -n "$BASH" ]; then Mar 31 19:04:21 # . ~/.bashrc Mar 31 19:04:22 #fi Mar 31 19:05:32 are you talking about the /root/ or the /home/user/ one? Mar 31 19:05:41 root this one Mar 31 19:05:59 I rarely use user on device Mar 31 19:06:14 * DocScrutinizer <- fool Mar 31 19:07:52 How did you substitute the user then? XP Mar 31 19:09:17 Still don't like messybox is reading .bash files Mar 31 19:28:06 it's not exactly messybox is reading it, it's some BS in one of the .* scripts that get sourced by messybox Mar 31 19:28:09 IIRC Mar 31 19:28:44 look at the commented out 3 lines of above quote of ~/.profile Mar 31 19:29:09 I guess originally it had only the plain . ~/.bashrc line Mar 31 19:30:13 I actually forgot to document what I did back when Mar 31 19:30:48 so if you could do that now, it for sure would be highly appreciated Mar 31 19:32:49 Well what do you mean by exactly document it? Mar 31 19:33:06 What I did, is just comment out those lines ;) Mar 31 19:36:49 You did add $BASH ? Mar 31 19:49:54 if you say it's not there at your file, then I probably added that part, yes Mar 31 19:50:59 I made a txt with all the differences from original, to uncommented in my version, and your version Mar 31 19:51:24 only .profile Mar 31 19:51:34 .bashrc didn't look at it yet... Mar 31 19:51:53 in bashrc I obviously changed PATH Mar 31 19:52:31 to add gnu utils Mar 31 19:52:32 I don't get why you uncommented that second line Mar 31 19:52:46 which one? Mar 31 19:52:58 #PATH=/usr/bin/gnu:$PATH Mar 31 19:53:14 it's not what I wanted it to be Mar 31 19:53:43 this way it would override e.g. /usr/local/* Mar 31 19:54:16 I prefer /usr/local/(s)bin to override everything else Mar 31 19:55:08 so >> PATH=$(echo $PATH|sed "s.:/usr/bin:.:/usr/bin/gnu:/usr/bin:.;s.:/usr/sbin:.:/usr/sbin/gnu:/usr/sbin:.") << is exactly what I like it to be Mar 31 19:56:59 and I got no friggin idea which fool decided to add . ~/.bashrc to .profile Mar 31 19:59:01 :) Mar 31 19:59:08 http://maps.google.com/?t=8&utm_campaign=8bit&utm_source=yt Mar 31 20:03:22 http://www.mediafire.com/?s954uc6o7wdrld0 Mar 31 20:03:38 Differences between your, default and my files Mar 31 20:09:18 g2g Mar 31 20:09:23 cya! Mar 31 20:17:57 WTF?! 500 pictures downloaded, plus a felt 500 cookies to "esc", plus a popup window, for a download site to allow DOWNLOAD of 1.1k txt file, that even vanishes for "Invalid or Deleted File." notice once this friggin mediafire page finished loading Mar 31 20:18:39 this seriously is worse than even friggin pastebin.com Mar 31 20:19:21 >>It appears you are using an older browser. For a better experience when using MediaFire, we recommend you upgrade your browser.<< BWAHAHAHA Mar 31 20:20:07 oh yeah filehosters that dont just let you use wget... Mar 31 20:20:43 I need no friggin wget nor any filehoster to look at diff between 3 files of <1k each Mar 31 20:21:00 indeed Apr 01 00:36:27 Is there a way to do a backup using the builtin backup system but just from the console, without having access to the GUI? Apr 01 00:44:42 alas not, what an idiocy Apr 01 00:45:09 stopped me from implementing a nice automatic backup scheduled by alarmed Apr 01 00:46:18 btw exactly same shit with notes app, you can't tell it to open a particular file, which very effectively defeated my simple approach to have a icon shortcut to a shopping list on desktop Apr 01 00:46:57 Does the builtin backup proggie does anything special or can all the steps to recreate a valid backup file be performed by a shell script? Apr 01 00:47:26 good question,probably it could, if you knew exactly what it does Apr 01 00:48:15 Is that documented somewhere? Apr 01 00:48:43 I mean, somewhere where the public in general can see online without the need to sign an NDA nor anything such Apr 01 00:48:57 it does stop some services during backup, iirc Apr 01 00:52:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Backup_Application#D-Bus_description_and_methods_of_back-up_application ; in particular: "Method: activate"..."Description: "Used to activate the application with auto-activation". I s that what i'm looking for? Apr 01 00:54:41 prolly not, iirc I looked into it and it still doesn't do unattended backup Apr 01 00:55:26 I.E. it still pops up the GUI and needs attention from user to proceed Apr 01 00:56:20 Why is it called auto-activation if it isn't automated and just another way to start the GUI? Apr 01 00:56:25 but I'd appreciate when you look into it again, to make sure Apr 01 00:58:04 That would be much easier if i had a working screen to see what is going on... Apr 01 01:00:06 aaah Apr 01 01:00:36 >>For backing up, the backup_start and backup_finish D-Bus signals will be emitted on the session bus, indicating to applications that they should not write to disk.<< HAHA I wonder how many apps are aware of and obey those Apr 01 01:01:50 I didn't expect things would go this bad with a simple resolder job performed by someone that does things like that for a living. Obviously i should've backuped anyway, hindsight 20/20... Apr 01 01:04:06 TiagoTiago: >> Method activate Parameters none Returns Empty reply Description Used to activate the application with auto-activation << since that's the only method, and it takes no parameters, I conclude it's how HAM is invoking backup when a OS update is due. This will not result in unattended backup afaik Apr 01 01:04:33 :( Apr 01 01:06:56 TiagoTiago: probably that auto-activate was so that the application manager can start the backup application before a system upgrade Apr 01 01:07:21 Btw, do you know of a way i can copy everything from a N900 to a Windows machine i such a way that all the file properties, symlinks etc will be restored properly when copying back to the N900? Apr 01 01:07:28 in such* Apr 01 01:11:11 perhaps you have to use tar for that... or use some backup server that can store stuff like that in some kind of database... Apr 01 01:15:11 you could use tar and netcat to transfer Apr 01 01:15:50 Can the tar be created already on the Widnows machine? I'm not sure i got enough free space on the N900... Apr 01 01:16:40 you can send on the fly Apr 01 01:18:09 yes... basically, tar to stdout, then send stdout through netcat or ssh or whatever to something on the windows machine Apr 01 01:19:15 exactly argumet for f option is "-" Apr 01 01:19:17 but the tar command must run on the n900, of course... on the windows machine it's too late Apr 01 01:20:36 on windows you need to run only netcat server Apr 01 01:20:56 netcat? Apr 01 01:20:59 ssh! Apr 01 01:21:34 why not netcat? Apr 01 01:21:53 why netcat? Apr 01 01:22:09 netcat doesn't crypt and so is faster Apr 01 01:22:54 you have slow cpu on n900 Apr 01 01:24:17 umm Apr 01 01:24:59 if you are in a trusted lan of course Apr 01 01:25:24 and if you got the nerves to set up netcat on *both* ends Apr 01 01:25:51 It's not more difficult than set ssh Apr 01 01:26:12 I'd expect it to be easier to make a netcat server than a ssh server on windows Apr 01 01:26:20 while a ssh N900 tar -foobar >this/is/on/local/PC/backup.tgz is painless to set up Apr 01 01:26:34 damiano: mhm, is it? Apr 01 01:27:21 ohwell, windows, NFC Apr 01 01:27:39 is *anything* simple on windows? except losing your mind Apr 01 01:27:41 What's NFC? Apr 01 01:27:47 ~nfc Apr 01 01:27:48 from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue, or near field communications Apr 01 01:27:56 thanx Apr 01 01:28:00 we talk about transfer to windowss machine Apr 01 01:28:24 there are lots of things simpler on Windows, specially if you're familiar with it; but i guess the same could be said about Linux Apr 01 01:29:41 I don't understand the problem Apr 01 01:29:42 I suppose it would work to do a "ssh n900 tar > ..." from windows if you're using something like cygwin there Apr 01 01:31:58 I guess it could even work in dosbox Apr 01 01:31:58 but for most windows gui ssh clients it would be a no go Apr 01 01:33:02 no idea if there's a cmdline ssh client for dosbox though Apr 01 01:33:06 There should be a ssh server for windows Apr 01 01:33:33 I think Apr 01 01:33:34 I refuse to discuss windows stuff :-D Apr 01 01:33:47 I think one comes with cygwin Apr 01 01:34:05 I'm not a windows user so I'm not sure Apr 01 01:34:07 I'm cursed to use windows on my daywork, and I'm happy I found cygwin lately Apr 01 01:34:10 http://www.fs-driver.org/ <- seems promising Apr 01 01:35:42 TiagoTiago: that's not going to help you, it requires you to have an ext2 partition on the windows machine, *and* it still can't handle attributes and symlinks Apr 01 01:35:54 oh, damn :( Apr 01 01:36:30 * DocScrutinizer suggests to crank up a linux in a VM and use rsync Apr 01 01:36:30 it's useful only for a dual boot system to allow the windows to access the linux files, I use it on my laptop Apr 01 01:36:50 yeah, a vm could work Apr 01 01:37:17 for tested rsync invocation see: Apr 01 01:37:18 you don't need it furthermore Apr 01 01:37:21 ~jrtools Apr 01 01:37:22 it has been said that jrtools is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Apr 01 01:39:17 but honestly if you already can log in to device via ssh, why not simply copy everything to either uSD right away, or to MyDocs and from there via mass-storage-mode Apr 01 01:40:57 aaah mass storage no option, when USB broken Apr 01 01:41:07 so you still got uSD Apr 01 01:42:02 btw if you opt for tar, do NOT use compression! Apr 01 01:42:23 it *really* will slow down things to a grinding halt Apr 01 01:43:14 (while encryption in shh is no major issue, at least here) Apr 01 01:43:15 Do you happen to know of a free SSH enabled FTP client with decent download resuming capabilities, that does store the linux file system metadata in a manner that can be reapplied when uploading? Apr 01 01:43:35 I mean, one that rusn on Windows Apr 01 01:44:04 no way to make ftp store metadata on a fs that'S not compatible Apr 01 01:44:27 Also being able to throttle the download speed from within the program to keep the N900 from crashing from the intense disk activity would be great Apr 01 01:44:37 not sure ftp even supports transferring attributes Apr 01 01:44:51 neither Apr 01 01:45:08 i don't mean store it the way Linux does, but perhaps using it's own format in a parallel database, and then reapplying that metadata when uploading Apr 01 01:45:12 TiagoTiago: no crashing will happen Apr 01 01:45:18 it has for me Apr 01 01:45:24 not on reading Apr 01 01:45:50 intense disk activity freezes the system enough that some watchdog or whatever kills essential system process and forces a reboot Apr 01 01:45:58 might be an issue when copying on device from eMMC to uSD Apr 01 01:46:17 meh, never happened here Apr 01 01:46:42 only thing that could cause this is swap hell Apr 01 01:46:56 on reading you'll not see any swap hell I'd guess Apr 01 01:47:11 The way shit's been falling apart i probably got some aged unit from the store or somthing Apr 01 01:47:34 unlikely the cause of any of your problems Apr 01 01:49:14 such reboots have happened to me, but that was when doing lots of crap to big loopback-mounted filesystem (stored on eMMC), with lots of swapping thrown in Apr 01 01:50:55 I don't think just reading the filesystem would do it Apr 01 01:51:21 My screen looks like it has been thru a micrometeorite shower in a couple patches, the keys are loosing the paint on the inside (or at least looks that way), the USB and flex seems to have failed much sooner; battery life always sucked big time, freezes from disk activity have been common from the start, and even the lowest ranges of OC most people consider safe are dangerous to try; i... Apr 01 01:51:22 ...don't think the unit i got was one of the best individuals of the species Apr 01 01:53:33 (not the expression i was going for, but i can't remember the exact words right now) Apr 01 02:05:28 well, you started with OC which is a warranty for problems by its own as well as you doing other silly thinsg as well. Don't blame device for that Apr 01 02:05:56 If you're OCing, you'd better be tweaking the voltages to your device. If you expect it to work right, anyway. Apr 01 02:06:19 Using a stock OC profile, is, well, asking for trouble. On top of the other potential OC issues. Apr 01 02:06:30 you better don't even think about OC unless you have a *very* clearly defined need for it Apr 01 02:07:05 Or, just remember that it could kill your phone and be OK with that. Apr 01 02:07:26 you as well shouldn't ponder using any random widget or app you run into, just because it sounds 17337 Apr 01 02:07:45 nope Apr 01 02:08:08 it's always those who OC for no good reason that complain the most about crappy hardware Apr 01 02:08:33 don't you think there's a more than random correlation? Apr 01 02:08:40 In the end i couldn't get it to perform any less crapy, and it was never really stable, i didn't leave it OC'd Apr 01 02:08:57 I dunno; I've had two random N900s that have OC'd perfectly nicely; no crashes. I'd say it's more because such people can't follow instructions right... Apr 01 02:09:25 It would get hotter with just plain charging or installing an update anyway, so i don't think that would explain the issues with the keys and the screen surface Apr 01 02:09:32 you never tried with stock setup. instead you complained about performance (caused by crap you installed or did to device) and tried to fix it by adding more crap on top Apr 01 02:10:00 it was crappy with stock material already Apr 01 02:10:16 pff Apr 01 02:10:47 then your metrics are different than mine, and N900 definitely not the device for you Apr 01 02:10:55 get an iphone! Apr 01 02:11:16 Like i said, it's not the model, it's this unit in specific Apr 01 02:11:31 when it was crappy with stock settings already, then WTF did you get it first instance? Apr 01 02:12:11 BS Apr 01 02:12:30 Wwell, to be fair, stock settings were pretty bad Apr 01 02:12:34 The N900 is great, i just got unlucky. Apr 01 02:12:39 there are no units with crappy performance Apr 01 02:13:28 brb Apr 01 02:13:29 this is not a cake that's different each time Apr 01 02:13:45 I can't oc with smartreflex Apr 01 02:13:51 OMG Apr 01 02:14:32 * DocScrutinizer deletes the answer Apr 01 02:14:35 my n900 become unstable Apr 01 02:14:48 OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG Apr 01 02:14:59 smartreflex is not usable. Period. Apr 01 02:15:11 mine even doesn't run at all - when battery empty Apr 01 02:15:42 is it usual? Apr 01 02:15:49 * DocScrutinizer suspects april's fool trolling at its best Apr 01 02:17:01 if I remove smartreflex I can reach 1150 without problems but heat and battery Apr 01 02:17:18 is it usual my car doesn't run on gasoil when it's a gasoline type? it doesn't work on gasoil even when I cut up all the tires Apr 01 02:17:45 ? Apr 01 02:17:59 He's being sarcastic. DocS doesn't like OC Apr 01 02:18:09 Dunno, perhaps the luggage handlers threw the bag a bit, or the Sun might've been particularly active during that flight; or simply i i got unlucky and Nokia had a bad batch of components when they were building my unit ('ive seen that happen with other eletronic devices) Apr 01 02:18:09 ah ok Apr 01 02:18:59 TiagoTiago: so what? this causing watchdog to kick in on lots of reads?? BWAHAHA Apr 01 02:19:58 bad components make things FAIL, not going "crappy performance" Apr 01 02:20:18 usually Apr 01 02:20:24 do you think there is a chance to see maemo on new smartphone in the future? Apr 01 02:20:32 Bad storage media gradually corrupting one or two bits here and there, bad conduits making some actions run a tad slower etc Apr 01 02:20:32 no Apr 01 02:20:42 That being said, ECC(and related technology) is designed to mitigate borderline random issues... Apr 01 02:20:53 TiagoTiago: that's nonsense Apr 01 02:21:09 I like maemo I think tizen won't be same thing Apr 01 02:21:16 robbiethe1st: doesn't the performance get degraded a bit when those things spot a mistake? Apr 01 02:21:17 a borderline OC'd device can create 'random' issues as one or another borderline voltage just barely turns on a transistor Apr 01 02:21:22 tizen already dead Apr 01 02:21:24 Yes. Apr 01 02:21:53 robbiethe1st: that's analog Apr 01 02:22:03 this however is a mainly digital device Apr 01 02:22:03 but it isn't born yet... Apr 01 02:22:16 And a digital device doesn't have those issues? Suuure. Apr 01 02:22:36 When a CPU's being run at borderline voltages already... which is done to reduce power usage.. Apr 01 02:22:39 Digital is just a less smooth analog Apr 01 02:22:48 it won't see gradual decay of performance on those issues. It simply starts to fail completely Apr 01 02:23:00 TiagoTiago: again BS Apr 01 02:23:04 for this topic Apr 01 02:23:05 That's true Apr 01 02:24:02 there's no such thing as slow bits Apr 01 02:24:11 Even TI says smartreflex is broken and unusable now Apr 01 02:24:58 Didn't a loose cable ''cause scientists to think neutrinos might had been moving faster than the speed of light due to the delays 'caused by the bad connection? Apr 01 02:25:22 yes here in Italy Apr 01 02:25:25 Yes. Apr 01 02:25:28 :-) Apr 01 02:25:38 And timing can screw up just about anything Apr 01 02:25:39 well, let alone the delay in the reporter's nerve signal propagation Apr 01 02:26:42 'caused* Apr 01 02:26:51 caused* Apr 01 02:27:24 I recently found a blob of neutrinos between two of the ALU gates in my SoC. Cleaned it out and guess what - my device is twice as fast now Apr 01 02:27:56 Their high speed were probably causing some time dilatation effects... Apr 01 02:28:50 I have a problem with missed calls and I don't know what to do... don't appear in the log Apr 01 02:29:17 * DocScrutinizer yawns Apr 01 02:29:21 That, or the time paradoxes were wrecking havoc with the error correction stuff Apr 01 02:30:32 listen buddy, there's no error correction anywhere except storage. on read it won't delay things, on write it only will delay *once* then block is marked bad and not used anymore Apr 01 02:31:48 when I receive a call and I don't see it no sign remains of it Apr 01 02:32:10 quite usually (in 99.9999% of cases) an error in digital domain simply causes a segfault or a wrong behaviour of a program, never a delay though Apr 01 02:32:40 when you receive a call and you don't see it then you're not receiving a call Apr 01 02:33:09 I didn't notice I mean Apr 01 02:33:13 Perhaps the filesystem is readonly and it can't log new calls? Apr 01 02:33:23 if however you mean your missed calls are ringing but not logged then I suggest you clean your eventsdb Apr 01 02:33:35 it's known to get corrupt eventually Apr 01 02:33:44 occasionally rather Apr 01 02:34:44 esp since with corrupt eventsdb you also might miss SMS afaik Apr 01 02:34:59 filesystem is rw Apr 01 02:35:14 * DocScrutinizer yawns louder Apr 01 02:35:25 do I need to remove it? Apr 01 02:35:50 there's a couple of threads in tmo that describe how to fix the corruption Apr 01 02:36:20 or you simply delete the whole db and hope for it getting recreated on next usage Apr 01 02:36:32 might or might not work Apr 01 02:37:06 maybe it even helps to delete all those old conversations Apr 01 02:38:07 or you go fancy and use sqlite cli to purge the whole db table Apr 01 02:39:01 I don't find those threads... Apr 01 02:40:16 ohi ohi Apr 01 02:40:30 without checking I think http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1182569&postcount=369 is what you search Apr 01 02:42:55 I'll try to remove db Apr 01 02:43:26 ithout warranty Apr 01 02:43:35 you might end reflashing Apr 01 02:44:19 or simply restoring prev state via backupmenu (haven't thanked robbiethe1st today for it yet) Apr 01 02:56:49 no it doesn't resolve Apr 01 02:58:43 if I refuse call then it is reported in the log with a green arrow like received ones **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 01 02:59:58 2012